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Previous Thread: >>60237694

Question of the day: What makes your space dad better than my space dad?
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>>60273091
>Question of the day
>Why isn't the 8th ed conversion in the OP yet?
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>>60273198
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>>60273201
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1c3k0CgT0mK7usziANPHjYKL30doamz3R

Really though sorry about not including it, I’ll be sure to do that if I post it again.
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>>60273091
Because my Space Dad is literally Number 1
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>>60273443
thank you.
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>>60273198
yeah, do include it, it is a nice effort
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I wonder what Sanguinius's stats will be like.
He is basically the best primarch afterall.
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Post your biggest HH hobbying regret

>Buying 3 javelin speeders
>All with lascannons, not cyclone missile launchers

FUCK. I just thought they looked slicker, and I needed the precious AT without really thinking about how versatile missile launchers are in combination with two cheap HK's
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>>60274477
Not getting into HH early. The price tags on HH stuff kept me away for a while and now that I'm hearing Internet scuttlebutt about the HH line maybe being discontinued, I wish I'd gotten at least a Fellblade and some Ultramarines, Fists, and Thousand Sons cosmetic bits while the getting was good.
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>>60274477
Not using more conversion kits on my standard dudes.

I love my Fists do death and have their armor upgrades sprinkled throughout plenty of units, but I honestly wish I made more models individual looking with them. I enjoy the many Legionaires look but wish I did more.
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>>60275012
Thanks.
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>>60274477
There are no mistakes, only happy little accidents that lead to whole new opportunities.
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>>602266712
it always pissed me off how raven guard are tacticool ninjas, and not revolutionary freedom fighters. a people created by oppression and earning the ability to become truly better, just to be fuking ninjas?
i want to see entire companies of raven guard dedicated to instigating popular revolutions against tyrannical compliant worlds, xeno slave empires, etc. being just space ninjas is such a cop out image of the raven guard. im so glad deliverance lost and the corax anthology is really doing that, but then you have assholes like Nykona Sharrowkyn. my favourite parts of those books was of the the nev brothers and corax talking about the revolution. it was so noble and pure.

i always wanted to make a liberation force army where theres tonnes of flags waving around, raven guard looking all like heroic propaganda, etc. too bad liberation force is so trash
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>>60275976
>tfw people in 40k don't wear black T-shirts with a white image of Corax like some Che Guevara shirt
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>>60276240
>tfw people in 40k don't wave black flags with a white raven like some Gadsden meme
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>>60275976

> Corax is space Jean Valjean
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>>60277187

What have I done,
sweet Emperor what have I done!
Become a thief in the night,
become a dog on the run!
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>>60274394

This better be fucking bait.
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>>60275976
>too bad liberation force is so trash
It isn’t. Try it!
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>>60277378
Papa Sang did nothing wrong.
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Page 8 bump for ded gaem
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Do you think they’ll ever get around to balancing all the Legions so each is competitively viable? I wanna play Sallies but not have to take the L in every game because they suck
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>>60278865
They said they’d do it after Angelus, because the new Legions book would then have all 18.
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>>60278865
What unit are you complaining about? Sallies are a good legion.
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>>60278883
Except Dangels.
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>>60278966
Firedrakes can't carry a legion by themselves.
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>>60279120
Malevolence is the next book, with BA and WS. The one after that is Angelus, with Dark Angels. THEN we get a new and complete Legions book.

They said the generic army list book could be redone between Angelus and Malevolence but who knows.
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>>60278865
What's the "L"?

>>60279178
Firedrakes aren't a must take for Salamanders, there are plenty of viable options.
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>>60279537
Take the loss.
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>>60277378
Wrong
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>>60279178
I can run IH well without crutching on my ok special units. But they're still rather fun. Granted the legions rules may not be in the same level of usefulness, but Sallies got a good RoW and combos
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What is everyone hoping for their praetors?
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>>60280693
A replacement for the existing one?
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>>60280693
IH praetor with full cybernetic limbs and servo arm
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>>60280693
Imperial Fist here.
Tartaros Terminator Armour, covered with templar crosses and veteran symbols, a big furry cloak, Storm Shield, holding an outstreched power sword/paragon blade.
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>>60280856
isn't the Iron Father going to stand as the IH Praetor? Certainly I wouldn't expect a model for ages.
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>>60280693
Combi-grenade launcher and sword. But mostly just giving us an idea of how robed up HH-era DA actually are.
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>>60280944
Well based on AL getting both termie and power armour models, they might th that for everyone? Also that model just needs to be confirmed Mor as that's totally him. He's doesn't have obvious robot limbs
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>>60280693
An Ultrasmurf decked out in all the Hollywood Roman gubbins. Muscle cuirass, pteruges, big-ass officer crest, Imperial Gallic-inspired helmet, lorica segmentata, laurel wreath, and a big tower shield.
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>>60281619
>a big tower shield
It's a shame shields are only good choices for two legions.
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>>60274477
Outflanking/deep striking Javelins with TL Lascannon and Multi-Melta is the patrician's choice though
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>>60280693
If EC get a Cataphractii Praetor for some stupid reason I'm going to take a dump on all my models
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>>60281858
Don't do it! They'll enjoy it too much!
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>>60280850
Existing praetors are top fucking tier though. Both of them. Best generic models in the range.
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>>60281993
Do they come with helmets, or is it a fairly easy swap at least? That's the only issue I have with them, so if the new legion-specific praetors all have hats then that's a big plus for me.
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>>60281858
BA are getting Tartaros, so I think FW know what they’re doing.
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>>60282282
Someone needs to paint the fur as a bunch of bananas.
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Krole when?
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>>60282325
Krole's model is done so soon probably.
Also sweet gif.
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>>60282324
>>60282282
>they call me Fenris Pete!
>i'm the king of the viking beat!
>when I rev my chainsword I go
>chic-chic-ky-boom
>chic-chic-ky-boom
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>>60282324
>>60282429
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>>60282548
So this is the true form of the XIth...
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>>60282548
And he will be called Canis Miranda, for that is lulzy.
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>>60274477
>getting into HH at all
Thanks FW for your garbage rules and making your terminally cancer patient be responsible for editing, writing, layout, publishing, photoshopping.
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Does anyone have the oldhammer pics of original Death Guard in pic related’s scheme that the Dusk Raiders are based on? I remember seeing artwork of them with Thousand Sons but can’t find it anywhere.
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>>60280693
Not legion specific, but I hope we get a generic one with a jump pack. I'd probably still use my own, but it'd be neat.
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Anything to keep in mind for a Centurion list? Doing one for my iron hands and I know I want a Leviathan and some seekers, but that's as far as I've gotten.
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>>60283677
>a Centurion list
???
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>>60283694
pic related
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>>60283767
>bikes are considered as cancerous as leviathan dreads
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>>60283787
I think it's meant to be more of a flavour thing, but I get ya
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>>60283767
>no drop pods
>no razorbacks
2nd ed my ass
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>>60283927
You know there are no razorbacks in HH right?
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Which genre/types of music would each Legion enjoy the most?
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>>60284300
Mongolian throat singing.
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>>60284300
>Pre-Laer Emperor's Children
Classical

