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>Previous Thread
>>62420309

>Thread question
What is the Legacy Unit you miss the most?
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Khemri when
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Posted in the old thread too:

Does anyone know of quality orc boy alternatives that are good looking first and foremost? I want them to look more like Big Uns than the GW range.
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I've never read an AoS novel. I want to know more about the lore.
What are some good reads focused on the GA:Death factions and characters?
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>>62431377
>TQ
Zacharias the everliving on Zombie Dragon
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>>62431377
Empire Knights.
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why is /aosg/ against count as armies?
https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/1284312/
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>>62431377
>TQ
Your mum hahaha

No but really, probably either greasus gold tooth or skrag the slaughterer. New ogors have cool models, but the complete lack of special characters makes them lack.....character. like, they are great for " your dudes" and it's cool that you can still use the legacy models as generic heroes, but I wouldn't mind a few characters designed by professional writers who are part of the lore of the faction

Bcr really need a named hero (bragoth doesn't count)
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>>62431420
Undying King, Soul Wars, Dance of Skulls, Mortarch of Night, Lord of Undeath.
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>>62431507
Thanks.
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>>62431513
Forgot one, Neferata: Mortarch of Blood. And no problem, Anon.
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>>62431494
We aren't, we're against straight, unaltered proxying.
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>>62431377
>tfw no qt3, blond with red lips and wide hips and strong arm gf to worship chaos with. Life is suffering.
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>>62431556
then why do you suggest people to buy dragon princes rather than convert better appropriate count as blood dragons?
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>>62431567
What are dragon princes?
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I have a question, so I have a massive MoonClan army , which i gave up on because I always lost , I started deepkin instead(but I feel like they arent as awsome as goblins, yeah sure they win but idk somthing is missing) . So I have decided to go back to goblins, what is a good addition to my list (right now its ,2 shaman, 1 war boss, unit of 20 squigs and 2 units of 2 herders , 40 moonclan grots all stabbas, 40 moonclan all bows , 2 units of 6 fanatics , 1 Mangler squig, 2 doom divers .
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>>62431588
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>>62431377
>TQ
Beastlord on chariot for sure
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>>62431614
No, seriously, what are Dragon Princes? Was it a Fantasy thing? I never played Fantasy.
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>>62431645
Not the op but they were high elf heavy cavalery with kinda nice models
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>>62431645
Elven fags who made their faggotry so strong it its painted in every Toronto fag club.

Also the reason why elves could not acomplish anything in WFB since their "king" had to cudle their ass or they would rebel or something, Malekith was right to end elven democracy.
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Just bought the night goblin Nightvault box because I love the minis inside.
Is the game actually any good??
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When exactly does Morathi transform? That is to say, when can I choose to transform her? I ask because I was under the impression that it was first thing in the hero phase, but the designer's commentary makes me think otherwise. Pic related.
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>>62431712
It's fun - depands on what you are looking for but it's fast and simple to learn
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>still no madcap grots announcement
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>>62431712
Moonclan Grots, Anon.
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>>62431658
>>62431680
So what models were they talking about? Dragon Blades?
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>>62431798
>>62431756
>>62431645
>>62431588

>>62431614
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>>62431850
What
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>>62431798
What a tool
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>>62431567
I believe the suggestion is to get dragon princes to use as a base for conversion, but still change out the dragon bits and obvious high elf helms. Thats the advice I got and went with. If anyone is curious, I used the shields from black knights and stormcast heads.
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>>62431377
>What is the Legacy Unit you miss the most?
Forsaken. Whoever thought squatting a five-year-old kit was a good idea can go fuck himself.

>>62431494
Cool claim. Mind backing that up with some quotes? Because I've never noticed that sentiment. But surely you have some sort of proof if you make such claims.
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>>62431850
XD
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>>62431910
Not that guy but I said once that I would like to use models from song of ice and fire as freeguild and was told not to play army if I dislike the models so ech. But that was like one guy
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Are skeletons viable in multiple small units? Between all the various methods of regenerating lost wounds/models and being able to bring units back via gravesites in LoN, units of 10 have more staying power than they have any right to. I know that 40 is optimal for killing things, but I just wondered if anyone has any experience or thoughts on running them MSU?
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>>62431494
Fuck me, it's like he started building and then never fucking stopped. I can see a Cauldron of Blood, two Doomwheels, a Devoted of Sigmar War Altar, a Celestial Hurricanum, a Luminark, a Numinous Occulum, at least one KO boat, a Giant and a bunch of LotR Goblins and Arkanauts thrown in for shits and giggles. Plus whatever that weird green thing in the Numinous Occulum is supposed to be.
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>>62431377
dwarfs btfo
https://youtu.be/E-uTR8mCq5E
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>>62431958
Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna use stuff from an entirely different company, that's a whole nother bag of worms than "Imma build myself a crazy army out of kits from fifteen factions and count that as whatever I feel like".
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Aside from the GW pieces, what are some other resources for terrain?
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>>62431958
Free guild models suck big fat ass and really really haven't aged well. If they remade them in the fashion of the Empire art from warhammer online or total war then they'd be ok, but until they do, I say use whatever human medieval models strike your fancy since they are prettymuch the only human faction that aren't super powered paladins, evil mutant vikings, evil conan the barbarians, or some old squatted knights.

Also, the minis from the fire and ice thing looked pretty good from a glance. The most important thing when using a "counts as" army is to make sure the models you are substituting at least somewhat resemble what you are using them as. Like, swapping swordsmen for swordsmen? No problem. Swapping axe warriors for swordsmen? Ok, maybe, but make sure to tell your opponent what's what. Swapping dogs or some kind of 3rd party demons for swordmen? You probably shouldnt, or if you do you will have much explaining to do almost every game.

