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Sergeant York Edition

Previous thread: >>62307541

Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.

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>H&C Megatrove
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>Advanced Squad Leader
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Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead
The Face Of Battle
Swordpoint
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October the 8th in military history:

314 – Constantine I defeats Roman Emperor Licinius, who loses his European territories.
1480 – The "Great Stand" on the Ugra river puts an end to Tartar rule over Moscow.
1573 – End of the Spanish siege of Alkmaar, the first Dutch victory in the Eighty Years' War.
1821 – The Peruvian Navy is established during the War of Independence.
1856 – The Second Opium War between several Western powers and China begins with the Arrow Incident.
1862 – American Civil War: The Confederate invasion of Kentucky is halted at the Battle of Perryville.
1879 – War of the Pacific: The Chilean Navy defeats the Peruvian Navy in the Battle of Angamos.
1895 – Korean Empress Myeongseong is assassinated by Japanese infiltrators.
1912 – The First Balkan War begins when Montenegro declares war against the Ottoman Empire.
1918 – World War I: Corporal Alvin C. York kills 28 German soldiers and captures 132, winning the Medal of Honor.
1941 – World War II: German forces reach the Sea of Azov with the capture of Mariupol.
1943 – World War II: Around 30 civilians are executed by Friedrich Schubert's paramilitary group in Kallikratis, Crete.
1944 – World War II: The Battle of Crucifix Hill occurs just outside Aachen.
1962 – Der Spiegel publishes an article disclosing the sorry state of the Bundeswehr, and is soon accused of treason.
1967 – Guerrilla leader Che Guevara and his men are captured in Bolivia.
1973 – Yom Kippur War: Israel loses more than 150 tanks in a failed attack on Egyptian-occupied positions.
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Today marks a century since Alvin York won his Medal of Honor for leading an attack on a German machine gun nest, taking 35 machine guns, killing at least 25 enemy soldiers and capturing 132. The action occurred during the United States-led portion of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive in France, which was intended to breach the Hindenburg line and force the Germans to surrender.

York was born in rural Tennessee. His parents farmed, and his father worked as a blacksmith. The eleven York children had minimal schooling because they helped provide for the family, which included hunting, fishing, and hiring out as laborers. Despite being a regular churchgoer, York also drank heavily and was prone to fistfights. After a 1914 conversion experience, he vowed to improve and became even more devoted to the Church of Christ in Christian Union. York was drafted during World War I; he initially claimed conscientious objector status on the grounds that his religious denomination forbade violence. Persuaded that his religion was not incompatible with military service, York joined the 82nd Division as an infantry private and went to France in 1918.

In October 1918, as a newly-promoted corporal, York was one of a group of seventeen soldiers assigned to infiltrate German lines and silence a machine gun position. After the American patrol had captured a large group of enemy soldiers, German small arms fire killed six Americans and wounded three. York was the highest ranking of those still able to fight, so he took charge. While his men guarded the prisoners, York attacked the machine gun position, dispatching several German soldiers with his rifle before running out of ammunition. Six German soldiers charged him with bayonets, and York drew his pistol and killed them all. The German officer responsible for the machine gun position had emptied his pistol while firing at York but failed to hit him.
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>>62384212
The officer, First Lieutenant Paul Jürgen Vollmer, commander of the First Battalion, 120th Landwehr Infantry, then offered in English to surrender the unit to York, who accepted. By the end of the engagement, York and his seven men marched 132 German prisoners back to the American lines. Upon returning to his unit, York reported to his brigade commander, Brigadier General Julian Robert Lindsey, who remarked "Well York, I hear you have captured the whole damn German army." York replied "No sir. I got only 132." His actions silenced the German machine guns and were responsible for enabling the 328th Infantry to renew its attack to capture the Decauville Railroad.

York was promptly promoted to Sergeant and received the Distinguished Service Cross. A few months later, an investigation by York's chain of command resulted in an upgrade of his Distinguished Service Cross to the Medal of Honor, which was presented by the commanding general of the American Expeditionary Forces, General John J. Pershing. The French Republic awarded him the Croix de Guerre, the Medaille Militaire and the Legion of Honour. When decorating York with the Croix de Guerre, Marshal Ferdinand Foch told York "What you did was the greatest thing accomplished by any soldier of all the armies of Europe."

In addition to his French medals, Italy awarded York the Croce al Merito di Guerra and Montenegro decorated him with its War Medal. He eventually received nearly 50 decorations from twelve nations. In attempting to explain his actions during the 1919 investigation that resulted in the Medal of Honor, York told General Lindsey "A higher power than man guided and watched over me and told me what to do." Lindsey replied "York, you are right."
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After Armistice Day, a group of Tennessee businessmen purchased a farm for York, his new wife, and their growing family. York refused many offers to profit from his fame, including thousands of dollars offered for appearances, product endorsements and newspaper articles. Instead, he lent his name to various charitable and civic causes. He later formed a charitable foundation to improve educational opportunities for children in rural Tennessee. In the 1930s and 1940s, York worked as a project superintendent for the Civilian Conservation Corps and managed construction of the Byrd Lake reservoir at Cumberland Mountain State Park, after which he served for several years as park superintendent. A 1941 film about his World War I exploits, Sergeant York, was that year's highest-grossing film; Gary Cooper won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of York, and the film was credited with enhancing American morale as the US mobilized for action in World War II. In his later years, York was confined to bed by health problems. He died in Nashville, Tennessee, in 1964 and was buried at Wolf River Cemetery in his hometown of Pall Mall.

It's not hard to imagine the skirmish game possibilities of York's action, or indeed of any famous medal-winning firefight. (I think every skirmish wargamer can recall a time when one of their little dudes pulled a Sergeant York and won them eternal glory to be retold around the table for years to come). It's at that point where wargames and RPGs can merge and create a real storytelling experience.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/york.html
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5996ru592ttyfey/Osprey+-+WAR+079+-+US+Doughboy+1916-19.pdf
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Our new community challenge is "artillery"
Great contributions last time, let's keep this going!
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Post your favourite /hwg/ badass too, if you like
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=226903017899
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>>62384241
When my father was going through basic in preparation for his Korean War duty, Sgt York was MANDATORY viewing by all recruits.
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>>62384285
Yakov Pavlov, while exaggerated, I love the story
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>>62384971
cool story brah. seriously.
since we talking about dads in army and movies: back in late 80's when "Platoon" was realesed here in Poland, before screening it in cinemas, some copies went to military units(including my dad's) where "culture and education officer"(which was sorta like more friendly version of soviet commissar) showed this movie to soldiers as a example how us army fight a war, doesn't respect rights of civilians and regulations and all things bad in contrary to Warsaw Pact soldier that were made grom pure gold, save children, feed puppies, are salvation to the world and other Marx and Lenin bullshit.
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>>62384606
It works well with 20mm; all The Tactical Painter's CoC stuff is 20mm http://thetacticalpainter.blogspot.com/

>>62382092
FAA miniatures, SHQ and Early War Miniatures all make Belgians in 20mm.
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>>62385410
Sounds much like a professor I once had...had a framed photo of Chairman Mao in his office
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BMP
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Does anyone have any hex and chit games on the Ukrainian Civil War worth looking into? In scale I prefer strategic, hopefully solitaire, but tactical and operational work well too.
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>>62385410
>feed puppies

