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Infinity is a 28mm scale futuristic skirmish game by Corvus Belli where sometimes all that stands between you and death is a screaming medic, who may or may not be qualified for the job.

>All the rules are for free. Buying the books is only relevant for fluff:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/archive.php

>Catalog of fluff, dossiers, and unit models
https://human-sphere.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

>Rules wiki:
http://www.infinitythewiki.com/en/Main_Page

>Rules Wiki Offline Backup:
https://mega.nz/#!Dxs3VbKQ!_tRgLeIszkdMBvnpCFE4xHELtngLRL26cexppwmAIws

>Official Army Builder:
https://army.infinitythegame.com/

>Token Generator:
http://inf-dice.ghostlords.com/markers/

>N3 Hacker Helper:
http://www.captainspud.com/n3hacking/

>Batreps:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzrPO7KIAtwXlOUh545nq21WQaW7YxuGc
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO-Uv_G4cY91ZfMy3rWOKDQL1cl7YyYzf
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf5JWn6xciCkYcBaTLGs6_FmFiZtCk2zm
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=gL0RY70TH3C0mb1n3DaRmyToH44sUck

>Terrain:
http://pastebin.com/Hy9SRkmJ
http://pastebin.com/PJaETXMV

>Faction Rundown:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/mqaaf5fosmti5b4/Infinity_Faction_Rundown_v.1.3.rtf

>All Consolidated Rules:
https://www.mediafire.com/?xm5aqb4sdx4g446

>Operation Icestorm Scan (beginner missions)
https://mega.nz/#!AkkG0ZZA!CE-YzCWIWVROcSnnlkZI8SMWxWoNb1LkFbWI-LamYR8

>The RPG Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/corvus-bellis-infinity-roleplaying-game

>WIP Tactica
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Infinity_Tactics

>RPG Character Creation
http://infinity.modiphiusapps.hostinguk.org/

>released RPG books (+ a couple scans)
https://mega.nz/#F!8pRURayK!Kj16fd7nQhEcaId8hKD4oA

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>>59173387
Topic of the day: Brawler doctors, yay or nay?
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Reminder that we have the Uprising timeline and Merc unit fluff in the OP scan directory.
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>>59173402
Can be good linked in Ikari or maybe Druze, otherwise nay. StarCo and Ikari have better solo docs to choose from, and DBS doesn't usually need or want one.
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>>59173387
Always loved this picture. I remember it was in the first edition book
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>StarCo has three different Engineers
>PanO still only has one
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>>59173577
Helot engis for Varuna when
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>>59173759
>Helots
Ohm
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>>59173577
>No Acon Wip 13 engineer
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>>59174243
>the Acon Regular-based Dire Foe
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>>59173402
Paying 20 points for a Doctor when there is one for 14 point Alternative in Ikari and Starco does not make sense, unless you are bringing it in a Haris. Druze has no choice as they are the only option so the debate is over in that regard..
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>>59174302
If the Aconicimento dire foe isn't Arnie from predator I will be incredibly disappointed.
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>>59174372
But muh links!
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>>59174381
Who should the various missing spec-ops be? That's the Acon Regular, Zhanshi, Hafza, Metro, Line Kazak, Moderator, Securitate, and Brawler.

Jean-Calude van Damme as the Metro?
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>>59174525
>Zhanshi
It is possible Xi Zhuang will be in a Zhanshi link just like Leila is in both Ghulam and Muyib.
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>>59174525
Also maybe Kamau.
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>>59174544
Yes, but he's the CG-based Dire Foe.
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>>59174426
But Sevant Bots
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>>59174544
I doubt it, wouldn't make much sense. Besides, Leila is still a Ghulam, and there's another DF ostensibly based on Muyibs. Zhuang linking with Zhanshi wouldn't stop the Zhanshi DF from being made.

>>59174525
Kamau and Halqa could possibly get one, and whoever they end up putting in Dakini links (probably Devas). A Zuyong would be hilarious but unlikely.
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>>59174720
>here's another DF ostensibly based on Muyibs
Yasbir.
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>>59174525
How would a Brawler dire foe even work? Brawlers are generic thugs for three unrelated armies.
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>>59174749
It's what the Druze release article said. Something like "Brawlers will be our spec-ops".
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>>59174754
>>59174749
And the logic is that all the Dire Foes are special technically-illegal spec-ops, so if something's a spec-op it's available as a base for Dire Foes.
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>>59174525
Zuyong
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>>59174640
Never where they need to be.
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>>59174525
What would you like to see on an Acon Regular Engineer character lads? Panzerfaust or an E/Mitter maybe with minelayer for low 20s points?
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>>59175212
[Spoiler]1 SWC[/spoiler]
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Anyone got any tips or pitfalls to avoid when magnetizing Yaokong remotes?
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>>59173577
Starcon has 1. Brawler.
Then they borrow one from Ariadna and Nomads.
Brawler isn't even out yet.
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>Brawlers are cheap chump thugs
>still as good at doctoring and engineering as PanO
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>>59175517
What I'm curious about is why the heck they have such high BTS and to a lesser extent Armor, BS, and PH.
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>>59175575
Acquired over the years of mercenary work.
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I finished Tarik and Penny. Gonna use her as a Zuleyka proxy.
Next up, some Fidays.

What is on your painting table?
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>>59176113
About to pick up my first models any moment now!
Arriving in my mail today!
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https://youtu.be/I0CMh6-Re0A
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>>59176113
Working on a MULTI Rifle Zuyong and a HMG Hsien.

Just finished up the armour highlighting, so it's mostly the red and brown details left.
And of course, the base edge.
Will post pics once they're done.

Next in the queue after that is both Su-Jian forms.
I've got the grey I use for the mechanical parts done on those, so that's mostly doing the yellow on the armour and some red details on those too, unless I wanna get fancy with markings.
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>>59176305
Impressive, very nice
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>>59175282
I didn't say he was an FO
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>>59175517
That tells you more about the absolute state of PanO then anything.
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>>59176570
Pan-O aren't sending their best.
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>>59176694
>haha, yeah it's not like we want our military to be competent or anything.
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Which infinity model would be most appropriate to have standing on top of a pile of skulls?
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>>59176751
Some Morat, probably a Daturazi or Oznat.
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>>59176751
>>59176766
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>>59176751
Angus
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>>59176766
>>59176783
>>59176785
>not pic related
For shame.
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>>59176728
You have to be "special" kind of person to join military in a nation as comfy as PanO.
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>>59176996
>no pic
Shame
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>>59177018
FUCK!
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>>59173333

He's just a tough motherfucker. "Bulletproof survival instinct," after all.
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>>59177001
Yeah, I mean, isn't the average Work week like twelve hours? At least that's what I remember hearing. Sounds pretty comfy.

