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Qhaysh Edition

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Previous thread: >>62398398
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Disregard elven thots, aquire pure human waifu.
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ET is not my fault okay! I am a pure 100% von carstein.
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>>62419271
No, I want elf.
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>>62415195
But wait, that'd actually be fun and make sense.

>>62415262
Conquer elves -> Keep elf slaves

>>62416346
Holy shit those eyes stare into my soul

>>62417697
Wouldn't it be cool if, y'know, they'd be the actual human pirate faction, not undead faction.
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Just a reminder that CA is now loremaster.
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That picture gets me thinking: wouldn't it have been cool on the tabletop if the High Elves could have multiple casters in their armies? Maybe they'd be individually weak, but together they could cast some powerful army-wide spells, though losing even one would affect the power of the others.

Might've been more interesting compared to what I understand of playing, which is 'all you need is one caster at least to combat enemy spells and that's it.'
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>>62419271
Push for human waifus in this thread. I need some variety from the same old trite shit.
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>>62419517
It could be cool if that's for basically every race outside of particularly powerfull spellcasters, like Slann, Chaos Sorcerers and guys like Nagash and Teclis. But High Elves would still need several to cast high magic spells.
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>>62419490
Just dress like shit and go begging on a rich street, you'll get the same level of disdain and disgust you'd get from an elf waifu.
And none of them will put out so double bonus.
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>>62419516
Andy Hall is writing most, if not all of it, so yeah.
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>>62419524
I'm druchii fag but I'm intrigued by Elspeth von Draken.
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The Vampire Coast trailers battle scene shows exactly what makes the Old World such a great setting. You don't have Space Marines or immortal god-beings or whatever the fuck fighting against immortal, ancient evils. You have professional soldiers and normal humans keeping back an evil tide with the aid of Dwarves (and sometimes elves) and that's what makes it so great. Those people know that they're outmatched by giant vikings in full plate armour but they still fight because they must.
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>>62419604
It mostly shows them getting trashed...
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>>62419616
I mean, it's an evil faction trailer so that's the obvious outcome, but it's more the fact that they are still fighting. Those four state troopers trying to rush that giant ship-thing is just pure gold.
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>>62419677
Evil? Breathers should know the Vampire Coast Pirates prefer "charitable redistributor".
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Just wanted to show off my latest acquisition: 7 original plastic chaos dorfs! I'm trying to make a 500 Point list of every fifth/sixth edition Army for my local group!

one has a bent tip, and the other has a bent axehead, but those should be easy fixes.
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>>62419516
They have a bunch of ex GW writers with them, so it's to be expected they know there shit. I still love the big fuck you the whole Throgg is the Everchosen and the Corrupted Phoneix shrine was to the End times.
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>>62419846
Cute hats!
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>>62419846
>trip
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>>62419869
The shrine becomes corrupted because mad Asur desecrate the flame rather than let Malekith enter them.
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>>62419896
>not knowing gropey
lurk moar
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>>62419846
>500 point list of every 5th/6th edition army.

Nice to see there's others beyond me going down this road; though I have a more general 3rd to 6th attitude and I'm a lot more blase about adhering to an army list than others.

I really have grown super fond of the monopose plastics from the period; from the 3rd edition Fantasy Regiment stuff to the 4th/5th boxes.
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>>62419885
I know what I am about, and its classic chorf hats.

>>62419896
Yes, hello.

>>62419946
I don't post much these days with how busy work has been, so its not unexpected for new folks to not know Hungarian, KM, myself, etc.
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>>62419646
>Axes > Swords for pirating
Noctilus canonically has a sword though.
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>>62419478
>hair
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>>62419516
For people who don't play Warhammer.
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>>62419977
I am specifically using the Sixth edition quick-start army lists from Ravening Hoards (pdf related), and then expanding to army books as people start building.
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>>62420014
Speaking of Chaos Dwarves...

>Go on ebay to see if there's any up for cheap.
>See this; think that someone's recasting the Blanche Amazon
>Sculpt is wrong and not proportioned rigt, etc what's going on? Bad recast?

Turns out it's actually an original miniature of a female chaos dwarf amazon on stilts.
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>>62419604
>Vampire Coast
>Old World
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>>62420146
Fair enough. I've just really abandoned the idea of making lists for my stuff as I mostly just play scenarios, etc so I'm just trying to collect small armies of everything plus adding fun miniatures, units etc as I want.
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>>62420148
impressive, really
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>>62420200
Yeah, I'm tempted to buy it anyway.
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>>62420148
DUDE. Rad.

>>62420161
We actively play and hold tournaments, as well as WHFRP and Mordheim campaigns. This is a project to help people get a taste of other playstyles.
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>>62420148
>Chaos
>dwarf
>Amazon
>on stilts

And I thought lore started getting weird in later editions...
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>>62420229
Oh yeah, not saying that your way is bad at all; I think it's fantastic. I'm just saying that I'm doing a similar thing but in a different way.
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>>62419846
I have like 50 of those and I'd love to replace them with the metals, but the metals are so damn expensive. Compared to blunderbusses, which are usually pretty cheap, axemen go for big money.
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>>62420242
Well, it's a newly sculpted miniature (albeit a limited edition run) not by GW but it's still a neat concept if a bit of a let down.

This is what it's based on.
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>>62419223
>Qhaysh
can you even do with this Mary sue shit
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>>62420287
MAGIC
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How can that Blood Dragon pirate fuck do magic if hes cut off from the winds
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>>62420264
And it's only a let down because I thought someone was selling it for cheap as fuck as they usually go for nearly a hunded pounds each.
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>>62419604
I'm not sure that's really the case, one can write off the underdog warrior fighting against all odds and winning, or losing romantically, even with superhumans, provided the enemy forces remain proportionally upscaled still
the problem with superhumans is that they are supers and while they can be relatable as persons, at times, the important part that sets them apart from a random empire soldier is that they aren't relatable as a people, where they can represent a man they can't really represent mankind on the field, mankind isn't all super in most settings

what I'm arguing is that the presence of space marines doesn't make the imperial guard less memorable in that sense (it's the lack of focus that does it, but that's another matter)
the important bit is that the common joe enlisting to fight off aliens is there, not that the superhuman isn't there
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>>62420365
He can passively raise dead but can't cast spells.
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>>62420389
Underdogs is some of the most overrated tropes in fiction
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>>62420396
Necromancy Is magic tho
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>>62420365
He tells the corpses of the loot to be had, waken them up.
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>>62420418
Maybe, but other people overrating it is not going to stop me from liking it where it fits
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>>62419524
Now what we really need are some dwarf waifus to show those elgi what it really means to be thicc
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>>62420365
he's not 'completely' cut off
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>>62420365
He got zapped by an Old Ones artifact. Broke his sanity but increased his powers.
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>>62419869
There's more than that. Morathi still worshiping Slaanesh is another. Mannfred and Archaon being subtly mocked, too.
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Can the chaos chariot from this starter kit be built as a gorebeast chariot? It's a pretty good deal (for GW anyway) but I want to make sure it's not just the normal core chariot.
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>>62420242
>started getting weird
You're adorable.

>>62420243
Didn't think you were saying that! Just explaining what we're doing.

>>62420249
I know. I have a Death Rocket, and these guys. I need a set of command for the axe men, 10 blunderbusses, a sorceror and some Hobs. Maybe some bull centaurs if I feel like building it bigger. I wish I had more of the old school plastics for any race.

>>62420365
>>62420438
Casting spells is magic, but not all magic is spells. Spells are more like formula/ritual. Vampires can "naturally" raise and control the dead, but its just part of their vampire powers same as turning into mist or regenerating.

Thats not to say vampires /can't/ cast spells. Many learn a few, as they have a few centuries to spare on such pursuits. Many don't though, such as the Blood Dragons (too busy hacking n' Slashing) and Strigoi.(being corpse eating, unevolved freaks for the most part)
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>>62420586
Also, what are good replacements for the oval bases that would be included with this box? I have a fair few 25mm square bases for the infantry but no rectangular bases for cav and chariots. Do people here just go for MDF bases these days?
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>>62420586
Yeah, you can make it a gorebeast
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>>62420618
Mdf seems pretty common, but I've gotten a lot of cheap plastic bases from recasters on ebay
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>>62420503
How many pics are there? Two? Three?
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>>62420618
the chariot used a 50x100
there are many sites that still sell rectangular bases, but even custom ones will go
depending on how much old style you're going you may want to base only the horses with a 25x50 each, while leaving the chariot to stand on its own
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>>62419977
I basically adorw everything pre-seventh edition, but classic 5th and 6th edition has been getting really nostalgic for me lately, reminding me of when I first started as a kid with my dad.