>Post-Laer Emperor's Children
Nightstep
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>>60284300
I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF ANGER
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>>60275012
Is that from the upcoming Khan book?
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>>60283927
>>60283961
and there were razorbacks in 2nd edition
the metal ones with a marine ontop
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>>60283927
so play 2nd ed. The idea is to play 30K but with a more 2nd ed aesthetic not just play 2nd ed. The point being that razorbacks were supposedly post heresy like the predator annihilator. That said it's a set of recommendations for playing with mates not a firm and official ruleset so use what you like if your opponent agrees.
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They mentioned alternate poses for some of the Loyalist Primarchs. Which ones do you think we'll see?
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>>60286487
Khan on foot and Khan on fast.

Sanguinius flying and standing.
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>be reading through DA specific books of HH
>heard everyone hated the first two
>read first two
>...
>Fallen seem kinda reasonable to act the way they did

Also is it just me or are there a lot more parallels between the Lion and Lorgar than one would initially think in regards to upbring and "father figures"?
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>>60286585
Khan surfing on the back of a Land Raider while leading the remaining Loyalist armour elements across the vast dust plains of Terra and ruining Traitor logistics for eternity.
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>>60287083
I totally don't see any parallels between Lorgar and the Lion.

Lorgar was raised by a twisted conniving chaos worshipper, although going by the primarch novel the suggestion is that he knows what he's doing but hides his intent behind the will of others, which I suspect is a rather pointed but accurate comment on religious people.

On the other hand the Lion isn't really raised by anyone, he's living in the forest by himself for ages fighting the beasts, and is found by Luthor, their relationship is more brotherly than fatherly. The suggestion which has been made about the lion is that he is more animal than man, given that he was initially shaped by the forest rather than by man.
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>>60287083
Luther has reasonable point. Astelan is just a raging cockbag and Zahariel goes off the deep end.

That said, the ending of Angels of Caliban makes it apparent that Lion wasn't trying to snub or punish Luther. One of the things Luther drilled into Lion was that a commander needs to say what he means and mean what he says, and Lion did not have any ulterior motives when he sent Luther back to Caliban.

And with that said, AoC starts with the establishment of Zaramund being right next to fucking Terra and Luther being clearly out of line to take a jaunt that far away from Caliban, but then ends with Luther launching an assault on Caliban despite the need to keep their troops close and betrayal a secret. So mileage may vary.
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>>60274394
You win the game, unless Horus in on the table, in which case you lose the game
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>>60286487
I thought they meant for existing primarchs?
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>>60287641
Yeah that's what I meant
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>>60287364
I suppose I mean it in kind of "divergent parallels" sort of way
>both have father figure that helps prompt them to destroy all other organizations but their own which resulted in a chaos resurgence
yet
>Luther probably better off without Lion but Lion needed Luther
>Kor Pheron is probably worse off without Lorgar but Lorgar didn't really need Kor Pheron

>>60287607
I'll probably start Angels of Caliban tonight since I've been highly tempted to skip most of the "Imperium 2: Secondus Boogaloo feat. Konrad Cruze" books because they sounds boring as fuck.
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>>60287835
Angels is good for the Calibanite politicking and Luther being forced to deal with being given lemons.

