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So, let me begin by saying that I am American (more particularly an Ohioan) and I'm unhappy here. As lovely as other countries are, immigration is a lengthy, difficult process that only the most wealthy, talented and desired, and/or powerful people glide through effortlessly. I'm not a member of the transnational financial class. So, in other words, I wanted to ask advice about other states and places to live in America, although I am perhaps not entirely disinclined from one day leaving America. In fact, I almost did after high school as I had been admitted to McGill. I still kick myself for not having gone.

Do not despair. I'm not by any means motivated to move to the Pacific Northwest, albeit once upon a time I had a job offer in Bellingham, WA. I wanted to ask about the State of Minnesota and I hope to receive recommendations about other states and cities if other anons were so inclined. To put it figuratively, I'm trying to hit an erratically moving target blowing in the wind while moving in the opposite direction on a speeding train and the target is at such a great distance I have to account for the Coriolis effect, weather, barometric pressure, etc. I need to account for change.

I wish I had saved the cap, but a while ago I mentioned that I moved back to OH from TX in a thread on one of the boards I frequent on 4chan, and an anon said "sadder words were never written." While I do not echo that thought, it is not without its merit.

I won't indulge in the worst carte blanche shitposting about Austin, e.g. technoelitism, income disparity, rampant mentally ill homeless population, its poor infrastructure, etc. This isn't a thread about ethnocentrism or elitism, partisan sentiment and civic pride are certainly welcome.

Feel free to ask about Austin, or other places I have lived like Maryland, New York, D.C., Virginia, etc. for those of you considering moving. If you are in similar circumstances, feel free to ask/offer advice, post your story, or comment.
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Pardon the early bump, but I think some background is necessary. Like I said, I had the opportunity to attend McGill in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, but I decided to attend a university in Ohio that offered me generous scholarship money as my parents basically told me that if I wanted to attend post-secondary schooling that the financial burden was mine.

I majored in English, classics, and history because I wanted to teach k-12, but particularly 7-12. I won't ask you to reserve comment, but I like to think schooling in America once had an esteemed reputation or at least a proud tradition, but now I really hesitate to go down that road. Along the way, I graduated and landed a job in Bellingham, WA for a software company as a translator that I ultimately declined due to familial issues, but I also kick myself for this.

Ultimately, some family relocated to Austin, TX and I decided to pal around and join them. I landed a job as a marketer at a credit union. I ended up working at a university in Austin. I could have stayed, but ultimately I decided to move back to Ohio after the family members I came with moved to Florida.

Ohio was the reset button option. I think it's a great place for me to figure stuff out. In other words it serves to account for the changes in my life and elsewhere as I plot the next move. But it is not without its challenges. Cincinnati, like most of the state and, really the geographic region, is in the grips of a pretty nasty heroin epidemic. The economy is not great, and cannot hold a candle to Austin certainly. That's not to say that Austin did not have its issues with employment. I'll not make outrageous claims about Ohio that I have heard such as it's worse now economically then it was in 2007-2008, but admittedly as aforementioned things are not great. Most of all though, there's too much history here. Too many memories...not all good ones. These roads are too well trodden for me to want to stick around. My hope is to find the right place.
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>Are you happy where you live?
Fuck no. I live in a suburb of Mexico City, and every day I grow more and more tired of this shithole. I hate the city and its people, and all kinds of bad news that seem to flourish in this land. That's why every penny I make goes towards traveling and maybe someday settling abroad.

Now, I didn't read that wall of text of yours, but my top 3 favorite American cities for personal reasons are these:

>NYC, especially Brooklyn
>Berkeley
>Seattle

If I could I'd move there. I love those places for various reasons.
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I'd go to Portland or Denver, just because I like the landscape and weed.
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>>1270863

Long Island.

Beaches, malls, and meth here. Nothing else.
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>>1270863
The Twin Cities are comfy as fuck, and there are plenty of god tier outdoor activities in Minnesota. Areas like Northeast and Macalester are beautiful quiet urban neighborhoods with fun things to do. The cities have a relatively strong economy among comparable places.

I grew up in Chicago, currently live in Milwaukee, but my goal is to eventually end up in St. Paul or Seattle.
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Wherever you move to, there is always going to be this boring asshole that comes with you and keeps you from being happy
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>>1270890
You're an anglophone, overstay your visa. Living in the shadows in the U.S is better than staying in that sad fucking country, trust me.
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>>1270983
don't listen to this guy we don't want any more of you
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I live in a small college town outside of Washington D.C and I like living here. My house is next to a train station so I can either take the metro to the city where it's always happening -or- I can hop the freight train and go to West Virginia. Fun fun. Next time, I'm going to see if I can go all the way down to New Orleans.
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>>1270863
>Are you happy where you live?
>I live in rural Northern Missouri
Well what the fuck do you think asshole?

