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>>61987338

CAWW
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>>61987342
Unironically a limited bomb, and it's a common.

W E W
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>>61987338

Dildo bro
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>>61987342
>Mentor
>Toughness 3
>at Common
oh my
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>>61987338
Just like in my anime.

Also, CUTE!
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Say my name!
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SAY. MY. NAME!
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>>61987428
Why is she wearing a tiara?
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>>61987461
You already know the answer.
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>>61987428
No joke, I'd fuck her
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>>61987461
QUEEN
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>>61987428
CUTE!!!
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>>61987428
Why hello princess Tiana.

[Disney legal action intensifies]
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>>61987428
YAS QUEEN SLAY!
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>>61987461
Wouldn't you?
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>>61987428
#1 Ravnica qt
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Hmmm, I understood why Mardu waifus are for facesitting
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>>61987364
Mister Lister the Piston Fister
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>>61987599
She looks like a Kithkin

I'd still tap

Chinese sweatshop illustrators are a funny bunch
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>>61987428
>black girl mtg art that doesn’t look shit
WHAT??
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>>61987599
Dude she's older then your great grandmother.
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>>61987428
Nice how the prong-staff-thing makes Bolas horns. Not sure if it's an intentional nod to his meddling or just a coincidence. Wonder if you can see any of that in the Golgari
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Excited for Golgari Aggro with all of these tasty graveyard synergies
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>>61987780
I wish my grandma had a body like this
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Whatcha thinkin bout new Dimir waifu Etrata?
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>>61987885
I thought the new champion was gonna be the girl with face paint and the doofy hairstyle seen on Mission Briefing and another card iirc. But then I double checked the split card and yeah that's the character on it.
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>>61987885
Every other Dimir character is really covered up, as is their fashion, and in the design doc. It makes sense, they're going for a Noir theme with a lot of cloaks and trenchcoats.

Except this one

Because we need you to know she's black.
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This set is good and I'm scared.
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>>61987912
I like Dimir girl from Mission Briefing a lot, she reminds me of another top notch Dimir... Oh, I mean, Agents of S. N. E. A. K. waifu
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>>61987885
Not as cute as Queen Cute, but she looks fine. I like this dude better, though.
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>>61988051
He looks like a gay hipster if you ask me
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surveil control is going to dominate standard
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>>61987912
Oh, that character was also on Never Happened. That's why I thought that was the new dimir champion, since it definitely seems like the same character. But the theme of the rare split cards is one side is the leader and one side is the champion.
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>>61988051
>that shitty cgi
Eww
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>>61988128
Different girls I guess
Girl at Mission Briefing art has some really manly chin
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>>61988094
I'm going to force Boros Dinos week 0
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>Boros is good for limited and not much else
>Izzet and Selesnya have some ok but alot of bad
>Dimir and Golgari get good shit
I must say I feel spoiled with BG at this point, I wouldn't mind seeing a shit card for those colors. Dimir is getting interesting enough that I feel like I want to play it
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>>61988170
>tfw when all the best Boros creatures aren't even from GRN
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>>61987428
>tiara, staff, power glove, and that hair and face
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Tajic (Boros) and Etrata (Dimir) are the last two huge cards we've got left to spoil. Very curious about both of them.

Oh, and the Rare Selesnya Split
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>>61988192
You think this might be good in a WR midrange dino deck?
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>>61988248
I was gonna say we also need the selesnya champion but I remember Emmara was spoiled pretty early.
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>>61988248
Any other mythic slots left? I'm still waiting on a juicy land or artifact
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>>61987379
with flying and vigilance.
Get this mentored once and you start rolling off.

Honestly, in limited mentor is going to be powerful. Because the mentor deck is going to be the deck with the all the 3 drops that could reliably stop them from getting in an the mentor train going.
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would you make fuck with a loxodon
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>>61988271
ive never seen a female loxodon, maybe
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I don't feel like the different ability costs are properly tuned for this cycle.
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>>61988271
who doesn't want to fuck a loxodon?
they thicc
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>>61988258
Spicy. I can wrath my own Raptor Hatchlings for insane value.
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>>61988271
Yes. She thicc
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>>61988262
11 mythics spoiled so far
No White mythics yet
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>>61988294
They costed them VERY safely, because the Guildmages were very strong in Limited in the past block. That said, House Guildmage feels like the ability costs are about right, and Conclave isn't too bad either.
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>>61988294
Dimir is best, Izzet is second best, Selesnya and Golgari are shit and Boros is Boros
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>>61988271
>>61988284
>>61988296
>>61988302
guys
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>>61988248
Something tells me Etrata will be a 1UB 2/2 with either flying creature that either surveils every time you cast a instant/sorcery or allows you add a exiled surveil card to your hand on etb or attack maybe both.
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>>61988294
Dimir > Golgari > Izzet > Selesnya > Boros

Funny how this might apply to the guilds in general, too.
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>>61988360
Aren't you mixing Surveil with Jumpstart?

Also, kinda shitty Izzet has no creature champion, I liked Parun but the more UR commanders the better.
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>>61988294
they're all just bad.
Guildmages have been tuned down each return to ravnica, and this time they just aren't good.

