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Foggy Shithole Edition

WFRP:
Preview PDF released, final version being released within a few weeks. Print expected in September.

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>>61350481
Has anyone had a chance to play a quick session of 4e to test it? I ran The Pig, The Witch and Her Lover using it and it was great. Went smooth and the combat with the corrupt Boar was brutal.
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>>61350579
Yeah, I've ran three now. It's fun as hell.
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>>61350588
I'm really eager to see the Director's Cut of TEW. It's been forever since I ran that campaign and I think it's probably the most iconic WFRP module. It'll be my vehicle for luring my FLGS away from 5e and Pathfinder, for a while at least.
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Was he right,/wfg/?
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>>61350649
I'm just hyped that The Enemy Within is going to be 800 fucking pages.
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>>61350887
>move to Norsca
>worship Chaos
>end up catching arrows for Archaon's army
Yeah, no.
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>>61350887
Chaos a shit.
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>>61350481
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>reading the new RPG
>casting is pure shit and useless
Ooooooof
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>>61351679
Damn, spotted the guy who's never actually played it.
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>>61351691
Go on, give me the quick rundown then.
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>>61351698
All wizards start with a grimoire. You can cast any spell from it except Lore spells, it's just harder than if you actually spend the experience to learn it. This means that you'll have to channel. Let's say you have a basic Blast spell, with a CN of 4. Your basic bitch apprentice doesn't know about how to Blast, so he has to Channel. It takes longer and has a higher risk of failure, but once he gets 8 SLs he can attempt to cast the spell as if it had a CN of 0.

What exactly don't you like about it? Magic in WFRP has never been like D&D, where you can solve encounters from the start. Magic in 4e is more powerful than in 2e, because you don't have to join a new career to get better at casting magic.
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>>61351400
I wonder what they were thinking.
>hey let's add lizard rape monsters to our setting
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>>61352096
It was a more innocent time.
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>>61351866
It just doesn't seem worth the time investment. Smacking a guy with a sword seems better 95% of the time.
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>>61352204
But then he can smack you with a sword.
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>>61352221
The enemy can also do that if you are trying to cast.
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>>61350588
>>61350579

As someone who never played 2E or tabletop it looks so unique. Plus the lore so far has got my brain flooding with inspiration. Y'all got advice for a first time WFRPG GM?
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>>61350579

I tried using mechanics from 4e in the finale session of Paths of the Damned. I am really liking 4e's changes so far, and the players really liked advantage and opposed rolls for combat in general.
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>>61352204
It was never worth the time investment. You played wizards for the same reason you played a rat catcher. Getting immersed in the world. Combat classes have always been better 95% of the time. People on this board have serious 2e nostalgia goggles. Wizards were fucking garbage.
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>>61352324

Don't run monster of the week. It can be tempting to just throw interesting monsters at the players right away, but try to think of daemons and chaos warriors, even just a bestigor, as a BIG DEAL instead of something to throw in a fight.
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>>61351679

Casting seems fine to me. Casting is affected by advantage. You shouldn't think of magic in a vacuum. Spend a few actions gathering advantage with intuit or lore checks. Getting the necessary SLs will be much easier if you have 2+ advantage. This isn't even including having an ally with leadership feed you advantage!
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>>61350949
Seriously?! That would be really nice
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>>61350481
Give me a quick rundown on the new edition. What is good? What is bad? What is just perfect? What is complete shit?

I tried asking about it in other threads but all I get is some retarded memeing about sjws or something.
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>>61350887
Kek, what a pathetic LARPer. This is actually fairly well written, gets mindset of people like that just right.
>muh ancestors knew better
>muh way of life
>muh return to the roots
Literal fucking hippie but with an axe.
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>>61352204
>w-why is this system not balanced, I want to compete with Bob-The-Warrior not actually roleplay a character as he is in a setting
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>>61352525
>>61352862
Ok cool, I mean I would prefer if it was more balanced but hey it's not like I have a group anymore.
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>>61353051
Well yeah, you kept being a powergamer and lost them all. Right your ways.
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>>61353051
Wizards have more potential in 4e than in any other edition, and start with more options than ever before. But the fact remains that wizards are people like anyone else, and they usually don't go adventuring.
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>>61353067
That's not true.
>>61353177
Fair enough. I think I'm missing something about casting, I guess I should reread those rules.
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>>61353416

The thing you may be missing is there is no cap on putting points in skills and stats. You can raise your INT above 100. And spells get more powerful the more SL you have. And Advantage also affects the spell casting check. So you have a much higher cap than in previous editions if you keep feeding XP into being a wizard.
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>>61350887
I really like this. It's actually a realistic and believable reason for some poor sap to march north and join the chaos hordes.
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>>61352096
Beastmen were already rape monsters. This was when Warhammer was marketed to late teens and adults, not 9-year-olds.
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C7 was smart to join the RCG Discord. They're tapping into weapons grade autism for the typos and errata.
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>>61354368
God bless Andy Law. He really cares about this shit being good.
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>>61354368

What discord is this?
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>>61354699
Rat Catcher's Guild. It opened up not long after the C7 forum shut down.
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>>61354699
Tinyurl slash wfrpdiscord
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>>61354713

Hey thanks buddy.
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So is the new edition any good?
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>>61355107
Yeah it's great. Still needs some polish but then it's not been officially released yet. What we've got is already better than 3e and it fixes a lot of what was wrong with 2e.

Some people here shit on it though, especially those Zweihander fanboys stuck up Daniel Fox's ass so far their nose is poking his stomach.
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>>61355148
What are the upcoming releases?
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>>61355171
>Starter Set
>Rough Nights and Hard Days
>Enemy Within Director's Cut

Other than that, it's unknown the order the books will come out, and when. TEW is going to be five books in total, 160 pages each.
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Where can I find a group to play the new RPG with me?
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>>61356184
Roll20.
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>>61352696
What's out seems good, though the talents introduce a lot of bloat ruleswise. There is a certain amount of 'current year' bullshit, but it's easy to ignore since it's just fluff.
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>>61350887
Reading this I kept expecting it to side track into a Conan monologue, bitching about Hyperborea and his goddamn troubled brow.
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>>61355229
The Enemy Within Director's Cut will also have a Road Life of the Empire supplement to mirror River Life of the Empire featured in the original Death on the Reik (which will probably also get a rewrite/reprint)
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>>61356547
based
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>>61356547
What does he do anon?
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>>61350481
Question Time:
>Skaven Vampires, yay or nay?
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>>61358125
He covets
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>>61358149
Nay. Not even by accident.
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>>61358161
I CAN SMELL YER CUNT
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>>61358273
It'd only take one to just...straight fuck up Skavenblight.
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What's your favorite Stormhost?

I know they are totally vanilla but I really like the Hammers of the Sigmar - that scheme is classic.
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>>61358319
Is there really enough ratcorpses left to run a risk to Skavenblight? I'd always assumed they ate everything.
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>>61352096
They were thinking right.
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>>61353177
Finally, I can play an army demolishing wizard. Shit, it's like I'm back in 1ed.
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>>61352096
>>61358392
Firmirs and Zoats, man. Their first attempts at unique species for the setting and they just come up with gorilla--centaurs and skesis.
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>>61358420
Skeksis were kinda cool in The Dark Crystal.

Also: Garthim.
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>>61358440
Oh yeah, brother. The creature design in Dark Crystal was some next level shit. It just feels ironic that GW first attempt at unique IP were pretty bland/rip-offs, and their second attempt was to just change everything's names.
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>>61358489
Fair point.
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>>61358377
Didn't this come up in /tg/ a while back? And we concluded that if rattie vamps were a thing, it'd probably be one of the duties of Clan Eshin to deal with them?
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>>61358125
He eats food and kills things.
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>>61358149
Yes, but only as one-off macguffins for RPG campaigns or stories.
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>>61358625
Clan Eshin usually liquidates worshipers of the Old Gods, users of necromancy, and general heretics on the Grey Seers' orders.
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>>61358640
Or for unique 'your dudes' armies.
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>>61358652
Fits.