One of the big reasons people object to counts as armies is table readability. You are at an advantage over your opponent if they can't look at your models and tell what you have on the table at a glance, it gives you a bit of an unfair advantage
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>>62432066
Observe here the man with no taste.
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>>62432035
Well I understand that - right now I'm waiting for any rumors about GW maybe updating the range(at least basic infantry because I do want to use karl franz on deathclaw as my general)
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>>62431494
Because it's often a detriment to playing the game. If I can't clearly recognise a unit, you are cheating.
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>>62432040
I've been looking at the same thing. I've found a site called sally4th that does scenery, terrain, even full castles in 28mm scale.
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>TQ
Dwarf Miners
They provided good mobility and deep-striking capabilities. Also they came with a pony.
I'm not even sure why GW got rid of them, the sculpts look fine and aren't much different in quality to the Warriors and ranged infantry in the Dispossessed roster.
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>>62432086
>If I can't clearly recognise a unit, you are cheating.
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>>62432082
Oh no, someone spoke ill of the soggy old grogs whfb holdover models with shitty sculpts, static poses, and poorly detailed clothes and armor

I take back what I said, just don't play free guild at all. It has the worst fan boys who get completely bent out of shape if you talk about their ancient kits with anything but reverence.
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>>62432146
>Oh no, someone spoke ill of the soggy old grogs whfb holdover models with shitty sculpts, static poses, and poorly detailed clothes and armor

>doubles down and outs himself as a retard
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>>62432230
Keep digging.
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>>62431494
Most of the time "count as" armies are having look of existing army, but rules of totally different army, which makes it a total clusterfuck.
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What color scheme sounds better for my chinese freeguild?

>dark green cloth and gold armor
>turquoise cloth and steel armor
>white/black cloth and armor yin yang style

I know the obvious answer is "RED", but I have so much red in my other armies already that I'd prefer using a different color.
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>>62432299
Some are ok. Like the skaven karadron overlords conversions, or the guy on here who was doing sylvaneth beastclaws. You can clearly tell what the unit is intended to be. The problems start when the count as models in no way resemble what they are supposed to be counting as
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>>62432277
Yeah how about you go back to telling new players to buy 3rd party because of your personal bias against perfectly fine models. Real credit to the community, champ.
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>>62432312
Green and gold, and make one of them guan yu.
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Is that a Malerion elf?

Also would you read the Warqueen novella?
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>>62432082
you have confused your nostalgic rose tinted glasses vision with good taste
>>62432066
>Free guild models suck big fat ass and really really haven't aged well.
basically this
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>>62432312
I'm a big fan of green and silver/gold
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>>62432312
Always use gold in moderation, looks like shit otherwise. Turquoise and steel sounds good.
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>>62432339
>perfectly fine
>freeguild

Pick one
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>>62432352
>Is that a Malerion elf?
probably a privateer elf if anything
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>>62432339
>calling shitty decade-old models shitty and decade-old is the same as telling people to buy models from another company
As I said, keep digging. It's hilarious.
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>>62432352
>Malerion elf?
>heart of winter
https://youtu.be/NIfSmtvob7w
dont tease anon i really want some of that thing
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>>62432352
No, that's probably Arika Zenthe. A Scourge Privateer character from the Callis and Toll books.
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>>62432395
Dark Elf pirate....friends with a Witch Hunter. What happened to the world?
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>>62432379
The closer you zoom in the funnier it gets.i don't think The guy In The back right is even wearing shoes
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>>62432354
T. Tastelet
>>62432379
Looks good, I pick both. Nice cherry picking btw
>62432385
Not even worth a (you)
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>>62432033
>00:00:55 11 hit combo with head explosion
couldnt have ended any other way
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>>62432352
Looks like a pirate elf, although I thought she was a vampire pirate at first.
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>>62432421
>Looks good, I pick both
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Nice cherry picking btw
Wanna see some Empire Knights? Oh wait, they were so shit that even GW axed them.
>Not even worth a (you)
P U S S Y
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>>62432411
Not a Dark Elf Pirate. They just look like them. They act completely different.
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How do you allocate wound on an Ironweld artillery? Do you just choose between the crew and the machine?
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>>62432421
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Which weapon/gear options are best suited for a Great Unclean One when fighting a horde Nighthaunt army?
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>>62432462
Nope. They're two different units, your opponent is the one who decides which gets targetted.
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>>62432462
No, your opponent has to nominate wheither he's shooting at the crew or the Warmachine, and then you take save rolls and allocate wounds accordingly.

The problem with this is it makes artillery extremely easy to snipe thanks to being able to target the weak crew.
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>>62432466
Against Nighthaunt? Rotigus. The guy just shits Mortal Wounds. If that's not an option, bell and flail are the best in all situations, I think.
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>>62432421
Lol, cherry picking, funny. Ok, an armies cavalry are typically some of their best models. Here's freeguilds
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>>62432478
>>62432472
Okay, I will have to tell my opponent next time. We weren’t sure and my phone had died so he was the one with the rules. It was getting late so we just tried to chug through the last bit of the game.
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>>62432504
Honestly I wouldn't mind this ones so much if not for the faces - this is some mantic level shit right there
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>>62432523
They look Luke they might not be too out of place in a cheap 3rd rate historical, but they super out of place in age of sigmar. AOS is practically he-man meets norse/Greek god mythology with themed realms loosely connected by portals. Some reinessance-esque Era peasants and conscripts wearing tights and cod pieces don't really belong
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>>62432523
A lot of the problem stems from them needing a fresh coat of paint. GW has shown that even ugly models like Beastmen can look fucking great when painted properly
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>>62432504
You keep posting pictures to prove something but it's not working. Those look good.

