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Post cool TFs with old timey/historical alt modes.
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3P thread: >>6658998

First images of Takara's "version" of PotP figures:
>https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/stock-images-of-takara-tomy-transformers-power-of-the-prime-pp01-to-pp09/40231/

Images of MP Sunstreaker's box:
>http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/12/07/takara-tomy-mp-39-masterpiece-sunstreaker-box-images-354931

New pictures for upcoming Movie Edition figures (Blackout, Brawl and RotF Megatron):
>http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/12/05/transformers-movie-series-leader-blackout-revealed-354841
>http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/movie-edition-voyager-megatron.1131095/

Leaked early 2018 figures:
>https://imgur.com/a/UW5BQ
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OUR COUNTRY IS IN DANGER
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>>6663182
fuck off antilinkfag
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>>6663160
Speaking of retro, that spitfire jet fire from the last movie needs a toy.
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How's this dude? I hear he's one of the better TR Leaders, and I prefer how he looks to Overlord.
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THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE TRANSFORMERS ON EARTH?
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Feels good man.
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>>6663190
Absolutely. I'd buy a whole toyline of TFs that turned into old warbirds. A Spitfire, a Hurricane, a Mustang etc. Or how about a Seeker that turned into a Stuka "Panzerknacker" like pic related?
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>>6663195
Unless a figure was a main character in the movie or G1, I doubt we're going to see that level of creativity in Transformers every again.
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>>6663185
OUR WAIFU IS WITH A STRANGER
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It looks like Hot Rod is the one got changed here instead of the ones got revealed recently because no stickers
Takara are you okay??????
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>>6663195
>>6663196
We were going to get a WWII TF film before Lorenzo and Spielberg had to say something.
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>>6663191
>I hear he's one of the better TR Leaders
He is, get him.
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Breaking the silence after many months, director Michael Bay opened up on the future of the Transformers Live Action Movie Franchise.

Commenting via his official Instagram account, the director stated the following:

“Well 4.5 billion dollars later, 100s of millions of people saw the Transformers movies – I’d say it had great run. Any Studio would take this franchise series success. That said. Now it’s time to take this franchise in a totally new direction.”

We currently do not know whether Mr. Bay will return to the director’s chair or will prefer the backseat as a producer, but his statement implies that he is involved in some way. Michael Bay’s Transformers Live Action Movie Series (a.k.a. Bayverse) helped the Franchise to get in touch with the modern audience and make the characters household names once again. We look forward to see what the series has to offer in the future.
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So, that RID minicon hunter Grimlock, is it any good?
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>>6663198
Same toy.
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>>6663198
He seems to have the most significant clor change but its weird. The Hot Rod mode is red but Rodimus seems to burgundy but they did a piss poor separation of those colors so they look off in robot mode. Should have just gone all in with burgundy.
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Hey /tfg/ caption this.

>>6663216
>most significant color change but its weird.
Its just different lighing, its the same toy man.
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>>6663219
Yeah, noticed after the comparison got posted. Man, hasbro really needs to work on their pictures.
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>mfw Takara PotP
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>>6663210
Look at this, it can do this, you should get it because it can do this.
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>>6663223
>upset that I not tempted to buy pigs with lipstick on them because there's no lipstick
No, not really. I'd say that I'm saving more money for MP, but with how shitty Sunbowstreaker looks, I'm saving even more money there. Time to get into 3P, I guess.
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By the way TR fortmax was on sale for 80 bucks yesterday hope anyone who didnt have one got one like i did during the sale
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>>6663227
>Time to get into 3P, I guess.
Welcome aboard, anon.
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>>6663225
>the often derided RID toy can do what the POTP dinobots were supposed to but won't
Nice.
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I JUST WANTED TERRORCONS WITH TOON ACCURATE PAINT DAMMIT
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>G1 crap
To trash it goes!
>>6663194
Beautiful...
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>>6663244
>cartoon accurate
Honestly, if they heard you they could do with two runners per figure and skimp on all paint.
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>>6663244
Unite warriors 2: ankle boogaloo might get unafected, maybe they focus the budget there with the missing weapomgs and mold retooling.

Speaking of, shame they didn't gave us Dreadwing Power/prime Master.
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>>6663258
>maybe they focus the budget there with the missing weapomgs and mold retooling.
A valid point. Grimlock alone needs a lot of attention.
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>>6663257
To be fair I just want the feet and hands to use the darker purple and abominus' head to be a purple helmet with red shades, that looks way better than the toy colors imo
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>>6663255
>I hate things that look good and prefer shredded metal crap

And this is why a racist hack like Michael Bay makes money- morons.

Oh please, his movies depict blacks the way Birth of a Nation did.
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Chances of Takara releasing the main man, or will he be 'merrican exclusive?
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You know, I for one am sad that we never got a TR Leader class Big Convoy, which transformed from a mammoth sculpted similarly to Alpha Trion/Lio Convoy's lion mode (so mechanical but with bits of pseudo-organic muscle/hair) into a big beastly technoviking robot mode and had a base mode styled after a stone age mammoth bone hut. Extra points if it got a Nemesis Prime redeco ala Universe.
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>>6663291
B-But the movie designs look realistic! G1 looks like a cartoon/toy!
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>>6663311
Doesn't really matter since Takara's would have no differences anyway :^)
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>>6663311
Too soon to tell. Sometimes they don't bother with basic repaints, but occasionally they do, as with LG G2 Megatron.
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>>6663313
>and had a base mode styled after a stone age mammoth bone hut
Stop. I can only get so erect. I would love anything Big Convoy related.
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>>6663267
Pretty much this. I want my Slag to have a red face with blue visor, and I want my Abominus/Hun-Gurr to have a purple helmet with red visor/silver face.
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>>6663317
End of the day Bay made more money than G1. There is no way you people can explain around it.

