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>>62903425What would you call that weapon, a club?
>>62903716it's clearly a shillelagh
>>62902786I usually only take 3 hero's at 750
>>62904407That muh boi is a staff.
>>62903878Celeborn, Rumil, and Haldir would be pretty solid at 750. The trio would come out to 320 or so once you've purchased equipment, which leaves enough to buy full warbands for all three.Warband 1 (315)>Celeborn (Heavy Armor, Shield, Elven Blade)>Galadhrim Warriors (Shield, Spear) x15Warband 2 (230)>Haldir (Elven Cloak, Bow)>Wood Elf Warrior (Bow) x10>Wood Elf Sentinel x2 Warband 3 (205)>Rumil >Galadhrim Warrior (Shield) x12
>>62904681>>62904407I know, I just wanted to use the pic. also undying is imo the best non-WK Nazgul, dark marshal is pretty good but if you get kardush and another caster with him it's just near endless will
What's everyone working on?
>>62905131Going to bed now. To lazy to get up but;ISENGARD
>>62905014Drop the sentinels for a banner and another archer.
>be born one of the highest elves>get to be part of first age /noldor/ but don't even kinslay>become one of the head captains of gondolin because lmao>evacuate everyone when they fuck up the secret>die fighting off fucking balrogs and have an eagle personally come to bring my body to be buried>bro out with god for a while>when I get bored come back to life>BTFO the witch-king and doom him to die a meme death with magic prophesy powers lmao>then destroy angmar because why not>protect Rivendell and become the most esteemed elvish warrior in middle-earth>use priceless, irreplaceable gems as random roadside tokens>fight off the greatest servants of evil nonchalantly, they're too afrain to even fight unless they have a nine-to-one numbers advantage>still win tho lmao>stop those fags from killing some midgets and take part in the most important, secretive counsel of the third age >plan on how to destory all evil by sending an elite team to cast the ring of power into mt doom>don't even go cause I'll dab on everyone else and be too good >don't even help in any of the tantamount fights of the war of the ring cause it's just boringbased glorfindel, how will nazgul ever recover
>>62905014>50 points spent on sentinelsnooooooooreplace both of them with wood elf archers, trade haldir's cloak for heavy armor, give one of celeborn's warriors a banner
>>62905436what priceless stones
>>62905837Aragorn figured out that Glorfindel was in town when he found some unique elf-synthesized gemstones in the dirt. Later Glorfindel admitted to leaving them behind on purpose.
>>62906987He didn't know it was Glorfindel specifically and he didn't even know if it was a friendly sign or if it meant that him and the hobbits were in even more danger than they already were.
Me and my group want to jump back in Lotr with Battle companie. Any thought or recommandation on the official book or rather fan rules like this one?https://www.dchobbitleague.com/uploads/4/5/9/3/45938835/battle-companies-2016-1.pdf
>>62905121Knight of umbar is a nice way of countering op heroes
>>62905436>be part of the fellowship initially>author of my story decides Legolas literally who will take my place instead KEKED
>>62907399Until you encounter>Generic Captain>3 BezerkersDed
>>62907247My buddy and I have been enjoying the official rules. The most important thing is that if there is only two of you, you'll want to have more than one Company each to play, even if you have to proxy, so that your not just smashing the same dozen dudes against each other.There is also some slight weirdness with the new rule set, since they changed what heroic actions are default. We haven't really come up with a good solution to that.
>>62905131Shire and lake town.
>>62905436Glorfindel is just some random elf who lied about being reincarnated and everyone believed him, so much so that the nazgul actually suck against him.He is a elf placebo.
Hey /MESBG/Has anyone had any multiplayer games how do they work out?
>>62911045Sauron isn’t OP-Also, what point level are they playing at?>>62910079They’re a lot of fun, 2 300pt-350pt armies or something like that allow for a nice variety of models and tactics to go into the game, and of course more friends is more fun.
>>62911235Those first two Sauron matches were just bad luck for his opponents. The player using Radagast's Alliance seems to have had gotten shit on by his dice; he went all in on a big charge with his eagles and subsequently lost all his combats. Fog of War is just a bad scenario for Rohan in a Barad-dûr match up. Rohirrim will probably want to evade Sauron while they harry the rest of his army, but it's hard to commit when you don't know what your opponent's objectives are.
>>62911235750. It's says at the beginning of the article.
>>62905131Orcs.It's always orcs.
Wasn't somebody looking for ideas for trees last thread?Not sure what exactly it is, but the crow here is made of some kind of plant material.
>>62911818Also, doesn't Radagast have to be your leader? That's basically an auto-lose in lords of battle.
>>62913462oooh i like this a lot.
>>62914682iirc, gwaihir is a hero of legend which means he can (and should) be your leader in 90% of scenarios
Is having the Army of the Dead frowned upon?
>>62915793Not really, no. Some lists struggle against D8 and Blades of the Dead, but you only have three profiles and severely limited options for alliances. You'll also be outnumbered by anything besides a monster mash or wraith spam, and only have a single Might point until you can afford Aragorn. It's a niche list for sure, but running it isn't a WAAC move that people will resent. >>62915660Gwaihir is indeed a hero of legend.
>>62915793Not at all.
>>62915793Just to jump in and agree with everyone else, no. The list isn't bad, but it has some incredibly severe limitations until you start getting into the really large games. No one's gonna have it out for you just because you main Dunharrow.
>>62913462I was yes. I love melón tress. Very cool.
>>62915793No. why would it be?
>>62917204Mellyrn trees. Mellon is the word for friend.
>>62915793No, adding to it would make you closer to a WAACfag than the opposite.not by much really anyway.the dead are a tool, not really a complete army, in fact i think they used to be a part of the fiefdoms way back and there they made sense as a tool in a tool kit rather than a lone hammer
>>62915954>Gwaihir is indeed a hero of legend.I want him so bad.
>>62919993Yeah, he is probably my next fw purchase
>>62919382Thanks my water mellonI don't speak elvish.
How many points is Sauron riding a Smaug?
>>62920449Smaug is 750 or 700sauron is 400? (idk)He can't ride Smaug so the answer is 0.The books are in the OP man.
>>62920360It's never too late to learn!
>>62920832I love LOTR but I only passed HS Foriegn language because my teacher liked me.I got lucky and took "sustainability" and that counted as my Foriegn language in college.I don't want to learn; that being said I did realize after I had posted that I used the word for friend not tree and I felt like an idiot.Mai Govania (my spelling of the elvish phrase of greeting, what Aragorn says to Haldir at helms deep.)>Mae govannen
do y'all think sauron and thuringwethil banged?
>>62922868Now I do.
>>62922868>>62923041Probably gets mighty lonely on the Isle of Werewolves
>>62922868Yeah. I would. BTGG.