Well I laughed...
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>>62388480
That's a nice table
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>>62388491
Mark Luther on Flikr I believe...great stuff in 1/285.
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>>62388543
Yeah, not everything he does looks great but there's some interesting things going on there.
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>>62388393
Not really, but you can find more political-focused ones
See PDF related

>>62384971
>>62385410
I have heard that officer cadets at West Point watch Platoon as a cautionary tale in their training
The incompetent Lieutenant Wolfe is used as an example of how NOT to be an infantry officer
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>>62389728
Oh, I know that one, it's just kinda hard to play it on Vassal on your own.
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>>62388393
There a tactical game about Donetsk airport
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/231303/donetsk-battle-airfield

Between that and >>62389728
I think we've about covered 100% of what's out there.
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So I'm going to buy a copy of Stealth Invasion on Friday, anyone want it shared here?
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>>62390056
Oh, fun stuff. Looks like I'm designing my own, then.
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>>62390342
Looking forward to seeing it when you get done.
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Requesting a PDF scan of GDW's Operation Market Garden.
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Am I just bad at searching, or do we not have 1985: Beneath an Iron Sky here?
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Is it just me, or are plastic WWII Finns thin on the ground? Hell, WWII Finns period seems thin on the ground.
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>>62388393

DG's Modern War magazine, Issue #34
Opaque War: Ukraine 2014
It's about 40USD without shipping.

consimworld has a discussion thread about it. I don't know about BGG.
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>>62391686
woah the thumbnail looks like a ww1 british tank
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>>62393196
weird i thought exactly the same thing
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Anyone have Basic Impetus 2?
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Another "True-PDF" file to add to the trove.

Good book on US subs in WW2.
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>>62392198
We do not, but now I certainly wish we did
Is it perhaps in our marvellous hex&chit trove?

>>62392763
It's strange because Finns have always been such a popular 'minor' faction for WW2 players
Strelets do 1/72 Finns for both the Winter and Continuations Wars; the sculpts are a little underwhelming
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>>62384285
Charles Upham is why, despite how good a film it is, i watch saving private ryan in a state of low-grade rage.
All the names in the world and you name your fuckup after the only combat soldier to win the vc twice? Eat a dick spielberg.
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>>62394942
>Eat a dick spielberg.
Why would Steven Spielberg do something so gay?
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>>62394776
Thank you, anon!
>>62394825
Guess I'll try to lobby for 1/72 in the local scene. Shouldn't be a huge problem, luckily.
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>>62394942
I'm pretty sure the *point* was to emphasize how much of a retarded fuck-up he is by having people compare him directly to the other Upham
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>>62395588
Of course: Spielberg prefers children.
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Anyone know what category of cavalry the Westphalian Chevau-léger Regiments fall into?
I've seen sources state that they are guard, lancers and medium cavalry.
Which one is it?
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Look at this, conflicting images even.
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>>62396991
They are all three, anon
Guard is an honour title and not a classification, guard cavalry could include a variety of types
Lancers can be classified as medium cavalry, but that 'medium' distinction doesn't really apply in Napoleonic terms, usually lancers were considered light
Typically dragoons were usually considered the 'medium' interim
Only the front rank of a lancer regiment actually carried lances in battle, the majority used light cavalry swords as seen in your second pic; also he's an officer so he wouldn't have carried a lance
So yes, you could say they are "Guard medium Lancers"
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>>62393196
>>62393885

Me too. At first glance, the missing section of the bridge implies the rhomboid shape and the truck on the bridge resembles the "pilot house". At first, I thought it might have been a pics of one of the disabled and a partially disassembled tank on the battlefield.

>>62396404

Quoted for truth. Ever read the transcript of that early "Indiana Jones" script conference between him, Lucas, and some other 3rd Hollywood asshole? They wanted Marion to be a preteen girl when she and Indy were first fooling around and have her in her mid-teens when they meet at the bar she owns.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know that about the lancers. Is that a continuing principle?

Reason for it is that I've been fixing up a wargaming army list that mirrors the 4th corp at the 1809 battle of talavera.

Have had a lot of fun doing the research. Picked up Cornwell's book even.
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>>62393144

Another Modern War issue featured a game called "New World Order" which includes a hypothetical Russian/NATO fight in Kiev. They've also asked for votes/feedback on a proposed Ukraine expansion for MW's "Combat Veteran" platoon-level rules.
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>>62396991
WTF
German from Westphalia here

While the french chevauxlegers where medium cavalry, westphalian and bergian chevauxlegers where basically the west german form of the uhlan and acted like light cavalry

>>62397123

Westphalian and Bergian lancers are considered light cavalry
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>>62397232
>Is that a continuing principle?

What? That they were considered "light" or that not all of them carried lances?
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>>62397232
I think it was a campaign thing but I certainly couldn't be sure if it was standard practice
It was for French Guard lancers, at least
If you're wondering about fitting them in a wargame context, then any decent Napoleonic ruleset will have some kind of "Guard Lancer" category you can use, or at least just make them elite light horse
I wondered why you were asking after the Westphalians; back when the BAOR was based in Paderborn and had lots of wargamers in the ranks, the Westphalians were a popular choice for a Napoleonic army because of the local connection
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>>that not all of them carried lances?

This
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>>62397339

It depended on the time and the army in question. There's no easy, spergish, binary, yes/no, "It was always this way", simple minded answer.
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>>62397339

Wrong for Wesphalian lancers
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As a fan of this painting, I was looking for an army that was stationed in spain at some point.

And as a Pole, I wanted a list with Lancers.
That Talavera battle, was what wikipedia came up with.
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>>62397513
Gosh Poleanon you have the whole Vistula Legion to play with, if you want Lancers in Spain!
At Albuera in 1811 they caught three British battalions in line in the open after a sudden rainstorm rendered their muskets useless, and did terrible carnage
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>>62397315
>>62397232
>>62397173
>>62397123
>>62397010
>>62396991
>>62397391


See this post >>62397297

Also Westphalia had Chevauxleger-Lancier which where ONLY in name chevauxleger, west german chevauxleger where basically uhlans with lances as weapons
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Noob after advice
I'm just about to make the leap from 15mm to 6mm wwii, plan is to use the IABSM rules
>My question
How big do you guys make your team/squad/section bases in 6mm?
My understanding is that in real life, each man is spaced from his colleagues by 5-10m, so even at 6mm, doing realistic spacing is just not going to be possible, maybe not even desirable (might look silly)
Do you just stick a team on say a 2p coin? On a FoW base? Maybe put a whole section on a lollypop stick? Round or square bases?
IABSM probably suits round bases more as measurements are usually done from the center of a model, but hey open to suggestions
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Does anyone know if there was a french equivalent of the 95th.
Essentially, a french skirmishing regiment that used rifles?
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>>62397774

Not, not with rifles,

but they had Regiments with Tiralleurs ( Light Infantry ) and ( Chasseurs fast sharpshooting skirmishers )

early voltigeurs where company sized independent skirmishers and flankers but later they where doing flanking duties for chasseur and tiralleur battallions
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>>62397774
Napoleon was famously down on rifles
The consensus is he saw no use for them in a mass conscript army
There is some apocryphal quote where he compares rifles to women as being "too fussy and demanding"
The French didn't employ light infantry tactics to the full extent some other armies did
To the best of my knowledge, the only time two rifle-armed units came up against each other in the Napoleonic Wars was in Denmark in 1807, when the Kongens Livjaeger Corps defended a manorhouse against the 2/95th
The unlucky Danes lost a quarter of their strength in the battle
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Would I be a doofus if I ask a manufacturer if they can prime the minis before shipping them?
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>>62397513
When did Napoleon commit genocide on the Neanderthals?
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>>62398034
While it's true that Napoleon didn't use rifles, he did understand the importance of light infantry. The french where some of the first to develop "modern" skirmishing tactics.