Have some nostalgia
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>>62420503
this is the most recent picture of a female warhammer dwarf
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>>62420618
I just buy random plastic bases off ebay.
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>>62420365
>Blood Dragon
No End Times fluff here, Harkon is from an unknown bloodline.
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>>62420807
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>>62420812
>grot over grobi
>grot at all in whf
Fuck off GW.
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>>62420389
looks almost exactly like a warmachine/hordes force
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>>62420812
A female slayer doesn't bother me. What bothers me is "grot" and also the fact that the art looks like it's from MTG or some other generic trite.
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>>62420667
>>62420719
>>62420765
>>62420820
nice, cheers anons. Yeah I got the 25mm bases I currently have from some ebay seller (not GW ones but they're pretty similar and good quality), there weren't that many 25x50 and 50x100 bases around last time I looked but I'll have a gander again some point soon
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>>62420889
Don't insult Warmachine like that.
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>>62420731
Well, let's get what we can
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>>62420908
Why shouldn't a female dwarf become a slayer?
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Reposting since I didn't get any replies in the last thread and because I think I ask a couple of questions well worth exploring.

I need some help with and suggestions for my 8th edition mono-Nurgle WoC army. What I'm primarily looking for are pointers but any input what so ever is greatly appreciated.
So, army-wise I was thinking about running this 2500 point army:
Sorcerer Lord: MoN, Chaos Steed, Talisman of Preservation, Charmed Shield & Flame Breath with Lore of Nurgle (409 points).
BSB: MoN,Halberd, Scaly Skin, Hideous Visage, Dawnstone, Ironcurse Icon & Dragonhelm (216 points).
19x Warriors of Chaos: MoN, Shields, full command & Banner of Swiftness (368 points).
BSB goes here.
2 units of 5x Warhounds with Vanguard (80 points)
2x Chariots of Nurgle (250 points).
Chimera: Flaming Breath & Regen (275 points).
9 x Chaos Ogres: MoN,GWs, standard bearer & Musician (425 points).
5x Chaos Knights: MoN, Ensorcelled Weapons, Full Command & Gleaming Pennant (260 points).
Sorcerer Lord goes in here.
Giant of Nurgle (215 points).

How well would this setup work for an Oblique Order-approach to battle tactics?
I'm kinda interested in replacing the hounds for two units of flail armed Marauder Horsemen and upgrade the Chariots to Gorebeast Chariots.
I've also made a prettt nifty nurglesque skullcrusher conversion if I may say so myself so wouldn't mind squeezing three of those in to the list. Perhaps by replacing the Giant or, if I can be so daring, replacing the Knights, removing the MoN from the Sorcerer Lord (replacing it with Shadow perhaps?) and mounting him on a Daemonic Mount.
Also, are there any obvious gaping holes (or less than so) in this army setup? What sort of generic counters should I expect from opponents, what are the flaws/errors that I'm liable to have as a bad WoC player who is attempting the Oblique Order-approach and how do I limit and/or counteract them?
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I fucking love his redesign. Really remind me of Davy Jones.
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>>62421182
not him, but females might tend to have rules bent a bit for them, as dwarf numbers dwindle and the only baby makers in the realm going suicidal hatchet swingers over a cracked frame in the family portrait could really make things difficult. They may be forgiven for alot more then a male counter part. I'd like to think they could, but should probably be extremely rare or beyond child bearing age.
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>>62420618
MDF in a pinch, but there seems to be somewhere in china pumping out enough bases for me to use.
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>>62420807
That Bret archer....

I used to have a Bretonnian Army basically made out of the starter box and 15 men at arms. Only have five men at arms, two bowmen and some kniht parts left; I want to get it back eventually once I'm done with the other projects I'm working on.
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>>62421363
The major problem is replacing the men at arms; 5th edition metal bretonnians are expensive as fuck.
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>>62421182
Dwarfs become slayers after being dishonored. Women don't understand the concept of honor.
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>>62421363
I have 10 of both casts of classic plastic bretonnian archers
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>>62421423
That's going in the book of grudges.

>>62421253
Honor is absolutely not something any dwarf of decent moral rectitude bends. It's practically biological.

>>62421182
I don't think there's anything STOPPING them, I just think that female dwarfs are rare enough that they just are almost never seen.

>>62420812
She's not built like a proper dwarf.
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>>62421363
I have archers, halberdmen and knights of that edition. Hell, some grail knights are still sealed. Do they worth something nowadays?
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>>62421183
>I've also made a prettt nifty nurglesque skullcrusher conversion if I may say so myself
any pics?
anyway, yes, I'd take out the giant for those

one major problem you'll notice in 8th ed is that you'll not be able to move from a combat: your anvil doesn't pack much of a punch and the only hammer unit with enough ranks to break the enemy's rank bonus to not fleeing out of a combat they are losing are the chaos ogres, which I would split into a pair of units and have them be smaller anvils protecting the flanks of your warriors block instead
without the ogres acting as hammer on a flank then you're going to use cavalry and hounds, remember, the important thing here is having at least one of your units with an additional rank at full health charging the enemy your warrior or ogres will be engaged with, on a flank

in this sense I'd put the hounds in a single unit (you could use them as shields to redirect charges in two blocks of 5, but those are dickish tactics anyway); hoping the chimera can deal with taking out warmachines on its own
but in case you are forced to use the hounds for something else or they get their rank reduced by shooting, then you'll need a plan B, that will be looking around for points for 4 more chaos knights to bring your unit to 10

I don't know how much the chariots will prove to be useful, they are not really fast and you can have other units do a role similar to theirs while being fast enough for being repurposed as needed
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>>62420843
I presume it's from AoS which is 40k fantasified.
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>>62421678
you presume wrong
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>>62421678
Nah, it's from Doomseeker a new coming card game set in WHF.
The use of grot there over goblin shows that the retarded naming conventions and general cancer of AoS wouldn't have stopped had Fantasy not died and that we should pray to the great almighty that GW doesn't do a Fantasy relaunch.
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>>62421660
adding to this, if you really can't find the points for swelling the ranks, then don't divide the ogres but reduce them to 6 (or 7 to stay with nurgle), they will be able to act both as an anvil and a hammer, obviously the flank of the warrior unit that can't be covered by ogres will need some other unit sticking close a bit to guard any attempt at flanking, a chariot can do it, I guess
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>>62420807
Those plastic heroes hold up surprisingly well, to be honest. Dwarf's always been a favorite of mine.
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>>62421754
To be fair, simple fix is just changing the text. Not like they made her look AoS.
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>>62420156
>Warhammer World
Fucking ree
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>>62420389
But consider: If there werent Space Marines, this wouldn't even be an issue.
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>>62420807
Sauce on that Halfling, I know it's Talisman or WH Quest or something but I can't find it.
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>>62419846
Nice!

I just got my hands on this bad boy.
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>>62420618
Aliexpress.
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>>62422183
going down that purity spiral eventually makes you remove all other things like warmachines, wizards, heroes and even soldiers that aren't your lowliest peasant armed with a fork
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>>62419846

Looks cool...

I would have bought the Russian Alternative ones though...
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>>62421426
Yeah. Thankfully they're the easiest thing to get. The hardest are going to be the stuff I wanted as a kid.