>>62923123>specifically and repeatedly mentions that Sauron has werewolves in his service>we never see a werewolf and don't have rules for itwhy does it hurt bros
>>62923615I thought sauron was a werewolf
>>62911818I think it was bad luck in the match ups more so than the scenarios or dice. Sauron + orc spam will crush most all hero/monster lists, which is what both of those were.The Rohan army was all heroes. It had no chance vs a Sauron list, because he can fight all of those heroes together and win pretty easily.The eagles match up is a similar situation, but not quite as bad. Eagles surrounding Sauron with Gwaihir calling a heroic strike would be able to take down Sauron pretty quickly, but monsters have a rough time bringing down hordes, so with the rest of the list being orc spam, Sauron can take down the eagles 1 at a time, and the orcs are likely to take down the rest. 40 or so orcs aren't going down quickly to Beorn, Gwaihir, and 3 eagles. Radaghast on foot doesn't really make sense to bring for that army, and does nothing vs Sauron + orc spam. Hard to bring down some ~48 orcs with that when sauron is going around killing an eagle every turn and the rest are surrounded in combat.Also... it seems the tournament was actually 800 points, because all the lists in the pictures are 775-800 points. The eagles list is 800 exactly.
>>62921348>I don't want to learnThat's too bad. Getting people to learn about unfamiliar things is, I feel, a piece of Tolkien's legacy. Fucking around with Sindarin in highschool is what got me into Esperanto, which in turn got me into Latin, which in turn encouraged me to study Cyrillic, and it goes on from there.
>>62924247no, he just took the form of one in hopes that it would allow him to slay huanmuch like how big tiddy thuringwethil wasn't actually a vampire, she just routinely assumed the shape of one
>>62910079They work out okay, like 2 big armies composed of smaller factions. The biggest suckers we encountere are 3 way games, because they are hard to get working without 2 players ganging up on the third, and you have to adjus the rules for 3 sided combats, priority, and such.
>>62910079You do this twice for 50 crossbow shots and rape anything two times.
>>62905131Just got the pellenor box set. >gonna be an interesting weekend
>>62928297>4 player game when everyone uses this armyRide to ruin and the world's ending.
>>62928297This army would have owned the rookie lists at >>62911045
If you had the resources to build any game board based off of the LOTR movies, books or games. What would you choose?Ithillien? The Shire? Mordor?
>>62928374I would build some kind of a huge ass city board. Probably a 28mm scale Minas Tirith would be my choice, although I also like the aesthetics of Edoras.
>>62928330We need a good aligned 750p meme army for that competition.I'll start working on it
>>62928412There's a YouTube channel with a HUGE Osciliath board. Plus a pretty cool edoras board.Personally I'd like a map in the wilds of the north with maybe a small set of cottages and some anor ruins
>>62928412In white dwarf 301 there is an article about the staff of a Paris GW shop building a minas tirith board. Check the minis on the walls and the statues at the gate, and wonder at the size.
>>62928374All of the above. So many amazing locations in middle Earth. But I think my top choice would be dale and the lonely mountain.
>>62928425What kind of good army could possibly match the might of the crossbow uruks?
>>62929428Just max out on Hobbits. Job done.
>>62929428Elf Cloak bow Elfs
>finally break out the mumak for the first time in the new edition>go all out: mahud, sigils, tusk weapons, etc>opponent brings tom bombadil oh
>>62929834Isn't the Elephant fround upon generally?
>>62929834Fucking hell, haha.
>>62929932I don't know, maybe. But I'm gonna be a hard sell on that from now on given how useful one is against a huge blob of mans with fuckadil in the middle.
>>62929428anyone with blinding light, elf cloak armies, and fully committed Rohan charges could all do pretty well. Really anyone that can hit melee fast enough or find a way to beat them in skirmishing have the advantage.They hit strong, but are completely immobile as long as they're putting out damage. Board positioning can turn a very quick and decisive advantage.
>>62929932Not really, unless you squeeze one into an 500pt list. The mumak is not OP at all, unless the enemy is really unprepared for it.
>>62929834How did bombadil stopped your mumak from trampling the rest of his army?
>>62930224>Blinding lightShoot anything that isnt in the radius, the focus fire on the caster>Elf cloak armiesMust be near terrain>Rohan chargeStop it with the orcs. Tangle up in combat and then shoot both with c r o s s b o w s. Works particularly well for killing heroes.
>>62930308All he had to do was bunch all his shit around Bombadil in a tight formation. The moment the mumak comes into contact with him, it's over. The trample ends immediately if it passes over Bombadil, it can't trample at all if he charges it first, and it automatically loses the ensuing combat regardless. The mumak's absurdly huge base size makes evading a small-based model nearly impossible short of going straight backwards. Things might have gone differently if we were playing a scenario that required him to break up his army into relatively even contingents but, well, we weren't.
How would you guys compare these two armies?Had to work with what was in the starter box plus some stuff I got for myself.AngmarBuhrdur6 WargsBarrow WIght4 Orcs with shields3 Orcs with spearsvsRohanTheoden9 RIders
>>62930353Go win some tournaments. Until then your armchair generalship is unimpressive
>>62930727Bot equally shit
>>62930769>EqualAll I need to take from this. Thanks.
>>62930727Ignore >>62930769 they are fine. I feel rohan might have a slight advantage over angmar, but a lost priority roll can still mess them up.
>>62930353Galadriel with blinding light and a retinue of elf bowmen coud be a tough challenge to the army. Elves are suitably low in numbers to fit into the radius of th spell, and elf archers have always been a good counter to crossbows.
>>62930353>I have no proofs and I must duuuuhrr>must be neat terrainwhat ae you, american? an army should have no problem being "partially obsured", a few fences and the whole force is fucking invisiblerohan has far superior positioning power, the crossbows are stuck in one place as long as they're trying to shoot, they just outpace the orcs, or slaughter them outright, and then go for the killand elves with blinding light win a war of attrition against crossbows, nearly double the amound of wounds per turn. As >>62930734 says, we can theorize shit all day. prove it's as good as you say
>>62905131Building a castle to try out siege rules
>>62929428Iron hills dwarves with their ballista
Is her cheap cost worth it?
>>62933672Yes, especially as she has 2 attacks and 2 wounds in the new editon.
>>62933672I would hesitate to go for Theoden while she was still alive.
