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Reposting from last thread that died. So I had an idea to run an edge of the empire campaign for some friends, but I've never run one before. I am pretty confident in the first session I have cooked up, but I just want some tips on how to get it rolling. My Idea is to have the party meet with a person who wants them to smuggle goods to an imperial occupied planet in order to help some rebel insurgents. However, the actual plan is that the supplies hide hidden thermal detonators, to be used in an extreme attack on a space port with the PC's being unknowing accomplices to it. I see it going three ways

>They find the bombs, chase down the other deliveries and save the day

>They don't, the bombs go off after they take off and are perused by some ties and have to escape

>They find the bomb, but still go through with it

So depending on what happens it sets the background of the campaign, righteous hero's, outlaws out to clear their name, or extremists who seek to undermine the empire.
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>>61359970
I'm just not sure how to include obligation, or how to really start it off, I know I want them to meet a droid that points them in the direction of the meeting, but I don't know If I want the party to already exist, or if I want them to get roped into this and work together to resolve the situation.
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>>61359784
Requesting plot hooks for a starfighter-focused AoR campaign set in and around the Tion Cluster.
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>>61360003
the pilots have to fly their starships against enemies
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>>61359784
I'm new here, so what's the best Star Wars system to use for roleplaying and which system is best to use for war simulations.
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>>61360423
>best to use for war simulations.
I'm inclined to say Saga because it's d20 based and still carries a lot of DnD's wargame lineage and is made to work on a grid. That being said, I'm not familiar with any of the system's mass combat rules so if you're looking to roll for big battles I'm not sure which is best.

>so what's the best Star Wars system to use for roleplaying
This is going to be a matter of personal taste, as if we're being pedantic you don't need any sort of system to roleplay. That said, Saga is pretty rules-dense and plays a bit more like an old fashioned ARPG/dungeon crawl type game. D6 is very rules-light and fluid. EotE/AoR/FaD (the FFG system) is a bit of a middleground but has mechanics specifically built to encourage and influence the narrative. Some people find that helpful, some people find it a hindrance or unnecessary.
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>>61360003
>a desperate band of rebs attack an imp air/starbase in order to steal fuel, snubfighters, and maybe a small ship
>imp patrols report sightings of an elite "ghost" squadron, with all who encounter them being destroyed. blackbox data on this mysterious enemy is either nonexistent, corrupted, or inconclusive, as the brass ain't saying shit
>two passing fleets spot each other at maximum range. the larger imp force could close to engage, but the rebs would likely gtfo before they got into firing range. the smaller reb force sees a golden opportunity to attack some fairly high-value targets, but the risk is high and the odds seem stacked against them. both fleets have more important business to attend to than to engage in what will likely be an unsuccessful battle, but the pilots are itching for a fight and if the plucky party sorties out, they're certain the other wings will be coming too
>inquisitor with a penchant for dogfights senses that a reb pilot is strong in the force, and moves to kill him. alternatively, force adept reb ace attracts an inquisitor's attention with his flying
>local air show pilots get attacked by imp/rebel pilots; this is just a diversion as the second squad bombs an enemy base
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>>61360423
>and which system is best to use for war simulations
Legitimately none of them
You would actually be far better off inventing SW vee stats for a /hwg/ and using that than any of the RPGs for that kind of stuff
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>>61360716
Is there there's no Star Wars system that plays similar to "Only War"?
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>>61360736
No such thing exists, no
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>>61360736
the existing rpgs are built on an assumption of a player group that will do a diverse array of tasks, even in a game with a heavy military bent. So no balls in all war all the time game
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>>61359784
>Star Wars general

out of curiosity, how much of "/swg/" is left, you guys think? I don't know if we make bingo anymore and I haven't seen Trioculus posted in a while

I'm starting to think that with the other 4chan Star Wars generals dissolving we've all sort of coalesced here. Maybe we're just forging a new identity. Not complaining about any of this, just an observation.
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>>61361142
I remember the terrible fanfiction reviews, and I miss them, if that helps you place me chronologically.
Everyone else who rememberes such things, respond to this post
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I've been here since Saga edition was new, and before we started doing generals
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>>61361142
Are you normally this whiny and autistic about titles?
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>>61361244
It's more of a meme now than me actually being upset

Although I'm not the only >Star Wars General poster
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>>61361283
It's a shit forced meme and you're shit for forcing it. It's not even a meme, it's you pretending you're not throwing an autistic fit.
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>>61361195
I remember a few; although I remember we got quality like Thorn Squadron
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>>61361304
The only person here I see throwing an autistic fit is you
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>>61361318
>N-no you!
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Call it an autistic meme if you want, the shitposters and guys who insist on talking about non /tg/ shit almost always seem to gravitate to "Star Wars General" over /swg/
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Did Johnson make it impossible for JJ to make another OT clone, both by throwing a monkey wrench into everything, but also copy pasting the throne room scene so JJ can't?
Will JJ be FORCED to actually put in some effort?
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>>61361195
I remember being in the proto-general threads and ranting about a shitty forum RP I ran on Gaia Online a long time ago, and the irritating participants I had to deal with.
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>>61360003
>the squadron receives word that a transport is moving a flight of old mothballed snubfighters to be recycled
>lightly armed carrier/transport escorted by a flight of Ties
>while the mothballs in question are older/bottom of the line fighters, they are in good repair and would be a welcome addition to the squadron
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>>61360003
It's Vendetta o'clock.

Somebody fucked with a tionnese squadron member or friend of the PCs' family and now it is time for some extreme revenge, maybe on an official mission, kill the bastard in his TIE, or else something quiet, unofficial, a sonovabitch left with his dick in his mouth in a ditch by pilots who understand the old ways on the ground
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>>61360003
The squadron has to investigate a trade corridor that's notorious for pirate attacks, but the pirates never seem to take anything...

it's an old dilapidated Separatist fleet/carrier/squadron that's become entirely droid-run and operating on their last orders, perhaps only attacking ships that still have old Republic transponder codes. The players have to solve the mystery of who the pirates are, where they're attacking from, and hopefully defeat them, maybe leading them to stumble upon an old CIS equipment stockpile
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>>61361195
Dark greetings. I miss the pain train, too.
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>>61360003
A squadron of Y-wings flying the Rebel flag have been mercilessly hounding civilian transports, but the player's cell has no idea who they are or how to contact them

it's actually an Imperial false flag operation flying old BTL-B's attempting to discredit the Rebellion, perhaps trying to pressure a local system into accepting a stronger Imperial presence
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You know, the original star wars was not the best written, or the best acted, but it was damn well designed. Sure, not every alien or vehicle was a stroke of genius or anything, but it had some of the most iconic designs science fiction. I go so far as to say the storm trooper armor is, if not the, then one of the most unique recognizable uniforms from any science fiction setting.
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>>61362394
There was a post I saw on Imgur that pointed out that Stormtroopers are one of the few designs from 70s/80s sci-fi that still holds up to a lot people, which I thought was an interesting point.
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I think if I lived near Tosche Station that Camie Marstrap wouldn't bully me
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>>61362624
I want her to lovingly paint me with her shit.
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>>61361142
>I haven't seen Trioculus in a while
well yeah. he's dead.
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I'm painting Shyla Varad and am almost ready to start on the base. I want it to be the surface of Mandalore, which is mostly desert, but are there any quirks that I could use? This being a hero unit, I don't want it to just be generic sand.
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>>61362785
She's written to be a major Death Watch fangirl, so there's another angle to consider. Gonna paint their emblem on her cape.
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>>61362785
Maybe some rocks or some remains from a dead enemy, like a damaged helmet.
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>>61362651
She's cute
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I have a severe love for OSR type games, and i have the main book for West End Games's version of the RPG.

what are your guys thoughts on the old D6 system?
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>>61359784
what if i buy nothing but dish guns, one covering each objective
and just suppress everyone off the objective?
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>>61362982
I have a hard copy of that book and pdf of all the splats.
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>>61362982
I love it, it's super-adaptable and you can bullshit stuff on the fly really easily and make it just work like you planned it all along.

The one downside is that Force progression is kind of fucked, starts weak and then gets ri-fucking-diculous.
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Coruscant is the coolest planet in Star Wars. That is all.
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>>61363370
Coruscant is an endless source of bodies to use for fighting a war why the hell were clones ever even considered an option when merely conscripting/recruiting .001% Courascants population could give you as many soldiers as you would ever need
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>>61363434
Have fun selling the population of the galactic capital on the necessity of a conscript army of themselves before the war starts.
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>>61363434
because that wouldn't serve palpatine's purposes
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>>61363434
>post enthusiasm
>get a shitpost in return
based
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>>61363370
true
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>>61359970
I think its a great idea for some game sessions with just the ideas you've got. As a starting idea, not so much and maybe something a little easier so the group can get together, have a few adventures to sort out their characters/get used to the system and see what they'd like to do.
Just that I found things tend to be more of a two-way street in star wars and players need to chip in as much as the game master does. In that way its sort of not like D&D and other games where you point the murderhobos at a dungeon and cut loose, plus with what you're asking it does take a bit of time for them to come to terms with how their character's personalities are as well. Which in turns dictates in-game decisions.

