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Endures edition

>Thinning your paints:
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>Texas Cafe:
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>FAQs, Errata, and Designer Commentary:
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40k is fun!
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>>57962543
Take that optimism and go fuck yourself with it
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first for playing custodes means no one can accuse me of being a waacfag
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>>57962543
You right my guy. The best part is it can be fun for different people for different reasons.
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What are the preliminary opinions on the Forgeworld stuff balance?
Only thing I'm really disappointed with is the Arachnus, but for some reason multi-profile weapons being garbage seems to be a GW/FW thing.

>>57962557
Instead, you are fabulous
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Remember to report Carnac and shitposting
Is not like I does anything, but at least you are not responding to bait
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>>57962551
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>>57962564
>You right my guy. The best part is it can be fun for different people for different reasons.
STOP SPEAKING COMPLETE SENSE IN 40 KILOS REEEEE
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>>57962557
I assume anyone that does not play pure GSC or pure SoB is a waacfag and/or caacfag Just to be sure
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Having trouble on picking arms for my dread, what do you guys think?
Option 1/5
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CAACfags are subhumans.
Purposely designing your army to be weak and based around a fictional standard isn't cool or interesting.

Remove yourself from this hobby because no one will miss you.
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>>57962604
Option 2/5
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>>57962596
I was thinking about playing pure GSC...are they that bad?
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>>57962596
Your mistake, my pure SoB army is WAAC as fuck!
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>>57962569
Cyraxus should be soon now, for real.
FW said they were waiting for Codices AM, SM and T'au to be done so they could finalize things based off that. Probably because GW is keeping them on a tighter leash.
Codex Tau is soon, and FW Custodes stuff is liking being lumped into Cyraxus too. That won't delay things massively but probably push Cyraxus out sooner.
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>>57962604
>>57962620
why is your redemptor stretching for a long jog, anon?
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>>57962620
Option 3/5
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>>57962596
Pure SoB are a competitive army.
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>>57962628
Wait for their codex and we'll see.

Everything that made them good in 7th is what would now be represented with strats.

Their index army is worst then most, but there's still hope.
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>>57962633
Option 4/5

>>57962631
Gotta warm up before all that war
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Does anyone know if there is a site that sells these? I'm desperate and forge world no longer makes them for some stupid fucking reason.
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>>57962523

>bored
>on Snapchat
>open map, start watching stories around where I am
>"Hey where's warhammer world, maybe I'll see some cool models or even games"
>Find warhammer world
>Literally no snaps in a half mile radius
>"Wait, why is nobody in warhammer world using social media?"
>Think about it for a second
>Can't believe I expected anything different
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>>57962629
Shhhh do not tell the secret.

Before the CA I was destroying idiots with my 5 Repressor and melta Dominions it was glorious
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>>57962656
Option 5/5, sorry for all the spam
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>>57962656
>>57962633
>>57962620
The rock is waay to big his knee is above his hip and looks so so so awkward
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> mfw myphitic blight-haulers are still out of stock and the only place to get them is on ebay for almost double the cost
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>>57962662
>maybe if I post this story about "nerds amirite" people on this nerds-amirite website will think I'm cool
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>>57962611
Don't listen to him caacfriends, I'll miss you, and then I'll be surrounded by funsucking waac idiots.
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>>57962698
there's a primed tentacle monster for Tsons that's bidding a t over $100 right now

Shit's hilarious, kinda want to sell mine
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>>57962611
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>>57962699
Or you can just not have a sense of humour too I guess
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>Unironically insulting someone for making a fluffy army
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>>57962662
Why on earth would people Snap stuff there anyway? Snapchat's userbase is younger than wargaming audiences
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>>57962734
>your "nerds amirite" story
>funny
Yeah nah you're just underage
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Getting into 8th edition finally. Have to say, I'm really liking it so far after a few matches. Games are faster and much more simple. The AP change is also something I've been crying out for a long time.

I can understand where a few people are coming from when saying that the game's a bit more bland though. I found myself comparing Tau Pirahnas and Crisis suits the other day, whilst before they were much more distinct. But I do want to add that it seems more units are viable than before, so more chance to see units that were completely absent for several editions.
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>when you want to post progress but your phone camera's a potato
I've been doing a test paint for my landsknecht marines, and he's almost done. I still haven't thought of a chapter logo for them, though, and that's pretty much informed by their name, but I have no idea what to call them.
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>>57962748
>didn't write the fluff
>unironically thinking fluffy army is a good thing
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>>57962611
WAHHHHH NOBODY WILL PLAY AGAINST MY FAGGY ARMY!!
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>>57962668
:^) I'm still rocking the doms in repressors
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>>57962788
>thinking Ynnari/Dark Reaper armies are a good thing
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>>57962770
>>57962751
My second mistake was clearly expecting anyone else here to be socially inclined enough to use social media
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Is it a better idea to paint your minis in pieces before assembly? Im working on a triarch stalker soon and it seems like theres lot of overlapping parts and nooks and crannies.
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>>57962596
What does GSC even mean.
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>>57962813
Congrats! What exactly is so good about a Repressor though?
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>>57962696
yeahhh... I was a bit worried about that. It looks that bad huh?
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>>57962822
And your third was inadvertently revealing you are new. I wonder what your fourth will be.
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Is there any way to make regular CSM decent?
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>>57962846
that ur a fagit lol
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>>57962835
Genestealer Cults newfriend. Lurk moar.
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>>57962840
You can fire meltas without leaving t3 3+ girls on the board
Plus a pregame 12"+d6 move is tight from the dom's transferring to the tank
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>>57962835
Great Scottish Cantaloupe
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>>57962859
Well shit, that's pretty hot. Thanks anon!
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>>57962813
I haven’t play a tournament again after CA
My old 5 Repressor list does not fit in the 2k
Maybe a 4 Repressor Dominions could still work

>>57962840
It’s the meltagun wielding Dominions and Repressor combo.
Basically turn 1 melta range with 2-5 units that is 10 to 25 meltas
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>>57962833
It takes longer but (usually) looks better, pretty much just use your initiative for these things since there's no point in painting rank and file infantrymen piecewise
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>>57962853
lol haha XD
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>>57962794
Not that guy but I never have an issue getting games with my tournament style lists.
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How do Dark Eldar play this edition ?? I absolutely adore their miniature range and have my whole cabals lore thought out but i cannot decide whether they worth playing.
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>>57962844
nah its fine, play around with the arm poses to get something dynamic going
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>>57962846
Wasting time replying to you.

I've been here since 2009.

Anyway from now on I promise I'll make sure not to mistakenly prod your insecurities by casually mentioning apps you need at least 1 friend to get any use out of. Back to 40k.
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>>57962851
40 cultists infiltrating is pretty decent
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>>57962877
And I sometimes play mario kart with my autistic cousin. Sympathy games. Nobody likes a tryhard. You wanna try hard at a tourney? Fine. But if you're gonna be a tryhard on just a casual game? Then you're a fag and I'll call you out infront of everyone for being a fag.
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>>57962867
Same, and it made my taurox primes not worth it any more so I'm looking for efficient and fast anti-infantry still.
Obviously this list isn't super efficient but I didn't want to try too hard while hungover.

Played dark reaper aeldari round1+2, won 19-1 and 12-8 (ETC scoring)

Not taking HB rets again, pure trash. The HF rets in repressors were actually decent though.
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>>57962822
>You guys not Snapping plastic dolls is bad
You're stupid.
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>>57962905
Only newfags would care about being called newfags.
Lurk moar
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>>57962370
Man, I do not look forward to inevitably buying two or three Plagueburst Crawlers. Tanks just aren't me. I wish the Haulers were more viable.
Can't I just spam drones?
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Am I a dick for bringing a LOW to a 30pl game?
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>>57962905
I'll be sure to keep an eye out for yet more of your titillating tales that regale us on the heretofore unfathomed idiosyncrasies of the strange folk that comprise the "nerd" subculture. I'll definitely learn a great deal following your experiences!
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>>57962964
Depends
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>>57962851
paint them pink and call them noise marines
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>>57962940
I always inform people of what my list is and what type of list is before I play games. We've got a good group of guys in my store who shift gears between the various levels of the hobby so everyone can get in games that they enjoy. That said you've got a pretty shitball attitude.
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>>57962892
Thanks, I don't suppose you have any reccomendations? those poses I posted were the best I could get so far.
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>>57962851
Actual marines or the CSM book?
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>>57962942
Heavy Bolter Retribution basically need the extra AoF and Canoness, to even function

Also clever use of the HF and Fire Points in the Repressors. I was toying around with the same idea but for Dominions.
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>>57962970
30PL of Tau allied with 30PL of Blood Angels
vs
30PL Nids and 30PL of Orks

I want to take a stormsurge, a fireblade, and 12 drones. I believe that nids player is bringing a Tervigon for gauntspam.
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>>57962557
Playing custard lose cous custard
Win with custards I'm gud
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>>57962964
Yes
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>>57962633
My fave pose
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>>57963013
Stormsurges are pretty shit, so I'd say nah you're good
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>>57962942
>Blade of Admonition, Chainsword, Inferno pistol

Yeah, I don't think you can take all 3.
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>>57963013
Honestly i would not be that mad myself but the best thing to make sure everyone is happy is to inform them beforehand.
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Post games you miserable excuses for human beings.
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>>57963031
you just know the tervigonfag is gonna go "NOOOOOO THAT ISN'T FAIR REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
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>>57963009
Yeah, hopefully there's a better way once we get proper stratagems to throw acts of faith around.
I'd be taking some guard or something for infantry killing instead, just in ETC you can't ally in anything without being considered as 'Imperium' rather than AS (unlike ITC where it's just majority)
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>>57962868
>no point in painting rank and file infantrymen piecewise
>AdMech.jif
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>>57963037
Well that just means you have another person to add to your list of fags to never play with again
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>>57962685
Option 3 or 4 friendo
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>>57963030
Yeah I fucked that up, no chainsword and I took off 2 SBs from Rets since I didnt write the power sword to replace with the blade on the list. Told TO at beginning of the day and it was fine, he hadn't even noticed.
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>>57963030
This is correct, you can only get 2.
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>>57962885
wait for codex imo
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>>57963034
But I don't play
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is it too much to ask for a quad HB turret for a predator
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>>57962656
this one because of how you fucking posed it.
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>>57963043
Well BS with SB is not bad. You could remove the Heavy Bolters Rets and throw some BS with the HF Rets. Even add some Immolators they are not bad antihord all things consider.
Bonus point for scrapping some wounds from flyers
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>>57962942
>Not taking HB rets again, pure trash

I've had pretty good luck with them against my friend, but he plays Orks so that might effect it.

