Okay you faggots, listen up.UR-025 looks like a Kastellan because Kastelans are the same thing as Men of Iron, except not sentient. Men of Iron and Legio Cybernetica robots are ALL pre-imperium robots, that's why they look similar. There's no indication that UR-025 altered his appearance beyond just bolting an Aquila on his chest. There's no indication that he altered his armor to look like a Kastelan's.I know some of you hate the fact that Men of Iron look like goofy 1950s Raygun Gothic tech, but for about 90% of 40k's publishing history, that's exactly what DAoT robots have been shown to look like, the biggest deviation from that norm was from a comic illustrator who just made shit up as he went.So stop claiming that he somehow made himself look like a 1950s scifi robot. Until we specifically read about it in the novelization, it's just bullshit.
>>62929288A bunch of those robots still looked based on some plans, kinda reminded me of the old crusaders, but with chainblade limbs instead of powerlimbs.
>>62929317yeah and if I'm not mistaken, those from the comic had been altered and repaired by the main computer over the course of millenia, hence the more ramshackle look
>>62929336>>62929288I keep hearing about the comic, care to give me sauce?
>>62929356Was part of a 40k compendium thingy.
>>62929460>>62929417>>62929384>>62929370>>62929362thanks man you're awesome. how many pages are there? don't want to interrupt anymore
>>62929472Sorry about taking a while, it can be annoying to figure out when timers stop >>62929477This is the last page I'm afraid!Still one of my favourite bits of 40k fiction. And UR does seem fun.
>>62929492thanks again, it is indeed an awesome piece. I love the grimdark ending, reminds me of better times.
>>629295204th edition wasn't a better timethe lore was a small fraction of what it is now, and most of it was just as lame, it just was presented in a classier, spookier way
>>62929288There's a blurb somewhere that states that Dreadnought parts are interchangeable with robot parts. So I guess that Dreads are perhaps modified robot chassis too.
>>62929288Meh sucks compared to spindle drone.
>>62929743Here's its big brother
>>62929288>Looks like a kastelanAre you retarded?Does any bipedal robot "look like a kastelan" to you?
>>62929288it uhdoesn't really look like a Kastelan other than being humanoid to be honest famalam
To be honest they look more like a Colossus to me, myself.
And this other robot design reminds me of those admech Sicarian Infiltrators.
>>62929691I mean...presentation's important too.
>>62933376I think you're on the money.
>>62933224>>62933291He means the shared retro-scifi design cues. Not that they're explicitly the same design.
>>62929288>So stop claiming that he somehow made himself look like a 1950s scifi robot. Until we specifically read about it in the novelization, it's just bullshit.AI's don't have bodies, anon. They do what they want and don't need no man.
>>62933572AIs have bodiesAIs aren't daemons, they're just things that computers can do.
>>62933572Men of Iron are "thinking machines"the corporeal aspect is crucial
>>62933616>>62933638Not in the same way that animals have bodies, an AI's corporeal form is only important for its ability to interact with the physical world, there is zero reason for it not to swap to a different one if it suits it's needs better.
>>62933703Although I think it's less moving, but more copying.Kinda like in Soma, if UR-025 wanted to be a spaceship, you'd end up with one in his original body, and one in the spaceship's cogitator.
>>62933703Here's the thing, thoughAnimals are bodiesAIs are things that computers (which are also bodies) do. they don't exist outside of the physical world.And the same holds true in 40k. AIs aren't warp reflections or someshit. A cogitator totally has a warp reflection but it's not the same thing as an AI.Therefore, there are big reasons for an AI not to "swap bodies":1- maybe it just can't. A computer that isn't programmed or designed to do that won't be able to do that no matter if it wants to or not.2- maybe it's too stupid to figure out what suits its needs. Computers aren't necessarily very smart.3- maybe nobody let it do that4- maybe they don't need to do that because they're already working together and don't need to control one anotherSo that's 4 reasons already. Some aren't very good, but they can all apply.
>>62933791Kinda like in real life you mean.
I always imagined the Men of Iron being wildly more advanced than anything the Imperium was capable of creating.Old technology is supposedly incredibly valuable, rare, and sought after, right?. Mostly because it's so advanced that the Imperium cannot reproduce it themselves. Why would the Men of Iron, the peak of Humanity's creation, look like normal ass robots in WH40k times?
>>62933861Well yes, but when you're dealing with a conciousness transfer, going for a piece of media they might be able to use as reference can sometimes be easier.
>>62933868Because normal ass robots are incredibly valuable, rare and sought after, and so advance that the Imperium cannot reproduce them themselves.
>>62933879oh sure. in 40k, though, cogitators have a warp reflection, so maybe, even if they can only copy their programming, they could potentially use sorcery to possess other computers. If they were powerful enough and managed to convince sorcerers to help them or something
>>62933868Because the writers have never conclusively decided if the time of the Men of Iron wasn't just pic related.
>>62933703Yeah well maybe it's like with necrons.They identify as "thinking machines", not as "artificial inteligences" and want to keep the body they have.besides, they should know that copying isn't the same thing as body hopping
>>62933868Because the normal ass robots are what's left over from the MoI.The Dark Age of Technology created most of what the Imperium uses.It's just that a lot of it's too old to be properly maintained, so they become relics.Robots weren't used on the battlefield, partially because their parts were compatible with Dreadnoughts, and so sometimes Techmarines would "borrow" robot parts to repair their dreads.Legio Cybernetica priests would have no qualms either in using parts from a ruined dreadnought to repair a robot. Even if it involves getting rid of that annoying fleshy bit.
>>62933941pretty sure it was more like in DuneON A DIFFERENT NOTE I'd like to point out that I recently re-read the 3rd edition Necron codex, and it strongly hints that Men of Iron were loosely based on necron constructs.I don't expect the Blackstone Fortress to react nicely to UR-025 if that's still canon.
>>62933868I imagine it varies based on the Men of Iron in question. Early models like UR-025 built, designed, and moved into newer, more advanced models.Weirdos like UR-025 just couldn't or wouldn't move out.
