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>Sorcerers power based on charisma
What's the reasoning for this
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>>60820235
A Wizards power is derived from pulling mana from their surrounding by having a fundamental understanding of the natural world and what do do to channel mana sources.

Sorcerers just kinda wing it and go "AYYY TREES how about a little juice for papa, you know what I"m sayin"
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>>60820235
In 5e? The design team decided they needed a Cha-based caster to satisfy 3e sacred cows
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>>60820235
maybe it's actually the other way around, the innate magical power emanating from their body gives them a more commanding presence, so the stronger their natural casting ability is the more charisma they've got
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>>60820235
They're just exceptionally good at faking it due to charisma.
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>>60820341
This, Sorcs should be CON casters and Warlocks should be INT
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>>60820235
Raw force of will/personality.
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CHA is the mental stat of being present, like CON is the physical stat of being present. Sorcerers just have minds that do magic, they don't need any special habits or rote sequences.
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Because CHA didn't do enough things
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>>60820370
>sorcerers don't actually throw fireballs they just convince the target they were just exploded
This concept makes me laugh
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OP seems to believe they store mana in their tits
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>>60820235
Sorcerers can manipulate arcana but don't have proper schooling, so they go with their gut and then stick to their guns. It's not "force of personality" that makes their magic work, it's being certain that they winged the right thing.
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>>60820532
What, she's a sorceress, that means high charisma generally, which also means they look good, the fighter from the same game is ripped, it makes sense
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>>60820235
Compared to a Cleric using Wisdom to understand the will of another being and interpreting it into spells that they're given, a Sorcerer is imposing their own will on the world, their Charisma being a measure of how much force they can put into their abilities.

It's essentially just willpower and determination, though not quite the same sort as wisdom
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>>60820235
Ultimately it comes down to having a Charisma-based spellcaster for variety. If Charisma was really about "the force of your personality", then spells that try to alter your personality should save against Charisma, but both 3e and 5e are incredibly inconsistent about that. If I had to pick a stat that would actually make sense, it would be Wisdom as that's usually the miscellaneous mental stat.
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I think it's a willpower or strengh of character kind of think. You are pretty much imposing your will on reality.
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>>60820235
there weren't any CHA casters when the sorcerer was introduced but there were already WIS and INT ones, and CHA was traditionally considered a dump stat
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>>60820235
>be on nofap
>go on /tg/
>????
>HNNNNNNNG
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>>60820877
>falling for the no fap meme
You know that it lowers your T levels after the first week to below normal, is bad for your heart and stress levels, increases your risk for prostate cancer, and causes testicular and penile shrinkage right? And that literally the only thing backing it up as beneficial are a bunch of retards mumbling that it made them feel better sort of
No porn is another discussion though
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>>60820407
>Warlocks should be INT
>Literal retards that sell their souls for a sprinkle of power should be INT based
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>>60820235
Charisma is force of will and personality. A sorcerer’s magical power comes from within themselves, and whatever magical force imparted this inborn magic to them. As such, sorcerers don’t learn spells so much as they unlock dormant abilities through willpower and self-discovery. They cast spells by believing in themselves really hard, because they have the gift of magic without learning how magic works, mastery of song, a god’s favor, or a pact with a greater entity. They just have the power.
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Non-caster class weren't quite irrelevant enough, so now Chad MaximizedChainLightingCock can pick up wenches better than the Bard.
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>>60820938

Not that guy, but I did No-Fap Feb just to see if I could. However I misunderstood the directions and thought you just couldn't finish. So I basically accidentally edged for a month straight. At the end I came so hard I blacked out.
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>>60821004
You know edging like that is also really bad for your dick
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>>60821004
I edged for a week once and thought my balls would explode near the end. Kudos anon.
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>>60820347
that's kind of an interesting idea
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>>60820968
>mfw I'm went straight wizard
>mfw everyone on my team multi-classed into hexblade but me
EVERYONE
>sorceror, bard, cleric
>the fucking cleric
>oh well guess i'll make flying undead
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>>60820235
You're drawing the power not from knowledge of the mechanics of reality, or force of will and faith, but from innate strength and inner power. CHA is the closest for that and isn't used by another spellcasting class
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>>60820797
Really 5e dropped the ball by not dividing former Will saves between Wisdom and Charisma more evenly.
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>>60821579
Should it have had the 4e version of Will or some sort of averaging formula?
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>>60821679
No, more just needs to be looked over and have things sorted into one category or the other.