People with money prefer Michael Bay. While basement dwellers prefer stupid 80s cartoon designs.
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>>6663336
So true. G1 fags on suicide watch.
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>>6663336
No. Kids preferred Michael Bay because it was what their mommies took them to see in the theater, so those are the toys they wanted, and kids are still responsible for a majority of toy consumption.
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>>6663336
And people with taste prefer neither.
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>>6663291
Poor boy, you got offended by Transformers? Go kys then, you aren't worthy of life.
*sigh*
SJWs can't even keep their disguise properly these days.
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>>6663313
man dat nigga ugly
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>>6663291
You don't have to like the movies to enjoy a different aesthetic, anon.
Also
>complaining about racism and being on 4chan
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The ABSOLUTE state of Takaracucks
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>>6663336
>thinking nay of this is factual knowing how scummy Hollywood is

These are people who claim piracy is killing them. The numbers are whatever they say they are. Hollywood wants these films to look popular.

People with money claim Bay's shit does well, that's all. Trump proved rich people are dishonest. INB4 Bay is outed for molesting half the female cast and he finally stops making movies. Oh wait, he supports Trump, he's safe.

>>6663340
Given 99% of the mainline stuff is G1, you can go fuck yourself.
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>Hasbrocucks celebrating the fact that stickered, unpainted, yellowed plastic turds are the only option now
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>>6663462
>opinion that right
>he even has a bionicle picture
u got the touch
u got the power
m8
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>>6663463
too fat
try again
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>>6663457
these numbers are from hasbro earnings reports given out to shareholders. there are actual laws that are enforced that make it illegal for hasbro to lie about their earnings.
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What would you do for you made a toyline.

For me It'd be a mix of Titan Returns 2.0 and a new gimmick that's basically robots with trailer platforms that turn into weapons.

>Legends

>Huffer/Pipes
>Eject (exclusive)/Frenzy
>Triggerbots (Override, Dogfight & Backstreet)
>Triggercons (Ruckus, Crankcase & Windsweeper)
>Slamdance/Squawkbox

>Deluxes (would all be Titan Masters)

>Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen
>Tracks/Road Rage/Loud Pedal (exclusive)/Vehicons (based on Devastation design)
>Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert
>Siren/Nightbeat
>Hosehead
>Horri-Bull (heavy retool of Skullsmasher)
>Fangry (retool of Grotusque)
>Squeezeplay/Repugnus
>Spinister/Rotorstorm
>Needlenose
>Quickmix
>Landfill/Wideload/Dirt Bag (Exclusive)
>Punch/Counterpunch

Voyagers: (some are titan master triplechangers, while others have trailer platform)

>Apeface (triplechangers)
>Snapdragon (triplechangers)
>Ironhide/Ratchet/Oil Slick (exclusive) (platformers)
>Pyro (platformers)
>Iron Fist (same mold as Crankcase but released at Voyager scale with platformer accessories)
>Shockwave/Nitro Zeus (triplechanger)
>Doubledealer (retool of TR Blitzwing) (exclusive)
>Flattop (repaint of TR Broadside) (exclusive)

Leaders:

>Thunderclash/Optimus Prime (G1 styled Armada Prime)
>Clench/Megatron (G1 styled DOTM Megatron)
>Skyquake/Starscream (Machine Wars based)
>Soundblaster (repaint of TR Soundwave)
>Twincast (exclusive repaint of TR Blaster)
>Dai Atlas (retool of TR Sky Shadow)

Titans:

Omega Supreme/Omega Sentinel (Exclusive repaint)
Scorponok/Black Zarak (Exclusive repaint)
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>>6663510
You had me at Pipes.

Then you had me even more at Hosehead.
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>>6663510
Sure everythings sounds nice but how could you forgot about motherfukin COUNTDOWN?
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why do you do this takara ;_;
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>>6663539
"We aporogise. Hasbro no ronger ret us use paint. They rocked them in cabinet too tarr for us to reach"
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>>6663538

maybe the next line could be micromasters and bases.

good idea though mate.
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>>6663539
We only had so much budget for our priority projects!
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>>6663539
First thing I'm doing when I get this toy is ripping off those tacky stickers. Second thing I'm doing is whipping out my silver paint and painting those shitty unpainted rims

At least I can just buy the Hasbro version now instead of waiting nearly half a year.
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>>6663555
I just can't enjoy buying car bots anymore because of those peg wheels.
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Takara wins again... !
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>>6663560
Sorry bro, just like paint, full wheels aren't in the budget anymore. Better get used to stickers and clip on wheels, they're never going away.
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>>6663563
>the blue fist dream is dead
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>>6663567
honestly there meme poster, last main line toy I bought was December last year, and it was Hardhead.
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>this is the state of takara right now
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>>6663563
That fucking photogrpher fan of drab colors, the red is similar to Mp10s red.
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>>6663185
>>6663197
>>6663150
Keep going with this friend.

Thing is I'm not sure if it's two or three or four of us.

Couple weeks ago someone posted OUR WORLD IS IN DANGER for the first time, and I lost my fucking shit during a lecture. I then decided to honor him by reposting it several times.

Then you came along with the jazz version, and then either you or someone else made the hot rod/ rodimus one with our waifus are with a stranger.

I'm so happy. One guy made a good joke, I reposted it and now it's a meme.

Keep posting bro
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>>6663582
That's not MP10 in that picture.
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>>6663601
It's not? Did they use a 3p figure again?
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>>6663601
>>6663609
It's Hasbro's MP Optimus with toyhax labels and ugprade kits (or downgrade kit in the case of that retarded arm kit)
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>Hasbro making overpriced garbage
>Takara forced to make the same overpriced garbage
>MPs are overpriced sunbow garbage and overpriced BW garbage

Is this is? Am I finally free? I can stop collecting.
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>>6663620
What do you even like since you hate everything
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>>6663628
double-digit parts counts
complex tampographs
5, 15, 20 and 30$ price tags
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>>6663628
I think he likes toys that actually have good quality, anon.