>>62929428Iron Hills with a ballista or 2 would prevent the crossbows from shooting, and you won't be able to match them in combat with regular orcs, especially with so few spears.High Elves w/ Cirdan is a good one; maybe allied with Lothlorien for Galadriel, so you have 2 blinding lights to cover the entire army. The orcs will be entirely useless much of the battle because of Wrath of Bruinen, and it can trade reasonably effectively in shooting with blinding light.Maybe swap lindir and Elrond and just horde out with cheap heroes. Maybe even Galadriel and a horde of Galadhrim and wood elves with Rumil and Haldir could do it.>>62933672Eh, I would go with Eomer, Theoden, Theodred, Gamling, and/or Erkenbrand first. I don't think you can really justify bringing her considering the 6 model warband and other heroes available.Maybe at certain points values, like 400 or so, where you can't really afford one of the stronger heroes, or after you have all of them already in a huge game.>>62934760I'd kill Theoden ASAP. She can't move more than 3" from where he died, so you take out 2 characters in one. The downside of that rule far outweighs the benefit.
>>62934812Wrath of Bruinen if Lindir + Elrond + Cirdan*
>>62933672Her cost invites comparison to a generic captain, and she usually comes out looking the worse of the two. She's S3 and maxes out at D5, which is pretty unimpressive. F5 and Heroic Strike are tempting, but I rarely feel as though it justifies including her. It's pretty rare that you can't shuffle around the 10-20 or so points to upgrade her to another named hero - and if your force is so small that you can't, being a minor hero is probably a deal breaker.
>>62935341I think the extra will/fate/fight is worth the loss of S/D, but its a crap shoot.I would take her with Theoden, probably not otherwise. Heroic strike and strength can be a big deal as well, especially as you can burn through might with Gamling.
>>62936490>especially as you can burn through might with GamlingI think the royal standard is the deciding factor wrt Eowyn. Her heroic actions are really great for such a cheap hero, so if you can get the free might she justifies her place in a list over another captain. If Theoden dies in a convenient spot, she also becomes an absolute murder machine.
Galadhrim and RohanDo they make a good army together?
>>62938743I too, am wondering this.
>>62938743Not really imo
>>62938743well you get human orks with elves It really matters on how much you want to ignore your army bonus for numbersand at that point why not just have gondor instead
>>62940148>you get human orks with elvesWat?
>>62923615pretty much because a) PJ thinks talking animals are dumb, b) they are only mentioned, never seen, in LOTR, and as a result, c) the rights to do anything with Silmarillion IP are secured against anything except books & pretty pictures, and it's considered a dark gray area of the legendarium
>>62940266warriors of rohan are mordor orcs with one point better shooting and courage.and i think the cheapest man model good has no?what i'm getting at is if you taking them as allies you taking them as mobs no?
>>62940148u fukin wotLorien and Rohan are historic allies, you don't have to lose out on any army bonus when you field them together. They compliment each other quite well; Lorien, unlike Rohan, has good spellcasters and elite infantry while Rohan, unlike Lorien, has affordable cavalry and cheap combat heroes. Even better, Lorien solves the biggest problem Rohan has: absolutely shit natural Fight values that are dependent on Theoden for getting better. In exchange, Lorien gets S4 warriors (!) and a fat fucking buff for Haldir.
>>62940426Eh i don't know good all that wellbut that was a part of my point that rohan is cheap as chips, particularly compared to elves
>>62940470Yeah, but dunno if I'd be taking foot Rohan anyways, Cheap or not, they're still pretty bad. I guess an argument could be made for Grimbold & Co., since they're still cheaper than elves, are S4, and can get F5 spear support.
How many riders of the dead would one need for a dead of durnharrow list?I have the king and banner and about 20 warriors with 20 more comming with the starter set and like 20 more of the OOP metals.But i like the looks of riders and would like some speed.
>>62928330>rookie listsI played back in the day and the game tended to matter more how you played.Is power creep really a thing plaguing LOTR now?
>>62940789You really should be smarter than listening to these idiots
>>62940751I'd say as man as you want but jesus they are expensive points and price wisei suggest 3-5 but i don't tend to use cav, they are tough and fast but not much different from your dead anyway, you're paying 9 points for that horse
>>62940789Nah, how you play is still generally more important. List is, and always has been a factor though. The game is well balanced, but it's never been perfectly balanced. There's a reason Rohan didn't take top spots in tournaments prior to the new rules.>>62940751Not a lot. Maybe 2 per warband at most. They're expensive.
>>62941963>There's a reason Rohan didn't take top spots in tournaments prior to the new rules.Time for a history lesson, Grima.The 2004 Grand Tournament and the 2006 Grand Tournament were won by Rohan lists fielded by the same player, Vesa Nenye. He decided to use different lists in 2005, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and won in 05, 07 and 08 but not 09. Interestingly enough, to unseat the reigning champion for five years running, Michal Molenda decided to use a mix of Rohan and Gondor with a majority of it being Rohan. I'd chalk that up as a Rohan victory in 2009 as well. The 2010 Grand Tournament 2nd place was an all Rohan list. Numerous other players fielding Rohirrim have placed in the top 10s in more recent years at Arda and NOVA, including a few Rohan/Gondor mixes coming in 2nd and 3rd.
>>62944114Wasn't 1st place for the 2017 Nova a Mordor list?
>>62944114Where is this? How's that tower called? Before rammas echor and the pelennor to the left ?
>>62941049>>62941963>>62943164Was thinking of picking up 12 of them to make a war of the ring unit.Sounds like that will be more then ill ever need for SBG level. $13 a pop is harsh but i like the minis so meh. its a christmas gift to myself.
>>62945487I could imagine busting out 12 of em at 1000 points, but probably not before that. Like others have said, you'll usually field a small pack of them at most, just to have the extra speed and hitting power if you need it.The Dead already struggle a lot with keeping their numbers up, so 23 point warriors are usually not what you're looking for.
>>62905131Lots of orcs and some dorfs
>>62929932Nobody has an issue with oliphaunts unless you're cramming one into a small game without warning your opponent, which is true of pretty much any 250+ point model.
>>62948133>dorfs and orcs
>>62944114Rohan OP plz nerf
Just getting in, is this rohan list too small for 500 points?Theoden with Armored Horse, Heavy Armor, Shield10 Royal Guard with HorsesTheodred with Horse, Shield11 Riders of Rohan
>>62950159Might get you outnumbered a lot. Theodred and Theoden would be the only ones really pushing stuff
Fuuuckkk Damn bat swarms picked up the objective and flew off. Need some cowardly bows in my list I guess.
>>62950299How much more I can add? My impression from reading these threads is that including Theoden is non negotiable. I guess if I replaced Theodred with Gamling, I could take two more royal guards. I don't know what else I could do short of taking infantry, which I'd love to avoid if possible.
>>62950453Why not cut theodred and royal guard for more troops
>>62940789>Is power creep really a thing plaguing LOTR now?It started creeping in during the later stages of the SBG. I wouldn't say it's all that different or worse now, though.