And the loyal Dark Angels get some great bits. From the Dreadwing's well aktchuallying their rules of engagement, to the Deathwing's opinion on nonlethal force, to Lion hunting Kurze through post apocalyptic ashes.
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So on tabletop what would the Rangdans need to bring in order to be real threats to the Legions?
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>>60288455
Given the Rangda were so horrific they seemed to have killed one of the Lost Legions and required the Void Dragon to put them down, they'd have to be stupidly OP. This is the only enemy during the Crusade who almost not only won, but killed the Imperium itself.
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>>60286487
I guess Dorn to cater to the need-a-dancing-model crowd
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>>60288526
Not true. Until the power of the Ork had been broken on Ullanor, they have been the biggest threat the Imperium had faced in the Crusade.
Rangdan had never had the chance to grow enough to threaten the whole Imperium, but they had almost ruined the Crusade in its first century where the Imperium wasn't as huge as we imagine it to be.
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>>60288455
What do the Rangdan even look like? And if they were ever to be added to the game we would likely have a lot of issues regarding revealing lore of Space Dad II
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>>60288455
it is a mystery what they are even like
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>>60288750
Closest thing we know about any kind of their appearance is that the Slaugth had something to do with them.
I want a campaign box full of the gribblies where people have to bring out their A-game to beat the aliens except that it'll never happen because FW is retarded.
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>>60288782
I think having some minor xenos and rebellious human factions would be fun, but Horus Heresy is more concerned with the end of the Great Crusade. Who knows, maybe one day. I think it would be a lot to fun to fight Orks when they were one of the pre-eminant species tearing shit up
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What sort of colour scheme would you guys recommend for a Mechanicum force from Kiavahr?
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>>60288455
It's not much of a stretch to say AP3 or 2 weapons as standard, considering they (supposedly) wiped out at least one Legion and inflicted heavy casualties on all other Legions involved, particularly the Dark Angels.

How, no one knows, since there is almost nothing written on the Xenocides. The only meaningful hint is that the Slaugth are involved somehow. That said, the fact that the Rangdans were referred to as 'cerabvores' implies they eat brains, so they may be one and the same (or even allied). And if they have ties to the Slaugth, they might have access to similar 'necrotic' weapons, which rapidly decays biomatter and reduces non-organic material to ash.
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>>60288782
>FW is retarded for not releasing special snowflake overpowered xenos
no u
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>>60288455
Mind control is my guess.
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>>60283927
I don’t remember drop pods in 2nd ed.
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>>60275012
white scars motto should be 'none more based'
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>>60286487
i always wanted a 'Horus the Chosen of Chaos' model, or some other epithet that outlines his fall to chaos. he'll be bigger than the current horus model, have lots of spikes and skulls. icons of chaos, the whole deal.
in the fluff, its agreed sanguinius is the best primarch in a fight. we need a souped up horus to kill him
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>>60288455
>So on tabletop what would the Rangdans need to bring in order to be real threats to the Legions?
3 Scorpius Whirlwinds.
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>>60275012
>Fyah, you iron slug
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>>60289293
White with black ravens.
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Outside of the Rangdan, what were some other interesting factions/races encountered during the Great Crusade?
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>>60289670
Megarachnids
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>>60289670
Interex and Void Whales.
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>>60289670
the intersex
big bad bugs
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>>60289690
Interex would be fun. Centaur like battlesuits, laser bows, drones galore.
>>60289683
>>60289708
Megarachnids is such a dumb name but the concept of a psychotic savage race being imprisoned on a planet is pretty neat. Would be fun to have an army of scuttly fuckers
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>>60289746
Yes, if only there was a faceless arthropod themed alien race who's collective personality can be summed up as hunger.
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>>60289670
Black Judges, genetech wielding judges in huge STC Dreadnought armour
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>>60287835
>both have father figure that helps prompt them to destroy all other organizations but their own which resulted in a chaos resurgence
I still don't think that Luthor is a father figure, he's a brother, older brother maybe but still a brother rather than dad. Also I don't think it's Luthor that prompts the Lion to unite all the orders it's just what the Lion does, he's not one for leaving stuff outside his control. Finally it's not this that causes the chaos resurgence the planet itself is inhabited by a malevolent chaos entity, it's Zahariel that drives everything to shit.

Good call on the reading order.
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>>60289293
My Kiavahrian Mech stuff is a subdued blue with white detailing. Not sure why I chose that colour, guess I just thought Castellax looked good in matte blue and go faster racing stripes.
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>>60290707
Pics?
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So who's left.
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>>60290747
Lion
Khan
Sang
Emps
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>>60290799
>Left: McNeil Peturabo
>Right: French Peturabo
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>>60290747
Daemon Angron
Daemon Fulgrim
Malcador
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>>60291015
I strongly suspect GW have issued a hands-off order on the daemon primarchs to FW so they can do them in plastic. Whether the carrier pigeon (because given all the mixups I can only assume that's how GW and FW communicate) has actually made it to the FW offices this time remains to be seen, however.
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>>60283961
So what's with Khan riding one?
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>>60291930
thats the first
khan drove two attack bikes and jumped onto a rhino
they got stuck lowering the crew compartment space but you could fire the heavy bolters from the top

hence the razorback was born
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>>60290799
Angrabo.
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>>60282282
this model never fails to astound me with how hilariously bad it looks. They clearly know how to sculpt cool poses, hands gripping weapons and even fur. So how did this get the ok for production?
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>>60289670
I N T E R E X
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>>60289670
Laer.
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>>60289599
>in the fluff, its agreed sanguinius is the best primarch in a fight
What is this sillyness? He got rekt by a bloodthirster which even Lorgar could 1 v 1.
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>>60289670
The harpies that the TS and SW tag teamed seemed cool.
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>>60290799
The ones where they actually look like angelic beings
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>>60292930
Even rawbutt is handsome
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>>60290799
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>>60292930
I prefer her portraits. I like that while different, they aren't too far off from kind of resembling the Emperor.
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>>60292895
Nah, Snag is usually considered the best... the traitors only really kept Angron around at first because they figured they might need him to fight Sanguinius and he was the only one considered good enough to take on Sanguinius 1v1. That’s before he became a daemon though.