I travel every year just to stay sane, but I feel like if I lived somewhere I genuinely liked I'd probably never leave home. Once I've saved up enough I'm out of here.
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I live in Central New York off the coast of Lake Ontario. The town I live in is decent during the summertime, but man is winter a shitty time to be here. We average more snowfall than places in Alaska. There's also a massive heroin problem in much of the area, and it's the most economically depressed county in the state. NYC is like a fucking 6 or 7 hour drive, so that's not even an added benefit of living here. Was only sticking around for that low in-state tuition. But now that it's "free" I'm gonna be forced to bum around NYC for at least 5 years after I get my degree. 1 year through college and I have 2 potential jobs lined up in the finance field down in NYC, so I won't be hurting too bad down there.
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Cleveland > Cincinnati

or split the difference and move to Columbus like everyone else in Ohio seems to do these days.
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I live in Vancouver. It's expensive as fuck and people aren't friendly. I guess the scenery is nice. Happiness: 3/10
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I grew up in a semi-rural (but increasingly suburbanizing) area in the PNW. It's okay. There's a lot of stuff here that I like, but there's also lots of shit that's a direct result of the massive influx of people and urban sprawl that's happening. I eventually grew to hate it, which is why I moved, but since being back temporarily, I've come to appreciate it more. If I had to live somewhere in the US, the PNW would probably still be my choice.

For the past few years, I lived in the Southwest for school. Overall, it was okay, but I found the heat and constant sun oppressive. The distance between everywhere was pretty bad, too. The city I lived in was small-ish, which was nice compared to the PNW, but to get anywhere else required basically a boring road trip. I also wouldn't mind ending up there, but it definitely wouldn't be first choice.

Currently I'm trying to move to the UK. The job market for my field is much better there, and I think I'd like it more culturally. I have a couple of job offers in Milton Keynes. It seems kind of shitty by UK standards, since it's a newly built town of mostly suburbs, but since that's not very different to anywhere else I've lived, I'm hoping I won't mind too much. If anyone has any advice about MK, I'd appreciate it.
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I live in Poland and I hate it here. I envy every one of you. I'm getting out of this shithole as soon as I finish my studies. People are terrible, the whole post-soviet mentality here is unbearable. Salaries are small, taxes are absurdly high and getting even worse, the healthcare system in non-existent. I guess food is ok.
I'd like to move to US, but a visa can be a hassle, so I could also settle for UK or Netherlands.
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>>1270890
>NYC, especially Brooklyn

This anon knows whats up
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I grew up in rural state that I hated at the time but now find myself missing it. I now live in NYC and I love it but I really do miss mountains and trees.
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>>1271657
Columbus seems to be a popular destination. I've only ever driven through it though. I don't know a lot about Columbus, but I'd be interested in perspectives from Cbus-anons. I have heard to stay out of Franklinton or as its affectionately termed 'the bottoms'. Otherwise, stay the hell out of Greater Hilltop, South Linden, and Whitehall.

But are Columbus hoodlums really as bad (read: fierce, tough, and/or dangerous) as East Cleveland and/or OTR hoodlums? I've heard Columbus is rapidly growing like other mid-major metro areas like Portland, OR and Austin, TX (in which I lived for approx. three years). I honestly don't know a lot about Columbus other than tOSU, food and bar scene, some of its cultural attractions to which I've never been, etc. According to some Ohio anons (not me), Columbus is Ohio's last great metro and that all of Cleveland will eventually look like East Cleveland and/or Bedfort Heights (basically an amalgamation of white and black trash people) including Bratenahl and possibly Gates Mills--I don't subscribe to this idea...I think it's probably BS. I can see the Hunting Valley always being affluent and nice though. I have heard Lyndhurst and Mayfield Heights are basically 1990s Euclid 2.0a + 2.0b respectively.

You'd really have to tell me what Cleveland is like anymore. I haven't been in touch with my Cleveland bros in a long, long time. I have an abiding fondness for it still, although I have heard that the area has changed dramatically in the 18 years I have been gone from there.

Cincinnati is and has always been Ohio's third city. It's a nice city and it has its own history and charm, but I do have allegiance to Cleveland as I was born there and attended schools there like my parents and grandparents and on down through the past. I don't know man. I'd probably live in the Cleveland-area--West-Side or more like the sticks of Geauga Co. or an aforementioned affluent area.

I will start to address other posts
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>>1271767
Whereabouts in the City if I may ask? What burrough?
>>1271361
I have friends in Poughkeepsie, Albany, Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, the Bronx, etc and yeah I've heard heroin's a huge problem in the State of New York all-around. It could be worse I've heard 1970s New York was really bananas and worse than any film trying to portray it. Tween prostitutes, electricity theft, gang violence, intimidation rackets, etc. I missed the snow for three years. Tell me have you ever been snowed inside your place of residence.
>>1270950
One of my good friends in college went to Garden City HS. I have to keep it vague, but...Good guy...married someone semi-famous, family had billions of dollars, old Jewish money. Interesting fellow. I don't know much about Long Island outside of him and competitive lacrosse as I used to play lacrosse in Maryland and we'd scrimmage teams from New York or play them in little tournaments.
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>>1271789
>The Professional
> X-Men days of Futures Past
>Taxi Driver?
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>>1271793
More like Taxi Driver or The Panic in Needle Park or Midnight Cowboy
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>Are You Happy Where You Live?

