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Janky Jank Edition

Previously: >>62404990

RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their decks strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commanders color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

CARD SEARCH
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://scryfall.com

>Thread Topic
What cards look like obvious combo pieces, but don't really combo with anything?
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damn i literally just posted in the last thread
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>>62422721
>TQ
weatherseed treefolk
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>>62422721
alpine moon
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>>62422721
You know, Blood Funnel looks like it could be useful if you're generating token creatures each turn.
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TQ
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>>62422851
i love heartless summoning. it's just a good card in any deck that wants to slam big creatures.
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>>62422721


Run all of these in a deck together
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The Rakdos player is making me wear a chastity cage when I play my Trostani deck. He says it his house so his rules and if I win a game I can be let out. What are some hate cards I can put in against BR to deal with this?
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>>62422721
>sick ass bitch in BDSM attire
>gore magic
>death metal tier
OG Ravnica had sick art. I love the comic-like looking of the cards. What a shitworld we are now
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>>62422721
Pic unrelated?
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>>62422721
>TQ
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>>62423068
Combos with Undergrowth. Maggot faggot t1?
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I need some reliable and efficient recursion mainly for my own graveyard in mono black (Geth). I have pic related what else would be good?
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>>62422998
>tfw no gay sexual sadist playgroup
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>>62423068
enter the infinite, battle of wits, elixir of immortality, one with nothing
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>>62423181
Nim Deathmantle?
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>>62422998
Celestial Purge, Lightwielder Paladin, Devout Lightcaster, Absolute Law/Absolute Grace, pic related
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>>62422998
I see forced memes are still alive and well.
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>>62423281
i run enter the infinite in my saheeli 2.0 and it is an istant win as ill just drop elixir of immortality to prevent tricky draws, pass the turn and then go for inner fire+comet storm with pact of negation+commit/memory+counterflux in hand
its always a guaranted win (most ridiculous i had was on a 5x 2hg table at turn 4) if eti resolves
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>>62422998
You can make him misplay a bunch by giving him nice, gentle footjobs under the table, ya sissy :3
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>>62422748
Fork is on the reserve list you simp.
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>>62424633
I assume that's why they were saying Reverberate is bullshit.
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>>62423281
Um enter the infinite is an instant win for me in jhoira. I play a mana crypt tap a blue and show and tell in omniscience and then take infinite extra turns with beacon of tomorrow. and I cheat out enter the infinite with jhoira’s suspend.
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Anyone got some pointers for 1v1 EDH deckbuilding?
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>>62424875
what kind of deck are you using?
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>>62424893
I dunno mang, I've never done this shit.
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>>62424964
I would recommend decks that have a hard time focusing on multiple players, like brion stoutarm big things
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>>62424633
>>62424793
yeah, claiming that reverberate is different is utter bullshit. it's the same card.

>>62425291
brion doesn't have trouble with multiple opponents because you just keep everybody at bay with the threat of activation.

control and aggro are both a lot better in 1v1.
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>>62424875
Do you play with a regular banlist? Or 1v1 banlist?
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>>62422721
The three modules. They were clearly given one too many restrictions to be worth it, even if another piece comes along some day making them cheaper.

Also Diregraf Collossus unless I missed some tech. That thing feels like it should be one half of an infinite zombie loop. Still a good card though.
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Anyone play NuAvacyn as a commander? Is it any good or pretty straight forward?
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>>62426030
>Boros
>Any good
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>>62425884
Ignore the tap abilities. Add Ashnod's Altar. Make infinite 2/2 Servos.
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>>62425884
>cast gravecrawler
>get zombie
>sac to phyrexian altar
>repeat
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>>62422851
If I had more death-trigger-matters cards, I'd run this in my Sek'Kuar deck.
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>>62426042
I'm sure you could build a control-y deck and use those neat impulse draw and rummage draw cards red has now.
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>>62424875
Control and aggro have already been said but infect is also extremely effective 1v1.
I have Atraxa Infect and it's a phenomenal deck but the one big problem is that as soon as people find out I am using infect I become arch enemy. It definitely exceeds in 1v1 because of that very aspect.
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Tips for playing mono-green edh and dealing with control decks? I'm trying to play elves but all my shit gets blown up or sent to my hand
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>>62426460
Defense Grid, Asceticism, Archetype of Endurance, Heroic Intervention, Seedtime, Autumn's Veil, Leyline of Lifeforce, Lifeforce, and most important City of Solitude (note this one is one of the very few cards in the entire game that can stop even mana abilities)
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>>62426543
oh, and Conqueror's Flail
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I'm having a hard time keeping interest in a deck for more then a few weeks. Any ideas?
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Getting kind of bored of EDH. Give me some unusual/silly deck ideas.
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>>62426616
What decks have you tried and dropped?
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>>62426708
Try winning with Maze's end.
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>>62426708
Win by decking everyone else out and forcing them to draw from empty decks
BUT
You do so by having them have their whole libraries in their hands instead of vanilla milling them.
Cards that read "each player draws _" (Fascination, Prosperity, Skyscribing, etc), while you yourself have draw replacement cards out such as Archmage Ascension and Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar.
Hard Mode: No LabMan
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>>62426592
>>62426543
I only have half of those, so I'll look the rest up. Cheers
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>>62426956
also Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, and other such symmetrical added draw cards
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>>62426708
Boros
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>>62426460
>>62426543
>>62426592
don't forget hall of gemstone
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>>62426925
I started with karn about 6 years ago and have played dozens of different generals. I usually play control, but I've played Voltron (thrun), combo, aggro, etc. Xenagos was my maindeck for a year. I'll forget some generals, but I have played karn, kozilek, krenko, Oona, yisan, talrand, thrund, oloro, teferi, kalitas, grimgrin, heliod, nahiri, brago, new avacyn, quite a few more I don't remember
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>>62426460
Maybe choke? It prevents players from untapping Islands the normal way.
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>>62426460
Fuck smokin hot BLUE MAGES up their ASS with this one weird trick!!
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Quick question for you niggers.
If I have Nephalia Smuggler, Rashmi, and Paradox Engine can I play my entire deck, given I have enough mana to cast the highest CMC in my deck or will the flicker effect not work with Rashmi?
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>>62427374
Don't forget his little cousin!
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>>62427396
Rashmi doesn't count "your first spell" on her permanent itself, she checks the game state for if the spell you're casting is the first spell you've cast that turn, so flickering her won't let you trigger her again in the same turn.
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>>62427466
Ah shit.
Okay thanks bro.
I'll have to throw some kind of infinite turn bullshit in there instead to get the desired effect.
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>>62427162
Oh I got that one. Heh people really hate that one.
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>Cards finally arrived in the mail
>slot them in, deck suddenly plays totally differently
>combos and triggers just like I'd hoped, even some new interactions I didn't anticipate
>my board is twice the size of opponents' most of the time
Riding this high while it lasts lads
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So how many decks do you guys have currently that are not precons?
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>>62427593
In order of their creation:
Karador reanimator
Atraxa Infect
Nicol Bolas steal shit
Rashmi combos/control
And currently working on Gishath dino tribal.
My wife also has a Tishana card draw deck that operates extremely well for being built from a handful of high value cards and the rest being old shit I didn't want that she made work.
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>>62427593
One
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>>62427593
Aurelia Shitwhip
Yuriko Group Slug Flavor Win
Multitude Lands Matter

