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>>98092788
Sorry if I wasn't clear. My question is about using the wonderwork, not about having it established for the purposes of selecting other choices. If a Creature Legend had the Magus trait for say, Sorcery (which gives it access to sorcery as a whole rather than selecting individual expressions as mortal races would), would its Conjuration (the special expression of Sorcery) be able to mimic one of the expressions of Crossover, as mortal races do, or all of them? This is also relevant for spirit races with the Powers trait, as that also gives them the ability to use one Wonderwork as a whole rather than granting one or more expressions.

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>>98092836
That's a good question. I don't know.
Let 's be maximally permissive in our ruling.

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>>98092839

post the oc

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>>98092848
Here you go, but it was already solved so I'm not sure what you'll do with it

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What's our best minion-mancer cyoa?

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>>98092893
>What's our best minion-mancer cyoa?
Or at least your favorite?

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>>98092893
Entwopist

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>>98092893
Dawn of A Demon Lord. It has lots of cool and interesting conventional minions. I like to watch my minions fight in battles in wars, so strange and unorthodox minions don't suit me.

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>>98092866
Leave Gil alone
>>98092876
Leave Tok alone

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>>98092940

What’s the worst Aromage cyoa and why is it that one underwater one

>>98092893
Isekai Dark Overlord, if you mean mancer as in literal summoner.

But I prefer Warlord-style mechanics where you buy each troop multiple times as a ready item, instead of troop types. If that counts. African/Chinese Warlord, Mercenary Captain, Warlord of Fan/k/sia (an overlooked gem; I'm the only one who ever posts it).

I wonder if I'm the only one here who didn't like DoDL's minion system at all? The rest of DoDL seemed fun, but DoDL's minions felt too vidya-like and killed the mood, I never made a build because of them.

>>98092951
I'm a big Aromage simp, but I'm not a fan of Eigenweapon. I just don't like the setting/theme of the CYOA.

>>98092978
It’s probably because it takes place in the SCP verse or something. Also the separation of para-tech, magic and the anomalous is splitting hairs when it could all be described as para-normal, magical, or anomalous.

>>98092940
>>98092944
So I was considering the various starting worlds here...

Edea: 100 years to ascend (YTA)
This one is rough, you're pretty much on a clock from the get go. So you have to actively hunt down and waylay the hero.

Polaris: 250 YTA
As long as the sisters are fighting, they won't notice you, which is great. I remember a build long ago that planned to spur conflict between the sisters to remain unnoticed. However, if they DO notice you, they will probably converge their forces on you, which is bad.

Harmonia: 150 YTA
You have a demon lord sempai running interference for you, which is good, especially since she has a ton of guardians and occupies Tyrus' attention. If you play your cards right, you can pretend to be a species of higher minion, and one of my builds does just that (self reproduction and then spawn a ton of all stat 5 copies)

Scar 80/1250 YTA(???)
This one is a bit confusing. It says you can ascend in 80 years, but if you stuck around you could ascend in 1250 years? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

Anyway, this one would require you to be even more low key than, say, Polaris. You really need to be good at setting them against each other since they will automatically know about a demon lord's presence and go on alert. Fortunately you have three others to occupy their attention, I would personally use them as bait to distract the forces of good.

Maya: 1000 YTA (special bekstebu bonus)
This one has you fighting other demon lords. It could actually be a good way to ascend fast if you could, say, ally up with a couple of demon lords, work with them to kill the other three (one for each) and then bekstebu an ally to get the fuck out of there. With luck, you can get Ekagi's hero to help out too (lie about how the rules have changed to distract them for a bekstebu).

On the whole it feels like Harmonia suits my style best since I don't have to worry too much about being betrayed and have a sempai lookign out for me.

>>98092987
>Also the separation of para-tech, magic and the anomalous is splitting hairs when it could all be described as para-normal, magical, or anomalous.
Paracausal. It just happens bro.

>>98093005
Everything that happens is causal. What is paranormal, or “paracausal”, is just an unknown cause.

>>98093005
You’re no better than retarded probabilistic nuts within the scientific community. “Dude, lolsorandom!”. How about no?

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>162 seconds
Saar you are redeeming posts too quickly

>>98093036
I dont think he cares

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>>98092814
TRUE awooo

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>>98092997
no it years to planswalk not ascend

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>>98093088
Would this benefit from, like, a setting intro, rival strains, etc?

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>>98092997
>Scar 80/1250 YTA(???)
>This one is a bit confusing. It says you can ascend in 80 years, but if you stuck around you could ascend in 1250 years? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
Eighty years to become a planeswalker, 1250 to merge with your core and achieve god-tier powers.

>>98093086
>>98093122
No wonder, I've been confusing planeswalking with merging with the demon core.

>>98092997
>So I was considering the various starting worlds here...
Something to consider is that - like in the previous version - Anastasia will arrange a meeting with any ONE god (except Tyrsus of Harmonia). So it's theoretically possible to start with a tentative alliance. Or try to pull a fast one, and convince the others that your new divine acquaintance sold them out.

(I asked the author when this version came out. He said the offer was still good, except on Harmonia - since Anastasia's friend is at war with Tyrsus.)

>Edea: 100 years to ascend (YTA)
>This one is rough, you're pretty much on a clock from the get go. So you have to actively hunt down and waylay the hero.
And the gods cooperate, which is really bad for (you). Means an entire world's worth of spies, armies, and wealth can be thrown at (you).