>>62432568
There's plenty of normal people around in the realms and Freeguild don't look out of place at all unless you expect some kind of Korean MMO aesthetic.

>>62432579
This. I'll freely admit the color scheme and paintjob quality are lacking.
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>>62432568
If you would give them some more pimped out armor(not to the sce levels but some plate, tabards, capes and feathers on officers) you could fit normal dudes in
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>>62432579
I think that in and of itself is a problem, not a solution. If you are using your incredibly skilled studio painters to mask the need for a model update by having them do an outstanding paint job on them, it's causing oroblems, not solving them. 99% of players won't be able to paint that well, and will have to rely on sculptural detail+a shade to get a decent paint job. The model should look good without any paint on it, just bare plastic. The pain t should the. Eccentuate the model and give it color, bit if the detail and quality isn't present in the sculpt, it's going to look like crap for most people
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>>62432618
You gotta be a fucking Irish potato farmer to think any of those look good
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>>62431998
I'm also seeing the frame of a screaming bell and the orb of the vortex beast
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>>62432086
>If I can't clearly recognise a unit, you are cheating.
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>>62432352
>Also would you read the Warqueen novella?
fuck no. it will be YAAAS QUEEN SLAAAAAAAAY wank
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>>62432652
dude the old school human models look like ass and need to be updated/replaced
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>>62432692
So a space marine novel, but with a female?
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>>62432086
>If I can't clearly recognise a unit, you are cheating.
Then everyone playing stormcast is cheating, because at a glance I cant tell 80% of the range apart.
All rook da srame to me.
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>>62432704
Not really, but I surely wouldn't object to new models in the range.
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>>62432033
>anime air fight
remove elfaboo
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was there ever a more based elf in all of the realms?
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>>62432724
Well, the image you posted is judicators and liberators which are more or less the same guys, except one unit has ranged weapons, and one has melee and shield. Same stat lines, same speed and save, both battle line. Those 2 are meant to look the same.

Compare liberators to some vanguard, or vanguard to something like sequitors, or even liberators to protectors.

Stormcast have a gestalt aesthetic, and the only thing that really looks super samey on them is the helmet faces, bit even those change between chambers.

It really helps when you see some that aren't painted studio colors. All the studio schemes tend to paint all the units exactly the same like they are fucking ultramarines or something
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>>62431377
>tq
Free company militia, i always wanted some, that and the amount of different weapons and option always seemed cool, it irks me that they still have proper rules but no model.
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>>62432724
no, you see, they are supposed to be told apart by the color of plume, belt, tabard, jewish star on top of the various different quantic spins a hammer and thunder symbol can have
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>>62431910
I never understood why they stopped selling forsaken. Relatively new, plastic, kinda nice even if for conversions.
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>>62432806
because they didn't sell
they costed way too much for 10 ugly sculpts, if they costed half as much probably they wouldn't have disappeared
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>>62432724
Not only do they all look the same but their names are all fucking stupid and impossible to remember.
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>>62432806
when did this?
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>This model's aesthetic doesn't fit with AoS.
They beauty of AoS is that you can fit pretty much anything and will not look out of place.
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>>62432855
Jewdicator
Prosecutor
Retributor
Fulminator
Relictor
Incator
anythingelse tor
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>>62432857
become more beautiful than this?
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>>62431377
>TQ

This bitches they were fantastic, if they ever update wanderers they must return
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The Everchosens forces have entered your dudes territory, how do they react?
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>>62432891
What is that pose meant to convey?
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>>62432872
>Awesome models
>Lot of possibilities
>Squatted

I always ask myself about GW train of thought
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>>62432891
> Waifu twins returning

Please don't, my dick can only get so erect!
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>>62432910
>Awesome models
are you fucking blind?
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>>62432872
They look better than the current chaos warrior sculpts and have a ton of bits for conversions for chaos mutations.
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>>62432898
Jump around and eat all of them.
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>>62432922
If you can't see what a simple paintjob could do for them than I can't help you.
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>>62432898
Literally nothing at all happens as my dudes openly trade with the Everchosen and make them weapons
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>>62432922
Maybe the disabled man is you anon.
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>>62431977

In my Deathmarch battalion I have 2x10 skellies with swords, and 1x 40 skellies with spears. Lord of Nagashizzar gives them +1 attack which is better with the swords. It's not worth a CP to bring back 80 pts in most cases though.
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>>62432931
Moonclan when? I need winged squigs
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>>62432948
Loyal allies shall be rewarded, brother
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Lets imagine anons. How you think Malerion model will look?
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>>62432972
Of course Everchosen. Though our hatred of the other races is strong, our love if gold is stronger, and the Everchosen provides great rewards in exchange for our daemon forged weapons that are second to none. Praise Hashut the Father of Darkness, may this shadow pact be eternal, our master Archaon
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>>62431377
Soon
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>>62432986
big dragon man
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>>62432972
>>62433001
Wholesome chaos interaction. Sigmar wants to destroy this.
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>>62432579
>beastmen models are ugly
You wot m8? The dragon ogors are their only regiment I don't like. Their single model units suck though.
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>>62433007
>best model
No one said they think it's the best
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>>62433007
itt people think forsaken are good models
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>>62433007
Point to one person in this thread that has said such.
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Do I play Gitnob grots or moonclan?
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>>62433007
Show proof faggit
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Gyrobomber or gyrocopter?
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>>62433007
imho his pajamas are too clean. The whole unit would be more authentically 1500s peasant horde if they had a palpable layer of filth.
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>>62433132
>Gitnob
>No.jpg