Working on magi tribal with Inalla at the helm if that counts.
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>>62427692
Muldrotha, not multitude
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>>62427593
9.

i have one that i might take apart though.
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>>62427593
Three, with one in the process of being built.
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>>62427593
Currently I have four complete decks and I am at the moment building three more. I took apart a couple other decks I had because they weren't performing as well as newer decks I made.
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>>62422851
This card is goat in shirei tho
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>>62427692
>Aurelia Shitwhip

what?
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>>62426460
>mono-green
>blown up
Aside from playing those one off stuff like heroic intervention, look into playing stax type cards like root maze or something that lets you break parity easily. It's hard for elfball to recover, so your best bet is just to slow everyone else down.
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>>62427374
FUCK BLUE MAGES
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>>62427593
>Izzet wheels with nu-mizzet
>tasigur control
>sidisi jank beats
>merieke ri berit (currently being reworked)
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>>62427593
Xenaghost Gruul Reanimator
Gonti steal your cards and turns
Etali nonsense high roll deck
Thada good stuff

I wanna turn Thada into Burinclad or whatever the fuck the token c18 izzet card is called. Also working on a rakdos reanimator deck while hoping the rakdos legends aren't dogshit
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>>62427569
It's the best feeling
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is there an effect in the vein of "you can sacrifice your opponent's permanents as if they were under your control"?
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>>62428291
no. you're thinking of this shitty custom card i posted a few months ago.
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>>62428291
You can just steal their shit.
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i'm honestly considering cutting doubling season from my rhys deck. when it doesn't work, you've wasted a turn and 5 mana on something that got blown up. when it does work, it's basically just overkill, as there's not much difference between 20 evles and 40 elves when you've got any kind of overrun effect.

my meta is pretty quick and low to the ground, games are usually over by turn 6 or 7, so spending an entire turn on setup with doubling season feels iffy.

am i crazy, or should i swap it for an extra overrun effect?
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>>62427593
Ezuri and Breya but both are hardly recognisable from the precons since 70% of the core has been altered. Chromium might be placed on hold since GAAIV is starting to interest me
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>>62428471
If you aren't using the counters aspect of it, just go 1 mana cheaper with either parallel lives/annointed procession
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>>62428541
already running both

i feel less bad about those though because the jump down to 4 mana is pretty significant

as far as counters go, i'm running gavony township and mikaeus, but it's still 5 mana and usually doesn't do anything right away
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Is this only really playable in Kazuul pillow fort?
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>>62428608
i'd give that a big yes
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>>62428618
While more flexible in what it can sacrifice, 2 mana is a real cost. I wouldn't rule out Crevasses entirely, relatively speaking.
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>>62428683
i'm saying play both if you're going snow lands
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>>62428471
What's up fellow elf bro? Can I see your decklist? I be struggling
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>>62427593
Eight: Mina and Denn, Bladewing, Jeskai Partners, Karlov, Zada, Etali, Talrand, and Gonti.

>>62422998
I never really understood this meme. I get GW being the sissy color, it's even sort of reinforced by Captain Sisay, but the Rakdos part eludes me. Rakdos are just a bunch of metalheads and edgelords. If you want a purebread sadist, find someone who identifies as an UB control player, nobody else will unironically preach about how much they enjoy making their opponents suffer for as prolonged a period as possible.
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looking at my existing decks i have every color represented 4 times except for green and red which are both represented 3 times.

so i guess i need to make a gruul deck. are any of them fun at all? i'm not cedh but i have a spiky meta.
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>>62428932
Ruric Thar is the best Gruul commander. He punishes everyone for not playing battlecruiser like you are.
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>>62428783
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rhys-elfball/?cb=1539239459
sorry for the delay, just typing it up

the reason i'm not playing cradle is because i don't own cradle
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>>62428486
Lol. I like your frog... monster. I like the art too.
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Should you even bother running mana rocks in a normal 1v1 EDH deck? Are they wroth it?
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>>62429332
yes and yes, if you are playing it as edh and not canadian highlander plus.
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>>62429358
What do you mean as Canadian Highlander plus
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>>62429388
what do you mean What do you mean as Canadian Highlander plus
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>>62429404
I'm retarded anon, I'm not sure what you mean.
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>>62429424
I'm sure what you mean what I mean, is that Canadian Highlander plus without mana rocks
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>>62429424
its a 100 card legacy singleton format. it doesnt really use rocks as much as edh. thats the joke.
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>>62422721
Hi /edhg/. Quick question: I have some old cards and between them I have some kher cards (kobolds mainly, one Rohgahh). Would it be viable to build a deck with him as commander?
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>>62429433
Aight
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>>62429524
Prossh is just a value engine that can flat-out win the game with a huge list of cards. So long as your deck isn't a terrible meme it'll be strong, but if it's not at least half-decent expect to die to focus fire for playing Prossh
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>>62428608
Try it in Ib Halfheart MLD tribal
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>>62427593
>collecting green foils
>doing so for 15 yrs
>longbox filled with green edh cards
>all presleeved
>build a deck on the spot