Primarch fighting tiers from the fluff? I’d say...

Tier1: Horus, Sanguinius, Angron
Tier2: Fulgrim, Russ, Lion
Tier3: Gulliman, Khan, Perturabo
Tier4: Curze, Ferrus, Vulkan
Tier5: Dorn, Mortarion, Corax
Tier6: Alpharius, Magnus, Lorgar

But honestly, they’re as good or bad as the story needs them to be.
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>>60293043
Oddly I would also say a psychically empowered Lorgar mid heresy after he ups his martial game ends up being mid-high tier. He was such a waste of a talent.
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>>60293043
Kurze and Russ are definitely higher up than that. Russ is certainly tier one given how bullshit he is on the tabletop.
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>>60293175
That’s because of his equipment. (Horus to arguably). Russ and lion are supposed to pretty equal in terms of martial prowess when it comes to personal fighting. But I could see Russ and Horus trading places for sure, just depends on the situation/story. Curze and Pert could also trade places but I’m apprehensive about placing him higher because he’s so temperamental in the stories. Sometimes he wrecks shop, others he gets wrecked.
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>>60274477
Not having a fully painted army or unit in 5 years of possessing heresy models.

I have my 3000 points planned, they will be painted by September. The Armoured fury of Dorn.
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>>60293282
>not "the armoured fist"
Uno jobbo.
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Primarch Archetypes:

Lion: Knight
Fulgrim: Artist
Perturabo: Logistician
Khan: Hunter
Russ: Warrior
Dorn: Soldier
Curze: Vigilante
Sanguinius: Paragon
Ferrus: Engineer
Angron: Gladiator
Gulliman: Statesman
Mortarion: Farmer
Magnus: Scholar
Horus: Predator
Lorgar: Missionary
Vulkan: Smith
Corax: Freedom fighter
Alpharius: Spy
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>Mortarion: Farmer
lolwut?

>Horus: Predator
Horus is really more of a rival to the emperor than anything.

>Perturabo: Logistician
>Ferrus: Engineer
This is tough. Pert is at lot like Leonardo Da Vinci, so it's tempting to call him more of a craftsmen/engineer. Ferrus is a tinkerer but he's also a majorly driven hardass.

>Sanguinius: Paragon
I'd call him more of a prince/knight, but paragon works too.

>Lion: Knight
That's his aesthetic, but he's really more of a general.

>Curze: Vigilante
Try criminal/psycho
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>>60293348
Mortarion the literally the grim reaper.
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>>60293175
>>60293043
Curze is tier 1 if his psychic premonition bullshit triggers, if it doesn't he's more like tier 5.
Also, Mort should be higher, he was quite even matched with the Khan.
Pert should be lower, he almost got offed by a regular Marine boarding party
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>>60293348
>Magnus: Scholar
I dunno, I always felt Magnus was more like someone who thinks they're an amazing academic, but actually just reads I Fucking Love Science and xkcd a lot. If only the Emperor had done a TED talk on the dangers of the warp, then Magnus might have listened...
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>>60293784
>If only the Emperor had said anything about the warp
Honestly 99% of the issues on the HH would have been resolved if the Emperor wasn’t a total tard
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>>60283083
>blaming FW for Bligh dying
>angry marine image
You need to go back.
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>>60293963
>can't even read.
You go to readit
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Is there interest in a new book repo that's kept up-to-date and current? I mean with everything, even audio (although that can lag a little sometimes)
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>>60293942
Then we wouldn't have a decent future-space-jesus setting to milk for books.
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>>60294324
I mean you’re right, the whole point is that everyone was a massive idiotic fuckup. It’s just that to me it seems like most people forget that Emps was just as (if not more responsible) responsible as his sons were for the fuckups, especially given the new way they’re portraying him
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>>60294353
Maybe we'll get a flash back and see how the Emps vision turned out, what guided him to choose this path and how all other paths offered extreme uncertainty or ultimate success for Chaos.
Or maybe we'll get an allegory about climbing a cliff and uh oh spaghettio!
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>>60294310
Yes, but they all start out with that intent...
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>>60295115
One surfaces as another sinks.
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>>60293506
>>Mortarion: Farmer
>lolwut?
He literally fights with farming equipment and gained the trust of the Barbaran humans by working their fields.
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>>60292930
They should've used swastikas instead of the meander on the armour frame.
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>>60293175
>>60293779
>>60293043
Russ admits he couldn't outfight Curze because "he fights with the power of the insane" in Wolfsbane.
Also Dorn kicks the shit out of Ferrus in a dispute they had.
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>>60293506
>Mortarion: Farmer
>lolwut?
How on Earth do you even know what the Horus Heresy is without knowing something as basic as Mortarion's backstory?
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Are we still doing the legion music thing ?
https://youtu.be/jGKNaIXtBZQ
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>>60293506
>ferrus
>engineer
Lol no, he have more in common with lorgar than pert or vulkan (who himself have more in common with lorgar than he would admit)
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>>60296532
Speak English
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>>60295781
>other primarchs: overthrow oppressive dictatorships/defeat monsters/create working societies/conquer planets, to earn people's trust
>mortarion: farms some spacecorn
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>>60296494
Thousand Sons I assume?
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>>60296673
ferrus=/=engineer
ferrrus=loyalist lorgar
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>>60296789
I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, please enlighten me
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>>60296704
no shit sherlock
not even much thousand son psyche here apart of the title
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>>60296831
Chill out Angron, no need to get so heated
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>allied knight
>painted entirely with legion colours and iconography
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>>60296936
>not wanting things in unified scheme
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>>60296830
ol'iron hand of the iron hand with iron hand put emphasis on devoting yourself to emps and the great crusade, every other primarch had their take on the emperor's creed but only ferrus would've obeyed it to the letter without objection.
he's not lorgar in that he would never outright worship the emperor, but he's a lot closer to it than any of the loyalists.