And besides, the "Smart" Engineers and Doctors would be working for corporate in an air conditioned office building and not out in a field with soldiers.
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Why are people saying Irmandinhos are Kazak?
They seem spanish or french.
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>>59177392
They work for/with the Kazaks.
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>>59177392
They are part of the Kazak army even if they are Galician.
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So what's that off black armor color in Ikari color schemes supposed to be? When I see the models it looks a bit blue-green like GW's Dark Reaper but I'm not too sure. Should I just give up trying to guess and paint the base coat VMC Black Grey? Are there even explicit statements on what colors they were or are we to just infer from that pic with the Wardriver, Cube Jaeger, and yuan Yuan?
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>>59177445

Coal Black maybe?
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>>59177422
>>59177401
Oh!
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>>59173047
Yep. I've been running him more or less as open information for years now.
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>>59173433
Thanks to the anon who took the photos.
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>>59177592
Awesome!
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>>59177392
While they aren't Russian, they are heavily implied to essentially be a part of High Command's intelligence network. They're Galician smugglers who more or less are responsible for running Ariadna's black market and who have a presence just about everywhere on the planet. In the other Ariadnan states, in the off-world colonies and outposts. Who better to keep tabs on your enemies' intelligence operations than those smugglers that everyone's using to get people and goods where they aren't supposed to be?
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>>59176113
about 200 points of primed morats. I qm having a loy of trouble wiyh color schemes. I tried several schemes on a test model and didn't like how they came pit, and already had to strip the paint off sone of the morats once already. I don't know how people glaze over white primer and get it looking so good and not washed out.
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>>59176314
HI done.

Opinions?
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concrete bollards made of actual concrete
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>>59172093
>Aristeia! Underground
>Raoul confirmed "Infinity crossover character" in Aristeia! From The Shadows
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>>59178085
carlos said the cross over character was supposed to be a woman, maybe Raoul got a woman l host ?
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>>59178409
Ah.
>Ko Dali confirmed
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>>59178409
When did he say this?
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>>59177849
Glazes can be tricky. You want your paint about the same consistency as washes or thinner and apply many thin layers. Make sure to let it dry between layers. It takes a while before the colour builds up nicely.

This tutorial is pretty helpful when it comes to glazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-04zUDKYQ

Second half of this video has an example of glazing over white:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RmFhHAdSI

>>59178068
I like them! They seem a bit dark but that might just be the lighting. I personally would suggest adding an additional smaller layer of highlighting on some of the the sword's edges. Makes it pop that much more
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>>59178068
Almost nothing wrong. Everything is well applied, but the Vest of the Zuyong is the wrong color. It's usually different from the armor, like the Dark Turquise one usually uses for cloth, because it /is/ cloth (hence all the wrinkles).

And it looks like you kind of gave up or got lazy with the Hsien's sword. Maybe at least give it a red glaze.

Otherwise you pretty much nailed it.
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>>59177783
No problem. It's by no means a good idea to just openly inform your opponents about that shit, but I don't really give a damn. Everyone at the store knows they're Gagarin's boys, so who else is going to give the orders?

For real though, the Vet Kazak AP HMG Lt is just a wonderful pick. It cuts off a full point of SWC to make it only cost 1 which means that you can still run 3 of some hellish mixture of Spetsnaz and Tankhunters. It's also an incredibly durable model, between the 4 ARM, Mimetism, Suppression, and NWI. It's also a great model to actually take advantage on that Lt order, especially later on in the game if you still need something to cut down some enemies. You don't want to be leading the charge with him -- that's what Antipodes, Dog-Warriors, Spetsnaz HMG, BSG Scouts, and Rifle Vets are for -- but if you've been whittled down to nothing, he can still hammer the enemy on the last round. And in the meantime, he's keeping your chunk of the board safe and secure, with Suppression making him almost immovable if you placed him well.

There are, however, a few other decent options for Lts in a pure Kazak list. Mostly built around survivability, rather than any sort of real power. Scouts and Tankhunters are solid enough, though the Tankhunter costs an SWC which makes it a bit of a pisser. Scout's free, but a little more risky. Line Kazaks are possibly, but unless you're wasting your time with bringing 3 basic bitches along, it's not going to be much of a surprise if you have 2-3 FO's and one regular Line Kazak.
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>>59178548
>Vest of the Zuyong is the wrong color.
>Wrong color
>Wrong
Don't listen to this guy
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>>59178720
>>59178548
It's sculpted as fabric.

He's painted it as armour.

I'm not so autistic to say that every model should follow the CB studio scheme, but that anon has a point.
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>>59178548
Forgot Dossier Pic.

>>59178720
C'mon man, it's obviously painted like Armor when it's meant to be painted like cloth, and the two models overall are emulating the Vanilla style.

Paint it a leathery brown, red, grey, Khaki, or whatever, but just differently from the armor
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>>59178720
He does have a point though, it's painted to be like armour plating when it's cloth. Makes it look pretty weird. It seems more like a silly mistake than a conscious decision.

That's pretty obviously not the blind autist who demanded that everything be painted in the official scheme.
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>>59178486
adepticon seminar. Referred to character as her and she.
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>>59178887
Just to add my two cents, I honestly couldn't tell you that was cloth on the dude's picture. Just looked like a metal breastplate.
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New Shasvastii when?
Also I wanna snag these minis, what can I use to fill or balance out these guys? I own both the morat aggression squad and onyx contact force as of right now.
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>>59177036
That's rad.

Might be the first CB model I pick up in a while, would need to file off the sword or out right replace the backpack though.
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>>59178542
>>59178548
>>59178840
Thanks for the feedback.

I do agree the sword could use some work and yeah, I'd honestly forgotten that chest part was supposed to be cloth.

Guess it's time to correct some shit so it doesn't bother me, because that would frustrate me every time I look at it now.

Another reason to have some other people look at a mini before deciding it's properly finished.
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Are there any 3rd party tournament managers. I want to run a non-ITS event.
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NBW on Father knights and Teutons when CB?
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>>59179207
Miranda Ashcroft, perhaps?
Honestly struggling to think of named Ladies who'd step into the ring.
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>>59180335
Harris and Magister links when?
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Y'know, while I definitely understand Ariadnafags being incensed that they did absolutely nothing during the Uprising on Dawn which saw PanO reopening military bases, asserting air superiority, and more or less just illegally doubling their presence on the planet. But what strikes me as even more retarded and a great example of Gautier being a hack is ALEPH.

ALEPH isn't even mentioned a single time in the timeline, even including the section of Uprising where the JSA are willfully destabilizing the Human Sphere's presence on Paradiso by fucking around with their pissant insurgency on the frontlines of the war with the alien race that wants to exterminate us all. Just what?
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>>59180335
Why yes I would love to see Father Knights explode punch stuff to death with D-Charges
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>>59180321

What do you mean "3rd party tounament managers"? Are you looking for advice on how to set it up?
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>>59180830
another preferably web-based tournament organizer for non-ITS Infinity.

How do people run YAMs or Recon tourneys?
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>>59180971
Why do you need a web service for that?
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>>59180971
>web-based tournament organizer for non-ITS Infinity
Why, though? There's no need for a web platform to manage a YAMS or a 20x20 tournament. Just a whiteboard or a piece of paper.
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>>59180971
>Recon
Speaking of, how is Recon? Seems like it could be interesting, but then it also seems like it'd just devolve into "how quickly can a pump out 10 orders into 150 points."
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>>59181041
>>59181100
I'm just lazy.
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>>59181247
Also it's going to be non-ITS but still CB missions. I don't like YAMs or Recon
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>>59181202
It's definitely pretty wonky. Doing something like limited Combat Groups to 8 orders might make it a little less janky, but Recon ends up feeling like a completely different beast that allows kurwa to be even a bit more toxic.

>>59181269
>running a non-ITS tournament using ITS rules
Whew, lad. Also, use 20x20, you coon.
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>>59176751
Trauma-Doc.
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>>59181307
>20x20
no thanks. I was going to run a tourney with Dire Foes missions to mix things up. Won't be sanctioned event, but same prize support (tourney kit and store credit)

>>59181202
It's wonky at best. It's got a big following in PA, but we're not fans at my store.
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>>59180214
Did a bit more work on em.
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>>59180792
I mean even without em it's still a dmg 14 DA weapon, but with NBW he becomes either cc 26 vs mooks or cc 23 while canceling cc skills against specialists. supah solid cc .
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>>59181647
That’s some based as fuck green anon, you’re a good sport for fixing your zuyong
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>>59181647
Also a rear shot (including a Ninja for reasons) someone else asked for elsewhere.

