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#best elfs edition

>Official AoS website
ageofsigmar.com/

>Updated Forgeworld Compendiums
warhammer-community.com/2018/06/29/29th-june-a-monster-update-from-forge-worldfw-homepage-post-1/

>Resources
pastebin.com/UVKnsh7d

>AoS Novels, Battletome PDF and Audiobooks
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>Beasts of Chaos
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>Rulebook of Nightvault
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>TTS Mod Pack
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1363418757

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/warscroll-builder/
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
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nofile.io/f/EbyKWbMJVbM/dark+elf+photoshop+template.psd

>Previous Thread
>>62431377

>Thread question
when does best boy come back for the glorious return?
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>TQ
Soon
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Soon.
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reminder that the greatest cancer in aosg has always been elffags
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>TQ
Soon
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>>62436860
Soon
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>>62436860
Soon
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>>62436920
Nah definitely:
Fetishfags
>hurr durr where my fat sweaty werewolf skaven oni unicorn girls
Potatoposters who try their best to make this place as hostile as possibleand will respond to this post with some variety of potato meme within 15 minutes
THAT ONE CARLY CARMINE POSTER, YES YOU
Falseflaggers
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>>62437011
>THAT ONE CARLY CARMINE POSTER, YES YOU
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Why did Age of Sigmar turn out to be a good game while 40k is currently a steaming hot pile of Nurgle?
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>>62436860
Again, all the crazy as fuck characters, just to see them try and comprehend AOS . Idc if it's just a novel either
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I downloaded all the novels related to Nagash and his dudes.
Now, I have no idea in what order to read them. Shere should I start, my fellow spookers?
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>>62437023
Games Workshop set out to make Age of Sigmar bad so they could discontinue all Fantasy model ranges and make more shelf space for Space Marines.

With 8th Edition, they set out to make Primaris Space Marines really good so they could replace everybodies models.

Fortunately, Games Workshop doesn't succeed at it's goals.
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What're the chances of getting a new aelf army that's not ruined by being 40% thots?
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>>62437023
Because they fired Kirby and put Cruddace on the main 40k rules team.
Cruddace should not be allowed to write rules, he's an idiot who thinks maths is subjective and shows unironic bias for his armies when writing rules.
If you want to improve 40k rules email GW asking them to fire him.
Conversely without Kirby AoS has been allowed to grow into an actual game and none of the current AoS rules team are even half as bad as Cruddace. AoS has some stupid rules too, like static to hit and wounds, but 40k is filled with convoluted shit and is unbalanced as fuck despite the constant FAQ's
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>>62437102
None. Microwave your models and breath the fumes.
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>>62437102
we can only hope
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>>62436920
>>62437172
your autism is showing
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>>62437205
I found it funny.
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You may not like it, but this is what peak stormcast looks like
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>>62437011
>Falseflaggers
At least you know you are shit too.
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>>62437252
URP. LOOK AT ME MORTY. URRRP. I TURNED MYSELF INTO A STORMCAST, MORTY! I'M STORMCAST RIIIIIICK! URRRRP.
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>>62437101
>With 8th Edition, they set out to make Primaris Space Marines really good so they could replace everybodies models.
They really fucked up on that front considering how shit marines are in general in 8th.
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>>62437102
It would make sense lorewise for helves to get an update after slaanesh gets released. Hysh is completely undeveloped as a setting too
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>>62437191
Keep believing.
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for once, I laughed at a facebook meme
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>>62437279
>It would make sense lorewise for helves to get an update after slaanesh gets released.
Why? Slaanesh already has two dedicated opponents in the Deepkin and DoK.
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>>62437101
>Games Workshop set out to make Age of Sigmar bad so they could discontinue all Fantasy model ranges and make more shelf space for Space Marines.
Bullshit.
>With 8th Edition, they set out to make Primaris Space Marines really good so they could replace everybodies models.
Then how come Primaris are trash?
>Fortunately, Games Workshop doesn't succeed at it's goals.
>Fortunately, Games Workshop aren't as retarded as I am
ftfy
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>>62437309
Teclis and Tyrion are part of his sealing
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>>62437280
>Own Dispossessed, Dark Elves and starting Slaanesh
>tfw actually am Autistic, NEET and degenerate
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>>62437318
stop responding to grogtard bait
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>>62437279
Hysh is suposedly the place with the most Slaanesh worshippers, so you'l probably hear more about them during slaaneshmas
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>>62437280

What if I'm autistic but not a faggot?

This format is not fit for purpose.
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>>62437333
Good point. In any case Tyion's elves are definitely happening at some point and I doubt we'll have to wait long. I'm really curious about their looks since all AoS elves so far have been pretty evil.
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>>62437371
No, you see, not being a faggot overrides being autistic so it's irrelevant.
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>>62437280
is it really impossible for grills to be autistic?
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>>62437309
the Tyrion incarnate of light is an established character in the setting with an army of realm of hysh elfs that have been mentioned in the fluff repeatedly recently. Its happening, and shadow realm best boy elfs are happening too. Just give it time.
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>>62437318
I do think primaris were meant to be good, but GW overvalues armor saves and undervalues number of attacks in this emotion
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>>62437397
Nah. I dated an autistic girl once.
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>>62437371
autistic is a subset of faggot
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>>62437280
I saw the better version in the last thread and didn't bother saving it, saw this and went back to post it at you and saw it was delet
are mods Stormfags?
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>>62437397
you are misunderstanding this flow chart
all girls play sylvaneth or seraphon
their faggotry/autism is irrelevant
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>>62437399
Oh I'm not disputing that, I was just wondering about the link to Slaanesh
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>>62437427
no mods are confirmed grogtards, this has been well documented
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>>62437397
unironically; it's not impossible but it is medically less likely to happen
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>>62437456
>grog grog grognard grog grog groooog groooo gr gr grog grarghnahd
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>>62437456
I don't believe you without proof and I believe you to be biased and probably a Stormfag.
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>>62437403
I think Primaris are exactly what Space Marines were always meant to be: Good at everything, great at nothing. They have two attacks, they have Rend on their gun, they have 30" range, they have 2 Wounds... but in "My firepower is superior to your firepower therefore I win": The Game, they're just not killy enough to be worth a damn. Which is a shame since they're the first Marine models I actually like.
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>>62437306
Thanks for sharing, you scholar.
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>>62437469
>I don't like your buzzword therefore your post isn't true
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>>62437397
My sister has asperger.
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>>62437403
GW explicitly said that they were to be an optional sidegrade to normal marines and despite the crying primaris only fags they are still barely okay after countless FAQs+codexs so they meant what they said
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>>62437469
triggered
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>>62437524
The lore for them says otherwise.
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>>62437536
Well you got me. Whatever I say now, I'll just be a seething grog.
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>>62437524
>GW explicitly said that they were to be an optional sidegrade to normal marines

Yeah, that's why they got chaplains, librarians, apothecaries and captains.
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>>62437569
I'll let you in on a secret.
The guy you replied to is a seething grog, posing as a SCE player in order to spread SCE hate.
Keep on trucking Anon.
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>>62437131
>Not liking Static to wound
A guns a gun, a swords a sword, anon. If it wounds, it wounds. Toughness in 40k is total bullshit, and is basically a way to toss out wound modifiers. It makes some units weak as shit, while others far too hard to kill.

Weapon skill, however, I do sort of miss. I would like to see some way to do duels between heros, but otherwise, it is not needed.
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>>62437270
>Not Lord Aracanist Rickhammer Stormchez
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>>62437584
the models are obviously meant to be a truescale revamp of the range

but they learned from AOS that you cant just toss out the existing stuff or it will piss off too many people, so they compromised and kept the existing stuff

dont expect them to ever make more marinelets, its all chadmarines from now on
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>>62437595
Ah yes, because a peasant with a stick being just as likely to wound a goblin as a heavily armored monster makes total sense, dumbass.
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>>62437595
2nd ed / Shadow War's WS system was pretty neat in my opinion.
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>>62437612
>posting 40k bait in /aosg/
I almost think you might be dumb enough to believe your own horseshit at this point.
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Love moonclan grits because coked up crazy gits.

Dont feel like playing another horde army though
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>>62437612
They should have just updated the marinelets. I love how they looked like gothic knights in space. They had so much character in their designs. Primaris look like extremely generic scifi soldiers. They don't even look bad, in a way like them, but they're just so inoffensively bland.

The Horus Heresy models are absolute kino.
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>>62437636
Sure, if the heavily armoured monster can survive thirty times as many of those attacks.
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>>62437686
>Primaris look like extremely generic scifi soldiers.

Shut the fuck up, they look just like space marines.
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>>62437707
I figured I wouldn't need to point out that the monster with the big claw is just as likely to wound as the peasant but you're just being unironically retarded now.
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>>62437686
Problem is that most newer-ish marine models were overloaded with bling. From swirly shit on the armour to daemon faces coming out of it, to tons of furs and fetishes, to cups and blood drops and what have you. Primaris Marines are just marines. Thanks to that, any singular tiny detail suddenly adds flavor instead of just getting lost among all the other bling.
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>>62437612
>its all chadmarines from now on
I really hoped they would strait up squat all 25 different marine chapters and replace them with one chadmarine army with one codex so that GW can have more releases for more armies more frequently instead of having to do 25 space marine variant releases all the time.
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>>62437566
How so? The primaris wank is written from the prospective of the man who ordered their creation so it's just like chaos claiming to have the finest champions.