League is the best, and she is still only a C. Until I'd setttled into Isset I'd take passwall agent over her.
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>>61988401
The planeswalkers can be your commander in brawl : )
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Can we launch a Kickstarter for WotC to hire actual artists instead of DevianTards?
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You can steal Aurelia, Lazav, Trostani Discordant, Izoni and Emmara with this. What a bomb of a card.
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>>61987342
Best Mentor at lower rarities.
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>>61988424
You CAN steal Trostani anon, but you won't keep her for very long.
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>>61988294
Izzet > Boros > Dimir > Selesny > Golgari

Any other order is objectively wrong.
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>>61988443
>Boros above Dimir
Out of your mind
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>>61988424
>stealing Trostani DIscordant
>gives it back at the end of your turn

You don goof'd
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>>61988424
Both halves are excellent. There's not gonna be a situation where you have this on your hand and it isn't a good tool.
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>>61987599
looks like they used natalie portman as reference
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>>61988424
>>61987885

This bitch a vampire?
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>>61988483
Dimir needs a Vampire legend in every block, so probably. She seems to have sharp teeth on Concoct as well.
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So, What you guys think Tajic is gonna be like this time around?
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>>61988470
I know concoct probably isn't going to see constructed play, but considering the rate of reanimation these days is 4 mana, paying an additional 1 to also surveil 3 seems like an amazing deal, especially since you could mill something even better.
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>>61988294
Constructed playability
Izzet>Dimir>Selesnya>Golgari>Boros

Limited playability
Selesnya=Golgari>Dimir>Izzet>Boros
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>>61987381
Where are this woman's legs?
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>>61988499
He was actually a decent commander before, but I would be surprised if he was splashier and more exciting than Aurelia was not particularly exciting unless you just like pure stats considering she's the leader and he's only the guild champion. I would expect at least one of the two to be aimed for commander play though and aurelia mostly definitely is not so.
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>>61988435
True, but barging sergent isn't as bad as people think.
Yes it will probably trade for a low drop, but it can tick up a mentor train out of hand fast by getting a second 4 power mentor. And I at that point the boros deck might not be hard to stop.
And the bodyguards drawback isn't going to come up that much in an actual aggressive boros deck. That into skyknight legionare is just solid.

Maxium velocity is what makes me think the mentor deck might be able to just go off.
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>>61988515
hidden by low image quality and bad foreshortening.
Her thighs are basically invisible, but her lower legs are clearly in the stirrups
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>>61988511
You are all underestimating boros. Although the costs are higher, I'd put it above dimir.
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>>61988499
3WR 4/3, First strike, vigilance, mentor

"During your battle phase if a creature with mentor activates, you may put Tajic onto the battlefield attacking instead."
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>>61987792
You can see bolas traits in Orzhov architecture
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>>61988157
>>61988128
The Never Happened girl is the cutest Dimir girl.
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>>61988192
>Mentor Dinos
chrispratt.dec
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Maybe it's not the strongest guild, but all these sweet surveil payoffs really want me to go Dimir at the prerelease.
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>>61988638
Right now it seems like the strongest guild, but then again, it has 10 more spoiled cards than any other guild. I still think Golgari has a good chance of making it as the best of this set.
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>>61988638
Just sayin, all Dimir and Golgari sealed packs will be taken like hot cupcakes, so register right now.
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>>61988550
So turn 2 Recruit.
Turn 3 either 2 mana mentor we've seen + max velocity. 3/2 first strick and either 3/4 or 3/3 first strick.
Turn 4: any of the following, bodyguard, skyknight legionarre, another of the 2 drop mentors. Jumpstart maxium velocity.
That's mostly commons and a lot power with pretty bad blocks, and my board state looks good.
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>>61988687
Probably a good idea, although I'd be fine with Selesnya as well.
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Selesnya or Boros would be my favorite guilds normally, but I really like how Dimir just look in this set. Their new aesthetic is very cool.
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>>61988687
I rather go Selesnya and get free wins against Dimir and Golgari idiots who dumps all their creatures in the grave without a second thought.
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>>61988346
>>61988390
Don't forget that they didn't slap an 'only when you could cast a sorcery' clause on the token of Conclave, thus the token essentially has flash as well.
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>Swiftblade Vindicator
>RW (2cmc)
>Double Strike, Vigilance, Trample
>1/1
>Rare

They actually finally got a decent card but its rare.
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>>61988822
I like Parhelion Patrol better, honestly. And that's a common.
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>>61988822
He's going to win alot of limited games with just that guildpact glaive.
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>>61988764
You are going to unironically want to go Boros if you want to blow out dimir and golgari decks floundering around.
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>>61988777
it's six mana and it doesn't let you push through. And Trample is conditionally useful, and you're giving up a creature to use it.

League and House start doing useful stuff much earlier. Swarm's expensive thing is much easier to get off, and can just win the game. Legion is bad, but 2W tap is more likely to be good than just trample and the 6 mana ability does give an aggro deck reach.
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>>61988499

I think they're probably going to retread him being a small body that gets huge during combat only. Aurelia's schtick this time around has been around either hyping herself up into a mini-Akroma or giving one of her allies a superbuff, which can enable them to mentor her. Taijic will have to have something that works with that, I think.

I'm basing that on Emmara and Trostani having abilities that compliment each other but focus on different things; Emmara makes lots of bodies and Trostani makes them bigger. Only problem is the boros playstyle is super one-dimensional at the moment so it beats the fuck out of me what Taijic is going to do besides "I ALSO attack while buffing an ally." Which seems to be all RW is ever good for outside commander-specific sets.
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>>61988858
>That guy trying to fool people into playing Boros so they get fucked
Devilish
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>>61988858
It looks like I'm going white and picking both boros and selesnya at this rate.
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>>61988900
Well, you could. ravnica sets tend to support 3 color well enough.
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>>61988881
classic Dimir strategy
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And the award for "Most undervalued card" goes to...
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>>61988908
>>61988900
Typically they have, though it seems like they're trying to reward going straight 2-color in this set. What with all the XXYY costs, the cost-heavy Lockets, and the critical mass of self-referential guild cards.
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>tfw im a mardufag and everyone keeps shittalking Boros