I'm sorry that you're too young to remember the RTS and 2010-11 Generations days when this franchise was at its peak.
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>>6663635
Jesus christ, it pains me to think this was the bogstandard quality for a Deluxe not even an entire decade ago. What have we become?
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What are some Transformers i can cuddle
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>>6663563
why would anyone pay $80 for the Takara version of this when for a bit more you can just get the MP Prime its a discount version of
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>>6663645
Metroplex, Fortress and Trypticon, of course :3
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>>6663645
Fuck you
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>>6663649
b-but anon, don't you think that blue "Takara" sticker on the box is worth the extra 30 dollars over the bogstandard retail one? It's more exclusive!
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>>6663635
But that wasn't the franchise's peak at all.
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>>6663671
Yes it was.
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>>6663673
If you liked War For Cybertron garbage and movie toys.
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https://www.toysrus.com/product?productId=D9762B4D
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>>6663692
Sold the fuck out kill me
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>>6663711
its not sold out, it hasnt gone up for sale yet
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>Tried painting Skyshadow's headmaster's face

holy fuck I have found new respect for all the slave wage vietnamese child labour they have making these toys doing that shit was HARD.

I made pretty sloppy work out of the mouth area but eh it still looks better than it did without paint.
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>>6663712
Oh shit, I signed up for a notification of when it's available
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>>6663336

What good is money if the only thing that's for sale is dogshit?
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>>6663620
Not so fast. You're missing the last part of the God Collector triumvate.
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>>6663772
almost all third party toys are shit. I have a bunch and I regret buying almost all of them.
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>>6663726
>holy fuck I have found new respect for all the slave wage vietnamese child labour they have making these toys doing that shit was HARD.
They use three-dimensional stencils and an airbrush.
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>>6663821
I use my penis
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>>6663821
Yeah but it's more fun to imagine them using sharpened toothpicks soaked in gundam marker paint like how I did it, though
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Gonna spam this a bit. Looking for the 3d printed Dinobot from Steel Planet. Contacted a Facebook page but no response. Any help?
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>>6663774
I d9n't rrsd this often enough, until recently I bought about one 3p figure a year. They look nice, but by god are they shit. I regret every purchase.

The one release I was the least sour about was the original maketoys battle tanker because it was pretty fun partsforming up my he kei laser optimus.

After that I fell for the Unique Toys meme. Provider and mania king, both aesthetically appealing, both definitely have nightmare transformations. The plastic is so course, with such sharp edges, as if it doesn't want to be played with.

Same goes for Toyworld Orionvil, my most recent purchase from a year ago. I regretted it straight from the first time I transformed it. Fuck the fucking shill reviewers who praise pieces of shit like this.

Such odd choices the 3rd parties make:
>all transformation joints are supertight
>sharp edges all over, you can cut yourself on any panel
>coarse, almost grainy plastic
>transformations with ZERO room for parts to move around

Then I got myself a TR Triggerhappy and I remembered what the fuck this hobby is all about to me, playing.

Third parties drop the ball in that area, they pander to the MP completionists who'll sell their own mother for a MP Omega Supreme, but they forget there's a whole market for adult collectors, with money, who want to enjoy a good smooth piece of plastic.

Iron factory looks like they might be playing a different game from the rest of them, but I'm not spending the money to risk such disappointment again.

This is why wei Jiang and kubianbao do so well, they dont fuck with the recipe for success, they just multiply/divide the ingredients to make an appropriately sized portion to your taste.

tl;dr fuck 3p
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>>6663871
Fuck.

"I don't read this often enough"****
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>>6663871
>UT
>Toyworld
Both of those are shit companies, no wonder why you're upset. Protip: 3P figures require research. You can't just jump in. You need to figure out which companies are reliable, and from there, find out about their individual figures on a case by case basis. Watch reviews. Ask people in the 3PG. Don't just buy shit, and don't trust every review complicitly, you'll set yourself up for failure. Shit, one company sent a perfect copy of a figure for reviews, and then every copy a regular person got their hands of was raw dog shit, a literal bait and switch.
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>>6663869
With the MP out there..why? After the cost of paint and time and all it'll almost certainly be $200, too.
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>>6663871
Those are trash figures from trash companies, anon. I agree that 3P is mixed bag, but there's many good ones out there too. You just have to sift through the shit to find them. Like you mentioned, Iron Factory is one of the good ones.
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>>6663871
>Iron factory looks like they might be playing a different game from the rest of them, but I'm not spending the money to risk such disappointment again.

$35 Legends fuck that. Unless they are literal shrunken down MPs as far as quality goesthat's not worth it. At that size class, there's so much diminishing returns past a certain point no matter how much articulation put into it. One area that's nice for 3Ps though is larger scales, though. a lot of 3P MPs are only a little over $100 for some pretty large toys, and considering how the collectors market is now that's actually a good deal.
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>"I don't like 3P!"
>proceeds to list off well known pieces of shit as the only 3Ps they own

There are absolutely tons of good 3P figures, you just need to do a little research and look for unbiased opinions before spending any money. Never pre-order anything unless it's a TRUSTED company (e.g. Fanstoys, Maketoys, Ironfactory, few others) and don't give shill reviewers youtube shekels, go to 3P communities and look for opinions and suggestions to find what's good.

It does kind of suck having to go an extra mile to avoid being burned by a bad purchase, but calling 3Ps shit as a whole because of the bad figures will only cause you to miss out on the good ones.
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>>6663889
>There are absolutely tons of good 3P figures,

No, there aren't. I've gotten figures that people keep stroking their dicks to yet still ended up sucking once I get them in hand. Maketoys is a meme. Their figures are ugly and overfiddly as fuck. Fanstoys MPs are even shittier than official MPs.
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>>6663892
This.
Also, what is up with 3p's on the repaint/retool life?

Seriously PE's core magnus could have been fantastic, instead it's a fake windowed ginrai repaint. For shame.
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>>6663892
>Maketoys is a meme. Their figures are ugly and overfiddly as fuck. Fanstoys MPs are even shittier than official MPs.