>>62933376Wow the Vorax design is old
>>62934019I'd say that only an AI with a very shaky understanding of identity and computers would be willing to copy itself and delete itself under the assumption that it would equate "moving out". A superstitious computer, if you will.
>>62933997Considering Humanity's technology is pulled from the Void Dragon it's highly likely. Iirc, the Men of Iron described in Gaunt's Ghosts and HH keep the same description.Old fluff had the Necrons very involved with human development until Big E imprisoned the Dragon.
>>62929288Are people actually complaining about the Raygun Gothic aesthetic? Are these people literal subhuman faggots?
>>62934028Yeah, some of the FW Robots are just based on the old robot designs from Rogue Trader.Look here >>62929317Vorax = CrusaderDomitar = ConquererCastellax = Castellan = Kastelan
>>62934136Well, that's disappointing.I now want a faction that's just raygun gothic.
>>62934159Isn't that basically the Admech's bag?
>>62934159Admech and necrons come close
>>62933997>pretty sure it was more like in DuneWell that's fitting since Dune fans can't agree on the details of the Butlerian Jihad either
>>62934108They want spiky Necrons instead, subhumans doesn't even begin to describe them
>>62929288If that immobile looking piece of shit is an existing relic of the most powerful civilisation in 40k lore then their writers are fucking out of touch and bless the hearts of anyone still hoping the lore will get gud again. Fucking lol that a retrofuturistic fallout 4 looking piece of junk that can't reach its own ass was running around like a race of Superman in the setting.
Weren’t there a race of robots running on human brains that had big hulking double brain guys that could rip marines in half?
>Kastelans are the same thing as Men of Iron, except not sentient.I don't know about 40k but it's heavily implied in a bunch of sources that Legio Cybernetica constructs run off nerve cells, not transistors. We can rig together a lattice of nerve cells right now, and I don't see why you couldn't set them up like any other neural network. Considering how Silicate Animus is treated in the fluff, I'm not sure if ANY microchips are in use in the Imperium.
>>62929492> Dat last lineI don't know why, but my dick has became diamonds.
>>62933791>>62933861>what is an ego-bridge>what is literally transferring and gradually replacing the hardware
>>62934319YOU are out of touch with how DaoT technology has always looked>>62934373pretty sure that was only on one world
>>62934254I suspect a lot of people were expecting something more like the Cyriss stuff from Warmachine. "Transcendent Robots."
>>62934397Pretty sure that stuff is explained in Rogue Trader, we'd have to check it out.in any case, there's no reason to suppose the MoI work differently
>>62934880death, but then again robots aren't aliveguess they could try that if they felt the need to
>>62934946I'd wager most people don't remember Warmachine well enough to be thinking of similarities.
>>62934946Well if some people have been retarded enough to want this, they haven't manifested it.Most of the time they post pictures of spiky necrons
>>>62927657>>>62929036>>>62929097>>>62929224>>>62929381>>>62929517>>>62931840It is surprisingly thematically appropriate that the Dark Age Of Technology looks like fifties scifi art.
>>62934936Nah, authors being inconsistent a handful of times before Nu-GW decided to aesthetic everything doesn't prove anything.It's revisionist history to say 80s and 90s GW left that period anything but .thankfully vagueBut hey enjoy your Fallout spinoff universe
>>62929520That's just pretty much a "I have no mouth and I must scream" copy pasta.
The Danger of a Man of Iron isn't it's body, but it's mind.It's a fully thinking fully aware AI with the ability to introduce itself to any technology it wishes.
>>62935512>the ability to introduce itself to any technology it wishes.That's scrapcode aka the technovirus. Completely differentthe men of iron are sentient robots that may or may not have been using viruses to take control of other robots.
>>62929288Nobody would blink an eye if he had a disintegrator instead of that bad assault cannon.
>>62935352anon have you ever actually looked at any 40k art? It was doing raygun gothic mashup before fallout was a dream in the spunk of some technerds dad.
>>62934184Nah ray gun gothic is very sleek the ad. Mech is clunky
>>62935635I can imagine a disintegration beam becomes quite conspicuous and difficult to maintain after 20,000 years.
Reminder that whatever is in the envelope is so crazy that GW thought reintroducing the men of iron was comparatively minor
>>62936073Many people have and remember when GW art looked a certain way because it was the 80s and their artists had a specific style, not because of the modern push for retrofuturism in their games.
>>62936152the last living old one ? An entire ship of dark age tech human explorers preserved in stasis?A toilet paper that won't give you shit finger?
>>62936073Anon probably thinks Fallout starts with the third and wasn't born in the 80's
>>62936188the push to a wider aesthetic is a response to the fact that the design studio had spent the last 10 years being whipped until they had put enough skulls on every model for kirby to cum.40k has always had art nouveau, baroque , pulp and modern design elements crushed together . The original imperial guardsmen were modelled of Jes goodwins motorbike jacket with a flash Gordon helmet stuck on top.
>>62936216>the last living old one ?It's implied Eldrad may have killed that one in Old Earth, actually. Or killed the 40k equivalent of a Slann, anyway.
>>62935635>>62936128Hey, maybe it's some archeotech weapon that just looks like an autocannon.Maybe it fires nanoscale flechettes of some rare alloy.
>>62936285okay, so they open the chamber and there's just a bag of M&Ms in there. They take it to terra, and they're quickly coppied and sent to the front lines. Before long all conflict is stopped as the myriad races of the universe unite of how good a nice bag of M&Ms is. Except the tau because fuck those guys, They probably have allergies.
>>62933552still not really there tho is it
>>62934397>>62934956Robots from the RT era were explicitly run this way. There's some nice fluff pieces in among the rules (I think found in the Compendium). The rules themselves were hell though, which is why robots never caught on with players and the line died out.>>62935352There's some nice art in there too. No Men of Iron, but they were just a throwaway line for 20 years.
>>62936128Duuuude, assault cannons are notoriously unreliable they are always jamming.>>62936335I think you've had one too many son, time to go home
>>62934880Or just taking the hard drive and transferring it to a new machine.