Its not fucking fair boros is so garbage. Cant wait for orzhov and rakdos to make up for this shitfest.
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>>61988939
New Trostani is just asking to get graveyard abused for maximum value.
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>>61988939
Most shitty card you mean.
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>>61988947
They explicitly said they've designed you to be able to 2 color as well as 3 color in at least one article (the Making Magic one form earlier this week). But yes they're probably intentionally trying to see if the MMNN uncommons will entice more people into playing just guilds.
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>>61988962
Orzhov is gonna be great, but I'm afraid for Rakdos to get fucked similarly
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>>61988939
Whats some tech for a nu-trostani edh
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>>61988947
In a preview article they said they were aiming for 5 guild drafters and 3 three-color drafters per pod.
Guild Summit and the gate searchers are supposed to enable a UGx gate control deck for more experienced drafters.
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Reverse Shocker
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>>61989048
This seems shitty, but great flavor.
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>>61989024
BUT WHERE THE COMMON GATE PAY OFFS
They made the etb search a gate guy uncommon this time. I want it for pauper cube. My UG deck is an untapper deck with enchant lands + common blue untappers to make big mana but I'd like more gates.
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>>61989048
What Lorwyn creature does on Ravnica
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>>61989048
>CMC 6
>discard all zero cards in your hand
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>>61989048
>The Advokist and the Urchin
>mfw some guildless Ravnican NEET probably wrote a slash fanfic of his own self insert banging Teysa
>this is canon
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>>61989048
This is less bad than most of these effects since you aren't losing a card to do it but this effect is still too shit. just give me a fucking wheel bros.
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>>61989048
>>61989074
It seems like shitty flavor.
It's eating your books, while hitting them.
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>>61989090
I believe it's actually based on a creature that was on some shitty polymorph spell in a commander set iirc
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>>61989016
Creatures
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why is this tread so positive and comfy? what happened?
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>>61987338
>deals damage
>not lose life

Fucking hell, WotC
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>>61989124
It eats the books, but it leaves a lot of scraps behind, and when you put them together you've created new books that may or may not be better than the old ones
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>>61989102
I want to fuck teysa too
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>>61989140

They've been dialing that back a bit for black, as I recall. I expect it will crop up more when we get around to Orzhov.
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>>61989102
I was thinking it was more like Ravnica's version of "The Prince and the Pauper". Alternatively, Teysa secretly writes her own fics under a pseudonym.
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>>61989140
Life loss is too confusing for most of WotCs playerbase.
Remember that kitchen table players are most of their playerbase.
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>>61989165
>wanting weak cripple genes in your offspring

Pathetic
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>>61989105
It might actually be better in this format than others, since it works with Jump-start and Undergrowth
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>>61989140
I was pretty sure "damage causes loss of life" has to be one of the most arbitrary reminder texts ever, yet here we are.
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>>61989102
kek
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>>61989227
I wasn't thinking of it for limited. This effect has never really struck me as a for limited effect. But it does have synergy with that stuff. With jump-start it's almost card advantage I suppose.
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>>61987428
Oh, look, it's Riri in Ravnica.
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>>61989221
Sorry I want to plant my seed inside of a woman who has actually done something with her life (and probably will do something with her unlife) rather than lie with a gruul ragamuffin
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I think they obviously wanted to nerf red hard after how broken it has been for a while, which is why Izzet is meh at best and Boros is weak.
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>>61989221
I bet gruul girls smell
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>>61989276
I think this can evidenced by the fact we've seen constructed level blue jump-start spells but purely limited fodder red ones.
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>>61988614
She looks like the chromosome challenged daughter of Syndrome and Violet Parr from The Incredibles.
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>>61989296
There has not been a single constructed level blue jump start spell.
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>>61989048
Is this Thud monster?
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>>61989312
You are an absolute idiot if you truly 100% believe Chemister's Insight won't be played in constructed. one and I believe both of its only competition in standard are cycling out and it's roughly as good as them anyway.
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>>61989349
Also, Quasiduplicate is for most intents and purposes better than its flashback equivalent in commander, and Cackling Counterpart is a fairly popular commander card.
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>>61988880
You mean 'even in commander-specific sets', right?
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Do we get spoilers on weekends? I'm asking because we have a little over a hundred cards left but only 4 days to go until we get full spoilers.
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>>61989474
No, no spoilers on weekends, but this is a weird spoiler season so who knows.
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>>61989016
Your opponents playing STEAL EVERYTHING THE DECK.
Anything that shits out tokens
Not Akroan Horse.
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>>61989221
Not really looking forwards to seeing the new versions of the Gruul girls
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>>61989474
No spoilers from WotC, but individual people may show some cards in videos, streams or social media
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>>61989016
Hunted creatures from original Ravnica.
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>>61989221
who is the chick on the right supposed to be?
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>>61989559
That 1G/R G/R G/R creatuer that got bigger power wise when you attacked with a bigger mob in Gatecrash, Rubblebelt Master or somethign I think.
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>>61989553
Are now 'opponent creates a whatever'
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>>61989612
Gay rule change.
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>>61989585
Rubblebait Raiders
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>>61989526

Oh god dont fucking remind me.