I could see a Necrach creating a weird skaven/vampire hyrid and then setting it loose in The Dark Beneath to stir up shit.
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>>61358420
Fimir are nothing like Skeksis. They're Irish bog demons, coming in with the fog and taking off hot girls to deep dick.
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>>61358751
He's talking aesthetics, not character. Mind you, Tzeentch already has the skesis aesthetic down.
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>>61358787
If anything, the Skaven elite have the most skeksis-like traits and characterization.
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>>61350481
Hey so I was looking at the Creation Tables for making 40k units on 1d4chan (>1d4chan, I know) but I tried to come up with a valid version for WHFB.

https://pastebin.com/R8ZDdENR

The first one is for rolling up a Knightly Order, while the second is for rolling up a State-Trooper Regiment. So far, they've seemed to work alright.
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>>61358942
I'll give it a crack.

Let's roll up order, founding and praise.
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Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>61359123
Rollin for Origin
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Rolled 7 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>61358942
>>61359123
frickersnickerphonepostinggrumblefrick
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Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>61359209
Alright, a religious group. How old are they?
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Rolled 82 (1d100)

>>61359302
A religious group founded around the crusades, alright. Who do we venerate?
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Rolled 4 (1d10)

>>61359320
A Myridian Crusade Order of Holy Veneration, I'm sensing a flavour. How do we recruit?
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Rolled 4 (1d10)

>>61359359
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>>61359359
>>61359403

Only the best of the Nobility it appears, but that makes sense for a Crusading Order that's been around a while. What are the Knight's character then?
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Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>61359422
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Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>61359482
A bunch of rad cunts who are apparently pretty cool dudes. But what's the flaw then.
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>>61359513
>>61359482
So guys who are all cool guys, who're willing to do evil shit if it's required to win then. That kinda works. Anyone wanna role for the founder?
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>>61352789
>abandons life to migrate into a hellscape and live as a demon worshipping barbarian
>LARPer
This term has lost all meaning.
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Should fate points stop a TPK?
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>>61359754
They should stop that character being killed, not the whole party.
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>>61359754
RAW, spending a fate point to avoid death should still take the player out of the fight. If the entire party is 'killed' and all burn fate, a DM might reason, for example, they're taken prisoner.
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I just saw an editable sheet for 4th WHFRP, and is it just me or is there no corruption/insanity mechanic in this edition?
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>>61359788
>>61359754
Depending on circumstances, I'd allow it. A fate point isn't a 'lol I dont die' button, it's a tiny moment of retcon that changes the circumstances and lets you keep on trucking.

That blow that would have decapitated you? It knocks you out and you wake up after the battld, being nursed by a villager.

The giant boulder that crushed you? Actually you're now stuck on the wrong side of a cave in, trying to find your way out.
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>>61359898
It's called corruption. The guy forgot to put it on the sheet.
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>>61360237
Oh, good. I've been wanting to see if this system or a previous edition could be lightly modified to run a game of CoC.
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>>61358489
To be fair, the Fimir did have that Celtic mythology shit behind them. These weren't dumb people, they just weren't the most original designers - and I think at the time it was one CEO or some fuck going 'come on guys we gotta get something that sets us apart' and no one was agreeing that strongly.
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>>61361188
Basically the CEO (Bryan Ansell) said that Warhammer needed a unique monster to set it apart from previous properties they made minis for, so he invented Zoats. Everyone thought it was fucking lame and that Ansell was a retard, so Graeme Davis, Jes Goodwin, and Tony Ackland got together and made Fimir, based on Celtic mythology (Fimir itself being a shortened form of Fomorian).

As for the rapey bits, Graeme Davis clarified that later on.

>The most controversial aspect of the Fimir, their need to kidnap human women for breeding, came from an Orkney creature called a kunal-trow, which is probably a distorted folk memory of troll-myths brought to those islands by the Vikings. When I wrote the description of the Fimir, I didn’t give this feature enough though, as I now realize; at the time it somehow never occurred to me that the legends were talking about kidnapping and rape. It should have, and I regret this.
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>>61361317

Oh fucking please Graeme. Just admit it was a different time.
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>>61361379
Yeah, but by the time anyone actually cared, the times had changed.
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>>61361379
There is no such a time where rape was okay in a game played by children or in general.
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>>61362327
It wasn't really targeted towards children though. It was targeted to an audience maybe 3 or 4 years older than the AD&D crowd, and AD&D mostly advertised to people 13 and up.

However, this was also 30 years ago and AD&D may have been advertised differently in the US.
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>>61362327

We are talking about a game where genocide, religious persecution, suppression of democracy, assassination, infanticide/infant abandonment, and murder of the disabled are core parts of the setting. It also has a demon-god of taking sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll too far.

So yeah there absolutely was a time when you could include rape in the background for a monster in a war game without the Moral Majority wringing their pearls. Stories and myths involving rape are pretty common in classical history. And as Graeme Davis had a degree in archaeology I find the idea he didn't know that those legends were referencing rape to be laughable.
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>>61362539
>genocide, religious persecution, suppression of democracy, assassination, infanticide/infant abandonment, and murder of the disabled are core parts of the setting. It also has a demon-god of taking sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll too far.

You can see all of that in a Saturday day morning cartoon but guess what you can't see? RAPE.
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>>61362761

No you couldn't. Most Saturday morning cartoons didn't even have death or serious injury in them.

Fuck off back to Critical Role.
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>>61362908
That's goalpost moving. Fact is all the themes you mentioned are present in child's cartoons.

While there is violence in various degrees in cartoons, you will never find sexual violence unless you count a certain Skunk.
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>>61362370
My knowledge is limited, but I agree with this. The fantasy books from the time I read were willing to include things that I probably shouldn't have read as a young kid, and we all know that at one point TTRPGs were getting attacked out of a satanic panic, even if that was relatively more recent.

Even if it wasn't intended for adults only, the stuff that worked on adults worked well enough on younger people too. The only time when I felt like I was really shocked by something was a rather frank account of a soldier's time in Vietnam, and I kind of regret losing that book. The assassinations and murder and imprisonment and whatever else in fantasy was just all part of the story.
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>>61363169
>you won't find sexual violence except for when you do
the absolute state of liberals
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>>61363239
Give examples other than the harassing skunk.
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>>61362761
What sort of Saturday morning cartoons did you watch as a kid?
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>>61363267
Sonic Satam, for example.
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>>61363169
>That's goalpost moving.

No that was your attempt to compare Warhammer to a child's cartoon in response to me saying there was a time you could mention real and historically common bad things in your RPG or war game without the left-wing Moral Majority clutching at pearls.

>Fact is all the themes you mentioned are present in child's cartoons.

Bullshit. Only if you generalise them to an absurd degree and think that a kid in a wheelchair getting bullied being portrayed as a negative thing is equivalent to how people in the Warhammer world treat mutants. Or you are counting more adult anime as "child's cartoons".

Warhammer is also not a cartoon aimed at pre-teens. I've read plenty of well known YA fiction that mentioned or implied rape.
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>>61363336
>in response to me saying there was a time you could mention real and historically common bad things in your RPG or war game without the left-wing Moral Majority clutching at pearls.

Except these games are played by children and young adults. No game company would risk putting that crap in especially during the DnD scare.

>Warhammer is also not a cartoon aimed at pre-teens.