Not using rifles where actually quite sound given the technology of the day. Rifles took a lot of time to load, and the process was way more complicated than loading a musket. You had to have a small piece of cloth to hold the ball and then ram it all down the barrel with a little hammer, stuff that's not easy to due when under fire. Muskets where easier to use, didn't require a lot of special training and equipment that could get lost, and had almost the double the rate of fire.
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>>62398193
Peninsular war.
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>>62398177
why would they do that though? They are not a painting service. And priming minis without cleaning them first doesn't make sense.

I mean you can try, but it's definitely a bit peculiar.
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Anyone ever play fivecore or related in tabletop simulator?
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>>62398307
What about the nationes allied/subdued with/by him?
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>>62398193

Hurr durr Goya sux derp herp
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>>62398193
>>62398405
And at Waterloo...
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>>62398837
Should I contact a painting service and have my order shipped to them for priming?
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>>62398961
I wouldn't

It's not that hard to do. Take a spray can and have a go at it. Shouldn't take you more than a few minutes once all models are blu-tacked to some surface...

On the other hand. It's your money. Do with it as you like.
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>>62398961
What is preventing you from grabbing a can of primer and doing it yourself?
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>>62398177
Yes

>>62398961
No
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>>62399015
Probably laziness...
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>>62399001
>>62399034
Maybe because I live in one of the wettest and moist areas in my country while also not having a garage to spray in :^)
>>62399034
Dumbo.
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>>62399172
may be worth it to consider investing in an airbrush then.
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>>62399237
I have, sadly it's not possible at the moment. I suppose I'll just have to get a brush primer and slave away.
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>>62399172
>Maybe because I live in one of the wettest and moist areas in my country while also not having a garage to spray in :^)
I'll take "what is brush on primer? for 200"
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>>62399237
Don't bother. When they go down this road of asking here whether they should ask a manufacturer to prime things for them instead of figuring it out for themselves and then get belligerant when others point out other options...
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>>62399272
I've used GW brush primer before but that shit is trash, think I'll try Vallejo instead.
>>62399274
Where was I belligerant? Maybe you should get thicker skin if being called a dumbo hurts this much ;^)))))))
Seriously, you're a toxic shitposter who did not offer any constructive advice. I've been posting here for ages and posted my work to a receptive crowd.
I believe that /hwg/ might be better off without the constant grog toxicity and hostility.
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>>62394825
Looked through the trove: it's not there!
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>>62399363
>I've used GW brush primer before but that shit is trash, think I'll try Vallejo instead.
I use Vallejo and it's great.
But I don't paint at a high volume of productivity - so brush on primer doesn't bottleneck me like it might some people.
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>>62399363
You need to get hold of a good sense truckload. It'll do you good. Shitposting is what you did with your first question...
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>>62399172
Try painting on Gesso.

Don't thin it with water though if you do, the stuff shrinks down as it dries anyway and water causes it to froth. I've had to use it for a lot of models due to crap weather for undercoating. Works out pretty cost effective too, especially if using it on terrain, just eats more time than spraying.
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>>62400205
>still being assblasted about a simple question
>>62400225
Thanks for the tip.
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Anyone want to play Axis and Allies?

>>62400504
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>>62399172

I just open a window and spray into a cardboard box with a cheap painting mask on then leave the room for half an hour
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>>62400624
I bet you snort resin.
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>>62400668

??

Sorry for trying to help.
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>>62366977
Newmarket anon, the only central place I know of that has the people playing any kind of 15mm historical is Sword and board Toronto.

There will be a flames of war tourney there nov 3rd, if you want to get in touch with that community check out the store's event feed on facebook.
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>>62400702
It's a joke concerning the safety of your priming practice. Resin causes cancer yet many of us ignore the safety precautions.
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>>62400773

Priming in a painters mask in a ventillated room and then leaving the room?

About as safe as you're going to get desu...
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>>62400804
It's still inside and not as well ventilated as outdoors, not that I'm dissing you.
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>>62400918
Then just open a fucking window, and spray outside.

Jesus fucking Christ, how are you people even alive? Instead of fucking complaining, just THINK.
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>>62400918

I find cold, crisp conditions best but I live in an apartment building now and priming outside is just a pain in the ass.
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>>62400988

I wonder this myself often when talking to people online. A lot of guys these days seem to be really helpless.
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>>62397743
It's really what you or your group like best. As long as both side use the same style so neither is at a disadvantage with templates or other situations where area matters.

I personally use squares with rounded off corners from Litko but I rather like the look of the round bases used by >>62388543
>>62388575
Some rules sets will want you to be able to indicate which way a squad is facing to determine flank attacks which is easier to do with square or rectangular bases but a dot of paint or small rock on the front of a round base can serve this purpose. I think most rules sets with 6mm in mind that I've seen use equant rather than rectangular shapes so squares/circles will be more universally applicable but again as long as both sides are using the same size/shape it doesn't matter too much.
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>>62385921
Any idea what's going on here? Movie set?
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>>62393196
Yeah does look like a Mk IV now that you guys bring it up
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>>62400624
Or box with a side cut out and a cheap box fan stuck in the hole venting to outside
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>>62390056
>tfw East Cleveland looks more war-torn than an actual warzone
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>>62398177
>>62400996

Get Vallejo airbrush primer and apply it with a regular paintbrush.
Its easy and if you thin it a bit you wont see a difference.
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>>62401482
That's what you get for living in Cleveland. Look on the bright side, at least it's not Detroit.
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>>62400205
>....
Boomer go back to Facebook
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>>62400729
Thanks anon. I'll see about them. I've never done 15mm, but options are options.
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>>62401556
>reply about Cleveland sucking is a joke and not preaching about the fall of western civilization
I knew there was a reason I liked this thread.
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>>62401556
Well, they look like an average gypsy infested street from my city.
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A few posts back, someone asked for some AAR on our FLAC games. We are still testing the waters, but we are really liking this game.

More details soon. We have a big game planned this week.

Currently we are using our collection of WoG-WW2 (1:200 scale) planes, but a few members in the club want to play using their 1:144 scale model planes.
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>>62400988
I simply told a joke that was not meant to belittle you.
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>>62401662
Hey, you guys are alright. Ohio's a fun place (something something muh astronauts muh presidents muh union generals), shame I'm still carless so I can't go anywhere.
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So, fellow bote-fags:
I'm looking for a source on a Patapsco-Class fast oiler (AOG - AKA the T1-MT-M1 tanker, for gasoline transport). Been looking for a couple of days, but I keep coming up blank. They served in the USN for a long time, sent some for lend-lease to the Brits, and eventually retired them to the RNZN, Taiwanese, and Greeks. Any leads would be immensely appreciated. Scale's not too important - my grandfather commanded USS Agawam, and I'm just looking for a couple models both for my own collection and as a gift for my mother. Really rather not have to sculpt one unless I have to.