Gruul had qt as fuck girls and now they are all gonna have mohawks and that stupid half shaven head bullshit.
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>>61989634
Hunteds haven't worked with 'take your shit back' cards for...quite a while. I think the M10 rules change?
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>>61989677
Damn, I'm really out of the loop on that rule change then. Thanks for letting me know regardless.
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>>61989661
Bubblebutt Raider
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>>61989693
Scuttlemutt Hater
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>>61989329
Not specific to Thud, it's the generic Kev Walker monster design he constantly re-uses.
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>>61989674
I'm fairly certain we will see Burning Tree reprinted so maybe not.
Who knows though, WOTC's design decisions seems really poor lately but Ravinica is looking like a smash hit from a constructed standpoint. I've seen multiple cards that could see Eternal play so far.
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>>61988576

I have a feeling I'm going to lose a set due to a moderate stalemate getting pushed in my opponent's favor thanks to a Boros Guildmage endlessly tapping my one creature right after my untap phase.
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T1 Thoughtbound Phantasm
T2 Enhanced Surveillance
T3 Surveil Shit like Dimir Informant, Whisper Agent, or whatever
T4 Demon of Catastrophies or more Surveil
T5 Doom Whisperer into the Creeping Chills that haven't been cast yet
T6 if game isn't over, Concoct targeting Lotleth Giant
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>>61989749
Needs more Spybug
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>>61989729
Should have had 2creature, then you wouldn't have to worry about creature tappening so much.
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Boros still has 1 Mythic and at least 1 Rare slot open, r-right?
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>>61989726
>>61989674
We already know more or less how the Gruul are going to look and the first anon is right
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>>61989780
Disgusting.
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>>61987428
She looks like she fucks white boys
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>>61989780
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>>61989787
Fitting for the disgusting gruul.
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>>61989780
>>61989674
>qt tribal girls with tattoos, piercings and side cuts
next set can't come soon enough
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>>61987338
MEATY
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>>61989780
Fucking hell.
And is that hair dye really necessary?
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>>61989780
I mean it’s a cool idea.
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>>61989777
No idea about Mythic, but there's a rare spot left open for Tajic, yes.
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>>61989802
>>61989780
I like literally everything about these designs but the hair styles.
I really dig the Tattoos as Street maps thing
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>>61989780
>savage barbarians warriors
>let's use some good-for-nothing drugfiends from 50 years ago as references
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>>61989837
They were always anarchists tho.
It's about oppressed beings turning against the big city that betrayed and hurt them.
It's also about big dumb cyclops hurling trees at people
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>>61989812
>>61989831
Based

>>61989787
>>61989821
>>61989837
Keep seething, cucks
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>>61989559
Here's the actual answer.
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>>61989780
>>61989802
Woah, Yeah, Kickstart My Heart, Hope It Never Stops
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>>61989876
Nice buzzword, faggot.
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>>61989870
This desu.
Friendly reminder that in original Ravnica, the Gruul had magic-shotgun wielding anarchist bands and urban raider gangs that rode on pterons.
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>>61989837
Gruul are not barbarians but anarchists. They went full bakka after other guild betraying them. They are anarchoprimitivist punks - not Conan noble savages.
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>>61989837
Their entire gimmick is that they're anarchists angry at the establishment for taking away their jobs.
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Why does anyone like the Gruul? The Gruul are wasted potential. They're a bunch of wanton vandals and mayhem-makers that are no good for anything.
Then again, the color combination is Red/Green, so what do I expect from the combination of savages that are complacent with human suffering and ignorance.
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Watch Gruul be the most white guild out of all in the new set because wotc is too scared of making black people look like savages.

They'll go full circle and make 80% of Azorius black as some sort of virtue signaling for police justice brutality bullshit
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>>61989976
Gruul are shit. Worst guild.
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>>61990014
not
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>>61990010
Looks like we've hit our /pol/tard spazzing out segment of the thread.
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>>61990014
In limited, considering every pack as a gate you're bound to have 1 out so it's +1/+0 in most cases.
Probably very strong with Mentor
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>>61989976
Another bluefag salty his wife got GRUUL'd

Just remember the old maxim: Not Gruul? Then Die!
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>>61990014
There is a gate in every pack. I am assuming they will be drafted rather than taken, so 'depends on how many you manage to grab'.
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>>61989101
Oh look I drew a land
guess I'll wheel it away with my sweet red dude
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>>61990055
Meat AND eggs? We eat!!
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>>61990071
A 4/5 trample for 6 isn't sweet
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>>61989765
It'll be in the deck as another option, but ideally, you're just going to win off of Doom Whisperer
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>>61989976
This single card came with a fluff that could be expanded into a great piece of lore.
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>>61989816
... claws?
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>>61989976
>Orzhov mad because Gruul doesn't take his dumb loans
Can't hurt who isn't in your pockets
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>>61990091
it is when it draws you cards
and is also a cute book eating gremlin look at that cutie pie
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Rank them from best to worst.

Also, any Modern potential here?
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>>61990017
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>>61990133

Boros is the worst AGAIN
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>>61990133
Lazav
Vraska
Ral
Aurelia
Trostani
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>>61990133
EDh, EDH, Standard, garbage fodder, EDH.
Only Vraska has some potential in an Abzan Aristocrats Modern attempt.
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>>61990133
Lazav is the only interesting only.
I'm more disappointed by Trostani.
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>>61990055
>We hate how the other guilds are fucking shits to the people.
>Let's be fucking shits ourselves and kill anyone that we see rather than try to save people from Azorius or Orzhov authoritarianism through vigilante acts and convince people we're awesome because we do more for them than lawfags.
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>>61990098
CLAWS
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>>61990133
Zero modern potential

Vraska > Ral > Aurelia > Lazav = Trostani
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>>61990133
Ral might have some Modern potential in the Jeskai Control decks that are running around. Otherwise, unlikely to see the rest. Unless GB Rock becomes a thing in Modern, then Vraska might get in.
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>>61990180
In Modern, just like Standard he is a worse Teferi.
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>>61990179
>Lazav = Trostani