>>62437584
And those units have different equipment compared to the originals and vastly underperform compared to them as well
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>>62437744
And where is the problem with that? The gobbo has one wound, the gobbo has thirty. The monster wounds on 2+ and does 5 damage, the peasant wounds on 5+ and does 1. It's like you're trying to be obtuse.
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>>62437777
*the monster has thirty.
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>>62437686
>They had so much character in their designs.
there you go with your nostalgia and rose tinted glasses again. the marinelets look like shit because theyre old as dirt and the whole range desperately needs to be replaced with updates.
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>>62437803
Show me the big monster whose primary attack wounds on 4+. I'll wait.
Also grow a pair and reply to people you pussy.
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*crack*
*hiss*
Now back in my day Daemonettes were real hotties, not like these methheads you see today.
*sips*
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>>62437636
Yes, it does. It may be an abstraction, but most heavily armored models have either multi-wounds, a decebt armor save, or both.

For example, Stormcast, Warriors of Chaos, Iron Jawz, etc.

The armor save is meant to represent the idea the strike that would wound hits armor instead of flesh; if the save fails, the armor fails, or the attack hits an unarmored spot.

The multi-wound shows how tough a model is in its constitution. Yes, a monster may be wounded by a peasant with a stick, but it shrugs it off because its not severe enough to take it out of the fight yet. But the same stick stabbing a goblin will definetly kill the goblin.

Thats speaking in a simulationist fashion; gamewise, it helps prevent the 40k situation, where toughness acts as a way to modify a weapons wounding capability, rather than a indication of how strong a weapon is. Its essentially adding a -1 or -2 to your weapons to Wound roll if it doesn't meet a certain criteria. Its literally just an abstract and more general way to hide modifiers.

I prefer AoS simply because it means all units can have a chance to do damage, and it makes the use of High Toughness/Save Center Pieces not as viable; see Knights as the problem there.
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>>62437768
The actual lore for the extra implants they get and what they do gives them steel tendons that makes them stronger than standard Astartes.
Despite the fact that they aren't actually stronger in game.
Kirby absolutely designed Primaris to be reboot Marines and squat Marines, thankfully for both 40k and AoS Kirby was removed.
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>>62437848
>Kirby absolutely designed Primaris
Kirby was history two years before Primaris were released, dipshit.
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>>62437827
Yeah they could have done that without making them generic scifi marines.
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>>62437870
>pointing out logical fallacies is bait now
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>>62437864
>he doesn't know how long releases stay in backlogs after design while they actually sculpt and assign resources to producing enough of the models to sell
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>>62437864
>2 years before primaris release
>3 year pipeline
Checks out
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>>62437841
No, it's blatant oversimplification so they don't have to think as much.
Justify it however you want but it makes no sense, it's stupid, weapons can have bonuses to the strength of the unit too.
If they keep stripping stats like that they might as well just roll off to see who wins.
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He grilled millions.
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>62437890
>sweetieposting
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>>62437960
Why does my steak have eyes?
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>>62437950
Damn, busting out the Week 1 arguments, are we? Go ahead, go all out and tell us we belong in /toy/ because AoS is not a game.
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>>62437960
In my mind the voices of Tzeentch daemons are Australian.

Nurgle are Southern United States

Slaanesh is stereotypical french

KLhorne is scottish.
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butin
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>>62437971
he is right and you are wrong
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>>62437984
Oh no, it's currently a game, but the lack of strength and toughness is retarded.
Week 1 was a fucking shitshow and don't even pretend it wasn't, the game had no rules on release and AoS was basically dead in the water, it wasn't until GHB that AoS actually kicked off as a game and everyone knows it.
The only reason they haven't brought back Strength and Toughness is laziness because the system is too different now and it would be too much effort, which is a shit excuse.
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>>62437950
Okay, suggest a new wounding system that:
>Works within a mass combat game
>Doesn't arbitrarily make some units useless in combat, and others invincible
>Makes wounding more than just a series of modifiers

Weapons have both Damage and Rend, as well as the wound stat, as a way to show the strength of a weapon. Weapons that are strong, IE Cannons and Great Weapons, usually have both high rend and higher damage, to signify the strength and power of the attack.

Honestly, if you wanted to get into it, there really shouldn't even be a to-wound roll at all. Almost all cases show that if a weapon hits, it wounds unless stopped by armor. Thats how combat has worked for all of history, even pre-historic.
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>>62438081
>everyone knows it.
Objectively false.
>The only reason they haven't brought back Strength and Toughness is laziness because the system is too different now and it would be too much effort, which is a shit excuse.
Or maybe because, y'know, it's worked the last four years and you're the only one who has a problem with it.
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>>62438120
>suggest a new wounding system
Don't need to; Strength and Toughness
>>62438132
>Objectively false.
Summed up your own post.
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>>62437996
>Nurgle: Southern United States

Isn't that nighthaunt?
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>>62438144
Okay, enjoy your Knights and other Super-Heavies, and your near useless infantry.
>>>62437715
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>>62438192
Naa, Only similarity nighthaunt have is pointy hats, I guess you could say growing up in the south is akin to the punishment nighthaunt receive though.
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>>62438144
And once again you've made claims without backing them up. It's kind of a running theme with you, isn't it? I mean, I get that you think the superiority of S/T is self-evident and we're all just an elaborate false-flag op to you, but you know, you could try explaining to us dim-witted people why S/T is better than differentiating models via wounds and damage values instead.
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>>62438120
>there really shouldn't even be a to-wound roll at all
Are you retarded?
1. roll to hit, if you hit continue
2. roll to see if the hit landed as more than a glancing blow, if you wound continue
3. defending player gets an armor save to see if the wound is shrugged off
While it would technically make more sense for the save to be before the wound, that would require the rolls to be interchanged too many times and doesn't let the defending play feel like his armor save actually did anything.
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>>62438218
T. Urbanite with bullet holes in his civic
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>>62437996
>In my mind the voices of Tzeentch daemons are Australian.
>GET IN THE FUCKING CHARIOT SUMMONER
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>>62436962
It's from a website called Inkarnate

Also have the expanded map so you can see more than just the Rotbark Wetlands
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>>62438222
Did you know that Warhammer Quest doesn't have any Wound roll, just Hit rolls and that works just fine?
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>>62438252
im guessing you're from the south and are personally offended by comparing your life to an immortal punishment by the god of death.
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>>62437102
You mean a whole new faction or some expanded microfaction? I want to see angelic/daemonic elfs
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>>62438207
Infantry are literally the strongest thing in 40k since 6's always wound in the new system you fucking retard.
If you don't know what you're talking about keep your stupid mouth shut, mouthbreather.
>>62438221
Because it makes more sense thematically and lets you actually see the strength and toughness of your units.
Also because the current system has stupid cases where a fucking goblin is just as likely to wound a peasant as he is to wound a chaos warrior.
>but muh wounds
>but muh armor
Wounds, armor, and toughness are not the same stat, toughness is how hard it is to remove wounds, armor is how well the units armor shrugs off the wounds.
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>>62438320
>I want to see angelic/daemonic elfs
why not normal elves?
there was not a single normal elf released for age of sigmar so far
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>>62438286
>Warhammer Quest
>works just fine
You mean the game nobody plays that got replaced by Warhammer Underworlds?
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>>62438367
>You mean the game nobody plays that got replaced by Warhammer Underworlds?
Uhh anon...
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>>62438286
I didn't.
But I never played it, I didn't think anybody even bought it except to get the models.
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>>62438400
I'm more surprised that a gameline is spread across both 40k and AoS than I am to be proven wrong, this is new.
I didn't know Blackstone Fortress was Warhammer Quest and I've never seen it with the Warhammer Quest title before.
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>>62438345
>Because it makes more sense thematically
To you.
>lets you actually see the strength
I can tell that from how well something wounds and how much damage it does
>and toughness of your units
I have save and wound count for that.
>stupid cases where a fucking goblin is just as likely to wound a peasant as he is to wound a chaos warrior.
Which matters how? The gobbo has half the wounds and a worse save.
Also, counter-argument:
40k's wounding system has the bizarre moment where a Space Marine and a Plague Marine, despite their different Toughness stats, are equally likely to take damage from a Lasgun.
>Wounds, armor, and toughness are not the same stat,
Don't care, they fulfill the same purpose.