Pic is Agawam in her Measure 32 camo, pulled up on a beach in late '44.
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>>62400988
Autist
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>>62403091
I'm just a guy with an internet connection and google, but this it at least the same type of ship as far as I can tell
http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/misc/aog10.html
http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/misc/aog10a.html
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>>62361648
Have you got more troves with Osprey Books by series instead of period?
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>>62401644
Theres some saga going on as well, but I am mostly involved with 15mm historicals.
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>>62403945
Found those already. Same class, but those are multi-hundred dollar custom jobs (which I was hoping to avoid) and inaccurate enough to trigger the 'tism. Ah well, will take it as a sign I should probably do my own shit.
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>>62397173
>Ever read the transcript of that early "Indiana Jones" script conference between him, Lucas, and some other 3rd Hollywood asshole?

Yes. Quite enlightening. In a bad way.

>>62394776
Thanks!

>>62388575
It's the sweeping expanse he works into his battlefields that I really enjoy: it gives one a sense of how the action might have been in real life.
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Just got a copy of Israeli Air Force Leader. Going to try a short campaign tomorrow.
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>>62403091
Small world. My grandfather was a painter on AOG 5 USS Susquehanna. I keep hoping someone will put one up on Shapeways someday. The last gift I ever got to give him was a marker sketch of his ship, and I'd love to have a figure of one for the same sort of sentimental reasons.
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>>62404665
iktfb

I want a model of my old bote (Whidbey Island class LSD), but the only thing remotely close is the old Casa Grande class model.
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>>62401715
Those look so much more lively and colourful.
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>>62404462
Oh Saga looks fun, I'd love to get involved with that.
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>>62408078
inb4 /pol/posting commences
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>>62403552
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>>62408725
Id figure people who need to interact with others face to face wouldn't be so angry and autistic
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>>62410500
You've never been to a 40k or MtG tournament, have you?
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>>62410595
Tournaments are for fags and children so no
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>>62410606
My point is though, if it stopped when you left the house, it wouldn't be autism.
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>>62397743
In open terrain like in your picture spacing is often 15m AT LEAST, sometimes further. That being said, spacing is terrain dependent. If you want to have realistic spacing on your base at that scale model in some trees. Soldiers will oftencluster to about 5m if terrain is dense.
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First attempt at Napoleonic. Only 20 more bases to go [s]oh my god what am I doing nobody else I know does Napoleonic help me[/s]
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>>62411463
thin ye paints, me boy, and use a wash or two
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>>62411489
might be the lighting makes it hard to tell, but I did use shades on pretty much everything except the crossbelts
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Pls someone play fivecore in TTS with me.
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>>62411463
Those 15mm figs look very nice! They will be nice on the gaming table.

Once others in your club see these, you might not be the only one for long that does Napoleonic.

>>62411489
There is more than one way to paint a fig.
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My gaming group and I are interested in trying something in the "Age of Sail", at our weekly meetups. Not something we've done before.
Can any of you fine chaps suggest a good starter game? I'm looking through top 10 lists on Boardgame Geek and in your pasta, they all seem quite dense.

Something noobie friendly and which supports multiple players would be best
>Likely the first game will be proxy heavy, but pic kinda related
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>>62413392
Blood, Bilge and Iron Balls
It's in the Naval Wargaming folder and is a perfect starter set
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>>62413430
It looks like its was written by my dad on a typewriter, it makes my eyes hurt! I'm half tempted to email the writer and offer to setup his VCR for him

But digging into it, looks really quite fun. Cheers anon
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>>62413392
I haven't tried it but check out Kiss Me Hardy by TooFatLardies.
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While on the topic, how is fighting sail and On the seven seas from osprey?
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>>62413594
Didn't know the lardies did a a sailing game, curious
Very little written about it online, more research needed
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>>62413650
They've got lots of older games that never got the attention that the later GW production value games did.
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>>62413674
>>62413650

I always thought that if GW was not so picture heavy and glossy in their productions, then they would not have gotten to be the huge entity that they are.

Seems to be a little like putting lipstick on a pig. Pretties it up a bit, but it is still a pig!
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>>62413821
The strategy very obviously works. Flames of War did it. TooFatLardies did it. Warlord games did it.

Most gamers just aren't interested in rules written on a type writer even if they are excellent rules.
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>>62413852
>Most gamers just aren't interested in rules written on a type writer
I think its more a matter of sales
Right now there are more games than you can ever hope to play, additionally you have to get X friends buying in, otherwise its a dead game. I've managed to trick one of my group into playing CoC, but IABSM which is almost the same game, is a harder sell. Its not an IQ thing either, one of my group codes for a living, the other is an electrical engineer, the other does CAD shit. Etc etc etc

A customer has to be able to open that book and figure out within say 15 minutes what the core of the system is, what the unique selling point is. If examples are included with models you might actually own, win. All the better if its supported by youtube videos made by those beasts of war boys (shudder). Alternatively you have to spark the imagination, make them keep turning the page, keep picking the book up when they go for a dump

But I will concede; many a great game loses out because folk can't get past tables, or shitty presentation
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This is what I'm working on chaps.

Its mostly typed up, almost ready to start playtesting.

Inspired by the anon/s here who occasionally ask "is there any game where you can design your own ships?"
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>>62414038

Appearance is much more important today than it was in the infancy of gaming. Back in the days when you didn't have high production....often rules were mimeographed or very cheaply produced if a game was to have any hope of "making it", it was through word of mouth and a solid system that people enjoyed. No pretty painted minis to entice you into buying their products.Most of the time all you could see was the blister pack or box in the store and rarely see them in dioramas or other settings.

Today the amount of detail in even an average paint job would blow away 99% of the best work out there at that time. I don't ever recall seeing anything like what GW showcases in their magazines until the mid 90s.

Today one does have to make quick determinations about a game system as there is so much to chose from. This is really seen in the RPG category as there is much, much more to chose from. I wish we had videos to watch and help sell you on a system or give painting tips. But when I started a screaming modem was 300bps max!

The hobby has come a long way since I first started.

On a side note: Does ANYONE know if Ray Lamb (the former MLB pitcher) is still sculpting minis? I would be curious to see how his work looks now compared to the late 70s and early 80s stuff he did.
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>>62414343
Very cool my man, keep us posted.
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>>62404156
>troves with Osprey Books by series instead of period

Seconded
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>>62414920
Here's what I have so far, I still need to type up the aircraft and submarine section, but everything else should work.