Actually, goings from the ads and the people that actually populate the FLGS, warhams players tend to be very young.

> Only if you generalise them

No generalising needed. Tyranny and violence can be seen in cartoons. I mean the Thundercats were driven from their homeworld by the mutants after who conquered it and genocided the cats people.
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>>61363257

Nearly every Warner character had at least one episode where a male character got dressed up as a woman and was sexually assaulted by another character. Some even had implied rape gags.
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>>61352096
>Warhammer had been born out of the fact Games Workshop was only a distributor of other games and their subordinate companies Citadel and Marauder (the two later merged) made minis for those IPs with some not selling as well (how many people need a unicorn in the first place, let alone more than one?). Warhammer turned the basics of D&D into a wargame to sell those minis, and when Games Workshop lost exclusive rights or the entire right to distribute an IP, they discontinued the line and rebranded them; for example the Broo minis they produced for Glorantha next year were rebranded Beastmen despite being the exact same sculpts.

>Around the time of the explosion in Warhammer popularity as 2e transitioned into 3e (the first edition with a proper setting, and the inclusion of Chaos) as well as the imminent birth of Warhammer 40000 the CEO of GW, Brian Ansell, was looking to the bright future. He wanted Warhammer to have its own distinct copyrights, things recognizable as theirs and theirs alone (although it did not stop them from stealing from Moorcock and Starship Troopers wholesale). The most important innovation of this time was making Orcs green-skinned with red eyes and tusks, which spread into almost every other Orc in fiction since.

>But Ansell wanted something truly belonging only to Warhammer. While Tony Ackland and later John Blanche with Adrian Smith largely created the distinctive "Warhammer" visual feel, Ackland's Daemonettes were still a concept taken from Moorcock and Blanche's Sisters Of Battle were in the same vein as GW's Judge Dredd models. Adrian's Warriors Of Chaos also were merely an extrapolation of the Deathdealer from Conan The Barbarian.
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>>61363516
>So Ansell summoned two employees, Graeme Davis and Jes Goodwin and told them he wanted pictures, pictures of a unique concept (by using employees he unintentionally ensured GW would keep the rights to their creation, as many designers were hired part-time because it was cheaper and as a result kept the rights to everything they created; which is why everything Ackland designed exists only in old minis with the later ones changed enough to be their own). His specific words were in fact a race "to be as distinctive of Warhammer as the Broo are of Runequest". Sadly...Davis and Goodwin took him too literally, and completely ripped off Broo-again-with a bit of alteration (to their credit, more than Beastmen got) leaving GW with yet another ripoff. But Ansell loved it anyway, and Fimir were put into 3e.

>Fimir are the combination of Broo with Formorians, monstrous but not FORTHEEVULZ, Feyfolk from Celtic myth.
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>>61363535
>Sadly, Fimir did not catch on with the public. Thanks to a horrible fuckup between concept and sculpt produced by Nick Bibby the Fimir wound up extremely large, Ogre-sized. This made them fairly expensive to buy a chunk of metal of. Their in-game stats reflected their intended only slightly larger than human (so Orc) size while their point cost was made higher to reflect large model size. Also, Fimir reproduction was parasitic, with Male fimir having to breed with human females to reproduce, unintentionally insinuating that the Fimir were explicit rapists, though the writers of the fluff did acknowledge that this wasn't their intent, it was merely an error if omission, with their actual intent being to have the Fimir be like fairies who spirit away women and impregnate them in a magical way. Of course, the lore was read fir whst was there, which seemed to be explicit rape.

>So as a result Fimir were expensive to buy and were absolutely horrible foe their stats. Most players weren't interested in them unless solely for the fluff as a result, and instead of fixing what was wrong by giving them the appropriate stats Fimir were dropped in 4e along with the idea of them being GW's mascot. They only made it into one other work, the first Warhammer Quest as a monster.
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>>61363441
>No game company would risk putting that crap in especially during the DnD scare.

Lol. Except they did. That's what we are talking about you Critical Role bandwagoneer. D&D implied half-orcs were the result of rape.

>Actually, goings from the ads and the people that actually populate the FLGS, warhams players tend to be very young.

That doesn't change the fact that when the Fimir background was written the game was aimed at older teens and university students.

>No generalising needed. Tyranny and violence can be seen in cartoons.

Yeah so you obviously don't have a clue about Warhammer. In Saturday morning cartoon's those things are portrayed as BAD. In Warhammer they are necessary and GOOD.

Show me a kids cartoon where the protagonists are exposing and having burned alive religious heretics.
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>>61363566
>In Warhammer they are necessary and GOOD.

This is technically true, but you need to provide the context.

Warhammer was written largely with satire in mind. Like Judge Dredd, which was mocking the increasingly conservative politics of 1980's England by presenting a world that's so insanely shit that a comical degree of authoritarianism is literally the only logical way for anything resembling a society could exist. Dredd is not nice, his villains are not nice, the two would be pretty much on the same side were it not for the fact that his way at least allows small pockets of sanity to exist in the city.

Warhammer was like that as well. It justified the Spanish Inquisition of the setting by portraying the cultists as actually completely insane and physically corrupting guys trying to destroy the world, but without trying to glamorize the Inquisitors. Both sides are horribly ugly and bad, our "protagonists" are just the ones not trying to destroy the world.

One of the reasons 40k became such a dumpster fire is because the GW writers lost track of the satire, and started playing shit way too fucking serious and allowed the setting to go up its own ass by moving jokes from the main plot into the margins. Age Of Sigmar has been doing the opposite, sterilizing the setting and going for "cool" edginess rather than grim comedy to the degree its starting to resemble 1990's superhero comics with the extremes of Spawn and mullet Superman running around.
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>>61363764

Yeah that's absolutely true. I was just trying to make a point that comparing the Thundercats running from genocide to the justified religious authoritarianism of Warhammer is just laughable.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem with the "good guys" being an ultra-fascist tyranny but has a problem with some "bad guys" being rapists has something really wrong with them.
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>>61362327
If you've ever seen someone joke about getting a chick drunk so it was easier to score without anyone raising an eyebrow, then you know what you've said probably isn't true.
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Weird ones.
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>>61363866
Yeah.
Too bad we're getting another generation of kids growing up gluing together Space Marines and their fingers thanks to this crap, meaning another generation of Warhammerers who don't get the satire and just want to play Nazi in a socially acceptable way, or start bitching that there's no positive rolemodels on their blog news whatevers.
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>>61363936
At this point it's almost like the setting glorifies it? Maybe you could argue in a way that is mean to show the tragedy of things and not to exemplify, but it loves the grimdark, dubious mix of cruelty and heroism in the face of utter annihilation, the rage against fathers and the mistakes of sons, all with a quiet reminder that it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's turning the satire into something serious, and the serious into its own tragic, nihilist pageant. But they can't treat the entire setting like that, or always have the best writing that really explores it - and even when I admit I enjoy it, I have to roll my eyes at the story obviously drawing a parallel between Kreigers and Necrons.

Part of what attracted me to Warhammer Fantasy when I finally came around to it were those bits of comedy still clinging to the margins. The utter poverty of Bretonnian peasants, a giant thinking he's an Orc god, window taxes (I didn't know those were a real thing) and the riots thereof, mutants clever enough to just know that Gotrek is acting all peaceful to lure them to their deaths instead of just being fodder.
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>>61358149
How would you run that on the tabletop? VC army with skaven allies?
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>>61364468
>At this point it's almost like the setting glorifies it?

It absolutely does. Especially in 40K. I can't stand Gaunt's Ghosts because they play it grimderp serious. The Ciaphas Cain stories are the last remnant of the satirical origins of 40K.