>Polaris: 250 YTA
>As long as the sisters are fighting, they won't notice you, which is great. I remember a build long ago that planned to spur conflict between the sisters to remain unnoticed. However, if they DO notice you, they will probably converge their forces on you, which is bad.
If (you) take the dwarf servants, you'll have a big tech advantage on Polaris. Dwarves get (you) medieval Iron Age tech, while the locals are still Bronze Age. Throw in any tech (you) remember from Earth, and world conquest becomes very feasible.

>Harmonia: 150 YTA
>You have a demon lord sempai running interference for you, which is good, especially since she has a ton of guardians and occupies Tyrus' attention. If you play your cards right, you can pretend to be a species of higher minion, and one of my builds does just that (self reproduction and then spawn a ton of all stat 5 copies)
Too polarized for my tastes.

>>98093227
>Scar 80/1250 YTA(???)
>This one is a bit confusing. It says you can ascend in 80 years, but if you stuck around you could ascend in 1250 years? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
>Anyway, this one would require you to be even more low key than, say, Polaris. You really need to be good at setting them against each other since they will automatically know about a demon lord's presence and go on alert. Fortunately you have three others to occupy their attention, I would personally use them as bait to distract the forces of good.
Based on the lore from the previous version, the gods of Scar hate each other, with the death and purity gods teaming up against the magic/learning goddess. Potential here for mercenary work, or just moving to some out of the way spot (like the northern pole) and letting them tear each other.

Going in search of lost artifacts from the god-demon war might be an option, too.

>Maya: 1000 YTA (special bekstebu bonus)
>This one has you fighting other demon lords. It could actually be a good way to ascend fast if you could, say, ally up with a couple of demon lords, work with them to kill the other three (one for each) and then bekstebu an ally to get the fuck out of there. With luck, you can get Ekagi's hero to help out too (lie about how the rules have changed to distract them for a bekstebu).
Ekagi probably would, too. However, he's the kind of person who doesn't want to see anyone (other than himself) win. If you get close to achieving planeswalker status, I'd watch out for a backstab . . .and possibly a suspiciously well coordinated assault by your rivals.

>>98093227
>Edea
When I first found this CYOA, I was under the impression that the first world would be the "easiest". Silly me!

>Scar
I must have missed the part where they hate each other. This seems like Polaris on steroids, which is great if you intend to lie low.

Also, my current, tentative strategy is to breed balanced tier 3ish clones of myself (12 all stats, going down to half stats) and setting up an undersea labyrinth hideout with people farms (refugees for the most part; I'll give them a legit good deal in the form of safety) for farming mana.

Incidentally, is it ever a good idea to incur debt points? is it possible to pay them off by just spending lots of time on your chosen world until Ana gets her due? And how long does it take you to ascend/core fusion/become as god on the other worlds?

>>98093078
>Start
Lunacy I
Bond I
Nightwake
>Perks
Lunacy II
Tracking I
Empathy I
Invigorated I
Regeneration I
Invigorated II
Chasing
Invigorated III
Sprint
Hybrid Form
Rage
Thick Hide
>Host
Self-Denying Basket Case
>Developments
Miracle Cure
Worldly Success
Web of Lies (it says innocent twice, pls fix)
Talk Yourself out of It
Form Pack
Start an Occult Religion
>True Becoming
Morphing Beast
Fluid Form
Tall I
Ingenuity I

Darwin's therapist says I am a persona he calls upon when life gets to difficult for him.
She couldn't be more wrong. I come out whenever I please. I merely need to affect his state of mind, which is second nature to me, and we swap.
She has finally indulged me, and let me call forth her own shadow self. I doubt she believes any of it, she has some fondness for the boy I reckon, and believes this exercise could help him.
If that's the vector for her new induction in my family, that's fine.
The pack only grows.

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>>98092921
Fuck yeah I love this CYOA, pic realted

>>98092893
I fucking hate this CYOA

Aro is dumber than Gil who is dumber than Sda

>>98093414
Tok would be proud.

Sda is dumber than Gil who is dumber than Aro

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looking at all the shit I have to write and add to my cyoa alone makes me burn out, I've got all the systems in place, I just need to flesh them out and write descriptions
it's all so tiresome

>>98093516
Take it one day at a time. Even one option written a day gets you there infinitely faster than not writing anything at all. Remeber that you're doing this for fun

>>98093516
post the oc, i'm bored

>>98093634
I gotta finish the other 4 concurrent cyoas then I'll release them, if I do it one by one and it gets recieved poorly I'll lose motivation to finish the rest

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>>98093395
Ugly Bastard Ichigo

>Benefactor
Shinigami (Zanpakuto)
Hollow (Mask and hole on bellybutton)
Quincy (Cross)
Fullbringer (Item)
Nobody (+140)
Mook (+25)
Awakening (-20)

>Yourself
Fat Bastard (+10)
Genius (-10)
Antisocial (+10)
Spiritual Pressure (0)
Longevity (0)
Durability (0)

>Powers:
SHINIGAMI
Shikai (0) (Quantum Magic) - "Decipher, Kiyomi"
- Food Dilution
- Earth Symbiosis
- Quantum Magic
Bankai (-20)

ARRANCAR
Unique Ability (-10) (Sexuality Embodiment)
- Shamanism
- Zodiac Symbiosis
- Sexuality Embodiment
- Heat Energizing
- Xylophone Mastery
Sonido (0)
Cero (0)
Hierro (0)
Resureccion (0)
Resureccion+ (-20)
Segunda Etapa (-40)