Moonclan is the patrician choice anon
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>>62433146
>authentically 1500s
>palpable layer of filth
Read a book. Also Empire soldiers aren't peasants.
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>>62433101
>I cant accept other people opinions

Sad.
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>TQ
Hellcannon
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>>62433162
Thank you so much !!! I couldn't make up my mind !!!!!! FIRST ARMY MOON CLAN
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>>62432898
>The Everchosens forces have entered your dudes territory, how do they react?
>the fucker that caused us to get squatted originally
that MOTHERFUCKER
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>>62433146
Peasants are Bretonnia, this chaps are a regular army. Though I agree the paint job makes them llok worse than they actually are.
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>>62433177
>Empire soldiers aren't peasants.
>Empire soldiers are clean

lol sure bud
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>>62433235
>talking about empire soldiers
>posts a pic of bretonnian grail pilgrims
what the actual fuck brah
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>>62432898
I stikk him one
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>>62433235
>Posts bretonnian pilgrims
>The point about cleanliness was about people in the 16th century
Have you been drinking your paint water again?
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>>62433132
moonclan, but with a twist they have clearer native american vests and worship the zun instead
how bout dat?
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>>62433235
>>62433272
>i can distinguish a difference between varieties of dirty peasants
good for you, gold stars for everyone.
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>>62432898
Nothing. Because my guys got fucking squatted.

Oh wait, no they weren't, they just got folded into ANOTHER FACTION'S FORCES.
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>>62433306
>I was just pretending to be retarded
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>>62433316
What do you play?
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>>62433306
i can distinguish a difference between varieties squatter dirty peasants that may or may not be represented by actual models
ftfy
the autism is real
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>model has built in square base with important bits for the model
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>>62433306
Smile anon
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>>62433306
Yikes.
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>>62433372
>>62433395
next you'll be telling me Cantha is meaningfully different to empire. I have the same problem with the 15 different kinds of space marines. they all look exactly the same to me. Maybe i'm not autistic enough for this hobby.
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>>62432898
New playthings?
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How much in GW shares would one need to pay for 2 units a month from dividends?

It's less than shares in other companies with the same ROI, because your purchases would contribute to GW profits.
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>>62433423
Actually anon not being able to tell obvious differences is a sign of autism, so you may be too austistic for this hobby.
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>>62431377
>TQ
Hellcannons and Forsaken. I WANT SOME WAR MACHINES GOD DAMN!
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>>62433517
>their are obvious differences between the 15 kinds of space marines and half dozen kinds of impoverished human plebeians.

if you say so.
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>>62433559
If you can't tell the differences between Space Wolves, Salamanders and Blood Angels or Breatonnia's actual peasants and Holy Roman Empire's stately troops, yes, you are either an autist or blind. Maybe a troll.
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>>62433426
God this is image is so old and yet no slaaneshi model ever looks as good as this.

Why can't geedubs into cute/scary faces, horns+hair, warped armour, non-static poses and big titties but no nipples daemonetts, wouldn't that please all?
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>>62433235
>Empire soldiers
>Posts bretonnians

Do you have a case of the retardo?
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>>62433559
>He can't stop
>He won't stop
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>>62433369
Looks like it’s time get get your clippers and hobby knife then.
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>>62433369
peg legs are more important than feet anyway
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Ghouls soon.
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>>62433559
Anon we already said everything please stop. And yes you are too autistic for this game (or a plain troll)
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>>62432958
Ah, I hadn't considered the CP cost, since it's a command ability rather than just the ability of the gravesites.
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Spiritual successor faction lead by him Y/N?
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>>62433697
Yes, but bring back the knights models, they were nice. I'd say even the peasants looked decent.
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>>62433659
no he is right
you do have to be autistic to see meaningful differences between the different space marines and the "regular human army" should be one thing and its only confusing to make arbitrary distinctions.
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>>62433718
>but bring back the knights models
Don't aim so low, anon. 100% new beautiful knight models with tons of customization!
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>>62433697
Yes but put more mythological shit on them not just pegasus. And peasants out.
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>>62433721
One group is in colored pajamss guns and feathers the other drab sacks and mud, if you can't see a difference you are retarded.
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>>62433721
>I'm right
>If you don't agree you're just retarded

Wow great points there I really learned a lot
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>>62433737
At this point, I'd be fine with new plastic models for the resin/metal ones and bringin back the rest.
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>>62432352
>Is that a Malerion elf?

No.

>Also would you read the Warqueen novella?

No.
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>>62433721
Next you'll say you can't tell the difference between chaos warriors, blood warriors and blight kings because well they are all just armored chaos humans.
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>>62432898
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>>62431377
why the heck are sce bigger than blood warriors? blood warriors are blessed by khorne to be the greatest warriors but theyre midgets compared to a regular liberator
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>>62433988
Blood warriors are just blood reavers that grew armor, all khorne units are already blessed to be swole as fuck. Stormcasts just have retarded proportions
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>>62433988
Both blood warriors are already bigger and beefier than regular human models, SCE are just absurdly big for no reason.
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>>62433988
Stormcast are reforged, Blood Warriors are just big guys.
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>>62434002
>Stormcasts just have retarded proportions
>>62434028
>SCE are just absurdly big for no reason.

Sigmar made them big.
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>>62434053
That's not a good reason
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>>62434066
It's a pretty good reason, if you're going to make super soldiers you may as well make them huge.
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>>62431494
Well, if they all looked as cool as this one. Nobody would complain.
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>>62434080
It's not a good reason when relating to the original point since Sigmar and Khorne are both gods.
By that logic Khorne and Sigmar would just get into a dick measuring contest as they try to make their warriors the most swole. It's bad reasoning and isn't relevant to the discussion at hand.
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>>62433559
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>>62434066
>>62434053
what i dont understand is if an old man dies and gets reforged does sigmar give him a young body combined with his grandpa face? best example is the castigator or ordinator. its hilarious
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>>62434106
>It's not a good reason when relating to the original point since Sigmar and Khorne are both gods.