But there is a reason the best selling 40K fiction is about ultra-zealous superhumans.
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>>61363566
Nobody is justifying anything, you pillock. Just saying that these themes existed in Kids cartoons while rape doesn't.
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>>61364601
It doesn't. The Imperium populace are portrayed as miserable and downtrodden to the extreme. The Imperium is shown to be a decayed and dying empire largely to its own self inflict suffering.

Also you gotta source that warhams was intended to be satire. I don't think any interview or developer commentary ever said it was. I think you are just inferring it is baselessly.
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>>61364615
>Nobody is justifying anything, you pillock.

I never said anything about justifying you muppet.

>Just saying that these themes existed in Kids cartoons while rape doesn't.

Except they don't to the degree those other themes are taken in Warhammer. And attempted rape absolutely was in Saturday morning cartoons.
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>>61364648
>Also you gotta source that warhams was intended to be satire.

No I don't.

>I don't think any interview or developer commentary ever said it was.

Then you've never read one by the guys who designed the setting.

>I think you are just inferring it is baselessly.

I think you've never read or played the game and just come here to try and force your fucked up views on the community.
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Daily reminder that Gashnag IS Nagash, probe me wrong if you can
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>>61364698

Gashnag has two g's. Nagash has one.
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>>61364715
FUCK!!
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>>61364601
Granted, it all depends on how you read it. Even Cain can be taken very seriously, with only an acknowledgement that it's humorous. In its own way it even tones down the most over-the-top elements of 40k. You could take all the writing about everyone working until they die on horrible factory as a more tongue-in-cheek thing - Fifteen Hours takes itself rather seriously, but who couldn't see a tired worker mistyping a phrase leading to huge consequences as a commentary?

The problem is less with the writers than with the fans, I guess I'm saying. The writing may be far more serious now, but it's shifted with what the fans wanted. It's not as if one day they decided to stop writing satire, it was a shift over time - we can see how in WFB the difference between 5th and 6th edition isn't as much humor as heroic or unheroic tone. Trying to gauge the mood? Trying to fit the expectations of a changing culture, or shift as their big sellers shifted? I don't know.
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>>61364715
Keep saying Gashnag fast.
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>>61355229
>>61357420
>>61350649
>>61350949
>>61355229

Any idea on when TEW-DC will come out? I"m about to kick off a WFRP campaign of 2e TEW but a rewrite would be super fucking cool. I might just throw a few grinder adventures just to delay for the release.
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>>61364735
>Granted, it all depends on how you read it. Even Cain can be taken very seriously

Yeah I wouldn't say the Cain stories themselves are overly "satirical". It is just that to the reader Cain is the only sane man in an insane world and the humour is that his self-described cowardice is actually reasonable behaviour.

>The problem is less with the writers than with the fans, I guess I'm saying.

I definitely agree there. People are buying grimderp stories of fascist space marines more then they buy the stories which keep the original tone of '80s British satire.
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Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>61359558
rollin
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>>61364661
>I never said anything about justifying you muppet.

Yes. You asked for any cartoon that makes that stuff seem good.

> And attempted rape absolutely was in Saturday morning cartoons.

Only the skunk and for slapstick purposes. Real rape as a part of serious narrative was never a thing.
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>>61364694
>No I don't.

Then you have no point and cause to say it is.

>Then you've never read one by the guys who designed the setting.

But you said that you don't have any. I have read many interviews and commentaries by the authors. Not a single one has them saying that warhams was intended to be a satire.

>I think you've never read or played the game and just come here to try and force your fucked up views on the community.

Ad hom and projection.
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>>61364807
>they buy the stories which keep the original tone of '80s British satire.

Quit it unless you have a source that says it was intended as satire.
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>>61364894
Vampires are immune to chaos corruption.
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>>61364953
More claims that you can't prove.
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>>61364894
Chainsaw swords, giant walking battle cathedrals, and giant green soccer hooligans are serious business, guys.

Serious.

Business.
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>>61364953
Yeah? And?
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>>61364985
You can have EXTREME settings without them being satire. Take for example, 40K in its current form.

So you just inferring things based on really nothing
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>>61364953
True, but a Necrach studying Nurglings to try and figure out how to imbue life from nothing is still a cool concept, even if he can't be corrupted.
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>>61365005
Serious.

Business.
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>>61364894
>Then you have no point and cause to say it is.

Yeah I do, because I've seen them say it was satire many times. I don't have to source it because I don't give a fuck about lazy fucks like you. I'm not going to source the fact Warhammer is a war game either.
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>>61365013
Vampire Skaven are a cooler concept. Though I wish there was any lore about chaos vamps. Shame there isn't. Any writefags in the house?
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>>61364880
t. professional goal post mover.
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>>61365024

Not an argument. You lose.

>>61365029
>Yeah I do, because I've seen them say it was satire many times.

I have read every Rick Priestly interview that ever was and from many others. Yet I didn't find any.

So you are lying and the fact that you can't name a single one of those "many" proves it.
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>>61365083
>I have read every Rick Priestly interview that ever was and from many others. Yet I didn't find any.

Stop lying slav.
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>>61365083
Business.

Serious.

>I have read every Rick Priestly interview that ever was and from many others. Yet I didn't find an

Proove it.

>>61365042
Can vampires infect other species? I always thought it was a human-only issue?
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>>61365107
I ain't lying. I read his interviews. I read his AMA and screenied the interesting parts.

Yet nothing.
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>>61365120

Vampires are immune to Chaos.
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>>61365111
Not an argument.

>Proove it.

Nah. You can't prove a negative. The guy who makes the claim should prove it. I mean you can't point at a single thing so you just think that warhams is a satire but it doesn't mean it actually is.

You failed.
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>>61365111
>Can vampires infect other species? I always thought it was a human-only issue
In older stuff there were non-human vamps, but new stuff mentions they don't like the taste of non-human species. Not sure if NDM covers it, though.
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>>61365134

That's not even me you retarded slav.
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>>61365134
You made a claim. Prove it.

>>61365136
There was the dwarf vampire in an old novel.
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>>61365132
And you have been thoroughly beaten by me. This reads as an admission of it.

Going by Rick Priestly interviews it seems he wanted the setting to be a serious one from the start since he is annoyed that the Space Marines are being shown as heroic.
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>>61365151
>You made a claim. Prove it.

What claim?

>>61365146
Stop lying, anon
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>>61365153
>And you have been thoroughly beaten by me

No I haven't. Because I'm just posting shit I know triggers you.
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>>61365165
>what claim?
That you've read every single Priestly interview ever. This post >>61365083

That was me that asked, not >>61365146

>>61365151
1ed WFRP also supported the any-race vamp idea.
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>>61365153
>Going by Rick Priestly interviews it seems he wanted the setting to be a serious one from the start since he is annoyed that the Space Marines are being shown as heroic.

Seems like you are a retard that is just inferring things from one reddit (lol) AMA and not the numerous times the designers admitted to being inspired by Judge Dredd.
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>>61364807
I wouldn't argue it's been a bad thing for both settings as a whole. But is it something that could have been kept? The culture that wanted 80s British satire wouldn't be around forever. If this culture wants over the top yet gritty adventures, GW could have given it to them another way, but that's what they wanted. I'd like to hope the pendulum is finally tipping back towards idealism instead of moral greyness, but I can't control that.
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>>61365181
I like you, but Autismo shuts p when you ignore him.

>>61365132
Their immune to Chaos in the same way they don't have a soul. Stuff like warpstone still affects them, but it just makes them more of what they really are. No lore of a vampire worshipping chaos, though. Closest we get is Drachenfels.
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>>61365181
Because you are beaten and have nothing else to do but act like a child.