Just my 2c

>>61360003
Some young prick in an old shitbox Z-95 reckons he can do the Perlemian coreward run to Taanab in 10 parsecs from Lianna.
How good are ya?
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>>61363434

Conscript armies are notoriously shitty unless they're playing immediate defense of home territories or have been made to consume enough propaganda beforehand they're liable to just sign up themselves anyway. One of the big reasons the U.S. army moved away from conscripts after vietnam was the dozen or so civilian massacres by Johnny Midwest and company when they went over the edge and the multiple hundred cases of the same conscriptees murdering their superior officers via frag grenade when nobody was watching. Once you couple that with generalized looting, rape, manslaughter, and the kind of shit wired up 20somethings with guns who don't want to be there get up to and you REALLY don't want a conscript army unless you have to have an army by any means necessary.

Can you imagine the absolute clusterfuck it would have been if you had Mace Windu trying to lead ten thousand 18 year olds with like a month or two in basic training into battle someplace like Ryloth full of alien women? Instead of just that one guy going native and bugging out you'd have hundreds of them.
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>>61361195
Yeah I remember those, they were a good read. I've been here on and off since I started playing X-wing about, god, four years ago now. Fuck time flies.

>>61361502
The whole of Lucasfilm is going to have to actually put in some effort. They've realized the golden goose is cooked and they've got to try and prop it back up again. God knows if they'll succeed.

>>61362394
>>61362466
I'd say it's likely because they, along with Vader's outfit, are designed along the lines of traditional Japanese armor. The actual design for them is something that has been centuries in the making and so naturally they look better than something some random person came up with all on their own.

>>61363370
Agreed. Easily the best and most iconic place the prequels came up with. I think the STs reluctance to go there cost them more than they thought in terms of cohesion.

>>61363434
Really the clones should have been used from the outset as the first wave of troops, but from there the mass use of conscripts should have taken over most of the grunt work. Like all that pointless dying on Umbara should have been general infantry, not the clones you spent ten years growing to adulthood. You can train up reasonably competent armies in a short period of time, especially in an era where air support is king and so they'll mostly just be tasked with holding ground already taken. The only reason to not do this is the Republic's aversion to war, even with Palpatine doing everything to drive up the desire for it.
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>>61364854
>the prequels came up with
Coruscant first appeared in the Thrawn Trilogy.
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>>61364854
Supposedly, the clones were just doing the offensive operations, and planetary militaries and volunteer militias were securing territory after the clones had taken it. The CIShet shitlords were doing the same thing whenever they had enough local organic forces to secure territory.
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>>61364873

And also appeared in a bunch of shit like other novels and comics. Coruscant was well established by the time the prequels came out. It's just that it wasn't until the prequels came out there was no real constant direction on what it looked like or how you pronounced the name.
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>>61364794
I don't think Vietnam is an accurate judge of conscription based armies. There was a lot of stuff going on in that war, and in the end the US still won. Also, frankly, a few random mass killings in a war zone isn't that big a deal. That sort of thing happens all the damn time even with professional soldiers, it's just that Vietnam was the first war ever put on television and so common people a world away got it beamed into their living room. (I'd rather not have this devolve into a discussion on 'Nam)

Conscription armies have often done well in a multitude of situations. The German, French, Soviet, Japanese, and American armies were all largely made out of conscripts during WWII. The kind of mass mobilization that we're talking about can and has been done to professional standards relatively fast. The Germans pre-WWII is an excellent example of this; using their previously trained soldiers as NCOs for the new recruits (I'll grant that nobody in the galaxy actually knows how to fight a war at that point). The Republic easily could have done this with clone NCOs and officers leading conscripts from the general population. Indeed, this is how most armies have been raised and fought for the majority of human history. National professional soldiery is incredibly scant for most eras, and really only came into vogue in the 1700s. It also requires a relatively constant need for war, which the Star Wars galaxy hasn't had for 1,000+ years.

>>61364888
Pity we don't see more of that. A bit on Kashyyyk I guess, and also Mon Cala. I wish they'd done more with showing how bad both sides were at war at the start, and then growing them both into frighteningly efficient death machines by the end. Like the US Civil War.
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>>61364794
The thing that also factors in is the Republic really had no standing military force, they had some kind of Green Beret dudes that could do requisitioning security forces and other endemic fighty types that could be used as sort of stop-gap measures when needed. But they aren't actually soldiers, sort of vaguely militarised police forces really. When you've got the big dick of the CIS coming down with droids straight out of the factory being murderous little bastards, its a big ask to expect hurriedly trained troops to do much more than soak up blaster shots... and blaster gas is comparatively cheap!

Clones straight out of the vat with some super speedy training are hardcore soldiers and that's the main thing which makes them a "well, using slave soldiers grown in a vat is kind of sketchy from a morality perspective, be we are totally fucked if we don't". Soldiers take ages to train and 'git good' at their job because regardless of where you get them, they're generally only capable of feeding and clothing themselves somewhere between frantic wanking and chasing pussy.
Heck, we don't even assume the little cunts actually know how to clean themselves, which end a bullet comes out of a gun, how to polish boots or drink enough water so they don't become a casualty- some people might, but considering how important it is they do know how to function. It just takes time, the republic didn't have 'time'.
That's just for grunts- an easy 6-8months before you can really consider them a basic Pvt Benis with a gun that'll mostly do enough to make their training worth it.
>Vehicle and technical- forget it
>Aerospace and piloting- forget it
>NCOs fucking no way
>Officer corps lol no
>Spec forces nope

You just can't find enough, quick enough. Entirely the republics fault for being useless cunts in the first place, but that's sort of why Palps had a fairly easy run to forming the Empire and the advantage of being able to form the CIS as being an immediate threat
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>>61365050
>in the end the US still won
*laughs in Fall of Saigon*
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>>61365070
>well, using slave soldiers grown in a vat is kind of sketchy from a morality perspective
"And the Jedi can't verify if Sifo-Dyas actually commissioned this army like the Kaminoans said he did."
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>>61365050
>There was a lot of stuff going on in that war, and in the end the US still won.

You know people say that but it's hard to believe someone wins a war when they lost all their territory, the other side is still in power decades later, and they were the ones running away.

As for the other points, lets remember the absolute fucked state those armies were at during WWII. Germany did a bunch of serious bullshit that would never fly in literally any other context, even just a raw military professionalism context. The french LOST. The soviets as well did a bunch of shit that was basically the hallmarks of a bad army pushed to the edge and only won due to both numbers and being supported by another force giving them gear and vehicles. The Japanese forces were statistically horrible and didn't even expect to win a real protracted fight with the Americans. The Americans themselves only came in very late into the war, and and had a lot of very serious personnel issues that hampered them early on and even then had serious issues with looting and war crimes that just kind of got swept under the rug.

Conscript armies bring a shit ton of problems with them, hands down. There isn't a single one you mentioned that didn't have those exact problems to a large degree. Yes, Vietnam had a shit ton of other issues like rotation schedules and personnel and supply and every other big issue, but all they did is highlight an existing issue.

Even then, Star Wars explicitly uses Vietnam as much as or more than WWII as it's base. Lucas made this clear from day one. If they added another thing in common with it it follows that it would only go the same way it did in Vietnam as a result.
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>>61365108
Fun fact: Sifo-Dyas was a typo, it was just Palpatine again, under the brilliant pseudonym 'Sido-Dyas'. But because nerds can't leave shit well enough alone, we got a genuine Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, just like everyone came up with dumbass explanations for the 'parsecs' thing instead of the clear and simple explanation of 'Han is a con artist lying out his ass because he thinks his passengers are country yokels from Shithole Planet'
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>>61365124
I know Sifo-Dyas was a typo, but that wasn't the dumb nerds' fault. Lucas caught the typo, but replaced every instance of Sido-Dyas with it because he liked the sound of it.
The inner machinations of his mind are an enigma.
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>>61365070
>You just can't find enough, quick enough. Entirely the republics fault for being useless cunts in the first place, but that's sort of why Palps had a fairly easy run to forming the Empire and the advantage of being able to form the CIS as being an immediate threat

The only reason there was a war was because Palpatine forced the situation. He made the Feds blockade Naboo, stopped their surrender, hid them for ten years afterwards while they built up an army, and then engineered a war to give him the circumstances necessary. Without the sith the entire idea of the jedi being flawed or the republic lacking power becomes irrelevant because things would have been perfect.
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>>61365108
>Sifo-Dyas
>Oh he's a great guy, 100% legit... um yeah, where fuck is old Sifo these days? No one knows, well shit just roll with it or we're fucked.
>How fucked?
>We're talking happy hour on a 2 Credit hooker fucked!
>What the hell is Kaminosomewhere?
>Can't find it, ok prepare the surrender documents!
>Oh, ok Obi's found it
>Clones!
>Yeah clones are fucking great!
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>>61365147
Not perfect, but definitely no less solvable than any of the other crises the Jedi had handled in the almost one thousand year golden age between Ruusan and TPM.
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>>61365133
I love the EU, in parts, but for every good book or idea in it we get nerds who think everything they don't understand is a 'logical inconsistency' instead of accepting the simple fact that people lie or are wrong sometimes. Han goes from a pretty skilled pilot doing his best with the cheap piece of shit he's kept taped together for twenty years to the greatest smuggler in the galaxy with a legendary ship that just looks like a piece of shit... strategically. Because Han couldn't just be lying about the state of the Falcon in order to drum up business, could he?
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>>61365171
I literally just explained that Sifo-Dyas was Lucas's doing.
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>>61365179
The name was. Turning 'Sifo-Dyas' into a Jedi Master with an actual history, a real person instead of one of Palpatine's lies? That was the comics and novels.
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>>61365149
>CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONES!
>Kriff, it's Master Syense Teem, everyone act cool.
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>>61365191
Let's be fair, it's hard to judge one way or the other when Lucas dropped the intended "Mace telling Obi-Wan there was no such Jedi by that name" scene when he replaced Sido-Dyas with Sifo-Dyas.
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>>61365211

Playing the "what Lucas intended" game is madness. Just, like, accept that he's a crazy idiot who was pulling shit out of his ass for almost all of it, and that decent people on the scene pulled it together into a (mostly) sane story and take it from there. Because that's what happened. Acting like his original intentions are A) Meaningful and B) Good is a waste of breath.
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>>61365211
Good ol' Lucas, who needs a scene consistent with the most important part of the Prequels' plot (Palpatine playing both sides) when we could have more screentime for politics, conveyor belts, and discussions on the granularity of sand
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>>61365235
No, I mean in the same script where it was Sido-Dyas, there was a scene where Mace tells Obi-Wan that "Master Sido-Dyas" isn't in any of their records.
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>>61365259
>>61365235
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Attack-of-the-Clones.html for proof
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>>61365147
>things would have been perfect.
Those rascally sith!