Blood Warriors aren't the same thing as a Stormcast though. Stormcast are made from scratch physically, Blood Warriors are guys on daemon roids.

Khorne can go swoler if he wants, but your basic Blood Warrior isn't getting a lot of work done.
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>>62431998
What I dont understand is that he has epic conversions, great paintjob and yet such shitty bases.
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>>62434133
basically yes.
wrinkly old face with the body of a 20 years old athlete
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>>62434038
>>62434080
Blood Warriors (and chaos warriors for that matter) are powered up by chaos, they are bigger and swoler than any normal human. Stormcast are just bigger because reasons. Kirby wanted big toys I guess.
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>>62432352
No, its a scourge privateer.

And yeah, I own and like the model.
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>>62434170
I'm so sorry, where you born with shit taste or did it happen in an accident?
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>>62434153
Both are still normal humans, not souls reforged and given a peace of a gods power making them into demi gods of sorts.
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>>62434153
>Stormcast are just bigger because reasons.

Because Sigmar made them bigger.
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>>62434143
Stormcast aren't made from scratch, and unlike Seraphon are not Order Daemons
>>62434193
>>62434194
No matter how many times you post it, it's not a good reason.
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>>62434215
>Stormcast aren't made from scratch

Physically they pretty much are since they get blown up by magic lightning and put back together.

>>62434215
>it's not a good reason.

How not? If you're making a bunch of warriors to beat another bunch of warriors why not make them bigger?
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Faeries army when?!
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Ogor battletome Nov 2k18
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>>62431377
Okay guys, beginner here, just picked up Island of Blood and a Skycutter, and I'm considering getting a few other things to round out a 1500 point list. Here's my work in progress for a Mixed Order list since Swifthawks alone would need more units than I've got at my easy disposal right now.

>Leaders
High Warden on Griffon
Skywarden
Archmage

>Battleline
10x Saurus Warriors
5x Reavers
________???

>Units
10x Lothern Sea Guard
10x Swordmasters
10x Phoenix Guard
10x Shadow Warriors


I feel like I'm missing something obvious here for that last battleline slot. I really wish I could just take two battlelines, that would alleviate my problems completely. Any suggestions?
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>>62432299
Even Chivalrous armies?

I'm waiting on some Gamezone knights for my Brets.

RIDE! RIDE TO RUIN, AND THE WORLD'S ENDING!
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is this malarion?
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>>62434270
No.
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>>62434215
>No matter how many times you post it, it's not a good reason.
Ok they are bigger because Grungni and his dwarves Smith's used their superior dwarven smithing to forge these souls into beings bigger than blood warriors.
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>>62434232
Reforging still isn't made from scratch.
>why not
Because it makes a bigger target, makes less sense lore wise, is a bitch to transport out of universe, and as pointed out they are both gods, Sigmar making them bigger specifically for the sake of making them bigger than Chaos Warriors means that, by all rights, the Chaos Gods can just make their warriors bigger until it becomes a stupid dick measuring contest.
All in all; it was a shit design choice by Kirby, who is an idiot.
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>>62434241
I should mention that all that clocks in at 1320 points as of right now.
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>>62434282
Then what stops Khorne from pumping more Chaos Steroids into his warriors?
It's a stupid argument and you're an idiot.
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>>62434270
is this slaanesh?
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>>62431534
>Neferata: Mortarch of Blood.

Not the same anon, but got curious and I can't seem to find it in any form in the OP.

Anyone got a short summery or a link by chance?
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>>62434288
>Chaos Gods can just make their warriors bigger until it becomes a stupid dick measuring contest.
And they can these things are called lords and daemon princes, maybe read the lore every once and awhile.
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>>62434305
>basic bitch Stormcast are the equivalent of Chaos Lords and Daemon Princes
Take your own advice, then take your own life.
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>>62434288
>Reforging still isn't made from scratch.

Physically it is since they get reduced down to nothing and reassembled from magic.

>Because it makes a bigger target, makes less sense lore wise

They're supposed to draw attention and it makes sense lorewise.

>as pointed out they are both gods, Sigmar making them bigger specifically for the sake of making them bigger than Chaos Warriors means that, by all rights, the Chaos Gods can just make their warriors bigger until it becomes a stupid dick measuring contest.

CHaos can make them as big as they want, but the typical warrior isn't so big, and there's little reason to make the slightly bigger than Stormcast.
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>>62434329
He never said they were equivalent, just that they were indeed bigger than basic warriors.
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>>62434193
You are telling me the process that makes chaos warriors bigger, stronger, not feel the need to sleep, rest nor eat is worse than whatever fuckup Sigmar does?
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>>62434331
Literally every reason for making Stormcast bigger can be applied to Chaos Warriors, try again dumbass.
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>>62434329
No daemon princes are stronger hence proving that the gods can make bigger.
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>>62434298
>Then what stops Khorne from pumping more Chaos Steroids into his warriors?
Nothing he does it all the time if you actually read the lore.
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>>62434270
>>62434299
Is this loss?
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>>62434344
>Literally every reason for making Stormcast bigger can be applied to Chaos Warriors