So.. do I have just the one deck, or ten?
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>>62427960
It's just Boros aggro with a bunch of big angels like Akroma and anthems
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>>62429993
As long as they're not placed together in a group of 100 unique cards except for basic lands with a legendary creature as your commander, you have no decks.
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>>62423181
A lil more expensive recurring nightmare, the card is actually gud.
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>>62424875
Control is ruling 1v1. Check on mtgtop8 if you want an idea.
t. live in a country where the only iteration of edh existing is 1v1 cedh, very popular but strangelly noone play multi edh.
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>>62426210
Why don't you simply replace diregraf with one of the many aristocrat lords zombie have? This way you simple one shot the table.
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>>62426210
Ignore my message i didn't saw it was about how to abuse diregraf.
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>>62427162
Hall is fucking busted vs multicolors decks. It really make my playgroup mad when i cast it. They always beg me to remove it from my green decks but i always give them my smuggiest "nop" smile.
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>>62429332
>running mana rocks in a normal 1v1 EDH?
cmc 2 and less ? Yes sure!
cmcm 3 and + ? Hell no !
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>>62423181
Not really related to your question, but pic related combos somewhat with Enduring Renewal.
If you're looking for recursion, Phyrexian Reclamation is a must have. For reanimation there's the standard package of Necromancy, Animate Dead, Dance of the dead and I forgot the last one.
There's also Strands of Night, which is great, but also Mimic Vat and Nim Deathmantle, which I strongly recommend, since big mana like black is, you can effectively protect yourself from wraths that kill.
I also strongly recommend Living Death.
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>>62425554
>>62424793
Reverberate is different, as the copied spell retains it's colour. With Fork it's red.
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>>62427593
I have 16 decks. Out of box ones 0, but Yennett has probably higest amount of cards that were in the precon. I think that I have replaced maybe half of the original cards. So not much of the deck is left.
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>>62427593
Odric human tribal
Norin mono red control
Zacama
Brago blink
Tazri ally tribal
Jenara enchantress voltron
Trostani tokens
Building Zndrsplt/Okaun coin flip
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>>62431130
I'd advise not going through with Sundersplat. It may sound fun, but you're mostly going to be miserable.
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Magali Villeneuve can really draw them angels
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>>62431300
I never got why they needed four wings.
But yeah, the art is nice.
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>>62431266
I want to be miserable though. I already run mono white and mono red.
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>>62431341
Soldier on then. Just remember that Krark's Thumb is your third commander and you really do need to get him out asap. The deck will never really be good, but Fatal Frenzy on a 4x flipped Okaun feels nice.
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>>62431330
Angels on Zendikar have more pairs of wings depending on how powerful (lore-wise) they are.
Just look at Iona, she has 3 pairs of wings, and she's nearly as large as the Titans.
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I want to make a stupid jank deck that just redirects everybody's effects. Run stuff like Portal Mage, Split Decision, and Misdirection. Probably some straight counterspells thrown into the mix. Are there any commanders that would do anything worthwhile in a deck like that? All I can think of is Baral.
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>>62431460
I didn't notice that at all, neat.
Stealth lore is always nice.
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>>62430342
>>62430342
>buy twenty foil forests of each set
>keep them with certain legendaries
>being this much of a vorthos autist

:(
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>>62431460

She's a big girl.
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>>62431551
>that curling
Jesus.
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>>62428608
I play it in Zada. It's kept me from dying just long enough to explode and kill everyone a couple times.
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>>62430564
Yes, everyone knows that.
The thing about that is, it implies they could reprint anything on the Reserved List just with a bit of inconsequential trinket text and call it a day.

Imagine they reprinted Yawgmoth's Will, but it made it so every spell you cast from your graveyard with it becomes Black.
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>>62430392
What a shithole, I'm sorry anon.
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>>62431863
Nah, apparently they can't.
MaRo said the "collectors" and "investors" that always whine to Wizards about wanting to keep the Reserved List whined a shitton over Reverberate existing.
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>>62430392
The problem is that people bitch about combo because you can run it in a control shell, when you absolutely need degenerate turn 2-4 combo decks to keep a meta healthy. Stax is another criminally underrepresented archetype that also keeps combo and control decks on check because you can't sling counters when no one can cast anything.
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>>62426708
Phage the Untouchable
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>>62431905
>healthy
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>>62432171
It's true, unless you want to play in UXx control fuckery: featuring 30%+ similarities between all decks.
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>>62432231
>It's true
It isn't. You just have a shitty meta.
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>>62431905
>>62432231
Everyone's local meta is different, anon.
Your meta might be "win by turn 3 or your deck is shit", but other peoples' might be "we're just here to have a good time."
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>>62431863
They totally can. They could print superior versions of RL stuff too, since all it prevents them is reprints and functional reprints. They're not breaking the retarded RL policy by printing "Yawgmoth's Testament" which is 2 mana black instant that allows you to play cards from your graveyard this turn without anything going to exile AND giving everything flash. It would be a retarded card, but there's nothing stopping them from printing it.
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I love stax because
a) it's a challenge. A poorly-timed Smokestack or Orb will absolutely get you killed, and once you attempt a serious lock you are guaranteed to be the game's archenemy.
b) it's fun to see how the table handles a stax presence. When you're an unabashedly terrible influence on the game, people usually have to work together to escape your clutches, and that's kind of exciting. Interaction becomes highly pronounced. More generally-
c) it completely rewrites how the game is played, in a way few other archetypes can. In a format loaded with big splashy plays, it's cool to be able to focus on the small- the difference between having a bounceland or a basic when Winter Orb is present, forcing people to be extremely careful in choosing which spells to invest precious mana in, being able to produce just one token a turn to feed to Smokestack or Tangle Wire, etc.
d) you're playing an extreme deck, a notorious one, and there's a certain allure to that. Whatever the other players want to do, you will put them in their place; you're the guy telling the whole world No.
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>>62432287
>>62432284
>missing the point this hard
Glass cannon combo decks are not good, winning that early has little to do with the quality of your deck, and more to do with the particular strategy you chose. I'm saying, for maximum fun, decks like this are necessary because the balance control decks, just like control balances Voltron/aggro, and Stax beats combo decks. It's a game of rock paper scissors, and if your meta only picks scissors and paper, bring a rock next time.
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>>62432287
>my meta is all control bullshit
Well, stax and combo will help.
>Here derp my decks are bad I just want to have fun.
Playing magic is fun.
>But if I can't win in my special terrible way it's not fun and your meta is shit
No anon, you're basically the reason people hate edh.
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>>62432443
>the virgin stax player, tells the in game world no because he has no control in real life
>the chad battle cruiser player, slams giant shit because its cool
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>>62431551
>foil time spiral forests
I can see you're a man of exceptional taste.
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are there ever going to be land tokens?
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>>62427593
nuJohira
Naru Meda
Yuriko
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>>62432592
Unlikely.
More than any other type of permanent, lands get clumped together in big stacks and people aren't as careful with them, meaning all the small problems with tracking creature tokens start becoming much bigger problems.
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>>62432626
>the MTG testing team is so bad they can't track tokens
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>>62431460
>she's nearly as large as the Titans
Imagine the size of her nails
were you expecting something innappropriate?
well, yeah, that too
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>>62432812
Aren't you supposed to be dead, Kira?
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>>62431905
Actually combo almost dont exist in cedh, it's the format where it's the least represented, and by a wide margin. I would say it's 40% aggro, 55% control and 5% combo who top8 in my country. Esper being the most dominant colors. But the amount of control spells (even in aggro) is so high that combo can't even try to make it.
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>>62432626
multiple people in my group have a habit of lumping their mana artifacts in with their lands and act as if Im braaaping in their face when I ask them to keep them separated
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>>62433150

maybe they want you to
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>>62432860
>Actually combo almost dont exist in cedh
>in cedh
I hope you are referring exclusively to 1v1 with that
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What are some good early game draw spells? Not X=5 shit for 7 mana, stuff I can cast turn 2-3. I’m in blue.
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>>62433263
>multiplayer edh
>competitive
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>>62433279
Ponder, Preordain, Impulse
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>>62433279
Compulsive Research, Perilous Research. The latter is really good if you can combine it with Hatching Plans.
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>>62433279
How aggressive are you?
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>>62433279
Rhystic Study, Fact or Fiction
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>>62433337
>>62433314
Yeah, that makes sense. I need to clean up my deck and stick these in. I just need stuff to do while I get to 6 mana and I don’t want to pump out artifacts to get Bane of Progress’d.