Not really. I am going to move once I have a little more financial footing, which really should only take me another year. I'm thinking San Francisco. My job actually allows me to work from home so I'd be all set with employment. I also have family out there. My parents actually lived in the Bay Area when I was an infant, so I genuinely feel a connection to that place which feels strong and important for some reason. I have been out to that area twice and both times I look back at very fondly. Next April I will be out there again and that is going to be the deciding factor for me.

>>1270863

I currently live in Connecticut, where I've been now for 22 years. The taxes are stupid high and the cities are mostly shit holes so really I don't have any real feelings towards it other than love for my family and friends. That said, if you want to settle down one day with a family New England is comfy as fuck and the seasons here are fantastic. Autumn here shits all over any other state, and I'd recommend to anybody an October retreat to New England. If you are interested in Minnesota, you may also want to take a look at New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont, as these are notably more interesting states than Connecticut that aren't as populated . If you are interested in cities, I will have to give a recommendation for Boston.

My dad's family all live in Minnesota. Really good vibe there. We went for a wedding a while ago and I'll have to vacation there at a lake house one of these days.
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>>1270882

You can repair past errors and come to Montreal, we are nice there is jobs, nice women, nice food, and you can learn french while everybody can undestand you in english... paradise? I think so
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Saint Augustine Florida. Aside from the heat and population/rent growth I really like it here although it's definitely just a town.
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>>1271892
Rent growth has been a bitch in Atlanta as well. I live north of the city, south of the suburbs, and I could get a mortgage with monthly payment at 2/3 the cost of my current rent. Other than that, I can't imagine living anywhere else.
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I've lived in various places in the southeast my whole life and hated it. I find myself strongly attracted to the idea of sort of a gloomy rainy city with lots of brick buildings, but don't want to move as far as the PNW. Thoughts? I would consider moving to Canada or the UK but I have no idea how easy it is to move to another country and how many places I should visit first.
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>>1270917
Just moved to Metro Detroit from Portland. I didn't really see the appeal.

Rent is insane, taxes are egregious, and income is stagnant or falling so it's a terrible place to build wealth for the future. Homeless are everywhere. There are BLM signs posted everywhere which is ironic considering it's one of the whitest metros in the nation.

A lot of the people pose as gritty or artsy but it's nothing more than an irritating charade. They live in houses that are valued at over $300/sq ft. They are a person of means and well educated but go to extraordinary lengths to pretend to be something they're clearly not.

The food and drink scene was decent but no better than that of other mid to large cities. Flying from PDX is quite expensive so even if you find yourself with the means to go somewhere more interesting you have to have extra connecting flights and pay through the nose.

Not a lot of good STEM jobs in the city so you're battling traffic into the suburbs every day to work at one of the relatively few STEM jobs.

Maybe it was good a decade ago but I'd stay away in 2017. There are greener pastures.
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>>1270863
I've been on the move since high school OP, I'll toss out a couple recommendations.

I personally prefer big or big-ish cities with distinct neighborhoods: you have more activities and things to discover. I also like being somewhat close to the outdoors.

Los Angeles is a city that I've found people either love or hate. I went to school there and lived there for a brief period and really loved it. I think that it's really important to find a "scene" there or some connection to the entertainment industry (even thru friends); if you can connect with people it'll be great. Traffic is a problem if you can't live close to your work. Pros: Great food, beaches, activities/entertainment, many neighborhoods with unique character, close to a lot of CA outdoor beauty. Cons: large so a car is a requirement, traffic is bad if you can't live close to work, generally expensive.

Las Vegas is weirdly great: friendly people, "big city" feel, but the casinos dominate everything so it has quirks. Pros: cheap rent or real estate, good food scene from cheap to insane, almost the middle of the southwest so 2-4hrs gets you to many major outdoor areas, friendly people, great city for dive bars. Cons: hard to make friends as many people work in gaming w/ odd hours (also tons of people go straight to gaming out of HS so they just keep the same friends for 25+ years making breaking into a circle kind of hard), gets extremely hot, city itself isn't very pretty, job market can fluctuate, if you have addictive personality avoid living here. I've seen first had a couple people just get eaten alive w/ gambling, partying, etc.

Currently living in Cambridge (Boston) and love it. Not much nightlife and pretty pricey rent, but it's walkable which is fantastic. Get a bike and you can reach most of Boston easily. Great restaurants and lots of beautiful small parks.
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>>1270890
Where all have you been in America? Have you been anywhere you didn't like in the US? What other countries or places have you been that you (dis)liked? Also, that's cool. I hope that you find somewhere to live that you enjoy. I have heard that Mexico City has some real wealth in its enclaves and has actually a decent amount to do regardless of age, income, and/or interest. I have some family there that I have never met. One of my relatives came to Ohio by way of the Spanish Civil War, and the rest of her family settled in Puerto Rico, Mexico, Cuba, etc.

>>1270917
Colorado is a lovely state. I have never been to Oregon, but I have heard that it is wonderful.

>>1270955
Thanks for the insight. I like winter generally speaking. I have heard the state is critically overlooked and that most people consider the coasts or within the Midwest itself they look elsewhere. This is more of a reach, but Edina looks awesome. So does St. Cloud or Minnetonka. I'd have to check out St. Paul, Minneapolis, and Rochester.