>>59181966
Thanks.
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>>59178462
>even sports are not safe from the EI
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>>59181647
>>59182005

Everything is right in the world.
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Which sectorial to go for Haqq?
Which is the most fun?

On an unrelated note,how do you varnish your minis? (question for painters limited to brush)
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>>59182489
The answer is always Hassassins. Muyib core + Lasiq + 3 Fiday.
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>>59182489
I like the looks of the Hassassin.
They've got a lot of interesting option and really favour asymmetrical trading.

As for varnish, I generally use Army painter spray varnish.
Avoid GW spray varnish like the plague, the smallest variations in temperature or humidity will have your minis fogging up.
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>>59182322
>even in the Hexadome, the YJ tears still flow
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>>59176751
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>>59182741
>not bracing your sniper rifle on your gore-soaked axe
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>>59182489
Haqqislam has a lot of strengths in and out of sectorials. QK has the one disadvantage of generally older models but still has a lot of fun with the links, Yuan Yuan, and Hafza. I'd say it's more fun that HB, even though I like Muyibs and Asawira a lot. Ramah Taskforce is pretty solid even without sectorial rules, Naffaturn a great line troop, Saladin a great Lt, Khawarij, Zhayedan, Tarik, and the Maghariba are a lot of fun.

As for brush on primer, I usually do a a coat of gloss over edgy areas that touch things often like the top of helmets/hair and weapons, and then two coats of matt varnish all over (or just one coat when I'm lazy).

Also keep in mind you can mix the two without the paints exploding. It gets you a semi-gloss finish which may be what you're looking for. And the most common mistake with brush on varnish is not thinning it out with enough water or letting it pool.
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>>59182532
Nice deployment zone. Be a shame if something happened to it.
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>>59182786
Won't a second application of varnish dissolve the one below? Which brand do you use?
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>>59182930
>No, just let it dry between coats for at least nine minutes.
>The one in the picture of the post I was replying to.
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>>59180661
implying the kuge aren't aleph aspects
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>>59181247

Don't worry, a whiteboard is tried and true.
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>>59180661

Possibly ALEPH thought that Yu Jing was a threat and had to be weakened.

I know how I'd write, it, though, which is that O-12 wanted to weaken Yu Jing and managed to prevent ALEPH from acting.
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>>59182489
QUAPU KALI

BASHI BAZOUUUUUUUUUU
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>>59183164
Why would O-12 ever intentionally destabilize the balance of power in the Human Sphere and allow PanO to more or less become the undisputed super-duper-power? I thought the entire point of having PanO and Yu Jing was to have them balance against one another, keeping either one from simply becoming the dominant force in the Human Sphere. Two dueling dragons that are more concerned with keeping the other in check which allowed the lesser powers a bit of breathing room instead of just, "Today, PanO decided to eliminate Ariadna."
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>>59183110
Aren't the Kuge just high-level Japanese bureaucrats?
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>>59183302

Perhaps because it thinks it can control PanO better than it can control Yu Jing.

Or maybe since CA won B4ckd00r there's infiltration of O-12.
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>>59183317
yes anon, but gutiers writing is so deep, complex and grey that anyone could be anything, even you...
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>>59183392
That's pretty dumb, though. How could they better control a nation-state with zero competition better than one with a roughly-equal competitor vying for power?
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>>59173433
I was not surprised but still disappointed at how hard mayacast shilled the book.
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>>59183468

Perhaps PanO's MayaNet integration and celebrity worship, where they beam the emotions of what are basically internet celebrities into their heads, makes their populace extremely easy to control. Yu Jing's ideas about tradition and duty to a nation-state distinct from O-12 are poison to the kind of inverted totalitarianism that O-12 wants to create...

This is all hypothetical, of course. It's what I might write, but Gutier isn't that thoughtful.
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>>59183552
It'd be nice if they made any indication of any of this in the 181 page book detailing the Uprising. Hell, a section purely devoted to what the various powers-that-be saw in the revolution, what they hoped to gain, and especially why some did absolutely nothing would be nice to have to make the event feel less two-dimensional. Why didn't ALEPH step in at all? Why didn't Ariadna do anything at all other than yell about it on the news? There's just so much shit that seems as though Gutier simply never considered or didn't bother considering in the course of Uprising. The entire book just feels half-assed and shallow.
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>>59183668
that is what a lot of infinity fluff feels like
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>>59183668
>The entire book just feels half-assed and shallow.
That would be because it is. CB wanted to shake up the game, so they decided to have the japs rebel and figure out the reason afterwards
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>>59183962
I think it less why but how they rebel that's the problem.
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>>59183962
It just feels so forced. Yes, the Japanese were always geared up for a revolution against their Yu Jing masters, but that was part of what made the Japanese interesting. Ninjas dispatching incompetent Yu Jing officers that ordered waves of Japanese conscripts to charge HMG positions, the Japanese fighting to keep their individuality against the oppression of the State Empire. Now the Japanese are just completely bland and uninteresting, since they've just turned them into State Empire Jr with Kempeitai just being an even more one-dimensional version of the ISS.
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Hopefully Modiphius' Yu Jing book has some interesting shit on the Uprising. I wouldn't count on it, though, it'll be mostly location descriptions and lifepath/gear.
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>>59185245
>if you're Han Chinese, you're forced to roll on an Event table
>1-10, you're deeply apologetic for your people's harsh treatment of the innocent Japanese
>11-20, you were killed by a noble ninja for being an intolerant bigot
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>>59176113
Those are looking sweet!
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>>59185245
implying it won't be uprising 2
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>>59185532
>Uprising 2: Gooks and Boat People
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>>59185333
>book swings violently between "dirty traitors must all die" and "noble Japanese dindus"

>>59185591
>Shentang section spends a great deal of time emphasising how dumb all the other ethnicities think the Japs are for uprising
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>Acheron Falls introduces new YJ units
>among them a Japanese-Chinese fusion
>"formed of those Nipponese that have proven themselves trustworthy enough to the State-Empire to be allowed to form their own special unit, as opposed to being scattered throughout the regular units "
Y/N?
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>>59185847
No. Plus, that's literally just Ninjas.
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>>59185847
Yes.
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If Yojimbo works for both Ikari Company and JSA:
Which was is Ushitora, and which one is Seibei?
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>>59185847
Nah, only reason to have them form their own fancy ethnic unit is to keep the capabilities of some JSA regiments, and it's too late for that. Even for Karakuri for some deeply retarded reason.
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>>59183668
I think that this Uprising books are the beta version of the fluff. And CB expect that RPG books would dig it deeper.
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>>59187249
That's fucking stupid though, given the only reason to buy the book is fluff.
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>>59186890
>Even for Karakuri for some deeply retarded reason.

Karakuris are literally shitty version of the Su Jian. I don't think there's many reasons for YJ to keep them around, especially when JSA's already gone brexit. The only reason we have is the crunch reason.
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>>59187298
Well, its CB.