>>62433346
I’m monoblue Sphinx Tribal. So, piss poor. I do like the card though.
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Anyone know some more ways to keep tokens from myriad or mimic vat?
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>>62433364
Sundial of the Infinite
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>>62433364
Literally any populate.
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>>62433364
I'm not 100% on copy-able values, but I know Parallel Lives and the like will still make you exile the copies, so you may want to double check if Second Harvest-type effects even work.
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>>62431551
I have tons of the ALP forests that look like alpha foil forests. Best ones out there
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>>62433431
They will. Creating new tokens that are copies of an existing token is entirely different from modifying the event that creates tokens using a replacement effect.
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>>62433282
Yes, thats whats usually refered as cedh.
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>>62433431
They do. That's because Parallel lives and such modify how they enters the battlefield and the exile or sac clause isn't a copyable value, unless it's literally stated on the card. Besides, the exile clause is part of the Myriad trigger and has nothing to do with the tokens themselves.
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>>62427593
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Please dont get trigggered again tg, I am sorry that I am a dumb tribal dude.
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>>62433360
>mono blue Sphinx tribal
What’s the extra early draw needed for?
Is fact or fiction on every creature not enough
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>finally have three decks that make me happy, could never take them apart
>Went through 50+ decks over five years to get to this point
>My heart wants to build more, even though I know nothing will be better than the high I'm at currently
Why am I like this
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>>62431485
Just run Jeleva
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>>62431485
Gwafa maybe? This could be a jank pillowfort idea
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>>62433667
I assume the fact they get infinite FoF later on is why they're looking for early game draw, rather than late game draw.
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I've been out of MtG for years, but was thinking of building an EDH deck just for shits. How do you guys deal with the shit Wizards has been up to lately though? Makes it hard to want to invest.
Also, what kind of deck would you recommend for a "paladin"-type feel?
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>>62433791
>Also, what kind of deck would you recommend for a "paladin"-type feel?
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>>62422721
1 Pelt Collector (GRN) 141
2 Legion's Landing (XLN) 22
3 Emmara, Soul of the Accord (GRN) 168
1 Shanna, Sisay's Legacy (DAR) 204
4 Saproling Migration (DAR) 178
3 Knight of Autumn (GRN) 183
4 History of Benalia (DAR) 21
2 Shalai, Voice of Plenty (DAR) 35
3 Conclave Cavalier (GRN) 161
4 Conclave Tribunal (GRN) 6
3 Venerated Loxodon (GRN) 30
2 Tendershoot Dryad (RIX) 147
2 Trostani Discordant (GRN) 208
3 Flower // Flourish (GRN) 226
1 Assure // Assemble (GRN) 221
7 Plains (XLN) 261
4 Forest (XLN) 277
4 Sunpetal Grove (XLN) 257
4 Temple Garden (GRN) 258
2 Plains (RIX) 192
1 Forest (RIX) 196

4 Bounty Agent (GRN) 2
1 Thorn Lieutenant (M19) 203
3 Sprouting Renewal (GRN) 145
1 Nullhide Ferox (GRN) 138
1 Conclave Cavalier (GRN) 161
1 Knight of Autumn (GRN) 183
2 Centaur Peacemaker (GRN) 158
1 Trostani Discordant (GRN) 208
1 Lyra Dawnbringer (DAR) 26
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>>62432231
Everyone in my meta plays either big creatures/spells/voltron and swing to win or sometimes combo.
>introduce control heavy bargo deck
>everyone hates it and quits mid game
>no one wants to play against it

Guess it's back to the drawing board. Maybe a Tim deck wouldn't get hated off this much.
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>>62433902
That sure is a Commander deck.
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>>62433911
This is exactly why I went back to playing group hug turbo draw and bouncing anything that targets me specifically. People just bitch and moan about everything. It just isn't worth building and buying multiple decks.
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>>62423181
oversold cemetary, phyrexian reclimation, nezumi graverobber?
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>>62433921
No? there's multiples of most of the cards there.
I assume it's a Standard deck or some shit, in which case this is blatantly the wrong thread and that anon >>62433902 should delete the post.
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>>62423181
whip of erebos
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>>62433943
That sure is a good reply.
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>>62433931
Usually, I just call the one dude out and tell him to stop bitching because he did blah blah blah in the other game and no one bitched. But when the whole playgroup hates you for playing a deck, it's difficult to do.
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>>62426952
We have an 11th Gate now, and a new card that lets you search for a Gate. Maze’s End is marginally better than it used to be.
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>>62433705
What are they anon?
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>>62422851
GOAT in endrek sahr
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>>62433943
You don't do well with sarcasm, yeah?
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>>62428932
Xenagos is actually decent fun. Angry Omnath is pretty fun but a little more on the cheesy overkill side of things. I would try Atarka too, just for fun.
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>>62433791
I just enjoy the game as it is
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>>62433279
I have a Sphinx tribal deck as well, and I think you are better off with ramp over any draw. I have no real draw in the deck (unless you count shit like mindstone), it's just filled with rocks, Mana doublers, sphinxes, and the secret ingredient: extra turn spells. The games I lose arent because I didn't draw enough, it's always because I didn't ramp enough.
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>>62434051
Teeg Hatebears
Teshar stax
Ojutai control
I'm the one controlling the game's tempo, there is no doubt allowed.
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>>62434350
No kidding, what's your meta like?
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>>62433631
I remember you, if you're still around, can you post your sea creature list?
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>>62433911
Try setting some limits on how you control things and how much you hate in a given player, it's often more powerful in the long term to allow your opponents to get away with a lot, and it's more fun. I for example i tend to run 3/5/7 counterspelss and boardll wipes. Depending on theme, only ever ten total of both effect
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>>62422721
Xenagos or Ruric Thar? I'm on a budget.
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>>62434646
Xenagos for low power meta, Ruric Thar for high power meta.
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>>62434604
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/arixmethes-and-his-fishy-friends/
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>>62434308
I refuse to play extra turns cards that dont exile themsleves.
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>>62434646
I’ve played both, Ruric Thar is great but he only really shines when the deck is fully tuned
Xenogod is a great Timmy rushdown outlet that can put the pressure on any table even with a budget deck.
Just plug in a loxodon warhammer for your health points and blindly swing
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I feel like this card is really good in EDH, yet I've never seen it. Why is it bad ? seems like decent mana fixing.
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>>62434786
It’s just okay in most decks, there’s just a good bit of cards that do it better and don’t need a creature or already have that package built in to a body

Might be nice in a New Jhoira cantrip deck if you don’t have the more pricey rocks
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>>62427593
All three of mine were built from scratch.
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>>62434786
it costs 1 and it ramps you 1, sort of like wild growth. the problem is that you need to have a creature for it to work. so unless your deck has lots of 1-2 drop creatures it doesn't really help to ramp you in the early game which is when you want to ramp the most.
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>>62433279
mystic remora
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>>62434544
Pretty chill actually, lot of nice dudes who let me play stuff like this while not complaining much at all. Very level-headed, I'm blessed. Not a whole lot of higher-power stuff at the table.
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>>62434786
I play it in equipment themed decks, nothing else really. It's only amazing with free equips.
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>>62427593
1.5/2.
My Estrid deck is technically a precon but I removed almost 99% of the cards from it. Truly bought at a loss, should've just bought the two singles out of that set which I needed. But then again I haven't been playing for years and bought the precon on an impulse.
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>>62434786
If you need to tap for any color, there are already better options.