and reducing his mind and accomplishments to "the guy who built weapons" is just insulting
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>>60296955
>wanting to be autistic

Learn the colour wheel and read some fluff.
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>>60296988
it's mostly just a take on ferrus given there's not much material on him outside of BL.
sadly the same could be said of all the primarchs
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>>60293309
Gotta expand! If I stick to "Fist" then I may as well call my preators Righty and Lefty. Squad sergeants after each finger...
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>>60296936
>Have house makabius knight
>Put "Iron Within, Iron Without" on the shield at the front with the symbol on it
if you want to make your knight fitting for your legion, you gotta do it subtle
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>>60291930
If you actually look at the diorama you'll notice that he wasn't on a Razorback.

It was a Predator with sponsons but no turret.
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>>60293942
or if the primarch were actual primarchs and not angsty teenagers.
would've been a lot better if, say, primarchs were mostly selfish beings having been coerced to fight for the emperor and each had their own agenda, with emps lamenting that he couldn't educate them properly but still need all of them to conquer the galaxy.

but no, instead of alien minds directing the expansion of a xenophobic imperium we got twilight 2.0
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>>60297003
>reading fluff
>calls others autistic
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>>60296936
>his knights didn't repaint their houses armor in the colors of the legion they've fought so long beside and respect so much
>do you Warmaster's Own?
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>>60297212
I did think the scene where each newly-found primarch has to put on the sorting hat to decide which legion they get was a bit weird. But they retconned that, of course, now each primarch's legion was set from the start.
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>>60297820
GW decided long ago that crime is in the genes
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Has anyone ever considered working on a homebrew for some of the Xenos races during the Great Crusade? I feel like you could port the individual legions easily enough yeah? And maybe 7th ed rules for Eldar and Orks (except not terrible). The rest I have no idea about but would be fun.
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>>60296955
>>60297436
Halved or quartered schemes paying tribute is acceptable. Full on legion colours is pleb trash.
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>>60298123
King Fluff put a supplement together.
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>>60298401
Got a link to it?
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>>60297207
Pretty sure I've seen it saying razorback somewhere.
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>>60297336
>complaining about reading fluff
>on /hhg/
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>>60297857
Also, luck.
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>>60298351
What, you saying this totally original Knight house that I use with my SW is not kosher? He just comes from a house that happens to use that style and works with the legion/chapter all the time. Honest. It's fluffy and thematic. Have you seen my Valkyries themes SoB detachment, who also, by pure coincidence, have the same aesthetics?
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>>60298762
>Have you seen my Valkyries themes SoB detachment, who also, by pure coincidence, have the same aesthetics?

Too real.

God I hate Yiff players.
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>>60298834
Yeah, fucking fags should be purged from the universe for their crimes against the lore.
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REEEEEEEEE Emperor’s Children transfers

W H E N?
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>>60298893
how many layers of irony ?
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>>60298893
Anon dreadknights are a perfectly fluffy part of a GK army.
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>>60299497
Are dreadtitans?
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>>60299772
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>>60299772
What's that in the background...
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>>60298666
I'm complaining that you would call others autistic.
You can read whatever you want, just shut the fuck up
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>>60300558
A big guy.
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>>60300592
>everything must be the same
>no deviations allowed
>no, I'm not going to pick a knight house that has a colour scheme that compliments my army's colour scheme or that's fluffy to field with said army
>everything must be the same
>no deviations allowed
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>>60300694
Dr. Princeps, this is Magos Prime.
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>>60300741
Personally I think having one to three large knights or warhounds or something accompany your legion would be a great opportunity to add something different and complimentary. Why force something so boring and gaudy as legion painted Titans.
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It’s complement/complementary, with an e.

To compliment is to say nice things about something.
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>>60301127
This is a good post, it complements the thread well.
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>>60301181
This is a good post, it compliments the post well.
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>>60288245
Neat.

>>60290493
Hmm, I can see your point but the Luther/Lion relationship to me has always been heavily influenced by the consideration that El'Jonson might still be George of the Jungle-ing if Luther hadn't taken him in and even if he set out to unite the planet some other way it'd have to be with an ocean of blood instead of diplomacy.

>>60290799
>pic related
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>>60301181
>>60301198
Get a room.
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>>60301242
Does it come with a complimentary breakfast?
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>>60301275
>uh I feel like shit, time for my complimentary pancakes
>wow, you look great anon, up and at 'em sport
>thank u pancakes <3
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Okay, change of pace.

At Warhammerfest they said they were looking at giving Daemons of the Ruinstorms 6 domains (kinda like provenances): four for the Chaos gods we all know and worship, and one for a Chaos entity from old lore. That last one has got to be Malal, which was a Chaos god that (somehow - I don't remember the details) encouraged infighting among all of them, which kept the balance. The name Malal was copyrighted by someone else so GW had to give him up.

What's the sixth? Undivided? Heshut, the WHFB Chaos Dwarves' god? The Skaven god?