>>62933868He's trying to blend in and hide. Right now he's passing as a basic robot sent by a Techpriest Dominus to acquire archaeotech, so he needs to look like something the admech would have laying around.If he looked like something out of that comic, it'd be a dead fucking giveaway. He may as well bolt a big ass neon sign onto his chassis saying "hi, I'm a super heretical thinking machine from 12,000 years ago! Please don't shoot me/disassemble me to learn how I tick, thanks!"Why is this so hard for people to grasp? If a chaos renegade was trying to blend in on an imperial world, he wouldn't walk around with mutations in plain sight, he'd hide that shit. UR025 is quite literally one of the most heretical things an Imperial citizen could find, a thinking machine, an abominable intelligence. If he gets caught he's fucked. That's why he looks like a basic, bland, completely unassuming robot, so he doesn't attract attention.Jesus fucking Christ it's probably people like you who wonder how the hell alpha legion sneaks around in spikey lizard scale armor all the time like nobody's heard of this radical fucking invention called a "disguise" before.
40k robots have always looked a bit clunky. I expected the men of iron to look more advanced, whatever that means in my head I guess...
So is it an abominable intelligence or not?
At what point should I leave /tg/ if I really don't want spoilers?
>>62929288Comparing the Man of Iron design to the admech non-AI versions>>62933224>>62933376UR-025 looks oddly more dignified and capable, just in silhouette and stance. The infiltrator's design >>62933409 has a similar look of competence, but the Man of Iron has even a certain pride in its gesture with the gun.
Tbh, the best thing for men of iron would be terminator style robot skeletons. Makes the most sense, but can’t do it of course since Necrons exist. Necrons shoulda been introduced and revealed as successors of the men of iron in the first place, not what they became.
>>62929288Can someone explain to me who or what this thing is?Is it a new army or something?
>>62937631It's a character model from Blackstone Fortress, the upcoming Warhammer Quest boardgame reskinned for 40k. According to the fluff UR-025 is an authentic Man of Iron, a completely sentient and independent robot dating back all the way back to the pre-Imperial Dark Age of Technology. Apparently it's been living clandestinely pretending to be an AdMech drone while pursuing its own agenda.
>>62937766well, functionning clandestinely
>>62937766registered under the name of a long-dead magos too.Perfect cover, considering the admech never disclose their archives, that a magos can live for 10 000 years and that it'd be a total hassle to verify his claims even if the admech was willing to cooperate.
>>62934108I think people have got and idée fixé that the DAoT was some sort of post-singularity post-scarcity Culture-tier technowank utopia that'd make a TNG writer blush, so anything less than a sentient cloud of nanomachines gets a violent backlash. Personally, I like the retro-futurist raygun aesthetic. The key thing is that it's distinct from Imperial Gothic as a sign of a different time.
>>62937766>for in the colossal space station UR-025 sees a kindred being>space station built by frog people to kill necrons and c'tans>robot whose designed after necron constructs with the help of a c'tan>kindred spiritsooooooh boy, UR-025 is in for a surprise
>>62937766Neat. This actually sounds kinda cool.Do we know much else? Are there any other unusual characters?>Sorry I normally live on /k/ so all this is new to me
>>62937873idée fixe*and yeah, most of what we hear about the DaoT concerns isolationistic settlers using STCs to get by, and empires struggling against eldar and greenskins. More precisely, against eldar who are too busy buttfucking each other to even pay attention to the apes trying to conquer their galaxy.Even if DaoT humans had perpetual motion engines and infinite replicators and self-repairing stuff, it wasn't widespread enough for it to be much more than average space opera tech, and most of the stuff they used was just Imperium tech, but bigger and less likely to malfunction.
>>62937911no, the other characters seem pretty standardBut the Kroot guy might come across relics from back when the Kroot were less traditionalistic and more advanced.Also the eldar girl from Biel-tan (you know, the racist genocidal ones who got fucked over by the Ynnari) is a MAGA hat-wearing gremlin.
>>62937911The game isn't out yet so we don't know anything else. However, apparently the game will come with a Secret Envelope, a "Hidden Vault" which you can open if you win the game (or just rip it apart as soon as you pry open the box set, but that's no fun). Who knows what treats it conceals?
>>62938019I have it from a reliable source that the envelope contains tabs of LSD.
>>62938035Cool, after playing you can simulate the 40k experience even more as you can go on your own journey into the Warp.
>>62938010>MAGA hat-wearing gremlin.What? Why?>>62938019It really had better be like >>62938035Says or maybe even just a chocolate space marine.
>>62938124She literally wants to Make Biel-Tan Whole Again
>>62938124no, it's all flat, so no miniatures
>>62938124It's a meme. Biel-Tan as a whole and Amallyn specifically are really militant about restoring the Eldar Empire, hence the MAGA association.
>>62938185and also the specific wording used by GW
>>62938010Wait hold on. What the fuck is a Ynnari? Don't tell me that they couldn't trademark "tau" or something?
>>62938281Radical cult of Eldar (sorry, "Aeldari") who worship their newly born god of death, and fuck Ultramarines.The Tau just got an extra apostrophe.
It would probably have been better if the term "men of iron" for the Men of Iron meant they were literally in the shape of human men with metallic bodies but not as crude as the Necrons look but I guess silver humans would be dumb to people
>>62938281If you've been playing 40k for a while you may have seen occasional references to Ynnead, the artificial warp god that some Eldar have the ambition of creating by combining all of the soulstones in the Craftworlds' Infinity Circuits in a sort of Anti-Fall to create a being that could destroy Slaanesh. They've recently been promoted to a full faction, the Ynnari, with some miniatures. Yvraine, the Eldar who woke up Guilliman, is a Ynnari.
>>62938313>And fuck ultramarines I'm going to regret asking this aren't I? I suppose I should really read some of the new fluff but after what happened to Warhammer and what came after I have been loathe to.