I might just use 3rd party stuff that's still in production from the time to bulk up the unit.
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>>62420812
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>>62421593
The plastic archers aren't worth much. Halberdiers are definitely worth a bit; grail knights might as well be cast out of gold.
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>>62421593
As someone trying get my hands on lots of the 5th ed Bretonnians. They can be pretty pricey.
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>>62421247
His lord effects basically make him mister necrofex colossus
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>>62421247
Wish he had less lip and more fang but yeah it's awesome
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>>62420812
>Ninja Division

Discard immediately.
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What kind of Lord/Heroes setup am I looking at for 1,000 points Vampire Counts starter games? I have no idea what I'm doing :D
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>>62422579
you need someone who can magic your army up a bit and he beeds to be pretty tough or else your army crumbles away, using a lord may end up being too pricey, so a vampire hero with magic armour and some options for spells, on foot so you can keep him safe in your infantry, is your way to go
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>>62421660
>any pics?
I got some WIP-ones that I can post when I get the time tomorrow.
>anyway, yes, I'd take out the giant for those
Aight. What are your thoughts on saddling them with Sorcerer Lord on Daemonic Mount?
>your anvil doesn't pack much of a punch
True, my thinking was that it should primarily be concerned with holding up my opponent untill I can crash one of his flanks. I would consider replacing the unit for some Nurgle Warriors with Halberds if I wasn't on the verge of finishing up painting my shielded unit.
>the only hammer unit with enough ranks to break the enemy's rank bonus to not fleeing out of a combat they are losing are the chaos ogres, which I would split into a pair of units and have them be smaller anvils protecting the flanks of your warriors block instead
That's a neat idea to split the ogres up. One of the greater problems I habitually find myself with is the lack of ranks in my units. However two units of 6 ogres seem far too expensive to be worth the hassle and two units of 3-4 don't get any rank bonus.
>the important thing here is having at least one of your units with an additional rank at full health charging the enemy your warrior or ogres will be engaged with, on a flank.
I have been toying with the idea of finding enough points for a unit of 6x2=12 Marauders of Nurgle with Flails, Standard Bearer and Musician to act as a support for my Warriors. I do also like the notion of having a unit of 6x2=12 Forsaken of Slaanesh to help on the focused flank. The MoS on them are totally justified fluffwise aswell.
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>>62422767
>in this sense I'd put the hounds in a single unit (you could use them as shields to redirect charges in two blocks of 5, but those are dickish tactics anyway)
Isn't that their one and only purpose though? I don't really see the dickishness of such usage either but that might be because the people I play with tend to also use redirectors to some extent.
>looking around for points for 4 more chaos knights to bring your unit to 10
DESU I don't really see that happening. Such a unit of knights would be incredibly expensive. Allthough to be fair it would provide some safety to my general.
>I don't know how much the chariots will prove to be useful, they are not really fast and you can have other units do a role similar to theirs while being fast enough for being repurposed as needed
My thinking was to use them defensively, primarily to safeguard my weakened flank but also to support the Warriors if need be. Gorebeast Chariots would have been better for the job but I need to invest enough points in my Core.
>>62421768
if you really can't find the points for swelling the ranks, then don't divide the ogres but reduce them to 6
That seems prudent. It would allow me to invest 135 points in something else such as the previous mentioned Marauder-unit.
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>>62422767
>What are your thoughts on saddling them with Sorcerer Lord on Daemonic Mount?
they may look nurglish, but deep down they have the mark of khorne, I doubt you can do that
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>>62420389

The thing is... if AoS was really like this picture I would accept it but it isn't.

You need 80 individually based models for an Empire army, which is fucking crazy.
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Any suggestions for a chaos marauder based first army? I've always preferred the barbarian bare chested marauder look over the typical heavily armoured chaos warriors and monsters. I'm thinking of having lots of marauders, some marauder horsemen, skin wolves, maybe chariot, I would get a mammoth if I had the money.

I'm already painting some marauders are chaos warriors necessary in an army?
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>>62420389
>the presence of space marines doesn't make the imperial guard less memorable in that sense (it's the lack of focus that does it, but that's another matter)
In what way?
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I'm a guy who got into WH fantasy via total war, and am now looking into starting to painting minis. After doing a bit of research, I sorta gotta ask.
Is Age of Sigmar actually that bad? I mean, yes, I understand the means by which the game transitioned from WHF to AOS was.. turbulent, but, I dunno. Maybe as a late-comer the loss is lost on me.
Yea, Tomb Kings and Bret are dead at the moment, but I feel pretty confident in assuming they'll come back. Like 75% of the old characters are there in some form, if not directly, then heavily similar ones exist.
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>>62423049
nope, you can do that just fine
even if you needed warriors you could still convert some marauders with particularly fancy pauldrons and bulging muscles counting as warriors rule-wise

the only problem is in-fact heroes, which are pretty much all armoured warriors, not that the above can't be made for them too

it's highly probable GW is going to make some new marauders/chaos barbarians for AoS, so either gather up the current ones while they are being made or wait up for the new ones
no matter the origin, what fits fits, just like pic related
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>>62423167
It's that bad to the people here. If you wanna talk about AoS, they have a general.
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>>62423167
Damn, are you new.

AoS is a fine game. But it's not WHFB, nor should it be a successor to WHFB.
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>>62423207
I know it has a general, but I was asking a question about it in relation to whf, since the two games are obviously connected.
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>>62423167
It has gotten better, but it's still distinctly different in tone, fluff focus and gameplay.
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>>62423167
>but I feel pretty confident in assuming they'll come back
your confidence is ill-placed, but understandable for a newcomer
as a protip when dealing with gw that people often take too lightly:
don't get into it unless the current state of things is good enough for you
getting into it "while waiting for the army to be updated" or "that thing I don't like to be fixed" or "that model to finally get replaced" is not something you should do or you will regret it

>Is Age of Sigmar actually that bad?
it's a supported wargame you can play in your local GW store, works well enough for many, doesn't work so for others attuned to the old mechanics, you can't know for you until you try it yourself

fluffwise I'm not going to touch too much, I have foot in both waters, they are more similar than people realise, but still to be treated very differently: it's a sandbox, not a setting
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>>62423167
The lore gets shat on very hard in AoS. If you like the historically-inspired, 'nations vs nations' style of Fantasy, then you'll be disappointed by it.
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>>62423296
We're not interested.
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>>62423167
It's not bad but it is different. I am extremely confident that tomb kings and bretonnians will not return, but besides that every single faction has been overwritten in the lore anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
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>>62423167
It's a very different game with a very different setting.
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>>62423049
http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?cName=fantasy-2528mm-barbarians

Boom. They even have mammoths.
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>>62423167
AOS plays ok. Some of the new factions are cool.

But the game plays nothing like Warhammer Fantasy and the lore is completely different in feel.

It's like replacing Starcraft with Monopoly.
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>>62421388
Wargames Foundry HYW billmen
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Does anyone here remember the Realms of Sorcery splatbook for WFRPG 2e? Because I've been trying to figure this out: what are the philosophical differences between the "schools" of magic?

To try and explain better, in said book, the eight Lores of Magic are divided into three different spell-lists; Elemental, Mystical, and Cardinal. Does anyone know what the distinction of each spell-list's philosophy is?

Like, Elemental is clearly the manipulation of that wind's elemental form - Elemental Fire is spells like Fiery Blast, Fire Ball and Breathe Fire, whilst Elemental Metal is Silver Arrows of Arha, Armor of Lead and Curse of Rust.

But what are the Mystical and Cardinal manifestations supposed to be? Mystical Fire has spells like Boiling Blood, Choleric and Taste of Fire, and Cardinal Fire... well, it seems to be a mixture of Elemental and Mystical spells.
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>>62425398
It's never explained, but it would seem 'mystical' is more abstract application of the wind, while 'cardinal' means 'cardinal' in the sense of 'important,' that is, it gathers key spells from different approaches.
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>>62425420
Hmm... how would you describe them as different philosophies?
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>>62425398

I would assume mystical is to do with the mind or forces outside of the body not covered by elements. Such as causing fear or purple sun. I think cardinal is to do with the physical, turn metal to gold, boil armour... that's just my interpretation.
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Total War really went all in on vampire counts. No other faction has as many lords, and they even have a subfaction in TW:W2
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>>62423167

Tomb Kings maybe... Brets are a never in a million Sundays though.
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>>62425557
Problem being one of those lords is utter garbage, and another is never picked over her husband.