Chaos Warriors aren't entirely remade through magic. The Chaos Gods can make their warriors bigger if they want, but they obviously don't feel the need to you size queen.
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>>62434341
Sigmar got Grungni to design them with superior dwarven craftmenship and infuses his own god power into each one. Being blessed by a chaos god is now that of these things read the lore.
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>>62434340
And the argument is whether or not they should be, don't jump in if you aren't going to read the chain.
>>62434347
I'm not even sure where to start with you.
But you're an idiot.
>>62434362
That's not the point, you brainless fuck.
>>62434377
So Sigmar is a retarded size queen, good job.
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the new stuff only looks bigger than the legacy potato models. and since those are on the way out and dont represent the aesthetic moving forward its irrelevant to make the comparison.
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>>62434392
>And the argument is whether or not they should be

What's wrong with them being bigger?
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>>62434241
Not here to answer but man those Helves models are kino, I really want to make a swifthawk army even if it means I would get tabled everytime
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>>62434392
>why doesn't khorne just make them bigger
>but he does
>that wasnt the point
Wew
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>>62434392
>So Sigmar is a retarded size queen, good job.

No, you are. Sigmar making them bigger serves a practical purpose. The Gods don't need to make their's bigger in general and they already have huge warriors who put the biggest Stormcast to shame.
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>>62434362
>basic bitch Stormcast = Exalted Champions
okay brainlet
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>>62434234
Now. Enjoy best fairy model.
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>>62434399
Because it's stupid.
>>62434406
Read the chain, retard.
>>62434410
>Sigmar making them bigger serves a practical purpose.
No it doesn't.
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>>62434404
That's what my original plan was, painting them is going to be the dopest shit
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>>62434412
Never said they were the same, just that khorne can make bigger troops. It's something that needs to be earned with chaos they don't just give out bigger stuff for no reason.
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>>62434424
>Because it's stupid.

How is it stupid?
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>62434397
>stalebait
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>>62434424
>No it doesn't.

Yes it does. They're supposed to beat Chaos Warriors, so they should be bigger
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>>62434235
Yes please, Firebellys
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>>62434424
>Read the chain
I did you are asking wht doesn't khorne just make bigger stuff if sigmar can I said he does and showed proof. Maybe put the goalposts down a minute might help you think.
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>>62434432
>>62434439
It serves no practical purpose, makes you a bigger target, and it's literally just because Kirby wanted big centerpiece toys.
>>62434446
I said that in reference to Blood Warriors, you stupid cunt.
The discussion is about why Stormcast are bigger, and it's literally just boiled down to a bunch of retards using Sigmar's shitty decision making to justify Kirby's shitty design choices.
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>62434456
>still stalebait
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>>62434474
>It serves no practical purpose, makes you a bigger target

They're supposed to be big a eye catching. Stormcast are meant to inspire and be imposing, so of course they're made to be bigger than their primary enemies. It also gives them better reach.
There's no reason to make them short.
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>>62434474
>I said that in reference to Blood Warriors, you stupid cunt
Blood warriors haven't earned being bigger learn to chaos, it's a meritocracy.
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>>62434248
Brother! Let us ride together! Noble, free and strong!
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>>62434495
Being big and eye catching is great for heroes and leaders, doing it to your battleline is retarded.
>>62434500
All I'm reading is that Sigmar is a retard.
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>>62434519
>Being big and eye catching is great for heroes and leaders

All Stormcast are meant to be heroes, that's the whole point.
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>>62434527
>My faceless battleline are Heroes!
Kirby, Sigmar, and (You), are all just retards holy shit.
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>>62434545
Do you even know the Stormcast fluff? Yes, they're all supposed to be heroes.
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>>62434557
>supposed to be
Well they're not, there's faceless battleline too, an army of nothing but heroes is retarded and it shows.
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>>62434587
>Well they're not

Well they're supposed to be, and so that explains their design.
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>>62432379
Empire Greatswords are still the best lookig fantasy/aos unit gw has ever produced. Get some taste as the empires landsnecht aesthetic is fucking top tier
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>>62434608
It's a shit explanation, Kirby was a shit designer, Sigmar is an idiot, and you're a dumbcunt.
I might as well just say the sky is blue and grass is green while I'm at it.
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>>62434241
Please respond lads
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>>62434241
>>62434678
Hi.
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>>62434668
>It's a shit explanation

Can you explain why? You don't like it because it makes you feel like a bloodlet from what I can tell.
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>>62434710
Hello friend
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>>62434712
I don't play Khorne.
As for why it's a shit explanation; because it doesn't line up at all with the setting.
Having you faceless goons be "heroes" is fucking retarded and it's not even true, Stormcast are overhyped garbage. Their design is shit, there's no good reason for them to be as big as they are and the only real reason is because Kirby wanted his pet project to be an army of centerpiece heroes and every argument about Sigmar doing it is just half-assed justifications made after they'd already been made.
Their fluff is shit, their design is shit, their models are shit, they're just shit.
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>>62434770
>because it doesn't line up at all with the setting.
>ignoring all the lore explaining it
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>>62434770
>As for why it's a shit explanation; because it doesn't line up at all with the setting.

How not? You can't just say it and make it so, where's the law saying they can't be bigger?

>Having you faceless goons be "heroes" is fucking retarded and it's not even true, Stormcast are overhyped garbage.

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>62434770
>every argument about Sigmar doing
But Grungni did it. Dwarven engendering is the best in the world.
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>>62431377
Holy fuck
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>>62434770
It's okay to not like something mate, no need to sperg out just because you don't like the reason for SCE swole existence
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>>62434788
>lore justifications made up by the retard who made them totally counts
>>62434796
It's retarded and you're retarded.
>>62434799
Chaos Dwarfs exist and their engineering is literally better than regular Dwarf engineering.