The Ship building section is complete, although I may remove the hull blisters, extra fuel and snorkels as they probably wont have an effect on play.
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>>62414995

Are you planning on using something like Star Fleet Battles (or Battlewagon by Task Force Games) SSDs for hits and to show the spaces?
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>>62416172
Not 100% sure yet - smaller ships could use red markers to indicate damage, or ships could record the damage in the 'damage' section of the ship data cards. Playtesting will show up the easiest ways to do things.
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>>62413635
No idea about the former but the latter is not good. Messy layout, messy system, a lot of shit it just doesn't do; it's basically the posterboy for needed playtesting outside the author's close circle.
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>>62397743
>Do you just stick a team on say a 2p coin?
Yes. Or even a 1p coin. Because it looks silly with them too far apart rather than too close together.
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>>62414995
This looks pretty neat.
Gonna do a couple test builds and post them here in a bit
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I would like to play some small scale (20-30 minis a side) 28mm skirmish game set during the ACW. I was thinking about using the Musket and Tomahawks ruleset and modify it a little to make it fit the conflict, but I was wondering if there are any ACW skirmish rulesets you guys would recommend?
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>>62421321
Sharpe Practice is used by some guys for ACW skirmish.
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BMP
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>>62412091
No
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>>62418958
i'll fill out the card later, but it let me build this fischerian nightmare, maybe this weekend I'll do up the Yamato and see how horribly this dual of the idiots ends

>HMS Incomprehensible
>40 kts (480 space)
>6x 18' guns 248 space (no 20" guns AS GOD INTENDED, sadly)
>15 4" guns 15 space
>5 double 2" guns 5 spaces (no QF-3pdr so I used this instead)
>8x LR torpedoes 8
>ballistics computer 6
>5+ hull armor 9
>6+ deck armor 3
>5+ turret armor 4
>extra fuel 100
>total space used 394
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>40 knots
>18" main battery
Virtually no armor
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Have any of you guys used Warlord's plastic landschnekt? I wanted to use them to build an Empire army.
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>>62425358
looks hilarious anon.

I've done a few test builds of real ships just so see if things work, Yamato included:

Super Battleship (Yamato): 600 space (30 kts)
9x 18" Guns 378
12x 6" Guns 36
12x 100mm AA 6
24x 20mm AA 4
2x Catapult 4
7x Recon Aircraft 14
Hull Armor (2+) 70
Deck Armor (2+) 35
Turret Armor (2+) 35
3x Search Radar 6
Ballistics Computer 6
High Angle Control System 4
TOTAL 599

I still need to test out aircraft carriers - there may be an issue where you can just take a battleship hull and make a super aircraft carrier instead of actually using the aircraft carrier hull... I might have to re-think how flight decks work.

Glad its easy enough to understand that you can just whip up ships though :)
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>>62422499

And it's freaking awesome!
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>>62426082
I've also cooked up an even more fischerian monstrosity based on the fact that light aircraft carriers can be built up to 50 knots even if it's an awful idea
I'm legitimately not sure if this would count as a battle-destroyer or the world's fastest monitor

>HMS Spurious:
>Light Aircraft Carrier hull 50kts (80 space)
>1x 18" gun 42
>4x LR torpedo tubes
>ballistics computer 6
>high-angle 4
>radar 2
>asdic 2
4+ armor to all 20
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>>62426274
haha wtf. Man I want you for playtesting. Very creative!

battle-destroyer is a pretty apt name for it.

I'll save some of your designs and put them to the test in playtesting :)
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>>62426082
>there may be an issue where you can just take a battleship hull and make a super aircraft carrier instead of actually using the aircraft carrier hull... I might have to re-think how flight decks work.
Historically that happened a few times (usually with leftover battlecruiser hulls post-WA-T), although they were generally pretty shit.

>>62426274
>Jeep carrier hull
>18" gun
>Literally giving it a core cannon
Jesus fuck what is wrong with you.
Because it's wrong with me.
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>>62426536
I'm actually coincidentally working on a similar project, but sci-fi, so I've got weird edge case design playtesting on the mind, so if you want I'll absolutely keep throwing crazy ideas at your system for testing purposes
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>>62426669
I'll probably have to increase the space allowed for an aircraft carrier or work out some way to make them the most efficient for carrying aircraft.

As it is an aircraft carrier can take 2 flight decks and thats it, can't even fit in any aircraft. Meanwhile a super battleship could take 5 flight decks and all the aircraft it wanted...
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>>62426750
Carriers get a free flight deck, or at a heavy discount maybe?
Or you just aren't allowed more than one on non-carrier hulls?
All of the above?
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>>62426817
yeah sounds legit. Free flight decks for carriers would be the way to go.

I still want my hybrid battleship-carriers. Half guns, half flight deck
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>>62426883
..I, uh, may have a model of a razee'd Bismark with a flight deck in my deep storage. In my defense, I was kinda drunk and the model was both free and missing its rear superstructure and turrets. Will see if it's still presentable later.
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>>62426274
>Total fucking madman gets tired of destroyers in his littoral waters, straps rocket boosters to monitor
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LAV-75
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>>62425733
I find them to be quite nice
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>>62429575
Gross
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If I painted my Bolt Action stuff in monochrome like an old photo/video footage would I look like a retard? I've been watching old war footage and had the idea.
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>>62430423
Yes you would look like a retard
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>>62430423
I've seen it done for wild west (sepia though). I'm a fan and have considered it myself.
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>>62430438

Darn. Time to accept my retardation, then.
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>>62425358
Reminds me of that forum thread where the guy was playing Rule the Waves using only the most hideous, ridiculously wonky ship designs he could come up with.
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>>62430423
People definitely do this sometimes. I personally only think it really works if both armies and all the terrain on the table are also monochrome.

So I guess it could make a sweet set piece game for a con or something.
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>>62430423
Google a thing called "Great War in Greyscale"
I remember seeing an awesome Zorro game at a convention that totally looked like a silent movie in miniature
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>>62430635
Badnoughts?
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Minairons, the guys who were mostly known for Spanish Civil War stuff, are apparently doing 18th c. ships of the line next. 1:600 scale.
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>>62430646
>>62430664
>>62430664

Thanks lads. The greyscale great war looks amazing. Wow.
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The Pz.II H is quite cute too.
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>>62425733
>landschnekt
lol

Would definitely be a good fit, especially since warlord also sell gunners by now.
You can supplement that with character models in metal.
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>>62430423
It can look really nice if you got an entire table set up.
This picture is from a game based on the Max Schrek Nosferatu film.

May look a little weird if you take them to store to play though. But you can paint your minis however you like.
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>>62428634

Yes
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>>62430802
well now
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>>62428634
I like big huts and I cannot lie
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>>62416952
>>62413635
>No idea about the former but the latter is not good. Messy layout, messy system, a lot of shit it just doesn't do; it's basically the posterboy for needed playtesting outside the author's close circle.

I would have to agree with this anon.
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Tell me about your favorite battles, anons!
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>>62434196
Did you hear the one about Napoleon and the rabbits?
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>>62434497
tell me about the rabbit's George
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>>62434497
Inb4 Watership down meets Waterloo
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>>62434497
Is that the time he shot out Massena's eye?
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>>62434538
Well, the story goes something like this.
It's 1807 and Napoleon just signed the Treaties of Tilsit, concluding his war with Russia, and decided to celebrate with a rabbit hunt.
His chief of staff, Berthier, not a big fan of modesty, rounded up somewhere between several hundred and three thousand rabbits, according to various accounts. Cages were lined up along the field and the rabbits were released.
However, instead of scampering away to start the chase, the fuzzy mob ran straight towards Napoleon and his entourage, where they completely overran them in spite of all shooting and musket-clubbing. Eventually, Napoleon's hunting party was forced into retreat.
>Historian David Chandler described the semi-comic carnage thusly: “With a finer understanding of Napoleonic strategy than most of his generals, the rabbit horde divided into two wings and poured around the flanks of the party and headed for the imperial coach.”