What?
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>>61990133

It really is amazing how so many of the Boros cards would go from trash to actually pretty decent if they just have 1 more power or toughness. Hell, even if Aurelia gave +3/+0 instead of +2/+0 she would be fantastic.
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>>61990218
I agree completely. So long as Chainwhirler is legal standard will be defined by creatures with =>2 toughness.
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>>61989690
It was
>put X token on the battlefield under target opponent's control
Then it was errata'd
>target opponent puts X token on the battlefield
Ksladesh "create" change wasn't functional.
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If Mentor said "with lesser or equal Power", would that fix it or would it suffer from the same issues it does right now?
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>>61989725
Love it.
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>>61990136
>>61990017
What's their alt culture redesign gonna look like?
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>>61990308
It'd fix the biggest issue in that most of the playable creatures with mentor are all 2 power.
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>>61990218
>>61990257

If Aurelia targets herself with the +2 will she be able to mentor creatures with 3 or less toughness or no because he base power is 2?

I feel like her trick is to mentor something above her, which in turn mentors her to 3, which in turn mentors something lower. Or does mentor not work like that by chaining stuff?

I feel like Mentor is supposed to be a simple mechanic but will get a bunch of people confused.
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>>61990308
Power or Toughness would be good, it'd make sense for the weird P/T ratios we're seeing, and it'd make sense for some like the 5/2 giant.
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>>61990327
They will proclaim that they have reached a higher evolutionary level. They will all be black.
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>>61990337
If aurelia targets herself, she can target any creature with 3 power or less to Mentor. That seems to be the idea, but they overcosted mentor to the point that it won't function well in play.
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>>61990308
No you'd just have your creatures mentor themselves.

We've yet to see the combat trick "target creature gets +3/+0 and gains Mentor until end of turn."
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>>61990356
if they are anything but turquoise I will scream
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>>61990327
I believe it's been said A) they're leaning more into the doctor thing like in the original Ravnica and B) there's going to be more genetically modified humanoids rather than monster mash ups.
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>>61990441
seems like they just want more humans for all the guilds in general.
boring.
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>>61990422

>Rallying Cry
>1RW (CMC)
>"Ttarget creature gets +3/+0 and gains Mentor until end of turn."

y/n?
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B
Instant
Surveil 1, then draw a card.
You lose 1 life.

Would you play it?
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>>61990467
Yes
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>>61990133
>>61990147
yo. yo.
at worst its a flying, tramping, vigalancing 4/5 on your turn and a 2/5 on theirs. If the skies are clear it helps get a guy on the ground through, while also permanently pumping your dudes. Aurelia is fuggin pushed.

The walkers are both only fine, they are in the new vein of walkers that have more narrow 'synergy' abilities at an aim to restrict what deck they go into (or make the decks they slot into slant in a direction to support them more) instead of them being auto includes like they often are. Ral might be played some only for this 'one-sided howling mine' effect you want in certain matchups. Otherwise they require decks to be built around them, which I like as a design, but does limit their power.

Trostani is good for any standard g/w creatures decks if there are any (just imagine if this card existed in the gideon/nissa G/W toekns deck, yikes)

Lasaz feels like some weird combo/value piece. The fact that you have to play the full cost to copy means he just says "you can cast creatures from your graveyard, but only one at a time" Neat creature but not really pushed
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>>61990460
I'd cost it at 1R honestly, compare with Sure Strike.
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>>61990422
There is maximum velocity.
It plus two drop mentor turn 3 and you've got a chain rolling.
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>>61990455
You say that, and yet there's been a metric ton of Elves in both Green guilds. Even the Knight tokens are Elves.
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I just wanted Boros to have Battlecry. Was that too much to ask for?
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>>61990467
That might be the most overpowered magic card of all time.
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>>61990517
Is that different from Preordain?
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>>61990467
A good Opt, so yes.

>>61990517
:::::::::::::^^^^^^^^^^^^^))))))))))))
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I think my biggest problem with Boros is the absolute lack of any "+1/+1 counter matters" card
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>>61990544
Not even Kappa'ing. Imagine what a card like that would do for Mardu or Jund in modern. It's wildy overpowered.
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>>61989292
THE AROMA
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>>61990308
we haven't played with the cards yet, we can't say with any authority if it has "issues"
>>61990467
that'd probably be playable in older formats. One mana card filtering is fucking strong, plus potentialy two cards in the graveyard. Deaths shadow in legacy and modern. Gurmag in pauper.
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>>61989526
Don't worry, Gruul is safe from being blacked since they're the most savage of the guilds. If they had any prominent blacks it'd be racist
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>>61990327
Probably androgyny
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>>61990619
trap elves pls
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>>61990602
>Proceeds to get the Black Panther treatment and everything on Gruul becomes WEWU. Alongside their guild becoming literal Wakanda.

Oh man...
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Why is Wizards pushing Aurelia so hard when her defining trait is that she did literally fucking nothing but be a colossal bitch to Feather.

If based Krenko hadn't broken her out then Aurelia would have been responsible for killing one of the people who saved the entire fucking plane, not to mention that every single surviving firemane angel is a mana clone of Feather because the Dimir made them all but extinct with their ghost army.

Give Feather a spark and make her a good boros Planeswalker and commander and I will eat my goddamn shoes
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>>61989780

… Had?

Wild Cantor basically fits in with that stuff, just with more hair.

