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>>61375528
oh yes
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Third for the true hive of scum and villainy
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>>61375528
>>61375556
>>61375573
>laughs in Corellian
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>facistic central powers are wrong
>democracies are corrupt failures
>corporate conglomerates are strong
Disney is turning Star Wars into propaganda for the dismantling of society and forming a corporatist dystopia where they are free to do whatever they want with no regulation
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5th for dark empire is shit
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>>61375593
Not Disney, the pro-democracy libruls writing for them. And they're doing so completely on accident, because they wanted to force a do-over of Rebels versus Empire.
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>>61375593
As much as enjoy a good joke the fascist and corporate elements are still routinely portrayed as bad and undesirable
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>>61375582
lovely place
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>>61375607
*is the shit
>>61375624
>Mouse Wars
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>>61375624
That is also the peak of Imperial power, EU corellia under the Empire was not a super great place to be IIRC
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>>61375593
these are the posts we get fewer of when we don't name it star wars general
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>>61375613
It is a case of Americans (which is what Disney writers are), in their modern reduced state, lacking the power to create even a fictional well functioning government.
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>>61375633
steam powered spaceships.
and this guy.
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>>61375666
Damn satan, you are hitting those nails hard today.
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>>61375688
His voice was really annoying in the radio dramatization
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>>61375647
>EU corellia under the Empire was not a super great place to be
What EU planet under the Empire was?
>>61375688
I know, it's pretty great.
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>>61375730
>What EU planet under the Empire was?
Chandrilla was pretty alright since the Empire lacked the guts to commit to reconquering it. Yes there is that one level in Rogue Squadron but that's not important
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>>61375730
>What EU planet under the Empire was?
I would guess planets that were plagued by pirates. I imagine that The Empire would be more proactive about hunting them down
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>>61375720
His existence is really annoying in the everything
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Reminder that Lucas was being more truthful about having the PT at least mostly mapped out when making the OT than some would have you believe.
This is Anakin thinking about Padme (possibly not named Padme yet of course) in his isolation chamber, circa 1979-1980.
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>>61375593
Let me fix that for you
>corporate conglomerates seek out self-enrichment and pleasure to the extent they either corrupt democracies into inefficiency and discontent, or sell their own independence and liberty to strong governments
>corporations also have no strong sense of direction besides more profit.
The corporations under the Republic could handle the status quo, but stagnated due the corruption they encouraged. After the clone wars the banks were all owned/controlled by Palpatine, and military law was still widespread, so all corporations cowered before the Empire and either sold out to its military or were crushed by new regulations. The shadow council of corporations behind the separatists were all totally obedient to Palpatine, showing how spineless they were.

The form of government that seems to be most favored in-universe is an enlightened constitutional monarchy. Padme was technically just a teenage president, not a real queen, but the Duchess Satine of Mandalore, and Princess Leia of Alderaan were all powerful women from royal families leading their people to a fairly democratic form of government. They were all monarchs, but shared power with a representative democracy, or at least Padme and Satine did while Leia keeps getting involved in military groups. I wonder why George favored them so much. Maybe he fell in love with Queen Lizzie and expressed it as best he could.

There's also the Hapans as an example of a female led monarchy, I guess, but they weren't perfect and did never appeared in movies or on tv.
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>>61375957
I don't think Mandalore is treated any better that the Republic, you have corruption in the government (Almec, Vizsla), ineffectiveness when a crisis arises, although this time not because democracy but because pacifism, followed shortly by a crash dive into chaos and civil war.
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>seeing Mandalore in live action in Favreau's TV show
HYPE
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>>61376189
>post-RotJ era
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>>61375957
>>61376103
Honestly I feel like one of SW's strong suits is that it never fully commits to any stance on what political model is "right" beyond "fascism is bad".

Even the "enlightened constitutional monarchies" were inevitably defeated - its not like Satine was ultimately that successful, and as soon as Alderaan got punked Leia's position was essentially gone - she made it where she did afterwards based on her abilities as much as her former nobility.

>>61376189
>"r-rated" Star Wars
>Explicitly compared to Game of Thrones in its pitch
>About Mandalore, the planet nobody can agree on how it should be portrayed, or what it's history is, or how its people should be

I hate to break it to you, but it's probably going to be unnecessarily grim and edgy and generally bad.
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What's the difference between AoR, EotE, and FaD? Is it just settings and other flavor stuff? Do I just need one or are all three of them good?
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>>61376264
>Is it just settings and other flavor stuff?
Basically. They have different classes and such, but they're all cross-compatible.

>Do I just need one or are all three of them good?
Just one. But, as above, they work together if you really want to run X in your Y game.
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>>61375593
You know you can just dislike the Disney SW movies without turning into a conspiracy theorist, right?
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>>61376189
Should have been a cartoon about Pre Vizla just so we could have gotten more of that golden voice.
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>>61376286
It's a joke.
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>>61375492
I realized after my first 2.0 game with TIE Swarm that I was super used to flying FO Swarms that had no howlrunner- I kept getting Howlrunner into positions where the rest of the swarm needed her to move first.

Does anyone have any tips for keeping your different-PS swarm moving and not bumping?
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>>61376286
It is not a conspiracy theory, it is interrogating the movies for their philosophical views. Lucas' fascination with the technologically inferior North Vietnamese defeating the US military in the Vietnam War is a well known source of inspiration for Star Wars. It is not unreasonable to ask what ideas form the foundation of the Star Wars written by his successors.
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>>61376351
Not much that they meant to write in, that's for damn sure.
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>>61376375
Death of the author. Just because they did not intend to say much does not mean they did not accidentally state something.
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>>61375593
Star Wars shits on Capitalism at every turn dude, what are you talking about?
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>>61376252
>unnecessarily grim and edgy
I've never had a problem with this. It's some kind of new age internet hangup.
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>>61376189
Mandalore plot in Rebels was atrociously bad. There is 99% chance that a show about Mandos being warriors will end up as a Traviss-style wankfest. And to make things worse it's post-RotJ.

Sorry, I just can't see how it could go right.
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>>61376464
I still laugh at how Lucas pretty much made the neutral and peaceful mandalore destroyed by Traviss-style egghead mandos before they got fucked by a Sith.
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>>61376417
>shits on Capitalism at every turn
>One of the biggest merchandise machines on the planet
>Features a faction of wrist-rocketing space capitalists who almost always look cool as hell even when their leaders act like Saturday morning cartoon villains
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>>61376500
>egghead
Who's an egghead, eggface!?
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>>61376500
Eh, I'd say TCW Death Watch is Mando warriors done right, far cry from Travis erotic fantasies. Competent but not superhuman, there is no turbomasculinity, no self-righteousness, a bit of muh honour and muh traditions but that's necessary, and no random madoa insterted into every sentence. It certainly helps that they are the bad guys.

Traviss Mandos would just go to Satine and kick her pacifist ass while explaining what voeah'he'anr'r (sorry, no word in basic can fully encapsulate the meaning of this term, it would require three pages of explanation) means for a true madalorian and how jedi are evil facists, and it would be presented as them being true heroes. Vizsla must scheme, accept shady alliances, double cross, and in the end he gets fucked.
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Vulture Droid Pilot Upgrade for Xwing when?

Also after rewatch, TCW movie isnt actually that bad To be honest, I enjoyed it
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>>61376727
Traviss Mandos a shit.
Filoni Mandos a shit.
Comics Mandos a best.
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Lorelet here. What would be a good story for a low-level game that takes place on Jakku, TFA-era? I was thinking of having the party search for something on a crashed star destroyer but go up against another group looking for the same thing.
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>>61376793
Yeah, it's totally watchable. It's just really disappointing when you go to the theater 3 years after RotS blew your mind and get 4 iffy TV episodes stuck together.
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>>61376727
>explaining what voeah'he'anr'r (sorry, no word in basic can encapsulate the meaning of this term, it would require three pages of explanation)

HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO TRUE
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>>61376875
Plot twist: whatever the two parties were looking for, someone else grabbed it like twenty years ago because those hulks have been sitting there for thirtysomething years.
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>>61376727
>>61376872
Traviss' Mandalorians didn't get bad until the third Republic Commando book/Legacy of the Force, really.
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>>61376872
I'm still holding out hope for a day when Eric Nylund gets called in to write a Mando/RepCom story. It would be the sweetest form of pottery, seeing as Traviss got sent to muck about with Halo's lore.
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>>61376894
Any other lore tidbits on Jakku besides "it's a shittier Tatooine with a bunch of Empire trash on it"?
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>>61377025
Nope, that's literally all we know about it
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>>61376903
Even then, they're not that bad. People get their panties in a bunch because they don't suck Jedi dick all the time. You know, the culture that hates Jedi and has lost to them in half a dozen wars over the years. Of course they're going to shit on the Jedi.

The actual Jedi in the RC books are still portrayed sympathetically, even the hardliners like Zey.
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Lando confirmed for IX...