>>62938281Oh but they couldn't trademark "tau"That's why now they're called "T'au'"go check their website I'm not shitting you
>>62938383>what happened to Warhammer and what came afterYou do know both exist except that one horrible tabletop right?
>>62938383They don't, that's another dumb memethey helped the admech resurrect Guilliman so he could help them against chaos, that's all
>>62938383As >>62938415 says it's a dumb meme.Basically their leader is a woman healed Bobby Billy restoring him to action.So the joke is they shacked up and the Ultramarine Primarch has an elf bint hanging around him.
>>62938383Okay here's how it wentEldrad Ulthran went to some shitty world to awaken Ynnead with the help of a bunch of harlequinsthe deathwatch interrupted them so it went wrongand Ynnead siphoned the Infinity Circuit of Biel-Tan and popped up in Biel-Tan as the Yncarne (which is like an Avatar) and the craftworld explodedand maybe before that or after (wan't remember), Ynnead possessed some chick called Yvraine cause she was kind of like the pre-fall eldar Now here's how Yvraine should have been written: she should have been some exodite witch who really kept up the ancient eldar culture and went on a crusade for Ynnead and picked up disparate elements of crawftorld and dark eldar culture, hence her weird designinstead she's like a super-special ex-warlock princess turned commorrite gladiatrix who can resurrect the dead and even resurrect rubric marines no I'm not shitting you also she can resurrect herself after her own bodyguard killed her because he knows she's a fucking mary sue who should die and she also resurrected Guilliman and somehow the Black templars were okay with this and dark eldar and aeldar are joining her bullshit crusade holy shit what the fuck STTOPokaycalm downthe CEO of Games Workshop changed before it could get any worsehe put a stop to this bullshit, hopefully the Ynnari will be phased out
>>62938515I ought not to care so much about a setting that exists as a reason to throw dice at each other but you're right. That does sound retarded. I guess I've missed far worse though.
>>62938515>hopefully the Ynnari will be phased out and we can go back to boring status quo*
>>62938515don't forget that was vected already
>>62929288Where the fuck is it said this guy is a men of iron? Everyone is just saying it without proof
>>62938591the statu quo is boringbut it's better than Ynnari bullshitI'll take boring over bullshitI'll take it. All of it. I'm okay with boring. Go right ahead. Just bore my shit up.
>>62938614Fine. Here's another hedgehog then
>>62938632everyone is saying it with proof, you just somehow miss the screencap every time, including this thread
>>62938590And get this; Jes Goodwin designed her miniature in one draft just throwing shit at the wall without seeing what sticks.
>>62938723That actually explains quite a lot. There's something very off about her. That and I've seen that cat thing on a book cover. I'm sure of it
>>62938632what a dumbass
>>62938802it's a Gyrinx. i like itbut her design is like a hodge-podge of what Lady Malys should look like, combined with craftworld bits and just awkward bits and bobsWhich is why she should have been an exodite clumsily trying to emulate the outfits of other eldar cultures out of a sense of self-importance but nope
>no nut november>see this
>>62938723Fuck off she looks great. Just because you don't draw something a thousand times before settling on a design doesn't decrease its quality in fact it's likely to make it worse
>>62938864>le precious bodily fluids>>62938868her design is interesting but undercooked and doesn't line up with her background.She looks like an eccentric voodoo witch pretending to be an archon. But she's an actual noblewoman and a gladiatrix, it's stupid.And several parts of her design are really super inelegant, mostly the triangular bodice that doesn't follow her curves at all, and the giant headdress that would have looked better on her shoulders like this>>62938375She's like Sigue Sigue Sputnik, there's something really cool going on there, but it's buried under a half-assed execution.
I like beep boops so much
>>62938019Who's the stylish purple guy
>>62939036he looks a lot like Espern Locarno, so probably another navigator of his house
>>62939017>imagine having this great of a taste
>>62929691sometimes less is more. Is better an inspiring fragment than a lame world salad.People like you are the reason we have lame shit like the perpetuals.
>>629391244th ed works as an introduction, to get hooked on 40k8th edition works better as actual fluff
>>62939175Not really, sorry.
>>62939216yes, reallyyour personal appreciation isn't relevant
>>62938982She needs a second draft all over, there is lots of potential here and she's certainly salvageable
>>629392238th edition fluff is mostly garbage.
>>62939226yeah, it's only a few details awayshit, lemme give it a shot, wait a few minutes
>>62939234no, it's only like 15% garbage, which is pretty good by 40k standards
>>62939263I wish I had your garbage standards, I would enjoy things more and be easily entertained.Blessed anon.
>>62934102The old fluff also had the Necrons as only quasi-sentient destroyers, not somewhat-sympathetic Tomb Kings knockoffs.Retconning established fluff really fucks over old novelizations.
Is it wrong that I just want the UG-025 mini?
>>62939407No, most people have a few favourites. I love the Kroot, Tits mc MAGA, and the beastmen, but I really don't care much for most of the other models.That's purely feelings-based though, objectively every model here (well okay except maybe the ratlings) is fucking amazing and deserves its own army if it doesn't already have one.
>>62929492Meat thing? No wonder they sealead that A.I. away, it's a skaven
is that better?very minimal differences, but crucial ones
>>62939407I want UR-025, MAGAtits, the kroot and Obsidius Mallex (who should totally be the new warmaster)
>>62939631I'm liking what I'm seeing, hell looks reasonably easy to kitbash
>>62939682as I said, minimal differences, she just needed a redraft
>>62939682her bodice still needs to be altered to be more form-fitting, luckily it's a separate part that can be bent and resculpted easily
>>62939488>Tits mc MAGAwho?
Also, Amallyn has a special rule called "appear unbidden"Much like /pol/fags, she shoehorns herself into discussions even though nobody asked for her opinon.
>>62939876>>62939864oic thx>>62929288honestly the way I headcanon it is that body is just the disguise chosen by an advanced AI for fitting in during the 41st millennium so as to not call attention to himselfThe original bodies, and powers, of the Iron Men would be like something like pic related.