I do agree that they're getting a lot of focus though.
Isn't it great?
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>>62422193
Warhammer Quest hero's box. Got it as a kid. 95 maybe?
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>>62425491
I mean, this is just me making shit up, but it seems the elemental school of magic is mostly about direct application of the wind in its most immediate and literal ways. EG, shooting a fireball as a bright wizard. Mystical gets more into the...metaphorical side of things, the way magic of certain types gathers around certain abstract ideas or phenomenon, like using the red wind to inspire impulsive passion or the gold wind to inspire avarice.
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>>62425726
THE
PII
ZZA
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>>62425557
>5 characters stuck in two start positions literally next door to one another
>Von Carsteins are the only playable bloodline and take up four of the nine available characters
>Kemmler was useless for a year without Krell
>one of the Vamp Coast characters isn't even supposed to be a vampire
They're getting treated well, certainly better than the Empire (3 LLs in a single start position still) but the lack of Neferata and Mallobaude make them feel really lopsided.
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>>62425738
>magic of certain types gathers around certain abstract ideas or phenomenon, like using the red wind to inspire impulsive passion or the gold wind to inspire avarice.

And at the same time, it will also influence the user. While it certain personalities and such are attracted to certain winds of magic, channeling the wind will further change them. Its still chaos, and can even be argued as mutations, but much more controlled and subtle.

To stick with the bright wizard, you already have to be a "hot head". Impulsive, passionate, and aggressive. Using red magic slowly increases all of those personality traits. It also physically affects the user: Your body burns through calories quicker leaving you thin and wiry. You get taller. Your hair turns red like embers or black like smoke. You develop a taste for spicy foods. You find the cold doesn't affect you as much and heavy clothes are uncomfortable.

Eventually, your skin turns ashen, your eyes glow like coals, and your hair becomes flame.

The WHFRP Tomb Of Sorcery is a great source for fluff.
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So at the current rate of releases (One yesterday, one today) it looks quite likely that we'll have pic related revealed tomorrow. We already know it's her because of both the obvious outline and her faction name being leaked on the wiki. Given that she's not a vampire, how the hell are they going to implement her character? How pissed will you be when they turn her into a vampire?
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>>62425391
Are tiny and out of scale.
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>>62425971
She got succ'd into the Galleon's Graveyard maelstrom at the end of Dreadfleet if I'm not mistaken, so that will probably be their scapegoat excuse for her suffering undeath. It's a shame that she can't lead a normal mortal pirate faction but I guess they just weren't going to invest into two separate races just for pirates.
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>>62426018
Well yes, but the Grand Alliance's ships got sucked into the maelstrom while releasing three very powerful trapped demons to destroy the Galleon's Graveyard and, with it, the Dreadfleet. It was supposed to be an "everyone dies" type ending, but instead it looks like they all survived and the distinctly non-vampire Aranessa has joined forces with her (im)mortal enemies. It will take a hell of a contrivance to justify this.
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>>62426005
What about Front Rank then? The 5th ed Brets are pretty much straight out of the Hundred Years War, there has to be some compatible historicals out there somewhere.
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>>62426103
>All survived.
We're the fuck did you get that? Only Noctulius and her have been shown to "survive" and looking at the state he's in, seems like he nearly died.
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>>62426130
The problem is the chunkiness of the sculpt. Blacktree and Grenadier come closest.
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>>62425852
I wish we didn't have to use mods just to try and play factions in different positions or in other parts of the map. Not to mention, with factions like the Undead you're never going to really have any allies, which can be disappointing if you want to actually work alongside NPC factions at all.
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Do you guys have any experience with Warlord Game's Landsknecht? I wanted to try building an Empire army with them.
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>>62425592
I wish the empire got as much love. CA could seriously shill Lord reskin packs for the named characters and I'd happily pay for it.
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>>62425971
>how pissed will you be when they turn her into a vampire
Not at all. I find this kind of mindboggling. If you had asked me a few months ago if I thought we were going to see Aranessa Saltspite or Count Noctilus in fucking TWW I would've laughed in your face.

To rage now because they may make a minor tweak to the lore to make it work is just being petty.
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>>62426415
Totally this. Especially adding some of the oddities from the tabletop.
Like how all the generals war horse talent mentions not to call the horse Daisy, even Marius Lietdorf's, who's stallion is the Daisy they're referring to.
Speaking of Marius, I'd love it if they could work his insanity into the game.
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>>62425971
She could be a human working for vampires, even a necromancer of some sort. Not like it's impossible.
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>>62425557
There is so much more they could have done with the vampire lords though. Isabella should have been an attachment of Vlad and snip Ghorst so you could put something interesting in.
Like Neferata, Ushoran, Abhorash or fuckn Konrad or something. Shit there are so many neat fucking vampires.
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>>62427532
You know what they should have added?
Legendary Heroes.

That way they could fit people like Bugman, Ludwig, Luthor Huss, or Deathmaster Snikch in
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>>62427582
Seriously, that'd be the way to go.
I want my fucking Gor'rok.
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>>62427582
Green Knight and Krell are Unique Heroes.
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>>62427582
And for fun maybe they could throw in the Ubersreik Five.
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Hydra or Kharbidyss?
I'm starting Dark Elves and I'd like a monster to go with my pikes and crossbows.
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>>62419869
>>62420555
Either of you care to elaborate? This sounds funny.
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>>62427582
>Legendary Heroes are added to the game! Each are tied to a specific Lord, and are unlocked by doing a relatively easy side-mission that provides just enough story to explain why some may exist in the game.

>Karl Franz
>Ludwig Schwarzhelm

>Balthazar Gelt
>Kurt Hellborg

>Vokmar the Grim
>Luthor Huss

>Leoun Leoncour
>

>Albrec d'Bordelaux
>Repanse de Lyonesse

>The Fay Enchantress
>Bohemond Beastslayer

>Vlad and Isabella
>Konrad von Carstein

I can't think of good ones for most of the factions but you get the gist.
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>>62428114
Technically speaking Isabella would have been Vlad's Legendary Hero, considering she was never actually statted up as a Lord unit as opposed to a Hero.
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>>62428114
Technically speaking Isabella would have been Vlad's Legendary Hero, considering she was never actually statted up as a Lord unit as opposed to a Hero.
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>>62419553

>Not going to Lashiek or a dark corner of Marienburg and just buying an elf waifu.
>Not asking the timeless question of "ELF SLAVE WAT DO?"
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>>62422808
I can as long as I don't give the Sorcerer Lord a mark.
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>>62423167
Don't ask us, ask the AoS-general!
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>>62423545
Speak for yourself.
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>>62427761
That would be a lot of fun.
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>>62422403
Mah nigga.
Did you see the bull centaurs they just released?
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>>62428801
In fact, they could probably do that for Vermintide 3, as a cross - promotion with Total War Warhammer 3.
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>>62420148
Lol, yet another version of that weird heavy metal lady. Why do people love to pay homage to that image?
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>>62425971
>Getting angry about a character with a very vague ending getting VAMP'D just to make her work
Come on son
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>>62428879
Because it's a cool image and lots of people want it in lead on their table.
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>>62428969
>It's a cool image
It really isn't
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>>62427761
Or four. It doesn't matter.
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>>62427761
How?
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>>62424662
>AOS plays ok
no
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>>62425726
Ward only decided in the End Times that Luthor Harkon is a Blood Dragon because he has the same surname is Walach Harkon, despite Luthor Harkon coming first before bloodlines even existed. The 6th edition list is clear, he's not from any known bloodline.
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>>62423167
AOS has taken my favourite faction (greenskins) who were some of the aesthetically best looking faction in the game and smeared them with yellow piss and ruined the wyvern by jacking them in steroid makingbtuem look like the family guy pig
I will never forgive AOS for that
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Out of curiosity, what edition of WHFB were the Dwarfs the funnest on the table?
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>>62430022
Meanwhile, despite AoS splitting up my Dwarfs, they made Dwarfs more interesting to me, as I can just take a shitload of Ironbreakers instead of needing Dwarf Warriors or Miners or anything like that.
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>>62430022
Also newyvern costs like, 100$
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>>62430022
They still sell the old one mate.
Allthough to be fair, it's ludicrously priced.
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>>62427582
I've thought this for a while and will be genuinely surprised if it's not added in TWW3.
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>>62420146
My little 14 year-old weenie got so fucking hard reading ravening hordes
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>>62428498
You're more likely to find one in Erengrad. Marienburg is controlled by the EOG.
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>>62427532
Lol, putting a fucking first gen vamp like Neferata or Abhorash in and not having them solo a whole stack. Ushoran is dead
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Is a degenerated vampire clinging brutally to the vestiges of manhood and civilized behavior too cliche?
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>>62430826
Isn't that more or less the entire backstory of the Strigoi?
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>>62430830
Most of them aren't clinging too hard. I'm talking a guy who forces himself to walk upright, never uses ghouls unless he has to, wears armor and wields a weapon even if it's less effective, mutilates his face with a silver razor to keep bestial features less pronounced, etc.
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>>62430881
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gashnag

Gashnag is the closest I can think of.