Like the Confusion spell for example is something that could be Wisdom, since it's a matter of how clear your thoughts are, while something like Command that is actively trying to get you to act in a specific way might fit better as Charisma.
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>>60820968
The fuckers who litteraly have to talk a cosmic scale entity into empowering them by selling either their soul or the souls of the fuckers they kill, or something like that. The ones who have their power because they made social fu with Satan and won? Those Jack asses?

Int based? They are probably the best case for a Cha based caster.
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>>60820938
Not watching porn is part of nofap. And just because its not supported by peer reviewed studies doesn't mean its bullshit. I've done alot in my life that wasn't supported or refused by peer reviewed studies which worked out great.
>You know that it lowers your T levels after the first week to below normal, is bad for your heart and stress levels, increases your risk for prostate cancer, and causes testicular and penile shrinkage right?
citation needed.
>>60821004
The whole point is to not touch your dick and not watch porn. Sex is cool though.
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>>60821866
that's retarded for any number of reasons, but mainly because it's not how it works at all. a warlock's magic grows stronger as their CHA increases, which by your logic would imply that every time they get a CHA boost (even from an item or something) they phone up their patron and renegotiate their pact.
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>>60822110
Just look up the benefits of regular ejaculation anon, and look up what happens to a dick that's been locked chastity, or just use common sense and think about what happens to muscles when they aren't used
I don't know why no fappers always fight so hard to defend the retarded practice, as long as you aren't jerking one out 10 times a day there's nothing wrong with fapping
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>>60820523
Could work as an explanation in planescape ir something
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>>60822205
>what happens to muscles when they aren't used
the penis is literally not a muscle
>>60822205
>jerking one out 10 times a day there's nothing wrong with fapping
Agreed. Nofap is just for addicts.
>I don't know why no fappers always fight so hard to defend the retarded practice
I'm just trying to clear up some missconceptions. Also why do people (i.E You) try to talk about and give advice about shit they completly oblivious about? Its fine to admit that you don't know something. Nofap works for me, don't do it if you don't think it will serve you.
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>>60820998
>bards
>not casters
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Thread successfully derailed.
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>>60820347
makes sense since a shit ton of cha + races are innately magical creatures
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>>60822321
>muscle
It's just an example
>oblivious
Fucking irony
Here's a study that backs up that it's good for your prostate
https://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
Do you have anything at all to support your case besides "it works for me"
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It becomes clear that people don't understand CHA casting as force of personality because they have no personality and assume it just means "attractiveness"
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>>60822591
>tries to discredit nofap
>links an article that says "more frequent ejaculation" is beneficial
So a jerk off and porn addict should just keep going because ejaculation is beneficial? Jesus you're fucking retarded.
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>>60821026
How much edging is too much? I tend to fap without finishing for about an hour on average; longest I can remember is 3 hours.
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>>60820968
Precisely.

KNOWING not to do so is WIS
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>>60822701
>tries to convince people no fap is the way to go
>just makes a straw man, doesn't discredit a study that's put before him, doesn't provide any hard evidence supporting his own case
>b-believe me though
Go, you've lost this one
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>>60820235
Their magic use is partly instinctual and is will power based.
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>>60820235
Who would play a Sorcerer in 5e? It's like punishing your party for having you in it.
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>>60822767
Generally don't go over an hour, and actually ejaculate after each session, your prostate fills with seminal fluid while you are edging and holding it in the way you are can lead to a UTI, bladder infection, possible fertility problems, and can cause weakening of your kegels due to inactivity meaning your cum no longer shoots and just dribbles out
Take care of your dicks guys, don't fall for memes and do some research on how your junk works
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>>60823133
>meaning your cum no longer shoots and just dribbles out
I shot myself in the chin once
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>>60822110
Thats a pretty ironic set of statements.

Saying no citation needed for your statement but then asking for a citation.
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>>60820341
Or several.
>Paladin
>Sorcerer
>Warlock
>Bard
I think they just really wanted to change the defacto dump stat from Charisma to Intelligence, because holy fuck, having high charisma means you can multiclass into pretty much anything and easily surpass the rest of the party.
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>>60822156
I see you never worked under a contract before.
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>>60823247
Lightweight. If you can't hit the ceiling, did you even really ejaculate?
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>>60823354
i've never had a contract with a great old one, but i assume that a warlock who gains charisma can't just renegotiate on the spot with horrible monsters from beyond time and space, nor does it make sense that if their charisma decreased for whatever reason their contract would suddenly get worse too
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>>60823406
“Oh I’m sorry, but you bargained position doesn’t seem as stable I think I will give you the minimum amount of power.”