>>61365190
Why should I? It has nothing to do with the line of argument we are having. It seems you are admitting defeat by trying to derail this debate due to your failure at pointing at a SINGLE source that supports you.
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>>61365194
A lot of serious things were inspired by other things. What you are saying is irrelevant.

I can't find any source from the tons of author commentary which say they wanted to make a satire.
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>>61365212
>Because you are beaten and have nothing else to do but act like a child.

I've never done anything to you but troll and you bite the bait Every. Single. Time.
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>>61365223
It's not my problem that you can't read.
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Some questions about 4e:
1) Isn't Advantage system sort of Death Spiral? Seems like it takes couple lucky rolls at the beggining of the encounter, and you become God of War.
2) Rapiers look like weapons of victory. Is it murky wording, or your opponent really halves his attemps to deffend AND attack against Fast weapons?
3) No rules about Outnumbering yet? There is a mention of it in Combat master talent.
4) Can Dodge be used to oppose attacks? Looks like it is implied, but not stated.
5) Hack weapon quality. Why would you ever use that? Same question about feint talent.
6) Some talents, like Riposte, Robust, Strike Mighty Blow seem too OP if taken more then once. Am i wrong?
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>>61365199
>But is it something that could have been kept?
The world's changed since the 1980s, and so have the people in it. What good is a joke when people stop finding it funny?
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>>61365212
>Why should I? It has nothing to do with the line of argument we are having. It seems you are admitting defeat by trying to derail this debate due to your failure at pointing at a SINGLE source that supports you.

Because you wre making a claim and I would like you to prove it.

>>61365210
>Undying
>Needs parts from living creatures to prolong life
>Had chaos altars in his home

Yeah, probably the closest we will ever get. Did they ever explain what made him the Warhammer Vandal Savage?
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>>61365231
No, it's your problem that you can't copypasta anything that can support your position.

>>61365224
I will gladly give you (You)s as long as you give me (You)s in return. Lets feed each other (You)s
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>>61365244
>Because you wre making a claim and I would like you to prove it.

But that's just a deflection from the fact you failed to provide anything. Which proves that pretty much lost the debate and that warhams isn't a satire.
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>>61365232
>Isn't Advantage system sort of Death Spiral? Seems like it takes couple lucky rolls at the beggining of the encounter, and you become God of War.

I raised this concern when it was first spoiled. I'm hoping they take feedback and tone it down for the final release.
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>>61365239
What was the name of the first example Inquisitor? Obi Sherlock Morlau Kenobi?
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>>61365256
No it's your problem because you live in ignorance unless someone is willing to spoon feed your retarded slav brain.
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>>61365265
You are not fooling anyone. You have nothing so you are throwing a funny tantrum now.
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>>61365256
I'm not in your argument, I was just here reading and I would like you to prove your claim.

>>61365261
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau
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>>61365284
Don't lie, anon. Your deflection is obvious and it comes AFTER I asked for any of the "many" sources.
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>>61365284
>Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau
Serious.

Business.
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>>61365293
>Serious setting can't have Easter eggs and jokes
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>>61365291
Don't care about your other arguments. I would like you to prove your claim.
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>>61365279
No wonder you don't know it is satire. You don't even know what the word tantrum means.
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>>61365302
No, you would like to deflect and troll. Which means I have won and once again I say warhams isn't a satire.
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>>61365306
But you are throwing a tantrum though. Getting frustrated and calling names because someone doesn't agree with you.
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>>61365314
>warhams

Lol.
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>>61365301
Do you understand the definition of satire? Just like you can have a serious setting with jokes, so too can you have a serious setting with satire. But can you tards take it to a 40k general?

>>61365244
I think the only thing we can assume is that Chaos wasn't involved.
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>>61365322
>Do you understand the definition of satire? Just like you can have a serious setting with jokes, so too can you have a serious setting with satire. But can you tards take it to a 40k general?

I would like a source that has the authors saying they intended warhams to be satire. Is it too hard to ask? I was told there are many but no one is giving me. I just need you to point or hint at any interview and I will find it n a second. DO ET.
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>>61365320
No I'm calling you names because you are a retarded slav. It isn't worth my time to actually take you seriously.
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>>61364468
>Mutants clever enough to just know that Gotrek is acting all peaceful to lure them to their deaths instead of just being fodder
I remenber that part in Trollslayer, going from "Well, this is the end" to "Full blown Monty Python sketch" was hilarious, especially with the mutants just telling Felix "We arent dumb you know, yoi are setting a trap for us" and him (and the reader) being confused as hell
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>>61365339
No, you are just throwing a tantrum and you are taking me quite serious right now but since you can't do anything but babyrage you are reduced to this pathetic state
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>>61365341
Early G&F was the best. Nathan Long wasn't too bad.

>>61365333
If you'd like a read/debate on satire and 40k, I recommend you go here:
www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/5infrs/on_the_satire_of_40k/
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I got a new reddit account. Hopefully, Rick or any of the old guard do an AMA soon. I will ask him or them if warhams was a satire job. This needed to be asked a long time ago. The "Le satire" trolls are obnoxious
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Could you at least post some art while you argue? 17 images and 193 posts, Sigmar preserve us.
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>>61365314
I'd like some proof too, actually. Do you have them all saved on your hardrive?
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>>61365353
>U MAD!!!1111

Say's the mad autist who bites the bait every time.
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>>61365370
I don't care what anons on reddit think. They are almost as dumb as the anons here. Almost.
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>>61365381
But I am not mad. I am enjoying myself.

>>61365379
Nope, just scattered around the archive and google.
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>>61365393
Don't lie slav
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>>61365385
So you should fit right in, go correct them.

>>61365341
Beast in Velvet had some great Dirty Harry parodies.
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>>61365393
>Nope, just scattered around the archive and google

So no proof? Do you have anything on Chaos being able to corrupt Vampires?
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>>61365406
But I am not lying.

>>61365408
Fuck no. Reddit sucks.
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>>61365370
>reddit
Please go back.
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>>61365416
Proof for what?
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>>61365420
Yeah you are lying. We know you are a redditor.
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>>61365420
>But I am not lying.
Can you prove that claim?
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>>61365433
Don't care what you think really about reddit though.
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>>61365437
But the state of the mind is subjective. It cannot be proven objectively.
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>>61365433
He admitted it here: >>61365375 it's not in question.

>>61365322
>I think the only thing we can assume is that Chaos wasn't involved
True, Drach started Drach-ing before thd Space Frogs came and fucked everything up. Back when all the different races were little more than savage tribes.
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>>61365446
>thinks lies are subjective
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>>61365448
Which would mean there wouldn't be any magic, right? So Drachs ability is purely biological? Just a...random mutation?
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>>61365210
>Their immune to Chaos in the same way they don't have a soul.

Actually, someone posted a bit of lore that says they do in fact have a soul. It's just isolated from the Realm of Chaos. Souls can be corrupted.

This proves that you intetionally misread the lore because on top of that text the RPG book says they HAVE SPIRITS.

>No lore of a vampire worshipping chaos

But Blood Knights were corrupted by Khorne.
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>>61365458
They are if the subject they are about aren't a binary.
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>>61365472
>Actually, someone posted a bit of lore that says they do in fact have a soul. It's just isolated from the Realm of Chaos. Souls can be corrupted.
>This proves that you intetionally misread the lore because on top of that text the RPG book says they HAVE SPIRITS.
It proves you have an issue with reading comprehension.

Anon said Vamps are immune to chaos the same way they don't have a soul. As in - they do, and are, but because of their vampiric nature it isn't shown to work the same way it would with a vanilla mortal.

>ET Lore

I think he was referring to older lore, but fair enough.