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/05/18/napoleon-and-the-battle-of-the-rabbits/

>>62434562
According to Google, that incident was a year later actually
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>>62430802

Oh fuck... There goes my minis budget!

Thanks for the tip, anon!
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>>62421321
You could try Smooth&Rifled too.
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Suggestions on basic classic Hex & Chit style wargames for beginners / introduction to war gaming?

I'm personally a fan of OGRE by SJG as a good intro, but I thought I'd ask for other suggestions. And I know Command & Colors (Ancients for example) is also recommended. Any other ideas?
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>>62436362
Jim Dunnigan's Drive on Metz is still one of the genres' highlights. No Retreat!, by Carl Paradis, is great as well, though more complex. I've found Reds!, by Ted Raicer, to be quite nice and less complex than expected. Another one that you may find interesting is Frank Chadwick's Battle for Moscow, Objective: Kiev, Target: Leningrad and Arduous Beginning, which are great introductory wargames. Apparently Thunder in the East is coming up and it's supposed to be this huge thing where it has elements of all games and making it into one huge game which can either be played as the small sessions or as a huge one. Either way, it's worth a look, I reckon.
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So where do you folks get Napoleonic cannons for 15mm?
I keep seeing listings around for artillery crews, but almost none mention if the cannon comes included
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I'm trying to sculpt cars for some 1:2400 terrain and I'm having trouble figuring out correct sizes for them. Is ~5mm for regular cars about right?
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>>62438164
That would make the car 12m long.
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>>62438271
I might have fucked up along the way then and ~3mm is more fitting, but that seems too small when placed next to the approximately 1:2400 terrain and ships.
Unless the ships and the aircraft on them is wildly out of scale of course...
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>>62438324
The average car is under 5 metres. 5 metres is 5000 mm. Divide by 2400 and you get 2 mm.

I don't know enough about 1:2400 naval modelling to know how exaggerated the detail is.
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Who makes the best Samurai/feudal Japanese? Perry, warlord/wgf or someone else?
Steel fist looked nice but I heard they were quite big
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>>62434643
kek...

Napoleonics related: are there any hex and chit games covering the Anglo-Russian invasion of Northern Holland in 1799?

>>62439674
Perry.
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>>62439674
Northstar also has a range for the Ronin game
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=152&page=1

Wargames illustrated made an entire issue about Samurai (355), may be worth looking into, if you are interested in the period.
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>>62439674
I'd go with Perry. The WGF/Warlord plastics are kinda shallow in detail, and while their weapons are well-scaled and realistic, this also means they're incredibly thin and easy to break.
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>>62437709
Thank you very much!
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So lately I've been getting interested in the 30 Years War, what's the best system to play games of it? I'd like to do something with a larger scale like 6 or 10mm, over my usual go-to of 28.
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Metal is the worst miniature material, followed by Plastic

Resin is superior
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>>62442133
He started throwing around words like "flash" and "warping" and I punched him right in his plastic-loving face.
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>>62442133
You are the worst hobbyist material.
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>>62442277
>>62442207
Wrong
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>>62441945
Baroque if you want something neatly structured and easy enough to get into.
Pike&Shotte if you want something badly structured but supposed to be built on.
Father Tilly would be recommended but it's now intended for smaller fights in 28mm unless you track down an older edition.
Piquet with Anchor of Faith if you want some fucking chaos.

There's bound to be more. Personally I'd go with Baroque because it's better than P&S, and does a good big battle.
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Ordered this Boi today
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>>62444572
Those are some nice pikes
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>>62442133
When one's brain is completely melted by exposure to plastic cement, this is the sort of post that results.
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>>62442133
Anon, there's nothing wrong admitting you're a faggot.
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>>62442133
>Metal is the worst miniature material, followed by Plastic
>Resin is superior

Come on guys, clearly this guy is TROLLING, and you fell for it! What is said is trolling is pretty common, which shows us a serious state and numbers of anti-socials out there.

Anyway, everyone knows that 28mm plastic figures is the way to go because of the different bits to make different figures and mods. Power to the Plastic!
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>>62442133

What a close minded loser!
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>>62438008
Essex Miniatures

>>62440476
>are there any hex and chit games covering the Anglo-Russian invasion of Northern Holland in 1799?
You're going to have to write us one, anon
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>>62444623
My only issue with stoessi's sculpts is the scale - they're all slightly taller than Warlord's infantry, most due to Warlord's hunchback plastics.
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I recently got the idea from a friend to turn a glass-topped coffee table into a diorama.
Has anyone here tried anything like this? I think it would be a cool way to keep my miniatures on display.
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>>62440476
>Napoleonics related: are there any hex and chit games covering the Anglo-Russian invasion of Northern Holland in 1799?

Nope, none. I can point you to a good map of the region though. I wargamed the Battle of Castricum (1799) (very inaccuratly) a couple of years back.

https://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/beelden/beeldbank/detail/fdeeb4ca-fb8e-11df-9e4d-523bc2e286e2/media/e39d6c64-4b43-c8ed-b922-dea377ab3e00?mode=detail&view=horizontal&q=atlas&rows=1&page=32&fq%5B%5D=search_s_documenttype:%22Kaarten%20en%20plattegronden%22&fq%5B%5D=search_i_period:%5B14000000%20TO%2018200000%7D&filterAction
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>>62401382
I was going to ask the same but then i remembered the image search function.

http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/06/20/russian-hollywood-inside-the-studios/
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>>62448382
Describe what you mean. Is it a two layered coffee table?
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>>62448512
He's talking about that, or possibly the kind that are basically a shadow box with legs.
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>>62448382
Essentially, using a display case as a table?
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>>62448529
Something timber like that could look amazing if you did a nice historical battle scene in there.

Growing up my parents had a glass coffee table like this so I figured you meant something like this. Which I don't think could work. Miniatures are visually kind of archaic and need the timber to suit them.
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>>62448560
Forgot my image. So now I get to kill the bumplimit with the least /tg/ post imaginable.
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Starting to paint my first batch of 18mm figures, those teeny tiny coats on the line men are murder
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>>62448569
I'm going out to buy a cheap table later today. I'll post a picture. I'll definitely have to do some modifications to the table.
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>>62448800
>18mm figures
Is this a common scale? First I've heard of it. I thought it generally went 28->15->10->6->8->3->2
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>>'62448818'
Got them from AB figures, essentially just more detailed 15mm figs. Like how 32 compares to 28, or 28 to 25.
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javascript:quote('62448814')

planning on mixing them in with other 15mm ranges
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>>62448800
>>62448818

A lot of the larger 15mm are now being called 18mm figures.

We went from:
15mm and 25mm figures
to
18mm and 28mm figures
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>>62448856
But unlike the 28mm drift it's not near universal with "15mm" which is actually more annoying.
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>>62448870
https://youtu.be/XMj6ZE_hzFc

Yeah but in real life there is a variance between sizes and so it still gells alright
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>>62448898
Not when sculpting style is mixed. And equipment is a fixed size reference.
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>>62449195
The differences in equipment sizes has always bothered me when trying to mix various manufacturer's minis in any setting.
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>>62448800

Didn't turn out too bad in the end for a first try at the scale.
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>>62449842
on second thought the photo didn't quite hold up.