Still, with the Martyrdom strat it's pretty cool to out-of-turn avenge each character's death with 12 S5 Ap-1 shots.
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>>57963031
This'll only be my third game, somehow I know the most about the game. The other three don't really know much about the meta. QT orkplayer and I agreed to be on opposite teams because nidsbro and BAbro don't really know their own rules and actually need help.

>>57963037
He's not /that/ blatant but he does believe that when one of us rolls 6s on overwatch that god hates him and pretty much every wound he takes is some sort of bullshit, and he tends to throw tantrums around 3rd or 4th turn if one unit of his "underperforms."
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>>57963034
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>>57962885
They're not in a wonderful spot right now but the good news is they're getting a book soon so we'll see what that brings.
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>>57962523
Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download.
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>>57963095
HB Rets only work versus Index armies at this point.
Everyone and their mothers has a a way to pretty much ignore them.
That said 15 points Dialogus are hillerious for Stratagem galore.

Either they avoid overwatch to not kill her and get stuck in melee or she dies in melee. Either way it is a win, you get a AoF or stuck a unit in melee for 15 points
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>>57963109
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>>57963076
Just use this instead
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>>57963152
>dreadbash
cool
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>>57962885
They are better than they were in 7th, simply because every army performs a little closer to one another in 8th.
Their codex is among the next three announced, and according to some is the next one, though I've heard that GW facebook has said some shit like, "We never said they were next." Pre-announce rumors were Tau, crons, and then Deldar, so whatever.
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>>57963093
BSS with SB still aren't as good as doms just because of the pre-game move sadly; I tried immos but Repressors just outclass them constantly. 5doms with SB is 60pts, means your repressors are getting 32 s4 shots under 12", which they will be with the pregame move.
>>57963095
How many characters are you running? giving up a kill point and a CP for just one act of faith is pretty bad in most situations
>>57963069
aye, explained here >>57963066
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>>57962964

Yea.
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>>57963144
>Dialogus

Is there a good alternative model for this? I like buying 1st party (even for Sisters) but this model is just the worst fucking thing I've ever seen. It's the only model my SoB army lacks and now thanks to this strat I finally want some.
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>>57963105
he sounds like a faggot but at least he's not like this dude i played against
>guy sends warlord forward
>does psychic and shooting shit
>decides against using stratagem to allow warlord to retreat
>wondering why since his warlord is closest model now (even question this, he says nah it's fine)
>my turn
>move a couple of units into position
>carefully measuring to make sure the other nearby units of his aren't just slightly in range
>he even helps me measure
>everything is ready
>start shooting
>get some serious wounds
>he has FNP trait
>roll for damage
>13 wounds on a model with 6
>he goes "oh but we should measure again because he's higher meaning if you measure from your base then straight up, he's actually 15 inches away and this model is only 12 inches away"
>tell him to fuck off because he knew exactly what I was doing and even helped me
>"b-but"
>tell him to fuck off again and that the rules don't say to measure from ground level then directly up, nice try etc
God
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>>57963173
I think tau first. GW recently started saying "real soon" to Tau codex questions.
They do get things wrong but...
Starting a few days ago with regards to Custodes questions they started answering "news very soon", and what did we get today.
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So with the Custodes faq being out - that pretty much dashes hope that the Venerable Land Raider will get Aegis of the Emporer, right?
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reminder that the only good dread is a painted dread
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>>57963208
honestly, don't bother. any good player just kills all of them in one phase and you've given away a bunch of kill points for nothing.
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>>57963178
Well I’m still trying to find the sweet spot for Melta Dominions and Repressor after CA. A-F in Immolator sound good in theory, but I might just run Rhinos
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>>57962885
Fairly similar to before. They go fast, weapons are cheap and can be taken on multiple platforms, and they fold like a wet paper bag (but nowhere near as bad as last edition). Darklances are great, flyers are great, poison is a little sub-par against hordes so you need a plan B for if you come up against 90 Ork boyz.

Most people like to play speed-tag with the transports, which works best if you can take on half their army with all of yours. The CA stratagem is great for dropping in humongous infantry squads as an answer to hordes or to take ground (and you should have CP to spare given how cheap troops are).

While you wait for the codex you can never go wrong with Kabalite warriors in transports, Incubi and Ravagers. Those units are almost guaranteed to be good.
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>>57963222
Who cares. We get FW tanks.

>>57963217
What was the model?
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>>57963208
You basically just get one and stick her in any transport with space.
Due to >>57963227 it is a fun gimmick at best for trolling
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>>57963222
Yep
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>>57963178
>How many characters are you running? giving up a kill point and a CP for just one act of faith is pretty bad in most situations

I have Imagifiers with my Ret squads, so when one dies the other ret squads get to revenge. There's currently not much else worth using CP on anyway besides the standard re-reolls.

But as suggested by >>57963144 I could start spamming Dialogus
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>>57963217
Only time I measure like that is for charging a non-fly model. But for everything else, you measure on the hypotenuse.
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>>57963152

>Dreadnought list
I want to see more armies like this.
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>>57963242
arco-flagellants? I ran 8 in a rhino with priest+canoness at Heat 1, and they carried a bunch of games; but everyone in Yorkshire has gotten wise to it so they can't ever do work any more.

I think repressors are still amazing, but don't need to solely be filled with meltas. 3-4 is probably the sweet spot, the meta is going further towards infantry and less big guys (barring the 7 hive tyrant lists tearing up the UK)
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>>57963261
Eldar Farseer or something.
>>57963274
Precisely.
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>>57963227
I don't usually play kill points so that's less of a concern for me I guess.
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>>57963283
My local meta is a mess they are trying to waacfag with online list. Resulting in this abomination of meta constantly shifting with no clear indication.

So I need the 3-5 Melta teams and 2-4 anti horde every time due to the psicotic meta I have
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>>57963262
Just one is probably fine.
>>57963265
CP for rerolls is the best, and interrupting with celestine. You'll never have much cp anyway since troops are dead weight for sisters.
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>>57963283
Arco-flagellants are fucking awesome in 8th. Which makes me happy because I think they're really cool lore wise.
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Would Admech combo well with Sisters of Silence lorewise? Skitarii on Canticle highs or Techpriests a few miles away probably don't give a damn about the whole soulless aura thing, and the main weakness of Admech is warp bullshit. In Emperor's Legion there's a bit about the Sisters reducing combat to purely physical slugfests, and although Custodes are good at choppy there's pretty much nobody who's not a Necron that can beat the Admech at demolishing puny material targets when they break out legions of technological horrors designed for exactly that kind of straight fight.
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>>57963333
Mate, I play all those netlists every week - in the last week I've played Dark Reaper aeldari lists (won LVO), 7 tyrants (won cally), gullibacks (the guy refuses to admit it's bad now), Plaguecrawler(?) spam with DG, IG based Imp Soup with BA smash captain, celestine etc.
4 melta teams is plenty. Don't forget you'll have another 4 meltas in your seraphim squad too.
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>FLG and pro tester Reece playtest 8th
>FLG can't sell Forgeworld products
>GW models make up the game breaking lists while the FW stuff gets nerfed even if it sucks

my neurons are stimulated
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>>57963340
3 min sized sisters with triple Storm Bolters isn't terrible as far as cheap troops go, but they are still pretty lackluster and there are usually better places to spend your points.
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>>57962523
Reset the clock.
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>>57963371
As long as the topic of religion doesn't come up, sure.
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>>57963381
Did you forget about the 5 months of alphabet bird being 700 points?
FW is *balanced* mainly now, the problem is that internal codex balance is fucked. when playtesting for 8th they only got to playtest with patrol/batallion etc, rather than all the interesting detachments.
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>>57963371
Lorewise SoS have been ostracized and forgotten about for a long time. Until now. The current 40k state.
So really, you could do whatever.