This is 2-1'ing just to generate mana, its pretty inefficient.
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>>62433279
mystic remora is the most underrated draw spell in edh
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>>62434763
Not him but what would make a high-tuned Ruric Thar deck? I'm assuming no gimmicks like Primal Surge?
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>>62434786
It's worse than Springleaf Drum outside of Equipment-Matters, and the list of decks that want Springleaf drum is already pretty slim.
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I took apart my Yennett deck because I can't into Esper. What are some Commanders that can utilize Scroll Rack, Top, etc that aren't named Yidris/Maelstrom Wanderer/Vaevictus?
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>>62435332
Yuriko
One 4 way game I was in, the Yuriko player won turn 3 or 4 because they got out Ornithopter turn 1, ninjutsu'd in Yuriko turn 2, hit Time Stretch and re-cast the ornithopter, turn 3 played scroll rack, ninjutsu'd in a 2 mana ninjutsu ninja and used rack to put time stretch back, and hit time stretch and in garruk's wake with that turn's two triggers.
Extreme luck on their part, but still.
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>>62435288
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ruric-thar-competitive-your-heart-is-a-muscle/

I based mine off of something like this, there’s probably better options in some of these slots now, but it’s a good base

It’s really mean, but that’s the idea.
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>>62434642
This. I run extremely hateful stax, but everyone has fun for a few reasons:
>Timmy isn't effected by stax cards like trinisphere because he doesnt understand the concept
>broke ass mcgee doesn't care about back to basics or bloodmoon because he doesn't have fancy lands
>Johnny doesn't care about ensnaring bridge/meekstone because he doesn't attack
>spike doesn't care about winter orb because he's got all the Mana rocks

So then, the trick becomes playing to your group. Pissing spike off is the easiest, you use the first two categories, and if you build a deck like that, you mitigate Timmy and Brokeass, who are objectively the most whiny.
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>>62434786
Is a waste of a slot. If you can tap a creature for mana, just run a dork, if you can't, the run a rock. This one is basically a mana rock that depends on having a creature untapped and without summon sickness to work.
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>>62435332
>What are some Commanders that can utilize Scroll Rack, Top, etc
Those cards can go into virtually any deck. Scroll Rack I think is better in a deck that shuffles a lot, like Zur
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>>62435332
Rashmi wants to have a Scroll Rack, always.
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>>62435332
Scroll Rack is an all-star in my Gitrog build. Fetches and Oracle of Mul Daya mean it's pretty much never dead.
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>>62435332
Pic related and anyone similar
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>>62434786
I think even a mediocare card like the 1 mana artifact with sac it, pay 2, tap, search for a basic and put in tapped
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>>62436232
Wayfarers Bauble or something
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>>62422830
That starts to be a lot of set up though, for not enough of a mana reduction. Seems like the sacrificing a creature is the part of the card to really try and build around.
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>>62434786
I run it in my titty tribal deck
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>>62423022
Agreed. A couple of the new cards are pretty sweet, but the average seems to get more generic every set. The Pen and Watercolor vibe that was carried through even non-watercolor pieces in the og Ravnica I think is really what made the set so impactful. With so many guilds, and so many different kinds of possible environments, the unified art style went a long way in truly making it feel like this was all happening in the same city.
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>>62435306
Redpill me about Macar
Should i build him?
What are the best spices to abuse him?
Why don't we see him more often? The ability look totally busted, no?
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>>62436334
List?
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>>62436443
Inspired is a complete shit mechanic. Macar's main thing is that he's just kind of a weirdo black that cares about and uses things black normally doesn't do
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>>62436451
Not the same guy, but I too have a waifu list I've been wanting to build somewhere down the line
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/waifu-tribal-3/
Every non-artifact non-land card has at least one qt in its art
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>>62436608
Based and medniggerspilled

>mfw i trusted the pastaniggers
Never ever again.
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>>62436653
I hope it wasnt expensivee
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>>62436693
between 10 and 20.
I'm really buttmade by the feb. order, it was a playset of phantasmal image (5€/px4) but now it would be worth 3 time this amount....
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>>62436443
You want to run a bunch of stuff that either lets you attack safely with Macar, or lets you tap him without going into combat.

For fun though, here's Macar's car.
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>>62436790
I am so sorry for you anon, fuck the pastaniggers and their incompetence
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>>62432526
>the bitter incel, judging everything because his mother did not love him
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>>62436790
I've had two sellers on MCM pretend to send their shipments, and claim they got lost during transport. Both were cards I bought the day/hours before the cards spiked many times over.

Yeah fucking right they got "lost during transport".
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>>62436961
>Both were cards I bought the day/hours before the cards spiked many times over.

Exact same shit forme, out of the 4 lost shipments, two were playsets of low end RL stuff, like pendrell mists or wall of kelp... conveniently lost as soon as they spiked. Even if the total amount of cash i 'lost' with these orders wasn't too high (something around 70€), it would have been worth about 150€ by today standard and thats really pissing me off.

Italians : not even once! But sadly if you want to purchase legends stuff in europe you don't really have others options, they detain like 95% of the yuropoor stock.
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>>62437206
Why not just get an American friend to buy them and ship them to you?
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>>62437206
When it comes to cardboard, never trust the Mama Mias
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>>62437282
Far cheaper in europe than the US.
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>>62437282
First i don't know anyone in the states.
Second, i would have to trust him with no guarantee, and i dont have any paypal account.
Third, it would have costed me a fortune.
Fourth, i love ita LGD color saturation, english legends colors are all faded, its look meh.
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>>62437206
pastanigger here
only italian retailer i trust is Arcana-Trieste, to the point i now buy entire decklists out of them in one order
only problem for you would be how slow italian mail is
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>>62432526
Stax players, on average, are the most socially acceptable dudes. They look like normal people and generally compensate for being unfun as fuck by being charming and entertaining.