>>62950453you have to chunk more meat in, so your enemie has something to kill while you do the whole horse archer thing around him.
>>62950377bats are literally the gayest fucking thing on earth. having your fight value halved no questions is the dumbest shit, I've lost so many monsters and heroes because those faggots spooped around fucking ruins so many fighters. At least moria is a glass cannon enough that you can shoot them down before they hit combat
>>62950159This list is fine.You might find Eomer or Gamling w/ the banner better than Theodred, but not significantly.You also may want the Royal guard and riders split up ~half and half to each warband, rather than 1 warband of each.
>>62951344They're not that bad m8. Just take care of them at range. My problem was they are to fast for my all foot army and this was a one objective scenario.
>>62950978>>62951331The Royal Guard are only a point more than regular riders, so cutting them in favor of anything besides foot soldiers won't get me much. But maybe that's what I have to do. How about --Theoden with Armored Horse, Heavy Armor, Shield8 Royal Guard with Horses10 Riders of RohanGrimbold of Grimslade10 Helmingas with Shields
>>62952086Much better and more balanced, most people are used to fight infantry and will go for your meatshields before caring about those flimsy riders
>>62952086I'd stick with Theodred over Grimbold. If the infantry are just to boost numbers, there's no point in paying to make them S4, especially with the army bonus giving S4 to cav as is. Getting some throwing spears would likely be better anyway, as it lets your infantry kite against other infantry and/or gives you a chance to kill a target as you go in. And Theodred is way better than Grimbold. Grimbold being only d5 and being forced to use a 2h weapon is a bit too detrimental to his ability to fight, especially without access to a horse or spear support.
>>62952162>>62952367okay, third time's the charmTheoden with Armored Horse, Heavy Armor, Shield8 Royal Guard with Horses10 Riders of RohanGamling, Captain of Rohan12 Warriors of Rohan with ShieldsInfantry shieldwalls, cavalry smashes.
>>62952524Good, simple hammer and anvil
>>62952524Seems good. 32 models is a lot at 500, and you still have 18 cav and 6 might. I'd maybe consider dropping some bodies for some throwing spears, and maybe splitting up the cav and infantry so deployment is easier. It's hard to get 18 cav models within 6" of Theoden.
>>62952588After deployment do warbands matter? I'm currently running a horde of Uruk-Hai with generic heroes (GW restock when I have money plz) but I do have some Rohan and I was curious if I could even fit the riders around Theoden.
>>62952671No they can run of wherever they want afaik
Reading the fiefdoms because i want to dol amrothDoes my army bonus mean that all fiefdom models count as being within a banner if they are near the prince?same with farlong?So i could say have farlong baby sitting the men at arms for that reroll?
>>62952697Okay cool!>>62952524Here's my 500 point List2 Uruk-Hai Captains with Shield16 Uruk-Hai with Shield and Sword8 Uruk-Hai with PikesUruk-Hai Scout Captain with Orc Bow8x Uruk-Hai Scout with Bow.I think we'd have an interesting game.
>>62952781The shields and swords seem a bit upside down.
>>62952822What do you mean?
>>62952874eh shields and pikes I mean
>>62952994Oh sorry;I want more front line D6 troops. The pikes can do enough support with fewer #s.
>>62953926so as long as the prince is alive i never need a banner.GOOD SHIT my only regret is the dead aren't fiefdoms anymore
>>62951344>halves ur fight
>>62952781>16 Uruk-Hai with Shield and Sword>8 Uruk-Hai with PikesShould be 8 w/ Shield, 16 w/ PikeOr 16 w/ Pike, 8 w/ Crossbow
>>62956769second from the bottom is the cutest, this matter is not up for debate
Hows this for a 500 point army?>Warband - Uruk-Hai Captain w/ Two-Handed Weapon>>217 pts1x Uruk-Hai w/ Pike and Banner7x Uruk-Hai w/ Pike4x Uruk-Hai w/ Crossbow>Warband - Uruk-Hai Shaman w/ Armour>>145 pts6x Uruk-Hai Berserker>Warband - Uruk-Hai Scout Captain w/ Bow>>135 pts1x Uruk-Hai Drummer5x Uruk-Hai Scout w/ Shield6x Uruk-Hai Scout w/ Uruk-Hai Bow>Total: 497 pts, 33 models
>>62957841>Uruk-Hai Shaman w/ ArmourShamen are independent heroes, they can't take a warband.>1x Uruk-Hai DrummerHeroes can't be part of a Warband
>>62957902Shaman are minor heroes.Independent heroes CAN be part of another hero's warband.
>>62958276>Independent heroes CAN be part of another hero's warband.Not him, but is there actually any point to doing this?Given that it just means you can't take another Warrior.
just saw this on the main page. Never got into Warhammer type collectibles or tabletop games, but I fucking love Lord of the Rings and love strategy games. Can you guys give me quick spoonfeeding on these questions?>how much time is spent on prep? Do all figurines have to be hand painted on your own?>how easy is it to find other players? Do people play online with eachother? (like you guys?)>will I be ok with just a starter set? Or will I not really be able to find players until I buy a lot of shit?>is playing the game fun?
>>62958379As much as you want. Yes. Yes. Yes
>>62958379>>how much time is spent on prep?pre game or like prep for a game?it's a hobby so before the game there's painting and assembly, handling mold lines but what you put in is what you get out, you can grey tide.>Do all figurines have to be hand painted on your own?yep, it's uncoloured plastic.>how easy is it to find other players?depends on your location.its in ever GW store so you have a leg up, likely your city has a facebook for this sort of thing but we are more niche that 40k and others.>Do people play online with eachother? (like you guys?)I'll check if Table Top Simulator has any models for it but yeah i don't know.>will I be ok with just a starter set?yeah, reasonably.I mean the starter is better if you play evil than good from what i can see.to tie into your question of if this is fun, yeah and i think smaller point games work better than larger ones. and what Pfields is about 600 points per army?>Or will I not really be able to find players until I buy a lot of shit?Most folks will throw down with small armies particularly with new players.>>is playing the game fun?give it a spin. I like it but some don't like certain mechanics
>>62957841>1x Uruk-Hai w/ Pike and BannerWait, can you use them together now?
>>62905436>get replaced by a thot in the movie adaptionKEK
>>62920449>riding a SmaugSmaug is a unique character, not a mount type
>>62958329You have to put them in a warband. They changed it with the new edition.
>>62959061Incorrect, unless the Megas are out of date.