There is no amount of justification that will make Stormcast make any amount of sense.
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>>62434834
This is vastly superior to gay ass kkk jokes
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/11/nighthaunts-in-venice/
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>>62434845
There is no good reason, stop being a retard.
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Are the Freepeoples canon Sigmar cock worshippers? I really wanted a band of mercenaries as detached from Sigmarines as possible.
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>>62434847
>It's retarded and you're retarded.

But you can't explain why.
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>>62434862
Most.
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>>62434854
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>>62434862
They are what you make them. Free peoples are basically all non-chaos mortals
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>>62434847
>chaos dwarfs are better than the god that invented dwarven smithing
Sure anon.
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>>62434868
I already have, you ignoring reason and insisting it makes sense does not magically force it to make sense.
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>>62432898
>Everchosen comes at my dudes.
Laughs in Nehekaran
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>>62434862
>I want to be a special snowflake
The answer is yes
Also general reminder that you can still worship Sigmar or believe in him and be a dirtbag. God's are not alignments
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>>62434854
Amen.
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>>62434883
>I already have

No, you just keep saying you don't like it and that it's retarded, but that's not an explanation.
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>>62434880
Chorfs > Dorfs
Hashut > Grungni
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>>62434898
see >>62434770
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>>62432846
Pretty sure the main reason they didn't sell was because their rules were utter garbage. Plus Kirby pricing.
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>>62434874
>Your time is up!
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>>62434900
>Hashut > Grungni
>chorf fags actually think this
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>>62434911
I did see that, you just say they're shit and that you don't like them. You don't ever actually explain anything.
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>>62432872
God damn, those guys would make fucking awesome Tzeentchian Chaos Warriors.
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>>62434900
>Hashut
Literally who?
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>>62434900
>Hashut
Who?
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>>62434937
If you unironically think having your faceless battleline goons be heroes isn't retarded then no amount of explanation will ever get through your thick skull
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>>62433369
yes and?
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>>62434234
>4th panel
>manly men
I wish we had some crazy over the top Fae army, absolutley cute on surface but ofc grimdark under. Image the rage from grogs.
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>>62434542
That's cool. Spooks are all usually same and boring.
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>>62434957
See? No explanation. What's wrong with the idea of a company of heroes?
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>>62434934
>better armor
>better weapons
>better artillery
>actual magic
>not better
okay retard
>>62434948
>>62434950
Chaos God of Fire, like the Horned Rat but for Chorfs instead of Skaven and actually good.
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>>62434893
>God's are not alignments
I think AOS was just a big push towards abstracting factions towards just that. Remove hero names, remove the entire individual character from the main faction, Lizardmen don't even really exist outside of their Gods, etc.
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>>62434979
>Good
>Not even an afterthought in any mortal or god's mind

Okay fag
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>>62434971
Nothing, put as many heroes in your list as you want.
If you want heroes as your battleline you're a cunt and can go kill yourself for all I care, your opinion is worthless and discarded from then on.
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>>62434862
Technically not, that's why they are free. But they don't worship chaos either.
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>>62434992
>If you want heroes as your battleline you're a cunt and can go kill yourself for all I care, your opinion is worthless and discarded from then on.

Why?
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>>62434979
>and actually good
You mean remembered less than Malal.
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>>62434509
If I ever do a StD army, I'm definitely making it cavalry heavy.
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>62434998
And now it's bait and I'm done giving your dumbcunt ass (You)'s, you're a brainless husk, cease playing miniature wargames and promptly kill yourself
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>>62434983
Lizardmemes are more or less unchanged
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>>62434885
You dont exsist, he wont come.
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>>62435014
But you can't explain yourself.
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>>62435003
I've thought about it too, a thought they seem mid tier for calvary
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>>62434993
>(((Free))) people
>obey Sigmar law or die
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>>62435025
I play LoN with my old tombkings lead by Arkhan. So I would think so
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>>62435053
There is no particular Sigmar law.
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>>62434422
is his Fairy an extra-life?
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>>62435117
>There is no particular Sigmar law.
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>>62435184
>Cowards who abandon their posts get punished
That's your proof?
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>>62435184
>in the city of Azur
Sigmar can have his space dictatorship, everyone else is free.
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>>62435184
>literally mindfucks people to obey him
Sigmarfags will defend this
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>>62435184
>Break the law
>Get punished
>WWWWWWWWOOOOOOWWWWW
Okay, Phil.
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>>62435230
Do you have any idea what humans have done to cowards and traitors, historically? That's pretty fucking light.
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>>62433369
>clip off sides of the square base
>glue square base onto next-biggest round base
>make a ramp out of green stuff to smoothe the transition over
Done. Looks nice, slightly elevates your Hero to make him seem taller and isn't hard.
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>>62435184
>>62435208
>>62435213
It is shit being a "Free People". Sigmarines are basically the inquisition/gestapo when they aren't fannying around after Chaos or Nagash's shit
"You bear the mark of the traitor" boomed the leader of the armoured giants. "Justice will be done!" - From the Disciples of Tzeentch Battletome. Just some Judicators lynching a guy in the streets.
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>>62435232
>being brainwashed to obey is somehow less bad than being tortured
You sound like the perfect NPC.
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>>62435263
I view the erasure of someones mind and free will followed by the use of their brainless husk as your personal servant as worse than summary execution; and even if I didn't other people doing worse things does not excuse your own evil deeds.
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>>62434749
Hello to you as well, friend. Your list looks decent, from what little I know of elves. Wishing you the best in your endeavors and battles!
>>62435003
You really should. StD has good cavalry that's full of character!
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>>62435309
meant for >>62435263
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>>62435314
You're kind of exaggerating, all it does is make them unable to think evil thoughts.
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>>62435333
>and ensures they remain loyal
Uh-huh.
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>>62435333
It's a magic lobotomy.
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>>62435371
Not break his flimsy mount
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>>62435371
>was going to remove wings and make into a doombull
>that tiny connection point to the base scares me
What do lads? Finecast shit or flimsy base shit?
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>>62435553
Buy an Ogroid and put a Minotaur head on him? The Bloodthirster, even without wings, is waaay too big for a Doombull.
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>>62435571
Found a new pic, didya?
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>>62434854
They're well painted, but don't compare meme-jokes to actual army schemes, they serve completely different purposes and it just makes you look like a butthurt fag.
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>>62434299
Yes.
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>>62435208
>>62435213
>>62435230
>>62435232
Stormfag Internet Defence Force