>inb4 you call me a bait-poster because I debunked your arguments
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>>62438434
It's in the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07bouWnhUL4
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>>62438400
>blackstone fortress will have no wound rolls
ah shit I was looking forward to it, hope the models are shit so I won't be too tempted to buy it, always feels like a waste to buy a box for the models and never play the game inside
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>>62438345
Don't play much 40k huh?
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I found a nice kit of 28mm scale Sengoku period troops that will give me a pretty decent 1500pts Free Peoples list for only $120. My only question is: It comes with 12 horse-mounted samurai. Should I convert them to be Outriders or Pistoliers? They're armed with naginata or bows, so I'm going to have to do arm swapping either way
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>>62438345
>Infantry are literally the strongest thing in 40k since 6's always wound in the new system you fucking retard.
Which is why Necrons are so broken right now, right?
Oh wait.
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>>62438345
No, they are not. Far from it; almost every competative or good list in 40k either uses Infantry for Obj holders, Tarpits or CP batteries. Knights are the premier unit, followed by things like Tank Spam, negative to hit spam, or other hard to kill super heavies. You will never, ever see any number of Guardsmen kill a Knight of any variety in 40k, not to mention that those same Guardsmen will die in round of shooting from a Knight across the battlefield.

40k is mechanically mess, that heavily favors trading shots between artillery pieces, and fast moving melee that either makes it into combat due to speed, toughness or numbers, all the while popping CP to enhance your damage. Its a crappy system that I do not enjoy, and for the most part, I want its "Unique" mechanics to stay a part of 40k. I have a Admech army thats collecting dust on a shelf, because its frankly just fucking boring to play them now. 40k is not an agressive, and melee focused system, and thats why I do not prefer it.
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>>62438498
E L L Y R I A N R E A V E R S
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I think he rage-quit, lads. Post cool conversions and kit-bashes to celebrate!
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>>62438506
Dumb example.
Necron is not top-tier by the sheer virtue of paying a faction-passive tax on all their units which they don't get if the enemy has enough guns, which all competent armies have at 2k points.

Why did you use Necron as an example for Infantry when other factions have better Infantry?
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>>62438462
>claiming to debunk arguments despite spouting nothing but opinions
Well you're just full of yourself aren't you cunt?
>can tell how strong something is from how well something wounds
You mean the gutted system that replaced strength vs toughness?
>save and wound count
are still not toughness you doubleretard
>counter-argument
Your counter-argument is just saying "but this doesn't make sense either!" and you have the actual gall to act like you debunked anything? You're right, you aren't bait, I was being too generous, you're just dumb as rocks.
>>62438506
Necrons are weak because wounding anything on 6's was their entire gimmick and despite giving it to everyone and not giving Necrons any consolation they still cost roughly the same.
Also 40k has shit balance and Cruddace doesn't play Crons, anything Cruddace doesn't play gets shit rules, it's a very suspicious pattern.
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>>62438515
The infantry doesn't even need to kill the Knight, massed infantry, slow playing, and sitting on objectives with more models than a Knight could reasonably kill is what makes infantry like Guardsmen and Ork Boyz good. This isn't a selling point of 40k and 40k becoming slow gunline armies where whoever gets the first turn is almost guaranteed is exactly why I barely play anymore.
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>>62438616
>Why did you use Necron as an example for Infantry when other factions have better Infantry?
Because Necron Warriors' entire gimmick revolves around them spamming their guns in the hopes of punching through shit with enough 6s. Or it used to, at least.
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Quick which is the real one? Too late you're already dead.
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>people defending scrapping strength vs toughness
Stockholm Syndrome is a strange phenomena
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>>62431494

Because most people here are "nu-GW" (for lack of a better term) and are a fan of the boring, bland monopose. Where I am, hardly anyone does anything to make a miniature their own. Their armies (hordes are boring as well) are all samey and not individualised at all. Even the colours are pretty much the same.

It doesn't help that GW kills a lot of creativity unless it's GW™ Approved™ Creativity™ using GW™ Citadel™ Miniatures™ for GW™ Kitbashing™ with their [insert number]% must be GW™ Miniatures™. I'm not even talking about using third-party stuff either as scratchbuilding used to be a big part of the hobby. Now that there's a boring, bland, and monopose kit for everything (and if there's not then fuck you lol) brought to you by Games Workshop™ and Citadel™ Miniatures™ with battleboards and shit like that creativity is virtually nil. The people just copying paint schemes for their stuff and trying to emulate the 'Eavy Metal Team™ (whose stuff is aesthetically pleasing and clean but genuinely garbage because it lacks any sort of character) are boring. They never branch out, either.

Reminds me of the Star Wars sequels where everything is bland and clean and utterly lacking any sort of character.

I love counts-as stuff. Just tell me what it is beforehand if I can't figure it out and it's most of the time amazing. Even when it looks mediocre or someone's skills weren't up to snuff I don't care. At least they tried. They tried to do something different and will get better if they keep doing it. It's amazing to see people actually, well, do the hobby instead of just buying stuff, putting it together in pre-approved ways, painting it in pre-approved ways, and then running the same thing everyone else does. Wow. Very fun. Haha. Roll dice.
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>>62438632
>same-fagging this obviously
Also, learn to spell, slav.
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How would you update empire anon? Aesthetic and new units allowed
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>>62438679
>everyone who disagrees with me is a samefag
>and a slav
okay retard
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>>62438647
I miss the gauss rule.
Their reanimation is cooler at the cost of usefulness.
Necron's biggest sin is that their Monolith is dogshit, which on all accounts it shouldn't be.
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>>62438716
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>>62438679
>samefags conversion spam pretending to win the argument
>calls others samefag
Kill yourself.
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>>62438632
>Knight, massed infantry, slow playing, and sitting on objectives with more models than a Knight could reasonably kill is what makes infantry like Guardsmen and Ork Boyz good. This isn't a selling point of 40k and 40k becoming slow gunline armies where whoever gets the first turn is almost guaranteed is exactly why I barely play anymore.

Than why in the world do you want to transfer 40k mechanics into AoS? If Knights didn't need their ludicrously high Toughness and Strength, then those points could be redistributed to its Attacks, Damage and rend. In AoS, a Knight wouldn't be absurdly hard to kill, while also being able to scatter hordes of Guardsmen due to damage spilling over. Hell, it would probably get both its blade and Stomp attacks at the same time.
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He killed millions.
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>>62438656
>you're already dead.
No shit sherlock
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>>62438750
>doesn't even know what same-fagging means
>tells people to kill themselves
What a sad sack of shit you are.
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>>62438756
>transfer 40k mechanics to AoS
>calling strength vs toughness a 40k mechanic
Are you being retarded on purpose? It's a Warhammer mechanic, always has been, it's removal should not have been done.
Strength vs toughness being in 40k is not the cause of 40k's problems and that much is apparent to anyone with more than half a brain.
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>>62438672
But again, most people here don't play according to the meme.
And the way some people discuss things I'm inclined to believe them.

I play Nighthaunt myself.
The only real way to customize them is greenstuffing or swapping parts around.
I feel fulfilled painting them myself, even if I use the GW blue/green/white/black, and I honestly can't give any shits if people on the internet call em boring, which seems to be a steady thing here.

Like my opponent's tastes could ever dictate my enjoyment of my dudes.
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>>62438760
Not unless there's five models in that unit
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>>62438793
Not as sad as the loser pretending he won the argument and trying to bury his shame under a mountain of conversion pictures.
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>>62438760
To end up with the same abilities and kit as in whfb, even as the new Cairn wrait on the coach gets a ranged weapon.
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Is this the new method of denying you lost the argument? Picture dumps to bury it in the archives?
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>>62438819
>doesn't realize the thread has already moved on without him
>insults the one actually contributing
>doesn't realize that in order to "win" an argument, you have to consider the other side worth arguing against in the first place
Mate, you don't have arguments and you dismissing mine by calling them "opinions" doesn't actually make them less valid. So the way I see it, I was arguing with a five-year-old. You can either post something you enjoy or you can keep replying to someone who thinks you're a terrible troll.
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Is this the new method of denying you lost the argument? Spamposting "hurr you lost the argument, and I won because I said so!" to bury it in the archives?
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>>62438656
easy answer
a real skaven would never turn his back to another skaven
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>>62438590
>he's not responding
>he must have rage-quit!
I've never seen such a thirst for (You)'s
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>>62438884
>that model
holy shit thats fantastic anon, love it.
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>>62438702
Keep the armored look. Make them like commoners that idolize SCE to the point of it being a little unhealthy, and have attempted to arm their best knights in cheap iron and steel imitations, and make up for their lack of magic and natural prowess with uncaring gunpowder weapons that they're just as quick to turn on each other over petty land squabbles as they are the enemy.
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>>62438928
Not mine, but I agree. Most GUO conversions using the Glottkin fail because of the derpy face, but with an actual GUO's face, it works.
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>>62438672
On one hand anon, I agree in the sense that counts as, proxies and non-GW models/conversions are awesome and should be encouraged, I think you are being dismissive and kinda harsh on some people. I mean, yeah, its kind of a short cut to just buy GW terrain and stuff, but then at what point do you stop? Should we complain about how people don't sculpt all their models out of GS? If a person likes a model as is, thats fine. And I also agree that GW is putting out multiple mono-pose models does increase that samey-ness.