Seriously though, galaxy's a big place and shit happens sometimes and you can wind down a military to peacetime levels to the point gronks are off polishing rocks and no one really has practical experience. But that's sort of why you have things like exercises and theory to make sure that when things are far from perfect, at least 'someone' has a bit of an idea, for long enough to come up with a way of unfucking a situation.
Course if you are unfortunate enough to be in peacetime military it is the absolute pits and you'll likely have a budget around the size of a fruit basked and no live ammo for your obsolete personal weapon... but it sort of better than having literally nothing
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>>61365249
Reminder:
>Halfway through their presentation, Lucas cut them off, wandered over to figurines of Darth Maul and Darth Talon (a comic book character), shoved them together, and cryptically declared "They're friends!" When informed that the two lived 170 years apart, Lucas told to them to clone Maul or give him a great-great-grandmaul. Then he used the show Burn Notice as a reference point for the tone he wanted, and compared Maul to The Godfather's Sonny and Talon to Lauren Bacall -- while doing an impression of her that included explaining how whistling worked.

>You should try to find some of the stories from former LucasArts employees. They all dreaded when he said he was coming in to check on progress. He'd make them add weird and arbritrary things to the games that sounded like they came from a dream he had the night before.
>He also would change his mind about stuff they'd spent months working on and that he said he loved on previous visits. It wasn't out of malice, and I never read anything about him getting furious or throwing fits, but still sounded like a nightmare.
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>>61365119

I'm just going to say that is amuses me how ignorant people are about how the Vietnam war actually ended. Hint: there were two endings.

I think the point I was trying to get with conscripts is they do well enough when that's all you have. It has indeed how war has been fought for the vast majority of human history. About the only time it wasn't was with Great Game political wars of post-Westphalian, pre-Revolutionary Europe.

So I think the original point (which wasn't mine), that why didn't the Republic just do some recruiting drives on Coruscant for all their manpower needs, is a reasonable one. The Republic is fighting exactly the sort of war like WWII where they needed to mobilize a large standing army literally yesterday, and so they have to make do with what they have. Problems will no doubt arise, as you pointed out, but they'll just have to be dealt with since the need to throw tons of bodies on fronts all across the galaxy is far more pressing.

Or we could just be smart about it and point out that huge armies shouldn't be necessary in a setting with space fleets that both factions have, and by which the entire war will be decided. Fleets also don't need massive amounts of manpower to run. But then that isn't very fun. This also reminds me of one of my major pet peeves by which people say the Republic had no military before the Clone Wars. This is obviously false, given the fact that there are independent entities like the Hutts, and no doubt the Republic does maintain a professional if probably smallish navy. Indeed all the conversations in the Senate in TPM make no sense if the Republic doesn't have a naval force that could easily crush the TF if they decided to pursue action. It makes more sense to say they have no army, which is a perfectly legitimate thing since the Republic would see little need for taking and holding territory.
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>>61365259
>>61365269

Yeah that's fine, not arguing that, just making the broader point that whoever is in charge of the canon now really isn't worse than Lucas. Or at least, they shouldn't be treated as less 'real' because they AREN'T Lucas.
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>>61365347
We weren't talking about who's in charge now, just about the writing process of AotC. Are you trying to start shit?
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>>61365288

And then instead of seeing a massive buildup of troops from an unfriendly nation and having time to get your shit together, it's a secretive factory line run by several of your members.
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So look forward to a Coruscant that will no doubt be majority Imperial. They're the only ones that got a decent card out of the "essential upgrades" boondoggle. Leia is meme trash at 8 points, and Boba crew is close to worthless (Resistance Han was never a thing), and also costs Scum one of their better pilots. Opening the first major 2.0 tournament in a restricted fashion like this is goddamn stupid. No real ability to play around with the faction except with Imps.

Yes I am prepared to eat my words if it isn't like 60% Imps, but at this point I really doubt it.
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>>61365360
So you're suggesting, that we have some kind of intelligence and security service?
No, no we don't do intelligence and security services tend to trigger people on Forcebook. God forbid we have them both, in the same building and talking to one another... nope!

No sir, you're obviously some kind of fascist power mad lunatic!
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>>61365409

Yeah ok that's a bit far. The Republic wasn't the US, it was more like the UN. Everybody had their own shit going on, and gave minimal fucks about the Republic unless they had to.
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>>61365429
Or like the EU.
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>>61365429
Yeah, its a bit harsh but perhaps if we viewed it a bit like the UN if it was back in the Victorian Age where news from anywhere was uncommon, gentlemen didn't read each other's mail, travel was slow and for the most part systems just sort of bumbled along doing their own shit.
Once in a while people would need help, but if they where comparatively irrelevant then it was mostly left to sort it out themselves rather than have jedi crashing through your front door- then WW1 happens and everyone just throws out any sense of civility after sleep walking into a war.
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>>61365429
It's the US since Lucas saw the Empire as a "we became what we fought" progression of it.
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>>61365554
Awwooo!
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>>61365050
>The German, French, Soviet, Japanese, and American armies were all largely made out of conscripts during WWII.

uhm, no.
>Germany
germany was multifaceted. yes for ostbatalions and SS. only in late 1944 onward was conscription universal among all branches. the falschirmjager particularly were proud and instead of conscripts took other air force servicemen into their ranks as their form of conscription...and those guys had passed Luftwaffe training.
>French
hell no. those libyans were considered the standard of good soldiery for north africa. and same their continental force. they had enough conscript bullshit in WWI
>Japanese
they had separate 'regional' units and their main army. and when i say main army, i mean the one we fought as opposed to the placeholders they left in china. only at Okinawa did we see pressed civilians, it was a last ditch effort by that commander, and not a standard practice.

the anon >>61364794
was also right about Conscript reliability

Mace Windu would be pissing himself mad looking at the numbers of Coruscant NG missing after a month.
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>>61365305
The Republic was not a unitary state. Its members had armies and fleets, and when the republic needed muscle it relied on those. Presumably these were all pretty atrophied since they had just finished enjoying 1000 years of deep peace.

Regarding conscripts, you can't just start conscripting people and expect to get an army. There are quite a few social structures you need to have in place for conscription to eventually place a capable combatant on a field of battle. In case of the Republic most conscripts would presumably desert since very few people seemed to actually care for the Republic. You would have a hard time training them, since you would first need to assemble the institutions used to train them. Before you suggest it would not be a big deal because it was not a problem for WW1 USA note that the cases are not similar: the Republic did not have a military to expand with conscripts. You would presumably need 12-36 months for any reasonably capable force to finish training. That doesn't of course stop you from placing the poor bastards on the battlefield sooner, but the probable outcome is mass casualties followed by mass flight.

Building an army is something best done with a plan and decades (or at least several years) of peace to put all the pieces in place. Even in an emergency it takes about one to three years for a credible force to be assembled. At the start of the Clone Wars the Republic had an army of clones and no other real options. Any other choice would likely lead to swift military collapse followed by political collapse.
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>>61365386
Coruscant has been a meme every year. It's a tradition.

People starting with 2.0 aren't invited so it doesn't really matter. If you lived through all the shit 1.0 metas you can survive Coruscant.

>>61362341
Dark Greetings, anon.
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Asajj
- Sense
- Shadowcaster
- Ketsu
- Rigged Cargo
105/200

So what do I do with these other 95 points?

Also, how do tractor tokens work with Ketsu? If Howlrunner has 2 tractor tokens, and Ketsu doesn't let them clear, and then I throw on another tractor token, does Howlrunner get re-tractored and I get to move her again, or does she only move when she goes from zero to one tractor token? Or from two to three tokens, for large bases.