>>62939959nobody likes your headcanon. the term "thinking machines" is perfectly in line with retrofuturistic robots
>>62939880>Also, Amallyn has a special rule called "appear unbidden">Much like /pol/fags, she shoehorns herself into discussions even though nobody asked for her opinon.
>>62939970you know full well that a lot of people hate how this stupid robot looks and don't think it matches what the Iron Men are supposed to be, that's literally the only reason you are on the internet right now, to yell at them and tell them that they're wrong, and while I think your opinions are stupid, I am not inclined to tell you to shut the fuck up about those, but I will tell you to shut the fuck up when you tell people who disagree with you that nobody disagrees with you, at that point you have ceased to just be some loser with terrible opinions and are gaslighting everyone
>>62940070Respect the robot
>>62940070>>62939970you hate it because it doesn't fit your mental image of what they looked likebut we've never had any hard info so the fact its not what you expected is immaterial its aethetic makes perefect sense for a DAoT relic and im sorry that you imagined to DAoT to be some high level dyson sphere shit
>>62940070they're a bunch of idiots who weren't paying attention to the fluff, you have no right to agree with themalso>gaslightingexpress yourself without tumblr rhetorics
>>62940185speaking of whichWhy is it that so many faggots on /tg/ have a huge hard-on for Dyson Spheres in spite of the fact that aesthetically speaking, they're just paper-thin deathstars that can't fight back?
>>62940279no clueI guess because they sound super cool as an idea?
>>62936817But disguises don't work. Playing TF2 taught me this.
>>62929288>MoI were so fucking powerful they brought DAoT humans to their knees>UR25 is equipped with a fucking autocannon and a shitty power fistWhat in the hell GW?
>>62940377HE'S LAYING LOWIf he was walking around with a fucking volkite blaster he'd be claimed by the Mechanicus in seconds, and be locked up in some forgeworld shrine for a thousand years.
>>62940389No. That makes no sense. Stop being shitty.
>>62940406thats literately the lore about him>>62940377that more as a result of suprise numbers and reliance that shear power
>>62940406I swear to fucking god this has to be trolling how can people seriously be this fucking dense. READ HIS FUCKING LORE PARAGRAPH IT SAYS HES DOING EXACTLY THAT.
>>62938019>>62938035What music will GW package, along with the tablets, for the players to trip out to?
>>62940428>that more as a result of suprise numbers and reliance that shear powerBut that is fucking wrong. MoI had and used weapons that Necrons think are way too dangerous
>>62940070Respect the Robot
>>62940331But they fucking don't, it's just a dumb solution to a dumb engineering problem, there's just nothing cool about dyson spheres except for their size, maybe
>>62940446gonna need a source on that allegation, faggot
>>62940279The entire output of a star is a lot of energy. Going by the typical soft sy-fi underestimating how big numbers get in space, a lot of people put a civ that controls a single Dyson Sphere as several orders of magnitude more powerful than all the factions in WH40K, both major and minor, put together.
>>62940504the entire output of a dyson sphere is a ridiculous amount of energy compared to a ton of other scifi concepts>a lot of people put a civ that controls a single Dyson Sphere as several orders of magnitude more powerful than all the factions in WH40K, both major and minor, put together.bull fucking shit, the necrons alone have at least one dyson sphere, commorragh is a transdimensional comglomerate of several dyson spheres and the eldar's favorite boast is that they used up suns like we use up batteries
>>62940534and by ridiculous I mean laughable because that's what ridiculous actually means. It means it's barely worth a giggle.
>>62940495Horus Heresay Audio Drama faggot. MoI had Sun Snuffer space ships that ate stars. Necrons also had that kind of shit but didn't use it because it had terrible effects on the Galaxy.
>>62940504Dyson spheres have become a fucking running joke in 40k because of how frequently the eldar bring up the fact that "stars lived and died at our command"like fucking really? Don't they have anything else worth bragging about? I mean it's not even fucking special, the Slann and the C'tan did similar shit on a regular basis.
>>62937332I'll never not love that this is basically just a B-2 Battle Droid with a mounted on it.
>>62940555then it's not a case of it being too dangerous, it's a case of DaoT humans being too retarded to make good use of technology that isn't actually exceptional.in any case, it's fucking irrelevant, you were talking about the strategic advantages of the MoI
>>62940580>Being able to eat stars isn't a strategic advantage
>>62940377>>MoI were so fucking powerful they brought DAoT humans to their kneesActually the Custodes Codex says it was mostly down to gene tampering and the sudden upswing in warp activity.
>>62940613not when your opponent also can
>>62940645This is the actual accepted theory by everyone I know.
>>62940704No theory required. It's canon from the Custodes codex.
>>62940735Everything in 40k is propaganda anon. Even the Custodes are operating off of sketchy info.
>>62940735Nope. It's word of God, codexes haven't been like that since 3e.
>>62933703Processing hardware would influence the mind of the AI.AIs will definitely have different personalities and identities if they're 'bodies' are different.Saying an AI doesn't exist in a body but is instead just a program is the same as saying a human is just a collection of memories.
>>62941021But a human is just a collection of memories
>Dark Age of Technology was basically Fallout IN SPAAAACE!!!!!>the Imperium's face 10-15k later
>>62929288>except not sentientThere's reason to doubt that.
>>629411002nd page for funsies
>>62941100>>62941173Some of them are probably also pretending sure. But most are dumb bots or they wouldn't accidentally walk themselves into pools of lava or other hazards.
>>62941204Oh I'm sure a lot of them have been stripped of their AIs, but if I were a Man of Iron I'd want to disguise myself as an iron angel of destruction.
>>62941100>Show up to battles unrequested>"Allow" themselves to be ordered around>Disappears as mysteriously as they cameOhhhhh boy
>>62941246Hey, could be worse.In the old fluff, sometimes Robots were made honorary chapter members.
>>62941405>ywn be a Marine with a Robo battle brother kicking xeno assFeels bad man
>>62936817Look at the thread.You can't convince these people that UR should keep a low profile even if he (for all he knows) is the absolute last of his kind and is in no shape to be doing extraordinarily stupid things if he wants to live.