Ushoran is quite similar as well considering his backstory.
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>>62428590
are you sure you don't need a specific mark when joining an unit? I thought it worked that way

if you can, do it, it will be more protected and you'll only need 2 more to form a new rank rather than 4
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>>62431069
>are you sure you don't need a specific mark when joining an unit? I thought it worked that way
Unmarked characters can join whatever unit regardless of their mark but marked characters can only join units that are either unmarked or have the same mark. I.e you can't have two different marks in the same unit but anything else is fine.

The only worry I have about putting a daemonic mounted Sorc Lord in the skullcrusher unit is that due to the different base sizes he won't get 'look out sir!' Then again he would have 1+ AS, T5, W3, 4+ WS and a charmed shield.
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>>62425971
there'll be a mod to turn her subfaction human in a matter of weeks
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>>62431155
Furthermore, while the loss of Lore of Nurgle limits my offensive capabilities somewhat both Lore of Shadow and Lore of Metal have some pretty sweet spells that would aid me as well as the non-dmging nurgle spells. I'm actually struggling to make a decision between the two. Shadow's signature is incredibly nice, especially for low WS Ogres, and the Enfeebling foe is also tremendously helpful but the sheer amount of useful spells in Metal seem to just be a better pick since I don't really need any other Shadow spells. The abundance of Metal spells that reduce the AS of my opponent would be really handy for my Warriors and the Ogres would love the nice addition to their lackluster AS which Glittering Robes brings and they would never say no to the +1 to hit from Enchanted Blades of Aiban or going up against a unit who's WS has been nerfed by Transmutation of Lead.
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Does anyone know of orc boy alternatives that are good looking first and foremost? I want them to look more like Big Uns than the GW range.
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>>62431358
https://www.momminiaturas.com/miniaturas-fantasia/orcos/
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>>62431414
Those look nice. Similar style to GW but not as exaggerated.
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>>62431419
Yeah. I find that a lot of the momminiaturas' models are quite nice.
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>>62431019
Except Ushoran never degenerated, the Strigoi started degenerating after Ushoran died.
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>>62430422
>Grab an old Warhammer character with a unique style and aesthetic meant to differentiate him from other bosses
>Now sell him as a generic lord for the Orruks™®
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So everyone’s least favourite shill, Daniel of Zhweilhander is adapting the unpublished Tetsubo manuscript for Warhammer 1st edition into a actual game.

How do I convert zwh into wfrp 2 and does the libra fanatica explain how to convert between 1st and 2nd editions?
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>>62431889
Nice try Daniel.
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>>62420807

I love that wizard, used him always for my empire army
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>>62431896
No, I saw it on Awesome Lies while looking for the last part of the EW companion, which isn’t there.
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>>62425592
>and another is never picked over her husband.
I only play as Izzy for vampires.
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>>62420807
What miniature line could match these guys?
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>>62419223
I finally found a possible recruit into wargaming, and so decided to come back myself after taking a hiatus.

HOWEVER I need something to introduce him that doesn't take a week just to skim through the rules (sorry, T9A) and then a month to figure out what the fuck I just read (sorry, proper WHFB), and that isn't an insult to human intelligence (sorry, KoW and AoS)

is there some kind of simplified starter rules, or maybe some non-silmarillion-sized version of skirmish rules for FB?
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In the late 80s it cost the modern equivalent of 100 aud to buy all 20 figures of any given model range that was on the colour pages of WD. That’s about 65 usd.
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>>62430826
Who gives a shit, go with it.
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>>62430826
literal description of 99% vampires in FB
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>>62432065
Try Song of Blades and Heroes. Simple rules but produces an interesting skirmish game. And can build pretty much any type of Fantasy unit.
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>>62432065
>non-silmarillion-sized version of skirmish rules for FB?
Ain't that just WHFB skirmish? It's WHFB but facing and combat resolution isn't a thing.
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>>62431774
I wonder if you can give a generic mounted Orruk™® character two hand weapons.

>>62432065
Why not go fuck yourself if neither WHFB, KoW or T9A doesn't suit you and him? Pretty sure that those "simplified starter rules" are gonna insult human intelligence more than KoW.
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Right, final LLs for Vampire Coast got datamined. Alongside Luther and Noctilus, we have Saltspite and Layla.

https://totalwarwarhammer.gamepedia.com/File:Pirates_of_Sartosa.png

https://totalwarwarhammer.gamepedia.com/File:Layla_FactionSymbol.png

Layla is from the story in the picture.
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>>62425852
Don't forget Karl Franz and Volkmar are completely useless to Gelt who has one of the best faction effects
>>62430797
Ushoran is a generic Strigoi Ghoul King in TWW2
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>>62432428
>Saltspite
wait, wasn't he a witch hunter?
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https://youtu.be/E-uTR8mCq5E
do you agree with this and why?
the elf shouldn't be so strong imho
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>>62432485
No, you're thinking of Vermintide's Saltspyre, it's Aranessa Saltspite.
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>>62432490
>Stick figure fight animation
>Felix staying alive longer than two seconds
>Gotrek not winning
That's a dumb animation.
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>>62432428
I'm guessing that's a new Sartosa logo then?

Huh, maybe there will be some non-undead pirate units in there. Hopefully Saltspite has a hybrid list and not just an undead one.
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>totalwar website crashes
damn...
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If there is hope it lies in the skinks.
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>>62432698
>Blue eyes
Not a vamp
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>>62432710
Yeah,
Queen of the Tides, Aranessa Saltspite is one of the most respected and feared pirate captains of Sartosa. Some say she is the daughter of the sea god Manann himself and he whispers to her to take control of all the world’s oceans.

Now, many a sea-bloated corpse washes up against the Swordfysh’s hull, and so the Vampire first mates breathe unlife into them, creating a vast rabble of loyal crew, ready to serve at Captain Saltspite’s command.

As part of the living realm rather than the undead, she commands a human pirate crew known as the Sartosa Free Company, otherwise reluctantly sharing control of the denizens of the Vampire Coast.
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>>62432634
>>62432698
She's human. She controls some human units plus undead so I guess we have an idea where the 'curse' comes from.
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>>62432710
also
>As part of the living realm rather than the undead, she commands a human pirate crew known as the Sartosa Free Company, otherwise reluctantly sharing control of the denizens of the Vampire Coast.
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>Mount Rotting Promethean: There are few sights as terrifying as Aranessa Saltspite riding into battle on a giant, rotting crustacean.
Aranessa confirmed to have crabs
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>>62432658
fucking skaven
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>>62432730
>She's human
She is chaos tainted mutant.
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>>62432698
>NOT VAMPED

YES.
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>>62432832
>calling manaan's daughter a mutant
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>end times
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>>62432718
This is interesting; I'm not really aware of any example of such casual necromancy in Warhammer from someone who's not a villain.
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>>62432065
I played my first game of Warhammer Fantasy when I was eight. It's not a complicated ruleset.
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>The Silver Princess and Helman Ghorst
Why do Vampires get the most obscure fucking lords?
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>>62432940
>casual
nothing casual about filling your crew.
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>>62419490
I want to rape the elf.
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>>62419604
>outmatched
You’re going up against barely civilized barbarian tribes with cannons & guns & that’s not even counting the LLs & magic?
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>>62420812
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>>62433026
they are stronger than you have more fearful magic and monsters.
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>>62422183
Do we count Space Marines against Chaos Space Marines? Their less sane counterparts have easily millennia of experience over them & all sorts of dark empowerments.
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>>62433041
They’re so disorganized that they infight every other second and even then, there will always be some empire protagonist who will beat the enemy. Even ET Chaos more or less won because everyone else kept fucking over everyone else, including themselves, every millisecond.
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>>62433061
They're also the losers of the marines, with old equipment that barely functions.
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>>62433137
The successful have either their equipment has either fused to their skin and became stronger than ever or looted things from their enemies. That’s not even counting the possibilities of a Daemon Prince.
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Araby and DoW are added by being Vampire Counts sub sub faction both led by ugly women.
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>>62433266
epik
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>>62433266
CA is based
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>the meltdown on /twg/
Those people need to seriously stop caring so much about anime girls jesus...
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Since CA now always adds 4 lords for DLC factions and base game, who could be lords of Kislev besides Tzarina and Boris?
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>>62433544
whats going on?
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>>62433572
Reeeeee women
Reeeeeeeeee man face
Reeeeeeeee fantasy