QUINCY
Schrift (0) (Werepire Physiology) - B, "The Beast"
-Werepire Physiology
-Essence Reading
-Blind Marksman

Spirit Weapon (-5)
Vollstandig (-15)
Vollstandig Ascension (-30)

FULLBRINGER
Fullbring (0) (Mind Imprisonment)
-Mind Imprisonment
-Spell Manipulation
-Time Fairy
-Salmonidae Physiology
-Solar Object
Awakened Fullbring (-25)
Technology (0)
Power Fusion (0)

>Perks
Snowflake x2 (-40)

>Drawbacks
Alcoholic (+5)
Loneliness (+20)
Danger Magnet (+25)
Alive (+0)

>Scenario
Blood War

I don't even know how to describe this. I guess... a shinigami was chasing an arrancar through town and a quincy stepped in to backstab one of them and it became a chaotic threeway that ended with them stumbling onto a Fullbringer's turf and somehow all their powers got yoinked out and channelled into some guy who happened to be nearby. Said guy now has all four second level power up states available at the same time, which is a power boost of what, 200000x or so (assuming they're multiplicative)?

Anyway his look is probably a giant pig-headed gigachad that fires spiral cero blasts from his eyes and tentacle wings like clawing hands that spam the spirits of slain and defeated foes to back him up, while his weapon is a massive sasumata. The crown is a simple ring of spikes like Skull Knight.

>>98093498
That build is Toks and it gets reposted every time demon lord is posted

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>>98092921
Gem Alet!

>Name:
Dioclecian Aurelianus, Lord of Conquest

>Title:
Imperator

>Mutations:
Third Eye
Wings
Demonic Features (Pointed Ears)

>Basic Abilities:
Immortality
Territory
Status Immunity
Summon Demon core
Creation and Removal
Matter Manipulation
Bulwark

>Debt Points:
5 (used 7)

>Stats:
Attack Power: 12
Special Power: 6
Combat Speed: 12
Movement Speed: 6
Health: 12
Toughness: 12
Resistence: 12

>Abilities:
Magic Eye
Unique Trait*3 (Restless, Ultra Regeneration, Aerial Ace)
Energy Beam
Disguise
Combat Shifter
Teleportation

>DPU Generation:
Automatic
Life

>Minions (specialization in Arcane)
Familiar (Arcane)
Skeleton Warrior (Undead)
Automaton (Arcane)
Griffin (Fantasy)
Chimera (Arcane)
Witch (Abyss)
Elven Druid (Nature)
War Golem (Arcane)
Evil Genie

>Core Guardian:
Alice

>Demon core Upgrades:
Enhanced Creation and Manipulation (Make stone and marble)
Custom Minions (Late Roman Empire Theme)
Territory Enhancement (Mild Climate)
Teleport Well

>Traps:
Fire Trap
Pitfall Trap
Arrow Trap
Summon Trap

>Servants:
Dwarven Craftsman
Danuki Merchant
Demon Scholar

>Drawbacks:
None

>Starting World:
Maya

My plan is to lay low for a few decades then try to get as many demon lords to ally with me so we can put down that cuck god, end his cuck cult and divide Maya among ourselfs, I shall rule my portion of Maya as a romaboo God Emperor

>>98093659
You only have one benefactor, the rest was already in you, but unusable until you got the benefactor's power. So pick a benefactor/faction.

PLS GILBERT

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https://imgchest.com/p/5xy2m5wqn7l

Birdwood https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98057049/#98062545
Orion Hegemony https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98057049/#98060431
Dragon Empire https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98063161/#98067032
Primal Forest https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98077384/#98077636
Lethedon Empire https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98084154/#98086306
The Hive https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98084154/#98086554

I wish I could fall asleep and dream forever. Why must wakefulness cling so jealously to us? To close my eyes and be lost; I cannot imagine a better fate.

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>>98092934
>Leave Tok alone
Ill leave him alone when he stops being a bitch to everyone and makes an sfw cyoa
>>98094196
Stay strong anon, I know it sucks but ill get better.

Furthermore I consider that tok must be destroyed

>>98094302
>posting the swampy gross green ver
yuck

>>98094302
Do you guys have any advice(that isnt just tok calling it trash) for my cyoa and how to makeit better?

Furthermore I consider that tok must be destroyed

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>>98094309
Most important piece of advice, nobody cares about cyoas that aren't heavily anime themed. When you make a cyoa that has real life or historical imagery in it most people will be uninterested in it that;s just how the current cyoa consensus is

>>98094321
But I wanna make better CYOAs not worse

>>98094335
Look, when I see a cyoa about being a king in the real world, or surviving in the real world, or having a waifu in the real world, I am INSTANTLY turned off by it, I hate the real world, most people here hate the real world, we want fantasy, escapism, power that is not constrained by shitty reality. You will never make a better cyoa based on the real world, because the real world has no adventure worth choosing.

>>98094309
I guess just have more stuff in it? Like drawbacks (Eye of Uncle Sam, one of your contacts is actually a foreign asset, Mossad, etc). Or more assets (former Nazi rocket scientist, japanese doctor of an unknown unit. And maybie political scenarios/Scandels, like Oliver North selling you missiles to fight communists.
These arent really advice, more like suggestions. But the jist is that the cyoa is a good starting point, but needs a bit more stuff in it.

What’s the dumbest magic of all and why is it transformation, transmutation magic?