>>they never do
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>>62449763
Yeah you can do it with say medieval units where there was often enough variance in sword and shield size to disguise it. But once you get to mass manufactured industrial age equipment it just doesn't look good.
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>>62448382
>>62448534

Try it out at the Royal Armouries Leeds, see how long it takes to have a coffee morning on the diorama before you get thrown out.
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>>62449842
Keep at it. This looks mostly to be a problem of brush control. Make sure you don't have any strong caffeine drinks before painting, if anything have something with a mild alcohol content. Use a large magnifying lens if you are having difficulty picking out details, you can get them on armatures or just something to rest on your chest (some people have them for reading, they're pretty cheap). Make sure your brush tips are in good condition, not frayed. The pointy tip is more important than the size of brush so keep them in good condition.

But practice is the most important thing.
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>>62452027
with 15mm use shadow to your advantage. Start with basecoating the innermost layer and work outwards. Unless you are super pro try inking early on for the bottom layers than re highlighting the outer layers like straps. Let shadow naturally conceal stuff that would never be seen anyway, and if they are white uniforms, take this further because they need extra contrast.

Pic of almost finished work related.
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>>62448814
So this is the table I'm using. I'm temporarily going to put up painted boards along each side to protect the models.
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Has there been any battle you've played that has had a dear place in your heart, anons? Maybe due to amazing rolls, or a strategy going right when it should have, or the effects it had later on in the game...
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>>62453779
Neat. Let us know how it goes.
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>>62454130
I'm wondering if it's unusual to rarely remember the actual battles fought.

Cos I can only really remember the ones I bothered to document.
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>>62452027
>if anything have something with a mild alcohol content
This is great advice, I always paint with a glass of wine or a bottle of beer.
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>>62453779
Looks like you have a lot more work ahead of you than I expected. What era/battle will you be putting in there?

Unless it's WW2 or modern with vehicles I recommend building up the base/terrain so that there's not much height different between the glass top and the heads of the highest models.
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>>62448467
Cheers: that map is fantastic!
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>>62455430
Any of them you really liked?
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Hey gents, question for you:

Have any of you guys tried playing Bolt Action at 15mm? If so: how did it work? What changes did you need to make?
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>>62457898

I asked this last thread. It's fine, better than 28mm really.
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>>62456501
Oh yeah, but I have some help, so I hope I'll be done tomorrow.
It's WW2 28mm.
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>>62452971
Those look nice
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>>62457898
Never tried it but you probably shouldn't change a thing. Shrinking the figure scale without touching the measurements will make the ground scale compression a tiny bit less severe.
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>>62458669
I was thinking that, too. 24 inche range on a rifle at 6mm does feel more real.
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>>62384241
... jets?
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>>62462416
When the movie came out in 1941 jets were the hot new sci-fi weapon
The previous year the Italians had unveiled the Caproni Campini N.1 motorjet prototype to great fanfare (Germany's Heinkel He 178 V1 had flown first a year before that, but was top secret)
So the idea of them being a ultra-modern war-winning weapon would have definitely been in the mind of the average moviegoer
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I know this isn't exactly a wargame question, but I want to start up a Pendragon game in honor of Greg Stafford's passing and am going to paint some models beforehand. Does anyone know where I could find some courtly looking dudes in 28mm-ish scale? I can find plenty of armored knights but not many guys without armor.
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>>62463433
RIP Greg
Did you have a sort of specific period in mind anon, like were you going for a 'Dark Ages' Arthur or more a kind of 'Malory' one
Mirliton have a decent range of Medieval nobles in civvies, while Gripping Beast and Foundry do a bunch of appropriate civilians
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>>62463480
I'm not sure I understand the distinction. The tech level of Britain in the early game is about 11th Century because of the enchantment of Britain, but I'm not too worrying about it too much except with armor.
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>>62463480
The Mirliton store is already paying dividends. Thanks anon!
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Anybody got/or point me towards Scans of 2 GMT games:

Operation Dauntless - Battles for Fontenay and Rauray, France 1944
&
Red Winter - The Soviet Attack at Tolvajarvi, Finland.

Mainly need the Counters and Rule books, I got a couple of incomplete sets (bits and pages missing), on the shelf and want to fill them both out.
Thanks
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>>62453779
Progress so far
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>>62463680
Some years ago, it seemed like whenever there was a pic of a cool, non-military medieval diorama in a wargames mag it was always credited to Mirliton, so the name has always stuck with me
As you might have seen on their page they bought up all the old Grenadier stuff, I think their main bread-and-butter is fantasy minis
With medieval costume I had just been wondering how much you cared about the historicity, but if you're fine with a basic 'medieval' look then that's great, and as I mentioned companies with good Medieval lines like Gripping Beast and Foundry will be useful too
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>>62457898

I played 20mm in 1st edition, but have only played 28mm in 2nd as I have a concern that the move to templates would cause an imbalance. The basing rules work on the presumption you're using 28mm models on 25mm round bases. As such, when the templates calculate how many potential hits are caused, using smaller models on smaller bases you may end up with a disproportionately larger number of hits than the game is designed to give.

Not saying it's unplayable or game-breaking, but it's enough to put me off playing at a scale that isn't 28mm.
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>>62465190
Just remember that explosions are actually far more devestating than presented in game and you will be fine.
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>>62457898
it works fine, you dont really need to make any changes.
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Finally finished. Quite happy with the result. It's a bit rough around the edges, but I'll fix some of that soon.
The current set up is temporary. I'll change it up when I feel like it. I'll definitely make a 1940 France table once I'm done painting my French force.
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>>62466108
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>>62466108
>>62466118
Neat, man.
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>>62465190
FM23-30:
>Capabilities -- can be thrown 40 meters by average soldier. The effective casualty-producing radius is 15 meters. ALTHOUGH THE KILLING RADIUS IS 5 METERS AND THE CASUALTY PRODUCING RADIUS OF THIS GRENADE IS 15 METERS, FRAGMENTS CAN DISPERSE AS FAR AWAY AS 230 METERS.
(Caps lock is from the original field manual)

The templates are rather small in 28mm and as long as both sides are similarly affected it shouldn’t really matter anyways.
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>>62466108
I like it, post more of those feet tho.
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>>62466240
>post more of those feet tho.
Surely you mean post more of that cute dog
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>>62465214
>>62466197

Yeah, I'm not disputing the real-world potential of high explosives and their blast damage. It's the unbalancing effect it has on the rules as written I have an issue with.

Say you hit a 28mm unit, bunched but within coherent spacing, with a 4" template. As per the rules, you place the template over the affected unit in such a way that you maximise the number of models hit. You might do approx 5 hits. Do the same with 20mm models on 20mm bases, and you're going to hit more, lets call it 7-8. Those weapons have now changed the meta as their damage potential is higher for their points cost. It obsoletes other, non-template weapons that no longer represent value for their points. Why would I fire my Sherman's coax MG when an HE round is now significantly more effective?

I assume Rick and Alessio have taken reasonable account of the mathematics and probabilities when writing the rules and costing units - certainly Rick's book on writing tabletop wargames has insight into such considerations - that my personal take is it may have an unbalancing outcome.

I'm just voicing my opinion and stating why. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong.

My advice would be to consider 1st edition rules (using the BADN modifications), just use 1st ed rules for blast weapons, or scale down the blast templates in line with the model scale.
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>>62466998
>I assume Rick and Alessio have taken reasonable account of the mathematics and probabilities when writing the rules and costing units

I wouldn't given previous form.
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>>62466998
Solution is simple, and the same as used in real life (which BA is supposed to have at least some vague correlation to): DON'T. BUNCH. UP. Soldiers on the battlefield don't walk in clumps exactly because of this.
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>>62467064
Same.