>>1270976
Wherever you go there you are. Mostly agree with the sentiment, but I moved back home and began to relatively immediately experience problems that I never experienced in Texas. Problems may be too strong a term, but like I said in a previous past not every memory is pleasant here, lots of ghosts, and as far as I am concerned this is the reset button. Otherwise, I have already seen all of SWOH and it's boring now.

>>1271122
DC is lovely. That sounds wonderful. DC is itself a great college town, amongst many other things.
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>>1270863
I'm very happy where I live.
I just moved to Stockholm, Sweden and its great. Much better than my previous location (London).

>inb4 muh immigants
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>>1271684
>job offers in Milton Keynes

Dude, don't do it! There's nothing there except breeders who think Minions memes are the height of culture, watching their dreams slowly fade as they all become the same, uniformly grey, dumpy, potato-person.

I spent 18 years tolerating it and then jumped on the first university-offer out of there.
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>>1270955

Mineapple bro here. This guy is right. Although we have some drawbacks. Overly liberal. Rough winters. Bad traffic & road construction. Mosquitos. Somalians. Night life is only OK on the surface, but great once you dig in and find things off the beaten path. I.e., regular after parties at this one guy's huge place that has an illegal bar, etc.

I love it here, but have been thinking of moving away myself. Looking at Central America.
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>>1271691
Burger here. I'll trade you.
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>>1272153
That's pretty much the same as where I am now, though (and to be fair, it's probably the same everywhere, normies are always like that), so it's not really a downside to me. And no offense, but everyone hates their hometown, and basically has that to say about it. I'm sure it's true, but I doubt the entire city and surroundings area can nearly be as bad as the place I'm staying now, especially since there are smaller villages within easy commute distance, which definitely isn't true here. And with my job, I'll probably end up traveling a bit, so there's that.

I'm not really debating whether I'll take one of the jobs or not. That's pretty much a given at this point, career-wise; the politics in the US have basically killed the job market in my field, and it's almost impossible to find a permanent job anywhere, but the job market is thriving in the UK. It's not about trying to find a utopia, if I want a job past the end of the summer, my best bet is moving to the UK (and the only place I've had offers is MK). So what I'm after is advice about the city itself, like which parts suck, commute times, cost of living, and other things like that.
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Fuck no. I live between Harrisburg and Baltimore, right in the heart of the heroin belt. I'm moving to Las Vegas in a couple months.
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>>1272297
Well, fine. If you're not to be dissuaded make sure you get a car ASAP. MK is mostly built for cars and some of the surrounding villages are very old and lovely if you're into that sort if thing.

It's on the M1 and major rail lines so weekend trips away are really quite easy and you can be in London in less than an hour. (For some stupid reason it's almost impossible to get to Oxford which is a real shame)

It's got no decent castles, forests or museums nearby and you're possibly as far from the sea as you can get in th UK but if you've got money and free time it's actually ok place as a base to visit other places.
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>>1270863
Metro-Detroit

Fuck no. Between the California and PNW liberal transplants and ghetto trash of Detroit's residential areas, southwest Michigan is fucked. We have 9 million people in this state, and 6 million of them are in the Metro-Detroit area.

STOP FUCKING MOVING HERE YOU ASSHOLES.

I swear one day the rednecks will export their meth to the cities again and it'll be the final blow to the city fuckers in the burbs and riverfront.
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>>1271789
Yeah, I've been snowed in a few times. Sometimes it can be comfy, but then you have to shovel and snow blow your way out, and that's almost always a bitch. When I lived in an apartment in Rochester my favorite part was never needing to shovel.
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I'm in the process of moving to Connecticut for a job (from PA), and think I've made a horrible mistake.

Admittedly, PA is still pretty shitty but CT seems infinitely worse. Wish I could move back to the west coast.
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>>1270955
St Paul here, it is really nice and downtown St Paul is far better than downtown MLPS.
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>>1271789
I go to school in the Bronx so I have a comfy apartment out here. The bronx is actually quite nice, it just can't shake it's stereotype from the 70s/90s.
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>>1271889
Maybe someday lol. I am still considering further study in Canada particularly in Ottawa or Montreal. We will see what happens though. Montreal was lovely when I visited and it just seemed incredible. I can't speak to Vancouver or Toronto (in recent memory), but the dining, the nightlife, the women, the character of the city and its history and charm and other intangible qualities made it shine. We'll see...great city.
>>1271892
Some family moved to Pinellas Co. area. Florida has never appealed to me. I have only been to Naples, and I have friends from Florida, but...it did nothing for me. So, don't worry lol I won't come and drive up your rent, but yeah I think Florida could use some help with depopulation.
>>1271961
>Other than that, I can't imagine living anywhere else.
I've heard wonderful things about Atlanta, but I've never really been compelled to visit despite having distant family all over the American South and in Atlanta.
>>1271668
WA or BC? I wouldn't live in either personally. I've heard RE is ridiculously overpriced in Vancouver. I've also heard it termed Hongcouver for the large Han Chinese population that have relocated there. I've heard the food and scenery are both wonderful if you can get over the awful drivers.
>>1271985
>I find myself strongly attracted to the idea of sort of a gloomy rainy city with lots of brick buildings
I can make a few recommendations and This. But first if we're talking somewhat fantastical, I only somehow would live in an affluent, first-ring, historical, cozy inner suburb that somehow is not far from the outskirts of the major metro area and has access to mountains, rivers, lakes, forests, etc.