Think we'll see our boi Shriv too?

SHRIV FOR XWING WHEN?
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>>61377229
No chance. He's an alien. Shriv only exists because of toxic white dudes in the games industry. Every minute given to him in Episode IX would be a minute taken away from representation of women and/or PoC.
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>>61377229
>keep subconsciously drifting into some bastardization of Shriv and Cad Bane when I speak IC in my current game
For a species with only two reps of note that look barely a step up from generic ayys duros really are a best.
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>>61377463
Their genericness prevents them from being typecast like other species (e.g. "all Hutts are crime bosses"), meaning they can essentially fill any role.
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>>61377516
Reminds me of Ambush Bug.
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>>61377463
>>61377516
I've always used duros for pretty much all of my generic "honest spacer" NPCs, like the guy in the next docking bay over who actually makes an honest living using his light freighter for rush replacement part deliveries for CEC, or the bulk freighter crew just trying to have a quiet beer in the next booth over when the PCs try and start a fight, characters like that
It also makes running into a criminal duros not something that the PCs guess right off the bat
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>>61375593
>he thinks TLJ portrayed rich corporate Conglomerates as a good thing
This is a worse job watching a movie than the “Empire was good” posters.
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>>61377670
strong=/=good
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>>61375624
Isn’t that also a relative slum versus the center of the republic?
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>>61376264
They all have a character motivation mechanic that is distinct. IMO EotE has the weakest rules for it by far.
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I actually really liked Corellia in Solo. Look at the horizon line, I like all those low buildings. Feels like a prequel planet (aka not an OT reskin).
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>>61377675
Then how is it presenting conglomerates as needing no regulation when the movie runs contrary to it? It basically says the Empire’s robber barons are now operating independently in the corporate landscape with little reprocussions, and the next generation of good guys are the current child laborers.
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>>61377144
It's the LotF Mandos people hate the most.

Zey was overwhelmed and in constant moral crisis ordering blackops missions, him not being emotionally centered enough to argue with Kal and Vau when they sassed him is understandable.

It's not forgivable in LotF where Boba's gang are shittalking Jaina freakin Solo without sufficient verbal backhanding.
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>>61376727
In her clone war era stuff Traviss portrayed most of the Mandos as grumbling old men living innawoods or off-planet.

I personally had more issues with the totally glassed sand surface retconning both the comics and Traviss.

I liked the partial retcon in the Bounty Hunter Code handbook thing that had only one continent on mandalore glassed and had the "True" Mandalorians just innawoodsing in the other parts of the world since they really only maintained a few part time homes on planet anyway.
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Gravit-8 Prototype
Dam -, Crit 6, Medium, Enc. 8, HP 1, 12,000 credits, Rarity 9
Knockdown, Ensnare 3, Cumbersome 4

An incredibly unconventional weapon that contains a dual mechanism of a technically man-portable tractor beam and repulsor generator. Meant more for easy hauling of heavy materials, it is repurposed as an versatile battlefield manipulator.
A basic success does not deal damage, but allows the user to harmlessly move a target (other than the user) of silhouette 1 or smaller within range to any other space within Short range of it. Two additional successes can be spent to move it another Short distance.
If wired into a sufficiently great power source (usually a Hard Mechanics action), its range extends to Long, it can be used against targets of silhouette 3 or smaller, and it can hurl targets in engaged range using a ranged combat check upgraded twice, dealing 10 times their silhouette in damage to both colliding objects.
This weapon ignores basic defense, but gains setbacks equal to the targets ranks in Coordination or Athletics. The Ensnare quality can only be used in Engaged range, though it can be applied after the target is moved.

I have no clue about deep lore, but what do you think about the balance?
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>>61377964
When it came to the TCW retcon, my issue was more that they retconned the Mandalorians into yet another pseudo-pacifistic human culture, which we had already seen in Alderaan, Chandrila, and Naboo; there really didn't need to be another one.

At least the Traviss Mandalorians were fairly unique to the setting, even if she really started mishandling them towards the end.
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>>61376872
Mandorkians > Mandalorians
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>>61377989
Why is moving tied to successes instead of advantage like activating other weapon qualities?
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>>61378010
Mandalore isn't like those other planets though, they still have their history of war with the Jedi.
The Naboo never warred with anyone, not even the Gungans.
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>>61378026
Because that's the innate success state of the action: things being moved. More successes mean more potential movement, rather than more damage.
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>>61378010
Well early Traviss mandalorians were pretty much just a cross between Hayden Blackman's Jaster faction from open Seasons and Fenn Shysha's boys from the Marvel comics. with bits of Canderous, Batman, Big Boss, and Clint Eastwood thrown in.
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>>61378010
They're only partially pacifistic and a big message of the entire mando arc was that going full pacifist AND going full murderhobo weren't the ways to run a state
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>>61378086
>>61377964
>>61377898
>>61376903
Yet another thing LotF ruined.
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>>61378111
I'm told it was botched, but was Jacen's fall more or less stupid than NuJacen's fall?
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>>61378146
Less. By like, a lot.
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>>61378050
Sure, but the result was still something we've seen several times before.

>>61378086
For sure, but she did a decent job merging the ideas together. You know, before she went off the deep end.

>>61378107
The finale of the Mandalore arc is what led me to be a bit more okay with it, because it left the implication that the Mandalorians were returning to their warrior culture routes, which I thought was interesting.
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Both of these lists are exactly 200 points. Which one wins?
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>>61378197
>but the result was still something we've seen several times before.
Not really, because again, there's nothing like the Death Watch on Naboo.
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>>61378258
Radical Gungan terrorists when?
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>>61378341
Weesa make make yousa bombad suicide bomber.
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>>61378146
Jacen's fall is... complicated, mainly because each of the three authors wanted to handle it differently.

His fall was largely centered around fearing that the galaxy wouldn't be safe enough for his daughter, and he was tricked into the idea that the dark side is not inherently an evil path by Lumiya, particularly through her apparent desire to avoid unnecessary conflict and the story of Darth Vectivus (which I still believe was just her lying to Jacen, but he was later canonized to being a real "good guy" Sith).

Jacen's belief that the galaxy was too dangerous was exacerbated by the still-inexplicable arrangement of Thracken Sal-Solo leading the Five Worlds, but ignoring that and just looking at the political climate, it is somewhat understandable for him to see that, especially when taken into account the issues with stability the New Republic had prior to the formation of the Galactic Alliance.

Fate of the Jedi even does a soft retcon and explains that part of the reason why Jacen ended up falling came from his severe torture at the hands of the Yuuzhan Vong, combined with Vergere getting into his head. I say "soft retcon" because although that history was established in NJO, it was hardly mentioned in LotF.

The big problem with Jacen's fall is his fanboyism over his obviously evil grandfather and how rushed it became half-way through the series. His subplot in politically and legally maneuvering himself into becoming dictator of the Galactic Alliance was actually one of the few decently-handled plots. But after that, he basically dropped all pretense and began going Full Edgelord at the drop of a hat. You could argue, "Well, the dark side does that," and you're right, but it was more like a switch flipped in his brain than a gradual change; there wasn't a lot of foreshadowing outside his killing of Mara---but that can at least be justified as self-defense.

Con't
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>>61376903
>>61376872
>>61376727

Didn't Read the RC Books, How bad were the Mandalorians were Portrayed?
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>>61378353
>Jacen fell for the "Tale of Darth So and So the Adjective" tactic
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>>61378420
That technique is the mark of a true Sith Master.
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>>61378420
>Bastilla, did I ever tell you the story of Darth Lightning, the Torturous?
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>>61378428
>Palpatine's Sith holocron has several chapters of the tactic on it
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Sup /swg/, I found I've got access to book scanners. What are the current SWRPG FFG scans that are out there that you think could be better, and what is missing from them? Trying to make a list of what I should get to first. Can't for sure promise I'll do any of them, but I can try.
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Will episode 9 bring back Coruscant?
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>>61378353
Continuing...

A big issue that derives from Jacen's fall is that he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did if everyone around him---people experienced in fighting Sith and Dark Jedi like Luke, Mara, Jaina, Leia, and many more---didn't try and stop him earlier. The guy was walking around in a black cloak and armor around book three IIRC, and Leia even made the Vader likeness connection pretty early on, but no one really did anything about it.

If nothing else, one of the big things that holds Jacen's fall over Ben's is that we actually know how and why Jacen fell, but Ben is largely left up in the air. All we knew is Snoke somehow started corrupting Ben at a young age and Luke's snap decision to nearly kill him is what turned him fully over---and for some reason, that led to Ben murdering everyone in the school that didn't side with him.