“You clearly have a point, I think I will increase your allotment of my power.”
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>>60821866
do you know how dismissive and condescending greentext works?
are you a newfag?
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>>60822205
>look up what happens to a dick that's been locked chastity
An area of study in which I'm sure you are well-experienced.
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>>60820235
Because the word "Charisma" has the connotation of something divinely-gifted. It's like an unexplained, otherworldly power.

So like, this >>60820347 is a pretty reasonable way to look at it.
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>>60822110
>And just because its not supported by peer reviewed studies doesn't mean its bullshit.
that's precisely what it means you brainlet retard
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>>60820235
Because Charisma is a MENTAL stat that is supposed to represent force of personality/will.

It has nothing to do with physical looks. Excepting a few physical things that provide a penalty in some instances.
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>>60820523
Do you think it is air you're breathing?
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>>60823347
It was originally a INT based class. Wizard only playing autists threw a shitfit over it during beta.
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>>60820407

This, unless you are actively seducing your patron for every spell you cast charisma warlocks make no sense
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>>60820235
My flat mage would slap those useless meat sacks around out of jealousy and anger
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>>60824490
Good, describe it while I take my pants off
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>>60824490
(you) on the right
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>>60824445
>ywn trade sex to a fey queen for spells
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>>60824636
I slap right, the right meat sack moves to the right
I slap left, the left meat sack moves to the left.

>>60824658
Girl needs to go on a diet
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>>60820235

HOW DID SHE NOT NOTICE THE DRIPPING ON HER TITS ARE THEY FAKE WTF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
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>>60824757
>Girl needs to go on a diet

You're off your fucking head, you know that?
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>>60824757
>Girl needs to go on a diet
Fuck off, people like you are the reason why women are shit. If anything, she needs to lift.

Also
>using 'diet' as a verb rather than a noun
this is why fat people stay fat
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>>60822701
>jerk off and porn addict
Two things that literally do not exist. Having a high libido and jerking off twice a day is not an addiction. Seeing a person you wanna fuck and getting aroused is not an addiction. Your sexuality is not something to be ashamed by you puritan faggot.
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>>60827021
They used diet as a noun you fucking spastic.
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>>60820235
Warlock - Cha
Sorcerer - Int
Wizard - Wis
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>>60820235
This bitch ever heard of a napkin? For fuck's sake.
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>>60820968

Explain to me how having a cosmic being teach you magic and learning how to do the same magic in a school warrants to different classes
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>>60827759
You can become addicted to dopamine release. How you get that rush varies, though.
And speaking for myself, porn can be addictive. After a while it was something done out of habit rather than need, so I quit. Now I can get a boner normally again.
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>>60827793
t. idiotic millennial who doesn't know what a noun is

I know common core and new """math""" has undermined the lost generation, but even idiots know nouns are doing words, like "diet", "go" and "read", which you should stop playing pokemon go and do a bit more of.
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>>60828166
>t. ageing retard who think age equal knowledge

Saying you are going on a diet doesn't make diet a verb.

>I'm going on a rollercoaster
Guess roller coaster is now a verb
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>>60824658
That hits me in several key fetish points. Bless you anon, you are doing divine work here.
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>>60827759
> t. Literally Wanker in denile
Lol *snap* yup, this one is goin in mai Cringe Compilation.
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>>60820566
>high charisma means a character looks good
Charisma literally has nothing to do with looks.
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>>60827759
>Your sexuality is not something to be ashamed by
But it is. I honestly wish that all things sexual would be removed from our culture, society, and from the human race itself.
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>>60828142
You are her napkin. Now lick it up.
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>>60828301
>humanity dies off because no children
Genius.
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>>60820235
orgone
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>>60828462
You say that like its a bad thing.
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>>60828408
Yes mommy
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>>60828503
So it literally only puts out electromagnetic energy in the process of being made. Brilliant.
Orgone wands crack me up, they're clearly dildos for "solitary wiccans" who can't perform the Great Rite.
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>>60820797
>Ultimately it comes down to having a Charisma-based spellcaster for variety.
You mean like bards and warlocks?
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>>60828157
Warlocks aren't taught, they just channel their master's power
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>>60828282
It can.
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>>60820235
Sorcery is based on force of personality. Why is this so hard?
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>>60820407
Sorcs should be Cha, Warlocks should be Wis.
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>>60828166
Common core is post-millennial. Get off 4chan and take your meds, grandpa, you’re going delusional again.
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>>60830213
>Warlocks aren't taught

they are though
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>>60827021
>>60828166
Bitch is fat gramps
And you are real fucking stupid
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>>60831681
They're taught a couple of rituals to channel power but way more importantly, they're given permission to use it. Their progression is less about them becoming better at doing warlock stuff and more them gaining their patron's favor to give them more power. That sounds like CHA to me.
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>>60820235
Is the magic I pressed when my “charisma” amounts merely to being a titty monster?
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>>60823676
>nothing to do with looks
>looks affect it
Pick one.
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>>60828503
I always use New Age concepts as explanations for magic in homebrews.
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>>60831778
>They're taught a couple of rituals to channel power but way more importantly, they're given permission to use it.