The leftover mass to energy from a wizard turning a human into a frog would be roughly thirty times more powerful than the most powerful bomb ever made.

It’s retarded. No you can’t turn into a loli.

>>98094421
Matterjeeta said it’s possible if it’s higher dimensional alien shenanigans thobeit

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>>98094346
First off. Fuck off you don't speak for everyone here, or even most people here.
Second off. Real world history is cool as hell.
Third off.
>because the real world has no adventure worth choosing.
Go outside.

>>98094421
Woah i can be the nuke loli?

>>98094440
>magic is just the lulz factor
Fuck off with you.

>>98094470
Lolita bomba

>>98094462
Show me 1 (one) highly popular recognised real life focused CYOA that isn't an ancient survival island
>Go outside.
Why don't you? CYOAs are escapism, so fuck off if you find real life more compelling

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>>98094475
the ultimate spell...

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>>98093351
My apologies.
Fixed version.
>>98094130
These make for some great planes of existence to hop between for episodic adventures as a traveller.
Might make some custom magic cards about the creatures next week. As a bit of fanart.

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>>98094477
...?

Side note, does anyone have the German warlord one?

>>98094541
I think I remember this being somewhat popular at it's time, but I don't think it really reaches the same levels as:
Entropist - fantasy
Outer reincarnation - fantasy
Danmachi - fantasy
Witch awakening - fantasy
Stardust - sci-fiction

>>98094553
>somewhat
Uh huh, "somewhat". It was very popular when it came out, and popular enough to pioneer a new genre of cyoa (Warlord).
Other examples in this genre is:
>African warlord
>American warlord
>Star Wars warlord
>and Ork Warboss(lord)

If a 180-pound human instantly got turned (“Polymorph!”) into a 2-ounce frog, that missing mass has to go somewhere you stupid fucking retards.

Or else the resulting energy release would obliterate a small nation.

>>98094583
Made by the same person isn't exactly pioneering a new genre

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>oh my SCIENCE, anon! You can't turn into a little girl, you'll blow up the planet!!
>eto...*bleh*

>>98094597
>that missing mass has to go somewhere
Yeah another dimension

Physics is like playdough ok

Neerrrrrd

>>98094605
It is when there are others not made by the original author. The point is is that real life history is cool as hell, and a great setting for cyoas. To say otherwise is delusional and a sign that grass needs to be touched.

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>>98094597
There is no requirement for the mass to go anywhere. It could be that conservation of mass and energy is only a general principle in that setting and doesn't apply in cases of magical interference.

That doesn't mean the existence of such a transformation spell doesn't cause worldbuilding problems.
The effect is too complex and specific to be itself a fundamental building block/rule of the universe. But the instrumental effects to make it happen are exponentially more powerful if wielded alone.

The ability to appear or disappear matter, arranging it in such specific forms that the brain patterns and memories of one lifeform carry of seamlessly into a new one. Moving all the molecules that make up all of the cells around and creating wholly new cells with completely different structure and organization. That level of control would make one a god.

To avoid such ridiculous conclusions, but still allow for the presence of transformation spells, certain worldbuilding and magic systems decisions need to be made.
>the soul as a free-floating plug-and-play software that can be inserted into any hardware
>shapes such as animal bodies being eternal, accessible templates in the platonic realm, rather than a bunch of information about molecule placement

And now you know why build-a-wizard is the way it is

>>98094597
Bro, this shit is metaphysical and you are concerned about regular physics. How do you know anything scientific is even real? Im not denying that it is but if magic exists who is to say that conservation of mass, evolution or atoms have to be too. If you go out into the real word you will see none of those, for all you know they were just inventions by Jews to keep magic a secret.

Furthermore I consider that tok must be destroyed

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>>98094700
>There is no requirement for the mass to go anywhere
Stopped reading here. It absolutely does.

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>>98094714
By whose command?
>>98094717

>>98094700
>The ability to appear or disappear matter, arranging it in such specific forms that the brain patterns and memories of one lifeform carry of seamlessly into a new one. Moving all the molecules that make up all of the cells around and creating wholly new cells with completely different structure and organization
That’s still not accounting for leftover mass/energy. You could hypothetically retain a human’s consciousness within a frog, but that’s not the same argument.
>That level of control would make one a god.
Yes. Yes it would…

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>>98094721
>By whose command?
Physics as we know it. Shit gets displaced for shit to happen at all. You’re displacing matter and energy whenever you move. Work is simply the transfer of energy by a force acting on an object to displace it. This extends to mass-energy. This is very basic science.

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>>98094597
there are like 11 dimension (look up String theory) so the weight is probably just being shifted out of the 3 that make shit blow up or whatever

>>98094714
If I throw you into a giant fire then there will be nothing left of you but ash. Where did the rest go? It disappeared into nothing. The same way it can disappear when I cast polymorph on you to turn you into a 5`3 goth girl.

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>>98094732
>Physics as we know it.
As WE know it. We're talking about spellcasters here.

>>98094735
String theory is a dead end and it hasn’t progressed in nearly seventy years. It has stifled science in fact. Physicists like Eric Weinstein suggest even more dimensions, and they’re bigger, not smaller.

>>98094739
That’s just carbon. Please look it up. All that mass turned into gas. Are you saying polymorph releases highly explosive farts?

>>98094741
Magic wouldn’t be physics? You’re an idiot if you think this. Saying “it’s magic” is just the equivalent of saying “idk I don’t want to think about it”. Lol. The idea that magic defies nature is very modern.