Same as always
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>>62433562
Not guaranteed. Race packs will still be 2 or 3 LLs rather than 4.
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>>62433662
Aranessa not being a very hot I understand, but they should have made some other women hotter, like damsels for example.
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>>62433696
Why? CA's business isn't fap bait.
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>>62433692
Tomb Kings and Pirates have 4 because they decided to ditch mini campaign.
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>>62433562
Ulrika Straghov

That Ungol mentioned in RotIQ.
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>>62433716
Making damsels ugly is like making greenskins blue. We know they can make attractive models so there's really no excuse.
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>>62433716
It makes no sense to make all damsels grannies, they should be at least somewhat pretty.
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>>62433740
>yfw yet another vampire Legendary Lord.
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>Now, many a sea-bloated corpse washes up against the Swordfysh’s hull, and so the Vampire first mates breathe unlife into them, creating a vast rabble of loyal crew, ready to serve at Captain Saltspite’s command. As part of the living realm rather than the undead, she commands a human pirate crew known as the Sartosa Free Company, otherwise reluctantly sharing control of the denizens of the Vampire Coast.
does it mean saltspit here has vampirates in her crew that do the undead recruiting for her?
sartosa has mixed living and undead crews confirmed?

best compromise desu
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>>62433696
>but they should have made some other women hotter
The various lords generally look fine enough, and that's all that really matters.
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>>62433776
Prophetess, damsel, witch elf mods are a must. Morathi has plenty of reskins, personally I just get smoother, fairer skin for her and there is a great mod that changes Hellebrons look in campaigns and battles depending if she did blood ritual thingy or not. There are more mods for other lords and heroes too. Biggest problem is that models themselves are not moddable as far as I know so you can't give them a bit more feminine look.
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>>62433760
>>62433766
If you want to sperg because your tww waifu isnt pretty enough, that's your prerogative. But no, it's not a necessity for them to be beautiful. It literally makes 0 difference.
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>>62433882
Mate, elves and damsels should be at least somewhat pretty. I can agree that Arannessa shouldn't be very hot but I think problem is that her head just looks weird, oversized maybe.
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>>62433908
Mate elves and damsels should spells, stats, and some form of model. These are things that actually make a difference in gameplay. Is it nice when they're aesthetically pleasing? Sure. Is it a necessity for the game? No.

And coming from a game that sometimes had ugly as fuck models for people that >should be pretty, you should understand the difference.
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>>62433696
>>62433760
damsels being hags is funny because it means that bretonnias have to consider them pretty or they get turned into frogs. Its a joke.

The elf women are generally pretty and Aranessa looks rugged.
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>>62433882
Why do you hate aesthetic qualities and seek to destroy them, attacking any who want to point out their absence?
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>>62433941
I don't play tabletop, and I disagree, artworsk and game wise aesthetics were always import. In case of TWW stats can be modded fairly easily, models can't be modded meanwhile. Which sucks because otherwise we would probably have tons of missing units in the game.
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>>62433979
there are pretty reskins for bretonnia
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>>62433983
Yeah, at least we got that.
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>>62433973
I don't hate aesthetic qualities. I pointed out they are not vital to gameplay. Is it appreciated? Sure it is. Is it a necessity that heroes be gorgeous supermodels? It isn't. And sperging out over it like is done at /twg/ is just silly.

Total War isn't for waifufagging.
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>>62434005
>waifufagging
It is partially for that. For some people at least. But that's besides the point, they should have made damsels prettier.
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>>62434030
>for some people at least
Like said before, if that's what you get out if it then that's on you. It's not CA's job to fulfill your fetish.
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>>62433882

Come on man, she might be Bruce Willis daughter with that fcking chin.
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>>62432049
Nothing I can think of. This is absolutely classic early Warhammer comic style. No one quite makes them like this anymore.
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>>62434059
So? She casts spells when I need her to cast spells. That's really all that's needed. If looks are that important to you then there are mods to remedy that.
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>>62434056
I guess, since a lot of CA fans are dicksuckers and not just in terms of waifus.
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>>62434074
There aren't, dlc is not out yet.
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>>62434090
I thought we were talking about Damsels. If you're referring to Aranessa then mods will most likely remedy that in the future.
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>>62434074

Her head looks fucking weird, thats all.
She is no ones waifu, wtf are you talking about, it's not like people are saying she nerds buffer tits.
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>>62419271
Blood Bowl Orc girls only.
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>>62433998
so it works. The bretonnia one works great as an insider joke. The fay enchantress looks qt and prophetesses look alright.
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>>62434173
>insider joke
Not worth it.
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>>62434191
yes it is.
Only bootyblasted bretfags get angry that their perfect pretty women are actually old hags.
The peasants looking like gremlins while imperial soldiers looking spry is another example.

Bretonnia makes up for it in more interesting campaign mechanics and the ability to play tall.
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>>62434216
It should have interesting mechanics and pretty damsels.
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>>62433941
You are talking to a waifufag.
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>>62434231
there are mods for pretty damsels. Bretonnia being a bit of a joke like they are in fluff is good fun and all.
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>>62423167
The game at launch was complete garbage. Its decent in the current edition, if a bit simple and kind of unsure if it wants to be a skirmish or wargame.

The lore isn’t bad as a new setting, but holy shitballs is it bad for a Warhammer thing. Kinda like if the sequel to the Lord Of The Rings trilogy was Spyro The Dragon. Not a bad story really, but a TERRIBLE successor to an existing setting.

We hate it because we reject it as that. Its our Ghostbusters 2016, except you can’t pretend all the people who hate it are just mysoginists.
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Dear /tg/,
I've got one question, and it is for science. Are there any official female miniatures in entire WFB Empire range? Any pictures? Old editions are cool too.
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>>62434262
I know but it would have been better if they made them pretty form get go.Bigger problem is witch elves, you can reskin them but you can't mod their models to give them wider hips, oh well.
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>>62434297
them being skinny is alright personally. I thought autists here wanted ayylves
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>>62434280
the sisters of sigmar come to mind
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>>62434280
Ulrika Magdova, Forge World Elspeth von Draken.
And >>62434325
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>>62419846
What's 500 points of Empire look like?
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>>62434280
Lucrezzia Belladonna.
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>>62434323
Yeah, there was some fag who wanted that. Anyway, overall they did ok job (except for witch elves and damsels), but I would like my sorceress to have a tad bigger hips (not massively mind you) and a bit more feminine jaw but at best I will get reskins, thanks CA....
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>>62434332
>that skin color
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>>62434396
She is bloodsucker.
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>>62434403
So make her pale.
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>>62423172
>>62423049

For a mammoth you can even go to the toy store, buy a plastic mammoth for like $6 and make it look like a Chaos mammoth.
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>>62424405

Aren't they 26mm, not 28mm?
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>>62434442
Or LotR Mumak.
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>>62425971
I wouldn’t be angry.

But I think she’ll be living. After all, Throgg isn’t human in a mostly human faction. Arkhan isn’t even in the TK faction so much as Nagash’s own, but is in their army using Vampire troops.

I think there will be a unit of living pirates in the faction, and she’ll specialize in them.
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>>62430035
Probably 5e, since I know Slayers were shit since at least 6e.
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>>62431608
Ushoran didn’t die. His novel, which is unconnected to ET in any way, confirmed he survived via retcon. He degenerated physically when in Vampire attack mode, but not mentally and he can still look like a normal man when he wants.
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>>62432940
>Murderous pirate
>Not a villain
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>>62432428
Awesome!

So is she actually Arabyan, or was she just a Necrarch in a disguise that justified a headdress?
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>>62434332
Kislevite and not-GW
>>62434335
Tilean

I'm asking about GW-made, Empire model.

I'm not sure if Sisters of Sigmar count. They're a warband in Mordheim and a non-military* convent in Fluff.