Random Admech having SoS allies because they find them useful and fascinating
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>>57963417
>Only got to playtest patrol/battalion
Source please? I don't not believe you, but that sounds 100% fucking retarded.
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>>57963437
Playtesters telling me at tournaments. This was for preliminary 8th release, probably not happening now.
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Rate my list, playing Iron Hands and I love tanks and heavy armor. In a not too competitive scene, but don't want to get demolished

HQ - Gravis Captain & Primaris Apoc

Troops - 4 x 5 man Intercessor squads, each with a grenade launcher and power sword

Transports - 3 x repulsors with the heavy gattling cannon and twin lascannon

Heavy Support - 3 x predators with autocannon and heavy bolter sponsons

Elites - 1 primaris apocathary

Flyers - 1 Stormtalon Gunship with assault cannon and typhoon missile launcher
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>>57963457
>Playtesters telling me at tournaments
>My Uncle works at GW
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>>57963139
>Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download.
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>>57963477
you should pack some extra lascannons weapons
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>>57963493
Fair point. Don't have to believe it if you don't want to, just what I had been told.
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>>57963457
I sure fucking hope not. Does this mean, that all of the Index armies weren't fully playtested?
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>>57963208
Just replace the head
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>>57963518
Think about the lists that were broken for the release of 8th. all of them depended on the janky detachments like supreme command, that couldn't be accounted for with that kind of playtesting.
GW probably didnt want to give more info about 8th to people that were more likely to leak it.
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>>57963518
>Does this mean, that all of the Index armies weren't fully playtested?
After the conscript/greentide spam are you honestly shocked?
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which army us best or most fitting for someone with no friends at all and has never known love or intimacy?
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>>57963555
Dark Eldar
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>>57963555
Knights
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>>57963555
Krieg
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>>57963555
all of them
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>>57963220
How much you bet they will make our codex utter shit. I've been calling it for ages. Nu GW has a huge hate boner for Tau.
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>>57963555
tyranids
>don't fuck
>don't create social bonds or establish mutually-beneficial connections with others
>no emotions at all
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>>57963567
>>57963565
>>57963564
>>57963558
All good choices
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>>57963570
Apparently Riptides get a big buff.
Honestly, Tau tears are delicious
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Mark Wright's LVO blood angel list costs roughly $500 at GW retail, for just under 2000 points. 2k of custodes costs around that much too.


Are there any armies that differ substantially from this average cost?
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>>57963407
FOC WHEN
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>>57963581
now that everyone has gone and bought a stormsurge and sold their shittides on fleabay they're back in business

it's gonna be hilarious when Hector Gomez and Joao Madeira et all start complaining that they sold all their pro painted stock and now have to buy and pro paint more.
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>>57963604
never
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>>57963582
Any horde army
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>>57963582
Krieg
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>>57963582
imperial guard.
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Which pairs with an infantry guard list best, Deathwing, Ravenwing, or greenwing?
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If taller decorative bases are legal, why aren't shorter bases?
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>>57963582
it depends heavily on your list. In prior editions ork trukks were about 3 dollars per 1 point, though they are more points now. Guardsmen have pretty low points per dollar but I am not sure they are the lowest.
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>>57963582
My Chaos army is I think closer to 800-900 USD.
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>>57963581
Good joke. GW fucking the Tau intentionally. Someone has seen the leaked codex and said its shit. Like so bad he had to get drunk off his ass bad and then GW silenced him from saying anything else.

Watch all the new lore in both the codex and the new damocles be us getting utterly fucking curbed stomped and being wiped out or basically effectively wiped out.
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>>57963650
post proof
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>>57963636
I'm biased but I'd say Ravenwing. Deathwing can't do anything you're not better off doing with assault plasma, and greenwing doesn't bring anything you're not doing better with Russes or infantry squads
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Anyone have any practical experience running Zoanthropes in a Kraken list? Just ordered three boxes to make two squads of four along with a Neurothrope. Going to run them regardless, just looking to pick up any tips
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>>57963650
Fuck off, chicken little. Get out of my faction.
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>>57963671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93B072j-E3I
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>>57963573
I want all of those things but I know I can never have them. Maybe it is time to embrace what I've become and buy into that stupid vehicle GSC + hive tyrant list I've beeb musing about since the start of 8th
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what is the opposite of soup?
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>>57963647
What do you run? Lots of low points units?
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>>57963730
Yeah - rough run down is:

>80 Cultists
>30 Pbears
>30 Tzaangors
>9 Tzaangor Enlightened
>Some characters
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>>57963724
Bread and butter
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>>57963650
So tears it is then.
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>>57963745
That's insane but must look amazing on the table.
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>>57963758
Its a lot of fun to play, very frustrating for my opponent.
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>>57962964

You're more of a cunt
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>>57963724
hardtack.
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>>57963724
Not Soup
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>>57963724
>even in forty kilograms general there is soup
when are the ultramarines going to start shouting "ONLY THE FAITHFUL" as their battlecry?
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>>57963768
Should I take a Y'varha and Vespid escort over SS and drone support?
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What would be the best way to get into the lore of this universe. I've been interested for a while but haven't found a good place to read up on it all.
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>>57963792
lexicanum or "if the emperor had a text to speech device"
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Are there rules for modeling for advantage re: decor bases in ITC?
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This a good price for fake termies?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40K-Space-Marine-Terminator-Squad-of-6-Games-Workshop-Free-Shippin-/173000025444
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>>57963828
Not really no. Though in my general experience if you're going much past the original dimensions of the model you should get approval.
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An interesting conversion, but I dont think that paintjob is worth 250euros.
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>>57963828
how does modeling for advantage work for bases?
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>>57963650
Literally smaller than 90% of other mentioned Xeno races still somehow gets a model range.

Completely irrelevant to the universe with no conceivable win condition.

Constantly defeating people they would never defeat if the setting made any sense sense.

Everytime they get btfo like they deserve Plot Armour saves their tiny irrelevant Empire.

Don't even fight in melee.

Still have the audacity to come here and complain about your faction losing a campaign.

Typical Tau fag your tears are delicious to me.
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>>57963883
If your devastators are on 3" decor bases they get more LOS.
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>>57963477
The apothecary seems wasteful if all you can use it on is basic troops.
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>>57962833
It really depends what you're painting.
My archon I did the cloak, arms and body separately. My raider I had a few sub-assemblies. Scourges I'm doing wings separately. Kabalites, wyches etc I've done whole.
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>>57963882
Pretty cool conversion, IMO. But yeah, a quick airbrush job like that is not worth it.
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>>57963900
wider bases, yeah that is a no
higher bases, seems weird, doesn't give strict benefit as you lose the ability to hide behind anything
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>>57963893
tau does have some really nice models though
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>>57963934
That i will give you.
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>>57963923
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>>57963882
PRO PAINTED
Why do people always do shitty glow/osl once they get an airbrush? Like the gun glow doesn't look appropriate
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>>57963923
How about shorter bases? Like the old tiny stem bases for jetbikes?
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so how bad are custodes? I've been a fan of the fluff for awhile now, and when I heard that custodes were actually playable I started to consider jumping into the actual wargame. Though based on what I've been seeing they're apparently hot garbage?
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>>57963949
Exactly what I was thinking of when I said no to wider bases.

>>57963957
Yeah, shorter is a different story. Like all the killer roomba drones and squatting riptides. With the intent to hide behind pebbles.

man, why are all the modeling for advantage examples that come to mind tau
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>>57963975
So far, not entirely too sure since people haven't got to play with them enough.
Got some meh things, but jetbikes look like some new hotness that will be a soup topper for many things.
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>>57962964
You’re never a dick for bringing anything that the points allow you to bring. That’s what points are for.
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>>57963987
I know a nids player that hid units behind the giant wings of a flyrant and then told me I couldn't get LOS on them because the wings were in the way.
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>>57963987
>no to wider bases

What does this say about those who upgrade their CSM bases to the new Marine standard?
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>>57963987
Alternatively do what i do when using Heresy Marines for 40k measure from the center and gain a small disadvantage instead of being a douche.
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>>57964018
He said Power Level, not points
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So whats the verdict on the beta rules for the forgeworld custodes units? I honestly think they're a tad overcosted for what they do, but this is coming from someone whose used to dealing with nonstop maximum efficiency tourney lists from other players.
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>>57964045
ACon this year has stated if the kit has been reboxed with bigger bases you MUST use the new base size.
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>>57964062
same shit different smell.
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>>57964045
Rebasing your army to look consistent with the new standard is absolutely fine. It's just intentionally modelling things differently for gameplay reasons that is wrong.

>>57964067
What's an "ACon"?
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>>57964067
CSM has not been reboxed though
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>>57962685
The plasma may kill them, but the finger of disappointment will hurt the most.
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>>57964109
AdeptiCon

>>57964114
Yes they have, they come with 32s now.
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>>57964114
I've recently got almost every single plastic CSM kit and can confirm they've been reboxed to 32mm. Even Warp Talons/Raptors.
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>>57964149
Thanks anon. Glad I went through the trouble of basing my dudes with the new standards in mind.
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Do flamers still have any kind of Wall of Death rule are can they not use that weapon in overwatch for units more than 8" away?
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>>57964183
it's by range now, suck it up
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>>57964183
All the rules are in the main rulebook and dataslates anon. There are only like 30 pages you need to read.
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>>57963220
They will say "very soon" to any codex related question of Necron, Tau and DEldar.
The social media guy probably has no idea when they are going to be released.
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Did the new FW cuckstodes rules fix them or are they still dog shit?
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>>57964045
Wider than with respect to the GW base for the model

>>57964065
A bit weak, but probably to be on the safe side and rely on feedback to adjust.
They didn't want to risk dumping OP rules.
I like the Achillus and Calladius, I think they just need some minor adjustments. Well, maybe a sizeable points drop on the latter.
The beta page also says we get more options, dread, and tanks later. So that is exciting.
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>>57964268
Only bike captains and standard bearers are any good. Basically another soup ingredient like assassins, etc.
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>>57964065
Kinda poopy excet the spear-naught. He's a little overcosted considering he's easier to kill than a jetbike captain but also has very solid damage output so, like most of the army, if he actually GETS there he'll make his points back. Big if though.
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>>57963975
absolute trash as a solo army against anything competitive, due to 3/4 of the book being overcosted and gw made it impossible to abuse what seemed like good stratagems. Might have a place in soup
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>>57964065
The general concensus seems to be that the exemplar is solid, the achillus is meh/poor, and the tanks are lame. The achillus just needs a small bump to deadliness with the spear and it’ll be golden, while the tanks need some serious rework. I played a round earlier today taking an achillus, and calladius, and stand-in exemplar and what people have said seemed about right. The exemplar balled out with the pulsar and the lastrum on achillus was sweet, but that spear just didn’t hit hard enough; I’d compare it to a slightly weaker GMNDK. the calladius fucking sucked, miffed soooo many damage rolls. If it was D3 or even flat D2 I’d be happy. Fly is nice, but 3+ on the tanks is dumb as shit and they cost a lot too. Going to try the coronus this weekend, but as is I don’t see the point as custodes have little real need for transports and 400pts for a worse-than-landraider gunboat is a very poor choice. Prices are fine if they do the following, I think