STOP

>>98094750
How do you know that? Someone said so and you just believe it but you have no proof yourself. From my perspective it just disappeared

Furthermore I consider that tok must be destroyed

>>98094739
You don’t know how cremation works kek it doesn’t actually turn you completely into ash it’s in fact a very annoying process

>>98094757
Ash/carbon is what fire could not destroy.

Julia Child knew physics better than you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGg4njImm0Y&pp=ygUWSnVsaWEgY2hpbGQgYnVybnMgZm9vZA%3D%3D

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>>98094745

PLEASE

>>98094770
I’m serious. It has held academia back. You are painfully unaware.

>>98094741
Spellcasters are just another type of scientist or engineer or chemist. They’re doing repeatable things.

>>98094741
In our three dimensions this is how things work anon. This is our universe. We’re in the no fun allowed existence. Square cube law and all that.

>>98094791
Nukes, computers, and assembly lines exist. All magnificent wonders most fantasy world dwellers cannot conceive of.

>>98094767
This isnt you proving anything. You are again just believing what you are told. You yourself have not tried any experiments and based on youre life experience there is no definitive proof for this the conservation of mass existing.

>>98094421
What's next, Werewolves aren't real? Please.

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String theorists are the type of scientists who believe that being a woman is just an opinion

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>>98094753
A real physicist observes phenomena previously thought impossible and adjusts his model for reality accordingly. He doesn't complain that what he's seeing is impossible and demand that nature conform to his predictions.
Nobody said "It's magic, don't think about it." That's just you coping with your own ignorance.

Clearly, this magical world where fireballs and transformations take place has a deeper cosmology and rules, where the law of conservation of mass is a locally useful principle, but far from a universal truth.
Arguing against that is like a Newtonian physicist arguing against time dilation, and demanding the sattelite's clocks return to their proper position. Arrogant, ignorant, wholly against the point of science.

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>>98094797
But it doesn’t allow epic anime fightan battles so it suckz. Muscles lose to guns therefore no fun allowed. No fair!
>>98094798
You’re a juvenile troll or something.

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>>98094810
>A real physicist observes phenomena previously thought impossible and adjusts his model for reality accordingly
Yes. We know what goes on in three dimensions. For shit like transformation magic to occur, it would have to be higher dimensional bullshit. We know enough of the world to safely assume that it’s truly exotic in such a case.

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saar, this is designated shitting thread

>>98094810
>Nobody said "It's magic, don't think about it." That's just you coping with your own ignorance.
That’s quite literally what magic is, thobeit. A placeholder. Proxy logic. Maybe you’re in denial about it. Magic is just basic psychology. It isn’t even anything within fiction. Something won’t necessarily be seen as magic. It’s not guaranteed.

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>>98093261
>>Scar
>I must have missed the part where they hate each other. This seems like Polaris on steroids, which is great if you intend to lie low.
Scar is the original setting for Dawn of a Demon Lord, and had almost three pages worth of lore and character bios. Anduin trimmed it way, way back to make room for the other world choices.

>Incidentally, is it ever a good idea to incur debt points? is it possible to pay them off by just spending lots of time on your chosen world until Ana gets her due?
That's something else that got cut between editions. A demon core generates one new global point every decade or so. If you're debt free, that point can be spent on anything you want - a new minion type, a power up for you . . .

However, if you're in debt to Anastasia, that point goes to her, instead.

Does it ever make sense? Yeah, I think so - particularly if it shores up a key flaw in your build. Like if you're doing a nautical build, but aren't specializing in Myth, andthus can't take the Kraken.

The danger, though, is that (you) won't be able to upgrade (your) build until all the debt is paid off. So if (you) get to a world, and find some glaring flaw in (your) strategy, (you) won't be able to patch it for decades.

>And how long does it take you to ascend/core fusion/become as god on the other worlds?
Assuming its a linear relationship from getting planeswalker abilities to merging with your core, it takes 15.625 times longer (1250 years on Scar to ascend divided by eighty years to get planeswalking there). So just multiply the planeswalking threshold of each world by 15.625.

(That's a big "if", though. We're dealing with high powered supernatural phenomena, after all.)

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>>98094810
>Arrogant, ignorant, wholly against the point of science.
What is science to you? It’s actually incredible simple. Even idiots have been very good scientists for repeating stupid shit.

duh it becomes dark matter obviously and then when you turn back it turns into light matter again

>>98094815
No, I believe in science but you seem entirely incapable of philosophy or higher thought. You take the rules of the universe as they are told to you by others. Why would a world separate from ours follow the same rules?

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>>98094841
(And yes, people have pointed out that it was weird for the thief god to grant time powers.)

>>98094810
The physicist seeing a wizard polymorph a person isn’t pretending it’s impossible, moron. He saw it. He will immediately assume it’s some sort of “outside” phenomena to account for what can/can’t be done within existence as we know it.

>>98094850
Bahaha. I’m one of the first people to argue that it’s impossible to separate philosophy from science, you dipshit. You are arguing with someone non-existent.

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>>98094820
You can invent all sorts of bullshit for a fantasy universe.
Perhaps the mass is shunted through a higher dimension, perhaps it can come in and out of existence like particles in a computer simulation when a user activates a command. Maybe there was never such a thing as matter, and all things are just consciousness experiencing itself, following consistent rules only due to our belief in them.

>>98094859
>You can invent all sorts of bullshit for a fantasy universe.
There are limits. You can’t make a fiction that doesn’t have math. You can try to, but it will come across as deranged to the more sane readers.