Give back land you stole to the free dragon beast of Azyr.
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>>62435709
>Stormfags will defend this
>waaah Stormfag Internet Defence Force
Read posts before linking them
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>>62435709
One of those posts is not like the others.
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>>62434234
get back in the cage
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>>62435766
habeeb, this meme is basic
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>>62435747
>>62435745
Yes it implies there are other cities free of stormcast, and its corect, but in all other under the heel of Sigmar concept of being free dosnt exist.
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>>62435846
It doesn't imply that anywhere.
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>>62434999
Malal literally hasn't been mentioned once in AoS and Hashut has been mentioned several times by name

Also he has a paint named after him
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>>62435846
Are you having a fucking stroke or something?
My first instinct is to mock you and shitpost but I can't figure out what the hell you mean, there's no implication of that and I have no idea how you would infer such a thing.
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>>62435577
Thanks for the idea m8. Would look tzeench enough for my battalion
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>>62432803
> Jewish star
What? Is this an edit?
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>>62432867
>Kirby was just Doofenschmirtz
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>>62434241
Pick up no shit 3 islands of blood worth of reavers, spireguard, and another sky cutter.
Cutter always has the warden with the pendant. Always.
Reavers run around shooting the shit out of things, within range of a cutter to let them wound on threes. One cutter sticks with spire guard. Get 30 Phoenix guard as another blob with a frost heart with Anointed. Get a lore master and mage. Your army is now pure kino elf that will do better than expected
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>>62434854
WHY IS THE PLURAL OF NIGHTHAUNT NIGHTHAUNTS
FUCK THIS MAKES ME MAD
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>>62434270
Yes
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>>62434900
>Hash nut
I'm sorry who? What battletome is he in again? Or where in the core book is this guy(?) Mentioned?
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>>62436248
Could you at least pretend to put effort into your bait? This one is actually sad enough to get a pity (You) but that's it.
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>>62435303

Those meanies should have just referred that Tzeentch cultist to a de-radicalisation program.

Killing chaos warriors or orruks makes you just as bad as them.
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>>62436284
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>>62434900
>>62434847
S E E T H I N G lads
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>>62436355
The justice of tyrants is no justice at all. Death to Sigmar, Death to the Stormcast. Long live The Changer of Ways.
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>>62436369
god you're pathetic
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Is GirlPainting /ourguy/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zi5qJVw7fQ
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>>62436401
B O O T Y B L A S T E D
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>>62436459
I don't like that colur scheme nor her constant coughing.
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>>62436555
KECHEM what did you say about /ourguy/?
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Is it just me or are bait posters just not trying anymore?
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>>62436599
It's a lost art.
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>>62436599
Just wait until Be'lakor returns to the limelight.
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new
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He killed millions.
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>>62436459
>thot
>ourguy
I hope U suffer
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>>62436892
>thot
Want to know how I know you didn't watch the video?
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>>62436924
>Is GirlPainting
>dude
OK, I presed play, he is trany or a fag.
You like dragon dildos too?
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>>62437055
Uh, well actually...
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>>62434854
Yeah, all you need is 5 times as much free time as you currently have, shit-tonne of spare parts, advanced knowledge and painting skills, a LOT of plastic hats and/or superb greenstuffing skills.

Sounds doable. It looks cool though.
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>>62431494

Because most people here are "nu-GW" (for lack of a better term) and are a fan of the boring, bland monopose. Where I am, hardly anyone does anything to make a miniature their own. Their armies (hordes are boring as well) are all samey and not individualised at all. Even the colours are pretty much the same.

It doesn't help that GW kills a lot of creativity unless it's GW™ Approved™ Creativity™ using GW™ Citadel™ Miniatures™ for GW™ Kitbashing™ with their [insert number]% must be GW™ Miniatures™. I'm not even talking about using third-party stuff either as scratchbuilding used to be a big part of the hobby. Now that there's a boring, bland, and monopose kit for everything (and if there's not then fuck you lol) brought to you by Games Workshop™ and Citadel™ Miniatures™ with battleboards and shit like that creativity is virtually nil. The people just copying paint schemes for their stuff and trying to emulate the 'Eavy Metal Team™ (whose stuff is aesthetically pleasing and clean but genuinely garbage because it lacks any sort of character) are boring. They never branch out, either.

Reminds me of the Star Wars sequels where everything is bland and clean and utterly lacking any sort of character.

I love counts-as stuff. Just tell me what it is beforehand if I can't figure it out and it's most of the time amazing. Even when it looks mediocre or someone's skills weren't up to snuff I don't care. At least they tried. They tried to do something different and will get better if they keep doing it. It's amazing to see people actually, well, do the hobby instead of just buying stuff, putting it together in pre-approved ways, painting it in pre-approved ways, and then running the same thing everyone else does. Wow. Very fun. Haha. Roll dice.
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>>62432040

The hardware store and your imagination.





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