You just have to realize that people will always have different standards of themselves in the hobby. Because, after all, it is a hobby. There will always be those guys who just buy models as is, and build, paint and play them as is. At the same time, there are those people who get into the lore and want to play a specific faction.

I think your confusing the hobby with getting blander with getting bigger. There are still those super creative people; and just because GW is being Jew-W and only showing their personal stuff, doesn't mean they don't exist. GW might not show them off, but just like that Nighthaunt Article that came out today, they encourage conversions. Remember, baby steps man. Even the most expert artists in the hobby probably started doing simple stuff like head and gun swaps.
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>>62438884
You're an idiot and a retard; you posted no facts, no proof, nothing, you're an opinionated sack of shit who thinks his opinions are right. Strength vs Toughness was a good system and removing it has not made the game better, in fact every mistake Kirby made being reversed is what has improved AoS and removing that mistake would improve it as well.
You're a pathetic sack of shit hiding behind a picture dump, acting like posting conversions and models so you can say you contributed excuses your earlier blatant retardation and the world would be a genuinely better place if you killed yourself so nobody had to read your garbage opinions ever again.
You aren't contributing anything you've made, just pictures you've saved, anyone could do what you're doing and they'd be a better person for it because at least they wouldn't be pretending they aren't a piece of shit.
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>>62438744
So that's where those shield images came from
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>>62438947
Neat.
I'd also give them access to gryphounds and lesser gryph-breeds as someone needs to breed all the animals as the SCE is off dying in battle with their steeds.
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>>62438963
Ok, that is hands down the coolest mini I've seen today. Where is it from and from what kits can it be converted?
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>>62438991
tl;dr
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>>62439033
Okay here's a tl;dr for you.

Kill yourself.
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>>62439033
well thats just an admission of defeat if I ever saw one
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>>62439016
From what I can tell, the staff and the body are from the Battlemage kit. The hat, I'd say, is Gandalf's, but I could be wrong.
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>>62439038
>>62439033
You guys are one of the reasons I don't bother to post new threads anymore.
I hope the others don't feel the same.
Have a nice day regardless, the both of you.
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>>62439033
It's like two paragraphs dude
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>>62439080
I'm aware, but I don't see any value in arguing with a dismissive troll. I do, however, see value in pissing him off.
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how were vampire created in aos?
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>>62439112
You're even more pathetic than he is and you're just as dismissive, so you're actually worse because you're a hypocrite.
I couldn't even tell you were trolling him, you just look like a retard.
If you hadn't responded to him and just started posting cool conversions you'd be fine, but now you just look like a dumb petty asshole.
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>>62439112
>merely pretending to be retarded
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>62 seconds
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>>62439154
It's not a reset, Anon. Vampires were made the same way and continue to exist into AoS.
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>>62439218
>everyone who disagrees is a samefag
Stop digging.
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>>62439218
We're a slow general, you're paranoid.
Stop being paranoid, why are you so paranoid? There's nothing to be paranoid about, you're just being paranoid so stop being paranoid.
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>>62439221
>Vampires were made the same way
you mean people brewed another half assed potion from nagash notes and then got maledictions after maledictions by him or that the bloodlines all trace back to the old world meaning there were vampires that survived the end times?
manfred and neferata were brought back by nagash, so unless the vampires started appearing only after nagash summoned them from his memories then they can't be the ones that spread vampirism
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should i do tzeentch daemons (for the 40k stuff as well) or bonesplitterz
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>>62439265
Well that about sums up my entire experience with this general in two lines.
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>>62439218
You do know that if people want to samefag they can just use two different devices connected to different networks right? Everyone has a phone with mobile data these days, and most posters have a computer.
Counting the seconds between posts is pointless. I could pull my phone out, type up another post responding to you, and reply at the same time as myself and it'd be within the 62 second mark.
Accusing people of pretending to be multiple isn't always irrelevant because some fags do it but your method is a little outdated.
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>itt autist image dumps conversions to hide his argument
I'll just come back and post my models next thread then, I didn't do that much painting anyway
at least it's better than the "hurr potato" posts
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>>62439348
Pick another force or if you go for Tzeentch, at least play daemons + Tzaangors. That way you can still use them for 40k. But both of the options you named are expensive as fuck.
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>>62438991
>Strength vs Toughness was a good system
Explain why it was though.
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>>62439438
Oh, you poor fool. You have no idea what you're getting yourself into.
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>>62439354
Wow those are nice
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>>62439465
Wish I knew what they're played as. I mean, there's Deepkin stuff, Lokhir, Nighthaunt stuff, the Merwyrm is Destruction...
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>>62439433
Well at least its something to look at while you two work out obvious sexual tension and ruin a thread
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>>62439308
They all trace back to the old world, and all Vampires originally trace their bloodlines to Mannfred, Neferata or the Carrion King.
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>>62439492
iirc it's a Death army with the shipwrek with fleetmaster being a Black Coach and the merwyrm lair being a Zombie Dragon
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>>62439434

suggest the other force, if you please
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>>62439433
I personally like potato posts.
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>>62439514
>merwyrm lair being a Zombie Dragon
it doesn't even have wings and that's not even a conversion, it's just a big scenic base
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>>62439539
I'm wrong, yeah He used a Karybyss as a stand in, but THAT was eating a shipwrek as well so just got mixed up. The shipwrek is actually a Mortis Engine.
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I want to go full demons, which god is the best for this?
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>>62439518
As I said, Tzeentch Daemons alone are fairly expensive if you want them to be competitive in any way. But if you toss in a couple units of Tzaangors and Tzaangor Skyfires, you can still have a fairly decent force for a fraction of the cost. And since all the Tzaangor units are also legal in 40k, supplementing Tzeentch Daemons with them wouldn't hurt your plans of using them in 40k.

>>62439539
Maybe it dives to count-as flying?
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>>62439590
>>62439539
He called the army Wraithfleet, so go check it out. It was a Death Army
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>>62439438
Because it showed how strong or tough each unit actually was. It was a nice numerical measurement system, using the to wound of weapons to compare strength doesn't work because some of that could be the weapon, and using wounds and saves to measure toughness doesn't work because half of that is the armor.
It gives you an actual idea of how units compare to each other and comparing strength vs toughness is a good way to decide where you'll send what unit. As it currently is when deciding what to send where you just want to remove the thing that does the most damage or has the strongest ability, there's more strategy than in 40k but that's because of alternating turns and the inability to bring oversized anti-planet guns that you sit in your backline and fire at the strongest enemy model. Unless you play Ironweld maybe I don't know their rules well.
It was also good for the wargear system, which is completely scrapped. Every option is free so every option has to be as good as the other options, which is just retarded and causes stupid shit like Chaos Knights MAGIC weapons being worse than regular metal weapons. That's a different problem but if the wargear system of spending points for banners, instruments, and special weapons ever came back we'd just need strength so we can have a unified weapons system instead of the current "all hand weapons are unique and special", plus there's the other stupid things it causes like Daemon Princes costing the same amount with wings as without and Chaos Sorcerer's costing the same on a mount as on foot.
>>62439461
Kill yourself you self-wanking faggot.
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>>62439589
Play Seraphon
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>>62439625
And how exactly is any of that better than what we currently have? Aside from "because I like it more", that is?
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>>62438283
Thanks, Nurglefriend. It looks like I have to sign up/or in to use the software? I've got some ideas kicking around in my head about where /mydudes/ and /myotherdudes/ are from, and would love to get a proper map like yours going.
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>>62439686
I already answered that you tl;dring, brainless fuck
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I wish they made the empire the poster boys of AoS and introduced SCE as a minor faction. i'm a SCE player because i like the models and play style but i hate that they are being pushed all the time and steal the limelight from all the other lovely factions
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damn son painting khorne mortals is so time-consuming. all those details and spikes drive me mad
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>>62439711
No, you didn't. You explained why you prefered it. Why do you want the number-crunching of priced wargear? Why do you want to look up charts? Are you to intelignet for AoS? The system has worked fine for four years and you're literally the only person who has a problem with it. Wounds and Save work just as well as Toughness for differentiating how survivable different units are and wound rolls and damage values show how killy a unit is just as well as Strength did.
The only problem here is that for some reason you think that an infantry model shouldn't be allowed to put a scratch on a big monster even if that scratch is a) unlikely to happen because of the infantry dude's bad wound rolls and the monster's save and b) still leaves the big thing with a boatload of wounds. There is no need for the bloat you advocate. The game works perfectly the way it does now. And before you make up some example, ever heard of abstraction? No, it doesn't make sense that a spider's venom can kill ghosts, but that bit of simplification is far better than the alternative.
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>>62439740
Agreed. And also because as it is, it's really hard to feel or remember that there are normal people, and not just that SCE are the 'humans'.
They're supposed to be an elite minority, but we never actually see the rank and file normals, let alone the cities of normal people living normal jobs.
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>>62439827
We see those constantly. Maybe read literally any novel, campaign book or bit of flavor text?
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>>62439820
>four years
GHB was not there on release you delusional retard.
Because we're playing a miniature wargame, not checkers.
I never said low strength models shouldn't be allowed to wound high toughness models either you strawmanning cunt.
Having rules is not bloat, there's nothing wrong with abstraction, the fucking strength vs toughness system IS an abstraction for fucks sake.
Simplification is not good for the system, we saw that when telling Ork players to scream and Slaanesh players to pull out mirrors and make eye contact for bonuses killed the fucking game on release, sales didn't pick up until GHB.
The easy fix for monsters being too hard to kill is to balance the toughness, wounds, and saves appropriately for their points cost. Something having a lot of wounds does not means it needs high toughness and vice versa.
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>>62439740
>I wish they made the empire the poster boys of AoS

Yeah because that worked so well for Fantasy.
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>>62439930
And Sigmarines did so well for AoS on release?
We've all seen the sales by now.
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>>62439930
>posterboys
>fantasy
Uhh anon...
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>>62439758
The bloodreavers are the problem.
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>entire LGS plays SCE besides me and one nighthaunt guy
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>>62439112
How does one make this model?
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>>62439944
>And Sigmarines did so well for AoS on release?