Rate my Iron Hills, anons.>Iron Hills Captain w/ Spear and Shield>> 290 pts9x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Spear and Shield3x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Crossbow>Iron Hills Captain w/ War Goat>> 310 pts6x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Mattock6x Iron Hills Goat Rider w/ Spear
>>62959061this anon's right, grabbed my physical copy>>62959119unless it's Faq'd then yeah you're rightit should be said some independents do have to be included as a result of their rulesGrima and the heralds for one.At least this makes the hobbits """MORE""" playable
>>62959186>no Twirley Whirleys
>>62959119>>62959199>they may not lead troops>they may not be the armies leaderMay is used to mean they are required to or required not to. So:>They may, however, be included in another Hero's warbandMeans they're required to be included in it.
>>62959186Well it's expensiveyou don't have dainYou've got 26 models in 600 points and to be fair they aren't all that tougher compared to other dwarf armies but you do have spearsall in all I'm feeling a 7 out of 10
>>62959186>>62959250I think that's a 500 point list and anon mistyped, because the points are wrong.Should be:12x12+80=224 for the first warband6x11+6x20+90=276 for the second warband
>>62959186>>62959250Shit, I fucked up the points.This anon is right >>62959279, it's a 500 point list.
>>62959228contradicts page 130which states that you can't have more than one hero in a warband.It suggests to me the may is not used as an ought but an allowance
>>62959292Then that means they're -allowed not- to take a warband and -allowed not- to be the armies leader.Which is clearly wrong
>>62959186>>62959289Good list for 500 points.I'd work on expanding it to 750 by replacing the Goat Captain with Dain and adding in a banner and Chariot.
>>62959307i think then it comes down to whether or not you read being unable to lead followers into battle as being unable to be a warband of maximum 0 followers that's what it comes down to.All of this could have been solved by writing MUST rather than MAY. Perhaps this is a british thing.
>>62959362>All of this could have been solved by writing MUST rather than MAY. Perhaps this is a british thing.Or maybe it could be solved by using RAI instead of lawyering up.
>>62959372>Or maybe it could be solved by using RAI instead of lawyering up.Don't know how you mean by this.
>>62959400I mean using the obvious way it's been intended (can't take a warband or be leader, but can join a warband). Instead of being a rules lawyer like the person you replied to was.
>>62958329Only if you want to guarantee that the drummer is with that warband on deployment. Ex: You're playing one of the scenarios where nothing starts on the board and warbands randomly enter the board from table edges. With the drummer on its own, it could be forced to come on the opposite side of the board from the rest of the army.>>62959228"May" refers to a thing being permitted/allowed."May not" = is/are not permitted to."They may" = they are permitted to.>They may, however, be included in another Hero's warband= They are allowed/permitted to be included in another hero's warband.There is nothing in this statement that would make putting independent heroes in warbands a requirement.> they may not lead troops= They are not permitted/allowed to lead troops.>>62959372Or proper reading comprehension and knowing what words mean. There's nothing ambiguous about how it is written.
>>62959420>"May" refers to a thing being permitted/allowed.>"May not" = is/are not permitted to.>"They may" = they are permitted to.>>They may, however, be included in another Hero's warband>= They are allowed/permitted to be included in another hero's warband.>There is nothing in this statement that would make putting independent heroes in warbands a requirement.>> they may not lead troops>= They are not permitted/allowed to lead troops.Citation Needed
>>62929428Armies that say 'fuck the bow limit' like Harad
>>62929834>>62930172>opponent brings tom bombadilBombadil should not be in this game, for fucks sakes.Or at least be an Impossible Ally.
>>62929834>>62930172>>62959469Serves you right for bringing an Elephant
>>62959426Google? It's not hard to verify the definition of a word.may1/mā/Submitverb1.expressing possibility."that may be true"2.expressing permission."you may use a sling if you wish"In this context, it's clearly expressing permission.
>>62959483>engaging the troll
>>62933672>minor hero>shit if Theoden diesEw
>>62940426>Lorien and Rohan are historic alliesWhy the fuck is this a thing?They literally never interacted in the story.
>>62959504GW never read the books, just watched the movies
>>62959415Yeah i don't know if it's intended, even in the phrasing i thought, they're independent they can just be independent then again most of them are mooks or hobbitsBut then you have cases like shelob or bombadilThe former makes it seem optional: "Shelob may never be taken as part of another model's warband. " and how do you shove bombadil/goldberry in a list?Same with Grima BUTin the example armies they have that fool of a took as a part of warbands and not on their own which suggest this is how it's supposed to be shits fucked my dude
>>62959504i was finding that weird too but i might be a bit salty>Dead cannot ally with the fiefdoms or rohan.it's fucking lame
>>62959328Can't fit a chariot in with Dain and that army.I'd expand to:>Iron Hills Captain w/ Spear and Shield>> 249 pts1x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Spear, Shield and Banner8x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Spear and Shield3x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Crossbow>Dain Ironfoot w/ Pig>> 396 pts6x Iron Hills Dwarf w/ Mattock5x Iron Hills Goat Rider w/ Spear1x Iron Hills Goat Rider w/ Spear and Banner>Iron Hills Ballista w/ Superior Construction>>105 pts
>>62959527>Dead cannot ally with the fiefdomsFfs GW, they were -part- of the Fiefdoms list not long ago
>>62959687nopebut they can ally with the rangersand the rangers are not historic with gondor for some fucking reasonbut to be fair thanks to pellanor: >rohan, gondor, the fiefdoms, the fellowship, the rangers, the dead would all be historic allies
>>62959761Which they should be.And then there's the fact that Arnor isn't Historical Allies with Gondor for some stupid reason. Despite the fact that Rohan w/ Eorl -is-.
>>62959774>And then there's the fact that Arnor isn't Historical Allies with Gondor for some stupid reason. Despite the fact that Rohan w/ Eorl -is-.Arnor in general is fucked atm.I'd give it the following at least.- Knights of Arnor- Ranger of the North as a Hero of Fortitude (and on this note, there needs to be a generic ranger captain for Gondor and Co as well)
>>62959782>Arnor in general is fucked atm.Which is why you run them as Gondor
Any Gondor players who can give tips on this army?>Faramir's Warband - 273 ptsFaramir w/ Heavy Armour, Armoured Horse, Lance and Shield12x Knights of Minas Tirith w/ Shields + 1 Banner>Captain's Warband - 188 ptsCaptain of Minas Tirith w/ Shield12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner>Knight's Warband - 193 ptsKnight of the White Tower12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner>Duinhir's Warband - 198 ptsDuinhir12x Ranger of Blackroot Vale w/ Spears + 1 War Horn>Avenger Bolt Thrower - 148 ptsEngineer Captain5x CrewSwift Reload>Total - 1000 pts
>>62960443Personally, I'd drop the War Horn and Engineer Captain for another Bolt Thrower w/ Swift Reload
>>62960443>12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner>Taking a banner on every soldier
>>62960519>>12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner>w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner>1 Banner
>>62958619>>62958379Tabletop simulator has models and boards for it, and I believe there are discord(s) channels for it, too.