If you want a rainy city with character, I would say...Mobile, AL; NYC (of course); New Orleans, LA (I'd only visit though): Sherbrooke, QC, CA; Glasgow, Scotland, etc. I like this idea though.
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>>1271754
What makes Brooklyn so great? Compared to Harlem, the Bronx, Manhattan, and Staten Island?

Also, I would live in Dumbo, because that's my favorite Disney film.
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Duluth, MN here. If you like the outdoors, this is your gateway.

Pros: beautiful country, little to no traffic (you can drive anywhere within 15-20 minutes), 4 colleges within a 20 mile radius so lots of college honeys and eye candy, lots of outdoor variety.

Cons: it's always fucking cold because of that goddamn beautiful fucking lake. Aircon city. As I type this, it is 56F or 12C. 5 months of maybe summer, 7 months of absolutely winter. Job market sucks and the rent is outrageous. Equivalent to rent in the cities. Prepare to pay 20% above market value if you're looking to purchase a home.

All in all, I'm likely looking to get away. I'm starting to travel so I'll let you know.
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>>1270983
Illegals go back
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>>1270890
>suburb of Mexico City

like a Neza kind of suburb? that's intense.

When I visited it seemed like CDMX proper was pretty safe and nice. Can you not afford to move closer in?
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I get bored wherever I go, even if it's nice. I'd rather just move every 3 years. US is big enough you can live in every climate and never leave the nation.

>>1270917
>and weed

Please fuck off, we don't want you. You retards do realize you can get weed in literally any fucking state? Fucking high school kids sell it out of their backpacks. Fuck off, we're full.
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>>1272468
What's wrong with CT? Never been
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>wanting to live in Seattle
I live here and I don't understand this, unless you're upper-middle class or something.

Does anyone know of a better rainy city in the world I can move to?
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>tfw live in the DC metropolitan area

It's alright. Could be worse. Hopefully I'll move away to New England sometime in the near future. I've lived here all my life, and I finally think it's high time that I leave this bubble of transplants, traffic, and hedonism. Maine, I'm coming for you.
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>>1274975
NYC is pretty good but it doesnt rain 3/4 if the year

>>1270863
Philly native here (well I was raised in the crunchy suburbs but its pretty much the same as germantown), and I gotta say this place isn't the best, and I think we all know that; but its home. Its got plenty of variety, cool neighbourhoods and interesting people. Philly's got its own unique culture, its got a million grear resturants, and everyone's open to talk about anything. You feel a real sense of community, everything's within walking distance. I feel like no matter where I go in life, no matter how far I stray from home, I'll always return to my city. Her heart, veins from Penn to passyunk, from Market to Diamond, beats life into the city. The people change, there colors too, but I can't think of one part, one piece of that 300 year old puzzle, that it would be complete without. I used to look at the tall brown, beige, black, and blue buildings with boredome, but now I'm amazed every time I see them still sitting there, yet standing.

NYC is pretty good tbqh, DC is cool, and Boston looks cool (I was only there for one day).
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>>1272231
Fellow Minneapple bro here. I think I know of the bar you speak of, LOL.
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>The whole thread is FULL of Americans
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>>1274975
Baton Rouge and New Orleans each rain a lot more than seattle and have better food, people, culture, etc.

Also nothing and I mean nothing beats listening to a jazz group on a cold and rainy day in the French Quarter, the comfiest thing I have ever felt by far
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>>1272015
>I think that it's really important to find a "scene"

This is the most LA comment one could make
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>>1275234
Another minneapolitan here, can you give me a hint of where to look for this place? It sounds right up my alley.
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>>1272231
> Somalians
Minneapolis isn't bad if you're not a piece of shit racist
>>1272476
St. Paul really isn't better than Minneapolis for young people.
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>>1275882
>Minneapolis isn't bad if you're not a piece of shit racist

I've had to watch the neighborhood where I grow up become off limits to me. Suck my dick.
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>>1275678
I haven't been in a while, so I'm not positive if they still go down. South Mpls, huge house on a corner. I'm reluctant to post more info than that, sorry. Dude has had some trouble with police breathing down his neck.

>>1275234
Pretty rad, man. When's the last time you've been? Gotta love house parties. There so much more social.
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Right on! Minneapple highjack thread! Didn't realize there were so many of you guys on this board.

But yeah Minnesota is objectively the best state. Welcoming any prospective migrators to move on up North
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>>1272231
Honestly just get a bike, combined with our kick-ass public transit and you can get almost anywhere pretty quickly

Definitely agree with you on the night life part. Something I noticed quickly while growing up here is that the Twin Cities are not great for the tourist but amazing for the local
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>>1276112
>the Twin Cities are not great for the tourist but amazing for the local

So true. Just imagine the poor shlubs that visit, and don't know any better than to wander downtown into Sneaky Pete's and the like.