Also, side-rant: Jacen being the legal dictator of the Galactic Alliance and the Second Galactic Civil War could have been an interesting new status quo to set future stories in, but the fact that nearly all plot threads were ended within the nine book series is one of many issues with LotF.

tl;dr Both Jacen and Ben's falls to the dark side have issues with characters around them not acting as they should (Jacen's entire family, Luke nearly murdering Ben out of fear), and Jacen's fall starts off surprisingly decent, but falls into borderline Saturday Morning Cartoon Villainism because the authors wanted to rush the story along, whereas Kylo Ren's big issue is that we basically still have no real details on why he fell.
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>>61378476
yeah, its gonna be like The battle of endor only the resistance wins the battle with a handfull of fighters vs 1st Order Capital ships + dreadnaughts
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>>61378481
The fact he was galavanting around Coruscant with his GAG bully boys like Vader did with the 501st should have been a red flag. Wasn't he supported by a decent portion of the GA military?
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>>61378476
>>61378492
I honestly think it might, but only because JJ has no original ideas and the finale of Return of The Jedi was originally set on Coruscant.
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>>61378361

Initially it's not a problem, but Traviss exaggerates herself I guess as she projected more and more of her ideals onto the culture. They're militant and traditionalist, but one of their traditions is fucking anybody can be a mando, so they have loads of perfectly adopted orphans and mandaboos joining all the time. Everything they make is also a weapon of some kind, and all their houses (at least where REAL Traviss mandos live, innawoods) are designed to be easily abandoned if attacked but also super-safe. Mandalorian craftsmanship is super awesome and nobody else can do it, and when REAL beskar is folded 1000 times it's immune to lightsabers. One of their rules is you have to fight for the Mandalore, but somehow they're treated as like wonderful and inclusive and when they have to fight it's honorable, but the Jedi are child-stealers running a slave army, maybe because the Mandos' six rules are poetic to Traviss or something.

It's not really as bad as some people think, it's just really preachy sometime. They're a perfect warrior culture but also they can just fuck off war and farm if nobody is yelling at them to war, and they're still the best at war even if they've just been plowing the space fields for the last 20 years - because if you're JUST a space viking than you're Death Watch and super evil, because you didn't listen to Jaster Mereel (even though the Supercommando Codex is only like 50 years old by the Clone Wars, though that's probably because that's Open Seasons to Traviss took her start point and ran into the endzone with it).
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>>61378420

One of the themes were the parallels between Jacen and Grandpappy, but also Jacen was super arrogant from his ascetic studies and thought he was too cool for school
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>>61378481
based quality post poster
Sounds like a muddled redo of Anakin's fall, honestly.
Though I agree, there's still more there than with Kylo.
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>>61375624
>Coruscant
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>>61378545
CGI>practical effects
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>>61377229

Man shriv and the early TIE sequences are the only parts I liked about that game
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>>61378492
>The moment where Episode IX has no "Fleets Arrive" moment
>No Outer Rim Allies
>No Hondo and Lando's smuggler and pirates
>No Neo-CIS battle groups
>No /ourguy/ Shriv and Resistance cells
>No Good Guy imperial remnant back up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m-vRZnUFxg

You're right it's going to be an episode VI rehash just because it's the most expedient way for them to end the ST.
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>>61378544
Yeah, the thing about LotF is that the authors were looking to do some kind of Clone Wars 2.0, going so far as to name the opposition to the GA as the Confederation.

Also, if it isn't obvious, I get kind of autistic whenever LotF comes up.
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>>61378592
or Worse Ray with the use of the force opened a black hole and killed the 1st order fleet or goes Starkiller route

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_aOR6H9h0I
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>>61378462
Cyphers and Masks is due out in less than a week, so definitely do that when you get the chance.
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>>61378592
>Shriv died in one of those blown up escape transports on the way down to Krait.
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Why does TCW show the council chamber in the wrong spire?
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>>61378746
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>>61378739
He and Zay were off trying to make contact with the Resistance's allies.
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>>61378746
>>61378758
maybe they have more than one chamber? not like they dont have enough space for magical monks.
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>>61378592
oh no disney going for the money instead of listening to some neckbeards on an imageboard, what a twist
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>>61378787
but
>>61378476
is what the center spire is.
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>>61378462
The scans for endless vigil, dawn of rebellion, and disciples of harmony are just not usable
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Any thoughts on Traviss' adaption of the TCW movie?
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>>61378935
Kommissar Kettch the famished only has it in literally raw .txt so i have no way to comfortably read it.
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>>61378462

Seconding >>61378896 , those three pdfs are so difficult to work with, they're just blurry photos of pages.

Those 3 are most important, but if you need more also do Ghost of Dathomir, it's scan sucks. And there are probably some others from AoR and EoE that need it too that I've never checked.
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Are there any other wars that used clone armies? Or was it just the clone war itself.
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>>61379439
>And I must say, one of the finest we've ever created
Someone was buying clone armies before the clone wars, so yes.
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>>61379461
If I were to speculate, those orders were probably for rich fucks that wanted replacement body parts and or to do brain transplants.
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>>61379495
He was talking about clone armies, not just clones.
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>>61378935
adaption?
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>>61379520
Right, and I was saying that the kaminoains may not have sold armies before, but instead smaller numbers of clones.
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>>61379439
>>61379461
>>61379495
That's a separate kind of order that they also filled.

Also didn't they make the Leech Legion for the Unknown Regions?

And they made armies of slave workers at least, for work in droid-damaging environments.
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>>61379539
bruh
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>>61379539
>Literally says "one of the finest clone armies we created"
>"but they may not have sold armies"

You enjoy being mentally challenged, don't you?
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>>61379594
okay aotC is the only one I don't rewatch on a semi-regular basis I confess
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>>61379605
The other guy you replied to quoted the film and you still said they didn't make armies, friend.
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>>61379634
I missed the part that he directly quoted the film

I'M NOT SMART DON'T BULLY ME
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This literally made my day
So much stuff that can be used for games is literally wookie lifeday when you're forever GM

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/8/10/rise-of-the-separatists/
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>>61379679
Justice is sweet. The ST is so shit that every division of Lucasfilm/licensing is crawling back to the PT.
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>>61379679
I've been toying with the idea of a Separatist Crisis period game where the PCs are Jedi and members of the Judicial Forces attempting to subvert the Separatist Movement. I think it'd be fun, since it could involve anything from diplomacy to sabotage. Eventually I'd have it move into the actual outbreak of the Clone Wars.

Hoping this book will help with that, especially if it has any Judicial Forces material, since there's so little information on them.
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>>61378935
I remember reading it along time ago and thinking back now it was pretty good
Rex has a lot of great moments, like one scene where he was commenting to himself about how clones communicate silently in their helmets but the droids speak out loud and see's the irony saying something along the lines of;
>this war is about making men more like machines and machines more like men

Karen gets a bad rep sometimes, for good reasons mind you, but at the end of the day she's a pretty decent writer
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>>61378658
Should I get to Cyphers and Masks first before picking up the older ones?

>>61378896
I agree that Endless Vigil and Disciples of Harmony are pretty illegible, but Dawn of Rebellion, while not great seems pretty legible. I have it on my list, but after the former two.

>>61379428
>Ghost of Dathomir
A better scan exists (not made by me), but it's not in the mediafire link in the pastebin. It's a proper scan, night and day better than the one you probably have, so I've got to do anything.

https://anonfile.com/g8xfK3ffbe/Ghost_of_Dathmor_-_Adventure.pdf


Keep the suggestions coming, want to make a tier list.

Again no promises, but have hope.
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>>61379752
The copy of forged in battle is missing the duty page. The only one that is bad is No disintigrations.

Also you are a blessed anon for giving that link
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>>61379738
>>this war is about making men more like machines and machines more like men
that's.... actually a really neat quote
are you sure traviss wrote that?
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>>61379716
The ST ain't got any material, besides we're role players and plastic mini's fans here so we just gloss over the movies/cartoons for the most part.
Here we can totally have players fighting space whales, xwings vs salt and pepper shakers, fleet warfare between 3 star destroyers and a 10" black rubber thing someone found in their wifes bedside drawer.

>>61379734
Shit you know how it is, any place, equipment, NPC or vehicle you don't have to detail is basically a sanity saver
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>>61379890
What kinda material could we make up for the ST?
I was thinking of specialized FO troopers for certain planets, like how the Empire has all different kinds of troopers
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>>61378255
So Fen can 1v1 a naked Guri any day (Guri NEEDS advanced Sensors) but a BS Enforcer has a massive positioning advantage over the Zealous Recruit.