>>62466998
>certainly Rick's book on writing tabletop wargames has insight into such considerations

That was quite a disappointing book but then I think Rick Priestly hasn't ever been a 'good' wargame designer, just a successful one, and a lot of that wasn't even down to the systems he worked on so much as the miniatures, availability and presentation. I've genuinely read better blogs about game design.
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>>62466998
>I assume Rick and Alessio have taken reasonable account of the mathematics and probabilities
lol
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>>62466998
"I assume Rick and Alessio have taken reasonable account of the mathematics and probabilities when writing the rules"

Do not swear on it
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>>62465190
Templates are dildos. 90% of the time when we shot with a HE weapon when we tried 2nd ed, we just said "ok, this'll be roughly 3 men, so roll that". What's the fucking point then?

Also, I base my 1:72s on 25mm round bases, but guns are all over the place. Fuck templates, HE(YdX) works really nicely.
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>hurr durrrr warlord bad x)))))))
Pfffpp rick priestly reeeeee
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Thinking of templates; I've found templates work in some games far better than others.

Like in No End In Sight, explosive weapons having a large area of effect has proven a continual reminder to not just bunch up dudes and to actually try and spread things out. But in Bolt Action it just seems to annoy people, but then we see people putting their figures down in practically rank&file formation in games, I think there was even someone doing that last thread, and template weapons in block unit games are not such a great idea (and I don't like individual figures being a game piece in rank&file unit games either).

Perhaps it is a function of figure coherency/line of sight rules that makes template weapons work in some systems and not so much in others? Is it because units are encouraged to bunch up combined with shitty TLOS rules in Bolt Action that makes them a problem there?
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>>62467882
I don't trust Rick or Alessio to make a balanced system due to their work at Games Workshop.
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>>62467938
Soldiers in real life bunch up for morale and cover/LOS reasons. Even professionals rarely maintain textbook dispersion. If you don't have template weapons to discourage that in your game then it isn't surprising that players do the same with their miniatures.
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>>62467983
There's also a difference between bunching up a bit and well, image related.

I see this all the time with Bolt Action AARs and games locally.
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>>62467950
Have you played Kings of War? Its a little shallow for my liking, but it is designed specifically to be balanced.
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>>62468811
Yeah that's a sign of a game that isn't simulating machine guns or blast weapons properly.
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>>62468877
No it generally shows you the ground scale is wrong.
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>>62469027
"We use a different ground scale tee hee" is such a fucking meme excuse for games that pack more figures on the board then they should. It's also still bad game design for a "skirmish" game because now there is no tactics involving forcing the enemy into narrow avenues of attack to make machine guns etc more effective.
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>>62469027
>>62469098
Ground and time scale are pretty vital, and should generally be specified.
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>>62469098
This is why 28mm shouldn't be the main scale for games with over ~20 figures a side.
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>>62469027
It's more than just ground scale, line of sight rules in BA's case also play a big part.

I don't think BA even has a ground/time scale. It is entirely based off of table size and weapon role as for how distances work (going by Priestley's book) rather than any connection to reality.
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>>62467152
Didn't say it was a good book, simply that it accounts for the maths behind the mechanics of the games. Which, like it or not, corroborates the theory behind his game design, and that Rick and Alessio have taken REASONABLE account of the maths.

As for the Rick and Alessio hate, each to their own. However you feel about it, Rick designed the biggest selling tabletop wargame of all time in 40k, and while it has been refined over the various editions, at its core it remains largely the same. The success of Rogue Trader can't simply be placed on the availability and quality of minis - like anything else, people could have bought them and used any other set of rules. The rules sold themselves, in those original editions at least.

Don't really get the Alessio hate either. Just because these guys had a GW background? Because they've sustained mechanics proven from GW products they were involved in? Kings of War has already been cited as a good set of Alessio rules. If you've played Terminator Genisys, you'll have experienced another elegant set from him - the core mechanics alone are an excellent set of modern combat skirmish rules. They were adapted to the Terminator licence and resulted in a hugely thematic experience.

Or is it just cool to hate on these dudes cos derp derp derp?
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>>62467637
Yup, wasn't a fan of them introducing templates on 2nd ed. It was a fix for a vague problem, although I get why they did it.

Which is why I suggested looking back at how 1st edition did it - or even just using 1st edition instead.
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>>62469277
>The success of Rogue Trader can't simply be placed on the availability and quality of minis - like anything else, people could have bought them and used any other set of rules. The rules sold themselves, in those original editions at least.

The issue was balance. No edition of 40k has ever been balanced. The setting is cool and the rules are fun but no one would ever accuse the game of being balanced.

Also the original RT rules were fine for a gonzo RPG/skirmish game. They just became absurd for the large games GW started pushing in 2nd ed. After that it was lack of credible competition and marketing that propelled 40k. I remember all the 40k competitors and the miniatures were trash because the companies didn't have the money or expertise GW did.
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>>62469277
>Don't really get the Alessio hate either.

I don't hate him, I just find the majority of his rules exceedingly game-y. And they are, by design, by his own admittance in interviews. Like he hates dealing with terrain rules so just stuck true line of sight crap in everything he could, and was so prolific his stuff just turned up in seemingly every major release for a few years, not just Warlord stuff but a lot of what /awg/ covers.

At times I think he's done great work, like his revamp of the Empire army for 6th edition Warhammer was excellent in that it was exceedingly balanced and encouraged use of the actual people of the empire not every mercenary/monster going. Other armies he covered... not so much.

Please try to understand there's more going on than a pure binary option opinion spread with people here. We're not TMP after all.
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Here are some free paper ancient buildings
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>>62469545
>6mm ancient
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>>62469783
I don't get the laughter
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>>62469351
So let me ask you thing would you use 1st edition with points adjustments from 2nd? Didn't they make LMGs cheaper, and thus less of a points sink?

I mean using 1st edition works fot me anyway since that's the book I have.

What would you guys use for bases? I figure my guns I can just leave on their rectangular FoW bases, but infantry I'm at a loss. Washers? What size?
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>>62470094
They made a step towards fixing some of the bigger issues, like LMGs and the Recce rule, with 2nd edition. They also introduced guff like the templates to fix a barely-existing problem. Some of it I am undecided over, like Rally being more effective, Down giving stronger modifiers, and the officer's having Snap To Action. Ultimately though the core game is largely unchanged from 1st.

By and large, using 1st Edition with the BADN modifications will give you a good game. I've attached them. I would use 1st edition points costs, which are mostly the same.
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>>62470094
As for basing you can probably leave some of the infantry on FoW bases for group movement and track casualties with dice or counters. 20mm rounds would probably work for individually based infantry. I use mdf 20mm rounds for my 20mm minis.
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>>62471162
Get some pumice gel and blend out the step between base and mini
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>>62472428

It's not finished. I'll hide it with flock, breaks up the shape of the mini's base so it's less noticeable. Chose the pic because it shows how the base of a 20mm mini snugly fills the 20mm round, so a 15mm should have plenty of space on one.

But I'll look for that stuff and give it a shot, cheers.





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