They must be like, "this city sucks."
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>>1271668
I also live in Vancouver and agree with both those criticisms. Million dollar properties in Tsawwassen is just retarded. I inheirited a small property way out in Sechelt, an undeveloped lot on the side of a cliff hours out Vancouver, and even that has a super jacked up value. Couldn't believe it.

As to the people, you are definitely right, at least about people born and raised here. Ultra clique-ish and for all the diversity this city loves to go on about, people self-segregate like crazy. I also find women from Vancouver a huge pain in the ass to deal with compared to women from almost anywhere else. Can't explain it.
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>1276112
>1276164
>the Twin Cities are not great for the tourist but amazing for the local

That's funny, having lived either in Asheville NC or Savannah GA the last 6 years, I've had the opposite experience. I mean, they're not bad to live in, but better for the tourist, I think.
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>>1272477
Oh really? I have a friend that lives there. He's always complaining about his crazy neighborhood in the Bronx--his neighbors, drunk people yelling and going crazy on the street at any hour the day, Hasidim trying to buy him out, asshole neighbors, etc. It sounds like a wild ride.

Personally, if I could I live anywhere, it would be on the outskirts of a Mid-Metro Area.

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>>1272231
Shit. OP here. I had not idea how many people from Minnesota frequented /trv/.

>Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington
>Duluth–Superior
>Fargo-Moorhead
>St. Cloud
>Rochester
>Etc.
Which one is the pick of the litter? That is to say if you were to want a cozy, comfy town with access to a mid-major metro area, but you're closer to the sticks or the boonies potentially near a university at which you could work or had great bandwidth so you could work remotely. I see myself still working at a university or college, or having a career change where I could work remotely. Also, people are friendly, but they can keep to themselves if need be. Crime is also low. Maybe that's too vague. I wish I could beam my memories into your minds.

Growing up in Ohio, I had a friend with whom I attended school and he lived in a place called Hunting Valley, OH. Chances are no one here has heard of it. It's a small town that is very affluent and very nice. Manicured lawns, topiaries, horse farms, and ancient trees dot the countryside. It is just breathtaking. It's on the outskirts of Cleveland on the border of Cuyahoga Co. peaking into Geauga Co. I hate to reference it, but the final passage of f. scott fitzgerald's the great gatsby comes to mind for some reason. There's just something very ephemeral and enchanting about all of it. My hope is that such a place can still exist and not just in my memories.

Maybe a place similar to Madison, WI or Oxford, OH without all their maladies.
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I live on the US Mexican border in a town called El Paso, I hate this shit more then anything else, I hate being a minority here to the Hispanics, I hate the constant sun, I hate the city council who cock block any measure to improve the city because it's "too expensive" or we want preserve cheap fuckers from moving out despite their neighbohoods turning into decrepit shit holes, I'd kill to move up north or to at least to a suburb somewhere else
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>Are You Happy Where You Live?
>Slovenia

TL;DR Yes.

I live in a rural countryside, green everywhere, virtually a starting point into many of the alpine mountain peaks. It's peaceful, it's calm, not many job opportunities without commuting an hour or 2 every day but that's perfectly bearable. There's some remnant of commie egalitarian mentality with taxes that dry your asshole, everyone knows everything, everyone. I transitioned from edgy teen "god i hate this country" to "it's a great country with some mistakes" relatively fast considering everywhere I turn I hear how rotten and corrupt this place is, perhaps due to my travelling in my teen years (early 20s now).

In economic terms it's an average living, in social terms it's either great or abysmal depending on the people, the landscape is 10/10 which is why this is my place to be till I drop.
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Worcester MA,

I was born in Greece to Albanian parents.

I moved here at like 5 and yes it's home, and everything and everyone I know is here, but I'm starving for a change.

I've traveled alot and sometimes I think about just going back to Europe. Maybe Southern France.

But equally so I love the U.S. and as mentioned beforehand, everyone and everything I know is in this city. Including skeletons. Hard to open up that closet and through them out.
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Greenville, SC area

It's the 4th fastest growing areas in the country, so there are plenty of jobs.

I'm not happy here though. It's extremely car reliant and I dislike that. It's also not a "big" city so there's not much city to offer. There are a lot of people who moved here from Ohio for some reason though. It's very, very white.
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>>1271691
You do realize that one of the reasons put forward for Brexit was too many Poles in the country? They are not on a path of making it easier for you guys.

Consider Germany. Poles are respected there for being hard workers and economy is booming to the extent that it's hard to find employees.
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Stockholm, Sweden.

Love the place. Wouldn't trade it for any other place at the moment
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>>1270863
Sydney, Australia

I mean the government is piss weak and everyone drives which means traffic out the arse but the amount of variety of things to do and the overarching multiculturalism of the whole plce makes it a fun place to live.
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>>1277465
This, moved here like 6 months ago and its wonderful
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San Martín de los Andes, Argentina
Small touristy town, close to big lakes and national parks (pine forests) and ski resorts.