"Muh spirit of the format" fuckers use EDH to make friends, which means theyre trying to impress strangers with cardboard that isn't too strong or expensive in the most autismal way ever.
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Is this the most aesthetic land ever printed?
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>>62437432
Yes. It's also one of the best examples of a powerful land that isn't an ABUR dual, a fetch, or a shock.
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>>62437402
>only italian retailer i trust is Arcana-Trieste
I 100% agree, this dude is cool. I also like Magiccorner a lot, he have super offers sometime and i never had any issues of grading and he deliver very fast. I advise you to give him a try.
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>>62437432
>beautiful art
>green shaded name and typeline with gold pinlines
yes
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>>62437432
Nop, it's volrath's stronghold, it's a shame we can't find decent resolutions of the art online. Even in the Tempest block artwork book, the card art is missing while it have all the others ones from the Aquilon/weatherlight /Gerald/Volrath/phyrexian saga. I was pretty bummed since it's the most mythic artwork in Stronghold.
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>>62437575
Btw for the ones interested, you have here a full HD scan of The Rath Cycle's book, which is pretty fucking rare, it's full of oldschool arts from the best era of mtg (to my opinion). Pic related is the cover.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1092658/208765568c/

WARNING : it's really feefees/nostalgia inducing
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>>62437402
I don't trust the Italian mail first and foremost, doesn't matter how cool Arcana-Trieste is when he has to use their services.
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>>62426956
>hall of gemstone
kami of howling mine required as genral
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>>62437656
few pics to give you a sniff
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>>62427168
I know how you feel, ive likely played hundreds of decks at this point, i usually just try to find a concept that sounds cool then work on perfecting it in a way that doesnt annoy my play group too much until the deck is so good that it starts to make people only want to play their best decks against it, at which point i find a new concept.
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Just put a Skelington and Scary stuff deck together for Spooktober jank. its not as good as my "jank" archer tribal, but it seems fun.
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>>62437745
a sniff for the staxfags
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>>62427569
neat, what the deck?
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>>62437767
a last sniff of nostalgia
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>>62437656
>>62437700
>>62437725
>>62437745
>>62437767
>>62437795
Holy shit that's so fucking neat! I was looking for this kind of stuff since forever. Do anyone know where i can buy books like this?
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Anyone else get their Mythic Edition in the mail?
How do you feel about the Masterpiece Walkers, seeing them in person?
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>>62427569
Isn’t it wild how much of a difference a few cards can make?
One of mine recently went from a low end value engine to having some unexpectedly explosive plays.
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>>62427593
Ive just started playing magic again an im working on finishing two lists for edh

Karador, ghost chieftain, hes very tribal spirits, i just ordered the three kindred cards for him, a heralds horn, and a vanquishers banner. hes supposed to be all spirits only, so every creature in the deck has to be a spirit and i try to play as few off flavor cards as I can


Kumano, Master Yamabushi, ive used him as genral before and really enjoyed it but i feel like i went overboard with death touch equipment this time so i may cut some, hes like mono red big baddies and beats with bit of an artifact theme, im currently worried hes too good for my current play group
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>>62437867
I couldn't preorder one since it's reserved for the US market, i was fucking hopeless... then they announced it was the FTV foiling process and i couldn't care less about it anymore. I steel need lili last hope if she doesnt look like shit irl. Wonder how much i'll have to spend to have it cross the atlantic and post scalping price.
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>>62437922
still* sry im tired
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>>62428076
>Yuriko
i dont like brudiclad, too much of a combo deck thats assembly is "make like some tokens man, make like a big dumb token copy of something or just a big dumb token, turn board sideways"
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>>62437867
post pics of them!!!!
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>>62427593
My Oloro and Animar were bought when they came out, but I'd say 0 cards of the original deck remains.
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>>62437963
They look like shit thanks to using the complete shit FtV foiling.
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>>62428471
>games are usually over by turn 6 or 7
jesus man, that sounds really not fun.
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>>62437867
A friend of mine harped on and on about how it wasn’t going to be limited and that the price would tank within a few weeks.
I didn’t really trust him, but $250 for a sealed product is a little more than I can justify. Semi-regret not jumping on it, but then I’d also have to go through the process of reselling to net even
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>>62437432
>tfw I want to play this and the Doran promo I have
>Treefolk tribal looks janky af

what do?
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>>62437963
My camera is unfortunately absolute shit.
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>>62438021
No need to go full tribal, Doran works well with a lot of hatebears and high toughness minions for beatdown.
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Instants and sorceries aren't fun. What are some good creatures to put in a Ruric Thar creature only deck.
Bonus points if it fucks over blue
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>>62438043
then tell us how do they look
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>>62438105
Vexing Shusher
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>>62438105
serpopard
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>>62429524

I used to play prosh as tribal dragons, no non-dragon creatures allowed and the deck was pretty absurd, i built it to play at mid level but it was so mean i ended up only playing it against really mean decks
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>>62438105
REB and Pyroblast
Natures Wrath
Boil

Forget about going full unga bunga, use their own trash tactics against them
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>>62438105
Primal surge
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>>62438021
Do it.

A E S T H E T I C
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>>62438170
I LIKE YOU, YOU GRUUL.
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>>62438233
Remember to note that Ruric Thar Casts Fist! Every time he triggers
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>>62438116
I like Liliana best of them, but the FtV foiling is underwhelming as usual. I don't like the way the foiling splits into rainbow "stripes" sort of.

Liliana's tattoos are foil though, which looks great if the light hits it properly.
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>>62438021
you trash away your weak ass doran and play the superior version.
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>>62438282
perfect! she is the only one i really need anyway.
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I'm thinking of making a 5 color goodstuff deck with all of the most played edh cards and cards like bazaar of wonders, cornered market, eye of singularity, moratorium stone, spy kit, grim reminder, and wishes to fetch more cards. How much meta knowledge is too much? Would it be a dick move to include all of the commanders I know my friends use in my deck?
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Are either Thalia's any good?
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>>62438566
Both are good
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>>62433150
some players are like that, i used to be a judge for pretty serious competition(l3, fell out of it after having to drop magic for awhile) so when people play in ways that make their board state unclear, it annoys me, you cant hide a fucking gilded lotus in your forests, that shits stupid.

Its almost worse when they have to space every l;and individually so it looks like they are trying to do some gardening, leaving them with lands spread from the top left corner, the the bottom left, then to the bottom right. This happens far more than youd expect too.
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I'll give a bit of a rundown for each one.
>Elspeth
The gold parts of her armor are shinier than the steel parts, but both are foil, so there are some angles where her armor shines and other where it's all just highlights on the gold. He earring is as foil as the rest of the gold stuff, and her eyes are as shiny as the steel parts of her armor. There are some lines extending from the glowing bits of her mask which light up real nicely along with the fire of the torches.

>Liliana
The gold on her clothing, her tiara, the chain veil, and her tattoos are all the max level of shiny, and her tattoos are done in such a way that you almost can't see them until they light up. Similarly, there are lightning bolts behind her that are shinier than the rest of the purple light, so they flash when the light hits them comparatively.

>Daretti
Daretti's chair is inconsistently foil, so the parts that are in the light shine with a lot of contrast against the darker parts of the rest of the machine. His eyes, teeth, and glasses, and the eye of the servo near him are all the max level of foil, but the rest of the servo is the same level of foil as the background, so it kind of blends in at the wrong angle.

>Bolas
Bolas cuts a dark figure, making the foil on his eyes, horns, and armor stand out quite strikingly. At the normal lighting, his wings are largely the same brightness, but when the light hits him, the membrane of his wings shine in contrast of the wing bones, giving the impression of looking at light glowing through skin.