Guri+ 2 Assassin or something would likely be better, so i'd bet on 3Zeal Fenn in this matchup.
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>>61379935
Plenty ships, planets, small arms, those big gun things they drag around, NPC's...
The NR side of things is very bereft of much material at all so it'd be slim pickings to make much for them, they mostly got evaporated by the time of the 2nd movie so kind of have to wait until some more material pops out.
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>>61379935
FO advancements of more ships. The /fo is an /ln, the /sf is kind of a Bomber but not really, the Silencer is a Squint, Upsilon is your Lambda... but that still leaves about a billion flavors of TIE not yet touched up by FO engineers.
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>>61380189
I mean why would you do exactly the thing that the st is most criticized about design wise by copying all the old ot designs
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>>61380677
Didn't say copy - the Silencer is a fair bit different from the Interceptor, being much larger with a different silhouette. Just, it's established the FO is mostly working with old Imperial surplus and tech and their designs are evolutions of the Imperial designs
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>>61380721
well then i guess the place to start would be with whatever pieces the fo is missing and go from there.
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>>61380721
>evolutions
JJ pls
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>>61380767
The /fo is just a touched-up /ln, nobody's denying that.

TLJ has those brief glimpses at Bombers and Interceptors in the arms dealer yacht suggesting the FO has some variant of them that they're buying.
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>>61380759
ok looking at it their biggest gaps seem to be their fighters so i suppose we would have to ask whether something like a gunship or a stealth fighter would be better.
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>>61380767
Question- why does JJ have a career? Why did any critic give TFA a positive review? Why did casual audiences like it, at least at first?
How do I live on a planet where TFA is seen as anything other that a despicable piece of shit that's completely antithetical to Star Wars?

Also why does Mike Stoklasa refuse to see that the ST has thinner character writing than the PT ever did?
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>>61379972
Yeah, that's the tricky part. The Enforcers can style on the Recruits, but Fenn can style on Guri.

If one player gets the initial advantage and is able to start overlapping arcs or blocking, it would swing, so it's hard to say.
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>>61380767
>white solar panels
>>61380827
>Also why does Mike Stoklasa refuse to see that the ST has thinner character writing than the PT ever did?
Because that would require admitting he made the wrong call about Abrams.
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>>61380800
okay since i cant sleep i actually whent and spent a couple minutes in gimp to show the kind of shitty upgraded version of an imp ship that the fo might field. basically i just added some kibble to the gunship which badly done though it is is still more than jj did.
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>>61380827
Why is the only thing Star Wars fans seem to enjoy these days, is bitching about it?
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>>61380983
TLJ happened.
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>>61380983
4chan likes to bitch in general.

Whenever any lore thread about a franchise comes up, most anons would rather complain about the issues of it than focus on the parts they like and build from it, like Starcraft and Dragon Age. Yes, some franchises fuck up, but there's still good things in them, and ranting on a Chinese calligraphy board is not a constructive way to deal with it. Shit niggas, be creative take the things you like and make your own things from it.

Hell, I don't like the ST either, I'm just tired of the circlejerks that just spread negativity and derail threads.
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>>61380983
>Why is the only thing Star Wars fans seem to enjoy these days, is bitching about it?
I don't know about others, but for me it was when I found the Plinkett reviews/ found /tv/.
I had never seen such... insanity, something so at odds with what I thought was an obvious truth- the the PT and OT were both great, with all 5 besides Empire being put together at about the same quality level.
But it wasn't JUST that they didn't think that, it's that they think that the PT is so bad that they're good. It's like the inverse of reality is reality.
And then the ringleader of the circus embraced TFA, and it was like when Trump shills for Israel.

I truly believe that this man ruined Star Wars.
Simon Pegg made RLM famous. Simon Pegg is JJ's buttbuddy.
TFA is basically the anti-prequel.
It all fits.
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>>61375894
for a moment I thought that palpy had originally supposed to have nice dick sucking lips.
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>>61380966
heres the worlds shittiest redesign of in atmospheric tie. the saddest part is I actually can draw but jesus am i bad at paint.
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>Inb4 the sith has appeared again because some jerkoff sat masturbating for 30 years and now instantly has an empire. Nothing more nothing less literally running everything.
Prediction for future star wars content now and forever.
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>>61379935
>>61380189
feel like gthe pe\ople asking f\or f\o redesigns \of imperial ships sh\ould be c\ongtribugting as well

on an unrelated note did it go venator -> victory class -> imperial class and then stop? or am i missing one.
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So I was talking with a friend of mine about what he thinks would be an acceptable way to do a story about the Force being a universe in itself without entering Lucas "being the only one this invested in the minutiae of the Force's mechanics while everyone else just accepts it as chi and moves on" territory. He said it could work as something Jade Empire-esque, but it would have to be set in the distant past, either before the founding of the Jedi Order or right around the time of their founding as the Je'daii Order.
And I says to him, could it also work set in the distant future, as distant from the "present" of Star Wars as the founding of the Jedi is, with the events of the non-Mouse Wars movies having passed halfway into legend like the conquests of Xim the Despot? So far in the future that galactic civilization has waxed and waned several times, and we're in a period of a waxing phase where everything looks ancient and fantastical like, but distinct from, Tales of the Jedi?

Imagine:
>the King of Endor: an ancient, apparently inactive humanoid droid of unknown make and model seated in a branch stump throne
>it (he?) is missing one eye and one hand, covered in millennia of dirt, and surrounded by votive offerings
>the Ewoks say he came to them when their people were at the epicenter of a spectacular battle of good against evil, and ruled them wisely and justly for countless generations to follow
>then he said he would go into a deep sleep, from which he would wake when his people needed him most
>most of the few visitors to Endor just dismiss it as some cargo cult shenanigans
>those few visitors are wrong
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>>61375421
>>61375491
>>61375519
>>61375547
In Legends, the Old Republic varied from a theocracy, to a Roman Empire type of deal to the British Empire but without the King. It was never really a true democracy, even when it decentralized (and turned into space UN) because when it did, it ended up being controlled by planetary interests (and you don't have to be a democracy to be a member of the Republic, literally North Korea could join the Republic) and by megacorps.

No clue about how they'll handle the Old Republic in NuCanon outside of the Prequels.
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>>61375647
Great revisionism, but outside of the authoritarianism, Corellia thrived under the Empire and strong pockets of neo-Imperials remained even after it joined the NR.
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>>61378146

Less. And considering how many authors had to handle the character both before and after his fall and how his personality seemed to change every day of the week that's fucking saying something.
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>>61381328
>being the only one this invested in the minutiae of the Force's mechanics
Incorrect, since I exist.
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>>61381365
you cant fool me schrodinger, get back in your box
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>>61380827
Probably because the first half of the film is actually pretty decent.

Seriously the moment I saw starkiller base I thought "godfuckingdammit"

Until then though I was actually enjoying myself.
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>>61380827
>Why did casual audiences like it, at least at first?

The prequels were MOSTLY well received when they came out but got memed on before getting memed on was even really a thing. II was the only one people ever really regarded even slightly negatively on release and until like 2010 it was all basically good. There may have been some issues but mostly people remembered shit like Darth Maul or the Arena fight or the battle over Coruscant.

It was only when the prequels were over and you didn't have a ton of strong comics and games like KOTOR or Republic Commando holding the whole brand up anymore, and the big event novels like NJO had begun to peter out that Star Wars was considered to be fading again. This was also when SWTOR came out and was way worse than expected and basically every other game was getting cancelled. Combine that with shit like the Red Letter stuff and there was a fairly rapid shift over a year or two when suddenly everything was bad. There were some rumblings of a new series or new trilogy but none of that ever panned out because the hate made Lucas drop it all.

Disney bought the entire thing when anti-prequel meming was at it's peak and pushed OT nostalgia over anything to do with the actual last movies people had actually watched in theaters. The implication was very obviously that the prequels sucked and lets get back to REAL Star Wars and people who were already being told what they believed just went along with it.

It was just once they had time to actually digest the film that they realized this thing they'd been told to get jazzed for wasn't very good. TLJ tried to keep the same hype train going but had no shelf life because people caught on, hence it's steep week over week drop and shit foreign numbers. By the time Solo came out the hype train had ground to a screeching halt. The only ones acting like it didn't are the hosts and reps working directly with Lucasfilm.
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>>61378353
>>61378481
At least they TRIED to provide some sort of an explanation. Did it work? Ehh..... really debatable especially with how rushed the whole thing was as qualityanon mentioned. But it was much better of a story than pic related.
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>>61381087
You thought right. That's how Ani's mind sees Palpy. Anakin and Sheev were lovers. The murder of Padme was all for the insurance money to pay for their lava lake cottage. The third panel is Ani seeing Padme as the witch she was.
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>>61381444

The big problem with Kylo Ren is essentially the same problem Disney has with basically all of it's inquisitors and even what Vader is like in every new piece of material.

Vader in both the OT and the Prequels was a character with dynamic motivations. He fights Obi-Wan to avenge his sense of pride when he could just order his dozens of men to fire on him. He confronts Luke because he wants to recapture something he lost years ago and has obvious resentment for the empire built around him. He won't fight the emperor out of fear and conditioning but rises above it in the end. In the prequels he's driven by this fear of loss and the constraints of the jedi code. Every action he takes he has a reason for taking it. That he uses the dark side just enhances those motivations.