Undivided would probably come across as boring, except for the fact that it would mean FW took a strong stand in the argument over whether Chaos Undivided is really a thing or if it's nothing more than Chaos Undecided.
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>>60301307
Eggcelent post.
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>>60301332
Be'lakor.
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>>60301275
>>60301307
>>60301352
Enough of this reddit-tier shit, it's cereously pissing me off.
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>>60301363
Wouldn't that be Undivided?
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>>60301395
I think he's bread serious, guys.
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>>60293348
Horus: Usurper
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>>60293348
Primarch Tarot:

The Emperor: The Fool
Lion: The Hermit
?????: Wheel of Fortune/ The High Priestess
Fulgrim: The Empress
Peturabo: The Devil
Jaghatai: Temperence
Leman: Judgement
Rogal: The Sun
Konrad: The Moon
Sanguinius: The Hanged Man
Ferrus: Strength
?????: Wheel of Fortune/ The High Priestess
Angron: The Tower
Roboute: The Chariot
Mortarion: Death
Magnus: The Magician
Horus: The Emperor
Lorgar: The Hierophant
Vulkan: Justice
Corvus: The Star
Alpharius: The Lovers
Imperium: The World
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>>60296988
I think you're talking about Dorn.
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>>60301553
Remembered strength and justice the wrong way round, Vulkan should be strength and Ferrus should be justice.
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>>60301553
I find it funny that Horus is The Emperor actually.
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>>60301332
Undivided would seem to be a given, and the last would likely be Malice if only because there's nothing else.
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>>60301553
best boy
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>>60301553
So what are the four suits then?
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>>60301332
It's almost certainly malice and undivded
The only other possiblilites I can think of which are both pretty unlikely would be having a minor chaos gods faction or having demon engines as their own faction
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>>60302286
Maybe they'll be a Dark Mech faction with omnisatan daemons.
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>>60301436
Not to blow my own crumpet, but yes, I am.
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>>60301593
dorn had objections, cared about honor even in total war and wasn't all that thrilled about assassins.
Ferrus doesn't give a shit, he know what it takes to build the imperium
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>>60301332
Zuvassin, The Undoer
Necoho, The Doubter
Yssarile, The Exiled
Nekbard, He Who Change Angers
Barock, God of Thankfulness
Mahga, Best God of Winning, Believe Me
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Dropbox for the Great Crusade homebrew if anyone is interested. Can't find the second one he was talking about,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7eugwq8pcz1z3db/TheGreatCrusadeConquest%20%281%29.pdf?dl=0
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>>60301332
>khorne
>slaanesh
>nurgle
>tzeentch
>undivided
>daemons from the subrealm of damned-sky-bawdown, who are evil but not really evil just misunderstood it's all the emperor's fault actually. And every daemon has a waifu. And they're led by the greatest daemon of them all, drach'nyan, who canonically will kill all the other chaos gods sometime in the future because he's so cool.
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>>60275976
fuck you making me want to paint raven guard after I settled on fists. Now I need to swap legions again
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>>60293043
how have you put corax so low? Only reason he didn't take curze out was because he got scared of his mad reflection, he wasn't actually afraid of fighting him.
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>>60277660
please elaborate, i am genuinely curious. not a lot of people play liberation force for me to pick the brains of
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>>60293942
or maybe becoming a literal god for humanity is his only way to win
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>>60308611
If so, why did he punish Lorgar for that exact deed?
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>>60308637
Because it's a retarded theory back up only by what Erebus and Daemons say, neither of whom are known for their honesty.
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>>60282282
I like that the worst legion gets the worst models. based Forge World
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>>60308981
Anon that's a Space Wolf not a Word Bearer.
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>>60297212
It's a shame that GW dialogue has to be so serious all the time. If the primarchs got to be properly cheesy and fun with their over-the-top melodrama, the Heresy could have been the space WWE.
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>>60308611
Or take humanity in to the web way city, collapse the human web way and guide the humans without interference from the chaos gods. Let Horus win and the galaxy burns, eldar are gone, chaos burns itself and they return with humans that have 100% control and chaos doesn't rise again, unless they do stupid stuff like the old ones.
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>>60298666
It's almost harvesting season.
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>>60298666
Will we get banner lord or FAQ first?
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>>60293043
What a shit list.
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>>60310632
Neither ofc
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What are some good YT channels that do regular 30k batreps?
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>>60311883
>good
>YT
You've lost me.
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>>60311883
The 30k channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNpEIy-fvV04r8LFc0tXa6g/about
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Before you ask, from a event-exclusive novel, apparently.
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>>60314515
>sevatar is a tumblrina now
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>>60314515
Based Ahriman annihilating muh special snowflake
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>>60314515
>when you lay the smack down on PoPoC (people of planets of colour)
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>>60314515
is this the first use of "shithead" in a Warhammer novel? If so I approve and want to use it in my own personal prose for warhammer.
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>>60314515
>Jago make me lose my mind up in here, up in here
>Jago make me go all out up in here, up in here
>Jago make me act a fool up in here, up in here
>Jago make me lose my cool up in here, up in here
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Speaking of night lords, how do they actually play?
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>>60315924
gang up and run away
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>>60315938
Does it actually work?
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>>60314515
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>>60315975
occasionally.

Nightlords either win or lose on a dime as they are entirely revolving around being spooky and whether they in turn get spooked when opponents fight back.
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>>60316034
I assume they're bad against anything with armor?
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>>60314515
Any idea of the title? Is it released yet?
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>>60316224
i mean, not particularly. It's not like 40k where a legion is forbidden from carrying certain vehicles or weapons.