>Ral
Ral basically seems like he's trying to do the same thing as Liliana and doing it worse. The gold parts on his clothes shine with some contrast, but not as well without the deep purple of Liliana's clothes, and he tries the same trick with the lightning behind him, but the white steam it's up against doesn't let it shine as distinctly.

(Continued)
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I'm completely stuck on a commander deck to build. At the minute, I'm leaning towards this Mishra artifacts/jank list I put together
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mishras-unstoppable-artifice/
but I feel like the list is missing answer cards.
I've also thought about building
>Yennett
Neat concept, but I have no idea what the deck needs to be apart from odd-mana goodstuff. What's the win condition? Am I supposed to have a control shell?
>Traxos
Always wanted a colourless deck, but what do you do with him apart from voltron?
>New Jhoira
Finally an artifact commander in my favourite artifact support colours, but the ability is SO BORING.

Should I just run with Mishra and tweak the list? What am I missing from it though? Kill spells?
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>>62438187
>VERY peaceful treefolk standing at incredible hihg altitude
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>>62438835
>Teferi
A common angle on Teferi leaves his head shadowed against a bit of a glowing corona effect surrounding it, and glowing eyes, which looks rather imposing. The detailing on his clothes shines like his eyes, but the tip of his staff kind of blends into the background, and the tree is uniformly foil too, making the whole thing kind of meld together, but it does at least do a good job of making Teferi stand out against it.

>Tezzeret
Tezzeret has some of the most vibrant colors of the whole group, challenged mostly only by Liliana. In any angle where Tezzeret is mostly dark, he cuts a distinct figure against the planar gate behind him and, as usual, his eyes glow. The glow from inside his chest makes a nice color contrast to the blue of the portal, shining through the darkness of Tezzeret's body.

>Vraska
There's some kind of plant or fungus matter on her body, possibly flowers, that are about as dark as the rest of her clothing but shine brilliantly against it in the light. Whatever she's holding glows quite nicely, as do her eyes, and some highlights where the tendrils meet the rest of her head. The fungus acting as her pauldrons have the same effect as Bolas' wings, blending in normally, but glowing in the light.

Overall, I think the ones that make the best of the layered foiling process are:
>Liliana
>Bolas
>Tezzeret
>Vraska

The things that look nicest, to me, are the ones where elements of the art are subtle in regular lighting, but shine in the light, and contrasts of light and dark.
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Gisa or scarab god for just for fun zombie jank?
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>>62439124
Gisa is super fun and a bit more on-theme.
Gisa and Geralf is the real stuff though.
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Recommend me a commander that's great for magic the politics. Queen Marchesa looks good but I'm open to any suggestions.
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>>62439163
I love Marchesa so I can't help but say her. Edric is pretty good for politics too. I think Mathas is probably worse than Marchesa due to other people being able to just let you waste mana on his ability and kill him yourself but he's probably pretty cool.
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>>62439155
How do you mean? All they do is let you play zimbabwes from your gy. That new one that came out in the precon lets you play white but she just seems like bad gisa.
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>>62439124
Gisa. You make zombies, slam lords, and generally care less about having specific cards on the table like GandG, and the God is more about value than zombies imho.
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>>62439163
Typical troll decking aside, Zedruu can be very political and make big shifts in the way the table plays
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When will Kobolds return?
When will Kobolds stop looking like shitty goblins?
When will Kobolds get a good commander?
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What's the right number of lands for a Shirei/Shadowborn Apostle gimmick deck? I've got 36 total in my current build, but I feel like that might be too much
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>>62439516
>When will Kobolds stop looking like shitty goblins?
bu they are shitty goblins anon...
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>>62438105
Remember to give him Lifelink.
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>>62439163
zedru the great hearted
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>>62439547
I didn't say they weren't, I just wished they looked more like D&D's current reptilian interpretation.
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>>62439298
>That new one that came out in the precon lets you play white
????
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>>62439649
I'd argue she is the best goodstuff zombie commander there is now.
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sup guys, i need some advice
recently built a nu-Johira and the deck itself works wonders, i can have a full board at turn 5 but besides an emrakul and a kozi i lack a real threat
what are some good cards in blue/red/artifact that could pose an istant wincon?
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>>62439516
I had been under the impression that he was a goblin leading kobolds
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>>62439668
Blightsteel Colossus
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>>62439670
nope, he's a kobold, according to Wizards
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>>62439668
>>62439717
Aetherflux Reservoir
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i wish mtg wouldn't attract so many neets. i just want to play this fun game with people that look presentable and smell nice and can carry a conversation.
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>>62439695
problem about colossus is investing in a 60$ card that gets removed at istant speed even in 1v1, and i use to play in tables of 5+
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>>62439744
God, I am still fucking thrilled it was my close friends who all played magic, and I was the oddball who didnt, and they brought me in