>>98094762
Im sorry anon :(
Ive never burned a corpse before

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>>98094855
That's what I said. Why are you phrasing that like you're disagreeing with me?

>>98094859
>perhaps it can come in and out of existence like particles in a computer
If you actually knew how mass:energy worked you’d realize how stupid this sounds

>>98094857
Then why would you assume that a magical world had to follow the same laws as our world?

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>>98094868

Can you guys take this into your discord instead of shitting up our general?

>>98094868
My point was always your point, you’re just incapable of reading without hyperventilating.

Listen. Stop pretending it’s impossible, and start looking at the implications of the impossibility itself, instead. Christ.

It’s like entertaining time travel to the past. It cannot be done without assuming alternate timelines or universes exist. It makes no sense otherwise. Some logic requires predecessor foundations.

>>98094870
But how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>Do you guys have ideas for a one-pager?
I wanted to make an odysee cyoa but I think its above my current skill level so ill do something else first.

Furthermore I consider that tok must be destroyed

>>98094871
Because there are base aspects of any sort of existence that cannot be ignored even in fiction.

If you pretend that it’s possible for a fiction to not have math, then you’re sadly treating fiction, the imagination, as omnipotent within itself. It’s not. All fiction, and all imagination, is technically a projection of the real. It COMES from logic. The ancients wouldn’t have come up with endless ways to interpret the stars weren’t already there to look up to.

>>98094881
Hes ragebaiting bro. That or the jews were right and goys dont have souls or the capacity for higher thought.

>>98094881
Just say you’re an anti-determinist fool who thinks shit can arise from butt fuck nothing. You’re no different from Christians who think that nothing came before God (for this to work you’d have to assume God is literally All and Everything for it to loop or wrap back around on itself/Himself; but it’s doubtful God would even pay attention to any mere infinitesimal sliver of a sliver of a sliver (times infinity) of existence. As Einstein put it, “I believe in an uncaring, unaware god that never intervenes”.

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>>98094877
I wonder what conversation you believe you're having and with whom.
I don't think anybody has tried to argue anywhere that settings should be self-contradictory.
There's just someone ITT that keeps getting angry real-world physics aren't followed 100%.

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>>98094884
>The ancients

>>98094884
if they* weren’t already there to look up to

>>98094894
>There's just someone ITT that keeps getting angry real-world physics aren't followed 100%.
Some physics cannot be not followed. For a story or fiction to happen at all, this required causality. That’s physics.

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>>98094901
And this naturally leads to the conclusion that transformation spells are impossible?

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>>98094884
>>98094901

>>98094906
In our existence? Yes. It’s impossible to shapeshift without blowing up magnificently. That’s how our narrative played out. Arguing otherwise is like arguing that the killing curse from Harry Potter doesn’t actually kill people. “Well how do you know?”. Christ.

>>98094925
Genius finds out magic isn't real

>>98094908
lmao, my biology teacher actually wore that but with "no human is illegal" on there too
>>98094925
Please stop replying to the retard, he doesnt have a soul so talking about philosophy with him wont work. You guys are just spamming the thread.

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>>98094925
>In our existence?
No, not in our existence. Fundamentally. That was the whole point of what YOU were saying.
I'm pretty sure I'm getting trolled now, so I'm going to stop responding.

Somebody play something.
Make a build for the new version of Werebeast. >>98093078

>>98094945
>Somebody play something.
I'm not interested in old cyoas, please post OC.

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>>98093742
Gwendolyn should have been a hint damn it. Mixed it up with another build.

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>>98094950

status update on elden ring cyoa?

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>>98094945
Thanks for posting, anon. I don't think I've seen this one before. Has the author made any other cyoas?

>>98094810
This is all true but you are throwing pearls to a swine here, the matterfag isn't scientifically minded they are a debatefag.They are never going to care about finding the truth

>>98094934
What is magic to you?
>>98094937
I don’t think he’s retarded. This is fundamentally a communication issue.
>>98094945
I’m saying that even within fiction there are things you cannot avoid fictionally.

>>98094945
Did you just realise that the physicsqueer is the most badfaith offtopic shitposter to ever disgrace /cyoag/? are you new?

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>>98094597
don't care i will be the little girl

>>98094972
Well it's by me, so I can tell you what I've done.
>troll cyoa
>troll hunter
>witchmaster
>conduit awakening (fan reboot of conduit by Thrallherd)
>monster evolution (the one with making your own evolution tree)
>demonology
>build-a-wizard
>necromancy (the one with the animism worldbuilding)
>Werebeast
>monstergirl (the one with the hexes)
>interplanar
>alien >>98094810
>moon (same setting as alien btw)
>Earth 112/superhero cyoa (left unfinished)
>Boobaggedon >>98094859
>(founding a) magic school (two different cyoas with a lot of conceptual overlap)
>spirit being battle world
>psi magic
>ultimate card game
>donjon
>megacorp (the one where you do a bunch of math for no payoff)
>various lewds and conduit fanworks like trainstation

>>98095050
Thank you! I really liked interplanar and witchmaster.

>>98095050
>megacorp
Post? I need to steal some ideas for my megacorp cyoa

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>>98095061
Nice!
>>98095079
I'm not so proud of this one, but maybe there's something useful to salvage.

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>>98095095
I've been thinking, and a proper corporate distopia should really have a complicit state handing out monopoly rights.
But maybe the appeal of a cyberpunk megacorp isn't the social commentary at all.