I can't tell if this is hastak fanboyism talking or shit taste talking
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>>6663900
Collectivist ideology is suppression of reality.
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>>6663884
The price depends upon the figure. IF Shockwave you could get for $20-ish, for example. The bigger ones or two packs, or ones with tons of accessories go for more obviously.
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>>6663900
>visible pins showing
>shitty geometric shapes that look like they were made by someone new to CAD modeling
>lazy """"""""cybertronian"""""""" alt mode because they couldn't figure out how to design a transformation that's actually good
>this is the epitome of quality for 3Pfags

Don't even get me started on how 3P designers can't do face sculpts to save their fucking life.
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>>6663899
fantastic fake windowed ginrai repaint*
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>>6663907
>they couldn't figure out how to design a transformation that's actually good
I half agree for Striker, but its literally the classics Prime transformation
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>>6663907
Now what we know who you feel about Striker Manus, how do you feel about MP Sunstreaker?
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>>6663899
Basically any transforming toy is going to need to get some repaints to break even. Let me put it this way, most figures are based off humans, and there's a lot of reuse any given line based on human characters can do witha mold. hot toys, some of the most expensive figures out there, while featuring unique sculpting for almost every release, also rely on the main body being a couple of reused stock bodies between various releases.

But with Transformers, or any transforming toy, it's basically a unique mold for every new design. Naturally this can get costly, especially for smaller companies, so they offer up retools to get more buyers.
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>People selling LG Minerva and Cab for 70 or 90 bucks EACH

Well fuck me.
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>>6663918
Every time I see this fucker the Price is Right fail horn goes off in my head
https://youtu.be/_asNhzXq72w
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>>6663919
>hot toys, some of the most expensive figures out there
>hot toys
>expensive
>can't even LOOK at a 3P combiner without $600 in your pocket
>actual expensive shit like dolls will literally ruin you financially
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>>6663892
>he doesn't know about T H I C C hobby

Perfect qc, heft, and diecast. I cant for their g2 tank megs.
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>>6663927
You too? Shit anon, you might be my twin. Poor Sunstreaker, he didn't deserve this.
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>>6663892
Maybe you just have shit taste. Had that thought ever crossed your mind?
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>>6663933
Forgot pic
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>>6663933
>Perfect qc
Hey, I love FH more than most probably do, but their first Monsterbot had a bum arm on my copy. They sent me a full replacement limb free of charge and made a video showing me how to replace it though, so I can't really hold it against them.
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>>6663774
Pics with timestamp or you're a gigantic faggot.
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>Delusional walmart trash buying poorfags insist that all third party toys are shit so they can feel better about all the toys they can't afford

>Cherry picking the very worst trash figures from trash companies from years ago to prove their point
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Hey, I love shitting on a tasteless faggot as much as the next guy, but let's try to keep to the thread topic. Unofficial discussion should be on the /3pg/ thread.
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>>6663938
I did that last time with some maketoys figures and 3P fags just went "n-n-no th-those figures don't count!" like they always fucking do.
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>>6663946
>I bought this one shit toy that everyone knew was shit but I bought it anyway all 3P toys are bad by association.

Not only are you wrong you're also fucking retarded. Stupid subhuman poorfag.
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>>6663924
>Some idiots will buy these

Just wait for Titans Return 2.
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>>6663942
Those two aren't the best example. I'm sure their engineering is great but they just don't look very cool.Not like, Laser Optimus cool, you know?
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>>6663951
>>I bought this one shit toy that everyone knew was shit

Um, no. They were dick sucking it like 3Pfags do with pretty much every Maketoys figure. If I bought that ugly obese PMOP in your pic and listed all the points wrong with it you'd probably just backpedal and go
>n-no everyone knew it was bad all along it's not my fault you bought a shit figure!!
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>>6663959
(Angry poverty noises)
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>It's all bad and shit and I hate it I don't like it's colors mean poo poo 3P go away REEEEEE
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>>6663962
This is 99% a cool figure but why did they get the arm shields upside down?
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I mean, honestly, I personally wouldn't mind just merging the threads into a mega Transforming Toys General, /TTG/ (tm), but I know some people are prone to endless bickering. Then there are those who can't stand any sort of conflict at all. What's one to do? Can't win 'em all.
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>>6663892
Striker Manus is amazing but admittedly I only like it as an action figure. I didn't find the transformation very fun and I don't care for the look of the truck mode much.
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>>6663973
The best solution is /ITG/ and /MTG/; Import Transformers General and Mainline Transformers General. This keeps the trash in one bin and the collectors in another. The Has vs Tak shitposting dies and the 3P/MP market bleeds a lot more than the high end/kids toys market does.

In the end, I don't care if it merges either as a lot of people buy a little of everything, but giant fucking retards baiting tard wranglers in this thread would cause shitstorms every time. Not like the mainline thread isn't already a giant shitposting fest. 3P thread is mostly chill most of the time because everyone is an adult or at least well behaved manchildren. This thread is full of mental toddlers, literal children who can't afford nice things, and just garden variety shitposters. I'm not sure what attracts shitposters here specifically, but it happens. I remember when the 3a fag burned down three threads because he was posting pics of the 400 dollar starscrream here which caused so much autistic screeching that 3 threads were pruned.

It's full fucking retard.
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>>6663877
I'm a hands on kind of guy and I already have all the tools I need to fix him up. Not a fan of the Masterpeice either.
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>>6663336
And us Beast Wars babies are happy that Hasbro left the water running for us to suckle the pipes.
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>>6663979
Which is kinda bullshit because then its just a vaguely Optimus looking robot with good articulation. The sentinel pen looks more like Optimus and is probably better articulated.
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>>6663934
A lot of people seem to dislike him. With that and his stupid price tag, I wonder if he'll sell poorly. I hope so, then maybe Takara will rethink their shitty MP direction.
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>>6664008
He seems in line with the post inferno ultra toonshit direction. They're great toys they just look bland as fuck and suffer from paint and tolerance issues.
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>>6664008
My biggest gripe is all those broken up parts that are easily visible, it's like Megatron but even worse. Shit, if you're going to do that, make an effort of hiding it well.
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I hope we get a new Motormaster in less than a decade. It's all that's needed to make Menasor good, a better torso.
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>>6664024
They could make another one, but it doesn't meant it will combine.