I'm looking for any miniature in Old World Empire army. Doesn't need to be a special character, can be a common member from some unit.

*-I'm not sure, but I think they picked up arms only after the comet hit in a post apo fashion, so it's hard to count them as a military unit...
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>>62434614
I think she is actually Lahmian. Has silver in her title like the Silver Pinnacle, acts like a Lahmian and heads eastwards after the event towards the mountains where the Silver Pinnacle actually is.
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>>62433908
Eh, she’s hot.
Probably always smells like fish and rotting skin, but its Warhammer so everyone is covered in shit except Elves and Grail Knights anyway.
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>>62434650
I thought all Lahmians were pretty.
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>>62434765
its because of the pose. Her head looks normal in the twitter vid.
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>>62434059
You wouldn’t Bruce Willis’s daughter?

Faggot.
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>>62434581
>Privateer who raids Vampires and Norscans
>Villain
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>>62434772
The one thing against her but she managed to get the count on her side so she is a more magical Lahmian.
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>>62434772
It may not be a rule, but there’s no counter-example I know of.

>>62434650
True, but Necrarchs are the ones known for rotting and being unable to glamour themselves into looking human.

I guess its something we can only guess at. I’d say we could wait for her stats, but Beguile is mesmerization rather than beauty and the Lahmians can be badass wizards too.
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>>62432490
>Stick figure fights
I thought people got over that trash?
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>>62434636
So, there are no female Empire models in existence?
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>>62435004
Checkthe old ranges. Citadel made a lot of minis under random themes back when Warhammer was a warband roleplaying game and they were trying to unload the D&D stuff they lost the license to sell.

I guarantee you that you can find female adventurers in what would later be called the Empire faction.
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>>62433696
>>62433760
>>62433766
But damsels are pretty for a Bretonnian
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>>62435223
Number 15 here, Agnes.
Although it has to be said, these are more like RPG figures.
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>>62435297
exactly. Their peasants look like bogmonsters compared to imperials in the game.
Makes sense their women would look like crazy cat ladies.
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>>62435334
>>62435297
Damsels are not some peasant women. Stop defending CA.
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>>62435438
>Stop defending CA.
THIS! These cucks have gone too far this time! We, the gamers, demand that ALL women in games look like real women, like the beauties of Senran Kagura!
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>>62435509
Stop false flagging too.
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>>62435532
I'm not false flagging, I'm mocking you
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>>62435297
not sure about that, considering the fay enchantress is in the same game

but, like, who cares
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>>62435549
You did it wrong then. I don't ask all women to be hot, like Arannessa shouldn't be very pretty. But elves, damsels should be. And not over the top hot, but more feminine then how some of them were modeled.
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>>62435604
Elves are hot.
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>>62435615
Not all of them.
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>>62434553
>Black Library
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>>62434636
>not-GW
It is.
http://www.solegends.com/citle2000/promotions/pr33gotrek/index.htm
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Does CA have the balls to make Malice the fifth Legendary for Daemons?

>>62435322
Adventurers are just Free Company who survive a battle.
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>>62435673
>Malice
Get your 40k shit out of here.
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>>62434335
Don't remember exactly, but what I have been running is:

Fighty hero with heavy armour, Lance and barded warhorse
OR
lvl2 wizard hero with dispell scroll

15-20 Spearmen, shields, light armour, full command

10 handgunners

Great cannon
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>>62434458
an ogre thundertusk fits better than a lotr mumak, due to heroic proportions and warhammer detailing

there're also third parties, but I don't know the cost
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>>62435680
Malice is Malal.

Nobody can use the name Malal except the guys that created Judge Dredd. Anybody can use the nameMalice.

Even Tony Ackland, the guy who created and now owns all of Malal’s Daemons, calls them Malice Daemons when he sells minis and prints of them.


CA could and probably would buy the rights to use Malice Daemons in TWW if they wanted to. Ackland is known for throwing the rights to that around so long as he gets a cut of sales.
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>>62435673
>Does CA have the balls to make Malice the fifth Legendary for Daemons?
no

but they have the balls to make dogs of war and disregard arabian plebs, I hope
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>>62435673
Nah they'll probably chicken out and give us fucking Belacuk for Chaos Undivided instead
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>>62435824
having be'lakor is a win win situation
chaosfags can lose while using it
everyone else can throw rocks at him
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>>62435604

>implying elves shouldn't look uncanny
>implying the damsels don't look feminine, and your mind isn't warped and rotted by anime
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>>62435908
people are mad they look like grannies.
I like them.
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>>62435908
Regardless of our tastes CA did not go with ayy lmao elves so no, they should't. As for damsels, biggest problem is that they look too old.
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>>62435334
That's only their peasants though. Their nobles look fine, and the Damsels should look as good as the nobles.

Of course the real problem is that CA can only make pretty elves if they make pretty humans and slap pointy ears on them, so to make them look distinct from humans they have to make all other humans slightly uglier to compensate.
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>>62435947
Durr
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>>62435956
He's right and you know it.
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>>62435947
>That's only their peasants though. Their nobles look fine, and the Damsels should look as good as the nobles.
Agre-
>Of course the real problem is that CA can only make pretty elves if they make pretty humans and slap pointy ears on them
>wanting ayy lmaos
no
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>>62435993
no need to samefag friend.

CA made the fay enchantress attractive.
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>>62435997
>not wanting ayy elves
I bet there is some thread on /a/ or /e/ where you can masturbate to some humans with pointy ears.
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>>62435997
I don't want ayy lmaos, I just want them to try and make something other than humans with pointed ears. At least make their faces a little narrower or make their eyes black or something.

They put so much work into the dwarf faces and their proportions, so much so that they look legitimately weird and inhuman without their beards, but if you took the ears off the average elf they'd look like a normal human.
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>>62436100
>stylized art is realistic for elves
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>>62436123
they look like manbabbies without their beards you idiot.
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>>62436100
There are western elves who do not have ayy lmao look and stop with your /a/ shit, I don't watch anime.
>>62436123
I would rather not, I like humans with pointy ears more.
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>>62436134
>realistic
>for elves
You fucking what?
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>>62436179
>muh 5 ayylves
stick to vermintide
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>>62436179
>those eyes
eww
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>>62436179
Those look fucking hideous, no thank you. I'll take CA's rendition
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>>62436171
>There are western elves who do not have ayy lmao look
Isn't it a good thing that we actually got some variety instead of anime samefaces?
>>62436171
>I don't watch anime
You should be more open to new things, anime elves are pretty shite, but there are some good shows.
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>>62436221
the AoS reskin of her is pretty good. Alarielle has that big booty
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>>62436216
>>62436221
It seems obvious that's the waifufags that want boring bogstandard humans with pointy ears because it's easier to masturbate to that.
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>>62436123
>They put so much work into the dwarf faces and their proportions
Because dwarves are super distinct in miniature and art form. To the same degree that GW's orcs are.

Elves are all over the place style-wise, and CA had to do three different varieties of them. Humans with pointy ears is fine, considering.
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>>62436230
I don't want anime samefaces either, just normal faces. Pic related is the most angled eyes I would accept.
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>>62436247
>posts bogstandard male human with makeup
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>>62436290
Do you even have a single pic of a male elf saved?
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>>62436307
Fine, I wanted to post a pic that doesn't get your booty blasted. Here, have the most ayy ayy elf.
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>>62436307
To be fair, elves are just humanoids, you can't really do much to make them different. Truly alien beings are hard to design.
>>62436312
I think so, a lot of Mally from TWW but most of the shit is not organized right now, I just have separate folder for WH card game art. Also have mmo game concept art collection that some kind anon shared.
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>>62436358
>you can't really do much to make them different
They did a pretty good job, in my opinion. And those aren't even the rather alien.
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>>62436412
It's not what I meant. Elves and dwarfs will never be very different because they are based on humans - they are humanoids. I would rather have normal elves instead ayy lmao ones because that just makes them ugly without adding anything worthy (for me at least). I think in terms of fantasy races it's often better to focus on different elements of their worldbuilding - culture, history, society. Imo sci fi lends better to for creating truly alien beings. But then, one might asked if they are truly that alien if you can make them up. And yes, I like sexy elves.
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>>62436323
Didn’t Teclis have normal eyes in the same army book that came from?