You are a poor person to have a discussion with, you seem insistent to make everything about people attacking or personally vindicating you. I'm gonna just ignore you now.
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>>61365482
Truth can be subjective, lying is always objective - because you can only do it knowingly. Otherwise you're either misleading or misinformed. Lying requires a choice. Objective.
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>>61365498
>Anon said Vamps are immune to chaos the same way they don't have a soul.

That's written in a strange way but that's still bullshit. It's not resistant in the same way as nulls. It's just that Chaos has a hard time getting inside of them.

And you guys deserve to be attacked though.
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>>61365517
Nah, lying is subjective because anyone can perceive a person is lying when he just speaking normally. Your perception of me being a liar about a subjective manner is subjective so it can't be proved
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>>61365517
Ah, fair point, well made.

>>61365498
Not Aspergo, but is there ever any indication pre-ET that the undead can be corrupted? Tomb Kings or VC? I know Chaos Champions can be ressed, but can an Undead Champion TURN to Chaos?
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>>61365547
>fair point

Yeah, Aspergo confuses the perception of lying with the reality of lying.

>can Undead Champion TURN to Chaos?

I don't think so. It's never hinted or indicated. In a weird way, undead are sort of like demons - magical constructs. Corrupting undead makes as much sense as ressurecting demons.
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>>61365547
Krell retained the corruption of Khorne and his gifts. That's why Nagash was destroyed, Krell persisted. He used his rage and anger to sustain his undead existence while looking for sources for Shyish and dark magic.

And by the way, Krell was shown to be waaaaay more powerful than Sigmar. It was a whole raid party against Krell including Sigmar. Dwarf warriors, barbarian warriors, and a Norsii wizard. Even in his weakened state Krell was more than their match.
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>>61365571
>Yeah, Aspergo confuses the perception of lying with the reality of lying
To be fair though, perception of reality like that can be difficult for people on the spectrum.

>I don't think so. It's never hinted or indicated. In a weird way, undead are sort of like demons - magical constructs. Corrupting undead makes as much sense as ressurecting demons.
I see what you mean, but it doesn't really apply to Vampires or sentient undead the same way.
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>>61365571
>Yeah, Aspergo confuses the perception of lying with the reality of lying.

See >>61365534

Misjudging people. You disgust me.

>It's never hinted or indicated.

But Nurgle zombies though.
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>All this drama going on in the thread instead of talking about Fimir.

Can't we just stat them for the new edition or tell stories about how we used them in past rpg campaigns? In my current warhammer fantasy campaign, I like to blend the older lore and newer lore together along with my own musings on how their (barely explained) society would work.

Some Fimir clans still cling to the "old ways" of abducting women and fading into the mists, but most don't anymore. Especially when a few hundred plucky humans with some wizards (that dispel your magic mists) might follow you home. It was far easier just convincing women from poor Norscan villages and the like to have children for them in exchange for money, learning magic for those that had the ability, or even learning trade skills. That and also some of the women who seek out the Fimir are just closet scalies who just want to date a big chad Fimir warrior.

Any women that willingly live with the Fimir are pampered and catered to. The Fimir Society is a Matriarchy after all, and all Fimir from the lowest Shearl to the most proud Fimm noble show their women great fear and respect. Especially since Fimir Women eventually grow twice the size of the largest males, are far more intelligent, have formidable magic, and have their most devastating feature of all; weapons-grade guilt-trips and nagging.
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>>61365466
Maybe? To be fair, pre-space frogs Old World had some weiiiiird shit. Remember that Insect thing from G&F?
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>>61365603
>To be fair though, perception of reality like that can be difficult for people on the spectrum.

But anon you ignored my reply that shows that I was talking about the perception and not the act itself. Which shows that you are afraid of me since you went with the autism narrative instead of replying back.
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>>61365622
I wouldn't take anying from Drachenfels as canon since the Warhammer community site says it was at the time when the setting of Warhammer was being formed. It's like talking about "Inquisition Wars" as if it's relevant to the lore.
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>>61365571
>never hinted or indicated.
I was going to mention Nurgle Zombies, but that's a case of Nurgle spawning them via disease/magic, not a case of actually corrupting pre-existing undead. Scratch that.

What about the Ghosts in G&F beinf tormented by Warpstone?
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>>61365633
That era is better then the modern one IMO.
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>>61365656
All undeath is the work of Chaos since it requires dark magic to work. I man Kemmler necromantic power was restored by the Chaos Gods.

The Elixir that created the vampires was whispered to the queen by daemons.
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>>61365633
True, but Drach is still relevant - gets referenced in ET and TWW. So, whilst not ideal, Drachenfels and Castle Drachenfels at least give us something to work from.

Aren't Dragon Ogres also contemporaries to Drachs timeline?

>>61365656
Ooh! The ancsstor ghosts that are being torn at by the forces of chaos! They don't get corrupted, but they do get devoured.

Doomstones might have chaos corruptrd ghosts. Or the ghosts of chaos corrupted dwarfs. Can't recall which.
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>>61365682
>Drachenfels and Castle Drachenfels at least give us something to work from.

Nothing you should take as concentrate.

>Aren't Dragon Ogres also contemporaries to Drachs timeline?

They predate the Old Ones.
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>>61365690
concrete*
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>>61365613
hot
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>>61365682
Drach gets mentioned in TWW? Where?
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>>61365682
>Aren't Dragon Ogres also contemporaries to
Yeah, in that they're both pre-Space Frog. Thinking Drach might have had a littld D.Ogre in him? Makes as much sense as anything else, I suppose.

>Drachenfels
My opinion is - it still gets reprinted and they haven't editted it like they have done to other stuff.
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Were do you guys look for Warhammer art? I tried to hunt down Warhammer online concept art, but it seems to be all over the place.
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>>61365682
>Doomstones
Still count as canon in my groups games.
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>>61365716

Perhaps. Maybe you're on to something...

>When you realize it's the human men, not the women, that need to watch out for possible death by snu-snu.
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>>61365239
Who was it that said Orcs were a satire in British Soccer Hooligans?

>>61364953
Isn't that why Nagash was such a thorn in the side of Chaos? Because a dead world can't be corrupted?
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>>61365721
>My opinion is - it still gets reprinted and they haven't editted it like they have done to other stuff.

A lot of old novels are being reprinted. Drachenfels was brought back by request from the fans. It's not a commentary on the canon.
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>>61365738
Wherever I can find it, which sometimes means print-screening the pics straight out of the books. Artstation is good for getting stuff for total warhammer, that's where all the concept artists and 3D sculptors advertise themselves.
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>>61365817
>Isn't that why Nagash was such a thorn in the side of Chaos?

Name a single time that the Chaos Gods ever paid attention to Nagash. They don't give a single fuck about Nagash. He is a joke to them!
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>>61365738
The wikis are a good start, not only the english wikis. There is also some stuff on artstation.
>warhammer online concept art
I was lucky, some time ago someone dropped the entire concept art in a mega-link. Sorry, don't have the link anymore.
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>>61365817
>Isn't that why Nagash was such a thorn in the side of Chaos? Because a dead world can't be corrupted

Yeah, basically.

>>61365721

>My opinion is - it still gets reprinted and they haven't editted it like they have done to other stuff

Yeah, but you should still take it with a grain of salt. But there's like 5 different canonicities anyway (#bloodbowl1truecanon)
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>>61365873
>yeah basically
Wait, if Chaos can corrupt the undead why can't they corrupt Settra?