I'd wait for a third party to make a new CW compatible one (still weird they made fucking Onslaught, of all torso bots, first).
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>>6664008
What is their direction anymore? Yeah its toon accuracy, but with new g1 figures so few and far between and so much of the Season 1/2 autobot cast left to go I wonder if they actually do have a plan to finish it.
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>>6664035
Considering how many releases they keep pumping out, it woudln't surprise me if they come close to finishing them in the next 5 years. I just hope they learn from the mistakes of Megatron and Sunstreaker.
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>3p fags and official cucks arguing
>meanwhile diaclone master race watches and laughs while eating their luxury top ramen because that's all they can afford now
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>>6663942
>trash IDW designs
A fool and his money
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>>6664042
Every time I see Daiclone stuff I feel like my wallets on fire.
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>>6664012
>>6664022
>>6664008
For me it's not the toon look really. It's that he looks like a mess of jumbled panels, and the toon head. The cartoon face/head is a total piece of shit. I could deal with the rest of him, if the face wasn't such raw garbage and the body wasn't a mess of panels. He looks worse than Megatron. I can only imagine how badly he's going to scrape and how many tolerances are going to be fucked up due to the paint and Takara's QC going down the toilet.
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>>6663892
I have gunfighter. Shit was disappointing.
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>>6664051
The jumbled panels are there only because they're trying to emulate the toon look, though. They have to make the transformation more complex to match it.
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I sold my Classics/Universe Sunstreaker because I thought I could replace him with the MP, now I'm having mixed feelings. Not sure what to do next. Also my only Sideswipe now is G2 MP Sideswipe.
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>>6664045
>angry poverty noises
>>6664042
Excellent taste friend. IMS version on preorder and I hope a diabattles mold is released in matching colors.
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Okay /tfg/, which would you prefer:
>Takara releases Hasbro figs with no or minimal differences, end of story, all you get
OR
>Takara releases figures with minimal differences, then 3 years later releases them again with paint but in weird way or too slavishly show accurate.
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>>6664051
I like the face sculpt a lot. I agree about everything else, though.
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>>6664077
>Polishing a turd

Wait for MP/3P.
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>>6664070
Not judging you for selling your stuff, but why not wait? Why sell it before you know you 100% want the MP?
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>>6664024
>3p makes a figure
>Has great look and inventive transformation
>absolute shit qc that ruins every mode
>truck has needless partsforming
>missing tabs fucking everywhere

Can we get someone to do an improved KO please?
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Did Grotusque just show up in TRU today? I just want to know if they just put it up, or if he sold out already.
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>>6664092
I was hoping the MP to be better, but worst case scenario I'd buy the TR one or something to fill in for Sunstreaker or maybe a better Sunstreaker would appear one day.
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>>6664100
>or maybe a better Sunstreaker would appear one day
Do you like Legends class figures?
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>>6664070
>Also my only Sideswipe now is G2 MP Sideswipe.
Well that's the best Sideswipe ever, so...
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>>6663899
That PE mold is excellent.

If anything, if they can get the price down around a voyager price and have all sort of color variants i am sure plenty will be willing to pick more than one up.

Imagine EVA or gundam theme with that mold.
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>>6664106
>inb4 people bitch about them having too much greebling because sunbowcucks think anything besides a completely flat surface is "greebles"
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>>6664106
How big is that Devastator there?
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>>6664082

All of the MP wannabe turd party Sprangwangs are kinda garbage, tbqh.

This mold desperately needs an OS Weijiang treatment.
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>>6663563
>fist are STILL grey
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>>6664133
My problem is less with the greebling, and more that fucking G2 Go-bots have more cohesive and realistic car modes.
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>>6664133
The goddamn MP has more "greebling" than anything because he's 99% fucking panel lines thanks to his design.

>>6664135
Uhh..I dunno. 12-ish+ inches. Maybe more. I don't own that figure, I think he's probably around 14 or 16 tops. He is a CHUG Devy by GT. Hope you got $600 if you want it.
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>>6664106
soso, I usually like legends for characters that were meant to be small which Hasbro/Takara has been doing more lately (Shockwave aside).
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th-the combiner boxsets will still be different, r-right?
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Honestly guys, just get what you like. I love beast wars but I passed on Cheetor and Dinobot because I disliked their altmodes (and dinobots overpriced). I have a handful of 3PT's, but it's mostly either a character or concept I like or I just think it's a cool toy.
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>>6664077
How about neither of that and I'm only gonna keep buying stuff that's handled like UW and LG
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>>6663336
>End of the day Bay made more money than G1. There is no way you people can explain around it.
Having a movie to promote the toys kind of helps.
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>>6664051
It was ALWAYS going to have the toon head. Every Masterpiece figure has had the toon head. Even if this came out immediately after Wheeljack, it was going to have the toon head.
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>>6664136
>This mold desperately needs an OS Weijiang treatment.
I said the same thing recently. It's already a great figure, I'd love to see how Weijiang could improve on it.
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>>6664146
I need more IF legends in my life. their Shockwave is fantastic.
Reminds me, i need to get my hand on their Acidstorm but that fucker is kinda pricy
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>>6664145
>that fucking G2 Go-bots have more cohesive and realistic car modes.
????
Of all your complaints about Sunstreaker, it's that his CAR MODE isn't "cohesive" or "realistic"?
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>>6664267
Yeah, he's pricey only because he's a limited thing. He's what, $50 with...Basically nothing? Starscream was $40-ish and came with a stand, cape parts, alt head, Megs handgun, body for a Ghostscream build-a-figure.
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>>6664278
Fuck, no wonder.
Guess i can skip him and save for their Warpath and tarn
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>>6664227
That's true, it would have been majorly based on the toon head, as all previous carbots have been, but on top of actually having silver paint and a defined facial structure they probably would have gone "you know what this is bland and ugly as fuck" and put the vents on his mogwai ears and added a little extra details to the helmet in general to make it more interesting to look at, just like all previous MP carbots.

The only MP (of that era) to have a straight 100% cartoon accurate head was Smokescreen, and people thought it was ugly as fuck then too.

>>6664268
>debadged lambo

By far the most unrealistic carbot to date.