>>62960443Illegal list, unfortunately. Duinhir+friends is part of Fiefdoms, and thus only 1/3 of them can be archers. Change them to Gondor rangers and you're good.
>>62960649Oh ffs, forgot about that.I was really taking them for the war horn, so I'll just make them Gondor Ranger's w/ Madril
So how tiny of a game would you guys say is fun? Like how many pts?I wanna build a couple of teams starting with the ones in the Pelennor Fields set for my group. I don't necessarily wanna start with the minimum possible to play, but just what a tiny fun amount would be.
>>62960677You can easily make 300/400 point lists out of two boxes of dudes, and the games are fun. I've also done Battle Company games, which are less than 200 and still a good time.
>>62960664How's this look?>Faramir's Warband - 268 ptsFaramir w/ Heavy Armour, Horse, Lance and Shield12x Knights of Minas Tirith w/ Shields + 1 Banner>Captain's Warband - 218 ptsCaptain of Minas Tirith w/ Shield12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner and 1 War Horn>Knight's Warband - 223 ptsKnight of the White Tower12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner and 1 War Horn>Madril's Warband - 163 ptsMadril12x Ranger of Gondor w/ Spear>Avenger Bolt Thrower - 148 ptsEngineer Captain5x Crew>Total - 1000 pts
>>62960769Why 2 War Horns?
>>62960784Because I'll have them in melee now instead of range, so it's to avoid having my only Hornist being buttfucked.
>>62960769Seems like more spears than you need - you could swap 12 for swords and upgrade some troops to citadel guard.
>>62960821I tend to just give everyone spears, given I've found it makes it less challenging to work out who needs to support who.
>>62960832>given I've found it makes it less challenging to work out who needs to support who.If you're such a brainlet that you can't manage this, you should play another game.
>>62960821Give he's running Faramir, he should make 6 in each Warband into Osgiliath Vets w/ Sword and Shield.
>>62960854You've never even played a game.The congo line bullshit that can arise with pike and spear support is amazing.>>62959504The battle of Helms DEE EEE EEEP. In the movie 500 Lothlorien/ Rivendell Elfs show up. It doesn't happen in the book. But the movies are much more popular than the books and GW is trying to make money.>>62957697Nah I need D6 frontline troops to be supported by the pikes
>>62960677Battle companies are under 100pt each, and are a great fun, and if you don't want to use the campaign rules, just make two 150-200pt warbands fight each other. The key is to use a variety of units, and lots of terrain.
>>62960805You get +1C from the gondor army bonus, so it's a bit overkill to get a backup warhorn.
>>62962655>>62960805no it's not, C5 Gondor is legit one of the best things you can spend on. Osgiliath vets with Boromir are fucking F5 C6, fountain court F5 fearless, and ffs just your basic troops with ranger spear support are rocking F4 C5. It's also really great for knights of MT, as they're one of your best damage options they really need the advantage to charging terrifying opponents. It's nice, gondor has durability and cheapness down to a science, this gives you some actual power to them in combat
>>62960769>Avenger Bolt Thrower - 148 pts>Engineer Captain>5x CrewI don't usually run siege weapons, but is there a good reason to do this rather than just taking two bolt throwers?
>>62963750No.2 bolt throwers with 1 extra crew would be better.>>62963445Or you can just bring some bodyguard units, which auto-pass courage checks anyway: Cit Guard and Fountain Court Guard. And veterans are already courage 4, so just the army bonus brings them to C5. You don't need more than that. Even if you're playing against mass morgul knights + wraiths or something. Knights at courage 4 will pass 70% of courage tests. At courage 3, it's ~58%; that's good enough that adding more bodies is generally better than adding more courage.A Warhorn is 30 points. That's 3-4 more models. Bringing 2 means dropping 6-8 models, which is definitely not worth it, especially with the new army bonus. 1 is probably fine if you're not running many bodyguard units or veterans at ~600+ points. Terror isn't that common, and breaking shouldn't be a huge issue.
>>62961309>The battle of Helms DEE EEE EEEPHORNSBURGH O R N S B U R G
>>62960769It looks fine besides the weird choice to take a souped-up avenger that costs almost three times as much as a default one. That said, you're going into 1000 point games with Faramir as your strongest hero, which is a little concerning. At that level, you can expect to start seeing bullshit like Balrogs, Gil-Galad, and maxed out Witch Kings with regularity. Your list seems incredibly reliant on the impact of your F3 KoMT for dealing with stuff like that. It wouldn't be too hard to move stuff around and find 80 points to upgrade Faramir to a similarly equipped Boromir, since you can easily shave 60 or so off the bolt thrower. Boromir's going to be able to throw down waaaaay more convincingly when he enters the fray, with six might to spend on heroics.
>>62960769>>62964438Allow me to point out that it would require 135 points to exchange Faramir for a mounted Elessar, a.k.a. the bolt thrower upgrades, 12 spears, and one of your banners.
>>62960769drop a horn because 2 is unnecessary, just go ahead and upgrade /fa/ramir to Aragorn, Gandalf, or Boromir because that'll do you miles more work. also 12 knights of MT is a little much, you may want to invest in some sturdy ground troops like GotFK instead
>>629637502 bolt throwers seem like overkill.
>>62965915Not at 1000 points. 148 points for a single bolt thrower is way more overkill, and not in the good way.
>>62966106this. 2 with some extra crew and/or swift reload will do signifigantly better work for a lot cheaper. better yet though, grab a fuckin trebuchet. with all the knights and heroes (though honestly at 1k level you oughta get gandalf, aragorn, or boromir) you can effectively fight monsters, what you should invest in is extra help tearing up battle lines.
how is this for angmar? too magic heavy? should I try to make space for a troll? I'm leaning towards numerical and magical superiority as a playstyle.Witch-King of Angmar (+3M, +4W, +2F, Fell Beast) - 1656 Orc Warriors (shields) - 366 Orc Warriors (spears) - 366 Orc Trackers - 30Barrow Wight - 503 Orc Warriors (shields) - 183 Orc Warriors (spears) - 183 Orc Trackers - 151 Orc Warrior (banner) - 30Barrow Wight - 503 Orc Warriors (shields) - 183 Orc Warriors (spears) - 183 Orc Trackers - 15
>>62966489Too magic heavy. You don't need two wights when you already have the witch king, those points end up wasted when you run out of targets to Paralyse. Just swap one for an orc captain with equipment.
>>62966489The troll is not necessary as you have a fell beast under the Witch King, but I would consider swapping a wight for an orc captain and the +2 might points.
Is it reasonable to just toss in a single Black numenorian with warhorn into a mordor list just for the moral buff?