>give dreadspear AP4 or d3 mortal wounds on 6+ to hit instead of 1
>give tanks machine spirit and 2+ save
>make flare shield cooler, the 6+++ is nice but a -1S to shooting would be more fitting
>make iliastus cannon D3 or D2 (or keep it as is but give ignores cover (rapid tracking) and plus one damage against vehicles/monsters (heliothermic) which would be more fitting but not OP)
>make lastrum cannon D2 (personal opinion)
>make the arachnus heavy mode S8 AP-4 and after saves but before damage deal mortal wound on 4+ (I think that would be exoshocl best represented?)
>make burst fire 6-shot S5 AP-1 D2
Maybe not D2 on bolt cannons, idk I just liked how they did in HH. They’re not awful, but as is I’d leave them at home for even semi-competitive stuff. I’m really hyped to get a real exemplar now though, conversion or otherwise. I mostly want flavor out of these guys though. If you want to help email FW saying similar stuff

I’m also hyped to use my big boi/aquilon as soon as they’re done
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>>57963034
K

I lost this one very narrowly due to a range of foolish mistakes. But what’s important is it was a narrow loss and not a curb stomp for either side. Fuck major victories and defeats! Minor victories/defeats are where the real fun is!
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>>57964350
See
>>57964326
>>57964270
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>>57964302
Fortunately you can DS dreads as Custodes. Better than nothing
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>>57964335
The best games are when both armies are wittled down to about a dozen models each and it's still neck-and-neck
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>>57964326
I'll keep that in mind, unfortunately I'm starting a custodes army no matter what because I've always wanted to paint something like them

SHINY AND GOLD
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>>57963503
>Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download.
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>>57964326
Only thing I really didn't like was the laz-blaze. Multiprofile guns tend to suck
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>>57964065

Overpriced as always compare either of the tanks to a wave serpent before adding weapons onto it and cry 110 points more for the grav tank and it gets 1 wound and a 6 up but doesnt get serpent shields.

The dreads pay out the ass for anti tank weapons and while it fills a whole the pure army doesnt have you can only take 1 and there is cheaper anti tank options to ally in
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>>57964394
They’re not stuck bad, we just have to act and make FW hear our voices. The army plays well as is (imo) and since they actually want to listen- or so they say- then we’d best speak up. Tell them the problems, they hopefully fix them.
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>>57964424
>The Wright Brothers get transported to 40k
What is this, Drifters?
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>>57964394
>her dream actually came true
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>>57964459
That's Pipimi as a Custodes. Someone needs to draw Popuko as a GK.
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>>57964453
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>>57962576
Its basically a twin lascannon. I feel the burst should be 2d6. But still like it, its pretty useful.

I wish the dreads got The Emperor’s Chosen.

I am still eager to see Sagitarium Guard.
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>>57964431
>>57964438

What is the Calladius's big bro gonna look like?
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Considering a contemptor for my salamanders as they work well with dreads and my venerable and stock dread have been doing great! Are the contemptors worth it with codex rules or am I better going with the forge world rules?
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>>57964504
FW is better for more options
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Archon again. A or B?

A
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>>57964475
Yes, definitely. It will be a true kuso duo, just like the armies.
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>TFW you can't afford a Stormsurge so you have to get creative
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>>57964065
The short version is that the GW bikes are still the best custodes unit.

Slightly longer version

Achilles - Bit expensive, good shooting, little lackluster in melee (but we are comparing it to the rape machine it is in 30k).

Exemplar -Probably the best thing in the pamphlet, but if you do take a mostly bike army he will get left behind in the dust which if you want him to camp something in your deployment is fine

Caladius - I hate Dd3 as it makes the gun swing in usefulness wildly. Shoot at a w2/w3 model and get prepared for 1s to waste shots.
Also the limit of 1 per detachment means you can't really try and take a tank line with a buff HQ.

Coronos - Should be transport 12 with terminator armor taking 2 slots.
Also without the FW special custodes infantry there isn't much that really needs to be in there. For example the best unit to stick in it should be Custodes with melta spears + buff model, or the FW terminators with fire pikes (super heavy flamers) + buff model.
Lastly if it is super expensive way to transport models with relatively low fire power remaining after it has done that job.
If your opponent was dumb enough to try and sink a huge amount of firepower into it during turn 1-2 leaving the rest of your army alone it would be great, but hoping your opponent is dumb is not a good strategy.
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>>57964526
B
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>>57964546
>trying to play tabletop 40k instead of videogames
Why would anyone do this?
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>>57964491
The burst mode sucks and yeah it is basically a twin lascannon.
So basically worse firepower than your standard quad lascannon LR.

>>57964546
Looks about as aesthetic as the real thing
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that being said the souped up stormbolters are great and if the spear cost 40-50 points instead of 75 the achillus would be fairly good
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>>57964554
B
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>>57964546
Kill it with fire. This abomination is an affront to the Emperor!
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>>57964554
If you happen to have the set of legs with the right knee raised, this pose. Otherwise find a way to lower the blast pistol and have them putting their focus into jabbing with the spear.
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>>57964578
Yeah
It is just the Coronus that looks bad. The rest is good to mediocre already
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>>57964546

>decides to play most hated 40k faction
>won't even bring models to the game

yep, tau players
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>>57964554
Can an Archon even take a power lance?
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>>57962611
#fuckTony
Get out of here you friendless loser
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>>57963918
I think it looks great and you're being mean
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Why are 40k players always wearing t-shirt and shorts? Is it some sort of unspoken dress code?

I see it as a recurring theme in the vast majority of game shots.
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>>57964644
No, and it won't be a spear, it will be a glaive.
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>>57964674
It's cooling and comfortable. Bunch of nerd in a single room can get hot.
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>>57964674
It's comfortable. I usually wear a tee and some basketball shorts. If it's cold out then I'll be using jeans.
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>>57964674
>those rocks look like dicks
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>>57964605
the Caladius should have its base price cut way down it pays out the ass for both its weapons and its base profile but compare the base profile to a wave serpent it should be a 150 points at base then paying 95 for the two guns isnt nearly so bad
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>>57963893
>The blood angels are 1000 fucking dudes. The Grey Knights are somehow out there fighting imperial guard and guilliman on the regular. The custodes are now on the other side of the galaxy.

The game should have 4 factions. IG, Orks, Chaos cultists with demons and Tyranids. Every other codex is dumb by that same logic.
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>>57964572
Mobility and its still cheaper. Hopefully the test rules will see it buffed or cheapened.
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>>57964690
>>57964693
That combination looks absolutely awful on everyone except incredibly fit men. Please don't do it for your own sake.
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>>57963014
This is an English board what the fuck are you even trying to say you mongloid
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>>57963987
>man, why are all the modeling for advantage examples that come to mind tau

The only time i have experienced that in YEARS is a sisters player using the old metal Celstine because its half the size. Even though he had the new one next to the fucking table.

I'm also suspicious about his custom dice that rolled way too many fucking 6's. The odds were becoming astronomical.
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>>57963224
> GIBS ME DAT AWOOOO
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>>57964730
Don't be fucking stupid. Nothing looks "good" on anyone if they're not fit. I don't care if it looks "good" or not. I'm not there to impress anyone. I want to be comfortable and mildly presentable while I play. It's not like I'm wearing a cheeto and grease-stained shirt and cumstained shorts. I make sure I'm clean.
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>>57964441
the wright brothers were all about dat dakka
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>>57964730
Bro I'm in a game store filled with other nerds, I give two shits if it looks good.
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>>57964558
maybe they hate themselves?
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>>57964604
Like so?

C I guess
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>>57963555
Orks dawg.
Play Orks, make some friends. Just don't play spammy Orks.
People only like Ork player who they can beat the piss out of
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>>57964424
DA RITE BROTHA'Z
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>>57964730
The only problem with the T is that its form fitting on a body that doesn't want to be shown off. Better off with something buttoned. The shorts are fine. Tshirt and shorts is standard gamer faire. They're not there to impress people with their looks, they're there to stand in a humid room all day.
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>>57964706
What other war gear is the Cal missing? Heavy Arachnus?
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>>57964822
Das it, mane. If you can angle/tilt it on the base slightly downward, it'd look great.
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>>57962523
Yay, you included the mathhammer sheet! Cheers.
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>>57964834
It really depends on how thick the T is. I've tried on some shirts that are so thin they stick to my every corpulent roll and then there are others that hang off my shoulders/chest without looking like I'm wearing a shower curtain. The regular shirts sold by teefury are a good example of that comfortable fit.
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>>57963987
As a Tau player that got shit on harder than usual Wednesday, due to "oh lol your Drone's antenna is fucking you up!" And "your missile pod antenna is visible." I can say fuck NOT using the short doom roomba stems. Drones hover just above ground, no reason it should be above eye level if it's with infantry.

This same faggot played Krieg and World of Tanks, so literally every time I wanted to shoot I got "is that on my tank commander? Cuz that doesn't count. Banners, weapons etc.. on vehicles"
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>>57964852
The feet will be replaced so it appears as though she would be vaulting off the ground, so yeah she will be leaning forward.
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>>57964730
>not being fit

Its easy. Just pretend that counting your macros is like making an army list.
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>>57964674
Also grossly obese.
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>>57964683
I don't think Archons can take star glaives
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>>57964554
>>57964526
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>>57964419
>Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download
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>>57964878
>unpainted models

Looks like another fresh guardfag jumping on the WAAC bandwagon.
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>>57963518
They playtested the completed codices. It's why indexes are such clusterfucks.
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>>57964730
this is why i and everyone at my lgs dress strictly in suits. gotta look good while rolling them die, baby.
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>>57964911
maybe he is preparing for DE 8th
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>>57963570
Honestly doubt it. Mechs sell.
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>>57964620
Did a fusionmander just wreck your anus?