Better than pyjama boys.
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>>62439820
Dude wtf is with the fucking essay?
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>>62439955
>literally nobody in the store plays SCE
>Khorne, Slaanesh, Idoneth, FeC, DoK, Ironjawz, BoC, Fyreslayersz, swifthawk agents
>not one fucking stormfag
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>>62439984
>game literally dead in the water on release
>still better than the game with no support
Until GHB, Fantasy was seen more often at my store than AoS and that was just the store owner and one Chaos Warriors player. I know, 'anecdotal', but still, the sales data adds up.
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>>62440053
March probably. Either that or a Skryre tome.
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>>62439921
>GHB was not there on release you delusional retard.
Never claimed it was. Maybe assume less?
>Simplification is not good for the system
It is, though. Any rule system you can't teach a noob within the intro game is bloated.
>we saw that when telling Ork players to scream and Slaanesh players to pull out mirrors and make eye contact for bonuses
Joke rules are simplification. Tell me more, senpai.
>killed the fucking game on release
>*I* didn't play it until the GHB and since I'm the only relevant person in the universe, that means nobody played it.
>The easy fix for monsters being too hard to kill is to balance the toughness, wounds, and saves appropriately for their points cost
Or, you know, remove toughness entirely so anything can do scratch damage to them. Still takes forever to kill a tough monster with infantry. But you'd need to actually play the game to know that.
>Something having a lot of wounds does not means it needs high toughness and vice versa.
And why should that matter? There doesn't need to be a Toughness stat.

So far your entire """"argument"""""" hinged on the fact that you don't like early AoS with its joke rules and no points. Congrats, you're not the only one. But guess what, there are points now and the joke rules are gone. Still no toughness and the game works regardless. Will you finally explain what's so important about Strength and Toughness or will you keep saying how shit AoS was on release as if those two are related?

>>62439955
>shit that never happened
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>>62440055
I believe the reason AoS took so long to take off was all the goofy rules and lack of direction. And 40k has just lost all momentum because unlike AoS it's a game that needs solid structures found in codexs. That only a year later they are finishing
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>>62440031
>x6 SCE players, 2 of them literally use the same list
>nighthaunt guy
>nurgle guy (me)
I've had one actually refuse to fight my Nurgle army because they don't like chaos. Only half of them I'd say know what they're doing and can be fun to play with but it is a bit stale playing against the same faction and models every time
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>>62439959
Pretty sure the body is just the least flashy parts of a Battlemage kit put together. I think the head is sculpted from putty. Not really sure, though, it's been a while since I looked at this guy's stuff.
He's got a big thread on The Ammobunker forum. Goes by Nordic.
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>>62440158
>shit that never happened
I don't know why you would say that. That local store could have an AoS playerbase of 5 guys 3 of whom have stormcast armies. That's an entirely plausible scenario, particularly if one of the guys who plays stormcast split a box with the nighthaunt guy or something.
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>>62440223
Thanks man. I love the nosferatu sorta look to it.
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>>62440235
It's possible, but I find it incredibly unlikely since by all accounts, they are not a popular army by any stretch. I could at this point give my own circumstantial evidence and say that among our dozen AoS players, we have one SCE player, but that doesn't prove a thing either, so I won't.
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>>62440271
Every single new-to-wargaming normie has a stormcast army because they come in the starter set. Stormcast armies might not be popular with established warhammerers, but some random faggot who liked D&D and thinks paladins are cool who decides to get into wargaming will automatically play stormcast.
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>>62440158
>never claimed it was
>worked for four years
You either implied it or you're an idiot.
>simplification is good for the system
You're wrong and stupid, I unironically had an easier time learning Fantasy 8th when I first started than trying to port my army to AoS.
>joke rules are simplification
Strawman harder retard
>AoS wasn't dead on release I swear
I'm not even going to bother linking the sales data to you because we've all seen it by now and it's not difficult to find in a search engine.
>there doesn't need to be a toughness stat
Your "argument" is an opinion, and it's a shit one.

Of course AoS being shit on release is relevant because every reversal of the shitty release ideas has been an improvement, there was never any reason to remove strength and toughness, it was just Kirby being an idiot and the sooner it's reversed the sooner the game will improve further. Let's look at everything they've done to reverse it so far shall we?
>put points back
>brought back spell lores
>re-merging armies that got arbitrarily split ie; Beastmen
>brought back missions to play
>removed joke rules
All removals of shitty release ideas, all improvements, now we just need to add two more;
>bring back wargear
>bring back strength and toughness
and guess what? Both of those would be improvements too.

For someone who accuses everyone who disagrees with him of only spouting there opinion that's basically all you do; you hypocritical cunt.
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I am thinking of converting said pic into a Beastlord for my Slaanesh Beasts of Chaos.

Anyone know of any good heads that might fit a female Beastlord/ beastman? Was thinking of somethig cow like but i am not pulling up any good links.
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>>62440184
I think 40k's lack of momentum is because Cruddace just shouldn't be allowed to write rules for factions he doesn't play and the fact that GW is trying to force people to pay for points FAQ once a year.
Not sure what retard at HQ thought Chapter Approved was a good idea, some idiot probably thought they'd milk sales with a paid mandatory FAQ but it just pissed most of the players at my store off, pretty sure the store only sold one copy and everyone just shares it.
I'll be surprised if the store owner buys more than one or two this year because he knows damn well it won't sell.
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>>62440405
Why not just greenstuff a snout or whatever it's called over her existing head? She even has horns.
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>>62440195
we've a good mix around my LGS, but we're really heavy on the death in general, mostly because of the fucking troglodytes who jumped on nighthaunt because they win in the hands of a thumbless mongoloid.
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>>62440340
The new players at my store started Sylvaneth and Daughters of Khaine.
Really depends on how the store itself tries to sell things I think too, because my FLGS owner is a nice guy who prefers to sell things after a bit of a chat with the player to help them decide what army they actually want.
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>>62440459
not the best at green stuffing but it isnt that hard to do what your suggesting. I could at the least add the cow snout if no one else has any suggestions.

Thanks anon.
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>>62440389
literally the daemon personification of "pic"
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>>62440389
He once sneaked his way into Slaanesh's realm for the sole purpose to cut her hair while she was sleeping so I'd say >>62440509
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>>62440357
>You either implied it or you're an idiot.
So basically the experiences of everyone who played before the GHB are worthless to you. Fine, then I say it worked for the last three years. There was a GHB then. You happy now?
>You're wrong and stupid, I unironically had an easier time learning Fantasy 8th when I first started than trying to port my army to AoS.
>My experiences trump yours
great argument
>Strawman harder retard
No, that's actually what you said. You talked about joke rules and oversimplification in the same sentence when the two have nothing to do with each other.
>I'm not even going to bother linking the sales data to you because we've all seen it by now and it's not difficult to find in a search engine.
I don't care what data you have, people did play it. Not many people, but people did and you dismissing them just makes you look like a spoiled child.
>Your "argument" is an opinion, and it's a shit one.
Your argument that toughness does need to exist isn't any better, you know. It's just as much of an opinion and in my opinion, just as shit.

So, I'm still waiting on that explanation of why Strength and Toughness are important, because you managed to write down a whole essay replying to me without actually adressing the main point.

>>bring back wargear
>>bring back strength and toughness
>and guess what? Both of those would be improvements too.
In. What. Way. Would. They. Improve. The Game. You keep saying this as though it's self-evident. It's not. Nobody except you asks for it.
"Because I'd prefer it" is an opinion, not a fact. Even you must realize this.