>>6664278
Their acid storm was some chinese con exclusive if I recall correctly, so half of that 50$ is just "ULTRA RARE LIMITED EDITION BUY NOW" markup.
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>>6664285
>>6664289
It's been on sale on a bunch of sites. Supposedly limited to 1,000 pieces or some shit. The other Seekers at least come with build a figure parts for Ghostie or Creamcicle. But yeah, I'm skipping Green Guy, and you're talking to someone who bought all of the other Seekers/Coneheads.
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>>6664289
All the heads of that era are 100% cartoon accurate though.
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>>6664296
I've also heard that the seeker mold has a problem? Not sure what but seems like their not as good as other IF releases, or did i just remember wrong?
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>>6664310
Early productions of their Starscream can have a missasembled back that makes it impossible to transform without fixing it (which requires unpinning the missasembled part and repinning it the right way around), and starscream (and only starscream) is prone to having cracked knee joints out of the box.

The rest of them are pretty much fine. And even then, with Starscream, if you bought one now you very likely wouldn't receive a misassembled version, and the cracked joint hasn't been reported to cause looseness or complete breakage by anyone yet.
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>>6664156
There was speculation that they might focus effort there because Grimlock needs a lot of work, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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THIS CAN NOT BE HAPPENING!

I REFUSE TO BLEIVE THIS
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>>6664350
And I refuse to READ this

What does it say
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>>6664308
Sideswipe and Prime's are pretty different. The rest all look like upgraded/idealized versions of the cartoon, in that they look way better than the cartoon ever did, especially with the silver paint. Current MPs just look exactly like an animation cel, right down to the flat colors.
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>>6664308
>he can't tell the difference between "inspired by the cartoon" and "100% accurate to the cartoon"
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>http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_pp

I want to believe
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>>6664352
Ching chong a bing bong takara wins again
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How are japanese TF buyers reacting to this? Anyone know?

I can't imagine it's going over well with them and considering Takara's decent track record of listening to bitching there might be some interesting results.
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>>6664366
KAWARE!
HAND--MASTER!
TATAKAE!
HAND--MASTER!
Melts in your hand, not your mouth!
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I don't know. They toys Takara have shown so far are all ones with decent decos barring the prime masters. Maybe they'll do better decos of the voyagers which actually look like shit?
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>>6664381
And risk stealing customers from Hasbro? fat chance.
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>>6664381
>stickers
>decent decos
No.
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>>6664390
True, but I'm more thinking about the sea of solid colors on Starscream and Grimlock
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>>6664357
Nah, they look just like the cartoon. The only difference is that they're 3D and not celluloid.
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>>6664381
there's still a chance starscream and grimlock will be in UW boxsets with better decos but I'm not getting my hopes up
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>>6664392
provably incorrect.

I still need to get around to making an MP/Sunow head comparison image.
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>>6664392
>he doesn't remember when people were having autism fits about Prime's head not looking 100% like a specific frame of a chinese animatic from the 80s
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>>6663645
Sup Ace
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>>6663645
MISB G1 Overlord
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>>6663600
Four likely. I've only posted it once, and only because people in the last thread were getting real butthurt about it.
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Is it likely we'll ever see a 3rd Transformers faction? An army of robots commanded/created by Unicron or even a breakaway faction of Beastformers commanded by Grimlock against the Decepticons and Autobots could be pretty cool.
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>>6664492
I'd like to see a Quintesson faction honestly. A race of malignant assholes who plague/deal with all the factions. Use their G1 schtick as a race of assholes, and add in a super science angle perhaps to explain why both sides still sort of tolerate them.
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>>6664492
>An army of robots commanded/created by Unicron
That's pretty much the Minicon faction in Armada
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>>6664401
This. I totally like MP-10's original head though. And I love his wide shoulder "hero" proportions. Maybe not accurate to anything, but fuck accuracy.
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>>6664400
I made one for a couple of the characters a while back. Biggest differences are Prime and Sideswipe for sure. After that they fell in line more, but not nearly to the extent that they are now.

That faggot who insists "hurrrr everything was always 100% cartoon accurate" clearly don't remember the hissyfits fans threw about all these little details.
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>>6664492
>3rd Transformers faction
Vehicons
Destrongers/RID Decepticons
Mini-cons
Every colony world in Galaxy Force/Cybertron for a little while
Star Seekers
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>>6664492

That's pretty much how Predacons and Dinobots have been handled the last few years- because they're genetically different from standard Cybertronians, they can't take vehicle modes. And this is whether they're like that naturally (Predaking from Prime) were altered that way by another (Aligned Dinobots, including RID2015 Grimlock), or are likely just too proud to adopt any other alt mode (The Dinobots and other Knights from the movies.)

I mean, the Age of Extinction and Prime: Beast Hunters waves were practically half beast, half Autobot/Decepticon.
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>>6664378
>>"I'll wait for the Takara release of Jazz so it doesn't have stupid MAGA on it" - some faggot on allspark

whoops.
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Takara doing straight POTP deco and stickers is reminding me of Arms Micron, I thought they learned that shit doesn't work.
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>>6664621
Those things were sub standard, this new stuff is just on par. I don't think they are exactly the same.
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>>6664621
Arms Micron is different, that's TakaTomy adding their own gimmicks. PotP and TLK is pretty much TakaTomy acting as Hasbro's official Japanese distributor like how they do Hasbro's Star Wars toys over there.
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>>6664492
>An army of robots commanded/created by Unicron
They are called the Blendtrons and they even have their own faction symbol.
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TR Skyshadow can fit MP Cheetor's hands in his tank and jet mode cannons.
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>>6663160
Powerdive fixed the biggest flaw of Highbrow (the most boring deco ever), but those arms are still awkward as fuck no matter how you slice it.
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I guess Takara wins again by saving me plenty of money or at least until Leader Optimal Optimus.

Judging from the local reception, I feel that POTP won't get its full run...
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>>6664664
>Judging from the local reception

Jap fans not taking the news well?
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>>6664663
Turns into some sick pants, too.
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>>6664492
Beast Machines Dinobots were a thing.
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>>6664492
I would like to see a Unicron faction that is unlike the Autobots or Decepticons, forcing them to put aside their differences to fight against them.

They would have that glowy-purple transparent motif that Prime Megatron had and their alt modes would come from the different planets Unicron conquered, there will be some from a desert planet, aqua planet, arctic tundra, and they wouldn't need to adhere to any kind of Earth-like or Cybertronian designs. Make them completely unique.
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>>6664670
>HK and Taiwan (I guess you can add Macau to the list too)

Just from the local stores, people are buying the scout stuff, but the deluxe and voyager are selling poorly. leaders are not out yet.
There were plenty of people saying they will wait for the Takara version.