My friend always gets buttblasted when he gets fusionmander'd even though he has a codex army.
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>>57964916
You're probably right. What about C? >>57964822
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>>57964878
Needs more custom attachments.
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>>57962685
I personally like option 5. but its your model. Here is what I did with mine.
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>>57963671
Generally speaking, Zoanthropes are a "take only if you REALLY like them" unit. 120pts for a slightly better Smite is not great. They have Synapse and a 3++ I guess but they're not Characters. Neurothropes are just way better.
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Looking at some of the profiles, they literally copied it straight out of 30k with GW's AP conversion scale.
Lastrum Storm Bolter, Lastrum Bolt Cannon, Spear Laser
Only the Arachnus has some significant difference
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>>57964546
I can't even tell the difference between that and the official model! Good work, anon. But I'm going to have to deduct a point for not going with the classic white colour scheme.
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Deldar are secretly the most feminist faction.

Females and males treated the same.

Same opportunities for advancement.

Rare for babies to be born naturally, incubation pods.

God damnit.
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>>57963785
Y'vahra is pretty amazing, better than any of the other heavies. If you can get one, bring it.
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>>57964834
Button down shirt will make any shape human shape look at least somewhat acceptable. It is a proven fact. I honestly will never understand the sort of logic where you just give up on how you look and just "be comfortable".
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>>57964960
The codex entry will have this build and this build alone (despite being objectively the worst build you can take).

All other options will be 'Index Only' legacy choices.
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>>57963882
How is that tjing supposed to fly?
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>>57965011
They're also big into bdsm
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>>57965022
>>57964960
>forgot pic.jpg
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>>57965011
>Deldar are secretly the most feminist faction.

So?

>Females and males treated the same.
>Same opportunities for advancement.

I don't think you know what feminism actually is, anon.....
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>>57965011
>it's feminist to keep slaves and rape them
really joggin that noggin m8
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>>57963975
No real consensus seems like. The hyper elite nature of them means they're super matchup dependant, either you have what's needed to kill them and you win or you don't. Jetbikes and maybe vexilia look amazing to bring as allies though.
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>>57965042
>I don't think you know what feminism actually is

A buzz word that people change the definition of on the fly to suit their agenda?
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>>57964954
Don't need to dress in suites to look good anon. I would be pretty embarrassed to show up to the game store like the guys in the picture though, be they overweight or not.
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>>57965049
Yes, but males and females rape equally
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>>57965076
jesus christ you're playing with mandrakes?
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>>57964526
>>57964554
A. More aggressive and dynamic.
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>>57965016
Imagine being so autistic you have to care about how people look for them. It's not "giving up". I have to dress decently for work, so you're god damn right I'm going to dress to relax when I'm not working.
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>>57965076

>open drinks and glue on the table

why
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>>57964546
That's just a PS1 era Storm Surge Solid, anon.
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>>57965061
For gits and shiggles I'm bringing a 2k list of only bike captains to a tourney next Saturday, gunna see how it goes. Probably will lose every match but I'm banking on the local autists losing their shit over what is ostensibly a worse version of the cellexus assassins list.
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>>57965076
Wait a minute that fursuit
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>>57965096
>not being embarrassed to be seen in public in anything that wouldnt pass as business casual

identified the problem: lack of appropriate shame
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>>57964674
T-shirts are a very, very common clothing choice, regardless of group.

I don't get the shorts, though.
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>>57965076
Fursuits > suits
>t. leman russ
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>>57965137
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>>57965120
I hate that 8th ed army construction is so fucked you can actually do that.
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>>57965110
>he doesn't sniff glue and neckbeard armpits during the game
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>>57964822
idk man I just think that an archon based off a scourge mini is just gonna look like a solarite.
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>>57965137
>open the door
>get on the floor
>everybody do the dinosaur
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>>57965120
I would be grateful for a full report, assuming you can make the time. for research, or course.
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>>57964822
0/10 face capes
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>>57964939
They were painted. Just in an extremely boring grey on other grey.
>>57964985
The fuckhuge Stormsword or whatever was the worst. But every tank was unable to be targeted (by his logic) on the top half of the model, because it was a turret.
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>>57965110
>open drinks
Drop Pod proxy.

>glue on the table
Somebody had to do a quick repair job on a broken model.
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>>57965022
Don't say that. They will take my blaster over my cold, dead body.
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>>57965120
Does your store use the beta rules?
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>>57965183
I don't have a picture on my work computer but my Archon has a scourge upper body sans head, scourge wings, and the Archon rock base and he looks very sweet and not like a solitaire. Unfortunately he's got solid gold armor and pink/purple wings so he instead looks like a very tiny Magnus.
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>>57965185
>open the door
>spout 15 year old memes
>feel old
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>>57965040
say what you want about the load-out but I actually like this model and his pose quite a bit
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>>57965127
Oh my. You sound exactly like the type of person that would eat onions like an apple because they contain testosterone.
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>>57964674
eh where I am from t shirts and shorts are the norm and people would look at you funny for wearing pants. It is 30 plus degrees C all year round though.
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>>57965185
okay, I gotta admit that was pretty funny.
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>>57965232
the world would be a better place if people were less sloven. its not even debatable.
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I cannot figure out if Deldar are becoming more popular generally or if it just seems that way because /tg/ is full of the sort of deviants who would naturally gravitate to them.
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>>57965198
Yeah man, will do. Expect it on the 25th since the event is on the 24th.
>>57965222
Don't know if we will for this one yet since it's so soon but we probably will for the future. I don't own any of the models they made beta rules for though so it doesn't affect me. Now when they release rules for Aquillons though...
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>>57965229
Sure, so long as you cut off the weapons and replace them with something sensible
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>>57965232
Also because ogres have layers.
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>>57965262
Definitely the latter
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>>57965262
Its a combination of Deviants and them not being complete trash rule wise compared to previous editions
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>>57965220
You'll still be able to use it, you'll just have to carry around the Index with you like a pleb.
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>>57965262
I think it's just that the 7 pm to 9 am est /tg/ crowd has an inordinate number of Deldar players.
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>Yeah man, will do.
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>>57965225
Those contemptors just look like they're doing some kind of silly dance, specially when next to each other. It was either that or linking 'I can't dance' from Genesis. which probably makes me feel even more ancient
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>>57965260
The world would be a better place if people didn't judge books by the covers, but hey, here we are.
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>>57965250
the fuck kind of Tau is this?
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>>57965262
The latter. /tg/ is full of autists with appropriate armies like Astra Militarum, Sisters of Battle and Drukhari. Are contrarians that hate everything popular and competition, etc. It all makes sense if you think about it.
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>>57965297
Except for Authors as I find the majority of my readers just look at the covers and get duped into reading my shit because they like the illustration.
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>>57965263
No I meant the beta character targeting rules.
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>>57965332
Oh that yes absolutely, this is why I'm bringing the list, I plan to make some people VERY fucking salty.
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>>57965295
Don't worry anon. I genuinely enjoy when some people make references to things that were popular ~20 years ago like Punk'd show the other day.
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>>57965324
some space marine tau faggatry from over a decade ago. nicely painted though, gotta give them that.
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>>57965331
You are the worst kind of scum
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>>57965286
The 11pm-4am est TauCrowd is also pretty comfy. Gue'vesanon if any of you wonderful dudes are online.
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>>57965224
I said solarite not solitare. what do the wings even count as? are they just non-functional?
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>>57965347
How would those rules make people salty, they mean you can target any of your characters they want to.
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>>57965359
I figure if I piss off enough people maybe GW will realize how fucking retarded their decisions have been.
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>>57965374
Yeah they just look sweet. Theme of the army is "too good to touch the ground" so everything is modeled flying, jumping, with wings, etc.
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>>57965379
stop this maddness
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>>57965024
How does any imperial flyer fly when they often have no visible way to generate list. Also, most of them are turboprop jets despite being 'spacecraft'.
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>>57965426
Literally .....

I do not remember what i was gonna say this made me speechless
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>>57965386
but all their recent decisions have been relatively good.

8th is objectively the best edition so far.
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>>57965375
False, considering I can turbo boost my jetbike captain behind a close piece of LoS blocking terrain and my entire army cannot be shot at. Unless they release new beta rules for it outside of CA that I never read?
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>>57965426
Only thing left to work on now that there have been no decent new releases for ages.
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>>57965426
No, I'm funposting about the game instead because I'm tired of converting models and cleaning finecast.
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>>57965379
>>57965358
I've always liked these models but I gotta think they just look strange from any other angle.
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>>57965449
Sorry friend.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/15/the-future-of-faqs-and-chapter-approved-dec-15gw-homepage-post-2/
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>>57965445
I'm sorry, let me be clear. I love 8th, it's a massive upgrade to 7th. Some decisions though, like the character targetting rules and how re-rolls work with modifiers are dumb and need to be fixed as they are unintuitive, needlessly complicated, and prone to abuse. On a whole though the edition is mich better than some previous ones.
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Why no harlequin Start Collecting?

Shadowseer, troupe and a starweaver like how fucking hard is that
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>>57965445
It still needs work though. A lot of work.
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>>57965475
Niche army that only a couple spergs in the whole world care about. Same as Sob, etc.
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>>57963139
Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download.
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>>57965498
>Same as Sob
except harlequins actually have models and will get an actual codex
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So let me get this straight. The Sword of the Emperor is a warpcraft that can send a fucking daemon easily out to the warp? And this is all the Emperor's presence? How strong did the Big E get after all that Psker souls?
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>>57965445
>8th is objectively the best edition so far.
I understand that you're new to the game and only started playing in 6th or 7th,
but understand that what you said is completely false.
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>>57965463
Ah, my bad then. Thanks for the heads up prior to me making an ass of myself at the shop though.
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>>57965473
The character rules are pretty intuitive, and make up for characters no longer joining units. That's a dumb thing to dislike.