/shrug.
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>>61989048
why doesnt it just say "you may discard your hand"?
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>>61990697
>Vedalken looks more like a nigger then the nigger
WE
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>>61990713
People in the Future Future League kept cutting their hands off whenever it dealt damage, so they had to clarify
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>>61990697
>tfw no cute biomancer gf
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>>61990676
>pushing

I wouldn't call what they're doing pushing desu
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>>61990713

Discard your hand. and draw cards equal to the cards you discarded.


discard all cards in your hand, and draw that many cards.


seems slightly shorter to do it the way they do it.
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>>61990713
huh. maybe that's their new standard. they've been changing standard templating a lot lately
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so dovin/gemonetry lady for azorious, vraska for golgari, ral for izzet, and kaya for orzhov. am i missing any?
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>>61990697
>that brunette in the middle
HELLOOOOOOO SIMIC NURSE
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>>61990817
never mind this guy has it >>61990788
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>>61987599
Alita?
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>>61987364
>mechanically less interesting Nivix Cyclops
alright
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>>61990740
kek
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>>61990840
Wouldn’t Rakdos be Bolas’d because of their nihilistic nature?
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>>61990885
bolas is too organized i dont think he would want a loose cannon like the rakdos working with him, also i dont think the rakdos would like being told what to do
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>>61990885
Would be too obvious & boring.
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>>61990840
>>61990885
Tibalt leading Rakdos
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>>61990885
Kinda the opposite. Their anarchistic culture, random (not Izzet random but "sporadic acts of carnage" random) behavior, and highly disorganized structure would make it really hard for Bolas to effectively co-opt them. Unless he tried to assume Direct Control of Rakdos himself.

>>61990740
Ravnican Vedalken have always had broad, flat noses and big lips. They're kinda fishlike.
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>>61990676
I have no idea of who Feather is, but from what I’ve heard she sounds like one badass angel lady. Maybe for the third GOR set they might make her to fight Bolas during the last minute? Imagine what a twist, the Gatewatch is all defeated, and Nicol is about to win, suddenly Feather bursts out of the Boros forge halls with a fire-helix enflamed Morningstar and just beats the living shit out of Bolas
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>>61990949
i love this art
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>>61990885
Does Rakdos have his intelligence and wicked sense of humor?
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>>61989802
I like these design but to me they look more Mad Max II villains or Fallout raiders than Gruul.
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>>61990840
Domri or Ramaz with the Gruul. Tibbles for Rakdos if they go that way, but Gruul feels more likely.
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>>61990936
that would actually kinda fit cause hes part devil and loves pain, tortures anyone he wants and hes red but im pretty sure sorin beat his ass
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>>61990949
Well since Rakdos is a demon and Bolas knows a few things about demon contracts I’m sure he could trick and manipulate him into doing Nicol’s dirty work by keeping the other guilds busy anyway
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>>61989016
Play Tolsimir instead.
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>>61988483
Better not be, I hate blackulas.
Every other creature type IDGAF but vampires gotta be pale pasty fucks.
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>>61990676
>Give Feather a spark and make her a good boros Planeswalker and commander
>implying she wouldn't be combat matters commander no. 97
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>>61991004
Lord Rakdos doesn't do contracts. Rakdos' idea of a negotiation is "entertain me or entertain myself by animating your intestines inside of you"

>>61991043
You're too late there,
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>>61987885
For fuck sake, one strong black woman assassin in the block wasn't enough?
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EW
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>>61990885
Rakdos provide entertainment for Ravnica, and thus are actually part of the system and probably wouldn't want it torn down. I also don't think rakdos would be willing to work with Bolas. I'm thinking Gruul are actually gonna ally themselves with him. Hardest part there is believing Domri Rade would be the leader of the gruul.
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>>61989102
An Advokist is just a Ravnican lawyer. There are probably thousands of them.
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>>61987364
Isn't that the robot from that green black kill spell?
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>>61991125
Rade is lame. I just want a more playable Bobbyridgeuhmuss
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>>61991156
It's yet another Nivix Cyclops.
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>>61991156
That guy and/or guys like him are all over a lot of cards. Nivix Cyclops, Abrupt Decay, that card, and another new card called Erratic Cyclops.
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>>61991125
bolas may be able to manipulate some individuals (maro said there's some amount of Bolas influence even in the guilds not aligned with him - see Tajic), but in the end he won't be able to get Rakdos himself on his side. He's an ancient murder demon an I can't imagine him listening to ANYTHING someone else wants to tell him.
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>>61990885
>>61991004
The Rakdos don't actually follow Rakdos, they contain him. And the demon himself is the least demonic demon in the multiverse, he's more like a massive overpowered cat who just wants to sleep and fuck shit up. Fitting for the slavic plane.

Orzhov wouldn't follow Bolas either, but since they gotta punish us for objectifying Teysa's tiddies for years I expect a completely revamped all bhurkas all the time Orzhov with zero mafia church undertones and a lot of Spook Killa wanking.
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>>61989526
They’ll probably be a bunch of screeching samuts
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>>61987885
Having a hood but no clothes to cover her shoulders makes her look retarded.
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>>61987885
ummm… hello, wotc? objectification much?!?!?
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>>61990817
no, i think youre right, thats the new standard or has been since the first Innistrad
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>>61991222
When it's on a black woman t's EMPOWERMENT not objectification. They have to show off her skin so you know she's black
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>>61990840
Izzet
Golgari
Azorius
Rakdos
Orzhov

My take on the Bolased guilds.
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>start altering cards turning nonwhite people white
>offer your services on Reddit and Tumblr
>enjoy the butthurt
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>>61991268
This wouldn't be color balanced. Not that I think WotC necessarily cares, but it's the kind of autistic shit they do sometimes implement just because.
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>>61990356
Even better, they'll be salamanders black
>THE BLACKEST
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>>61991222
the key with having sexy characters in 2018 is to make them seem in control. you can show sexy doms but not sexy subs.
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>>61991189
They're still going to be mafia. They might even be MORE mafia. Remember they're leaning really hard into city tropes (NOT slavic tropes, that's mostly just an aesthetic, at least now. I don't think there was that much even before sides names though I remember someone say Dark Heart of the Woods was some reference to a slavic thing), and having a mafia is definitely a trope. It's like how Kaladesh isn't an india plane, it's a steampunk plane with indian stuff as its aesthetic.
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gruul, golgari azorious izzet orzhov
color balanced and makes sense flavor wise with the planeswalkers and the guilds themselves
the thopters on the gates support baan taking over azorious
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>>61990697
>No more weird biomodifications