They are "bad" in a sense that you can't spook vehicles. It's not like busting them is an impossibility for them.
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>>60316244
Don't think it's released publicly yet, just in the "Sons Of The Emperor" weekender anthology. Anyway, the short story itself (about night lords, let's remember) is called "The Abyssal Edge". Stop laughing. I said stop it.
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>>60316327
That name is silly enough to make Dorn move his face one molecule closer to a smirk.
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>>60316293
I can't help but feel like that is a grey area for maximum same across armies.
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>>60316434
Ah yes, the Dorn-o-meter. I did like that scene in Vengeful Spirit where Dorn tried some medusan moonshine.
>The primarch's eyebrow raised a fraction, which should have told Loken what to expect.
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>>60316582
some legion kinda have to go ham on few mono builds or the mono builds are good enough.

White Scar Chongorian brotherhood is super good, World Eaters have to go massive foot slog etc.

Also Magnus and Thousand Sons have kinda put a damper in the whole vehicle spam armies due to him busting them left and right.
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>>60316327
Thanks! I still have to read it. Would anyone like a copy?
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>>60316643
Honestly, my lords are probably going to have a ton of infantry if only because I have a ton of infantry. I have 2 of each HH box and a bunch of extra bits. Pretty sure I was given enough mkiv jump packs and arms to make a full 20 ass squad.
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>>60316643
I'm not sure I'd avoid a particular build just because magnus is bullshit OP against it. Magnus is bullshit OP against a lot of things.
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>>60316643
imo, World Eaters are better served by dropping a Kharybdis or two and a few Dreadclaws. More reliable than footslogging, and it takes advantage of that Rite of War that gives you some bonus in the enemy's deployment zone.

The reliable ways of dealing with vehicles are:
>Long-ranged firepower: lascannons, Sicaran Venators, or laser destroyer Rapiers
>Outflanking short-ranged high-strength weapons, like on Vindicators (not widely available)
>Drop-podding combi-melta veterans
>Outriders, Attack Bikes, or Assault Marines with meltabombs
>Slower infantry with chainfists or meltabombs in an assault vehicle

Night Lords could use any of the last three. What they can't do is spend all their points on Terror Squads or Night Raptors and still have enough points left over to deal with tanks. Terror Assault isn't hopeless, but Horror Cult probably is. I'd still try using a generic rite of war anyway.
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>>60317356
Magnus struggles against fast numbers matchups.

People just assume Magnus will get the optimal spell list but he won't.

Telepathy that makes Magnus untouchable won't be rolled by him because Telepathy don't have witchfires for him to spam. Magnus should be rolling a single thing on daemonology or diving into telekinesis or pyromancy. This means that the secondary librarian has to be the one that has to roll it and even that's not a guarantee.
Also all these psychic source are very expensive. Reliable Magnus deathstar only possess that as a single strategy because they can't afford anything else.

Chongorian brotherhood beats a Magnus list pretty reliably due to it's speed and durability. Focusing on objective holding is also very tough to handle as well.
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>>60317535
Invisibility doesn't exist anymore.
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>>60314616
We know ADB drank that koolaid some time ago.
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>>60314616
>>60317710
And yet...
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>>60317754
>sevatar
>hero
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>>60317754

Definitely satisfies the politics one. He kills the NL Mournival equivalent to stop them bickering in Prince of Crows.
Also arguably a gritty reboot because he replaced Zso Sahaal as NL number 2.
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>>60317997
"Prince of Crows" would qualify him for the title bit as well.

such a shame the NL had to get stained by that trilogy
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>>60317754
Isn't he a gritty reboot of Zso Sahaal?
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>>60317460
Terror assault let's vets take drop pods, though. It's pretty legit.
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what's an easy and convenient way to to bring drop pods? or can only raven guard do that?
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>>60318588
Are you unfamiliar with the generic Rites of War in the Army List book?
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malal when
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>>60319503
Possibly late 2018, realistically Q1 2019.
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bump
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There's certainly a fair share of shitposting here too but the quality of this general compared to the 40k one is like night and day.
Especially since the tide of "bought BaC/BoP and expects to be spoonfed" has slowed to a trickle.
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>>60322695
dead game does that.
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Curze > Russ
He has better lore.
Fight me
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Just picked up a trio of Javelin Attack Speeders for my Imperial Fists.

Giving them the Cyclone Missile Launchers and Hunter Killer Missiles, but what’s the better investment, Heavy Bolters or Multi Meltas?
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>>60274477
>Setting my list in stone before playing any games.
I just didn't have the money and the time to spread out my purchases and build a list naturally. Now I've got a fully painted 3k RG list that is extremely lacklustre and arrives on the table in convenient bite size chunks for my opponent. I try to compensate with practice and playing for objectives, but as soon as someone brings a proper list along there is nothing I can do. Also against anything other than marines I might as well not even try.

The army looks like a million bucks though.
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>>60275976
So much this.

>This is how I imagine the Lycaeus prison riot:
https://youtu.be/H0kJLW2EwMg
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To any mechanicum bros that own secutarii or a termite: FW just put rules on their website so you can use them in 40k, if that's of any interest. And honestly, if fires of cyraxis is on the backburner while other projects are focussed on, putting out some quick 'n' dirty rules as a stopgap is a good move IMO.