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>>98095107

>>98095112
By the way: don't play this.
The numbers are all screwed up and you don't have enough perks to spend all your points on even if you don't optimize.

>>98095050
You should never have remade demonology. Fuck off. Don’t come back here ever again. You disgust me. I don’t think I hate any author more than you,

>>98095050
Did you also make >>98094894

>>98095127
Nope. Don't know who did.
It took over a few threads when it was new. Goes to show you don't need elaborate magic systems or grand scale worldbuilding to be popular.

>>98095050
Necromancy is your best work and even the matterfag praised it once, but now you’ve made an enemy of him, so beware.

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>>98095150
I'll tread lightly.

>>98095050
I liked many of your cyoa's, especially necromancy

>>98094217
Live Free, Secret Magic, Elemental Bond (Eath)
I can use the Gold Card to negate the negative consequences of making deals with Secret Magic, and as long as I just wear a stone ring or something like that I literally cannot die and thus can use the Card as much as I want. Also technically there's nothing stopping me from just selling my virginity over and over, using the Card to undo the loss each time.

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Elden Ring CYOA Devlog 5-23-2026
Classes have been finished. Pretty much all preproduction work has been done. Now I can assemble everything I've created into the first few pages that are initial character options/choices. This would have been faster, but I decided to make a google sheet for each class, so players have somewhere to start.

Looking to get those initial pages done this upcoming week. It's mostly creative work, which is so much faster since I don't need to make sure all the numbers line up, as that's covered by the class info.

Rolled 8, 16, 4, 8 = 36 (4d40)

>>98094217
Death is evil.

>>98095280
8: Linked In
>Live as an online technomantic ghost
"Abandon the material world [...] The real you did die"? How is this supposed to combine with any other immortalities? I assume it's just an option I can take at any time if I feel like it, so it doesn't override the other options right at start.

16: Family Line
>Gain extra lifespan from making babies. Also, as long as 1 descendant lives, you can resurrect in his body.
Good potentialmaxxing power.

4: Live Free
>-1 lifeyear: 20 minutes of everyone letting you do what you want.
Ambiguous: "when the card disappears, so do any unwanted consequences of actions taken", but also "retaliation may occur"? How to square that? But it synergizes with Family Line in that by killing myself and entering the body of one of my descendants, I can avoid any consequences anyhow as long as noone knows. And the 1 lifeyear cost can come from making babies with Family Line.

8: Linked In
Duplicate.

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>>98095050
Hi FriendlyDrop! Life treating you okay these days?

>>98095215
Am very curious to see how this will play

>>98095215
Need to get that good ending

I've slept six hours in the last three days and am starting to stumble and lament the gift of thought. D'yee aniggas have any kinos for this feel?

>>98095050
Thank you for your service. That is a stacked list and it means a lot to us.

>>98093652
The wonderful thing is that even if they were received well that can also ruin your motivation because now you've got to live up to the hype
>>98095445
Drugs?

>>98095514
No, not drugs. Just mental illness and bad time management.

>>98095050
>>various lewds and conduit fanworks like trainstation
Holy shit, that thing was around since before i joined the threads, you were older than i believed.

have a toktastic day

>>98095565
>sees thread
>"toktastic day"
I guess he's really ruining everything he touches huh

>>98095215
I'm gonna remake my Elden Ring dragon priestess build in this one

>>98092876
I refuse to believe anyone but Tok made this

>>98095565
That's quite rude.

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ObgmLnSo5yEod3g8r08FV_4Hc72s4RHK


>>98072081
>>98072087
Nice you actually took the time to make a build, sorry for the late reply, was refining my old build.
Liked your take on Gunter´s letter, turning into some Robert Baratheon shitter, longing for better days.

>Although him offering me the crown implies either things haven't worked out very well, or they have worked out well enough that he wants to jump ship.
Mihrdat´s offer is most liekly a trap and his actions have probably not made them like Southlanders any more. Reading some shit tankista posted on reddit, makes this even more of a nope situation.

>Merging with the original.
>Yes the marriage is still on.
You want a fourway with both Savmaks and Kalliopa? That is something, still leaves the question on how he ends up possessing her?

>Being that she is trying to extend her life, this will almost certainly result in her doing something interesting.
That OUK is so broken, SRTR gets nothing remotely close to it. Regarding Dirk, are you trying to split the crazy from him or something?

>Pretend not to like 0^0.
>Canary.
Opoia and Panasagor´s solutions/deaths are funny, also only one of them seem like a solution. Anon gave up on saving Panasagor.


The Deaths you gave your parents are brutal and your own death is diabolical. Trying to put your hands on the 12th(assuming they are a woman ofc). But i don´t think your pixie is coming back through, since you died a true death via your letter, making it hers as well.


The main reson i wanted to see a new build was to motivate myself to refine my own, so thanks for that. Your optimization of the languages to generate points gave me insane numbers. My final calculations of the build ended with (-4d/+2a).
Also cognitive speed is free with Laika and Everman gives you 0points from quietened, not +1d.


Now i´m curious of your original build, since you mentioned having made one already.

>>98095215
I am currently making a Be the Boss cyoa where you customize yourself as a boss in a soulslike world, it would be fun to release it along the elden ring cyoa

>>98095861
That's real cool! I'm still probably a month out at minimum, considering my slow rate of progress.