Also
>idiot
>You're wrong and stupid
>retard
>hypocritical cunt
Wow, you sure know how to get your point across.
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>wargear
fuck no, that shit is cancer.
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>>62440340
I mean sure, pretty much everyone has some, but that doesn't mean they collect them. I have all the 1.0 starter set stuff here as well but I wouldn't play them if you payed me to.
But I see your point that some will, especially if they have different backgrounds.
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>>62440554
>everyone who played before the GHB
Literally who?
>my experience trump yours
Do you have anything besides strawmans? I'm not going to put "Trigger Warning; anecdotal evidence" every single time I reference my personal experiences you fucking autist.
>it's what you said!
What could be simpler than telling Ork players to yell and stomp their feet for bonuses? No more silly maths right? Fucking retard.
>people played it I swear!
Sales actually dropped during AoS release, earnings that year almost fucking plummeted, so yes I will dismiss children getting into the game with no rules and some people trying to see if their old army works with the new rules and giving up.
>toughness doesn't need to exist
You're still wrong and you've done nothing to prove me otherwise.

I've given you literally every explanation under the sun you stupid, dumb cunt.
Fuck you, we're done here, you are literally too stupid to argue with; every single argument I give you is dismissed out of hand because you're literally a braindead retard.
I repeat myself when I say this; but the world, and every /aosg/ thread would be better off if you killed yourself, you fucking burden on discourse.
I've explained why strength vs toughness and wargear are actually good for the system and you argued against the very idea of miniature wargaming. Sell your models, stop playing, play chess, or duck duck goose, or any other similar game with simple rules that's easy to learn. Leave /aosg/ forever, kill yourself, I don't care, just stop posting. Pull the bleach out from under your sink and chug it, buy a gun and become a gun crime statistic, headbutt the sidewalk from the roof of a multi-story building, get into a wrestling match with a car, or just fucking hang yourself.
If you are trolling, stop posting in the knowledge you have succeeded because yes I am angry; angry at the universe that something as mindblowingly retarded as you was permitted by natural selection to live, you living mistake.
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>>62440750
>Fuck you, we're done here, you are literally too stupid to argue with; every single argument I give you is dismissed out of hand because you're literally a braindead retard.
So basically you can't even explain why your opinions trump other people's opinions. Good, thanks for admitting that. That's all I wanted to know.
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>>62440777
No, I can't explain it to you because you're being willfully retarded, you brainless cuntfuck of a stupid retard.
Now kill yourself and stop posting, in that order.
I'd fucking kill you myself by now if I could, your death would be worth the effort of disposing of your corpse, and it would be the only worth you would ever have.
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>>62440777
>ignoring his arguments makes me right
you may have made him mad as hell but you're just trolling anyway
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>>62440691
Being able to customize my dudes rules was fun though.

Having all my cool kitbashes invalidated sucked man.
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>>62440875
ITT strawmanning faggot still hasn't killed himself.
Get the fuck to it retard, end your life, do it. Kill yourself.
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>>62440815
>I'd fucking kill you myself by now if I could, your death would be worth the effort of disposing of your corpse
Uh-huh, internet tough guy.
You've given no explanation whatsoever. You say it would be better for the game, but you can only list your own experience as arguments. You dismiss the experience of people who don't agree with you as trolling or stupid as if your opinion is the only correct one when it's evidently not.
You keep making bullshit claims and when you're called on them, then suddenly it was all just "strawmanning".

You can just keep calling people stupid, but when it comes down to it, nobody cares, nobody likes you, you're the reason conversations die when you walk into the LGS. So either you accept that the game has moved on without you or you could accept that maybe you're not the center of the universe and the game does not need to cater to your needs.

And the fact that you think anyone disagreeing with you must be a troll is the icing on the cake, because it implies that you honestly believe you're actually in the right here.
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>>62440838
Hon, I've tried answering his """arguments""" for a solid three hours now and it basically all boils down to "s-strawman!", "n-no u" and namecalling while not actually defending his position.
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>>62440896
you have strong potato related proclivities
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>>62440919
I have given every explanation and at this point, I know you're trolling, but I don't care. I hate you.
I'm going to tell you to kill yourself until you stop replying in the vain hopes that maybe you'll just fucking do it.
I'll keep giving you your stupid (You)'s, I don't give a shit, you can have as many as you want, with the knowledge that you and I dragged this thread into this pit of bullshit.
You deserve nothing but scorn and I hope you die.
>>62440945
Ignoring the arguments doesn't make them not there, and it's apparent that everyone else can read, much better than you from the looks of it.
You are a disgusting waste of space and the world will be a better place without you in it, you're a burden on everyone around you. Nobody at your FLGS is laughing with you when you act like a dumb cunt, they all just give nervous laughter and secretly, they're glad when you leave.
I hope something I say hits some hidden insecurity in you because when you stop replying and finally kill yourself it'll be a fucking blessing.
Suicide is painless anon, just take a bath with your toaster.
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http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/output/0832318001539313759/41283909.mp3

In case anyone else wants to masturbate to the mad grog ranting.
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>>62440964
Free Peoples soup when?
I just want to play napoleon against shitcast
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>62440945
o no u dont u cheeky cunt
yea no tho not getting involved, get your little responses from the other guy I already gave you one and that's one too many
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>>62440945
somewhere in the world out there he is reaching critical overload status
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>>62441006
Samefagging won't save face, there's no point in doing it either.
Just kill yourself and put yourself out of /aosg/'s misery you stupid brainless cunt.
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So the GT finals are this weekend - DoK or LoN which do you think takes first?
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>>62441000
Right after battletome: Swifthawk Agents
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>>62439590

why are they expensive? seems like the start collecting has everything i need, really. i am not a super competitive person when it comes to things that involve rng.
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>>62441051
>maybe if I use the same arguments that were used against me when I did it, I won't look like a dumbass
KYS
Y
S

Do it already, end it all, kill yourself you useless cunt.
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>62441020
>62441006
This whole thread is giving someone a Vietnam flashback to there parents divorce.
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>>62441042
Probably DoK since they have the raw volume of attacks to eat a lot of what LoN brings to the table. But it'll be close, and interesting to see if anyone cracks the code on a surprise list to shake up the meta.

I am looking forward to the rankings and the lists
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>>62441049
Thing is, Pink Horrors essentially have 20 Blue and 20 Brimstone Horrors worked into their price tag, so if you don't use those, you're wasting points. But that means shelling out sixty burgerbucks on top of every unit of Pink Horrors you play. You can of course play them without doing that, but then you end up with a very, VERY sub-par army.
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>>62441073

well darn. i should probably just play khorne.
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>>62441068
Yeah I think DoK has it, that said it is a GW event with nearly full realm rules (no beasts) and likely random realm traits so there could be a huge monkey wrench.
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>>62441061
You do know I'm just sitting here laughing as you regurgitate the same insults and "kill yourself"s over and over again while you're too terrified of not being right to realize that I'm not the only person making fun of you, right?
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>>62441061
im the second guy who disagreed with you in that picture btw

inb4
>no u same person
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Autistic screeching aside, what're you working on tonight /aosg/? You do work on your models, r-right?
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>>62440994
This gets even funnier when you listen to it while reading his posts because you notice how often he repeats himself.
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>>62441098
really? realm rules and random traits will put a lot of RNG into the equation that could really make anything possible. Not sure that's smart in a tournament but its their show so they can do what they want I guess.
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>>62441099
You do realize I don't give a shit if your dumb, trolling face is laughing or not? I just want you to stop posting or kill yourself, preferably both.
>>62441110
Literally any idiot with a phone could do what you just did, the method is described further up, which is probably how you learned how or you'd have done it earlier.
If I was half as pathetic as you I could turn on my mobile data and do the same thing, it's not hard, you're not special, you're just pathetic.
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>>62441131
Fineshed building the models for silver tower gonna start playing with some friends once we get all the heros we want.
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>>62441143
They've said they feel that's the best way to play AoS so it'll have full realm rules (which honestly the entire back half of the season has been using) but the biggest difference is they're going to randomly determine realm traits where most of the other tournaments have curated the realm traits to those that are most conducive. They'll also likely be using the secondary missions they published.

I will say playing with realms is far better than no realms - to the point where I won't attend events that aren't using realm rules.
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>>62441131
Started on the first base of my Nurglite Soulsnare Shackles, painted my Primaris Marines' bolter casings and worked a bit on my Chaos Warriors. Hopefully the weather stays nice tomorrow, I can't paint in artificial light.
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For Kurnoth Hunters, Swords or Scythes?
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>>62441185
Tough. Rend -2 has lots of uses, especially against Lizards. On the other hand, damage D3 has screwed me over too many times to count, so the flat 2 from the swords is tempting.
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>>62441131
I sprayed my Beastmen and was gonna start painting but then got pulled into a game of Killteam.
Honestly wish I'd painted instead, 6 player KT is not fun, it's just tedious. Now I'm too tired to paint and I know I'd make too many mistakes.
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>>62441185
bows
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>>62436860
Reposting for advice for a fill-in 3rd Battleline in a Swifthawks/Mixed Order list, assuming I already am considering buying a second Island of Blood and need to wait a while for my funds to recover.

>Leaders
High Warden on Griffon
Skywarden
Archmage

>Battleline
10x Saurus Warriors ((UNDER CONSIDERATION))
5x Reavers
________???