Kylo Ren was manipulated by Snoke to be dark sided so Luke tried to fight him on instinct. What does that actually MEAN? Was Ben in the middle of some weird violent sex dream? Did he want to kill Luke but wasn't saying anything? Nobody fucking knows. It's an excuse for Luke to do something stupid so Ben could do something stupid and then be prevented from talking about it. It's basically equivalent to a low budget CW show like Arrow that gets written bit by bit instead of the motivation of some grand overarching character, which Vader wasn't always but Ren has no excuse not to be.

The Inquisitors are basically the same shit. The one or two with any motivation don't have any actual connection between that motivation and their actions. Their leader just wanted books or something but after one issue never picks up another one. The blind dude thinks Jedi fighting is evil so he decided to fight the Jedi. Now there's a red chick who likes fucking with people because ...???

Modern Star Wars is based on the idea that you need a villain first and you can figure out the hows and why's in six months to two years in a totally different thing.
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>>61381564

In fact I'd throw down the gauntlet and say that not only is Kylo Ren a worse villain than Vader. Kylo Ren is a worse villain than literally anybody in KOTOR. I don't mean he's worse than Revan who had some motivation involving a war he had to fight and then went crazy. I mean he's worse than Lucien from the spinoff comics who has an entire arc about blindly trusting people he shouldn't and a fall to darkness rooted in his own self doubt. He's worse than Kreia who had her own motivations mostly communicated through unskippable monologues. He's fucking worse than Nihlus, a man who literally never speaks english.
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>>61381564
>The blind dude thinks Jedi fighting is evil so he decided to fight the Jedi. Now there's a red chick who likes fucking with people because ...???
Wait where are these meme characters in?

>>61381588
I wouldn't say Kreia's a bad villain, its just that some fanboys like to constantly hype her up even though she wasn't really all that. She was a tired old woman who thought the Force was the reason why her life as a Jedi and then Sith went to shit.
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>>61381564
>Luke's instinct

For me that came off as his Dark side talking. Luke struggled with it in all sorts of other materials (Were talking EU here so I'm talking completely out of my ass) and to me that get reinforced by the fact that hes holding the saber with his false hand. The one Vader took, the one that when he was about to kill Vader he stopped to look at it and then Vader himself.

I still cant tell if that was a gem of a scene in what was otherwise largely a pile of shit or if I'm just struggling to find something to like about the movie
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>>61381622
It's very clearly meant to be Luke acting out of, you know, fear and anger that he wasn't as good at controlling his students as he thought he would be and that he's losing his nephew to the same bullshit his dad fell for. Luke's always had that conflict between his fear as someone pushed way out of his depth and his desire to do the right thing. And yeah, they cut to and focus on his artificial hand, I don't think that's an accident
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>>61381622
>>61381659
I just don't know that
1. I bought into him not internalizing the lesson he learned in RotJ
2. I bought into why he's done nothing but study the jedi and mope about how shit they were instead of trying to stop Kylo or Snoke or anything helpful at all
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>>61381692
Mark gave you, people like you, and himself an out: that's not Luke, that's Jake. Those actions and reactions are completely in-character for Jake.
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So, whats the verdict on Jyn Erso? I actually really liked her character, probably my favourite one of the new movies. Lot of people call her a Sue, but to be honest I find her a pretty likable character having more of an arc in one movie than others in several.
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>>61381749
I thought she was underdeveloped, but okay. I prefer Kyle and Jan, but I don't hate Jyn.
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>>61381749
Better than Rey, perfectly serviceable. Good performance.
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>>61381609
>Wait where are these meme characters in?

The new Vader run. It's fucking amazing how Soule can come up with an interesting concept or character and then completely fucking ruin it not even three pages later every god damn time.
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>>61381692
>1. I bought into him not internalizing the lesson he learned in RotJ

This is basically the crux of the issue. Luke already did this shit. For him to undo everything he learned, which was the stuff that literally made him a Jedi, is unsatisfying. Especially if we find it out through a fucking flashback.
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>>61381692
There was 40 years of time between Roj and this. That's alot of time for successes, failures and other events. Kylo could have just been the final straw where like decided he was better off not influencing events and that he only makes things worse.

I dunno I'm reaching here.

In a vain attempt to steer thread back to RPGs...

I'm gming a smuggling crew and while I've got my next story arc largely thought out I want to come up with more smuggler jobs for them. I've got some but itd be good to get outside ideas
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>>61381749

Jyn isn't Rogue One's problem. Rogue One's problem is that it tries to make Jyn into something she's really not and how her cast isn't really used properly.

The whole first hour of the film is about how Jyn is this violent, uncharismatic person. But then she bursts into high command and makes an impassioned speech and it moves EVERYONE into fighting for her.

At the same time her being violent and uncharismatic isn't really a big deal when like 80% of the cast is the same way. Cassian is a horrible foil to her because he's a team killing douche who acts like a total chode until her speech when suddenly they're best friends. Just like his boss ordered her father murdered but then when we see him after that scene he's smiling and laughing in his cockpit because it's five minutes from A New Hope and suddenly everyone has to shift into fun space adventure mode.

You need characters to contrast each other. If the good guys are barely the good guys then your hero being an amoral loser who won't fight fair doesn't really matter.
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>>61381787
>There was 40 years of time between Roj and this. That's alot of time for successes, failures and other events.

The thing is we saw another Luke who had it WAY fucking harder than NuLuke. EU Classic Luke had to deal with a literal half dozen of his students betraying him individually and had to train Jedi Knights using shit he scavenged from old ships and one ancient ass holocron. He had problems and he worked through them, even if it took him almost a fucking decade to even train anyone.

NuLuke had a literal perfect recreation of the entire jedi archives, thirty holocrons, all the training gear, and a perfect custom made academy literally handed to him all at once. He had none of the hardships Luke Classic went through.
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>>61381798
>If the good guys are barely the good guys then your hero being an amoral loser who won't fight fair doesn't really matter.
That is one of the things I actually liked. Granted they changes gears way too fast because it was just one movie and the RO story could have done with a bit more character development, but in the end you saw a bunch of normal schmucks getting roped into a war and resorting to the only thing they can to survive: Underhanded fighting, violence and murder. None of them, except maybe for Chirrut, had the luxury of being a Jedi or other type of super human who can afford to be 'good'.

Jyn is also more charismatic than Rey... not that that is hard to attain.
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>>61381826
Trust me man I'm right there with you. My head canon is he spent he spent 40 years doing all that EU shit and then this finally broke him the one he wanted to get right more than anything else before.

At least until some faggot makes a comic that says kylo was literally his first student or some shit and i neck myself
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>>61381867

The thing is that in ANH Han is the ONLY jaded character in that vein in the entire movie. Leia went through fucking torture and still had her ideals. Biggs signed up and was all smiles and sunshine. Shit even on Hoth, Dac was a god damn ball of optimistic sunshine up until the moment he died.

Even then it's fucking retarded to make literally every character like that. Why the fuck is Saw such a big deal if he's just doing the same shit the regular rebels were doing?

It's not even like it's consistent character writing. Luke apparently saw all this shit between movies but was perfectly happy to let it keep going even when innocent people get murdered in front of him.
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>>61381826
>a literal perfect recreation of the entire jedi archives, thirty holocrons, all the training gear, and a perfect custom made academy
Where's all this from? Clearly he found a temple at some point, he's got all those books, but since when did he have a full on perfect training academy? The flashbacks we see of his temple, it just looks like a big pile of rocks somewhere, not exactly the high-tech wonderland of the Jedi complex on Coruscant
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I havent played xwing yet but planning to get into it soon-

What exactly are the factions i can play? I know there are new order, resistance, rebellion and empire. But are they compatible in terms of making mix fleets? Playing New Order Tie Fighters alongside empire star fighters for example?

And if yes, could i play (even if lorewise it wouldnt make much sense) play rebellion alongside empire in one fleet?

Are there even any limits? What about the slave I and other Bounty Hunter ships (if there are any), can they be played on either faction?

Are there even factions? Can i choose to play some whole other faction, like the tyber zann consertium?
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>>61381768
Which issues? Because i'm not going to cut myself on the massive amounts of edge included in the Vader comics.
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>>61382102
There are current 5, soon to be 7, factions in X-Wing 2.0

Rebellion, Empire, First Order, Resistance, and the Scum faction (which covers things like Zann/the Black Suns/etc) all are formally announced and have ships available for order, though they don't actually release the 2.0 versions until later this year. We've also had it confirmed that we'll be getting Republic and CIS ships sometime next year, with the Sith Infiltrator and Delta Fighter being the only models previewed so far. In the 1st edition of the game, you could combine Rebels and Resistance or Empire and First Order, but in the 2nd Edition, every faction is distinct and can only be played with ships of the same faction.
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Rebellion, Empire, and to a lesser extent Scum are going to be the easiest to get into - they have the widest variety of ships already released, and the starter box gets you two basic TIEs and an X-Wing, with both the basic TIE Fighter and X-Wing being easy to use in actual, competitive lists thanks to the X-Wing having some really strong aces like Luke and Wedge and the TIE being really cheap points-wise and thus easy to use en-masse in a 'TIE Swarm'. Scum will also have some released ships with the first wave of 2.0, whereas First Order and Resistance ships are going to come later in the year in the second wave of releases.
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>>61382102
>But are they compatible in terms of making mix fleets? Playing New Order Tie Fighters alongside empire star fighters for example?