Yes, I realise this isn't strictly 30k news, but there will be people here with those models, so felt it was worth letting those folks know.
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>>60325691
Nice to see FW taking requests. Hopefully that FAQ is out in a few weeks.
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>>60325691
And like everything forge world in 8th they are shit
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>>60326581
The Hoplites seem passable if you have some points left over. The Termite deserves note for being the first AdMech transport of any kind in 40k. The Peltasts are garbage though.
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Page 9 ded gaem pity bump.
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>imma post an army list
>bitches, I mean /hhg/, love army lists

Word Bearers; 1999/2000 points; Last of the Serrated Sun ROW.

>HQ
Praetor with paragon blade, iron halo, burning lore (biomancy) & meltabombs - 185

Chaplain with power axe, AA, refractor field & meltabombs - 105

>Troops
5 gal vorbak, 1 with power axe, dark martyr with AA & power fist - 235
Dreadclaw drop pod (dedicated transport) - 115

10 tactical marines with vexilla, sgt with AA & power fist - 160
Drop pod (dedicated transport) - 35

>Elites
Contemptor-mortis with assault cannons - 180

10 sniper vets with 2 plasma guns, vexilla, sgt with AA & power fist - 225
Drop pod (dedicated transport) - 35

7 weaponmaster vets with 2 power axes, sgt with AA & power fist - 169

>Fast attack
Dreadclaw drop pod (carries both HQs & weaponmaster vets) - 115

2 land speeders with 2 grav guns - 110

>Heavy support
1 vindicator with laser destroyer array - 130

Sicaran venator - 190
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>O shit guize all this 40k mehrin stuf is lctb...
>Guess they must be killing 40k. 40k ded gaem lolololol

See this? This is how it looks when panic sets in.
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>>60326581
Much like FW under 3rd-5th.

They don't adapt to rules quickly.
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>>60323977
they're equal in terms of that. I will say they're more interesting than Vulkan or Guilliman though.
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>>60329512
are those new? Looking nice. I don't like the RS but I will admit their models are pretty sexy.
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>>60330231
They've been out for a while I think.
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All the termite hype has me thinking about one for my Night Lords because the thought of a bunch of them bursting out of the ground sounds hilarious to me. Think I could feasibly work it into a Terror Assault?
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>>60330231
They're on "Last Chance To Buy" this week, so better get them quick if you want them.
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hey bros. i just got some fw stuff, but I can't decide between imperial fists or alpha legion. thoughts?
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>>60330281
Years, back before the heresy even began. They came out before contemptors and deimos and HH armor marks. It was FW's first foray into anything older than mkvi, back when they were doing the badab war.
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>>60330424
to clarify, i just got generic units, nothing legion specific, so I'm not tied to either one right now
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>>60330449
sold out and unavailable due to remolding I imagine, no announcements and no "Last Chance To Buy" as a clearance of stock.
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>>60330529
There is no way they’re doing away with unique legion terminators
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>>60277344
have i deepstriked so far
and is the game turn so late?
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>>60330590
>There is no way they’re doing away with unique legion terminators
exactly, but models need new molds once in a while and with all the sharp wingy bits on those, they're probably murder on their molds.
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>>60314515
Is this from the Sons of The Emperor exclusive? Dammit I wish I could get ahold on that book
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>>60325691
>put out rules for secutarii
>arc lances are accidentally listed as S3
>people comment about it
>correct them to S+3 in less than 2 hours
YOU SEE HOW EASY IT IS, FORGEWORLD? YOU CAN JUST PUT OUT FAQS AND ERRATAS ONLINE. AND IF THE FAQ ISN'T PERFECT, YOU CAN CORRECT IT. IT'S THAT EASY, FORGEWORLD. IT'S THAT FUCKING EASY.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
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>>60314515
I like Sev, despite being tryhard edgelord. But Ahriman is still my fav HH dude.
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>>60329512
40k is mainline GW.
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>>60331741
It bugs me that he's too accommodating and passive. He's like a lost emotional child around Magnus, and he's always humble and polite around assholes but suddenly go kid with magnifying glass tier cruel to random people. Also, why does absolutely zero people respect him? Fellow TS constantly give him shit, and there's no Argel x Kharn bromance with anyone
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>>60330814
Things can be arranged. Things have been arranged, praise to the mysterious benefactor.

Sons of The Emperor

https://www51.zippyshare.com/v/sNl43JNd/file.html
https://www51.zippyshare.com/v/5rBAybcb/file.html
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>>60331491
Breathe anon
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>>60332736
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>>60332736
Awesome. Thanks anon.
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>>60332736
Fucking grand
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Who else is waiting for transfers?
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>>60333137
Which helmets are those? They look neat.
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Would it be possible to play a table game over the internet like people used to play long distance chess over letters?

I mean I imagine a large chunk of the fun is seeing each others models but where I live is not white enough for these types of hobbies.
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>>60333707
You would identical tables (probably set up for it) and a second army identical to the opponent. And someone you could trust enough not to be fudging dice rolls.

It's really not feasible.
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>>60333533
Palatine blades
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>>60332736
Thanks anon.

while anon is feeling generous, did anyone ever post a scan of Primarchs: Jaghatai Khan Warhawk of Chogoris?
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>>60333865
Well, one could use like coins and stuff as placeholders to keep the table.

I would hope to find someone who enjoys actually playing the game enough not to have to worry about cheating, I mean this isn't a tourney, but after lurking /tg/ long enough I guess its not feasible.
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>>60332736
Holy fuck, you made my day, thanks anon!




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