>Units
10x Lothern Sea Guard
10x Swordmasters
10x Phoenix Guard
10x Shadow Warriors
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>>62441131
Getting my finishing touches for our store tournament this weekend.
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>>62441263
So if I may ask a question or two.

What is your goal? Thematic, competitive, fun models, other?

What point level are you aiming at?
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>>62441145
>being this deluded
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>>62441143
It is a kind of equalizer, though. Thanks to the realm lores, tome-less armies still get access to additional spells, which helps bridge the power gap between tome factions and non-tome factions.
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>>62441282
I was hoping you'd killed yourself.
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>>62441303
No, you said that to me, not him.
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>>62441313
>calls me delusional
>pretends to be someone else
I'm not falling for it, kill yourself.
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>>62441326
no. what this anon >>62441313 said is correct.
you told him to kill himself but you never told me that.
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>>62441326
>I'm not falling for it
>There can't be more than one person disagreeing with me
>maybe if I close my eyes it's not real
How deluded can a single human being be?
Or are you one of them NPCs I hear so much about?
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>>62441342
>>62441347
>20 seconds
Damn, I must have some fucking awesome reflexes to simul-post that fast.
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>>62441342
>>62441347
Oh I don't doubt more than one person can disagree with me.
But nobody else but a dumbfuck troll would reply to this chain, it's just you and me in this chain, and I'm not stopping until you kill yourself.
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>>62441277
I'd say primarily I'd like to have something that could win me 60-75% of games at the 1000-1500 point level while being thematic/fun. I'm new, so I'm not expecting to win a lot, but I would like to win a decent percentage to keep it fun on that side of things. I'll enjoy crafting the army either way.
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>>62441369
It's not that hard actually, as pointed out you just need to phone post and regular post at the same time.
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>>62441288
It does not, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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>>62441371
Nah mate. I'll outlive you, guaranteed. At this point, you'll burst a blood vessel long before I'd even get suicidal thoughts.
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>>62441372
Then take a frostheart phoenix.
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>>62441411
With Anointed? What should I do for battlelines?
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>>62441399
Not really. A faction with its own spell lore will still prefer to use that as it's more specialized while a faction without now finally has some spells other than Arcane Bolt, Mystic Shield and the warscroll spells to work with.
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>>62441405
Raging against you is cathartic, do you think exercise pops blood vessels too? You seem retarded enough.
>>62441406
I can use paint too retard.
>>62441406
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>>62441392
>implying I give enough of a fuck about you to jump through hoops like that
You really do think the universe revolves around you, huh? It's okay, I was twelve once, too.
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>>62441427
tome armies get both tome lore and realm spells
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>>62441444
I'd be amazed if you reminded yourself to breath long enough to survive that long.
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>>62441427
No Nagash would rather cast Ghyran spells over anything he has access to as would Morathi. The realm spells reward armies with strong and multiple casters (i.e. tome armies). Also depending on the realm every army would rather cast realm spells than their own.
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>>62441465

The better question is what's a good cheese list for Skaven.
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>>62440883
>waaah the tiny bauble I glued onto a guy doesn't have rules anymore, that means I'm not allowed to glue tiny baubles onto my guys anymore
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>62441487
wow he's right, you are a cunt
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>>62441460
I'm aware. But tome spells are more focused on buffing the tome's army in particular while the realm spells are more generally useful. I wouldn't waste my casting attempts on some realm spell if I could cast Plague Squall instead, for example.
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@62441487
>outright being against conversions
Yikes.
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>>62441505
Depends on how many wizards you bring I suppose.
Also having more tools to choose from is usually better, and like you said, tome lores are stronger than realm lores so realm lores don't even actually bridge the gap between tome and non-tome armies.
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>>62441505
Then you're fucking stupid - Inferno Blades is literally one of the best spells in the game.
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Wew tonight we are literally on fire... Who started the flames?
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GW hates conversions, or at least that's what potatosacks told me.
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>>62441519
>>62441504
>missing the point that hard
What I'm saying is that removing priced wargear doesn't restrict conversions, it encourages them. In WHFB, if you thought a flail looked cool and you'd love for your Lord to have one, you first needed to check what a flail does, then notice that flails are shit and then you'd dismiss the idea. In AoS, the Lord can only have one weapon profile no matter what you give him, so you can model him with whatever you like and it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile, in 40k people start bitching if the sheathed knife on a model's belt doesn't have a statline. No, seriously, look up the Custodes' Misericorda.
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>>62441574
There has been like 5 fires all seeming to be unrelated but for all we know it could be one guy looking to argue.
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>>62441577
GW never did, what they hated was rules with no models and it was mostly legal issues.
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>>62441577
No one told you that. Morons don't understand their conversion policy and lose their minds about it and then just lie.
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>>62441561
Mate, my army has melee damage out the wazoo. What I need is sniping potential. My lore spell gives me a damage spell with infinite range. Inferno Blades only makes my units better at what they're already good at.
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>>62441614
You mean literally doubling their melee damage capacity and being one of the best possible spells you can cast in any given scenario (unless your entire army is D2 or more already?). You don't need to snipe when you have Plaguebearers or Blightkings with Inferno Blades because you table and win.
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>>62441580
Call it a personal preference but I don't like modeling things on my dudes if there's no rules for it, and I like when conversions and kitbashes are supported by rules. Also I'm the type that doesn't mind using subpar rules if I like the aesthetic, I got a lot of shit when I first started for for doing too much customization to my list, because I'd take things I liked and wanted for my dudes over what would be optimized and I'd pay for options that I just plain didn't need for the sake of army theme, so my units were overpriced and it was my own fault. It cost me games but I still liked doing it.
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>>62441626
Look, I'm not saying it's a bad spell, because it's obviously fantastic. What I am saying is that a tool that allows me to one-shot an artillery crew can end up being worth more than something that lets my melee units wipe their enemies when they can already wipe their enemies. Also, and this is the important one, if realm rules are in use, then it's a 1-in-7 chance of being Aqshy, so only a 1-in-7 chance of even having access to Inferno Blades. Meanwhile, no matter what, I will always have Plague Squall.
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>>62441612
Unironically, GW does lie, I know this pic isn't AoS but it's a good example.
Facebook team has gotten better and now instead of trying to explain what they don't know they just admit the company doesn't tell them anything.
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>>62441675
Right but the premise that realm spells somehow help non battle tome armies more than battle tome armies is false. Battle Tome armies just get better with access to more tools - best case scenario they both get boosted the same amount which means the playing field is no different from where it was when you started.
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>>62441669
I get the feeling and lord knows I did the same. Heck, everyone who ever owned the 3rd ed Chaos Space Marines codex built at least one 350 points Chaos Lord. But I find AoS liberating as there's no need to ever argue about what gear is what. Is that halberd a spear or an axe? I don't fucking care, it's an "Ensorcelled Weapon".
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>>62441702
They have a stated conversion policy - its been the same for years and only actually applies to WHW. What it is is people get butthurt that they don't allow proxies. It isn't about GW lieing, they literally feature hundreds of conversion in their media on a regular basis.
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>>62441706
I never had the gear arguing problem, my store isn't too bad about enforcing WYSIWYG on each other, but a lot of us including me are a bit autistic about self enforcement of WYSIWYG.
But when it comes to each other it's just a quick, "what weapon did he have again?" and then the answer.
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>>62441423
>>62441263
Ebrace potato. Go to ebay and buy more reavers, spireguard and high wardens. Ride Griffons into the sunset.

Also at 1000 points you can't ally jack shit in, so if you end up running mixed order so that you can use a good damage boy like a dragonlord or a phoenix using high elf shit you're stuck with reavers for battleline. Alternatively you can also use Glade Guard, Bleakswords or Dreadspears if you want to do that. This also applies at 1500 points since it's usually going to be a vanguard +500 points.

Really, though just be the most autistic potato elf nerd possible and brute force past the barely functional rules and get enough reavers to have 3 units for your battleline at 2000 points.

Basically just dump $300 on legacy elf shit on ebay and scream at warscroll builder until you have a barely functional army. Then base everything on rounds, grit your teeth and pray for a better future.
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>>62441705
Not necessarily because, urgh, how to explain this. Let's say you use two Skaven Arch-Warlocks. Now one uses its unique spell and Mystic Shield, the other uses Arcane Bolt... and that's it. The faction has no lore, they only have those three spells, two of which have been nerfed rather harshly in 2.0. But with realm spells, they get to make actual use of all four of their casting attempts. Meanwhile, a tome army with lore would have already been able to use all their casting attempts.