And to be honest thought, the book being shit is skubtastic at best. Good chunk of player think it was pretty good, some people think its meh. Just saying it from experience.
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>>59187308
Su Jian doesn't do riot control, it's a totally different kind of unit even in fluff.
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>>59187409
I haven't seen anyone at all legitimately saying that the book is good on 4chan other than internet contrarians and my FLGS is unified in thinking it's shitty and poorly-written. Maybe WarCors are trying to praise it as a work of art, but anyone with a brain that isn't slurping at paella-flavored cock for the chance to be turned into a miniature is coming down hard on it.
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>>59187479
Karakuris only do riot control in JSA m8. And JSA is gone now
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>>59187565
Just put different silly hats on them and let them doing Riot Control in the rest of Shentang. Silly little Thai farmer hats with a portrait of the King on their chest for the Thai, a nón lá for the Vietnamese, a cute Mongol fur hat for the Mongorians, etc. Besides, there's still Japs under Yu Jing control on Shentang.
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>>59187493
Dude, 4chan and your LGS is not the only place in the world that play infinity. Some people like it, deal with it.
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>>59187308
>Karakuris are literally shitty version of the Su Jian.
Except smaller, almost half the price, Specialist Status, Immunity, and a cooler theme (face it: Robot Geishas are more palatable than Pseudo One-Bot Voltron)
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>>59187493
>I haven't seen anyone at all legitimately saying that the book is good on 4chan other than internet contrarians and my FLGS is unified in thinking it's shitty and poorly-written
It is at this point we must remember that most people haven't read it at all, so most of that is knee-jerking.
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>>59187682
Thats a crunch m8, read my post again.
Puting Geisha in everybody face will do you no good especially when good chunk of them literally hate japs.
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>>59186885
Why is his name "Bodyguard" and not 30-year-old-mulberry-tree?
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>>59187721
The entire timeline was posted on /tg/ last night.
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>>59187736
Again, just redesign the chasis with some new bits and bobs ala >>59187617. Toss on a prayer-wheel head for Tibetans. Just make shit as comically offensive to the various states of Shentang as you can.
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>>59187882
A whole 15-odd pages of a 181-page book. Wow.
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>>59177849
>am loy wiyh pit sone
anon stop phoneposting please
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>>59187921
Right. And that 15-odd pages were poorly written and generally shitty, laughed at by pretty much everyone that read them in how nonsensical and half-assed everything was. Are we not allowed to make fun of a shitty timeline because we haven't gotten to see the fluff profile for Raoul?
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>>59187989
Raoul was posted as well, he's actually kinda cool.
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lets play a game, create a unit concept you think would be a good fit for the game.

>Unit Name: "something based in history or mythology"
>Lore:
>Special rules or stats:

I'll go first

Dahomey Amazons

The all female 27th regiment of the Beninese expeditionary army become infamous for their brutal guerrilla engagements against the combined army. When the Beninese began withdrawing their forces the 27th instead opted to offer their experience on private markets.

Dogged
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>>59188057
I'd be impressed in they managed to fuck up someone that fuckin' rad.
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>>59188072
>Africans
>relevant in Infinity, outside of some Masai warirors in the Nomads
lmao
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>>59187989
Yes. Maybe page 15 (which is inside the JSA section but outside the timeline section) has stuff on what Ariadna and ALEPH were thinking.
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>>59188214
As shitty as the writing is that's been leaked, I doubt it.
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>>59188298
You just don't want to entertain the possibility that the book isn't shit.
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>>59188369
>everything I've seen so far related to the Uprising is shit
>maybe there's something good that hasn't been scanned
>odds are, there's just more unscanned shit
Yeah, I'll go with my gut on this one and base my assumption on the fluff that I've read rather than hoping that there's a Hemingway short-story from the point of view of an SAS operative caught in the conflict.
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>>59188139
>>59188139
just because CB isn't creative doesn't mean we have to be the same
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>>59173387
Who dat cute boi in da OP?
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>>59188139
Masai Warriors, Bandits, Daktari, Tuaregs, Druze, Bashi Bazouks all have extents of African Influence. PanO, Nomads, and Haqqislam all have some minor African influence.

>>59188483
It's in the flipping filename
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>>59188483
> boi
Anon... I...
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>>59188483
I think all the trap porn is affecting your mind.
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>>59188418
>the currently revealed fluff leaves me with questions
>is it possible that the unscanned fluff answers these questions and makes things make sense?
>no
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>>59189149
Go back to the forums, WarCor.
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>>59189556
>somebody isn't entirely convinced the book is shit
>must be a warcor
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>>59189149
That's true though. Those 15 pages are the most important pages since they detail the big important events, and they're densely packed with retarded bullshit. Even if half the book is dedicated to damage control for that timeline and explaining everything, much of it will still seem contrived and moronic, because the only way for these events to happen is for a writer to decide that they happened before going back to make up an excuse.

The book might largely be better written than what we've seen, sure. There's probably even some neat stuff buried in there. But I'm not holding out hope, and it's pretty much impossible at this point to salvage it into a really positive thing simply because of the important events in those 15 pages.
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>>59186885
Looks like Jack Nicholson.
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Reading the posted pages from last night

>>59171014

I've heard of the White Banner, which are IIRC the Troops on Svalarheima/Huang Di that are like Zhanshi, Guilang, Shaolin Monks and other "Classic" non-IA Yu Jing units but what are the Red and Yellow Banner?
>>59171190
Now there's a Green one? On HuangDi where the White Banner's supposed to be?
I'm confused

>>59171234
First Haqqislam was allied against the StateEmpire on Dec 29 but then they protected StateEmpire troops in retreat on December 17.

Wait a minute, those dates seem off, why is it skipping from 10 to 13 to 29 to six and 10 again?

>>59171357
>Fukku Task Force

What a name.

Beltway battles sound kind of interesting
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>>59190105
Christ, I hadn't noticed that the dates were that fucked. That doesn't really make any sense at all.

As far as the Banners, I'm assuming they're just ripping off the Eight Banner Armies from Qing Dynasty China. They'd probably ignore the bordered banners, and end up with just four. White, Blue, Red, and Yellow.
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>>59189902
I picked up the book at adepticon and the "uprising" fluff is totally phoned in and rushed. The timeline is the better part of it.

The faction overview of JSA and the merc companies is pretty good though. If you buy this as a codex for the armies in it, it's a good buy.

If you are buying this as a sourcebook for the uprising event... You will be disappointed.
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>>59190105
The dates are reset to a new chronology for each city they are describing. The ISS getting Pearl Harbored is mentioned like 6 times because of this.
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>>59190060
>Cannot unsee.
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>>59190105
>what are the Red and Yellow Banner?
YJ regular army is divided into a bunch of banners, it's never been explained much. White is Svalarheima, Yellow and Red are apparently Earth and Mars respectively. Green showed up on both Svalarheima and Paradiso, so it might be more of a specialised or scattered one used to support. Hard to say though.

It's fucking weird seeing all the jap wank juxtaposed with what is essentially the entire Human Sphere using JSA as an excuse to drag Yu Jing into a back alley and beat the shit out of it.

>>59190208
>They'd probably ignore the bordered banners, and end up with just four. White, Blue, Red, and Yellow.
It's possible that they made up new banners. Maybe as part of YJ's attempt to modernise they even recognised green and blue as different colours, that'd be mad
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>>59190377
>
It's fucking weird seeing all the jap wank juxtaposed with what is essentially the entire Human Sphere using JSA as an excuse to drag Yu Jing into a back alley and beat the shit out of it.