Most of online reactions on the new pics are like:

>TAKARA
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And China?
They seems to be complaining about the stickers the most.
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>>6664643
Thank you, now I finally know

Looks like I'll be picking him up next week!
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Why don't you have best girl yet?
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>>6664783
I bought her Japanese version that acknowledged her status as Miss Fire.
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>>6664783
nice unpainted targetmasterless targetmaster anon
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>>6664788
>>6664790
This is one of the rare times where I actually like the paint apps on the Hasbro version better. Don't really care about the target master.

I have the takara version of slugslinger on pre-order thought.
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I wonder if Takara or Hasbro will say/do anything about the feedback that they're getting about takara's potp line
I've basically only seen negative or neutral at best feedback
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>>6664794
I was hesitant about getting takara's targetmasters at first, but after getting triggerhappy I ended up wanting the two other guys, the targetmasters r gr8
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>>6664821
>the targetmasters r gr8
I'm sure they are, they look cool, it's just not something I'm going to lose any sleep over not having.

On an unrelated note, I can't believe Hasbro dedicated so much paint to aimless. I guess they had a larger paint budget with it being a remold.
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>>6663645
Softimus Prime and Slumblebee. Google them.
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>>6664452
He said Transformers you can cuddle with, not Transformers you'd suck dick for.
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>>6664715
>And China?
>They seems to be complaining about the stickers the most

Not surprising. Literally the only people who like stickers are beancounters and focus test toddlers.
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>>6664378
So this is the power of the primes...
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>>6664827
>I can't believe Hasbro dedicated so much paint to aimless.

TR's paint distributions is so fucking random that I'm convinced they decided paint budgets using a dart board. Brainstorm was a bullseye, Blue and Scourge both hit the wall.
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>>6664858
>Blue and Scourge both hit the wall.
kek
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>>6664093
BoldForm vanished from the scenes for years, then they released their triplechanger Megatron as quietly as possible and they won't be seen again...
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>>6664445
sup milthar
>>6664853
Jazzposting4life
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>>6663959
>Angry Poverty Noises
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>>6663892
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>>6664855
kek
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>>6664823
>allspark
Not surprised at all.
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>>6664855
KAWARE!
KNEES--MASTER!
TATAKAE!
KNEES--MASTER!

(Micronus doesn't fit in the knee slot well)
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>>6664932
...
You can fit headmasters into Topspin's knees? O_o
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>>6664937
They're there so you can have them ride topspin in alt mode
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Anyone else kinda glad potp is shit no matter which version you get? I'm going to save so much next year.
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Scorpions!!!
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>>6664977
Scorpionoks!!!
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When two primes collide, this is what it looks like!
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>>6664985
I’m getting Macy day parade balloons from that pic. I think it’s how they look like they are floating.
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>>6664973
I still have to finish Titans Return.

>inb4 get the takaras
I don't want them.
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>>6664973
I'm not really to that level of happy. I don't splurge to start with and I did enjoy the CW/UW gimmick so I'm rather bummed that it's not looking so great atm. However it is a more costly year coming up with MP Dinobot and Fans Hobby Power Baser, so I'm rather pleased that of PtoP the Dreadwing combo and legend sizes are the only ones really calling to me.
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>>6664977
>>6664983

I was tempted to get a bunch of them to make a cult of Scorponok.
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>>6664378
What were they thinking when they were taking a picture like this?
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>>6664973
Same, I'm only interested in the dinobots and the Decepticons and some legends.
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Post minicon teams!!!
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BEST HEADSWAP EVER
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>>6665046
I wanna see your combiner swords anons
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>>6664794
what guns are those?
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>>6665064
>get Dreadwing from HTS
>his wings didn't tab into his legs
>the turquoise pieces were swapped in assembly and they're pinned to boot

This line got off to a good start.
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>>6665046
They had a discount on this plastic color that one year.
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>>6665050
Swourd and shield combo.
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>tfw its true
>takara's potp take are just a straight up repackage
Perhaps takara truly is in pain financially, maybe hasbro truly was pissed, all I know is our only hope are the box set theory, since all we're getting is the leaders, shells, and jazz.

While I have my pre-order with the japanese sources its only because the price is cheaper than what it'll be locally buuut that'll change when I see them in store.

Sadly though I just lost enough money to get me a car due to a dodgy seller and banks refusal to help, so along with the POTP confirmation today is just a sad day, hell I might even skip everything but abominus.

I'd ask for a hug anons but I was holding out too long for takara while persisting with a crappy seller so feel free to shit on me, I know a certain seller just did.

Rip enough money for 10 mp seekers
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>>6665076
I kinda like seeing Tomy prices the same as American retail.
Hell, with the shitty distribution I could likely even save money still importing things than driving around trying to find them in stock.
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>>6665076
>the price is cheaper than what it'll be locally
I was thinkint the same, but by the time they come (late may) the "us versions" (lol) will be the same or cheaper, those are supposed to start appearing on january, maybe earlier.
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>>6665078
>>6665082
That's the thing, I'm not in the US, that deal on overlord from amazon not too long ago was basically the same price as a voyager over here, but when we have sales its still more on what you guys pay for leaders.

And if nothing else good (and big) comes out around the time of the POTP jp release comes then the shipping cost will negate any savings.

Australia sucks and so does its retail
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>>6665076
I'm more annoyed that it's happening just now. Legends cast in Legends plastic but using the Hasbro tampos would've been great.
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So how big will potp be? TR was around 81+ bots.
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>>6665097
Most likely the same although the pretender shells have less in a wave than the initial TR titan masters so subtract that.

The deluxe waves will be similar and leaders are essentially one per wave
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Not enough gun
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>>6665108
daka-CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
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>>6665097
>>6665101
So far we know there will be at least:
12 primeasters/shells
9 legends (windcharger, tailgate, outback, skrapnell, slash, cyndersaur, beachcomber and the 2 duocons).
13 deluxes (4 dinobots, 4 terrorcons, jazz, dreadwing, blackwing, Novastar and Moonracer).
5 voyagers (starscream, Elita, Inferno, Grimlock and Hun grr)
4 leaders (Optimus, Rodimus, RodU and Primal)

43 confirmed.
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>I passed up on these

For those with potp grimlock/starscream, is there a port on the combiner feet with them or has this guy jerry rigged these on?