Genuinely curious though, how would have handled the re-rolls with Modifiers thing?
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>>57965519
The what now?
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>>57965509
I'm fairly sure both factions will just because they both have a loud minority lobbying for and demanding new releases.
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>>57965532
Nope, started in 3rd. I just don't have nostalgia goggles. (I did miss 5th and 6th though as I was out of the hobby for a few years there)
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>>57965536
>how would have handled the re-rolls with Modifiers thing?
Not the guy you replied to, but there's no reason to not just make them work the intuitive way.
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>>57965532
Not the anon you are referring to but I started in third and 8th is distantly the best edition so far. The only one that comes close is 5th.

8th has some teething problems with mortal wounds, die modifiers, and character targeting issues but they're fixable. It took them 3 editions to get the 5th ed ruleset to a competitively playable base. 9th will probably be very solid if they don't do something stupid and fuck it up.
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Yep, assembled five more admech rangers and the second dominus. Once I get the next five built as vanguard I can go to work with the liquid green stuff and fill in the seam lines on the cloaks. After that is probably another two weeks of painting. I hope by then my airbrush has arrived so I can paint my dunewalkers with it.
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>>57965562
which comes first in the 'intuitive' way?
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>>57965561
Either liar or shit taste.
Either way, opinion safely discarded.
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>>57965519
If he wasn't a god before he was put on the throne there is a good chance he is now after 10,000 years of worship his power has done nothing but rise.
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>>57965558
SoB have had that minority for 20 years and have been dead for 20 years.
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>>57965561
Same here anon and I share your opinion. A bunch of people are tired and jaded here though so don't take them seriously.
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>>57965576
Does the roll result in a hit? Then no need to reroll.
Does it result in a miss? Reroll.
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>>57965536
The easy way, all modifiers are applied and then re-rolls are determined by if it succeeded or failed, period. There is mo reason for a minus 1 to hit meaning I need a 4+, but because a 3 WOULD have hit I can't re-roll it. That's just obtuse. Also, I disagree on the character rules mostly because I beleive characters should still be able to join units, just with limitations, like keeping buffs how they are now and making IC buffs not effect other IC's.
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>>57965562
Once you play with the way it works in the book a few times it becomes second nature. Re-roll dice before checking modifiers, pretty easy honestly.
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>>57965577
You're outnumber, deal with it.

Your opinion is based on salt and nothing more. Not that it matters, I'll keep enjoying playing 8th, you go ahead and enjoy trying to get someone to play 2nd with you.
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>>57965577
Again, not the guy you're talking too but you're a retard. What edition do YOU like? It's probably 7th because you're a brainless manchild.
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>>57965574

how'd you make those bases? Astrogranite Debris + drybrush of a lighter color?
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>>57963155
Different anon, but what are the stats on that? Looks like it should just be a 4 gun heavy bolter on a thunderfire cannon chasis, but what book is it from? Looks like it'd be a fun conversion to try, considering if it's a forgeworld unit, it's gonna be expensive (and a bitch to assemble)
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>>57965592
Why is applying modifiers before re-rolls any more intuitive than applying it after?
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>>57965600
Being easy and being intuitive are not the same thing and there is no practicle reason for doing it this way. For instance, my shop played it wrong every single game until the FAQ and even then were SURE we read it wrong just because it seems to be a decision based on absolutely nothing.
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>>57965591
So if I hit on a 3+ and re-roll 1's and a buff grants me +1 to hit rolls and I roll a 1, the 1 becomes a 2 and the buff causes me to miss?
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>>57965604
Nah, we've polled tg before and 8th is definitely not the favorite.
Support for it is also fading fast.

>>57965605
>durr ur retarded because I'm mad!
Anyway,
Favorite edition for core rules was 5th.
Favorite for codex balance was 4th.
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>>57965631
Re-roll 1's is different than re-rolled failed hits, in this case 1's applies to the die roll not the result.
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>>57965638
>Support fading fast
>Largest ever 40k event held using 8th rules
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>>57965592
Joining units was not more intuitive and causes way more issues with mixed T and saves.
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>>57965616
Astrogranite then agrax wash and dry brush with celestra grey. Also don't forget to go back and clean up the rim with black.
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>>57965638
5th had the best codex balance? I'm guessing you played Grey Knights then.
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>>57965647
Support for 8th being their favorite, not support for 40k in general anon.
Learn to read.
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>>57965619
It's a 48" quad-heavy bolter marine stat vehicle + 2 marines with bolter that all can fire their guns. I got one not too long ago and it was reasonably cheap and pretty east to assemble though I replaced the marines with different armor since MkIII didn't fit my army's theme.
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>>57965627
So because you don't like it its a bad idea. Gotcha.

Sure as shit makes re-roll 1s to hit amazing. Nets you re-rolling 1s and 2s if you do it your way.
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>>57965645
how intuitive...
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>>57965631
No, if you have an ability to reroll 1's, then you just reroll a natural result of 1.
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>>57965655

thanks anon

>Also don't forget to go back and clean up the rim with black.

what kind of monster doesn't clean up a mini's base?
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>>57965650
Not the way it worked in 5th. Literally keep it exactly that way but you keep the "first wound means all wounds go on that model until it dies" rule. It's much more intuitive than "I can't target your literally 15 foot tall Primarch because he's standing behind some 5 ft tall conscripts.".

Remember, intuitive is NOT the same as easy. Intuitive is how a new player would assume the rules work unless told otherwise.
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>>57965665
Where do you find these idiotic opinions? These echo chamber threads? People world-wide love this edition the best and GW is trippling in profits and hobby participation.
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>>57965624
"Ok, i moved the devastator and rolled a 3. That makes him miss but hes next to the captain so he's gonna reroll."

"NOT SO FAST ASSHOLE, HE WOULD HAVE HIT WITHOUT THE MODIFIER SO YOU DON'T GET TO REROLL"

"But it says reroll misses"

"YEAH BUT IT DOESN'T MISS UNTIL AFTER IT HITS"

"But it never hit."

"UR DUDE MISSED MOVE ON"

"Ok, but if he missed I get a reroll"
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>>57965659
Holy shit my dude, actually incredible how shit your reading comprehension is.
>these are the people who love 8th, brainlets who can't read
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>>57965619
It's actually pretty easy to assemble, and I'll let you decide if $45 is too much or not.

I know the chaos one is in the FW Chaos Index, I assume there is a loyalist version.
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>>57965638
>4th edition
>codex balance

Oh yeah sure, literally invincible Eldar Falcons were so balanced. And it's not like the 3.5 CSM codex from that era still has a certain reputation.
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>>57965713
Wrong. The first wound to have go on that model assuming they were identically equipped - if you had a unit of mutli-wound models with mixed wargear you could spread wounds.
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>>57965718
Why do you seem to think that 8th being popular means its the favorite edition among older players?
Does AOS's success mean that old whfb players like it more?
>inb4 they're just salty
Maybe so, but the point stands.
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>>57965719
Correct that doesn't change that re-roll 1s now becomes re-roll 1s and 2s which means captain auras and the like are MUCH more powerful than they currently are.

Also its still pretty simple, my group had 0 issues with it because we read the rules and applied them.

Check dice - if successful pull aside
If unsuccessful re-roll
Pool successful dice - apply modifiers
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>>57965699
I've seen my fair share of minis with dirty based. Its like a 30 second fix that can take a mini from 5/10 to a 7/10.
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>>57965638
>>57965665
I would point out the stupidity of pretending the change in rules was not the sole reason the game has shot up in popularity, but then I remembered that people still play the edition I like and will continue to do so while your favorite is lost and forgotten, so why bother getting mad about your shit opinion?
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>>57965692
It's in all cases. Not the game's fault you're too much of a fucking autist to understand a basic step by step process because it deviates from the way you perceive things.

If you can't understand that, how do you even play 40k, or any wargames for that matter? Battle Tech would probably leave you sperging and bawling in the corner.
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>>57965638
Yes because Wave Serpent the edition had fantastic codex balance.
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>>57965638
>Nah, we've polled tg before and 8th is definitely not the favorite.
>Support for it is also fading fast.

Most successful sales quarter in GW history happened in sixth and everyone but you seems to love it.

>Favorite edition for core rules was 5th.
It was definitely the best of the old 40k system but that system had a lot of major issues with infantry being useless, mixed equipment units being unkillable, and all the built up shit (WS is a useless skill, max str 10 for no reason, units can shoot one thing for no reason, leadership did literally nothing, etc).

>Favorite for codex balance was 4th.
I take it you didn't play competitively in 4th. It didn't have a leafblower but tyranids literally couldn't kill skimmers. Ever. And the game had two armies composed entirely of skimmers.
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>>57965729
>he doesn't know chaos had a 4th edition codex
Let's hear the damage control!
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Sent my letter of recommendation to FW, what do you think? Did I suck enough dick fo have them listen?

Hey guys! I’m thrilled that you’ve set out some beta rules, and am even happier you’re opening up to the community for response- great move! I love the Custodian army I got for the Horus Heresy and now 40k, and so I got right to work (or I guess play) at hammering out a few Mardi Gras games to try out the rules. In every case, the army was fully custodes; faction keyword army-wide <Adeptus custodes>. Played three games (all 2,000 points) and then a few smaller test scenarios.