Like we needed much of an excuse.
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>>59190377
Honestly, I'd even be fine with that if there were also a couple potshots taken at PanO in the process who's doing pretty much all of the heavy-lifting for the Japs.
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>>59190477
Was Steel Wall somehow approved legally by O12? Because if not, YJ has a pretty good case for destroying any PanO airbases it can. You know, with the illegal invasion and attacks on YJ territory.
If it was legally approved by O12 then the chinks might as well just go join CA right now.
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>>59190598
It's probably still being debated. It's only been six months, the preliminary report on the necessity of an inquest has only just been turned in.
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>>59190298
What are the other bits of the JSA section, anyway? The current state of Great Japan, area descriptions for Kuraimori, Japanese Mars, etc., and updated unit fluff?
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>>59190598
What, you think that O-12 would stand up for those racist bigots in the State Empire instead of just letting PanO invade YJ territory and break the Commercial Conflict treaties? The State Empire shoot innocence Japanese civilians. They blew up a dam. O-12 has a moral obligation to look the other way.
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>>59191011
I think I recall an anon here saying most holdings on Mars and Earth were evacuated, the JSA held that island on Dawn and another patch of ground somewhere else but that's about it. I could be way off on that but that's what I recall.
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>>59191380
>Jap
>Innocent

Oh wow, i don't know that lil' missy Angus is coming here to play today.
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>>59191011
kuraimori is under martial law and billions of Jap's are getting turned into wontons every day by the evil iSS its another hiroshima
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>>59191486
>I could be way off on that
Considering that the seat of the new DaiNippon is Japan itself, I think you are.

>>59191734
>iSS
Armour manufactured by Foxconn.
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>>59191734
Dōshiyō, it's gonna be another Hiroshima! Haha, good gaijin, supporting the innocent and defenseless Japanese!
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>>59191734
>its another hiroshima
If only
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>>59191848
the nip cries out as he uprises you
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>>59178542
>that first video
so it looks like my issues were
>overthinned paint until it became a wash instead of a glaze
>not being patient enough
I guess I just need to accept that the color will be weak for the first few coats, and also to not thin the paint all the way until it runs
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Will we really have to wait until next year for the Invincible Army?
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>>59192199
Of course not. Acheron Falls is going to be timed to coincide with Acheron Cascade for the RPG, which is Wave 3 I believe, so about 2040.
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>>59192199
All signs point to yes.
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>>59192199
Don't be ridiculous. You're not getting it that early.
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>>59192199
>implying
Friend, you're thinking far too soon. Kazak players have been waiting since 2012. Vedic players since 2013. If you haven't waited at least half of a decade, you don't deserve a sectorial.
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>>59192359
>laughing OCF
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which faction has the best qt?
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>>59192359
Ariadna hasn't lost a third of its profiles
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>>59192199
Just buy more ISS models, goy
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>>59192671
CA in all the ways that matter.
>four flavours of red musclegirl
>tomboy drop units and devoted trackers
>green girls who can be anybody you want, a green girl who has partially mimicked the power of the greatest man in the Human Sphere, leotard-wearing green girl, all from a species largely driven by making sure their species survives easily spun into breeder kink, and you can include futa if you want to by saying their mods (or whatever the Corax has) didn't remove that part of their anatomy
>asian
>schoolgirl
>AI empress
We control the qts, we control the fetishes.
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>>59192749
>four flavours of red musclegirl
Don't forget their glorious hair.
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>>59192749
>asian
Soon to include many asians. CA has a rather limited HI selection after all, it's a deal that works out well for both parties.
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>>59192800
Too bad the *faction I don't like* is already in bed with the aliens.
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>>59190060
Oh fuck, he really does.
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>>59192671
>Of course, mon frere, if there are good reasons for enlisting in the AEC and going out there, they are the women. It may seem an exaggeration, but they are all very hot. C'est incroyable! And while it's so difficult to choose, there are some for all tastes. PanOceanians are quite sexy but they are all affected poseurs. If you like the exotic and hysterical kind, you have Yu Jing. The Haqqislamite chicks are the ones that smell the best, they are as pretty as they are delicious. O-12's public servants are very hot in the manner of a sexy librarian. And the Nomads...mon dieu! Nomads are all strange. Very, very strange..."

>Adjudant (Warrant Officer) Jean-Fransois Dunan, Zouaves, Regiment Special d'Intervention, on his return from his first tour in the AEC. A week later he signed up for his second tour.
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>>59192756
>red alium muscle cutie will never strangle you with her hair while she crushes your pelvis underneath her iron toned thighs and glutes
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>>59192671
It's between Haqq, SP, and Ariadna for me
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>>59192671
PanO has the best bois (uwu) hands down
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>>59192671
haqq

Tacticool in tight pants.

>halqa grill actually carrying her helmet on her kit
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>>59191848
>>59191989
Well now I need to replace all jew memes with jap now.
>I bet the japs did this
>Japan is our greatest ally

Gonna need a spess ching chong and nip nong vocab cheat sheet.
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>>59191380
Steel wall goes up before that happens.


Still don't know why they blew up the dam or took over life support: reasons for these things are not in the book.
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>>59191486
Nothing was really evacuated outside of the holdings on shentang. They don't really go into the "how" of running a brand new country that is chopped up into five pieces in the middle of yujing territory. I think only two of their provinces even have space ports...
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>>59195478
Life support makes sense, if you control it you control the station, and you probably assume the enemy won't shoot up the area too badly so your ISS police force weapons have an advantage. That proved to not be the case.

The dam is nonsense. But its attributed to a traitorous ninja working for YJ, and has the result of gaining support for the rebellion across the Sphere and revitalizing a faltering Japanese defense, while having no apparent tactical or strategic value for Yu Jing. Intentional or just really bad writing, that really only leaves one reasonable conclusion: a false-flag to sacrifice civilian lives in order to further secessionist goals.
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>>59176113
I’ve been away for a couple days. I usually do the painting posts!

Looking good though! Very clean my friend. I’ve been working through my JSA, don’t have any pics of the Domaru I’m doing though.

Here’s something else
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Just read the timeline.

It is far better than some of you are portraying. It reads like an interesting, complex situation. Every power used the Japanese Uprising as an excuse to shit on YJ, who has never made friends. YJ high command ignored Sun and went after civvies with predictable consequences.

Tl;dr, uprising fluff is fine.
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>>59195909
I definitely read it as false flag.
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>>59195541
Their paradiso, svalheima and mars territories are pretty fucked, basically west Berlin circa 1950. Very isolated and surrounded by hostiles..

Japan, Human Edge and Ariadna are basically their only viable territory.
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>>59196422
I wouldn't put Dawn on the viable list if you aren't wanting very isolated and surrounded by hostiles. Their very presence there is now illegal, it's on the planet of angry space werewolves, and Ariadna is liable to sabotage the ever-loving fuck out of that place even if PanO maintains its presence.