>>62941405I think that's how they treat some of the robots in the Horus Heresy stuff.
>>62929743ULLAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXAmx33pj0Every single time I see that drone, that's all I hear.
>>62929288I find it a bit boring, because how are you suppose to show the technological regression of humanity, if the stuff you have in the deepest, darkest age is identical to the stuff they had in the height of their glory? I wanted to imagine the Raypunk robots were the best the Admech could do in M41 out of the schematics for terminators, not that they just replaced the true AI with a punch card system.Imagine DAoT humans driving around in Leman Russes that are just the same Leman Russes Guard uses. HFY, indeed. Such advancement. Much black-hole guns. Wow.
>>62941246Could be just a reference to the Paragon of Metal special rule in 30k, which allows an automata to ignore the Programmed Behavior rule and gain some special rules and abilities.
>>62941841>I find it a bit boring, because how are you suppose to show the technological regression of humanity>Imagine DAoT humans driving around in Leman Russes that are just the same Leman Russes Guard uses. HFY, indeed. Such advancement. Much black-hole guns. Wow.Uhhhh... Yes, that is how it's always worked. The rhino for example is a dark age design, as are knights. The difference is some of the weapons and equipment they were armed with. For example, rhinos used to be what we would think of as your average truck or Jeep, "now" they're a very rare and high tech transport only the most elite forces have access to. Same with knights. Back in the day they were more like a bulldozer or excavator that you could mount a gun or two on to scare off the local wildlife. Now they're nobility on their worlds and treated with ritualistic reverence.Meanwhile there were also star killer weapons, big ass super Titans, etc. Lots of people forget that technology is not solely based on your biggest baddest tech, but also how easily accessible it is for your average person. The Germans in WWII are a great example. Yeah, they had jet fighters, the first practical assault rifle, advanced tanks, and tons of other crazy tech. It also did fuck all because their logistics train still largely depended on fucking horses and the average man was still stuck with a bolt action rifle his grandfather fought with 30 years ago. Yeah if you look UR025 in and of himself he's not that impressive. But look at him in contrast to other army's footsoldiers, he's tough as a Terminator and stronger to boot. If he's what an "average" man of Iron looked like he's practically an ogryn, imagine fighting an army of those, it'd be hell. Imagine if you could take a whole squad of UR025 with non character stats (so say 2W instead of 4) with a reasonable price. They'd be a pretty nasty little unit compared to other infantry.
>>62942074>The rhino for example is a dark age designDoes that mean DAoT Rhinos were identical to 40k ones? A homemade, hand built AK is not going to look like a SIG550. Even in Imperium you have variation in design based on the technological base used to build them. Compare the legion basilisk to the guard one. Or Baneblade to the Fellblade.
>>62942171The Fellblade never ceases to make me laugh>Marine players sad about not getting the most chad tank in the game>Get a knockoff but better in every wayFW certainly knows their audience.
>>62929288Could be that the Men of Iron is just a collective name for all the machines that rebelled against humanity. Something that was that much of a threat to the galaxy must have had different units designed to tackle different targets. Could be UR-025 is just a heavier model frontline unit. For all we know they're just sentient code that jumps platforms so to speak as they need. Maybe UR-205 just hijacked some old Kastelan pattern for this situation
>>62942223>Fellblade>aka. Marine Baneblade>"What if we put TWO cannons on it and replaced the sponsons with our OC quad lascannons?">"Brilliant!">Falchion>aka. Marine Shadowsword>"What if we put TWO cannons on it and replaced the sponsons with our OC quad lascannons?">"Brilliant!"
>>62942223>>62942357>seething nazi larpers
>>62942415>ever buying KriegC'mon now
>>62942464He means guard players
>>62929288I like this guy's design.
>>62942493But I play 30k Marines and I'm not happy with FW just redesigning the shit I want into their OC crap.
>>62937830And the Magos' name is an anagram of Hereticus which is neat
>>62934946Hey now, the most visually interesting faction in that whole game has more to offer than that dude from Overwatch
>>62941068Not gonna lie, I'd love some Imperialized versions of most of the fallout robots.
>>62938637>better than ynarri bullshitsounds like a salty imperial player who can't get over the fact that now his isn't the only faction that can forge giant, cross army alliances to rape the ever loving shit out of all the other armies in the game.
do any of you sense fuckers ever actually read and comprehend the lore?UR-025 is hiding trying to blend in it states that in the new lore for him.Hes a sneaky fucking robot.>Now after decades i finally understand why they genocided the men of ironSneaky fucking robots!
On the topic of the game, it's including data cards to squeeze everyoder into am existing army, like the preacher can join a SoB army, the chaos dudes can be fitted into the black legion, etc. So who do the spindel drones team with?
>>62943366Whoever they goddamn please. Are you going to argue with an Old One construct?
>>62929370>Arbiters doing stuffWe have to go back
>>62941047Wrong, a human is a collection of false memories
>>62943366They've got Unaligned, the same keyword as Fortifications. I wish you could take them in more than units of 4 though, they'd really shine if you could get them in a big enough unit to actually weather a shooting phase.
>>62938515>Hey GW have you though about making the Exodites as a viable and an interesting faction in W40K>''nah we want a mary sue who'll merge two separate eldar factions (and maybe the imperium) into one colossal mess of a faction!''
>>62943191he's trying to blend in by acting like a retard and bolting an aquila on his chestWhy are you ignoring canonical depictions of other pre-imperium robots?
>>62941646yeah, in First Heretic there are robots who are bros with Word Bearers Serrated Sun Chapter. They do manifest some minimal form of decision making when it comes to helping their astertes brothers in arms.
>>62944130Kirby was heavily against anything experimental, new or risky. If it wouldn't make him more money as quickly as possible, he wouldn't even allow the design team to think about it.Incidently, GW is going better then it ever has by doing literally everything opposite of Kirby
>>62942749Those all look like crap, though.
>>62942171Part of the point of the STC system was so that they would be relatively similar.