I want it to be the former but looking at the RRG it seems to be the latter and I'm sad.
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>>61360423
RuneQuest 6 for both.
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>>61360736
RuneQuest 6 can
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>>61362982
Squid?
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>>61366193
The latter, I'm afraid. Ketsu is more for keeping an enemy pinned at -1 Agi, which can be pretty useful, especially on an attacker like Asajj, rather than for repeatedly tractor-tugging them. Anyways, pretty much any ace works alongside Asajj, although my favorite is a 100 point Guri (Lone Wolf, Virago, Shield Upgrade, Stealth Device, Advanced Sensors). Of which, either the Shield Upgrade or Stealth Device is probably the best option to drop to make it under points... or drop Ketsu if you want to tractor-move more often, but Guri will love the -1 Agi on the things she's shooting to death with her 3, often 4-and-focused red dice.
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>>61365191
How retarded are you exactly? "Master Sifo-Dyas was killed almost 10 years ago" is a line from AotC, but I'm sure Obi-Wan meant "Palpatine stopped using that pseudonym 10 years ago" and fans just blown this innocent remark out of proportion into an actual Jedi.
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>>61360003
>https://www.starwars.com/news/essential-atlas-extra-the-history-of-xim-and-the-tion-cluster
Pretty sweet resource for the neighborhood.
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>>61365290
Lucas is a vessel to the dream world.
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>>61366299
I choose the order of my effects that resolve at the start of the engagement phase, right? So I could choose for Palob to drink somebody's token first, then resolve Asajj after, right? There's not really enough points (especially with Moldy Crow to give Palob some teeth) for Asajj + Palob + something that hurts, though, so that's probably not the build, as hilarious as it would be, but a man can dream.

And Asajj/Fenn is just at that level of points where you can't really fit a third thing in but also don't really want to take any more upgrades.

Asajj / Guri sounds fun, though.

Also, Asajj/Boba...
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>>61365848
Is it time for a Mofference, brothers?
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>>61366489
I heard Asajj+2 Zealous Recuit Fang Fighters works well
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>>61367003
That leaves 22 points for upgrades, after Shadowcaster. Aside from Ketsu for the memes, what crew are good there?

With the Lancer dial, Sense + Seasoned Navigator could be a neat trick. 0-0-0 is basically always good - I'm not sure how often the Asajj wants to be at range 1, but normally people basically pretend 0-0-0's text reads "get a free calculate token", and that goes especially for Asajj because of the risk of getting double stressed for no reason. L3 might be decent. Or maybe Zuckuss?
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>>61367079
>>61367003
Latts is still best crew for Asajj
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>>61365290
>>61366458
peter principle in action basically. A man like that shouldn't be his own boss. He's brilliant, but he needs someone there to curb his worst impulses.
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>>61367130
Latts or 0-0-0 is the best crew

Asajj Ventress-84
Banshee Shadow Caster-6
Sense-6
0-0-0-3
Cloaking Device-5
Contraband Cybernetics-5

OR

Latts Razzi-7
Rigged Cargo Chute-4
Contraband Cybernetics-5

2x Zealous Recuit Fangs will put the first list on 197 and the second on 200
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>>61367330
Lancers can't take cloaking device
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>>61367330
I think Latts is slightly better as she works at Range 0-2
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>>61367353
>>61367330
Asajj
- either Sense; OR Heightened Perception plus either Tactical Scrambler or a bid
- Shadow Bansheester
- Latts
- Contraband Cybs
- Rigged Cargo

Comes to 200 with the two Fangs
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>>61367353
Got it cinfused with my other list

0-0-0
Contraband
Rigged cargo

196
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>>61367389
>>61367400
>>61367330
I just realized 4-LOM actually may make a good Asajj buddy.

Come to think of it so can Han Solo with the Lando's Falcon title if points fit
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>>61367455
What makes you think that?
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>>61367524
They can help with the Stress Dump, or benefit from it

4-LOM can dump extra stress on a target (works well against Sloane swarms). Han can help by dropping a cargo chute, and benefits from Asajj stress anyway since he can shoot before the enemy will lose their stress.
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>>61367627
>>61367524
How does that look? How should I complete it?

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!125:72,47,-1,96,-1,-1:-1:-1:;89:133,-1,-1,63,83,96,-1,152:-1:-1:;93:-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron&obs=
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>>61363370
>Coruscant is the coolest planet in Star Wars. That is all.
Coruscant would actually be too cold for humans to live comfortably if it wasn't for all the industrialization.
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>>61367687
Add in the Banshee Shadow Caster title upgrade for 199 and you got a list

I still think Sense is better than Heightened Perception though
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What are some interesting uses for the "strategic asset" option as a duty reward that you have seen in your games or in storytimes? The more off the wall the better.
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>>61367799
a recovered imperial mecha prototype with a unique, esoteric power cell that's on 15% charge
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>>61367789
What about Informant on Han? That way you can do both
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>>61367895
Informant on Lando lets you keep a useful crew on Han
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>>61367918
There's not enough space for both - plus I think crew on the docked escape craft isn't considered active
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What’s the limit for putting aliens from other media into Star Wars?
Mass Effect races would fit for example, because they’re just Space Opera species with more glowing lines.
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>>61368140
star wars has space tentacle monsters

do whatever you want
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>>61368163
So Dark Elder are ok?
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>>61368204
Sure bring the Photon birds as well.
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>>61368140
If they're recognisably a race from another property then it'll be jarring. Gives it a very 12-year-old-writing-fanfiction feel.
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>>61368217
Got a Boomer here
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>>61360003
>Fame. Wealth. Power. Hando Onkha had it all, but before he was sent to the spice mines of Kessel he said these words. "Hello Rebel friends, I require some aid in the Tion Hegemony. There is an old CIS deep dock I'm willing to reveal to you in exchange for my freedom." Now Alliance High Command has sent in the closet Rebel cell to investigate and liberate the old pirate
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Hondo Ohnaka is very much top tier
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So after Rey lifted some rocks and the First Order witnessed Luke's projection the uhhh Resistance runs away out of the newly opened back door of the base... k got it... and then they all fit into a starship of some kind.. right? K got it... and then... they escape through the First Order invasion force blockade and jump to light speed somehow?? K got it... then the First Order just tracks them through lightspeed again like before and uhh kills them I assume. K got it.
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So NOVA is in three weeks.

I'll be playing in one of the three Legion tournaments, so I need some manner of list. But Legion is boring and sucks right now, and NOVA is too soon for the exciting and game changing stuff to be legal - Han/Commandos won't be premier tournament legal until the Monday after NOVA, and Boba/Scouts won't come out until that week.

So, how do I either:
>play the easiest, least brainpower possible games, regardless of my overall results
>wreck the meta and send the bike/rebel trooper spam lists to the bottom, regardless of my overall results
>cheese my way to 4-0

I'm willing to go buy some more models for this but I only play Empire.
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>>61368538
>just came out
>boring and sucks

Ohhh ho ho ho
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>>61368538
Veers and ATST can’t go wrong
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>>61368538
Correction:

I just double-checked, and Han/Commandos WILL be legal at NOVA, it's not a premier level event. That doesn't help me as an imperial player, but it's something.

>>61368615
Well, yeah. It'll be pretty sick by the end of the year, I'd bet. It's just that right now the meta is solved and there's no list-building variety.

>>61368667
I mean, yeah, basically. Veers, AT-ST, and DLTs? Or bikes?
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>>61368461
Don't think about it anon, eat popcorn and turn your brain off.
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>>61368461
>So after Rey lifted some rocks and the First Order witnessed Luke's projection the uhhh Resistance runs away out of the newly opened back door of the base... k got it...
yes
>and then they all fit into a starship of some kind.. right? K got it...
it's the Falcon
>and then... they escape through the First Order invasion force blockade and jump to light speed somehow?? K got it...
because it's the Falcon
>then the First Order just tracks them through lightspeed again like before and uhh kills them I assume. K got it.
the flagship was blown in half. they ain't tracking shit.

the movie had enough problems, you don't need to make up more
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>>61368846
>the flagship was blown in half
why didn't the remaining resistance ships just go in four different directions if there was only one tracker
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>>61368873
>why didn't the resistance have the blueprints of every ship active in the First Order?
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>>61368873
>>61368932
Why didn't Finn go see the commanding officers and tell them about the tracker?
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>>61368949
This is getting dumber the more you reach.
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>>61368949
Because Poe did. And the commanding officer shot down the plan to disable the tracker.
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>>61368949
Why did Finn go from not knowing about the tracker to knowing where it is because he mopped the tracker room in the past?
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>>61368949
Why didn't Hux follow the warnings his more experienced officer? He literally warns Hux that ship was preparing to jump to lightspeed facing the fleet.
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>>61368964
Then why didn't the resistance ships just jump each one to different direction and then meet at some pre-determined co-ordinates and then run some more?
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>>61368988
No fuel for more jumps and does not beat the tracking tech.

>>61368977
Because he us a creature of pure arrogance.
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>>61369000
But wasn't the tracker only tracking one ship though?
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>>61369000
There was only one tracker, which was a conveniently floaty, glass, pringletin-sized cylinder in the really big ship.
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>>61368873
they only had fuel for one jump.

they jump to four different places, the supremacy tracks them to four different places. now they're four ships stranded, by themselves, with star destroyers on the way to each of them.
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>>61368973
Because Poe knew about the tracker.

>>61368988
Because the resistance figured it out after having fuel for one more jump, so they would be sacrificing a quarter or more of their fleet versus saving as many people as possible.