Can't complain, it's pretty fucking comfy.
Wouldn't trade it for any other place.
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>>1270863
I live in San Francisco, in a condo I was lucky enough to be able to buy ten years ago, so I have mostly escaped what is probably the worst thing about this city, which is the INSANE rent--my mortgage and property taxes are probably very high by the standards of anybody who doesn't live in Manhattan or London (where they would seem about average), but I would be paying more if I were renting. And I love my apartment and my neighborhood, so I mostly feel very fortunate.

This city has some serious problems--massive intractable homelessness, a lot of mostly petty crime, gradual homogenization by young, rich, self-important tech kids at the expense of our most bohemian and interesting people, who contribute a lot more positive stuff to the local culture but mostly can't afford to live here anymore, etc.

But despite its undeniable flaws, it's still my favorite American city. Physically beautiful, great mild climate (never really hot or very cold--a sort of perpetual spring or autumn), still diverse enough to have some interesting people and restaurants, good local music scene and touring bands, decent transit and walkability, and still mostly batshit-level liberal, which I either agree with or am amused by, depending on the issue. I don't know that I will live here forever (I have been an expatriate before and probably will again), but I've got no near-term plans to move.

All that said, I have also had close friends in the Twin Cities, and I've spent a bit of time there--it's too cold and a bit too sprawling for me (very bike-friendly, though, if you like that sort of thing), but there is definitely a lot to like about Minneapolis.
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>>1270863
Chilean living in Dublin here (Ireland)
It's pretty great. Not planning of ever going back desu.
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>>1277254
Really, the only place that fits your desciption is the Twin Cities.

Mankato is nice, too. But I wouldn't say it offers access to a mid-major metropolitan area. It's college town 1.5 hours south of the TC.
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>>1277897
t. Mohammad
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Yea it's great here. This is 5 minutes from my house (Australia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_XV8HG_lC8&t=9s
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>>1278226
>>1278225
Looks lovely
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ITT: you're unhappy with where you live and romanticize the idea of moving somewhere where someone else ITT is unhappy and romanticizes the idea of moving somewhere where someone else...

t. desert dweller who wants to move to vancouver
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>>1277418
I'm not a huge fan of car reliance myself. Also, people from Ohio are like any major historical diaspora people like the Romani, the Irish, Jews, etc. They pretty much wind up everywhere. You have my condolences.

t. Ohioan
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>>1272444
Greetings fellow metro-detroiter!
I am in Waterford. I love this town and hate it so much.
Am planning on becoming an expat, just not sure where

Detroit is a meme
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>>1277254

minnesota is nice but dont bother living outside the twin cities. other areas have nice parts but dont really compare. If I HAD to pick a number two after the twin cities it's duluth due to outdoors stuff.

and since a few people have mentioned it:
my apartment building is probably 60%-70% somali. first generation somalians keep to themselves, second generation ones assimilate due to public schooling and, in my experience, are pretty normal. they are quiet neighbors. i have no complaints in three years living in close quarters with them and 10+ years in minneapolis.
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Turkroach here. I'm definitely not happy here and hope someday i can leave for good.
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>>1279537
Grass is always greener, sure. But if you asked people who live where you romanticize and ask them if they'd like to live where you currently live you might get a different answer. That's when you know you live in a lame place.
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>>1270863
Seattle. People always talk about wanting to live here but I hate it tbqh. Expensive, full of SJW's, and depressing weather 3/4ths of the year with people that match the climate.
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>mentally handicapped and arrogant people
>never ending corruption everywhere
>backwards education system
>shitskins everywhere
>'it could be worse' + 'at least we're not congolombia' mentallity
>dumb """"women"""
>crab mentality
>backstabbing and scamming are considered a virtue
>life inside a bubble
>brown reggaeton shithole
>feminism growing
>garbage everywhere
>no national identity
>chinks everywhere
>controlled by kikes
>no international standards
>WE WUZ THE WORLD'S GRANARY, WE'LL BE IT AGAIN, EUROS WILL MASSIVELY MIGRATE HERE TO DO MENIAL JOBS AGAIN
>caste society
>absurdely high taxes for a 3rd world country
>lower classes are degenerate and have no brain or soul
>upper class is degenerate and have no brain or soul
>mafias everywhere
>pigeons

>To describe Argentina, it's like an autistic kid acting cocky on the internet who is just lucky and safe inside his isolated room.

tl;dr
No
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>>1280344
>crab mentality
The fuck is that?
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>>1280361
Just a /pol/tard copypasta
You can tell it's not even from a real argie, just some troll. Seen it for japan, australia, chile and other countries too.

/pol/tards are the cancer of this site.
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>>1280457
True.

Because IRL is far worse than the pasta

t. Argie
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>>1280361
Imagine a bucket filled with crabs, just as one crab tries to leave the bucket he will get pulled back in by another.
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>>1280651
Esto de la "crab mentality" seria como basurear a tu país por internet en un foro de viajes para chuparle la pija a un par de extranjeros? Así nos hundis a los que nos queremos quedar y progresar? Porque es lo que estas haciendo.