One thing about the entire situation on Ariadna that never made me sense to me. There's all that fluff about the fact that Rodina is home to the planet's only spaceport. So did all of those PanO forces for the Steel Wall and everything just go through Matr? If so, it makes the fact that Ariadna did literally nothing as PanO had troops goosestepping down main street even more hilarious and make them look even more pathetic.
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>>59196377
But you just described it in 2 sentences. And that effectively sums up the entire thing, aside from JSA generally holding their own when fighting the actual war. The Japanese all joined the rebellion with their muh emperor hive mind, and the only input anybody else had was to either covertly support JSA, join the war to fight on JSA's side, or look the other way when they should be helping YJ. YJ high command is portrayed as criminally incompetent and cartoonlishly evil. The only things that stand out at all are PanO massively overstepping their already overstepped bounds on Dawn by sending ground units to illegally take territory, Haqq trying to not lean too far into becoming YJ's hated enemy on Paradiso by making Steel Wall go both ways, and the Japanese losing on Shentang (because there's literally no other way that could go). There are nice details in there, but most of the real retardation is in the bigger picture.
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>>59196377
>t. damage control
If you're going to try to promote the book, warcor, try not to use such obvious bullshit like Gutier writing "interesting, complex situations." It just isn't believable.
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>>59196152
Im sorry for that father knight.... I love my knights, but Domaru are fucking ridiculous at trading in melee.

who wouldnt gladly trade a 26 point HI for a 50 point one
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>>59195909
>a false-flag to sacrifice civilian lives in order to further secessionist goals.
Nah, that can't be it. Too good.

>>59196152
That's a nicely framed picture.
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>>59195909
The thing is, there's no reason not to just say that it was a false-flag in the timeline since its entire purpose is to be consumed by players rather than being some in-universe news expose. It being a falseflag would be nice, but right now it's portrayed just as more Yu Jing incompetence by Word of God.
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>>59196820
>dat B5 AP+EXP melee coming atchu through Assault
I honestly dislike almost the entirety of the JSA army. But I love the idea of a 5 Domaru link. It's the kind of shit that tricked me into buying the MO starter when I was just getting started eight years ago or so.
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>>59196682
>But you just described it in 2 sentences.
You could do that with anything.

WWII was complex and interesting. The Soviets defeated the Germans with Blood and American Steel and the Americans nuked the Japanese.
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>>59196660
Orbital carriers. And Japan will have a much easier time with the savages than surrounded by YJ.

Ariadna is less of a power than most Earth nations.
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>>59196690
Not a warcor, not that it matters on an anonymous site.

Can tell you are a dumbass though.
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>>59196896
>rather than being some in-universe news expose
Ah, now I get it. You haven't even read it (or probably any infinity fluff).
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>>59196820
weeb wanking ignores how incompetent the japs have been at warfare, and how thousand folded blade rice paddie hat ass holes would have gotten wrecked by full plate knights.

but that's a topic for another day. Just dislike the amount of pano models that have swords and dont know how to use em
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>>59197981
are you saying that since a medieval knight in steel plate should defeat a samurai in oyoroi, the every iteration of western knight versus asian samurai will forever see the samurai lose?
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>>59198074
Not that guy, but I would completely agree with that statement.

Toledo Steel for the win.
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>>59198074
Hes got a point tho.

These knights have powered armor and exploding swords.

I mean the samurai do too, but 90% of the time the knight has a gun too.
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>>59198074
that's one hell of a strawman, but how about a seraph should definitely be able to take on an o-yoroi.

Or a sepulcher knight, described as the utmost elite of the knightly orders , recruited only from the top members of the other orders. Should definitely beat a domaru, specially when often costing twice as much.
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>>59198074
When the knight costs twice the points of the samurai? Goddamn right.
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>>59198363
Knights seem to be more about actually being effective in the battlefield rather than >muh honurabu burado comubato
So they get BS14 and good guns with good tech, but aren't quite as practiced with their swords.

Sepulchres should definitely get MA3 though. And MA1 or CC22/23 on Seraphs would be tight. PanO could do with a bit of a bit of a boot up the ass in the CC department, some of the army is really awkward with that. They don't need to match JSA's super HI warbands, but they should at least have their own comfortable niche. Put them around current YJ's level typing that causes me pain with most of the focus on knights. Everyone with any CC focus should be at least functional like Santiagos and Hospitallers, with a couple of bigger guys like Seps being real nasty customers. Teutons being more about actually CCing fools would be one nice way to revamp them.
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>Everyone calm the fuck down.
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>>59198887
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/04/infinity-exclusive-preview-gabriel-defersen.html
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>>59198941
Wait a minute – is this a psychic hood?
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>>59198403
He knight costs twice as much because they actually carry a decent firearm and have good BS.

A domaru is hyper specialised for CC, so they're always going to be cheaper than a more generalist unit like a Hospitaller.

If Hospitallers had MA3, beserk and dual wield they'd cost a hell of a lot more than they do now.
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>>59198969
And? I never said anything about CC, nor did the post that I was replying to. But a 60 point knight ought to win against a 30 point samurai, outside of bullshit dice or shitty players.
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Daily reminder that Yu Jing got absolutely shafted and all we'll get is useless closed battle lists
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>>59198969
Ah yes combi rifle father knights and sepulchers. Epitome of good fire arms

Also someone tell emperor baldy bald the III to put on a helmet
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>>59198966
No, it's a hacking hood.

But yes. They even added the two power feeds from the back unit, where before he had empty sockets.
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>>59182489
rattlecan of glossy polyeurythane sealant followed by a rattlecan of testors model master series lusterless varnish
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>>59199056
So there's no problem? Sepulchre will chew off a Domaru's face in a firefight. +2 BS, surprise shot/fuckery from holo2, no losing cover with frenzy, and to get a spitfire that Domaru has to cough up 40 points instead of 25.
Pointing at the unfavourable comparisons to Ayyar is one thing, but Sepulchre and Domaru are completely different units with totally different roles. Both are terrible if you try to play them like the other.
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Hit me with your guesses, /infg/!
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>>59199392
Dragon dildos
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>>59199392
Several boxes, I see orange, but main guess is Maghariba Guard.

Of you're that one or other Anon that mentioned starting IS or Nomads not too long ago.
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>>59199392
All of the Shasvastii models
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>>59199392
An army of Stormcast Eternals.
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>>59199392
Hopefully not Tohaa
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>>59199408
>>59199466
>>59199481
Nope
>>59199576
Laughed
>>59199663
Somewhat right I suppose
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>>59199392
Does it have butts?
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>>59199392
Nintendo Switch.
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>>59199712
> Urahing intensifies
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>>59199712
Wait wtf.
I'm missing a Autocanon Tankhunter!
Shit!
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>>59199798
did you fail your discover roll
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>>59199817
Nope looks like I just forgot it when ordering.
Oh well, I have plenty of work to do until it arrives anyways.
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>>59199258
In a firefight you chain rifle the sepulcher and give zero shit bout surprise shot. Within 8 , you em grenade him .

Like frenzy is any drawback on a linkable unit ? Hell it barely is a drawback on its own, considering it kicks in a full turn after you kill a model.

The sepulcher needs to fight in the middle of the board to be effective, its exactly where he is vulnerable to the kind of HI the domaru is.
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>>59199923
>e/m grenades
Two can play that game.
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>>59200011
Nobody is saying santiagos are shit.

They are a beautiful independent order who dont need no pano
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>>59199923
Within 8" Domaru has advantage, mostly through those nasty PH14 grenades. Beyond that Sepulchre remains effective out to 24". Unless the midfield is all tight corridors there should be room for supp fire to deny ground and the spitfire to go hunting. Also being able to clear out any mine at no risk is real nice.

Links being bullshit is not news. But then you're not talking about a 25 point unit at all. You're talking about a distinct 150 point unit. A Domaru link may be formed by Domaru, but it is an entirely different beast. That's like saying a 15pt Fusilier is better than a 32pt Hexa because 60pt Fusi links are strong.
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>>59196839
>that’s a nicely framed picture

Thanks. I didn’t go to film school for nothing
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>>59198812
PanO is all about being the best - and being the best on the battlefield is about shooting good rather than CCing good. I’m their eyes at least.