Tabletop with housemates/old friends sure is the best way to fucking play magic.
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>>62439791
>a 60$ card
In what currency? I'm seeing $38-$40
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>>62439668
Aetherflux Reservoir is the go to wincon in that deck. Otherwise, LabMan. That deck is pretty autopilot. Just jam Paradox Engine, abuse mana production in pseudo infinite way and kill with blue sun's zenith
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>>62439668
reservoir obviously. Get one foil while they are still cheap af, they look fucking GORGEOUS. If asked i'll post mine and you will understand what do i mean.
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>>62439817
still too much for the actual threat it poses, for half the price i could get new Ula that at least even if exiled brings down 2 permanents
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>>62439819
>>62439837
thought about aetherflux as indeed the deck cycles itself wonderfully
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>>62439865
I got some $5 Blightsteels back in the day, so this is going pretty well overall. A foil of the fat idiot is like $300 though.
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>>62439909
Ok so i looked at the prices and...the reservoir foils aren't so cheap anymore. Can't say i'm surprised tho, the card see play literally everywhere and is a real edh staple. But even at 13/14$ they are still cheap compared to what they will be worth in one year so you should get one.
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>>62439909
Psychosis crawler too boi
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>>62439965
why are you shilling this shit-tier garbage fire card again?
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>>62440016
Better than Blightsteel if you actually want to win the game
and don't run Sneak Attack
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>>62440016
>again
I know not what you speak of I am a humble phone poster at work.
Sorry for striking a nerve pal
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>>62439965
aether res kills a player after cycling like 6 rocks, with crawler id need to half mill myself and that isnt doable in one turn
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>>62439665
hard to argue shes not, maybe gisa geralf but its close
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>>62440083
What, you don't have any KCI loops?
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>>62440083
That is a reasonable justification I stand corrected
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>>62439717
I noticed that on the gatherer, thats why I commented that. sorry if it was unclear
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>>62440116
sorry i don't run 3 card combos in 99 singleton
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>>62439668
nuwlamog, both kozi, ulamog, artisan of kozi, I dont know, what are you looking to do?
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>>62440162
landing something that either gives me an absurd advantage at any cost or can win the game more slowly but without blowing to the first wrath Timmy plays
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>>62440147
The pieces of KCI combos are solid individually though.
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>>62439665
Nekusar is better
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>>62440207
As mana sink artifacts i love walking ballista, planar bridge and endbringer. Ugin give absurd board advantage too.
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>>62440039
>Better than Blightsteel
it's not
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>>62440275
already playing ballista and it does wonders, shots 10+ damage and gets instantly retroverted for the next turn
had to cut endbringer because it was objectively too slow at doing what he is supposed to
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>>62440411
*retrivered
fml
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>>62440411
experiment frenzy+ thought lash for ultimate card advantage machinegun.
Since i figured this combo i try to find it a home and nujhoira seems nice.
Basically if both are in play you win the game on the spot. But they are also useful separately and hard to deal with for the opponents.
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>>62440511
How is that a combo and why would you run Exp Frenzy in a deck thats constantly drawing cards?
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>>62440644
its a combo because you can look at the top card at any time and exile it if you can't play it -like multiples lands- So basically you can play everything from your top/tutor any card from your lib at any given time. Lil plus : you also prevent dmg proactively at each exiled card. Basically it become a future sight on steroid.
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>>62440974
Or.. you just run future sight and thought lash for the same result except you can still cast from hand.
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>>62439668
If you have a way to loop artifacts infinately then altar of the brood will mill all the non eldrazi titan users at the table, mind over matter will help get you through your deck for lab maniac win too.
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>>62440974
that's not what mst people here would call a combo. Synergy at most. And what you do with the card draw?
>>62441240
this. If Jhoira is already drawing the whole deck, why would someone need to cast from the top? Just to remove lands? run fewer lands and KCI loops then
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>>62441329
>all the non eldrazi titan users at the table
If you have intinite loops and someone has a titan, you can effectively make them mill and shuffle and mill again until the titan is the only card in their library
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>>62441240
oh true :3
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>>62441367
Of course, but anyone with even a tiny bit of hatred for infiinite loops is going to make you do it manually rather than just short cutting it.
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>>62441367
Except it's only theoretically possible, there is a world in some universe where that never happens, and because of that, you're not allowed to shortcut it, and would get disqualified for slow play.
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What's the most Chad, alpha male commander? Ruric Thar? Zurgo? Kresh?
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>>62441575
720.1. When playing a game, players typically make use of mutually understood shortcuts rather than explicitly identifying each game choice (either taking an action or passing priority) a player makes.
720.1a The rules for taking shortcuts are largely informal. As long as each player in the game understands the intent of each other player, any shortcut system they use is acceptable.
720.1b Occasionally the game gets into a state in which a set of actions could be repeated indefinitely (thus creating a “loop”). In that case, the shortcut rules can be used to determine how many times those actions are repeated without having to actually perform them, and how the loop is broken.

So yes, you can shortcut it as long as both players understand what's going on and agree to do so.
Don't be a giant dickbag mega-rules-lawyer.
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>>62441620
Yeah, except you literally ignored the entire point of my comment.

THIS IS NOT AN INFINITE LOOP.

It mills different card every single iteration, it is different each time. Thus those rules you just linked don't apply for squat shit.
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>>62441606
Any commander. A real Chad would be able to play any deck with full confidence and still win.
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>>62441606
Bruse Tarl is pretty Chad.
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>>62441646
Just because it is not infinite does not mean it isn't a loop, retard.
The player can choose to continue milling his opponent out again and again until they eventually get to the point where any eldrazi titans are the only remaining cards. Just because it isn't infinite does not mean it isn't a loop, and it still allows them to take advantage of the shortcuts section of the rules.
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>>62433786
>>62433667
Yeah, correct. Once I get 6 mana, card draw doesn’t really matter. But I don’t like playing rocks on rocks on rocks.

>>62434308
I have Nexus of Fate in there, but that was a last minute addition. I got rocks and Caged Sun, but I feel I won’t have enough countermagic to keep all that stuff up.
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>>62441646
Just to explain in more detail, while you may have an indefinite loop, the results of said loop are different every time, meaning you are not allowed to shortcut it, as the prerequisite for shortcutting is knowing what happens every iteration.

>>62441687
Get fucked scrub, go learn the rules.

716.2a. At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. It can't include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut.
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>>62441646
>>62441687
>>62441714
To further this, the exact example under 720.2.a is a Wizards provided example of a loop that can be repeated any number of times and yet also willingly stopped at the active player's discresion:
"Example: A player controls a creature enchanted by Presence of Gond, which grants the creature the ability “{T}: Create a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token,” and another player controls Intruder Alarm, which reads, in part, “Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, untap all creatures.” When the player has priority, they may suggest “I’ll create a million tokens,” indicating the sequence of activating the creature’s ability, all players passing priority, letting the creature’s ability resolve and create a token (which causes Intruder Alarm’s ability to trigger), Intruder Alarm’s controller putting that triggered ability on the stack, all players passing priority, Intruder Alarm’s triggered ability resolving, all players passing priority until the player proposing the shortcut has priority, and repeating that sequence 999,999 more times, ending just after the last token-creating ability resolves."
So yes, everything still works and the guy above can mill until only Titans are left.
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>>62441714
Also, the fact you're referring to the Loops section as 716 and not 720 means you're looking at an outdated version of the rules.
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>>62441741
>>62441718
No you fucking retards, go read up on Four Horsemen, it's an entire competetive deck that was removed from competetive play because of this EXACT scenario.
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>>62441620
>>62441687
>>62441714
>>62441718
Pay close attention.
The rules say you can shortcut how many times you want to perform the action, not shortcut the end results.

You'd have to be able to give a finite number of iterations for the loop to perform, not say "We'll do it until this happens".
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>>62434031
Opening the 11 gates sounds like the most anime satanist shit ever
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>>62434031
>>62441882
We got two new cards that search for gates. I’d do that but my 5 color deck is Jodah and fuck taplands in that greedy ass deck.
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>>62441718
>720.2a At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. It can’t include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut.

>based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices
>It can’t include conditional actions

You can't predict how many times it will take for you to mill someone down to just having the Eldrazi, and you can't set a condition for "I'll do it a million times unless it gets to the last card in your library and I haven't milled the Eldrazi yet". You can't do non-deterministic loops with the shortcutting rules.
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>>62441676
Do you think he plooks that ox?
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>>62441898
Gates are lands and therefore colorless, you can just go simic or mono green
or even jund with catman if you're a pw-using faggot
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>>62442000
With one exception, Gates have colored mana symbols in their rules text.
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>>62440251
What the fuck are you doing?
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>>62442025
Boo.
Boo, I say!
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>when Mark Tedin illustrated half your opening hand
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We need to summon a new thread and sacrifice this old one.
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>>62442394
Do it yourself instead of bitching.
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>>62442394
yeah we do
>>62442451
says the guy complaining about someone stating the obvious





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