I think ayy eyes are just a natural Elf eye type, not something they are all supposed to have.
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>>62436521
I personally prefer that ayylves be a wood elf thing.
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Elves are just humans with mild acromegaly, eightball fractures, and pointed ears.
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>>62436564
whats 8ball fractures precious?
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>>62436540
Maybe a western Ulthuan thing.
Nagarythe would give it to Dark Elves, Tiranoc to Wood Elves.
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>>62436521
Art is all over the place anyway.
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>>62436593
is there a link between tiranoc and wood elves?
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>>62436510
A waifufags opinion should not considered in the grand scheme of things, for he only thinks with his dick and cares not for anything else.
>>62436521
That infamous 6ed high elf army book had this as its cover, yes. It's from a completely different artist.
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>>62436247
We just want the elves to be Warhammer elves, not something that only appeared for a brief while largely from one artist.
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>>62436631
No but game devs who take marching orders from GW execs and ex GW artists have a greater weight to their opinions than angry spergs.
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There's no argument to be made about how elves should look. They're supposed to be beautiful to humans, this has appeared in everything from army books to the RPG to Gotrek & Felix, where a barbarian chick gets instantly wet for Teclis.

There's a place for sharp features and black sclera and that sort of thing, but art like >>62436323 contradicts decades of established lore, to say nothing of art before and since.
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>>62436583
Go-rill-az!
Feel good, happy, name is Pot, Stu!
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>>62436642
>We just want the elves to be Warhammer elves
Are you really claiming that there is one kind of warhammer elf? Nobody that posted alien elves ever said that this is how they are. That choice of pic however is just proving that waifufags only care about them beign fappable.
>>62436658
It's almost like to was considered that they needed to appeal to normalfag taste when making video games. At least we got some more originality through Kerillian.
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>>62436613
Tiranoc had all the colonies.
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>>62436631
>A waifufags opinion should not considered in the grand scheme of things
no u
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>>62436723
no you literal sperg, Kerillian just has black eyes. The wood elf spellsingers have ayy eyes if that is your thing but they are also mentioned as extremely attractive to humans.

You are just bootyblasted that bretonnian women look like hags and no one in bretonnia is brave enough to tell them otherwise.
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>>62436739
huh, the chariotpeople eh?
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>>62436679
I actually think that would be considered beautiful. Just compare it how miserable humasn look most of the time. Sharp and fine features, healthy skin, all teeth there. People automatically assume super models, but in some kind of pre-modern world just looking healthy would probably make you look good. Add to that the exoticism.
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>>62436679
>where a barbarian chick gets instantly wet for Teclis
>Implying this was anything other than shitty writing
That was just cringe. This was the same book Teclis wakes up with twins in his bed.
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>>62436782
I never once said anything about Bretonnian women, I'm not that anon. That anon didn't even argue for extremely ayy elves, he just didn't want them to look like humans with pointy ears.
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>>62436813
You have weird tastes. Have you been watching PROBBED.COM or maybe you like chinks?
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>>62436849
>teclis wakes up with twins in his bed
>gets angry when they clearly like his brother more

yeah, that sounds like the almost-school-shooter teclis from Willy king's books.
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>>62436853
Pic related looks like a human with pointy ears you idiot.

That is what TWW elves look like. They aren't grimy and always look well kept
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>>62436908
>Gets angry when they clearly like his brother more
I don't remember that happening. One of them wakes up and starts asking him about his dreams then he memory wipes her and puts her to sleep because he a date rapist.
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>>62436925
Sorry, didn't want to imply that the pic I posted was a human with pointy ears. Just posted pics at random.

More Adrian Smith just because.
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>>62436849
Literal prostitutes who instantly want his brother instead.
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>>62434772
It's explicitly stated in the text that she has scars all over her face. She doesn't rot or get old, she's been mutilated by some cruel bastard. Delfs, maybe?
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>>62436986
they were prostitutes you idiot.
Teclis also dicks human women because they think he is attractive. He is terribly insecure about his physical body and borderline /r9k/
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>>62437001
>from Araby
>vampire and consorts with foreigners
You know full well who did it.
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>>62437036
>They were prostitutes you idiot
Aren't all elves?
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>>62436259
I'm mostly salty because I think they did it as an easy way to save time so they could work on everything else, than that they really were thinking about finding a middle ground sort of elf. In an ideal world every faction and race would have gotten equal care and consideration, but lizards and rats need special animations and we need to ship the whole thing out in time, so let's cut a few corners to make this easier on ourselves.
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>>62437059
Imagine being so ugly that hoes don't wanna sleep with you.
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>>62437092
>imagine
Heh... Yea imagine.
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>>62436679
>There's no argument to be made about how elves should look. They're supposed to be beautiful to humans
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>>62437059
Your memes end here.
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>>62437100
Warhammer is entertainment anyway. So you ether like ayy lmaos or regular elves.
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>>62436794
Yeah. Not sure if its to make them more Greek or their fall more tragic, but they were the colonizers.
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>>62437141
Why can't there be a middle ground? Kerillian is a bit ayy, but it's not like she's completely alien, she's still recognizably beautiful.
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I actually bought the Mangler Squigs from GW directly and now I just feel awful.

-Didn't tell my FLGS to order them for me so they'd make money
-Actually paid fucking 50€ for a single model. Worth 65 points. Usable only in 8th ed and AoS.

I mean, the idea is to take one squig and make him into a squig steed for my warboss, and the other to run solo as a mangler squig, but I still feel shitty about this purchase. Like, there is just no fucking excuse for a model of this size and these parts to cost fucking 50 euro. Add 15€to that and I could have bought 590 points of Clan Pestilens and a Grey Seer. Fuck.
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>>62437183
because different devs have different artistic visions and total war based their units upon the miniatures.
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>>62437183
Well that was artist decision, as that anon said. I like how they are in TWW or in some other games and art though.
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>>62437196
Shit happens.

I got the 8e HE book, Heraldry, Alarielle, and the Handmaiden but didn’t play a single game during 8e or ET.
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>>62436642
Meanwhile, in the 4th edition...
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>>62437364
Hair metal as fuck.
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>>62437364
Looks better than ayys.
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>>62437364
>that scrawny Sun Dragon
Que
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>>62423167
>Tomb Kings and Bret are dead at the moment, but I feel pretty confident in assuming they'll come back
doubtful
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>>62434772
>>62437001
Could have been a lot of things. A von Carstein, a Lahmian, or even a Necharch. It probably WASN'T a Tomb Kang, because one of those would've just killed her. It would require someone capable of capturing and holding a vampire and knowing how to permanently mutilate one, while also having the patience to do so.
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>>62434005
Jokes on you, I think Aranessa is total waifu material as is.
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>>62434280
In the main army lists, nothing really comes to mind. You could count the Sisters of Sigmar from Mordheim, but eh...
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>>62437183
That's what I said, though.

Incidentally, posting badly-executed art does not somehow invalidate the greater tide of lore and art.
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>>62434457
I use mirliton with GW; up to at least 6th edition, they work fine.
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>>62437568
Which is ironic, because they fit perfectly into AoS's cartoon retard aesthetic.
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>>62434581
She's a neutral pirate who raids everyone, not a necromancer, a vampire, a chaos sorcerer, etc.
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>>62437851
Interesting taste anon, good for you though.
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>>62437183
You rely don't want to see what she looks like under the veil
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>>62436100
>Implying that's not more erotic.

God damn you're a freak.
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>>62437904
So Harkon and Noctilus are full Hitlers while she's just a jackass
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>>62437100
Seeing how varied Warhammer depicts all its races over the period of its existence, you can genuinely find enough examples to make every race with the exception of say the Fimir or such look gorgeous or like twisted mutatns.
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>>62437949
She's a normal person that looked at the equivalent of undead crazy Hitler and went 'huh I can work with this.' That's kind of evil in its own way.
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>>62437124
Shut the fuck up, Noldorfag.
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>>62437364
Have a look at the inside of the book for lots of humans with pointy ears. GW has never had a uniform way for how it's depicted its elves. Pic related, 3rd edition Witch Elves.
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>>62437949
No, they're undead evil vampires, she's just a regular pirate.
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>>62437559
Those didn't exist before the 7th edition.
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>>62438057
Now that's heavy metal.
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