And the plan that was in place only failed because of Poe going against orders again, and DJ sold out Rose and Fynn to save his own ass.
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>>61369034
Finn learning from Poe made him retroactively mop the tracker room?
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>>61369010
>>61369029
Nothing suggests the tracker couldn't track multiple jumps at once.
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>>61369010
One ship doing all the tracking, but tracking multiple ships.
>>61369029
Some number of the other ships have the tracking tech too (Hux started tracking without the supremacy), but the standard FO procedure is using one at a time.
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>>61369064
Finn knew about the existing trackers, this likely wouldn't have been integrated somewhere else.
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>>61369064
Finn knew where it was, not how to shut it off or necessarily what it did. Rose was the one who figured out how to shut it down.
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>>61368846
>make up
No nigga
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>>61369081
>standard FO procedure is using one at a time
Why?
>>61369093
Pardon?
>>61369098
Not the question.
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>>61368846
Look, it's best to not even engage with these posters. They aren't actually arguing about it because they think they're addressing real issues with the movie, they just trying to start half-assed arguments because they think that by doing so they're trolling some cabal of Disney-loving SJWs that they're bravely resisting in some kind of moral crusade. Instead of just annoying a bunch of people who are trying to talk about Star Wars tabletop.
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>>61369116
So talk about the FFG Star Wars, you queer.
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>>61369066
Whilst true, there is also nothing to suggest it could.

>>61369081
>Using one at a time
Fucking
Why
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>>61369105
>Why?
Because writers have to make the bad guys incompetent at some level so that they can write some sorta escape plan they can come up with.
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>>61369105
Because new tech, one ship sharing the data with the fleet. It is mentioned as piw/finn/rose are trying to come up with the plan.
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>>61369105
Finn didn't know what it was until Rose explained it to him. Because a sanitation worker isn't going to understand what every piece of machinery does.
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>>61369205
>sanitation worker
But he's a Stormtrooper.
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>>61369219
He did both.
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>>61369219
>complaining about movies you didn't watch
I don't know what I expected
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>>61369105
Finn knows where any tracker is on a star destroyer, so he knows where the new one would be since it's a retrofit. He had clearance to know where the guts of star killer were too, so while a janitor he still had a high clearance. USAF officers mop up nuclear sites.

Poe knows which star destroyer belongs to Hux because he is connected to the communications officers.

The Resistance doesn't know how many of these they have, or how many ships are being tracked - the single tracker is an assumption by Poe's group while the Resistance officers acted assuming the technology was now common.

The tracker works by using a new style of super computer to narrow the possible location of a jump from a few in OT era down to one. They blew up the super computer working on those calculations, we don't know how much of a window that buys the Resistance but it should be some amount of a window.

Holdo manages to kamikaze at light speed because Hux's hubris, not using any defensive measures until it was too late and she manages to pull it off at the exact right time because it's a movie.
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>>61369252
And while we are as it, gravity wells don’t physically stop a hyperdrive jump just trick a computer into believing a planet is there and bailing on hyperspace. When Holdo makes the jump she is obviously overriding the computer because it is sounding alarms all over the place.
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>>61369029
That wasn't the tracker. That was the power station for the tracker. Their plan wasn't to blow up the tracker itself, just to turn it off long enough to leave.
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'Sup /swg/, maybe you can give me some suggestions (or at least pointers on where to look). I'm looking for a raiding ship that's large enough for at least a fighter sized vessel to dock with (and isn't going to be 100% explored as soon as the players step inside) but not so large that it couldn't be disabled by a fighter. Ideally it'd be something the Rebels or an independent group could have circa 1-2 ABY, but I'll take what I can get. Bonus points if it's got a deckplan floating around that I can use, and/or it could reasonably pass itself off as something innocent (or at least avoid a major law enforcement response).
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>>61369303
Basically any light freighter will do.
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>>61369303
How many crew/passengers are you looking for?
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>>61369252
Finn doesn't even need to know where the tracker itself is. They establish it's not about the tracker itself - that's controlled from the bridge, where obviously an attack would be detected. What Finn, Rose, and DJ were attempting to shut down was power control for the tracking device, because a device like that has its own dedicated power source, and of course Finn knows where the generator rooms are on a Star Destroyer, given he was a trooper. It's all literally laid out in the dialogue, but apparently people weren't paying attention.
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>>61369343
>of course Finn knows where the generator rooms are on a Star Destroyer, given he was a trooper.

lol
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>>61369300
>>61369343
Thanks, that's what I get for misremembering the tiniest pedantic details that make or break a movie for people.
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>>61369303
A Gozanti, maybe?
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>>61369326
That makes sense but there's practically a trillion different light freighters so I'm trying to narrow it down a little.
>>61369331
For the raider? It's not something I considered, really, but I guess anything in the ballpark of 4 crew (or maybe a bit more, since this is for a FFG SWRPG game with a party of 4 PCs) is A-OK. Sorry for vagueposting, I'm about 90% sure at least one of my players reads this thread.
>>61369391
Could work, I'll at least take a look. Thank you!
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So, now that Droids have a dedicated action in Calculate, the CIS are real, and there seems to be a fair amount of thought being put into droid pilots and ships, what are the odds the Empire adds TIE/Ds to their lineup?
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>>61369433
>Due to calculate being weaker than focus, TIE/Ds generics can be cheaper than Academy Pilots
Time to unleash the swarm
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>>61369514
19 point TIE/D, one Modification slot only, the new Sunny Bounder Light Scyk of our time
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>>61369433
Why would TIE Droids have such tiny cooling/solar panels?
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>>61369605
Don't need to power life support systems?

>>61369536
>>61369514
They're not gonna break the 8 models per squad cap, anons.

Also, TIE droids are extra super non-canon.

Buy them from shapeways and run them as Vultures, if you must.
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>>61369637
TIEs don't have life support systems, that's what the flight suit and helmet are for.
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>>61369605
Cheaper to make
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>>61365191
>Turning 'Sifo-Dyas' into a Jedi Master, a real person That was the comics and novels
Incorrect. AotC establishes that Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi.

>>61365149
>>Yeah clones are fucking great!
Not what happened.
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>>61369738
One who died around the time the order for the clones came through.
But we've moved on. Talk about TIE Droids.
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>>61369745
>linked white rotate on every action
Awww yeah. Are we assuming it's an RZ-2 style turret with only front and back available?
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>>61369409
Luke had a Ghtroc 720 that he retrofitted a hangar into for his X-Wing, and that's about Falcon sized.
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>>61369795
That appears to be what the first two lines say.

Second two lines seem to be something about using special weapons in a different arc or something.
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>>61363434
>why the hell were clones ever even considered an option when merely conscripting/recruiting
Are you forgetting the Clones were created by the Sith to fight Jedi? Did you use your brain writing this post?
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>>61369745
Can we get a shot of the full Upsilon? Does it still have 4 attack dice?
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>>61369755
>One who died around the time the order for the clones came through.
Right. So Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi who was killed and impersonated.
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>>61365124
>Fun fact: Sifo-Dyas was a typo
The only source I see for this is Reddit
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>>61369951
>>61365269
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>>61369951
why do you go to reddit
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>>61369938
I found it on Facebook with no source, don't anything more, sorry.
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>>61370025
>only using one website
What kind of retard are you?
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>>61369924
It fires missiles out of the turret arc. Lore friendly.
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>>61369745
Wish we could see the attack number. If you get 3 dice out the front or back no matter what, that ship would be a beast.
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>>61370091
there are more than two websites on the internet
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>>61370285
I think it's gonna be two. We partly saw the Special Forces Gunner slot which seems to say more or less the same thing as the SF title. (either 3 dice front or bonus attack from back)
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>>61370285
I bet it's like it was, 3 front, 2 back, except now you have to rotate arc to shoot backwards
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>>61370450
If the Backdraft screenshot is correct, it doesn't have a rear arc on the base.
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status = happening

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/8/10/rise-of-the-separatists/
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>>61370460
Nah, it's front arc and turret arc, probably RZ-2 style where the 'turret' is front and rear only based on the card.
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>>61370423
Then why do I only browse 4chan and reddit?
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>>61370516
>Rise of the separatists
DOWN WITH THE REPUBLIC ELITES! LONG LIVE FREEDOM! LONG LIVE THE CONFEDERACY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lySK7ALQA
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>>61370516
ITS HAPPENING
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>>61370541
why would you need anything else at that point.
>>61370543
that's a pretty shit song son.
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>>61370516
MOTHER OF GOD
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>>61370541
well fuck
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>>61370516
Jar Jar stats when?
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>>61370517
Yeah, it seem so. Still, with all white chain rotates it will be pretty good. Especially if the gunner is free/cheap like the title is now.
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>>61370563
Fuck you i like it and im not even from the USA.
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>>61370516
Oh fuck full on careers, not just specializations.
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>>61369116
Or the movie just sucks.
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>>61370516
VENTRESS STATS
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The only thing I still don't get is that the Seperatist movement is supposed to build off what we and Amidala see in TPM ("It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions."), and it's because the Trade Fed and the like have corrupted the system, YET in AotC, Amidala says
>Not if they feel threatened. My guess is they'll turn to the Trade Federations or the Commerce Guilds for help.

What?????
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>>61369116
I think it's mostly because TLJ showed clearly what a shitshow DisneyWars is and it created a huge backlash.
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Shit, they are going all in on the prequels, only Armada left in the dust as usual
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>>61370618
>not even from the USA
>not even from the USA
>not even from the USA
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>>61370757
No mitä muuta sä haluat? Passin ja aluekoodin vai?
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>>61370771
>being a French Canadian on a Kongolese body painting forum
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>>61370751
I'd be willing to bet most of Armada;s resources went into designing and producing that enormous triangular paperweight they just unveiled.