Can't in 2.0. Each faction must be played in itself. No Kylo Ren flying besides Darth Vader.

>Are there even any limits? What about the slave I and other Bounty Hunter ships (if there are any), can they be played on either faction?

Again, no. Each faction has a list of ships it has access to. Some specific ships have doubles in different factions (i.e. Y-Wing for both Scum and Rebels), but their pilots are different and the non-generic upgrades of one faction cannot be used by the other faction

>Are there even factions? Can i choose to play some whole other faction, like the tyber zann consertium?

Nope. Those smaller faction in SW universe are encompassed by the larger ones.
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>>61382238
There are currently 3 factions (only available for an extremely limited group of people, the game doesn't release for over a month), notEmpire and notRebels are coming in December, Republic and CIS in February.
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>>61382723
September's a month out, my dude. But yeah, those three factions will be the ones to get in on the ground floor of
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Am I the only Wan who wants the Obi-wan movie to be set inbetween 2-3, instead of 3-4?

Like, adapt a TCW Episode arc (Example, the first Mandalore Arc in Season 2) or write in a story in the Timeskip (with Cate Blanchett as Satine of Course)

I feel that a movie about Obi between 3-4 would be too boring, just him wandering the desert for 2 hours doing nothing special
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>>61380983

Because we can't look forward to anything new thanks to TLJ destroying the franchise. So we're left with looking back fondly at past stuff, debating/shitflinging the merits of the EU, or bitching about the sequels.
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>>61381256
My understanding is that the Victory was a development from the Acclamator Assault Ship, with the Imperial being the first true successor to the Venator. Two lines in parallel rather than the ISD being a straight 'upgrade' from the much smaller Victory line. It's just that imperial doctrine increasingly favored bigger, beefier ships rather than medium-sized escort cruisers like the VSD (which always seemed strange to me, since the VSD seems to pack a lot more point defense per pound and their primary opposition loved starfighter-heavy operations, but that's Tarkin Doctrine for you)
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>>61381787
>That's alot of time for successes, failures and other events. Kylo could have just been the final straw where like decided he was better off not influencing events and that he only makes things worse.

Let's assume for a moment that this was the final straw, even though we see none of that, just a single moment that destroys Luke's entire character. But maybe he went through some rough shit, who knows. He has a moment of weakness, thinks of killing Kylo, and this leads to Kylo destroying the Academy.

I straight up don't buy that Luke would then choose to exile himself away and just wait to die. That he would abandon his friends and family to the evil he had unleashed, when he knew full well the consequences of letting Darth Vader Mk. II running around the galaxy. New Luke is totally cool with his friends and family being killed, tortured or subjugated. That goes completely against his character at ANY point in his arc. Even when he gives into the Dark Side on the Death Star 2 and nearly kills Vader, he's doing that to PROTECT his sister, because Vader threatening his family is the thing that pushes him over the edge. Luke would never abandon a friend or family member. I don't care what happens over 40 years, you simply cannot change something that fundamental to a character. Feeling hopeless, feeling like he's a problem, sure, whatever. But not this. It. Doesn't. Fit.
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>>61380983
TLJ took the joy out of Star Wars. Only bitterness remains.
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>>61383065
Except Luke feels like he's the one who destroyed that family. He tried to kill Leia's son, after promising her Ben would be safe. It's established that Han and Leia were initially against Ben being trained, but Luke won them (mostly Leia) over because they trusted him to do right by their boy and they thought Ben could be a hero.

It's clear Luke loves his family but there's a lot of shame tied up in the fact that, from Luke's perspective, he's the reason Ben is what he is. Plus, you know, having to look Leia in the eye and go 'so, uh, I reconsidered right away but I did almost cut your boy in fucking half' is prooobably awkward brunch conversation.
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>>61383057
The Victory was, when it entered service, the beefy big ship. It is just that it was soon outclassed by even bigger, beefier Imperial class. It is not a change in doctrine, just advances in technology and design permitting even heavier ships leaving the previous heavy ships as medium ships.
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>>61383076
>It's clear Luke loves his family

Loves them so much that he can't bring himself to do anything to help? Nope, don't buy it. He felt some responsibility for Ben going evil, but he knew it was Snoke behind it.

> I saw darkness. I sensed it building in him. I'd seen it in moments during his training. But then I looked inside, and it was beyond what I ever imagined. Snoke had already turned his heart.

So if he knows Snoke is ultimately to blame, why does he blame himself so much?
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>>61383113
Because Snoke might have started the process, but it was the decision Luke made - to turn on his lightsaber and, even briefly, think about killing his own nephew in cold blood - that sealed the deal. Note that the very next lines are about how the moment after the thought passed - the whole thought, including 'Snoke had already turned his heart' - terrified and shamed him. He knew Ben could have been saved, but instead of trying to reach out to his nephew he reacted in fear and anger at the thought of another Darth Vader and betrayed every tenet of his Jedi training and his love for his family.
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>>61383125
>he reacted in fear and anger at the thought of another Darth Vader
This fucking confuses me.
Why would he fear that when he was one of the only people who believed there was still good in Vader?
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>>61383156
Because the director didn't really pay attention to the OT.
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>>61383156
I mean, he did come to his senses and go to turn the lightsaber off, it was just by then Ben woke up and, you know, dropped a house on him. But let's see: there's the shame of having failed to teach your nephew right from wrong, the very material danger of a psychopath with a laser sword and incredible power, the fact that Luke is, at this time, guarding a building full of vulnerable children he knows this guy could slaughter on a whim, and the reality that if Ben does turn and can't be saved, Luke is the only person qualified to kill him at the time, and again, this is his only nephew and the foundation of his entire attempt to revive the Jedi Order (and then it turns out half of those guys were sufficiently cool with what Kylo was doing to jump on board when he started killing their classmates and burning their shit down, so maybe the temple wasn't going so great to begin with)
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>>61383168
You right
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>>61383181
Yeah but he was about to brutally kill Ben in his sleep.
Not aprehend or contain. Straight up murdering someone for a crime they hadn't yet commit.
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>>61383206
A decision he almost made, on impulse, before having sufficient wisdom and clarity to back off and regain himself, in the middle of an emotional and traumatic moment. He peered into his nephew's mind and presumably got some equivalent of
'Man, it'd be pretty rad to murder a lot of children and declare myself a Dark Lord'
while already clearly in an emotional 'aw fuck did I fuck up' state.
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>>61383221
>Man, it'd be pretty rad to murder a lot of children and declare myself a Dark Lord'
Seemed like that wasn't the case and Luke instead had a vision of the future. One he thusly created.
I might be wrong though I only saw TLJ once.
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>>61383235
Might have been, yeah. That's probably not much better, given what we then see Kylo actually getting up to. And it's pretty in-character for Luke to act on impulse based on what he 'knows', after all, he bailed on Yoda because he saw his friends in a vision and 'knew' he had to save them, even if it meant confronting Vader. Having that blow up in your face twice in a row probably makes any further smart ideas with 'prophecy' backing them seem pretty fuckin' dubious.
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>>61380983

>"These days"

Are you new? SW fans have been bitching about SW since the 70's. It's just post TLJ that for the first time in history, when they reached into their voluminous pants they actually managed to find their balls instead of their wallets for a change.
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>>61382957
That's what I've been saying for years. Make it a standalone adventure during the Clone Wars, who the fuck wants to watch a desert hobo doing nothing, I thought people disliked the Droid squad arc in TCW.
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GENTLEMEN: BEHOLD!

THE JANKIEST LIST IN 2.0 X-WING RIGHT NOW!

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>>61383057
Acclamator was just a big armed transport/planetary assault ship, it was not meant to partake in space battles, even in TCW you only see it doing that in desperate circumstances, like the defence of Kamino.
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>>61383313
Acclamator Assault Ship armaments
>12 Quad Turobolaser cannons
>24 Point Defense Laser Cannons
>4 Proton torpedo launch tubes

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator-class_assault_ship
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>>61378591
I want to give treats to that dog.
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>>61383424
Looks like a little desu
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>>61383424
Nebulon B Escort Frigate armaments:
>12 Turbolasers
>12 Laser Cannons
>2 Tractor Beam Projectors
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>>61383520
Keep in mind the proton torps are capitalship grade, not the piddly snubfighter grade ones.
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>>61383565
Yeah still
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>>61383559
Yeah but Nebulon is 1/3rd the length and like 1/20 the volume.
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>>61383947
>1/3rd the length and like 1/20 the volume
It also has like 2/3rd the armament.
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>>61383978
Which makes Acclamator look bad when compared even to an escort frigate.
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So, wave one is three ships per faction (X/Y/U, Fang/Slave/Falcon, Reaper/ln/x1), nine overall (or seven, if you don't count wave 14.)