>>62944169He's obviously done more than that, his weapons aren't particularly advanced and he's likely lost more advanced secondary technologies that were ubiquitous during the GC, and somewhat even today, let alone the Dark Age. His general aesthetic is likely similar to his initial design, but it's very unlikely that he's exactly the same as he was when first built.
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>>62940563Thats not surprising, think how many pieces of the damn things would have been littering the galaxy. Hell, most thrown together bots in the Empire probably have the main body of B1s.
>>62944087Wrong again, a human is just a miserable pile of lies!
>>62940555According to an Olius Pious short story, mankind had sun killing weapons and semi sentient planet/city killing dragon things that literally torn open holes through time, space, and the warp itself. When fleeing from Calth Olius got stuck on a planet marred by one of these holes, on a planet where all the people are linked together into a cybernetic hive brain and wasting away attached to their walls
>>62940495>>62940446>>62940555No, you dumbfuck. Using the Celestial Orrey was dangerous since it controls all the stars in the galaxy.The Mephrit dynasty aka the Star Killers has no problem killing stars left and right.
>>62944528>plywood and adamantium built rhinos would be identical in every aspect
>>62938155>Make us whole again funny, it works like Dead space reference too. No I want cute Aamally holding hand of terrified Isac
>>62938323I used to imagine them like the one from 50´s "The Day the Earth Stood Still "
>>62939407>>62939652Buy a box, keep those, sell the rest, make a profit.
>>62938019> MOI?>Rogue Trader walking without bodyguards into a chaos infested frotress?>Maga Eldar cooperating with Kroot, Ratlings and Monkeys?>Ratlings unseful?>GW: Ha ha! Fooled you. All just a dream.
Why is no one asking the important questions? WILL THERE BE WAIFUS??
>>62929288>I know some of you hate the fact that Men of Iron look like goofy 1950s Raygun Gothic techon the contrary - I like UR-025's look much better than goofy castellans that look like Brazilian comic characters
>>62941724But the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.
>>62942749literally the faction 'skip the leg day'
>>62945920Probabaly some slannesh corrupted or Uncorrupted model buried somewhere in the old DAOT worlds
>>62942074this guy gets it. A glock 9mm is a meh tier gun that almost anyone can get their hands on and is not impressive in the least. But you drop one down during the civil war era, where most pistols are single action, six shot revolvers and most rifles are single shot bolt actions, and suddenly that semi-automatic, 15 mag gun is god tier weapon of mass destruction.
>>62934184No, Admech is like. 80s style.
>>62934319What's is like being a literal garbage eater with shit opinions forced on your by other shit-eating morons?
>>6294140530k Thousand Sons also made use of robots and treated them well
>>62942749>>62934946It bugs me that Warmahordes took this aesthetic and not GW.Now I'll never have official, plastic Ad Mech Cyber Marias
>>62940852Wtf are you talking about. Codexes have always been like that. Everything everybody has ever written about 40k is canon, kinda. And thats how it's always been.
>>62944891Wrong again, a human is just a featherless avian!
>>62946214Wrong. There is a distinct difference between in-universe accounts and third person narration.
>>62946292No, you're fucking wrong. Come back when you're not brain damaged.
>>62941100I mean, not all of these are entirely "AI", psychic machine spirits are a documented phenomenon in 40k, if a machine sticks around long enough and is loved and worshipped enough it'll eventually become pseudo-sentient to a small degree. There are recorded instances of land raiders losing all their crew and going berserk, ramming into the enemy formations, completely on their own initiative, and Titans have such powerful machine spirits princeps have to be extremely strong of will to subdue them and even still end up losing control from time to time.
>>62946315Nope. Even a child can grasp such basic concepts.
>>62933868Why would the Men of Iron, the peak of Humanity's creation, look like normal ass robots in WH40k times?Because they were mass produced.You don't just put ornate shit and frills on something that you produce for sole purpose of workforce.
>>62940377If that's standard MoI Infantry than they are a lot better/more powerful than Astartes, humanities best warriors. >+1 S>+1 T>+2/3 W>Heavy weapons all around
>>62944234So exodites when? Hell I want all the races to get extra factions, give a c'tan loyalist codex for oldcron fans, a proper geuvisa centric tau auxiliaries codex, rebel grots! Resurgent zoats!
>>62944895>perpetual piousDiscarded as invalid lore
>>62946194Well we see where that got them? Are there any ways to run them as daemon engines with moder TKS?
>>62947170I think they meant Gue'vesa, which are humans that have sided with the Tau.
>>62946203warmahordes look like trash. if you enjoy this bland mess you should get a better taste, faggot
>>62947327>I lack reading comprehensionI don't like Warmahordes. That's why I'm annoyed they took the Metropolis style while GW went Robbie the Robot.
>>62944691>GW invest all their profits into Space Exploration.>This is your only chance now to become a RL rogue traderI knew Jes Goodwin was the Emperor!
>>62945920>Implying Ur-205 isn't a waifu.
>>62944234AoS was designed for quick easy buck making yet Rowntree has hijacked it for crazy army design.Maybe 40k is next,
>>62942074The point of STCs is that they are, above all things, rugged designs. People were expected to get out of cryosleep in any kind of planet (like Catachan) and rebuild society. You can literally make a Rhino out of wood or bones. Plus lost knowledge; there's a a tau textbox that states that the Russ looks like the humans halfhazardly threw a vehicle together, with parts that make no sense and subpar materials for the intended role.I'd expect top of the line DAoT gear to be a bit beyond that.Not an assault cannon that you can't resupply easily when you can have an internal power core that feeds your deadly archeotech multi-laser or super graviton gun.It's perfectly fine for a MoI to upload its conscience into a shitty chassis, tho.>>62947327who peed in your coffee, anon?
>>62946474>land raiders losing all their crew and going berserk, ramming into the enemy formationsLandraiders have lurked around fucking campaigns like some kinda dakka monsters without their crews.
>>62947495>Dainty stance>Thick, rounded thighs>Nice, plump assIt checks out.