The knights and swords are more for iconography and what they represent than actually being practical.
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>>59200386
you can duo 2 domaru for 52 points which does not consume a link slot, completely negates frenzy and gives you the utility to move around two HI to contest zones or overall just kill.

two domaru are cheaper than a single spitfire sepulcher.

A chain rifle lets you clear mines without danger as well, you got 2 inches of leeway to discover shoot them or intuitive attack em after you fail a discover shoot.

the midfield just needs a few decently sized buildings to force the Sepulcher into the domaru's zones, specially with the ability to cautious move.

Im not saying the domaru is the best HI in the game mind you, it is just a dirt cheap HI warband with an amazing kit.

the sepulcher on the other hand is a bloody jumbled mess, that will severely benefit from specializing one way or the other.

Since holo 2 is a very expensive piece of equipment that is costed as if it was as powerful as TO
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>>59200803
It's not Holo2, it's mostly his highs attributes in everything and all his close combat. Compare the Sepulcher spitfire to the Crane spitfire and they're almost the same price, and the Crane doesn't have anything fancy.
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Is there anyone more full of shit than Asawira?
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Is the spitfire domaru worth it in the link? Seems there only real way to punch out if there’s an Aro standing between them and all those soft midfield infiltrator. Core is looking like neko, spitfire, basic domaru probably DA cc weapon, ML tanko, smg tanko?
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>>59201942
I don't see why not. Not as good as an HMG but still a really strong and deadly option.
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>>59198966
No, it's ripped off the Metabarons comic.
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JSA updated in tactica. I'm not super familiar with the other NA2 armies though

>>59201942
sure. A core team always needs a high burst weapon.
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>>59196377
a yen for the good gaijin
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>>59201942
Its main problem is being BS 12 in a link that often includes BS 13 Tanko but Tanko don't have high burst weapons so moot point, its your only high Burst option and while SWC 2 can be a bit of a punch in the gut with the other high SWC of Rui Shi, it's a bill that would have to be paid. It's got a good range band because you want to get close anyways.

>>59202339
I don't want yen, pay me in Yuan Yuan.

>>59201942
Core links with Domaru have been getting better these days overall now that they have this FO option though. It takes care of their one old weakness: not being able to button push.
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>>59201942
Basically if you want to run an aggressive Domaru Core. Most Domaru cores end up being a Haram-I mean Tanko/Domaru Core with 2 Tanko missile launchers, and it sits in the deployment zone all game blowing anything up that moves into LOS. Pretty sure the new standard for defensive JSA core is Domaru LT, Domaru LT decoy, Tanko ML, Tanko ML, Flammenspeer Tanko.
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>>59202384
Spending ~150 points on a defensive links seems pants on head to me
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>>59202538
It's on the cheap side since it's filled with impetuous guys, though not quite as cheap as it used to be with 4 Haramaki. Even the filler Tanko is also good in ARO due to the contendie and flammensperger. All the Tankos are 2 wounds and 13 BS before entering in the link, and even the Domarus are not going to be easy to take down to cut down the fireteam bonuses. The Domaru is also the one good LT option in JSA, and if you keep him in your deployment zone with the defensive team, you don't need to bring a Kempeitai CoC. Forcing your opponent to remove Haramaki MLs in a 5 man team is a nightmare, and they're well worth the points. You can fill the rest of your list out with other stuff while the Tankos make your opponent's active turn very difficult.
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>>59202647
Different play styles I suppose
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>>59198941
And I love how everything's ~exclusive preview~ despite getting reposted everywhere within like 30 seconds.
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>>59201702
check the difference in price between father knight spitfire and sepulcher.

Look how more expensive the sepulcher is, despite the overall higher raw stats on the father knight.
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>>59203297

It's the same stupid shit everywhere. You want to be the first one posting so you get the most clicks.
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>>59203297
I guess it's high time for another "since when is this sexier than this/unrealistic standards of beauty" pic again.
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>>59203426
You're underestimating how much Corvus overvalues Martial Arts. The Crane spitfire is also more expensive than the Father Knight Spitfire despite being overall worse than it.
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>>59203527

Unless the unit has Infiltration, then you can give CC 20 Martial Arts 2 for 2 point.
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All Zhanshi should have 17 CC and AP CCW with no increase to their point cost.
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>>59203617
I'd still think they're not worth the price, and if the Yisheng and Mech-Engineer had the same no cost upgrade I'd still miss the 14 point Tokusetsu.

What they really need are Red/Green/Orange Banner full core linked Closed Battle Lists.
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If Chain rifles were available in a pack of 4-8 of a Separate Blister would you buy them? They're one of the few guns that look the same among all factions (minus Daturazi) and a fix for the Warbands with subpar weapons without resculpting them.
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>>59203739
Nah, those guys don't get the upgrade since they had to spend more time to get their degrees.

20 CC and AP CCW

Also I completely agree with them needing fireteam core.
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>>59203840
No because I would be trash at adding them to models w/o them.
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>>59203527
I think you actually underestimate how much cb values that x visor on the crane. Remember visors climb in cost when they are on HI.

MA seems to be 1 point per lv and perhaps 2 for the climb to lv 3. It is most certainly not an expensive skill.

Look at tankos vs haramaki. 1 point of cc 1 point of ma, but they got a whole revamp of their wep profiles, got monofilament ccw in addition to shock , while costing the same.

The extremely impetuous vs regular impetuous discount is surely not massive either.
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>>59203840
CB tried weapon packs before and they didn't sell that well IIRC. Metal figures are hard to convert.
Although I think having a "Faction Weapon Pack" with one of each od their basic guns would be neat. I'd get the Nomad one to give a Wildcat a BSG and maybe a Bandit a Combi. But as long as they're selling metal models it's not likely.

Ease of conversion and subsequent tons of alternate bits is one of the few things I envy GW models about.
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>>59199712
>only the shitty modern Tankhunter
>only 1 HMG Spetsnaz
>N3 Traktor Mul
>no Dog Warriors, Irmandinhos, or Assault Pack
I appreciate the effort, Anon, but you did bad.
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>>59203617
Incorrect. However, Spetsnaz need at least a CCW. The fact that the fuckers are given Martial Arts and just a Knife is downright insulting.
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>>59204022
Not really, we can see the X Visor is probably 3-4 points on the Crane based on the AHD profile with no visor, and sensor is generally 1 more point but might be 2 points on HI. Even when we strip away the X Visor from the Crane, it is still the same price as the Father Knight Spitfire while being worse at everything except close combat. A no X Visor Spitfire Crane would be the same points but trade all the good stats away for close combat bonuses.
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>>59204073
That's what they use the Spec-Ops as, isn't it? Figure + weapon pack?
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>>59204222
the crane does have higher wip than the FK which is certainly valued more highly than cc but prob lower than bs.

Wile also having the ability to core link

so the crane trades -1 bs -1 cc,-1 armor , and -3 bts for 3 levels of ma , which also grants courage and stealth, 2 nano pulsars, an extra level of kinematika and the ability to form core links. Seems pretty fair, the most obvious hit is in bts , and its sadly just due to how it scales.
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>>59204073
Faction Weapon packs seem to be what Spec-Ops models are for, which is understandable.

>>59204313
Yeah, but those don't come with Chain Rifles except for the Ariadna one. And Warbands without Chain Rifles are the ones I'm most tempted to convert (as well as Wu Ming or Domaru).