Wave two is four ships overall (RZ2/T70, Mining, /fo).

Assuming wave three is the Aethersprite and Infiltrator, what other ships will we see alongside? Other (for some reason unannounced) prequel ships? A ship each for the GCW factions? Nothing?

My understanding was they'd release a ship per faction per wave, and okay maybe for the initial launch of R/FO those
also count as their GCW counterparts, but that leaves a big question mark over wave three.

>>61383302
not even that janky desu

I don't think I saved my Asajj/Palob/Torani meme token eating list or I'd post it
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>>61384030

You've got a Old/Young Han ability combo and a cloaking Kithrax. Where in the list is there no jank? The Bugzapper?
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>>61383057
Wasn't the Victory rushed out of production to combat the CIS Bulwark Fleet that blitzed through the Core?
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>>61381984
I believe one of the Marvel comics had Luke recover an important holocron from a Hutt collector.
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>>61384030
I doubt this is all they got for Wave 2.
And surely they will not launch new factions with one ship each, at the very least there should be a way to convert sheate and ARC.
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>>61384083
Menacing Menacing Menacing
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>>61384083
A very swole Hutt collector at that.
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>>61381562
And bald too.
No wonder he chocked her to death, can't have a secret wife looking like ventress.

That'd just be weird, especially with your secret-secret previous double master grandpa boyfriend.
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>>61375894
Padme, or his mother?

Kinda hilarious to think about Vader regularly fantasizing about Padme's lips as an old man lacking functional genitalia
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>>61384142
oh shit he's back
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>>61376408
take your death of the author retardation fuckery and shove it. all its ever used by is gigantic faggots who only read a third of a text so they can get through a class or convo by arguing that reaaaaaaaaallllly, the book in question is about how the nazis are totally the best ponies ever and everyone should love ponies.

it's always used to 'support' some retarded 'arguement' when someone calls out the BS as BS, 'muh deff of da ortha hurr durr, it r meenz wheva eye fink it meenz!'
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>>61376727
fuckoff you lightsabre-twirler dicksucking faggot slave boy.

traviss mando's are fine.
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>>61380189
FO is a ln
/sf is an advanced
They have their own FO Bomber and FO interceptor.

The Silencer is a defender.

What the FO is missing from a gameplay perspective is a turreted ship that isn't the SF.
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>>61376872
you can fuck yourself too. traviss mando's are fine
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>>61384064
Sorta, the first commissioned run of Victories was sent to contain the Sep breakout before it could be finished.
>>61384142
You came to the wrong moon.
>>61384704
Anyone else get major Smaug vibes from Beldorion?
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>>61377720
NO FUCKING ROCKET TRAINS.

if your 'correllia' doesn't feature berjillion km/h rocket trains the size of cargo ships moving manufaturing parts, people and sop on from continent to continent factoria centre to assembly centre, then you aint got a fucking Corellia. you got some generic shithole instead
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>>61384962
Not in LotF. Then again very little was fine in LotF.
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>>61377898
>>61377964

this. shit on LotF all you want. leave fucking mandos alone.
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>>61382759
>>61382723
>>61382238
>>61382102
Counterpoint- Getting in with FO and Resistiance will be actually really easy, but you would have to do so in one bigger step.

Everyone that only owns 4 or 5 FO or Resistance ships is selling them. You buy 2-3 lots of that and the FO/Resistance conversion kit. You now have a full set of a faction.
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>>61384946
mando'aid vode ann wooluu jeedaii pooie traviss booba
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>>61378502
yes. a lot of the military supported him because of his centralisation and "we are so sick of provincial assmunching faggot civilians trying to 'lead' us and get us killed"
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CIS should deploy these guys as well, from the gunships
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>>61383090
>implying.

you're just an Imp-I fanboy scared of 80 fucking concussion missile tubes.
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>>61384998
LotF was doomed from the start, being written by committee, that never comittee'd and only occasionally made a 5 line email to each other to tell them what the fuck each person was doing.
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>>61384960
>FO Bomber and Interceptor

Again I think that's a misconception from the movie. I think the TIE Interceptor and TIE Bomber shown on screen are normal TIE/IN and TIE/sa and not some new FO variant, and the holos were to imply the dealer deals in Imperial surplus or had dealt with the Empire in the past
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>>61386129
>I think the TIE Interceptor and TIE Bomber shown on screen are normal TIE/IN and TIE/sa

paint it black and it's a new ship
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>>61386129
You give the movie too much credit. A far more probable explanation is that the First Order fields color reversed versions of Interceptors and Bombers to minimize creativity. The concept of Imperial military surplus is far too much of a high-brow idea to be understood by the audience, or the writers.
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>>61380983
SW fans have always bitched. Lucas talks about this in the 80s, 90's and 00's.
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>>61381798
I hate to bring up old dirt but this bothers me.

>But then she bursts into high command and makes an impassioned speech and it moves EVERYONE into fighting for her.
Did you even watch the film? The exact opposite happens. They chastise her and Bodhi. The entire premise is a group of shady rebels disobey orders and go to Scariff ignoring High Command.

>he's a team killing douche who acts like a total chode until her speech when suddenly they're best friends
Again, did you watch the film? After hearing Jyn speak about the man Galen is, seeing a broken man on his last legs before Alliance bombs kill him. The entire journey from Yavin, Jedha and Eadu gives him a crisis. He's struggling especially when Jyn calls him out for his bullshit.
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>>61376252
>compared to GoT
Seriously? Well, if that's true, they should have based it around imperial intrigue on the imperial palace on coruscant or some nar shaddaa shit
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>>61386174
Exactly why I'm dropping the ST ships like the hot garbage they are.

It's not like the OT is gonna run out of ships, especially with all of the new anthology movies.
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>>61386736
The ones that have been paused indefinitely?
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>>61386736
>new anthology movies.
uhh, anon...
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I realize that it's two completely types of productions, but now that they are making the final TCW season, do you guys think there's a chance they will bring back 1313?
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>>61387050
Do you really trust EA with that?
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>>61387062
Well. No. Not even remotedly. But I don't trust disney either and here we are.
I mean, that game was almost finished so they wouldn't have that much opportunity to fuck it up.
Surely.
Surely?
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Help with this list /swg/?

It feels like it would do great vs. non-swarm lists, but how do I beat TIE swarms with it?

My guess is that I need to bait them into the rocks somehow.
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>>61376189
Jon Favreau... directing a Star Wars
...TV....series... about Mandalore????

I wish I had never discovered this information. Don't tell me about anything else that is happening.
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>>61387101
They shitcanned it what, 2-3 years ago? Every asset for it has probably been deleted for too long to recover.All the folders have been deleted and back-up tapes overwritten several times. 1313 will never see the light of day.
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>>61376286
It's not like he said the earth was flat. Art is used in nearly every single instance to convey a message.
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>>61387138
the mandalore thing is baseless speculation from an article saying "my friend of a friend told me that I heard some people talking about this while on a line"
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>>61387163
We're not talking about Great Art here, we're talking about a big budget movie.

The idea that Disney is carefully crafting a propaganda message for ideological reasons and not just making big dumb movies with simple themes for the mass market to make billions of dollars is pretty Conspiracy Theorist.
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>>61377025
There was a comic talking about a ghost ship. An interdictor that crashed during the battle of Jammu that novody had located. Rey finds it to loot complete with active KX-series droid bodyguard protecting it still. Other scavengers find it to and it becomes a competition for the 2 groups.

There are also the forces of Destiny episodes on YouTube that show some more lighthearted stuff. Could have the group attacked by the metal eating sandworms or the metal eating giant vulture things.
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>>61387198
Does anyone have that picture of rows and rows of unsold Finn toys?
>>61387397
They didn't intend to give off those messages, just like Stephanie Meyers didn't intend to make Bella come off as a vapid sociopath. But here we are.
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Thoughts on Vader's ship from the comic?

What's your favourite ship for Vader? TIE Advanced? TIE Defender? This one? Eta-2 Actis?

How would you stat this ship?
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>>61377025
used to be a mining place
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An anon here asked if anyone remembered the Decipher Star Wars CCG recently. That got me thinking about it and compare it to X-wing with respect to ships and pilots.