Sure it just ends up giving tome armies EVEN more variety, but it makes additional wizards not so much pissing in the wind for non-tome armies.
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>>62441752
Then I envy you, because the people at our store were really anal about it.
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>>62441776
to this?
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>>62441725
Yeah but GW still absolutely lies, as shown.
The complaints above are about the 40k Daemons Codex, Slaanesh lost half their HQ's and then they just lied about the reasoning on the FB page when questioned.
I wasn't weighing in on conversions, just the rules and GW lying.
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>>62441774
But that's still wrong, if you have 2 Skaven Arch Warlocks who get to cast with all 4 of their attempts they still don't come even close to flexibility provided to Allaraielle and a Branchwych or Arkhan and 2 Necromaners or Nagash or any number of other Battle Tome options. We haven't seen some massive spike in non tome army placements during the 'realm season' in tournaments for a reason. Books with strong casting options get far more out of realm spells than any non tome army.
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>>62441821
I never said GW didn't lie. I said morons lie about GW's conversion policy. So I guess +1 point for you for correcting a statement that wasn't made?
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How would you guys feel about proxying/converting up Fenrisian wolves for Dire Wolves?
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>>62441796
Yeah I'm pretty grateful for my FLGS, friendly players, friendly store owner, nice small community that gets along.
Sorry your local community isn't as nice anon, I got lucky and have no real advice for it.
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>>62441755
How heretical is painting Bleakswords in High Elf colors?

Also would the aforementioned Saurus Warriors as Mixed Order battleline be a good choice?
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>>62441846
I'm very tired and I think I misread something sorry.
What is GW's actual conversion policy then? With sauce preferably in case someone pretends to be you and lies like you say morons do.
My main annoyance is they claim not to produce rules for models they don't make, then they cut rules for models they do sell and make rules for models they don't sell. I thought that was part of the conversation, either I misclicked or I'm more tired than I thought.
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>>62441774
>>62441826
Let me be clear, I love realms and I think they're the best way to play AoS. I don't attend events that don't use them. I'm just saying that they don't actually help non tome armies more than tome armies.
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>>62441914
This is their full policy.

https://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/Model-Requirements.pdf

Basically conversions are fantastic (provided they're GW parts) but proxying is not OK.
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>>62441939
Here is the most relevant portion. I regularly play in WHW events (will be at the GT finals this weekend as a matter of fact).
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>>62441887
>How heretical is painting Bleakswords in High Elf colors?
It's fine. They're just elves with different ethnic backgrounds in current lore anyway. Darkling Covens, Wanderers and Swifthawk military units might plausibly exist in the same free city and march to war in the same livery.
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>>62441979
>Naggarothi not wanting to eviscerate an Asuryani
>Hoeth Loremaster looking at Khainite Witch Elf without puking from sheer distress at her abs
Is there a plausible lore explanation for the change? Surely the Delfs think they're hot shit because Malekith was the true Phoenix King anyway.
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>>62442011
Yes, the fucking world exploded and none of that shit other than the witch elves exists anymore.
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>>62441939
>>62441974
Hm, that's good to know. I didn't know they enforced WYSIWYG.
Thanks, I'm still a bit salty at GW for lying about why rules were scrapped but their PR team has gotten better lately.
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>>62441702

GW is still a shitty company. It blows my mind how shitty companies can be. It also blows my mind how a lot of people treat the companies like friends when all they want is their money. That is literally all companies want from people and they'll do anything to get it.

I wonder what wargaming was like under the Soviets and their somewhat "communism?" Americans need not answer.
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>>62441985
They just made it?
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>>62442032
CHS has had long standing and still being felt implications for the business. I still worked there when it first came down.
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>>62442034
everyone shared the same pool of models and got allotted time at the tables
slow play is considered greed, slow play gets you sent to gulag
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>>62442050
I know about the CHS thing and all that, but the example I used, I use because there's no CHS justification for it.
As pointed out in the picture the Herald on a Chariot was a model they actually sold, and Slaanesh Heralds didn't get fancy new names like the others for GW to copyright.
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>>62442029
So none of the current elfs remember or keep track of their old heritage?
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>>62442095
You realize that's because it wasn't worth the effort given that Slaanesh is getting a new release right? But that they couldn't say that at the time?
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Who was in the wrong here?
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>>62442034
They're middle of the road in shittyness, really. They're very, very litigious and have that "can't ever admit a mistake because if we do the shareholders will want someone fired" mentality going on, as well as some of the strongest corporate groupthink ever.

For a company of their size they are more like that than I'd generally expect, but they're not actually evil, like Disney or Activision.
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>>62442065

Good. It's what they deserve.
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>>62442156

All capitalists are evil, anon. All of them.
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>>62442115
>your army is unplayable for a year and we won't tell you why
Just because that's true doesn't make it okay. Also I have a thing against lying, especially blatant public lying like that, I prefer their current model of confessing they don't know.
Also in that case they should have just saved the Daemons codex for the Slaanesh release.
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Wich audibook from AoS you guys recommend the most ?
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>>62442097
The current elves are completely different beings, who just so happen to be aesthetically identical to old elves. The only actual survivors are Teclis, Tyrion, Malerion and Morathi. The traditional relationships between the different types of elves no longer exist at all.
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>>62442175
Yes, anon but there are different circles of hell.
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>>62442203
Can't tell you and they're not going to hold them out of the book because they lose sales. Should they have just admitted they didn't know? Sure. Was it malicious, no.
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>>62442203
That daemons codex is a bad fucking codex. Out of 4 types of daemon only nurgle resembles anything like a playable army and they still get tabled by literally anything.
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*blocks your path*
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>>62442250

That's what capitalist sympathisers say.
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Anyone know where to get properly scaled and spooky pumpkins and jack-o-lanterns? I'm feeling festive and wanted to base some of my ghosts and skeletons with 'em
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>>62442315
Unlikely as I've already killed the priest animating him.
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>>62442336
That's why he's blocking it, do you think he's moving out of the way anytime soon?
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>>62442349
Oh then I just tip him over and carry on.
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>>62442261
Not hold Slaanesh Daemons out of the book, just delay the book.
Instead they may as well have released a codex called "Nurgle Daemons" with 3 pages dedicated to Nurgle giving the middle finger to the other 3 gods. The only one besides Nurgle who didn't get shafted by that codex was Tzeentch and that's because psychic/magic is strong, and even with Nurgle as strongest a mono-Nurgle Daemons army is still weak because 40k balance is awful.
They would be infinitely better off leaving Daemons as an index army for Chaos armies to summon and saving the whole codex for after they released Wrath and Rapture, or even as part of Wrath and Rapture, because as it is all the codex did was piss people off.
Where even are the 40k rules for Slaanesh Daemons going to go? They basically just ripped off any Slaanesh Daemon players who bought the codex hoping for their barely playable index army to get some buffs.
>>62442306
Except for Grey Knights, the anti-Daemon army is the worst army on the table and Daemons have a better anti-GK stratagem than any anti-Daemon ability GK can bring to the table.
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>>62442376
Holding the book costs sales - GW is a publicly traded company and are legally required to act like sociopaths.
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>>62442400
Releasing the book probably costs them even more in future sales though.
Customer loyalty is important to prolonged business.
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>>62442440
They're winning on that front right now. You might be upset but by and large they're winning back their customers.
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>>62441263
Does anyone know how Seraphon and High Elves synergize?
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So the TCG announced their new set, Olynder is on the packs.
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>>62442461
True enough, but to be fair a lot of that is more customer autism and a lack of any real competition.
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So what are your hopes for the next AoS Warhammer Quest?
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>>62442589
for one of the characters to be a wanderer
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>>62442589
New stormcast hero will be mandatory, odds are a nighthaunt one will be added in it. Either a Khorne or Nurgle hero for the chaos rep. Maybe a Sylvaneth, DoK or Deepkin hero to fill out the standard roster.
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>>62442467
They mostly don't. Only things that affect the Order keyword are going to benefit generic High Elves. So that's like Kroak's command ability and the curse of fates from the skink starseer.
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>>62442974
I see, what about the other way around, like do Sauruses fill any infantry gaps in the High Elf roster?
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Do you guys think the armor for Dark Eldar units would be a good starting point to kit bash/convert Vampire units?
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>>62443021
I suppose, but so does basically any universal battleline unit.
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>>62441131
Nothing currently. I ordered AoS stuff yesterday if that counts. My first army is 90& assembled, although I now have some starter stuff to build. Painting starts soon and when it's not almost eleven at night.
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>>62441131
I finished a Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear who will probably never be used because he sucks.
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>>62443041
Vampire units, not really. They have great heads though and some weapons to be used
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>>62443132
Chaos lord for Murader basrd army?
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>>62443021
>elf fag
>not using huge units of glade guard
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>>62443209
Redpill me on Glade Guard, and convince me why I shouldn't put Lizardbois in their place.
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NEW!!!
>>62443273
>>62443273
>>62443273
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>>62443267
>one per game 30 -3 rend shots hitting on 3+
>none of their shit is dependent on faction keywords
>can use Nomad Prince command ability for re-roll hit rolls of 1
>waywatcher command ability gives your wanderer-blob -1 to hit penalty for attacking units
>still actually elves, not lizards
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I like the look of Wanders + Sylvaneth.

Would that combination work out? Or would I be lacking in some areas?
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>>62443447
Sylvaneth are already good at everything. Really you'd just be making Wanderers less bad, and they're honestly not that bad for legacy crap.
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>>62438930
no way, this is my dude
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>tfw no big tiddie wanderer gf





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