Data-sheet: Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought
Number of games used: 2
Point values: keep the same
Achillus Dreadspear- For melee, I think it needs a little help, in both games it struggled to hit heavier targets (battle tanks and monstrous creatures and the like) and should be in line to something like a grand master in nemesis dreadknight or a relic Contemptor Dreadnought (namely that ghastly chainfist it’s got). I’d do one of the following;
-give the Spear AP-4
-deal d3 mortal wounds from the ‘impaling lunge’ special rule.
Overall I think the achillus is a little underpowered, could maybe use a hand.


Data-sheet: Contemptor-Exemplar Dreadnought
Number of games used: 3
Point Values: Keep the same
Las-Pulsar: perfect. Literally exactly what I was hoping for, whole profile worked out great; fried his fair share of enemies.
Lastrum Storm bolter: perfect as well. Will be badass on aquilon, and in both him and the achillus it gave some great anti-infantry firepower.
Overall I think the exemplar is awesome and needs no changes.
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>>57965783
>Most successful sales quarter in GW history happened in sixth and everyone but you seems to love it.

I meant to say eighth and typed sixth. Sixth almost killed 40k entirely it was so bad.
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>>57965692
>>57965686
>I don't have an argument so I'm jist going to ignore everything you said and say you're wrong.

Wow, we were having a pretty comfy thread up until that point. Re-roll failed rolls of 1 is extremely clear, as is re-roll failed hits. The fact that you apparently can't understand English doesn't mean it isn't obvious that a ROLL is different than a RESULT. But feel free to give me more (you)'s, watching 8th babbys get mad because they don't understand you can like something while still wanting it to improve is always a good laugh.
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>>57965762
The point was that support is fading. Saying that older players don't like it means nothing if the numbers show a massive growth and steady numbers.
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>>57965765

it's like those pics of minis with tuft or dirt protruding onto the rim that kinda trigger me, base aesthetics is important
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>>57965790
Not great. You should point out that the d6 8" plasma weapons are borderline useless and that 30 points per gun is a HUGE investment for such a short range weapon you can't fire while running and that is going to permanently have a negative modifier.
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>>57965780
>Nitpicks a single unit that was imbalanced as a case against the game's balance as a whole
Whoa
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>>57965800
Have fun then, fortunately GW put in a solid system with the modifiers and re-rolls and they don't cater to moronic children such as yourself that are literally incapable of simply reading and doing.
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>>57965616
not using kino goblin green & green flock bases
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>>57965713
A giant broodlord could also not be targeted standing in a unit of genestealers, the one 'flaw' you claim is unintuitive about 8th equally existed in 5th. Meanwhile a dude with higher T could be wounded as if his stats were lower just because he stood next to someone weaker.

The new system is way better, and having less bloated mechanics is not less intuitive, you just think it is because one is what you were used to.
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>>57965780
Are you sure you're not thinking of 6th?
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>>57965762
The vast majority of older players are jaded people that barely play or buy new armies, be it 40k or whfb(reason why it died) or aos. I wouldn't concern myself with what anyone like that thinks.
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>>57965790
P2, forgot it won’t carry over the Highlighted main points I did in the email to get straight to key ideas. Damn.

>Data-sheet: Caladius Grav-Tank
>Number of games used: 3
>Point Values: Keep the same
>Armor save:
needs the armor save increased to 2+, just a touch too susceptible to enemy fire as is.
>Special Rules:
needs Power of the Machine Spirit. Badly, I think.
>Iliastus Accelerator Cannon:
needs a small bump to damage output, either by increasing to damage 3 or giving a special rule like it had in 30k; maybe ignores cover for rapid tracking or keeping d3 damage but getting +1 damage against monsters and vehicles to represent heliothermic detonation.
>Lastrum Bolt cannon:
it’s alright, not great but not terrible. Nice against Skitarii and Toughness 3 soldiers, as well as chipping off some wounds on bigger targets. If anything, maybe give it damage 2?

As is I think the caladius is underwhelming as a main battle tank of the custodes arsenal, for 300 points it ought to be able to deal a little more damage each turn.

>Data-sheet: Coronus Grav-Carrier
>Number of games used: 2
>Point Values: Keep the same
Armor save: needs the armor save increased to 2+, just a touch too susceptible to enemy fire as is.
>Special Rules:
needs Power of the Machine Spirit. Super needs it, I think it’s required to be viable at all.
>Arachnus Las-Blaze:
needs better damage, possibly by changing heavy mode to Strength 8, AP -4 but getting a rule for exoshock that does something like ‘after saves but before damage rolls, roll a d6- on a 4+ target takes d3 mortal wounds’; not insane but gives a nice bump when taking out heavy targets. For the beam mode, I think 2d6 shots would help it, as is there’s no reason (I’ve found) to use the fire mode.
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>>57965829
Yeah because it disrupted the entirety of the tournament meta.

>>57965840
Welcome to Eldar. They have a revolving door of stupidly OP stuff.
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No plebeians allowed
>>57965831
>>57965831
>>57965831
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>>57965783
>It didn't have a leafblower but tyranids literally couldn't kill skimmers.
Except that's completely wrong.
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>>57965805
Jesus anon, I already said this once, and if you can't get it through your thick skull after this, there's nothing more I can say to help you.
"Support is fading" refers to support for it being the favorite edition, not for 40k as a whole.
I already said this once, and it should have been obvious right away.
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>>57965830
>Still no argument
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>>57965850
Yeah, you're definitely thinking of the wrong edition.
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Local FLGS is running a tournament that allows proxies and forgeworld

Do I cheese it?
I have a bunch of Eldar, what's the maximum jank I can bring
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>>57965763
>Correct that doesn't change that re-roll 1s now becomes re-roll 1s and 2s which means captain auras and the like are MUCH more powerful than they currently are.

I genuinely don't give a shit if the meta very minorly changes to make captain bubbles for 1's marginally better if it means that the rules make conceptual and grammatical sense.

This isn't C+ you shouldn't have process blocks that appear invisibly to declare that a thing that missed never missed because it hit even though it never hit.

>Also its still pretty simple, my group had 0 issues with it because we read the rules and applied them.

I don't give a fuck what your group did. My group did not have that easy of a time and GW has had to clarify the rule REPEATEDLY which implies it's badly written and unintuitive.

>Check dice - if successful pull aside
>If unsuccessful re-roll
>Pool successful dice - apply modifiers

Yeah, that's fucking stupid. I don't want The Stack from MTG in 40k just so that we can avoid making "rerol 1's" abilities better. This could be fixed trivially if rolls could be under 1. 1-1=0. It I get to reroll the 2's I guess but I'm not rerolling the 1's anymore. Problem fucking solved. Or they could add 'unmodified' to the actual language of the rules instead of in FAQs.

Like, there is no fucking way it make sense for a chapter master to not reroll a devastators 3. It missed. It gets to reroll. Except it didn't miss even though it never hit so I guess it's left in a quantum state to you.
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>>57965790
Not bad.
It is good to say some things are good are just about perfect, "buff everything" is probably taken as seriously by them as spam
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Is an arc rifle worth taking on a squad of vanguards? Would be my other special weapon. I don’t need plan on taking two calivers
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>>57965961
Or just say you can only re-roll dice with an actual 1 as an result. Because re-roll to hit rolls of ones does not make you consider you also get to re-roll the two, three etc.
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>>57965858
>Except that's completely wrong.

No it isn't. 4th ed nid guns were garbage, wave serpents and devilfish were really tough anyway, and skimmers could only be hit on a 6 in close combat while the nid force had few methods to even glance them. A hive tyrant attacking a skimmer literally all game would average 3 hits, and had maybe a quarter chance to kill with those three hits.

There were entire incredibly effective strategies based around circling skimmers and just firing from behind them with your newly immortal army.

You retard.
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>>57966034
Yeah, I played at least one game against 'nids at a tournament where I did exactly this.

Top of 1 shot his Hive Guard off the board, after that he didn't kill a single model
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>>57966019
Yeah that's why I suggested just adding in a line about unmofied results. It'd be trivial to just say in the base rule book or in a faq "abilities that let you reroll a result on a dice only activate when the number in question is the actual result of the rolled dice before modifiers".

That way 2's dont get into 1's but you don't get the confusion of creating a quantum state where things both do and do not hit.
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>>57966034
You could get pen capable weapons on warriors for cheaper than outfitting a standard space marine with one.
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>>57965677
>>57965726
Eh, thats still a bit too much for me atm. Luckily, i have a bunch of heavy bolters and track pieces left over from my days playing guard and some marine sprues on hand. Think I'll give it a try first before actually paying for the model.
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>>57965426
>literal box of screaming green retards
I love ork players
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>>57966101
>You could get pen capable weapons on warriors for cheaper than outfitting a standard space marine with one.

Any argument that reads "warriors in 4th ed were the solution" is an argument from someone who has no idea just how bad warriors were. It would take like 700 points of warriors firing at a wave serpent to have a chance to kill it and they would NEVER touch it in combat.
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>>57966061
5 warriors with basic bitch toxic sacs and scything talons get .75 glancing and .75 pening results on the charge.
That with shitty melee units attacking a skimmer.
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>>57966339
meant for
>>57966231
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>>57966339
Shitty mellee unit that were almost the cost per model of a terminator attacking a skimmer they had no hope to ever reach given their terrible defensive stats and low speed.

What. A. Great. Idea.
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>>57966374
Give them leaping and they have a threat range of 18 inches.
Not saying they're a great solution to skimmers, quite the opposite.
But your assertion that there's nothing they can do, when basically kitted out ones have a 50% chance to destroy one in 1 turn shows you're wrong.
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>>57966339
Yeah but it was trivial to just kite them and not get into charge range
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>>57966411
Except they could obviously kill them with carnifexes and tyrants and zoanthropes and like 10 other units. But that never happened because you'd have to be insanely lucky and the opponent would have to be insanely dumb.