>>98093824
>Dioclecian Aurelianus, Lord of Conquest
That's a mouthful. Let's shorten that to Dicinanus, Lord of Cucks

>>98095938
pffft, Xargod approves

>>98095215
>>98095861
Awesome

>>98094421
Transformations don't take place in same dimension. As a giga-tricked human that thinks matter is the most powerful force in the universe, you wouldn't get it.

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>>98093516
that poor spider

>>98095938
I smiled

>>98094835
>Scar is the original setting for Dawn of a Demon Lord, and had almost three pages worth of lore and character bios. Anduin trimmed it way, way back to make room for the other world choices.
And good thing too. Imagine being stuck on a lousy weeb world with multiple OP anime protagonist heroes that can be replaced quickly. That would be torture!

>>98094835
Yeah, this fits with something I was thinking; if cores generate global points and you're stuck on a world until you can ascend, then picking a long-ascend world would be a good way to build yourself up without having to be indebted to Anastasia.

>>98094894
Job: Gang Member

>Universal Translator, Free
>Station Map, -4
>NOBOT, -4
>YOBOT, -4
>Maintenance Access, -10
>Toolband, -2
>Rebreather, -2
>Snacks, -1
>Jumpsuit, -1
>Alien Pet - Small, -2
>Stun Gun, Free

The plan is to do my best to get in good with my gang. With the tunnel access I should be able to get in and out of areas they need me to and having the map with the bot upgrades will make navigation easier and safer.

Having pizza and wine through the snack option will break up the monotony of the nutrient cubes and water. The rebreather is pretty much mandatory for long term maintenance exploration and opens up my options of where to run and hide if I'm ever in trouble. The jumpsuit and toolband are just for utility and comfort.

Having personal quarters would have been nice but it takes up a pretty good chunk of credits. Hopefully the gang has a safe and comfortable area I can stay in. Any of the Serums are also tempting, but again, way to many credits. No, I'm happy with the versatility all my little bits and pieces affords me.

>>98095050
>ultimate card game
Is that the one that's basically Duelist City Yugioh? If so there were parts of it unfinished.

>>98095215
Based. Been looking forward to it.

>>98095655
Also based.
Maybe I should do the same with my 'Shepherd of Rosus' grave keeper.

>>98095797
>Your optimization of the languages to generate points gave me insane numbers
The core starting idea for this build was the palatiner spam with siblings, to allow for maximum friendship
It's actually surprisingly limited by the cost of tutoring people

The next update is slated to remove the number-crunchy benefits of languages, and I think it will likely make for a better experience. Faster and more thematic

>You want a fourway with both Savmaks and Kalliopa?
When I list 2 things and one comment I usually only mean to comment on the second
Kalliopa is planned to simply take the throne and rule as a very friendly neighbor, and her mental split was one of the least disruptive likely deaths (Unless she develops an evil side in which case fuck me I guess)
There will be some sex with paxxia but It's scheduled to happen before I meet savmak

>Regarding Dirk, are you trying to split the crazy from him or something?
I don't have any specific plan because I don't know any specific spells, but I'm mainly thinking about getting the piece of the old throne out before the second war of heaven and earth starts up
All I'm certain of is that there will at some point be a ritual so split things from him and this ensures it happens

I think it's questionable what "Destiny" means here, in that my "Destiny" hasn't resolved until the 12th chooses me
A pixie themself can choose su'uq, and can die and be reborn without su'uq dying (I assume), so it's up to the writers to decide whether or not my temporary death is my "Destiny".
(Although I would really hope not)
(And if her fate were to die and come back like me then it would occur trivially given that she is a pixie)

>Now i´m curious of your original build, since you mentioned having made one already.
https://rentry.co/CyoaORBuild001
If you're wondering about the other 6 they are all unfinished, and are focussed on combos and themes I'd like to use someday.

>myself to refine my own
Post rentry link

>no good cyoas posted all thread
what the shuck

Anon?

>>98096430
Yes dear?

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>>98096492

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>>98096496

this is a long-ass cyoa

>>98096512
It's probably not even in the top 100 longest CYOAs of all time.

>>98094894
>Bodyguard

>Universal Translator*
>Jumpsuit
>Toolband

>Alien Pet x2

>Xenoserum

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My power grows as I get fatter

>>98096544
Fucking hell it genuinely might not be. Isn't Traveler fucking 400 pages long or am I thinking of something else?

>>98096579
The Traveler's Tale 2 pdf 162 pages of pure text. The first version with images is only 32 pages.

>>98096605
Okay im glad I Mandelaed it and it wasnt actually 400 pages

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>>98095529
I'm so old, when I made >>98095163 the starting quotes were the opening lines of all cyoas of note that existed at the time. There weren't that many yet.
>>98095405
I have a grownup job and house now, which is weird.
>>98096041
Ultimate Card Game is this one

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>>98096800

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>>98096802

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Did cyoas ever get a life outside /tg/. I believe there's a low-traffic subreddit and a dead spacebatttles general. Is that all?

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>>98096868

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>>98096873

>>98096868
Where else are there people worth recruiting?
That isn't rhetorical, actually where else? Even other parts of 4chan are pretty iffy

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>>98096868
/v/ sometimes. Usually "choose your starter" meme threads and people bitching over DEX vs STR type shit.

>>98095514
That's the plan, I'll release all of them and then stop being an author for good, get my discord invitation and join the ranks of divine figures like gil

>>98096890
One of the "memorial" posts after 4chan was hacked and people assumed it wouldn't be back up for some reason cited 4chan as the origin of choice images. So there must be people coming across them somewhere.