Some of the magic that warlocks use comes from their own research, not patrons.

>In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical abilily.

And some patrons are not even aware of the warlock drawing power from them, let alone permissive of it.

>The Great Old One might be unaware of your existence or entirely indifferent to you, but the secrets you have learned allow you to draw your magic from it.

Note *the secrets you have learned* allow you to draw your magic from your patron, not the patron themselves.

If all this sounds INT based it's because it originally was, it was only changed to CHA at the last minute.
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>>60824490
t. Elf
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>>60820235
Remember that teen titans episode where ravens and starfires body's got switched and they talked about how their powers are based on their emotions? Like that
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>>60820235
You know those natural born telepaths/telekinetics from fiction, like Carrie? When they get mad or scared, shit starts to go all poltergeist around them?

Sorcerers are like that. As we all know, charisma is related to the emotions - or how well you can relate to them. Since sorcerers' power is based on emotions, the extent to which you can place yourself in an emotion is the extent of that power. Thus: higher charisma, stronger spells.
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>>60834253
But Raven clearly studies magic texts and meditates, she has to be an INT caster.
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>>60821579
>Wisdom saves: resisting mind control
>Charisma saves: resisting your reality being broken (e.g. being planeshifted)
Admittedly, that doesn't explain polymorph...
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>>60834515
Meditation really doesn't correlate to any stat. Also chants might not even be real spells, just focus for concentration
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>>60834515
She does that for a hobby, not to control her powers. Like one of the central things that's driven home in multiple episodes is that she keeps her emotions in check because anytime they flare up her powers go out of wack.
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>>60834596
These really should be switched, like so much in 5e.
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>>60834603
I think meditation is typically paired with WIS, since monks do that.
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>>60834759
Eastern meditation is WIS, meditation as in premeditation is INT. This difference is due to translation.
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>>60820877
Just get off this website entirely you idiot.
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>>60830213
>they just channel their master's power
I thought that was a cleric thing? Warlocks have the power engraved or imbued in them, rather than channeling the power from some place else, or did I get that wrong?
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>>60835806
you aren't wrong. It's just one motherfucker from the /5eg/ discord who keeps spamming about his dumbass INTlock homebrew.
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>>60832048
Usually I'm partial to musclegirls, but I do like the idea of a motherly mage gently going ara ara~.
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>>60822996
True power is Quickened teleport spells. The number of times I've saved my party from certain death with teleport spam...
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>>60821503
Bards and warlocks.
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>>60831290
>selling your soul
>having high wisdom
choose one
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>>60820480
I think this is the main reasoning right here. Also remember WoTc borrows heavily from other systems. Other popular systems broke "magic" into 3 main areas: channeling power from a deity, mastering arcane secrets, and power that came directly from the creature itself through the strength of its will, presence, psionics etc. Sorcerers were the 3e nod to this 3rd type of "reality manipulator"
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>>60838544
You do realize this is never what a pact is, right? No one is going to sell their soul for a cantrip.
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>>60820968
>>60838544
>selling your soul
>not selling your stupidity
Well it's obvious what bargain you two made.
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>>60822205
>as long as you aren't jerking one out 10 times a day
I guess I need to reduce my output.
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>>60824445
Reminder that people used to think that witches fucked demons to get magic.
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>>60840203
>you will never fuck a hot demon/elder evil/celestial/fae chick and get powers from doing so
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>>60840304
The power was specifically in their semen.
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>>60840362
It would be in female arousal wetness too then
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>>60840362
>t. Odin
not falling for that one again.
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>>60821004
I swear I have seen this exact post before.
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>>60840546
If I came so hard I blacked out I'd probably tell the story as often as I could.
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>>60820968
>>Literal retards that sell their souls for a sprinkle of power should be INT based
A. That would be Wis, not Int
B. Not every warlock sells their fucking souls, many steal the fucking power from their 'pact' sworn right beneath their, usually sleeping, noses
Sorcerer casting is in built to their very soul, having been influenced through their bloodline or exposure to extreme power sources. Wizards decode the universe's words of power to draw energy from other planes of existence temporarily then close the door to prevent danger, requiring preparation.
Warlocks borrow their power from superior, non godly beings who do not possess the same limitations as gods. They either steal or bargain for it, gaining specific traits based on the source individual and ready access to it.




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