They undoubtedly have CW material for it in development, but it probably isn't far enough along to show off, or else it's wayyy down the line at the moment.
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>>61370771
a firm background in the war he's referencing. also taste that isnt shit but that might be beyond you.
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>>61370826
>>61370751
Also, they just randomly dropped this on a Friday two weeks after gencon. They're clearly not too picky about announcing things there if the article isn't ready.
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>>61370835
If i didn't have shit taste, would i be here?
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>>61370864
fuck anon you got me, congratulations you won an arguement on the internet, but it was a 4chan arguement so you still lose.
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>>61370710
Damn, that's a fucking sexy Obi-Wan.
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>>61370885
I am fully aware of that, yet i am still proud because it's the only thing i can be proud of.
Then again, would i be here if i had anything to be proud of to begin with?
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>>61370516
>no release date

Q1 if we're lucky
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>>61370917
Knights of fate and unlimited power both released in a timely manner, so hopwfully it is more like thise and less like fully operational or cyphers and masks.
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What shade of green should I paint my imperial infantry minis?
More olive drab/army green or more like pic related?
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>>61370751
They pretty much admitted at Gencon that they'll be making stuff for Armada but it isn't along enough to announce. I'd still expect an announcement for it before the end of the year.

>>61370826
> producing that enormous triangular paperweight they just unveiled.

That is a pretty apt description. Honestly the ship doesn't even look it would be that fun to fly, It's just a super long ISD that's basically two ships. At 200 bananas I probably won't pick one up, just go all in on the Republic when they drop. I wonder if Armada will get a new core with GAR/CIS.
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>>61370516
Fuuuuuuuck yeeeeeeees
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>>61369915
Really? That's pretty neato, I thought you wouldn't be able to cram a fighter in there (doesn't help that my sense of scale is shit). The Space Turtle strikes again! If anyone else has suggestions to throw into the ring I'm still willing to take them. Thanks a ton, guys.
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>>61370516
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Will the Jedi and Clone Trooper careers get their own career books? That would be awesome
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>>61371492
>4 Charm
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>>61371446
>(doesn't help that my sense of scale is shit)
don't worry, the scale of the entire EU is bonkers
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>>61370714
Amidala's aware the corporations and the like have corrupted the system. The average Sep citizen/politician sees the Republic in general being corrupt. The businesses then prey on that in the hopes they can ancap it up even further in the seceded galactic state.
To a degree much like big businesses championing left-leaning social causes or politics irl
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>>61371304
We've been playtesting the SSD locally, and it is fun to play with. Feels like a solid addition.

But if you're buying it, you're paying $150 for the model and $50 for the game piece, for sure.

>>61371543
Would make sense. Gotta sell something.
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>>61370516
That art is so sexy
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>>61364854
>I think the STs reluctance to go there cost them more than they thought in terms of cohesion.

JJ was going to blow up Coruscant in TFA. The Mouse stepped in and said no because they were worried about cutting off potential future stuff there, so instead they renamed it to Hosnian and made it another ecumenopolis that nobody had ever heard of or cared about.
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>>61370516
>These are just a few of the new careers available in Rise of the Separatists—as you'll soon learn, the book contains even more options for Clone Wars-era heroes!
I'm sure it's unlikely, but I hope one option is a Judicial Forces officer.

Disappoints me that they make no mention of any Separatist options, though. Why does FFG seem to deter players from being something other than the most obvious good guys?
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>>61372048

Read closer and stop trying to be butthurt.

2/4 species are major Separatist options, and under the heading based on the quote "Heroes On Both Sides" there's this:
>Of course, there are two sides to the war and you may find yourself either working with or at odds with a Jedi of the Republic.

They don't always go whole hog on spoilers in the announcement, but "Jedi" and "Clone Trooper" as careers is probably what they hear the most about so they want to be like "oh yeah you can do that", and then mention for the other smaller demographic "No we didn't forget you, there's more stuff in the book but our article writers charge by the word or something so we'll let you know"

>as you'll soon learn, the book contains even more options for Clone Wars-era heroes!
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>>61372048
We have 2 player races right there that are directly sepratist. There will more tgan likely be enough.
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>>61359970
>>61364629

I'd agree with starting them slower. Maybe have them do a couple of small jobs for this guy before building up to the big job. The players will start to trust this guy and that should make the betrayal all the better. Maybe only drop hints that this guy is involved with the rebellion. He could be a small time crime boss or a merchant as his cover.
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Ok, where is based Zamposter? I need some Zam.
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>>61373140
his/her pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/w3hZjQFx
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>>61361305
>ywn have a hot twilek twink to fuck in the butt after saving the galaxy all day

its not fair bros
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>>61373140

Big Zam?
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>>61371580
You genuinely cleared that up for me. Based.
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>>61369536
10 tie swarm
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>>61371789
Source?

>>61371580
>>61373324
I still don't get it. Why do the Seps think the republic is corrupt if not because of the Trade Fed and co?
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>>61371545
Think Ventress will have a High Charm or High Deception?

Seduction is listed as "when feigned, its more appropriate to use deception"
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>>61373377
It's an alliance between megaconglomerates who think the Republic's gonna screw them unless they screw the Republic first and Rim planets who think they've been giving more to the Republic than they've gotten and the Core has been reaping the benefits at their expense.
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>>61373420
That's fine, it just makes it so TPM isn't setting up the separatist crisis like I thought.
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Because people will get mad, while FFG would never waste page-space telling you this in a book, they are on record as saying all NPC stats are starting points, because running through every possible combination and skill they could have would take up too much of the book - which they only have limited space in. Also at no point will an NPC printed as "super awesome special all PCs die" unless that's part of the narrative of an adventure or something because if they actually appear with stats they're never supposed to "outshine" the PCs.
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>>61370516
THE PREQUELS JUST KEEP WINNING
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>>61373474
The Trade Federation blockaded Naboo over trade route taxation shenanigans. They and the other conglomerates saw those tax hikes as only the beginning and, at Sidious's urging, started seeking common cause with disenfranchised Rim planets.
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>>61373285
once we get the Big Zam in mass production, the Federations days will be over!
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We better get more official realistic Ahsoka art out of this. CW and Rebels make her (and everyone else) into an ugly goblin.
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>>61373574
There's good art of most, if not all those chars in Force and Destiny. I'm pretty sure Ahsoka's in the core book.
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>>61373590
There's only a couple, and I always appreciate more.
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>>61373574
>realistic Ahsoka
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>>61373664
That looks nothing like Ahsoka though, her face was a fair bit wider and had much fuller lips.
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Art like this is why the PT > OT and ST at this point
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>>61373687
You can recreate this exact scene with Stormtroopers and an Inquisitor in the GCW, dnd they'll actually be fighting opponents that are worth a damn.
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>>61373687
As far as art direction/concept design goes, i've always thought the PT beat out the OT.
>inb4 bad CG
Matte paintings don't like real either, now shoo.
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>>61373749
Yeah except this is happening all over the galaxy, not some 500th small skirmish (totally a war guys!) yet again.
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>>61373750
It's pretty much the exact same style by episode 3, though I will admit that the prequels had far more impressive vistas [[spoilers]]so many veestas[[/spoiler]] due to the use of CG.
>>61373778
You underestimate how many enemies the Empire had.
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>>61373686
Ialways assumed she was intended to be black
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>>61373823
more like indian
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>>61373823
She ain't white, that's for sure.
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>>61373778
What about the post-Endor, pre-Onderon period where the Alliance to Restore the Republic/Alliance of Free Planets/New Republic is increasingly better matched with the Empire?
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>>61373836
Imagine Ahsoka with an Indian Accent...
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>>61373837
No shit. Ventress is white, or maybe a light gray. Ahsoka is orange.
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>>61373860
Which accent? India's got fucktons of languages.
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>>61373881
Tech support scammer accent
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>>61373863
>pic related
>>61373840
>pre-Onderon
Which battle of Onderon?
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>>61373914
The one that ends in Palpatine's last clone body dying, best husbando Empatojayos Brand dying after intercepting his spirit when he moves to bodyjack baby Anakin, and the spirits of every Jedi who ever lived casting Palpatine into the deepest depths of Force Hell to make sure he stays dead this time.
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>>61373840
I've never cared about post-ROTJ, since it was quickly becoming out of date with what was going on with the PT.
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>>61373944
>>61373914
*when Palpatine moves to bodyjack
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>>61373914
>>pic related
Why are the letters mirrored?
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>>61370516
ANOTHER GREAT DAY IN THE GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC
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>>61373949
Nani?
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>>61373863
The Wook only lists her skin as "Pale" and not an exact colour