I was gonna grab a set but aborted because they technically model kits and felt lazy
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>>6665115
Fuck, forgot to list the 5 predaking voyagers/ 4 voyagers and 1 leader?
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>>6665118
Thats the 5 mil port where you can connect the hands as extra heels,
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>>6665036
>The fuck is this shitty gimmick Hasbro's forcing on us this time
>aw fuck there's no way we can make this work
>just do whatever
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>>6665123
By port-you mean female/hole and not male/peg right?

JUST making sure
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>>6665135
Just a port, pls don't confund with comboners and combiner cloacae, totally different subjects.

>>6665036
Those were some weird pictures, they make yu think the Masters are included with the deluxes and leaders, but they also had their own listing and prices, dunno whats going on with takara.
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>Hasbro forced Takara to make worse toys
>I swear guys my uncle is an elite Russian hacker and listened to the whole meeting on worldstarhiphop
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>>6665148
They probably did that to show how they can interact with other figures in the line since unlike the TM packs, the Pretenders offer no playability on their own.
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>>6665148
Sorry, been spending time trying to google what I needed and thought some clear distinct and thought to use terms used for electronics.

Male plugs are male because they stick out (the 2 on the left side) while female connections accepts the male connectors (the one on the right side of pic related), therefore combiner pegs are male and (now that I found it) combiner ports are female.

Don't mind me I truly am an idiot and mostly saying this so I can attempt to remember it without making yet another stick note
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>>6665036
>>6665167
There is some, the shells can become a character and with the power of imagination can jump around etc while the spark cores I honestly believe in *that* pic jazz is supposed to be holding it as if "I'm holding the power".

Can't do open hand because its a toy so instead they just stuck it in his hand, for me its a red maraca and jazz isa gonna dance a samba with 2 of them
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If one doesn't like the stickers on leaders and voyagers in the current line why not just show has-tak you will not stand for it and just not buy them?

Takara did release redecos of tlk figures in the movie the best line, perhaps a TTmall exclusive premium redeco or another line later on will surface

Think of it this way, if it doesn't happen you save money for better future toys, I want leader hotrod but not like this, and if need by I'll wait for another masterpiece figure if it comes to that
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>>6665166
But then what could b reason y ?????
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>>6665047
holy shit, looks amazing!
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>>6665047
>>6665189
Get out of here, Pete.
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>>6665167
>the Pretenders offer no playability on their own.
They are bots with armors and weapons, and basic articulation, they even have articulation in both modes, dunno why someone couldn't enjoy them as stand alone toys.
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>>6665047
The fucked up paint is way worse than that deformed face.
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>>6665184
Budget focus on the boxsets and other lines, maaaybe they did the movie edition/studio series figures and hasbro will repackage those, as takara repakaage hasbro POTP stuff.
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>>6665181
Transfags will never not suck the cock of one company or another. It's in our dna.
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>>6665208
Yeah that makes more sense for the movie line, but potp is the main chug line now so I don't get why they would do that of all lines
Not to mention it's just weird for them to do a line with only half or so of the figures having effort put into them
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>>6665212
But by sucking takaras cock its really hasbros.

Are we doomed to being retards?
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>>6665216
retardposter tried to warn us but we didnt listen
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>>6665215
They just focusing on what would sell more, combiners boxsets and the movie stuff now that the 07 kids have jobs. I mean its not as weird as Liokaiser and Metalhawk getting US exclusive toys being japanese exclusive characters.
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>>6664827
Too bad they didn't put some of that budget towards using a pink plastic that doesn't look hideous.
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>>6665181
I don't think most transformers collectors are really feeling disaffected enough to stop buying voyagers covered in stickers. You're talking of a crippingly autistic and impatient fandom here; the kind that will custom toys that were literally announced because they can't wait a fucking month for the official version.
I feel that those who know their shit are really who call the shots regarding opinions here on /toy/ in a sense, but /toy/'s opinions are not TFW's opinions or Allspark's opinions. They might have incredibly retarded reasons to insist on Hasbro but they are still a bigger, more retarded section of the fandom tha might have more pull than us.

>>6663869
I talked to them like last week; though I had messaged them two/three weeks ago, they take a while to reply.
They told me that the designer is busy with his new family and they won't release it in the meantime because the process of printing them is tasking and he can't take the time to do it. I also asked if they would consider releasing it as a kit in the future but the answer was the same. Thinking of it, it wasn't a very good question since it was always released as a kit except for the last time they did when they brought some guy to paint them.
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>>6664821
This. I only wanted Misfire because I liked his color the best, but I ended up getting triggerhappy because the mold is so great. I had no interest in Slugslinger, but seeing as how Takara PotP figures aren't getting any of my shekels next year, I might just pick him up to complete the trio.
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>>6665212
>Transfags will never not suck the cock of one company or another. It's in our dna.
Oh no. Not me. I never lost control.
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>>6663985
>This keeps the trash in one bin and the collectors in another.

>but giant fucking retards baiting tard wranglers in this thread would cause shitstorms every time. Not like the mainline thread isn't already a giant shitposting fest.

Looks like we found the fucking baiting giant retard.
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>>6665249
But anon, you're face to face with the man who sold the world
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>>6665216
>>6665228
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>>6665274
kekled
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>>6665118
"Me Grimlock no ham hands!"
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>>6665181
I do this. I haven't purchased a new transformer since the stickers started. The last ones I got were TR Soundwave and some of the deluxes.

Also aren't they doing a new MP Hotrod? The target master?
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>>6665295
Hi grandpa, still haven't learned how to turn off capslock?
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>>6665293
>aren't they doing a new MP Hotrod?
Nope, just a reissue with the old mp gundude.
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>>6663956
Cool is subjective, I think those two look dope. At the end of the day, buy what makes you happy anons
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>>6665297
God me died from laughter.




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