>>62967326Seems like good idea imo.
>>62905436>>62907422>See the light of the Two Trees>Glow in shadow realm type shit because of it>Have anyone think you're interested in a sneak mission against dudes that can primarily see in shadow realm thing
>>62966489I'm gonna echo these guys:>>62966872>>62967120and say that three spellcasters are more than you need at 500. Most lists you face will have one, maybe two, heroes worth hitting with a transfix/paralyze. One Wight can take the lead and the WK will be back-up. That'll be enough until you hit 700. An Orc Captain w/ shield is 45 points. It'll bring two more might points to your list and free you up to buy the WK another point of will or fate.
>>62967326Depends on what you're running. It is if you're running lots of Orcs without shaman or if you're running warg riders, because the warhorn helps the Wargs stick around when the rider dies.
>>62969780Is this true?
For anyone who has this model is it possible to build both versions without the banner?
>>62960769Alright, taking everyone's suggestions, how does this look?>Boromir's Warband - 299 ptsBoromir w/ Shield, Horse and Banner of Minas Tirith6x Knights of Minas Tirith w/ Shield>Captain's Warband - 216 ptsCaptain of Minas Tirith w/ Shield12x Warriors of Minas Tirith w/ Spears and Shields + 1 Banner and War Horn>Knight's Warband - 168 ptsKnight of the White Tower12x Osgiliath Veterans w/ Shields>Madril's Warband - 163 ptsMadril12x Rangers of Gondor w/ Spears>Avenger Bolt Thrower - 77 pts3x Minas Tirith CrewSwift Reload>Avenger Bolt Thrower - 77 pts3x Minas Tirith CrewSwift Reload
>>62971002I don't believe so.But you *should* buy 2 packs, so you have 1 of both with banner and 1 of both without.Plus the banner is *amazing*, so should be taken.
>>62971002Should be pretty easy to clip off
>>62971015Can Vets take banner + horn?Because if so, drop the Ranger's spears and turn your remaining Warriors into Vets.
>>62960141Do people seriously do this?Run Arnor models as Gondor?
>>62970951>In Rivendell there live still some of his chief foes: the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power.From Gandalf. Frodo also sees Glorfindel as a white light, and it was my interpretation that that was because of coming from Valinor and seeing the Two Trees. I don't have a direct quote for that, but I can go find my copy of the books if you need it.
This guy..How is he??
Bros,Do you know of a site to purchase mesbg game counters? The cardboard ones are rubbish and i would like a set with dismount tokens too.
>>62971015That'd definitely work. If I were to make one change though, I'd drop the banner and change your osgiliath vets over to GotFK with shields, built-in spears lets them mobilize and support better, and with fearless they'll do excellent skirmishing work. Actually, drop the banner, turn 11 of the osgiliath vets into GotFK, and downgrade the last vet to a warrior and give him the horn instead and have him hide at the back. Then with those three extra points upgrade the second bolt thrower to the ultimate fuck-you to battle lines, based battlecry trebuchetNow you've got broromir, his knights, and a bolt thrower to dish out major pain to monsters and such, a fuckoff catapult and prestigous central formation to take down main lines, and a final compliment of GotFK to destroy midling-elite troops or fend off larger threats until the cavalry arrives. though maximum /devilish/ says keep a spare bolt thrower handy so's if you run into meme lists like nazgul spam you have a quicker solution but desu I prefer the trebuchet for monsters, it may not get as many hits in but wounding on 3+ and instakilling the target (escept for cavedweller beebop and sauron) is so fucking nice. if there's not chaff to interfere, having a 33% (42~ percent if you burn that free point of might) to fucking annihilate anything is beautiful
>>62973382very good. his rules make him absolutely insane getting into melee with men armies and MoB is incredibly useful for counteracting heroes. stick him with some warg riders and you will fuck up some dudeshowever, he is rather expensive and a fairly weak combatant for his cost, if he touches melee against a real heavyhitter expect him to get ded'ed pretty quick
>>62959523nothing is fucked. shelob more than proves that it's not a restriction but rather a permission, how are anons this absurdly ... either it's being obtuse or being incapable of rational thought
>>62961309>movies more popular than the booksummm wut?
>>62973678So he is a damn good infantry killer but put him up against characters he is f'ed..Kinda film style aestetics like that, even unintentional, is what i love seeing in this game.Got named by some named character, same in tabletop..
>>62973496I would also be interested
>>62973703>how are anons this absurdly ... either it's being obtuse or being incapable of rational thoughtwith me I think it's obtuse, i am taking a fine comb to the wording also intuitively i find it stupid that they are titled "independent heroes" and must be a warband.but yeah with the example armies i thought that would be a reasonable clincherand in retrospect it doesn't make sense for them to write the rule if it was optional
>>62973720MEG most people can't read just like you.Gross sales of the Lord of the Rings movies~ 2.3 billion. Devide that by ~10$ ticket. At least 230 million people have seen the movies in theater.Book Sales: 150 million copies.
>>62976019Good thing the movies are great
>>62973720>>62974953noI've seen it bandied about that in the fellowship and onwards tolkien has a very dry writing style.(I can't say this about the hobbit because it has a very childlike attitude, like watching a ghibli movie )That and it's a very detached series, very focused on world building and damn does he do a good job of it last time i checked.I found it to be something of a slog to get through it because there's so much of the damn thing.
>>62976019You're being generous with that estimate. Assuming that not a single person decided to see the movies at least twice in theater is a little disingenuous. But for arguments sake, let's go with your estimate of 230 million people.Movie tickets are one time use. Books, on the other hand, are frequently read by more than one person. It's not uncommon to find copies of LotR that have been around since the 70s and 80s which have changed hands not just privately but have been bought and sold several times through several different book stores. For example, my current copy of the Fellowship has been stamped by two separate used book merchants before coming into my possession. Seeing as how there's no way to keep track of something like that, I'll try to keep my estimates fair. Let's just assume that 50% of all the copies sold thus far have never left their original owners hands. Let's say the other half have been traded or gifted to just one other person beyond the original sale. That alone would bump the audience of the books up to 225 million readers - and that's with a ridiculously conservative estimate.
So how are Good vs Good armies and Evil vs Evil armies?We definitely want to eventually have some Elves vs Humans conflicts, and some Orcs rising to power conflicts.
>>62976959>225 million readersSo still less than the movies, gotcha.
>>62977029It's probably closer to ~500+ million readers over the span of many decades.
>>62977054>citation desperately needed
>>62977098Feel free to cite your source that says each ticket was purchased by a unique individual too.
>>62977167Common sense would dictate that people watch movies they like more than one time while books get bought, read and sold thereafter.
>>62977184>implying Movie tickets don't get sold on websites like Ebay.