I think shes more "Literally white" than a Light Grey
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>>61373967
While muddled with nostalgia and other shit, the post-ROTJ we have now is what it would be if it was made with the PT in mind. It just dropped the ball outside of stuff like Bloodline. Though TLJ doesn't work without the PT era as well.
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>>61374047
Please explain how "the Empire's armies and fleets are completely destroyed over the course of a single year and genderfluid pirates hijack Executors" naturally follows from the PT.
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>>61374094
Because the writers are shit at their job.
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>>61374094
The same reason why the Republic got a 1000 years of peace conveniently without any Sith remnants around other than the rule of two.
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>>61374199
You don't see a difference in scale here?
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>>61374137
So you've given no arguments as to why the old post-Jedi EU doesn't fit with the prequels, and haven't given any justification for why the new EU does better other than 'there was more peace'.
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>>61373377
lack of representation given the majority of the sep cause is outside of the inner rim
I imagine a spin campaign carefully omitting the crimes of the trade fed, techno union untz untz and other major contributors was also involved to sell their alliance but that's headcanon.
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>>61373411
Deception. Ventress doesn't do 'genuine' seduction given it mostly involves rage and angst.
Which is hot for some, my dick included but not conventionally seductive.
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>>61374222
Okay? The FO is literally just the Sith coming back to take down the Republic except it's quicker and with a club. The NR is pretty much the same Republic from the PT but smaller. You don't have to like it, but to say it doesn't parallel the PT era is foolish.
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>>61370516
>Mandalorian chanting intensifies
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Protip: the best PT-integrating post RotJ EU work was written before the PT even came out.
This page right here is the only sequel to RotJ that wouldn't feel redundant.
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>>61374455
go away karen
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>>61374047
I'm not sure what the prequels have to do with it, but I could see the Empire collapse post-Endor. The destruction of the first Death Star was presumably a big setback, but the Empire was at the apex of its power and had Pappy Palpatine (a ruthless and capable politician) around to handle the crisis. The outcome is a growing rebellion and a doubling down on the Tarkin doctrine in the form of the second Death Star. The Empire is presumably in the process of slowly unraveling, and then the battle of Endor happens. Suddenly: a second Death Star, that also got destroyed, this time before it was even completed. This proves that the Empire is both irredeemable and inept. Also the Empire was set up to maximize the power of and loyalty towards one individual, the Emperor, with no plans in place to replace him in death. With an organizational culture that prizes ruthless ambition the Empire might never fully reorganize itself behind any other leader after Palpatine. Throw in an emboldened and strengthened rebellion, internal dissent and the sheer chaos of not having a leader anymore and I could see the entire Empire coming unglued at the seams.
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>>61374392
That's oversimplifying it to the point of absurdity and you know it.
>>61374486
You have forgotten the face of your father.
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>>61374500
That's literally what the EU did back in the day. What people don't like about how NuCanon does it is how quickly and completely it portrays a galaxy-spanning hegemon collapsing.
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>>61374542
Because Palpatine willed it.
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>>61374500
but that's not what happened in canon. palpatine pushed imperial self-destruct button from beyond the grave, the imperial fleed fucked off into the unknown space, and the nr perofrmed the most retarded demilitarization in the galactic history, a completely one-sided one
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>>61374585
I mean it was called the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" which hadn't had a military in one thousand years.
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>>61374486
No.
I have never read anything she wrote but I think repcom was neat.
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>>61374570
And because the NuImperial military is complete imbeciles from top to bottom. Then again, the NuNew Republic unilaterally disarms, and the NuNuEmpire and the NuNuRebels aren't any smarter than their predecessors.
>>61374618
Because it had no enemies at the time it dissolved its army and downscaled its navy to an anti-piracy force. The NuNew Republic does have enemies.
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>>61374503
>You have forgotten the face of your father.
That scene in the movie was funny, tbqhwu.
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>>61374500
What made the old EU interesting though was portraying the Imperial Remnant as the new underdogs trying to find some way to get back on top again. It reversed the roles and eventually led to characters like Pellaeon. In fact, most people who support the Empire do so in part because of the humanization they got at this time. Nucanon can't seem to get any deeper than "bad guys do bad things because they're bad hurr."
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>>61374623
I still wish we got IC2. Sadly, warrior Mando'ade and clone rights activism weren't on the table for Clone Wars. Makes me sad, and I remember having a wtf moment when Mandalore was pacifist in the show.
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>>61374646
I didn't see the Dark Tower movie.
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>>61374618
they had no enemies and jedi to sort off minor stuff. neither of this is true for the retarded republic
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>>61374542
Once the ball starts rolling the Empire might go quickly into the night. A world suddenly decides it no longer wants to submit to Imperial rule, angry (surprisingly well armed and trained) people wearing rebel insignia storm a local garrison and the Imperial commander calls for reinforcements. If he then hears only disjointed orders with vague assurances as the officer at the other end of the line is wondering if his boss is going to be the next Emperor or dead, the local officer might decide to surrender (if he had doubts himself), or to pack up and retreat to the closest loyalist world (if he still had faith). Imperial rule had few loyalists and many worlds kept in line by threat of military force. If the soldiers who made up that force lost faith in the chain of command they may well become ineffective at their jobs. Good leadership and time would be needed to re-establish the chain of command, but if the command kept infighting you might see a rebel/New Republic victory before that has the time to take place.
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>>61374674
They lost all their good Jedi though. With Hoth and the A-team dead, the best Jedi they had was a furry.
No wonder the Republic failed.
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>>61374657
I wtf'd when I first heard about it. I recently watched the show though, and it makes a bit more sense when it became clear that 1) the pacifist thing is a very new development and 2) it's not working out very well for them. There's nothing left of the pacifism by the time Rebels takes place.
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>>61374700
Yes, and that is what happened back in the EU days. Imperial central authority held out in the galactic north and parts of the Core, but most of the galaxy was controlled by either nominally Imperial warlords, ex-Imperial warlords, or the New Republic.
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>>61374585
The majority of the Empire capitulated after Jakku. As far as the NR is concerned the threat was gone.
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>>61374837
>>61374674
>they had no enemies and jedi to sort off minor stuff.
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>>61374640
>>61374659
They still built up NR planetary forces to defend themselves, even without a central military.

You really think a galaxy sick of war and the oppression of the militaristic Empire would have wanted hem to have a huge force? You realize this is the same galaxy that also has neutral systems and other factions now as well? Other than pirates you also have CIS and corporate interests rising up. What are you going to do, wave your dick around until you get toppled as well?

In the end they get fucked because they didn't learn from the Republics before them, not because they didn't have an army. Remember they also were dealing with FO agents in the government as well, not to mention certain senators being nostalgic for the Empire's rule.
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>>61374874
Another point of note: the FO made starkiller because they really did not want to face the NR fleet.
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>>61361329
but he's right?
you started with ad hominem. How about calming down anon? enjoy the star wars
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>raise an attribute to 4
>every skill check is now Hard
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>>61374837
The threat is gone, how, there is still Imperial Remnants and the whole ordeal between Jakku and TFA is called a fucking Cold War
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>>61374896
Hey

If you are in the game with the dumb doctor: I am sorry, I will try and fix that
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>>61374889
They could build countless ships instead of that station, and losing it was not even a setback for the fo
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>>61374905
The IR that did exist was also made to comply with dearmnament. The FO was not known until it was already well built. The cokd war is for what leia was up to in the 6 years before TFA.
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>>61374656
This. If I was sent back in time and forced to make a sequel trilogy, I would use the opportunity to compare and contrast the New Republic with the Empire. For example I would have a scene where the New Republic has captured a Remnant saboteur and imprisoned her, a hardened young militant woman, in a cell on the Peace Moon (some kind of big, benign space installation). A floaty droid approaches the prisoner, but because this is the galaxy of light it renders to the captive medical care instead of torture and truth drugs. Where Vader once failed in a similar situation, a New Hero builds rapport with the saboteur and learns the location of the hidden Remnant base. This leads to New Republic sneaking a team of heavy walkers on planet, so that New Hero can disable the Ion Cannon of the Remnant base so the New Republic fleet in orbit can capture them. For the sake of pottery I might even contrive a reason for Old Luke to sit in a swivel chair in a room with deep holes, dispensing wisdom to a confrontational young antagonist force user who then engages Luke's apprentice New Hero in a duel. Because Old Luke is not a piece of shit looking to exchange one apprentice for another, he then gets up to join in to help subdue the threat.
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>>61374923
Storytime?
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>>61374934
The weapon had fuffilled the primary goal of decapitating the NR in a decisive blow.
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>>61374659
Roland says it to a couple of high school looking thots on a bus.
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>The big issue isn't that the NR doesn't want a standing army. It's that it's portrayed as one of ideals rather than politics or practicality.

>A galactic army is fucking expensive. Yeah the GAR existed but it nearly made the republic broke. To expand after that the empire had to loot thousands of planets just to make sure they had the right rations and the materials to even make the ships. Fully functioning Star Destroyers on the level of an ISD take tens of thousands of people to run and all those people need to get fed and paid and clothed. It's entirely reasonable for the NR to scale back their military power to something affordable, PROVIDED they have other ways to keep the peace.

>The old republic had Jedi to do that job and they were basically working around the clock to make that system work. They also had an active judicial branch to cover what the jedi couldn't. The Jedi ALSO had Antarian rangers and shit to aid them in that work. It was still very much an active system even if it was carved down to pieces to stop it from being overly large.

>The NR in NuCanon had none of that. They had some X-Wings yes but they aren't really portrayed as being a real active force out there. They do not have the jedi or a real intelligence service doing the jobs a peacekeeping force should be doing. They don't have anyone actually out there making sure peace is actually kept.