>(#bloodbowl1truecanon)

There's like SoC, AoR, 8th Ed, ET, WFRP and of course Bloodbowl (the one true canon). Not sure if there is more.
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>>61365873
The One True Canon is the Shadow of the Horned Rat timeline.
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>>61365892
GRUDGEBRINGER CAVALRY MINIATURES FUCKING WHEN
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>>61365892
brb reinstalling
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>>61365888
>Wait, if Chaos can corrupt the undead why can't they corrupt Settra?
Because Settra does not serve, dipshit.

'Corruption', as in 'pledging oneself to the dark gods', can only really be done properly when consented to, that's why the Chaos Gods favour the WoC and disdain the beastmen. The beastmen are born corrupted, they don't have a choice in the matter, whereas the WoC do, and that's what lets them become more powerful via the blessings of their gods.

They couldn't properly corrupt Settra, as in, turn him to their side, because even when they were offering him literally everything he could have wanted he refused.

Cause it doesn't matter if it's the other kings of Nehekhara who came after him, or Nagash, the greatest mortal sorcerer there's ever been, or even all four of the dark gods of chaos. Settra does not serve, he rules.
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>>61365888
>There's like SoC, AoR, 8th Ed, ET, WFRP and of course Bloodbowl (the one true canon). Not sure if there is more.

Nope, not according to GW.

>if Chaos can corrupt the undead why can't they corrupt Settra?

Settra knelt before Archaon and swore his fealty.
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>>61365888
>Wait, if Chaos can corrupt the undead why can't they corrupt Settra
Chaos can't corrupt the Undead.

>>61365765
>Doomstones
Fucking deep cut.
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>>61365937
>Because Settra does not serve, dipshit.

Wrong. He served Archaon. Briefly but served nonetheless.
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>>61350481
What exactly is Drachenfels? He's some sort of caveman that can absorb people's life?
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>>61365957
>Chaos can't corrupt the Undead.

Yes, it did.

Blood Knights were corrupted by Khorne.

Isabella was brainwashed by Nurgle and then had her body possessed by a daemon.
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>>61365957
Did you ever play through Dying of the Light?
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>>61365959
Basically. That's about all we know.
>>61365957
>Chaos can't corrupt the Undead.
Not in the established lote, no.
>>61365972
>Did you ever play through Dying of the Light?
Does an Egg shit in the woods?
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>>61365959
>What exactly is Drachenfels?

Constant.
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>>61364517
Skaven grey seer as a counts-as necharch with an army of lods of eundead.
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>>61365995
>Not in the established lote, no.

Nothing more established than GW's lore which says they can. Mannfred was driven to serve its will by its whispers.
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>>61365995
>Does an Egg shit in the woods?
>bah dum tish
I see what you did there. But the answer to that is no. Just don't go into the carriage.

>>61365907
I'd prefer minis of those Skaven killing free militia.
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>>61365844
Could you just reupload the files?
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>>61366005
That's what I'd do. Throw in some Skaven allies for flavour.

>>61365995
>Not in the established lote
Nothing from SoC or prior, anyhoo. Which is all that counts here.
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>>61365111
>>61365136
In modern lore, the official answer is "we don't know." Even in Cuck Times, the one elf vampire was called a mistake and retconned. NDM indicates that if nonhuman vampires exist, they're so rare as to never have been seen. It's likely the elixir only works on the human soul and would need to be modified to work on other races.

>>61365151
In a Genevieve (ie: Oldhammer) novel, which had vampirism work differently than modern lore.
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>>61366038
>Nothing from SoC or prior, anyhoo. Which is all that counts here.

But nothing that says it can't happen.
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>>61366045
>In modern lore, the official answer is "we don't know." Even in Cuck Times, the one elf vampire was called a mistake and retconned. NDM indicates that if nonhuman vampires exist, they're so rare as to never have been seen. It's likely the elixir only works on the human soul and would need to be modified to work on other races.

Josh Reynolds got lazy and didn't read the previous novel or End Times book so he made a mistake in the book. It wasn't rectonned it wasn't part of the canon in the first place.

And vampire non-humans exist. Didn't Konrad turn a halfling into one?
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>>61366049
Nothing that says it can either. Unlike dwarf wizards.
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>>61366073
But it says they are resistant not immune. So it's possible.
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>>61366073
Don't dwarf wizards turn to stone over time?

>>61366045
>vampirism work differently
How so?
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>>61366082
Where does it say it's possible?
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>>61366096
The fact that they are said to be resistant to Chaos.
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>>61366081

I like it. The rust looks really good.
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>>61366085
>Don't dwarf wizards turn to stone over time?
Yep. Which is why sensible dwarfs use runic magic.

Dwarfs are super autistic when it comes to their runes. Hunting down non-dwarf rune users and all.
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>>61366073
Which is a shame, vampire agents of Chaos would make a great story. I think there is one in the Blood Bowl novels. Black Orc chaos vampire?
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>>61366132
There is no shame. Vampires are never said to be above falling to Chaos. They are resistant but not immune.
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>>61366132
I wonder if it might work out a bit like the Beastmen, they can *serve* Chaos, but as they're unable to pledge their soul to the Gods (Beastmen because their soul belonged to the gods from birth, Vampires because it's bound to their body and literally can't be given to them), they're unable to really receive any of their "blessings".
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>>61366132
Isn't that the one who gets the shrunken head treatment?

He gets possessed by a demon, yeah? Or am I thinking of the minotaur?

Outside of ET shit, that is the only reference to Chaos Vampires.

>>61366081
Beautiful, brother. Love the colour scheme.
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>>61366116
Aren't human runes where you get the Greater Rune of Death from?
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>>61366172
Bullshit. Harkon was empowered by Khorne when he kicked Franz's ass.

Vampires are natural magic sponges especially Dark magic. They should be able to be blessed.

Vampires
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>>61366198
I'd have to drag out my copy of Realms of Sorcery, but I believe so. IIRC it takes like God level power to make it though.

>>61366172
Similar to Drachenfels, in that regard.
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>>61366063
Nope.
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>>61366200
Are you resorting to End Times lore in a WFB thread? Is the AoS general full?
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>>61365786
Nah, not that part.
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>>61366211
>Similar to Drachenfels, in that regard.

Bullshit. Drachenfels is just a exceptionally powerful soul. He wasn't a real undead. It wasn't Shyish that gave him power.
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>>61366096
Or anyone else who migh have it for that matter, or the link. Might try to hunt link down later if nobody has it.
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>>61366085
For starters, no bloodlines. Vampirism is a progressive condition where you gain more powers with age, but gain the traditional vampire weaknesses, too. A strigoi back then was just a term for an old as vampire. They were feared but not universally despised, and had a trendy tavern in Altdorf. Even the Cult of Morr's stance back then was that they weren't their business, save one radical whose new ideas form the basis of a story.

Later mentions of Gene would reconcile her weirdness by calling her a Lahmian PR stunt.
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>>61366239
>>61366035
>>61365844
Meant for this, sorry
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>>61366172
NDM implies but does not outright state that vampires have a dark magic facsimile of a soul in place of their destroyed original.
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>>61366232
Does anyone know what Drachenfel was? He was made of dead tissue stolen from corpses. Frankensteinian, in that regard.
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>>61365244
>. Did they ever explain what made him the Warhammer Vandal Savage?

Pure fucking will. Even Drachenfels himself wasn't clear how he made the leap from cro-magnon to body-hopper, but it involved godlike willpower.
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>>61366291
Is that stated or just the most likely reason?

>>61366273
Which can't be wrested by daemon nor god.

>>61366259
Vampires in current GW don't get stronger with age?
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>>61365593
And yet by modern times Kell loses fights to Gotten alone repeatedly and is forced to basically wait until poison makes him weak enough for his inferior skills to handle. Sad!
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>>61365838
Slaanesh gets triggered by Nagash's plan to make a boring world of undead in Age of Sigmar.
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>>61365613
I like to blend their origins a bit. I hold that the ancient fimir were one of the original races of the world, along with dragons, dragon ogres, and the troglodytes the Old Ones used to create the manlike and human races.