Lame! more crab claws and tentacle arms.
I gues sthey are supposed to look like doctors or something? idk, the design is quite boring compared to the old ones imo.
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>>61991268
Replace Rakdos with gruul and you'll bé correct
Makes a full chart
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>>61991316
If they cared about color balancing this time around, they wouldn't have Vraska be a Bolas plant.
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>>61991316
That is the exact kind of autism they care about, yeah. Which means if you take
>>61991268
and replace Rakdos with Gruul, you get a perfectly balanced bolas-infected set of guilds, and a perfectly balanced non-traitorous set.
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>>61991268
We know Kaya and Domri are in so that means Orzhov and Gruul are Bolas'd.

Azorious having their leader killed by a Bolas Agent implies they will get a new walker leader.
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>>61991389
They explicitly have MORE "weird biomodifications". One of the character design sheets is showing a new subset of Simic called supersoldiers which are basically guys like on that shitty hybrid simic card up there. They'll probably still have krasis too.
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>>61991403
I don't think we know Domri is in yet, and Kaya MIGHT be in the third set, which would therefore rule out Orzhov from falling under Bolas rule.
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>>61991415
Mmmm, interesting
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>>61991343
But hey wait I thought the Orzhov Church of Deals was more like a creepy extortion religion of money and slavery? When did they go mafia instead of Evil Joel Osteen?
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>>61991457
They've always been mafia
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>>61991457
The church was always just how they lured people into them. It's mostly nowadays just an aesthetic since you can't just have literal debt collectors in black suits and shit so they're just called "sin collectors" and dress like priests.. They definitely were never like evil Joel Osteen.
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>>61991397
>That is the exact kind of autism they care about
They care about it sometimes. Some sets don't even balance the gold cards at uncommon according to the individual colors, and it's not particularly unusual for set themes to be unevenly distributed across the colors.
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would you play a 1 coloreless mana “draw 1”?
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>>61991389
these are just two styleguide pages. I have no doubt krasis etc. will be back.
I like the lab coat aesthetic for the biomancers, makes them look serious, calm and calculating in contrast to the frantic izzet.
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>>61991517
No
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>>61991517
Would still be the best cantrip Boros has access to.
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>>61991506
They're already splitting the guilds such that there's five 'good' and five 'bad', with a bunch of other dumb stuff.
Of fucking course they're going to make sure the 'good' ones and 'bad' ones are color balanced here.
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>>61991521
Shame they colored the shittiest one
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>>61991403
Implying they'll allow one of their strong female of color walkers to be evil.
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>>61991457
>>61991494
>>61991478
They're all three. Equal parts Evil Catholics, Mafiosos and Greedy Bankers. They manage Ravnica's mints and finance a majority of the businesses on the plane, running an extortion/protection racket on them. But at the same time they're also very religion focused, because the Church gets them money and power for free. They used to be an actual, legit cult religion at one point, but now it's hollow devotion and ceremony to keep their supplicants in line.
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>>61991521
I wonder if Simic could be the bad guys? Making the simic create supersoldiers seems like something Bolas would make them do, but maybe they're just what they're going to use fight eternals.
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>>61991612
I think it's going to be the latter. I haven't been able to think of a promise or something Bolas could really lure them (or Zegana/whatever their current leader is) with.
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>>61990585

I think Mentor will work pretty well in Limited, but I have a feeling in Constructed it'll suffer from what Battalion and Rally (Not specifically Boros but R/W was a common color for people that tried Allies) suffered from. Disruption easily stopped both of those mechanics cold and it looks like it'll do the same to Mentor. But I do think a person building Boros in Limited could easily stomp face with a few Mentors pumping up a little squad to an imposing kill team.
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>>61988258
It would be so much better if it were an instant for 1 more. Or just an instant, it’s not like it’s OP or anything.
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>>61991769

Dealing 3 damage to each creature for 3 is perfectly on curve for red. Just look at Shatterstorm. This just also has another mode where it gains you a bunch of life when you swing.
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>>61987885
Looks remarkably like the pro wrestler ember moon!
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>>61991268

I'm gonna guess it's all of those but Gruul instead of Rakdos.

One, the Rakdos and Dimir have both been malign shits in both prior visits but not the actual villain causing problems either time, so I think the Rakdos are going to play against type the same way the Dimir seem to by not being cartoonishly evil this time around and actually helping out.

Two, Rakdos is an idiot but he's still one of the strongest bastards on the plane and his followers are a cult rather than a tribe bound by his strength. I feel like while neither of them could possibly take Bolas, Bolas would have a much easier time knocking down Borby and proclaiming "what I say goes now," and the Gruul will follow while the Rakdos would not fall in line so well.

Three, while they are unpleasant giggling sweatgoblins whose continued existence is a threat to every INDIVIDUAL person in Ravnica, the Rakdos have, in their own special way, kept the city as a whole safe by keeping Rakdos entertained so he doesn't skull-fuck the plane. The Gruul are actually pretty OK with the plane getting skull-fucked at this point.
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>>61991517
There'd be applications for it somewhere. Adds a card to your graveyard. Storm count.
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>>61988175
Is that Merula? God damn, she's everywhere.
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>>61992009
The Dimir were very much causing problems the first time around, even if it was Azorius pulling the strings.