A tau gunline behind a fish wall is going to table you and they'll kill anything that mathematically has a CHANCE to hurt their tanks. That means they can wipe your hive guard turn 1 and kill the stupid useless t4 warriors at their leisure.

You don't get to have an "aha, i proved ur wrong" moment here by pointing out unrealistic garbage that wouldn't win you a game just because it's mathematically possible on an infinite timeline.
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>>57966413
If we're talking about what actually happened in games, the wave serpents would spend 5 out of 6 turns trying to clear swarms of 6 point models off of objectives, because that's the only way to actually win the game, it it would get like 3 a turn if they were out of cover.

Though I'll also point out that with an 18 inch range, you're getting bullied to the edge of the table prety quickly.
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>>57966532
>If we're talking about what actually happened in games, the wave serpents would spend 5 out of 6 turns trying to clear swarms of 6 point models off of objectives, because that's the only way to actually win the game, it it would get like 3 a turn if they were out of cover.

Incorrect. The serpents were already on those objectives because they move MUCH faster than the swarms and the swarms can't displace them.

>Though I'll also point out that with an 18 inch range, you're getting bullied to the edge of the table prety quickly.

Why would they kite the warriors when they could blow them off the table instantly. They weren't exactly hard to kill.
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>>57966523
>that means they can wipe your hive guard turn 1
Oh, I get it now.
The Eldar and tau in your example play perfectly, and the nids just plop their best shot at anti tank in the open so they can get blasted turn 1 before they can get a chance.
Alright, I've got all I need from you.
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>>57966561
>Incorrect. The serpents were already on those objectives because they move MUCH faster than the swarms and the swarms can't displace them.
No, you can literally just charge the thing and glance it to death with basic gaunts.
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>>57966580
>The Eldar and tau in your example play perfectly, and the nids just plop their best shot at anti tank in the open so they can get blasted turn 1 before they can get a chance.

Hive guard don't exactly have a ton of range anon and fourth ed wasn't full of giant LOS blocking terrain like 8th is. You're not going to be able to hide them from the longer range firepower of either the tau or eldar in 4th.

You know how I know? Because Nids never placed anywhere ever at any point in all of fourth and were considered dead in the water for the entire edition. I mean, damn, laship spam would dumpster them even harder than fish of fury or waveserpent spam. I was just pointing out that a basic unit type invalidated an entire army. It invalidated orks and any other mellee centric force too if it makes you feel any better. They just did marginally better because they had melta/rokkits and power fists.
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>>57966621
>No, you can literally just charge the thing and glance it to death with basic gaunts.

No that's fifth where you hit the back armor. In fourth a gaunt would bounce off of the av12/12 of the front and sides of these tanks. You would basically never get a hit on the rear because they would just back up.

The best part is if you DID manage to blow one up it had a chance of killing your entire squad and making back its points instantly.
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>>57966659

> You're not going to be able to hide them from the longer range firepower of either the tau or eldar in 4th.
Nids anti tank was 36" and the vast vast majority of eldar stuff was that distance or shorter
Not that it matters, because you presenteed this retarded shit as some kind of excuse for why you would leave your best units completely out in the open.

>and fourth ed wasn't full of giant LOS blocking terrain like 8th is.
Bull fucking shit, go read the rules.
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>>57966734
Speaking from experience here, Eldar skimmers and bikes curbstomped 'nids in 4th and 5th ed.

You could easily shoot all their viable antitank off the board turn 1, and even if they got into melee, by the time they did you'd have killed so many of them that they'd do neglible damage.

Sure you might lose a couple of units (although more often than not you'd deliberately sacrifice them to stop them killing anything relevant) but it was a hugely uphill battle for the 'nid player.
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>>57966734
>Nids anti tank was 36" and the vast vast majority of eldar stuff was that distance or shorter

But the eldar stuff was on faster platforms that could move into range when they wanted. It would also take an absurd number of hive guard shots to kill a single wave serpent. They were distantly the games best tank at cost for a reason.

>Not that it matters, because you presenteed this retarded shit as some kind of excuse for why you would leave your best units completely out in the open.

I don't care about your absurdist fantasies. Nids got dumpstered by skimmer spam in fourth. This is incontravertible and your decade too late wisdom is pretty pathetic. Warriors? Just being out of range with hive guard? WOAH HOW DID NO ONE SEE THAT BEFORE?!

>Bull fucking shit, go read the rules.

The rules don't describe what the tables were like in fourth. Your response makes no sense.
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>>57966793
>Eldar stuff was on faster platforms

This. 24" shuriken cannons that could JSJ meant you could get to barely within 24", shoot whatever off the board, and then hop 6" back away, every single turn.
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>>57966683
>The best part is if you DID manage to blow one up it had a chance of killing your entire squad and making back its points instantly.
How would you ever pen in that scenario?
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>>57966791
>You could easily shoot all their viable antitank off the board turn 1
Yes anon, nid players just leave their best chance of victory out in the open for you to kill turn one.
Great argument.
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>>57966848
Assaulting with more than one unit. It's not like the gaunts could choose to leave and the serpent could just sit over an objective and deny them access.

The explosions were more an issue for boyz squads who could pen via power klaw. Or maybe incredibly lucky genestealers.
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>>57966900
>Yes anon, nid players just leave their best chance of victory out in the open for you to kill turn one.
Great argument.

An argument backed up by the history of what actually transpired in that edition, but good luck trying to change history through the force of your belligerence. I'm sure you have the secret that Tyranid players didn't back then because you spent like eight seconds thinking of "warriors".
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>>57965507
>Looking for a free Mechanicum audiobook download.
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>>57966919
>It's not like the gaunts could choose to leave
Yes they can, what crack are you smoking?
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>>57966900
I don't know what to tell you man. Nids did struggle.

As an Eldar player, I had shit like scouting War Walkers coming in from the side of the board, and Jetbikes boosting a million miles, so it was usually pretty hard to block LOS completely.

I mean sometimes I didn't kill all their antitank, but it was usually not that hard to at least cripple it and take negligible damage in return.
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>>57966946
>An argument backed up by the history of what actually transpired in that edition,
Yes anon, I get it, all the eldar and tau players were gods who danced perfectly around the range of their enemies and never lost a model, while the nids blundered around the table getting killed off turn 1.
Whatever you say.
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>>57966988
Shitty Eldar players definitely existed, but kiting is probably one of the easiest things to learn
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>>57966970
>Nids did struggle.
This was never an argument about that.
It was an argument that
>"tyranids literally couldn't kill skimmers. Ever."

And after I've given tons of examples, it all just doesn't count because
>lol they just get shot turn 1 and die or lmao just run away even though I also said that I'm swarming the objectives
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>>57966988
>Yes anon, I get it, all the eldar and tau players were gods who danced perfectly around the range of their enemies and never lost a model, while the nids blundered around the table getting killed off turn 1.

Yes. That and the fact that it would take like 4 rounds of firing to kill one wave serpent with a squad of tyrant guard that cost MORE. Meanwhile your ground troops literally couldn't scratch them.

It's as if they didn't need magic super skill because they have the rules of the game and simple point cost advantages to make the tyranids look free as hell.


>>57966970
Don't bother, he didn't play in the edition and doesn't even know what jsj was, let alone how easy it would be to muster 12 bright lances at 2k that could hit anywhere on the board turn 1.
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>>57967019
Your assburgers are showing, I think.
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>>57967030
You picked up on that too?
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>>57966950
PLEASE RESPOND
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>>57967027
>That and the fact that it would take like 4 rounds of firing to kill one wave serpent with a squad of tyrant guard that cost MORE.
>4 rounds of firing
>tyrant guard
???
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>>57967030
>the thing I said is wrong, so you have mental problems
Sure thing chief
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>>57967065
Yeah this is how people can tell you didn't play in fourth and have no idea what abilities wave serpents or skimmers had.

But this thread is dead and I'm tired so if I gotta let some huge foreheaded mongoloid make up history so he can claim bugs beat serpent spam in fourth despite it happening globally fewer times than i have fingers thats ok.

G'night.
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>>57967103
>Yeah this is how people can tell you didn't play in fourth and have no idea what abilities wave serpents or skimmers had.
Oh, you're leaving to spare yourself the shame and retardation of the fact that guard were MELEE ONLY IN FORTH EDITION
Got it.
Go ahead and run away now.
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>>57966955
>Talking about glancing and penetrating hits
>Must be talking about 8th!
Context clues, Jesus.

Back when you hit tanks on whatever AV was facing you and you had to deal with Glance/Pen hits vehicles were stupid resilient to melee, especially if it was 4th ed skimmers you only hit on 6s in melee and could only glance at range if they moved. I played Tau back then and I knew that shit was bullshit, I didn't put flechettes on my tanks because assaulting them was so terrible. Holofield falcons were somehow worse to deal with, and they carried dragons or clowns back when they were really scary.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just nostalgic. Rending really used to mean something and PF sarges had like 5 attacks on the charge, it was silly. I don't miss target priority though.

>>57967103
No don't leave me here; you know what it means to fight Iron Warriors, Holofalcons, and Fish of Fury. These guys don't even know about the Force Organization Chart or needing an opponent's permission for Special Characters, they just take them.
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>>57967176
>>Must be talking about 8th!
???
Vehicles in 4th didn't get locked in combat with infantry.
Totally confused by what you said.
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>>57967255
I had to go get the book. Vehicles could move off normally and tank shock or what have you, but if they stuck the combat continued. It rarely happened and was a bad idea since non walkers didn't participate in combat at all, but I don't remember if they infantry could just shove off. Moot point, but if you're right my bad. It's been a long time and I started with Tau so I didn't learn the rules for close combat for about two years.
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>>57962656
>>57962633
>>57962620
only reason to stand like that is if he needs to go somewhere or charge something - make it dynamic. so im a fan of 4.




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