This is a retarded argument.
>>62934760I love how the key to playing Rohan is to have your heroes die in the right order.
Listening to the trilogy now, it's strange how much of the smaller things I've forgotten since last I've read them, and only watched the movies for a while. Like the fact that gollum is a baby-eating cannibal.
>>62976959https://www.statista.com/statistics/608316/box-office-revenue-lord-of-the-rings-trilogy/Sauce. Also this is just ticket sales.Not rentals, not DVDs, not Amazon digital downloads.
>>62977848If I remember correctly, it's more of a hint than an actual description, something like creeping to a house with a cradle.
>>62971002I don't have it myself, but I recall that it has a separate lance arm too.
>>62973496>>62974843Unreleasedminiatures has some plastic ones.
>>62979936The woodsmen of Mirkwood talking of a 'ghost' that empties nests, takes small animals and empties cradles.
>>62980190Where’s this? From fellowship? That’s pretty neato, there’so much in the text we forget it’s astoundingI just reread the hobbit and forgot how absolutely maximum /comfy/ it is
>>62960884Then he loses shieldwall
>>62977184>books get bought, read and sold thereafter.
>>62980589Yes, early on, when Gandalf talks to Frodo about how he came by the story of Gollum and the Ring after it slipped Isildur's finger. Haven't got a page ref since I'm going on audio. Just as comfy to be able to do it at work.
>>62980589Annnd: the actual quote, it's from chapter II:The Woodmen said that there was some new terror abroad, a ghost that drank blood. It climbed trees to find nests, it crept into holes to find the young; it slipped through windows to find cradles.
>>62977848>Like the fact that gollum is a baby-eating cannibal.Is it really cannibalism if they aren't hobbit babies?
>>62983168He really wants to eat Bilbo, though.
I really fancy Gwaihir and the Great Eagles. Probably combined with Lothlorien. Anyone have experience with the birds?
>>62976959He also ignores the fact that Libraries exist, though any form of in-home viewing could easily be more than one person. Basically, trying to compare which has more views/read throughs is stupid.
>>62983564Eagles are great, but they’re best when run solo. The +1S is a nice buff against S5/D5 models and lets you knock cave Trolls to the ground.Playing eagles is so fucking easy >charge cavalry>kill them all>charge monsters >kill them all>charge heroes >kill them all>charge warriors>kill them all>do not charge Sauron or balrog >hold objectives for the win If you can’t win with 6 eagles and gwaihir you deserve to lose at a lot more than just that
>>62984676>If you can’t win with 6 eagles and gwaihir you deserve to lose at a lot more than just thatThx. I will keep that in mind and order Gwaihir and 4 more eagles for my growing forces of good. I was gonna order him anyway since I'm a sucker for eagles in any game and his stats are really nice. I just hope he isn't to hard to put together. I have little experience with resin.
>>62983168If not cannibalism by definition, it's pretty close. I think eating any humanoid creature can fit into this moral greyzone. >but what about other intelligent beings, like a dragon or an eagle?
>>62984034But the movies are clearly more popular.
>>62986519How so? You've got maybe 60% of the data. You don't have DVD sale numbers, audiobook purchases, used purchases or lending numbers for either form of media, and you are questing at the number of tickets sold versus a hard number of books sold.That's not 'clearly' by any stretch. Hell, since you linked the revenue for the movies, I feel obligated to ask for a link on your figure of books sold just to double check that, even though I also think the movies reached more people.
>>62986848https://publishingperspectives.com/2010/09/top-25-bestselling-books-of-all-time/I mean we're in a general about a miniatures game where Rohan and Lothlorien are HISTORICAL ALLIES
>>62986848https://www.screendaily.com/lord-of-the-rings-breaks-uk-video-and-dvd-sales-record/4010094.article1.27 million units sold back in 2002
>>62986848>>62984034I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that between the options of a book series totaling some thousand-plus pages, no matter how famous, or a major blockbuster trilogy released in the early 21st century totaling some nine hours watchtime, the movies will be more famousfor every one of us that's seen the movies, read the books, all the other books related to it, researched to some degree the background lore even further, and then go on to collect, paint, and play a wargame of miniatures from that series, there's at least a hundred reddit-tier fags/normies that just saw the movies once, talked about "how they sooo loved it," and maybe throw the most generic reference from it when the occasion pops up. Remember, sadly most people stop reading recreationally past age 11 or twelve, and stop reading books entirely once out of school.
>>62984676They're not THAT good. You can't avoid all the enemy heroes, and you'll lose some priority rolls and/or heroic roll offs, and they'll get surrounded and brought down. Only 2 attacks off the charge isn't going to win enough fights.Combining with another faction is probably the right choice for a competitive list with eagles; the +1 strength on the charge isn't a huge deal, seeing as they're already S6. They can't use magic to pull out heroes like Fell beasts and don't have enough might to consistently get charges.
>>62987925Also Gwaihir can carry around the mirror of Galadriel and restore fate to 3 every turn if you ally Lothlorien.
>>62987941Really? That sounds hilarious.
>>62987925the mirror thing is a fun shtick, but they're still tough as nails- it takes at least 12 S3 attacks for a statistical chance of getting off even one wound, and even if a turn or even two goes south, just fly over them, then come back in numbers. eagles beat everyone for mobility and have no problem crossing the map and chasing down whatever prey they're after. If you can coordinate, you'll have 0 problem downing the big bads of the opposing force and once they're gone, and the skirmishers are gone, all they'll have left is a clump of troops that have no chance of even touching them unless they all group as one, and that'll lose hard for any objective games and just as well for most kill-centric games. Not only can you absolutely avoid all the enemy heroes, why the hell would you even want to when you can almost universally kill them in one sweep
>>62988990WHO SHOULD YOU ALLY WITH?
>>62991651nobody, 6 eagles and gwaihir for a 750 game is good enough for whatever you'll need
Don't kill me people, but is there a single line in the rules manual that says how big the table should be? I can't find it anywhere... what's the board size everyone is playing on?
>>62994967We play 700pts on 6x4It feels like the table is to big though.
>>62994967The recommendations I've heard is that 800 points is about when you should switch from 4x4 to 6x4. For battle companies I highly recommend that the first couple games be played on something smaller like 3x3, both so that you don't set up way too much terrain and because some of the scenarios get fucky when they're spread out and you only have 6 dudes.
>>62994967Less than 500, 3x3, more 4x4
>>62987103>Remember, sadly most people stop reading recreationally past age 11 or twelve, and stop reading books entirely once out of school.This! It was just like that around 10-15 years ago. About 50% of my classmates back then didn't own a single novel. All they ever read were books they had to read for school and even those most tried to skip with summaries found in the internet.