They were more or less a bronze age civ when the Old Ones arrived, vaguely knowledgeable and carefully avoidant of the chaos gods, worshiping unlined daemons. The didn't like the Old Ones st all, but got fucking curbstomped by them and their creations, falling back to isolated, marginal habitats. They sold their collective souls to Chaos for power right before the gates collapsed, and played a role in the war that followed. When Chaos lost, the gods chimped out and cursed them to be barren, unless they mated with the 'inferior' races they had hated so much for 'stealing' the world from them.

Fimir do not, mostly, worship Chaos - even though their souls are doomed to them in the end. They still bitterly resent the other races. Some fimir worship Chaos in hopes of better treatment after death or a lifting of their curse
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>>61359895
4e gives the player the option of either a) ignoring the attack that would have killed you i.e. fortuitous last second slip saves your life, or b) being knocked unconscious by the attack instead, potentially leading to new situations
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>>61366413
define "new situations"
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>>61366035
I'll start uploading.
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>>61366437

You get captured by a Fimir warband.
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>>61366588
but why would anyone want that instead of not getting hit?
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>>61366583
You can put it all into rar file or something.
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>>61366629
Because it's better to not be dead.
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>>61366382
It's worth noting that - unlike beastmen - very few fimir enjoy their 'relationship' with the women of other races. It's essentially an act of bestiality to them. At the same time, only nobles and mighty warriors are accorded the option at all, meaning it's not a privilege to be rejected. Consequently, many fimir males resort to drugs to force themselves to perforn. Not to say there aren't some down for it, though these are seen as degenerates and, if possible, paired with voluntary tributes.

Not a few fimir communities have perished purely from an unwillingness to breed, or out of a nihilistic resignation that more life is pointless if it's all doomed to Chaos. Fimir can live a very long time, and some of these communities are slow in dying. It's usually the meargh that is last to go, leading to numerous legends of 'bog witches' that are probably these (troll hags are much more likely to eat visitors).
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>>61366629
To get dicked.
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>>61359898
>>61360237
There's a gm section on 'psychology' which is a rules-less version of insanity, and there's room for those on the sheet I'm using. Corruption points are a thing much like in dark heresy, but I think they're supposed to be a secret stat.
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>>61366654
https://mega.nz/#!WPo0HIjS!S2-YSCcbshK7Dfdvs3tf2CQXMdT3WT6DxBhE7HG0eXg
Have fun with it.
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>>61366750
Thanks anon.
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>>61366700
Fimir treat their human captives surprisingly well. Of course, many laws govern how women must be treated, and breaking them will usually result in hideous punishments like blinding, tail cutting, or sacrifice. Male humans are usually only kept with a view towards sacrifice, but the irony of living with humans so long is that many fimir are actually somewhat sympathetic towards them (in the way a farmer may have a favorite cow or pig). Humans are often invited (or compelled) to participate in leisure and share their thoughts on things. Very, very rarely, a fimir might spare a favorite human from death, keeping them as a sort of pet. Typically their resources do not permit this kind of excess, and it angers the lower and priestly classes.

Fimir are not picky on who they sacrifice in their worship. Humans are most conmon, but elves, dwarfs, orcs, and even skaven will do equally well. The fimir especially enjoy torturing skaven captived, apparently due to a war with them that ruined one of their last great strongholds thousands of years ago.
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>>61366807
Good fapfic anon.
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>>61366185
>>61366114
thanks anons, the other 4 I'll try and make have different coloured cloths and shit as I can't stick to a theme. drives me insane.
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>>61350588
compared to 2nd edition: how much slower or crunchier is 4th ed.?

How many additional rules do you have to keep in mind during combat?
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>>61366807
Fimir are primarily herbivorous, consuming basically any part of a plant with ease, but insects and worms also make up a significant part of their diet. Fruit is a treat for the elite, and is used to make fermented beverages. Some consumption of meat occurs in ritualistic and symbolic contexts.

Fimir religion is transactional. Even before Chaos's betrayal they did not love the daemons they gave offerings to, only recognized the need to give before asking. The one exception is an enigmatic mother goddess; confusing stories paint her as a mortal human woman who achieved apotheosis after being murdered. It's likely the fimir have conflated some notable human sorceress with a much older goddess of their own kind
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>>61366229

Which potential part do you like? Just wondering.
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>>61367071
I'm guessing the part where viking girls get deep dicked by lizard monsters and love it.
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>>61365959
Cain/Vandal Savage
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>>61366312
Older ones can get more powerful, but want necessarily. They also lose weaknesses, they don't gain them.
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>>61365408
Time to check Beast in Velvet then
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>>61366331
That's because in AoS he had the power to actually do it because he is an actual god.

In WHFB, he was beneath the notice of the Chaos Gods.
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>>61366081
Lovely rust effect
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>>61365232
>>61365258

Advantage is not a death spiral. Any damage or failed roll will reset it to zero. If you see an enemy getting advantage stacking, back up and hit it with magic dart or a ranged attack. Literally back up a step and chuck a dagger at the orc to throw it off it's groove.

If an opponent as a fast weapon, you should dodge rather than parry if possible. There are a lot of poorly worded parts, but bringing it up now will have them fix it. They are taking errata suggestions which is pretty cool.
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>>61366382

Oh hey, my origin theory for Fimir is quite similar! Though in mine differs in that the Fimir forgot just how old their race is and only vaguely remember due to ancient carvings on their fortress walls (these carvings depict Fimir bullying the troglodytes pre-old ones arrival). The Fimir began "worshiping" chaos sometime before the polar gates collapse, but eventually fell out of favor and were cursed then with being barren to each other and could only ever reproduce with humans. Just a touch of irony from the chaos gods, so should the Fimir ever attempt to wipe out humanity, they would cease to exist as well.

Fimir now confuse their origin and simply think they always existed as they are. The Fimir believe that they came to be from the union of the swamp daemon "Fimul" and the human sorceress "Maris". These ancestor figures are now the main objects of their worship, along with other minor demons. Some Fimir clans even worship foreign gods like Morr. Besides honoring Fimul and Maris, all other worship is seen as transnational. Fimir hate chaos as they still remember their fall from favor somewhat, but were more concerned about a more recent betrayal by the dark gods. This was the incident when the Meargh known as "Hell Mother" attempted to rekindle ties to Tzeentch. Rallying a large percentage of the Fimir race, she took the fight to the Pre-empire human tribes of Sigmar's time. However, this was just a ploy to further cull the Fimir's numbers and Tzeentch deliberately lead them into the deathtrap that was the battle of Slagveldsrots. Since the Fimir's disastrous defeat there, they have sulked in their strongholds deep in the swamps, hoping for one day to reap revenge against the gods that scorned them. Still, a few Fimir now and then try to garner the attentions of the Gods one more time.
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>>61367071
Them breeding willing women.
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>>61367362

True, that is good.
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>>61367355
I do like the idea of then having lost most of their history.
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>>61367192
He had the power to do it in Warhammer Fantasy. The Skaven freeing Alcadizaar is the only reason he failed.
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>>61367314
>but bringing it up now will have them fix it
Bringing it up where?
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>>61367630
>>61354368
>>61354699
>>61354713

I went on yesterday and they were still taking feedback. They plan on releasing a revised pre-release pdf soon. This feels like a beta, but I guess that is better than the game releasing in this state.
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>>61364777
No idea, unfortunately.
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>>61366750
This is noice

ty m8




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