>>61374945
Good thing all of this was in the movie and not in DLC.
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>>61374934
>losing it was not even a setback for the fo
in fairness it accomplished what it set out to do
obliterating the only large-scale organized navy and the seat of galactic power
we don't actually KNOW how much power the FO has, given our only look into their scale outside of the group chasing the bad news bothans is rey saying some shit clearly at least partially meant to get luke off his ass and could then be fairly bs
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>>61375015
>clearly at least partially meant
Stop writing for these people, that's supposed to be their job.
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>>61374973
>>61375015

the republic fleet would have to be unimaginably huge if a planet sized superweapon to take it out was an economicaly sound idea
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>>61374987
>they don't have anyone actually out there making sure peace is actually kept.
That each system has their own independent peacekeeping force is stated a few times in extra material and >implied by them making the call that nobody answered in TLJ
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>>61374987
You overestimate the NR's reach, they were even smaller than the Empire which was smaller than the Republic. Much like how the force is bigger than the Sith and Jedi the galaxy is bigger than the government.
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Reminder that the ST is closer to being objectively poorly made than the PT is.
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>>61374874
If that was the case then the Resistance, with its 12 surviving members and a light transport, would not be the premier fighting force resisting the First Order at the end of the Last Jedi. We would instead have a movie about the other, more credible forces fighting the First Order.

Also, treasonous senators is such a enormously poisonous concept I doubt the writers of Nu-Canon realized what kind of fire they were toying with there. Corrupt New Republic senators selling out the government means the entire New Republic, and democratic rule in general, is illegitimate in the Star Wars universe.
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>>61375044
Good thing literally the entire thing was in that one system too. Imagine if even half of it had been somewhere else, then the conflict might have to distinguish itself from Rebels versus Empire.
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>>61375015
>we don't actually KNOW how much power the FO has, given our only look into their scale outside of the group chasing the bad news bothans is rey saying some shit clearly at least partially meant to get luke off his ass and could then be fairly bs

There is not a single safe port in the entire galaxy for the not rebels to jump to (distance is not an issue in canon)
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>>61374952
I have a bad habit of just making skill checks hard if I don't know what to set them to and a player really wants to do a thing. The Medic player in the game I am running is a bit of an airhead, not a lot to say frankly.
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>>61375042
>stop writing for these people
Rey's babble about the first order taking over everything was in the midst of her LUKE COME DO COOL JEDI THINGS AND STOP THE BAD GUYS ramble. There's plenty of reasons the ST is shit without outright ignoring what's presented.
>>61375044
If the FO's standing fleet really is what's shown in TLJ and not a whole lot more it's not the most outlandish thing I guess?
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>>61375067
>the entire New Republic, and democratic rule in general, is illegitimate in the Star Wars universe.
The separatists were right all along
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>>61375067
>Also, treasonous senators is such a enormously poisonous concept I doubt the writers of Nu-Canon realized what kind of fire they were toying with there. Corrupt New Republic senators selling out the government means the entire New Republic, and democratic rule in general, is illegitimate in the Star Wars universe.

It's call intrigue and would have been great if it was done right outside of one book. The ST could have been a beautiful blend of PT and OT concepts.
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>>61375067
>democratic rule in general, is illegitimate in the Star Wars universe.
That is a hell of a leap, mind walking me through that one anon?
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>>61375079
The issue there is less a safe port and more that a death pizza the size of eighty seven smaller death pizzas can figure out exactly where they're running
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>>61375065
But Jar Jar! But midi-chlorians! But CGI! But awkward romance between a monk with umedicated Borderline Personality Disorder and an autistic girl!
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>get 5 advantages and 0 successes
Every fucking time. How do you guys deal with this?
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>>61375127
that the last bit is awkward and uncomfortable by design doesn't omit that it's still awkward and uncomfortable
I say this as somebody that loves the PT. And as someone that's also mostly underwhelmed by Lanter's Anakin portrayal the decision to have him a lot less spaghetti-droppy but a lot more batshit insane any time Padme showed up was a good one.
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>>61375129
Get boosts, have skilled assistance, and get talents/equipment that help you spend the advantage.
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>>61375127
>autistic
Nah, she was just a serious person.
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Shouldn’t stripmining a single planetoid give enough materials to last ages? Rather odd that there isn’t a single post-scarcity civilization in the Star Wars galaxy, it’s almost as if George just wanted to make an adventure saga in space and thus scale does not matter but it should ofc be consistent.
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>>61375159
>as someone that's also mostly underwhelmed by Lanter's Anakin portrayal
As am I.
>the decision to have him a lot less spaghetti-droppy but a lot more batshit insane any time Padme showed up was a good one.
Don't really agree. Filoni mishandles their relationship. Padme would not put their relationship on hold.
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>>61375189
The empire is fairly often shown as consuming whole sectors of resources and it not being nearly enough for the eternally hungry war machine
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>>61375189
This is an entire galaxy that has largely had FTL for tens of thousands of years.
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>>61375061
>Empire which was smaller than the Republic
wait, is that true? why? unlike the Republic, the Empire seem to have been actively expanding its territory

>>61375084
>If the FO's standing fleet really is what's shown in TLJ and not a whole lot more it's not the most outlandish thing I guess?
yes but what if they didn't make starkiller and all that material and manpower would go into conventional weapons. this would be the optimal solution unless the cost of building a fleet big enough to destroy the republic fleet was higher than building a planet sized superweapon

>>61375122
but a safe port solves this problem. jump into the orbit of coruscant or corelia or mon cala and murder the shit out of pizza slices with the help of planetary defences and local fleets. it won't be possible only if the first order is doing what Rey says it's doing.
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>>61375241
Snoke had vision.
You have graphs.
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TCW MOVIE 10TH ANNIVERSARY STREAM LADS

IT SUCKS BUT WHO CARES

https://www.rabb.it/events/5b55ffb51afea02c94b43023
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>>61375241
>unless the cost of building a fleet big enough to destroy the republic fleet was higher than building a planet sized superweapon
Some portion of the ground work was laid out by the Empire, but the extent of this is not fully laid out.

There is a real chance it cost much less.

>>61375255
>rabb.it
I hate this service
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>>61375112
Representative democracy derives its legitimacy from popular will; you (your electoral district) freely chooses someone to represent your interests in the wider political system. If the elected representative then proceeds to use his power to further his own goals instead of the goals of his constituents he has betrayed this social contract. If he is an outlier, a lone bad actor, this is a crisis for the legitimacy of the system. If and only if there are mechanisms in place to hold him accountable for his actions does the system preserve its legitimacy as an instrument of popular will. If his actions are just business as usual, which is what they would have to be for a majority/significant minority of the New Republic senate to be bribed into supporting the First Order, then the system itself has failed. The democratic organs have no legitimacy, because they are not an instrument of popular will. And if the premier democracy of the Star Wars galaxy, the New Republic, is illegitimate there is zero reason to believe any of the other ones are any more legitimate. This means the concept of democracy in the Star Wars universe is not legitimate, since it never permits the citizens to exert their will.
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>>61375165
But sometimes (most of the time, in fact) you just need to succeed.
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why was it called the first order anyway?
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>>61375282
Because the first order of business is shooting you for asking silly questions
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>>61375195
I feel if that were the case he wouldn't have immediately jumped to YOU'RE WITH OBI REE at the end of rots
Clone Wars recontextualizes it as a lot more drama under the hood than just Annie and Sheev's Wild Ride which I quite like personally. I don't think it undermines the overarching relationship particularly.
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>>61375269
>And if the premier democracy of the Star Wars galaxy, the New Republic, is illegitimate there is zero reason to believe any of the other ones are any more legitimate. This means the concept of democracy in the Star Wars universe is not legitimate, since it never permits the citizens to exert their will.
This is the part of your jump in logic I'm not getting anon.
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>>61375269
or maybe retarded republic was just retarded, if the same people who approved demilitarization also wrote the constitution it's not impossible they just assumed everyone will be just and happy to serve the society and didn't account for a possibility of something going wrong

no reason to extrapolate it beyond the new republic
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>>61375269
>don't uptake car correctly
>it bursts into flames
>'the concept of wheeled vehicles has failed'
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>>61375311
You only have two democracies, the Old Republic (pre-Empire Republic) and the New Republic. The Old one was famous for corruption and inefficiency. If the New one is no better despite having had the opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the past, and just like the previous one is swept into the dustbin of history by Stronk Fascists, then the narrative has just denounced the concept of democracy itself. Or do you have some third example of a democratic society in Star Wars that is not absolute dog shit, rampant with corruption and handily defeated by power hungry wannabe dictators?
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>>61375304
Disagree. Anakin becoming detacted from reality was the point of his paranoia.
The Padme who was there for him after he slaughtered a whole village of savages is not the same Padme who would put a hold on their marriage because Anakin tried to beat up her ex for hitting on her.
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>>61375421
>The Old one was famous for corruption and inefficiency

The Old Republic was known mainly for a thousand years of peace and prosperity.
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>>61375421
>third example of a democratic society in Star Wars that is not absolute dog shit, rampant with corruption and handily defeated by power hungry wannabe dictators?
The Legends New Republic? Whilst corruption was still a thing it wasn't crippling as it was in the other two examples, they actually beat the Empire to the point that based Pelleaon sued for peace and survived in some form or anther until the very end of the Legends canon.
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>>61375519
Yes, but the Legends New Republic does not exist in the Nu-Canon. This is why this is specifically a Nu-Canon problem. In the Nu-Canon you can apply all of the communist memes ("True Democracy has never been tried in Star Wars") but for democracy instead.




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