Agreed otherwise, Gruul seems like a guild ripe for coopting. I also think Orzhov are going to be a Bolas guild. Bolas can offer Teysa exactly what she wants by getting rid of the Ghost Council.
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>>61990492
WR maybe.
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>tfw just want Boros to be good for once

hold me bros
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>>61992164
And then kill her off since she's such a popular waifu
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>>61992598
Lool everyone, a Borosfag! Point and laugh! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FOOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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>>61987778
With art like this shit I was doubting wizards could event print good looking black girls.
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>>61990713
Dude that's ableistic as fuck, think of all the handless people
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>>61992598
m-maybe next Ravnica will be different
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>>61993000

Is that supposed to be a black angel? Isn't Intervention supposed to show Aurelia??
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>>61990133
Lazav is SO shit
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>>61993000
It looks like the artist just stamped that head onto the body, hideous.
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>>61993165
He's the only decent commander of the bunch tho
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>>61993000
HAhaha what are you telling me this isn't a shop? That's the worst thing I've seen in a while and I just watched those mexican cartel videos
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>>61993000
Whose clone is that, because every single angel in the setting is a Feather clone.
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>>61993312
Clearly they hired the Simic to alter some clones. Then they left some in the oven too long
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>>61993312
>allowing something as petty as canon to restrict diversity
it's like you want the nazis to win
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>>61991517
In limited? Sure, it's a cheaper version of cycling that counts as casting something for any prowess like effects. It would be a hard sell at sorcery but I'd likely play it at instant. In constructed I'd have to be playing a dedicated storm deck or something but a 'free' cantrip with Electromancer would be playable.
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>>61993201
Really makes the almonds tick.
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>>61987885
Shit. Dimir being assassins in this set feels a lot like "ninjas" in Naruto. Actively making stealth characters flashy is stupid.

Designwise she is unremarkable and looks identical to a bunch of other generic dimir creatures. This is the case with a number of legendary creatures though so maybe her story/plot significance will give her some identity. Given the terrible mary-sue writing that Wizards seems to enjoy lately I'm not very optimistic about that though.
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>>61993457
Wizards will never write well again. When your response to low book sales is to quit making them instead of firing your head writer, you're clearly choosing nepotism over profits
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So what does everyone think about GRN limited? This set looks fun to draft, and I'm not typically a person that cares about draft.
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>>61991002
That wasn't even a story it was just a duel deck where everybody assumed it happened. Tibalt never actually appeared in a WOTC story.
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>>61991769

It'd be a lot better if more Boros creatures could survive it.
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>>61993633
It actually looks like it will be a great limited environment. The restrictive casting costs are being a bit overstated with how easily you should be able to snatch up a few guild gates or lockets, each color has at least a couple functional low rarity removal spells, mentor aside, the other guild mechanics all feed into eachother nicely, etc. Looks fun so far, though I know I'm going to be forcing Dimir like a motherfucker for that tasty, tasty surveil value.
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>>61987428

She looks good because she has white features
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I wonder what the art description on a lot of cards looks like when wotc demands them to be black, assuming it is for characters that arent already pre-existing as black.

>"Draw this really cool soldier, etc etc oh yeah its black"

I Just wonder how forced it feels for the artists
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>>61993823
>broad flat nose
>big lips
>nigger hair
I'm not seeing it
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>>61993633
I'm mostly bummed out over some of these Boros cards, but outside of that it looks quite fun.
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>>61993973
In limited Boros is going to be a lot better than people are acting.

Now the 3/1 mentor is actively bad, but Bodyguard, Barg Serg, and Parhelion Patrol are all good at common, and the 2 uncommon 2 drops are quite good.
The big thing will be getting at least one of those 2 power ones up to power 3 to start up a chain, which isn't that hard.
If you can get a chain going you'll be getting all your early drops up dangerous, and if they slow you down you can recover because those early drops become good top decks when you can be putting multiple counters on them quickly.
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>>61991521
I like the Crab Hands
I really need more of that for future characters
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>>61994058
We'll see, I guess, but that's the same kind of logic people were using for that shitty buff your hand mechanic in hearthstone
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>>61994058
being good in Limited/Standard when the meta is lower power isn't consoling
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>>61994339
>caring about non-rotating formats

Enjoy being constantly disappointed I guess.
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>>61989789
I sure hope so
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>>61987428
Static shock?
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>>61994058
Maybe. I just get the sinking feeling thats it's really going to end up more as midrange than aggro
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>>61987428

I like this Guildmage a lot. It's also one of the few colored girls in the past few sets who looks serious but also not attrociously ugly at the same time so props to the artist.
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>>61994479
Do you define aggro by the retarded definition of "if turn 5 hits you've lost 90% of the time. Anything else is midrange".
Because that level of aggro just doesn't happen in limited outside of original zendikar.
You will want a curve centered on 2 because mentor means you want creatures those mentors can benefit, and outside of the one with haste they've all been 4 or less mana.

In constructed, they probably won't be full RDW aggro. Boros aggro has always been about having reach after the aggro falters. Rakdos was the 'must win by turn 5' guild.
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>>61989888
I love her, and want to use her so bad, especially after I opened one at the prerelease, but have never been able to make her work.

How do I make her work in either modern or commander, anons?
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>>61994819
RUG +1/+1 is a fun commander theme with solid support.
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>>61990133
A really important thing to remember is that you'll get the pump the turn Aurelia enters the battlefield, not when she can first attack. That is going to mean a lot in both limited and constructed. It's almost a pseudo-haste effect, really.





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