Anyone have the data sheet for the Eldar Ranger woman?I want to know if she's a character so I can run her in my Exodite/Outcast army.
I recently realized that the Men of Iron/Gold/Stone stuff draws a lot from the ancient greek Ages of Man and the associated races. Another example of cool old GW nerdery.>>62929492>ywn have a kuudere Man of Iron gf/bf>>62946474Land Raiders and Titans have very advanced logis engines, to the point that they border on AI.And there's also stuff like that:https://imgur.com/gallery/juITu
>>62947575>>62947723There was the one Crimson Fist Land Raider that Stalked orks and killed a Warboss in retaliation for the chapter monastery being destroyed.Land Raiders are good boys
>>62947750Please provide more stories about good boy land raiders. Any links/book sources?
>>62938723Keep in mind Jes has been creating miniatures for GW for the last twenty years. He created the modern bolter, space marine, eldar and half a dozen other factions. He is the reason why the golden age of 90's-00's existed.
>>62944991>>62945305Just imagine your opponent's faces when you turn up with your marine's rhinos decoed as unpainted plywood.
>>62947723>kuuderestop making up words
>>62947826The chapter approved on the Land Raider, in White Dwarf 300-something. From memory it has one LR going berzerk after his crew gets killed, running repetedly over the enemy in a reenactment of the battle of Stonne, and another LR doing a 360 nos scope shoot while hanging off a brigde by its thread (it plummets to death shortly afterwards). Also features one of the most underused aspect of 40k vehicles: Travelling for days on the bottom of the sea to assault a beach by surprise.
>>62948316I take it the mechanicus takes this as proof of the machine spirit rather then just a brand of dog like AI that stayed loyal
>>62948404My guess is that as part of the ritual for sanctifying a Land Raider, Titan, or other machine with a prominent Machine Spirit, they sacrifice an animal. (Often a grox or similar. Warhound titans often get a predator)Part of the sacrifice is actually a brain uploading, making the machine spirit a primitive AI with mannerisms based on the slain beast.
>>629391758th is shit as a game though.
>>62948404The AdMech is usually pretty okay with intelligence as long as there's some bio bits in it.The LR machine spirit probably is some vat-grown brain with a ton of circuitry added to it rather than a supercomputer.Therefore it can't be abominable intelligence, but rather the sacred union of man and machine.
>>62944528"Used by the Imperial guard.." Those where the days.
>>62948640IG used to field jetbikes and bombermen too
>>62946802>So exodites when?honestly, it wouldn't be hard, all they'd have to do is make datasheets and maybe some upgrade sprues so you can adapt the old WHF/AOS elf models like the raptor riders and such.
>>62948659And Land Raiders according to Adeptus Mechanicus.
>>62947702be grateful, I had to go to dark places to find this.
>>62948748Er, Adeptus Titanicus, the pre-epic epic.
>>62946110>during the civil war era, where most pistols are single action, six shot revolvers and most rifles are single shot bolt actionsNigger, what? The only repeating rifles during the civil war were Spencers and Henrys which were lever actions, but the vast, vast majority of soldiers were armed with muzzle loading caplock rifles.
>>62948640And landspeeders, too.
Oh, apparently there is an accompanying novel.
>>62946504Offical Statement from GW"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."You're brain damaged.
>>62948767This is not a deepstrike, is an infiltration and it's what units like Kommandos should have.
>>62949217Yet no source.
>>62949811Gav Thorpe, The lead designer at GW you mongoloid.http://gavthorpe.co.uk/2010/01/21/jumping-the-fence/
>>62948723They'd eat it up, I know I would
>>62950202>2010Oh no, and Gav Thorpe doesn't lead shit. Sorry but more recent policy takes precedence, fag boy.
>>62950335Then provide a source countering his and stating clearly what is canon and what isn't.Damn canonfags are the worst blight to have come to tabletop. And funnily they're mostly an anglo thing.
>>62950420Here, and it's an anglo game so if you don't like it kill yourself.
>>62950471You're quoting the BIGGEST FUCKING FAGGOT who is known for RETARDED INTERPRETATIONS OF LORE as being the be all of lore. Also his interpretation that ONLY THE MOST RESENT interpretations is literally only his feelings, and is not fucking canon. He fucking makes that up so he can have his shitty head canon being the correct interpretation. Also works for Riot now retard. Also to counteract your fucking retardation"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."Andy Hoare"There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP."Aaron Dembski-Bowden (the co author of the fucking series your retard edited)"Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it."Marc GascogneBut by all means continue to be a fucking retard.
>>62950471Just fyi, Goulding left GW for Riot Games and as a result " doesn't lead shit" anymore, just like Thorpe :^)
>>62950583>>62950589Goulding has had the most recent say, idiots. Obama isn't President, Czechoslovakia isn't a thing anymore, and your terrible ideas on canon are irrelevant.
>>62950647No, he never had a say. He through a hissy fit because he can't fucking write and people called him out on it, so he declared "everything I say is canon". Canon has been clearly established for 4 fucking decades, one manbaby being a faggot about it doesn't change that.
>>62950879>No, he never had a say.Yeah he did, he was editor in chief.
>>62950943>You're wrong>prove it>proof>doesn't count heres my reason why, which is the same reason yours doesn't count>Okay, 4 more proofs>Nah, doesn't count because I have brain damageAnd he was the fucking editor of one series of books and everybody thought he did a shit job of it.
>>62950995You didn't prove anything though, you posted a bunch of outdated shit, and I told you so.
>>62947495>>62947640My precious roboboy is not for sexual.
>>62937766Dan Abnett in the first Gaunt's Ghost said that the machines had blue eyes and were very similiar to humans. Found from I understand they were graceful things.
>>62951214There's probably a whole bunch of designs.We already know a bunch of robot types, there's probably ones similar to the old chaos androids, but covered in skin. They were probably given missions to eliminate particular enemies with extreme prejudice. Like some kind of bug killer.
>>62951214>paint the head and claw in skin colour>put a clip on tie on the front plate and a wig on the head>paint the body like it's wearing a suit