In SWCCG ships and pilots were separate cards with separate stats. Actually, pilots were just characters, but with the special 'pilot' skill. They would generally boost any ship they flew, but if they flew their personal ship, the boost would be more significant (see pic for examples). It was a pain in the ass in a card game, as it was generally difficult to have these two cards in your hand at the same time, so eventually they created 'combined' cards like Howlrunner.

They had the same approach in the Jedi Knights card game too (last two cards), but haven't played that much.

I figure it might have been neat if X-wing had the same approach: separate pilot skills from ship attributes, but give some pilots boosts for flying their own (type of) vessel. That way, we could for example let Darth Vader fly a TIE Defender (and who wouldn't want that?), but since it wasn't his own vessel, he would be slightly disadvantages (but certainly better than whatever generic you put in).
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>>61387702
It looks exceptionally generic. The best and only ship for Vader is the Executor, with the TIE Advanced for when he has to fight them ship to ship.
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>>61387702
looks like an even more boring sith scimitar. Even the Rogue Knight looks a bit more interesting.
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>>61387804
rogue shadow, rather.
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>>61387804
The Sith Scimitar is cool though.
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>>61387702
It looks too much like the sith infiltrator for me to like it.

I wonder what Vader could have done in a missile boat. Guide missiles with the Force rather than a targeting computer. Not even a missile lock warning!
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>>61387830
>I wonder what Vader could have done in a missile boat
Blown literally everything the fuck up
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>>61387830
>Guide missiles with the Force rather than a targeting computer.
Yes, use all your concentration on guiding those missiles and get shot down because you ain't flying well enough.
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>>61384030
number 2 and 3 on the 2e SKUs are missing, so clearly those are the core sets for the other two eras.

I'm actually betting that wave 3 in February is Clone Wars factions, to get them out early so they don't have the problems with Scum in 1e, so we'll likely get another 2-3 ships for them. If I had to take a wild stab, Aethersprite in the core and a single expansion, Republic Y-wings, and then a medium or large, probably the ARC. CIS would be vulture core and single, Scimitar, and then probably another type of droid fighter. Three ships for the first wave sounds about right for them really. That's still 8 expansions for people to buy.

From there I'm expecting one ship a wave per faction with waves every three months or so, for the non-ST factions at least. That would give us a pretty decent game in a year. The ST factions will likely depend on new releases at this point, since they don't have a huge backlog to march through.

>>61387133
Pretty much. I'm not convince on the CD on the lambda. I'd say a tractor beam and a bid has more chance of benefiting you. You have a lot of attacks, and it helps you deal with pesky arcdodgers.
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>>61387830
Would have been fun to see him in a TIE defender.
Hell, would have been fun to see him in an X-wing too.
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>>61387902
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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What would be a good "final boss" for a starfighter-centric campaign? I know the Missile Boat just got mentioned, but it seems to OP to use without some kind of plot device around to nerf it.
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>>61387995
Well, seems to me a star wars campaign needs to end on an epic note. A trench run against the one Imperial star destroyer holding down the sector you are in, or marshalling all your forces and all your allies for one final showdown against your big bad.
So, a capital ship or some big phat platform.
If you mean a more mundane fight, I guess a squad of cloaked phantoms backed up by a wing of regular squints backed up by an interdictor to keep your players from escaping would be okey.
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>>61387995
As in, a star fighter as a "final boss"? Could also have them attack some sort of anti-fighter platform (space defense station or small capital ship).
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>>61387995
A Star Destroyer. Not necessarily an Imperator, just a Star Destroyer.
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>>61387995
EVA fistfight on the top of the bridge of a ISD that's about to hit atmo
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>>61388062
KRAYT EATER
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>>61387995
You could go the TIE Fighter campaign approach: have to clear out a laser cannon mine field while ambushed.
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>>61387950
Could settle once and for all who was the better starfighter pilot: Luke or him.
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>>61388128
The real question is peak anakin vs peak luke

We've actually had this debate on /swg/ before. It really comes down to what period of which character against which period of the other

But yes. It would be a good fight.
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>>61384142
>A swole hutt

I need to track down more comics some of these are gold
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>>61382957
Or, a little bit of both.

Obiwan in the desert getting dragged into problems on Tatooine and trying to stay out of it.

Flashing back to the clone wars and Satine and all the mistakes he made.
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>>61388164
The real question is, peak Anakin+peak Luke VS an entire wing of enemy fighters; how long would it take them?
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>>61387702
Looks generic as hell, like they just smoothed over a Sith Infiltrator..
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>>61388164
Fuck man, I don't even know.
Like peak Luke is as ridiculously strong in the light as sheev was at the dark, maybe more, but peak Anakin was also completely ridiculous
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>>61388194
I don't think the amount of fighters posed against them matters much, judging from the scene in Rebels where Vader slaughters A-wings without breaking a sweat.
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>>61388194
We talking about tards in pinooks or the 181st or Agressor Wing?
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>>61388235
Let's say for arguments sake skilled pirates in stolen TIE interceptors, and the Skywalkers in X-wings
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>>61388272
3 Squadrons or 6?
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>>61388303
This isn't battletech, a wing is 72 fighters
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>>61388320
Alliance Wings are 36. And I'd say that without support the Skywalkers would lose, they're good pilots but they're not good enough to take 3 squadrons each.
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>>61388194
>>61388272
TIE's do have a speed advantage...
I say six minutes thirty seconds
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>>61388358
>>61388272
>>61388235
I say about tree fiddy
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>Anakin
>Plo Koon
>Saesee Tiin
>Adi Galia

Any other notable Jedi aces during the Clone Wars?
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>>61388347
>they're good pilots but they're not good enough to take 3 squadrons each.
But they have both done exactly that at one point or another
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>>61388498
With absolutely no support in a straight up fight?
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>>61387902
In Lords of the Sith, not only did Vader pilot a fucked Lambda slamming into atmosphere but he was also choking the shit of Isvalwithout even seeing her. even funnier was palpatine telling him he was being sloppy about it
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>>61388523
Anakin yes, the Luke occasion was IIRC vong era and I haven't read that crap in years so I don't remember the specifics
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>>61388347
>Alliance Wings are 36
Where is this?
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>>61388574
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fighter_wing/Legends#Rebel_Alliance.2FNew_Republic
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>>61388523
nerds can be stupid when it comes to fan wanking their childhood favorites.
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>>61388674
He said, in a thread full of nerds on a board full of nerds on a website full of nerds.
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>>61388692
who else would know best how dumb nerds can be?
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>>61388703
I agree fellow nerd, nerds are the worst people on Earth.
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>>61388410
I miss my boi Plo Koon

Plo's Bros....

Also why was he reffered to as "Master Plo" when every other Jedi is Reffered to by Surname? (E.G Master Windu, Master Kenobi etc)
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>>61388786
Because "Master Koon" might uh... not be great.
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>>61388786
Master Koon was what everyone called Windu behind his back
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>>61388786
probably a species thing, might be that they reverse the order of names like the japanese for example. maybe he was such a bro that every one was on a first name basis with him.
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>>61388818
>Master Diddn'tdu though the Windu
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>>61388558
>palpatine telling him he was being sloppy about it
How many races did Sheevy P win by using the Force to fuck with his opponents?
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>>61388786
Plo's bros murdered their bro without any hesitation because a wizard-looking motherfucker with a scrotum for a face who they had never seen before called them on a secure frequency and dropped the trigger phrase that was wired into their brains at a genetic level. It was an act of violent betrayal so automatic and reflexive that Plo, like all the Jedi fragged by their clones, never saw it coming. Reading people's thoughts is useless against people who don't need a single thought to be able to go from being your comrades in arms to murdering you.
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>>61388786
>It will be done, my lord.
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>>61388798
Just imagine Mace Windu over-hearing someone refer to Plo as "Master Koon" in the temple

Ahsoka: "Master Koon, tell me about the Fleet Moving through the Raydonia system again"
Plo: "Ah well you see Young Ahsok-"
Windu: "AHSOKA, YOU MOTHERFU-"
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>>61388909
>Ahsoka keeps unwittingly dropping human ethnic slurs because she's spent all her life so far either in a space monastery or among other Togrutans and doesn't know what they mean
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>>61388824
>maybe he was such a bro that every one was on a first name basis with him.

I like to think it's this.
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>>61387702
Looks like a gi joe knockoff toy, infact I would not be surprised that it was based off that since this is Mahvel artists we are talking about.
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>>61387702
that rear turret seems like such an afterthought, like "well this still seems kinda boring lets slap a turret on it"
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>>61389232
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>>61378197
>For sure, but she did a decent job merging the ideas together. You know, before she went off the deep end.
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>>61389744
I always took the Mando-Wank of Traviss as being what the Mandalorians themselves believed.
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>>61389858
That worked perfectly fine in her Repcom books baring Order 66 and Impcom but did not work in her LotF works.
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>>61389033
>see this
>do research on plo

Holy fuck. taken too soon from us
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>>61389033
>>61389996
Oh god, that's sad.




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