Plus the Spec-Ops packs are starting to age poorly. Most are outdated.
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>>59204446
The Shas one isn't too bad, though the weapons are all old. That's probably because most of the Shas models apart from shit like the Scindron are the same age or older.
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>>59204094
Old tankhunters are on the way! Just from a separate seller.
And as said before I forgot the AC Tankhunter when ordering this batch.
Also since they look so similar I'll be using the new tankhunter as a second Spetsnaz hmg when I need it!
Also got the Intel Spec Ops as a proxy.
Dogs and pack is coming down the line and the sailor. That new mini looks nice.
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>>59204411
Yeah don't get me wrong I actually like the Crane, believe it or not. He's expensive but the Multirifle profiles are great solo pieces for mid-field specialist or anti-camo work. The Spitfire is rather lackluster but becomes amazing in the context of link teams.

I think the Sepulcher is stuck with something around 4-5 points of CC bloat despite not being amazing at CC. Martial Arts 3 or NBW on a 20+ CC guy is when you become really good at it, MA2 is an awkward place. Despite that he also pays for a DA CCW. Holoechoes make him unlinkable as well, which means he can't be saved by link teams like the Crane Spitfire.

I personally would probably just drop him to MA1 or even just stealth and then give him the Ayyar treatment of Surprise Shot 2 and Specialist Operative on the Combi loadout. His points would probably remain around the same.
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>>59204552
Honestly he could have a special core with OS.

Since he can downgrade to holo1 and that would be good enough to take him.

Or they could give him nbw for what 1 or 2 points, the skill is not worth much when creating a spec ops
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>>59204150
>says incorrect with no explanation
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>>59204537
Acceptable enough. But you'll want two Autocannons, minimum. Fair enough in regards to using the modern Tankhunter as a second Spetsnaz. Christ, I hate that miniature so goddamn much. Combine it with the fact that its the worst possible load-out for a Tankhunter, it's just [REEEEEEEEE].

>>59204895
>a unit should get a buff to its CC ability and be given a dedicated CC weapon without any increase in points
It doesn't need an explanation. The premise is retarded from the start. Meanwhile, you have Spetsnaz who are even given CC special abilities yet are stuck using their Knife instead of having an actual CCW, much less an AP CCW.
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>>59205012
>It doesn't need an explanation

Yes it does. After all, CC is useless unless you are on a bike or have Infiltration.
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>>59205012
The drop troopers have CCWs (I know they're garbage but they exist). And Zhanshis pay 1 point over other line troopers for a single point of CC. I could see them getting another point or two of CC because 1 point in CC is definitely not worth a whole point, but I do agree that AP CCW on top of that is too much.
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>>59205012
>>59205093
Actually checking army, SWC Spetnaz have regular CCWs while Parachutists have AP CCWs.
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>>59205049
Yet they don't just give everyone 20 CC for some reason.

>>59205093
...Huh, that shit has to be an addition from a year or so. Because none of my old army lists actually have the CCWs. I guess CB did a good.

>>59205131
Yeah, I checked when you mentioned that the Parachutists had 'em and was surprised to see that. Good on you, CB. Good on you.
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So how reliable is Stealth at actually letting you get into CC? Has it been rewritten lately, or is it still the same as back in N2? Seems like a pretty reliable means of getting your stabby bois into bad guy booty. The fact that no-one can react to him without LoS as long as he's moving seems great. And if you just attack with a Silent weapon, there's even a chance that other troops inside the ZoC still don't get to make an ARO in regards to the knife-wielding maniac in their midst. Obviously careful arrangement of defending troops can make a screen of LoS, but a sniper taking out a weak link in the chain can let your asshole slip in.

Another question in regards to Silent weapons.
>If you use this weapon or piece of Equipment to make an Attack while outside the target's LoF, that target cannot react by Changing Facing or apply the Warning! rule unless he survives the Attack (that is, isn't in a Null state after the Attack is resolved).
The application of this is obvious for something like a TacBow, but what about for a CC attack? Does this basically just do nothing in regards to the person you are attacking, instead just having use for keeping other enemies from making a reaction? And does this mean that enemies you are shooting with a TacBow can't make any sort of ARO to Dodge? Are they simply forced to possibly get shot and then have the ability to Change Facing?
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>>59205012
What's the "N3 Traktor Mul" btw?
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>>59205415
Stealth didn't exist back then, if I remember correctly, but stealth rarely helps you in getting to combat, using cover, forcing unwanted AROs etc. Getting two moves before getting b2b without triggering AROs can be helpful sometimes, though. There are more uses to stealth, though, like avoiding hacking AROs with HI and flanking enemy. Remember, that stealth is optional, so you can force the enemy declare Change Facing instead of something more dangerous in some situations.

Silent weapons do indeed only help with the enemy allies in CC. If you're getting shot at your back, you're generally better at declaring the use of Warning! rule rather than Change facing ARO, as that lets you turn without dice roll.
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>>59205470
It's just generally shitty imo and both of the weapon platforms have been more or less crippled from what they used to be. The Minesweeper is a decent enough source of cheap orders, but it's also a hilariously fragile baggage bot just waiting to get hit by a rock and fuck you over by suddenly being a 25 point unit for the sake of Retreat. I absolutely loved the old Katyusha, and the old Uragan was a potent motherfucker. Now, it's just kind of bad.

Especially since you're playing Ariadna so you don't have good access to Supportware or any way to protect your guided strikes. And even in dealing with mines, I'd rather have an Antipode pack doing bomb duty and using Sensor to give me eyes on mines instead of pushing that fat 2 ARM fuck around. Back in the day, the Traktor Mul had hilariously memetic weapons and no model. Now, it has a great model and generally bland to bad rules.
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>>59205786
Oh I misunderstood you!
I thought you meant there was a different model.
I just think they look neat to be honest.
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>>59205786
I'm sure it will be updated for TAK.
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>>59179888
bump for interest
heading in the same direction
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>>59206062
Perfectly fair. I'm probably going to get one just to scavenge the weapons platforms for terrain.

>>59206082
I have massive doubts about that. They would have updated it for USAriadna if they had any intention to.
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>>59206132
>That hands on hips stance

Muh dick
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>>59206147
Can't put Russian unit updates in with the Yanks, that pollutes the Freedom.
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>>59206240
...You realize that the Americans have Muls in their sectorial, right?
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>>59206266
With JSA specific Rui Shis, anything is possible.
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>>59206266
Not him but they're very clearly russian inspired.
Just the name of both the unit and it's weapons give it away.
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>>59206266
That doesn't stop them being a Russian unit you potato.
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>>59206414
>>59206405
No, it's even given a fluff explination, you mongs. Traktor Muls are Russian-made, part of Ariadna's army support and artillery. The Americans, however, took the initiative and worked on reverse-engineering the design so that they have their own armory of them for when shit gets rough and Matr's not in any hurry to send the big guns to the Amerikanski. It's the reason that the sectorial has access to them. Previously, the Russians and the Americans were the only ones that had access to it, but they've loosened up those restrictions lately and slung 'em at everyone. Fluff-wise, though, just those two have immediate access to them.
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>>59206414
And the Cyrillic on the logo.
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>>59206556
What?
Those moonrunes actually mean something?
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>>59206570
Probably something spelt wrong. CB seem convinced Kazak is actually Kaeak.

>>59206532
>new Muls are US knockoffs
>they also suck
Hmm.
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>>59206570
It's Google Translate-tier trash, but usually.
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Someone make a new bread.
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>>59207655
Can't, I'm gluten free
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>>59208530

>>59208530

>>59208530

Here's your Gluten Free low-sodium naan bread.




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