Si no te gusta el pais andate bobito, no llores en internet. Nadie te impide que te vayas. Andate! Fijate cuanto te sale una educación universitaria en otro país
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Why so mad tho?
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>I got owned
>I got no argument so I'll just post a trollface
Fuck off back to your containtment board /pol/tard
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>Argentina
>progresar
That's why your economy is worse than P*ru's and you come to Chile to buy things?

Your era is over, argies. Just accept it. You're neither relevant nor white anymore. Nobody likes you either
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>>1280689
>Chileans immigrate to Argentina
>Complains about Argentine tourists going shopping in Chile
Which one is worse retard?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Argentines
>Argentina is home to the largest Chilean diaspora group. According to the Argentine 2010 census, there are 191.147 Chileans living in the country (born in Chilean territory). An estimate 2003-2004 estimated Chilean descendants, born in Argentina to a Chilean father or mother, in 190,000.

>Other figures, such as those by The World Factbook, show a total population (including those born in Chile and their descendants) of 429,708 people

Our GDP is twice yours so I don't know where the economy bit comes from either.
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>>1280682
>Fijate cuanto te sale una educación universitaria en otro país
Hambrientinos, ladies and gentlemen
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>>1280690
Chileans go to your country to use your free stuff and go back to their functional 1st world country

Meanwhile your own citizens starve to death in the north, argie
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>>1280693
>chile
>first world
Wow you are really fucking delusional
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>>1280695
Let me guess, you also believe that the Falklands belong to you, right?
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>>1280699
I'm not the one lying on the internet and posting delusional shit, Chilean. Your inferiority complex is pathetic. Thanks for outing yourself as the resentful lying scum you are.
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>>1280690
>1 argentine peso - 16 USD
>3 peruvian sol - 1 USD
Nice economy you got there, friend.

Karma is a bitch. God's punishing your treacherous nation.
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>>1280701
>de seguro sos un negro resentido
So the stereotypes are true. That's the only thing you argies know how to say?
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>I don't understand economics: The Post
I guess Japan is poor since 1 USD equals 112 Yen

Meanwhile, in the real world...
http://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

Argentina GDP per Capita - $14,270 USD
Chile GDP per Capita - $13,660 USD
Peru GDP per Capita - $6,510 USD

You are embarrassing yourself.
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>Fijate cuanto te sale una educación universitaria en otro país

Uruguay: free
Italy: free
Germany: free
Scotland: free
Ireland: free
All nordic countries: free
Austria: free
France: free
Greece: free
Mexico: free
Russia: free
Other slavic/ex USSR countries: free

>b-but muh UBA is the only free university on Earth!
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>>1273715
as a lifelong brooklynite
>Harlem
It's shit, also it's just the north part of Manhattan above Central Park
>The Bronx
I went to college in the Bronx, parts of it are nice and filled with rich jews; the south bronx is shit that you only go to if you want to see the yankees
>Manhattan
People work here, you won't be living here unless you're CEOing making 10k a day. Also it feels like a parody of New York at this point; there's honestly no reason to walk around midtown unless you have to.
>Staten Island
L M A O it's horrible. Live here if you like 90 minute commutes including ferry rides, 20 dollar bridge tolls, and wishing you at least had the self-respect to live in New Jersey instead.
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>>1280361
I'm guessing that's because argies never go forward. They move to their sides and so are stuck always in the same place.
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Tauranga, NZ. Pretty good I think. Friendly people, relatively low crime, lots of outdoorsy stuff to do, and not too far from the proper cities. Biggest problem is mass immigration from Asia and the mess that is Auckland, the population's growing faster than the infrastructure and housing market can handle, resulting in shitty traffic and increasing homelessness, and all the problems that come with that. The culture's pretty meh too, but that's not too much of a big deal.
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>>1280713
what about queens?
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>>1271122
lemme guess. College Park?
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can anyone feasibly live in NYC without living off of NEET bucks from their parents? Literally everyone I met who transplanted to NYC were already wealthy. NYC always seemed to me to be a place that was cool in the past but now just serves to be an elitest playground.
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>>1280361
It's basically that people prevent each other from succeeding, like how crabs prevent each other from leaving the bucket
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Anyone with questions about NYC, here I am.
>born in raised in shitty middle class pretentious suburban neighborhood in Brooklyn
>area slowly becoming overpriced
>filled with closet communists
>Brooklyn filled with rich guido Italians, trashy Irish, Jews who hate non-Jews, ghetto blacks who think everything racist, Mexicans and Chinese who are dirty and don't speak English, Indians and muslims who have 10 kids, and pretentious hipsters
See the thread I started for more info. It should answer any questions you have and if not then feel free to ask more
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damn I am looking for somewhere else to live in the US. This thread just makes me feel incredibly cynical about even trying since it seems everyone hates where they live. Is every city in the US shitty or are you all just jaded?
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>>1280906
>but now just serves to be an elitist playground.

It's still cool and one of the cultural capitals of the world. Art, food, music, theater, etc. etc. are all kicking here. However, yes, Manhattan is best if you have lots of disposable income.
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I feel like Austin and Portland are the same city with a different climate
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>>1270863
I've lived in Austin my entire life but am currently going to school in Fargo, ND. It's cold as shit and pretty godawful boring, but the people are nice at least.

Planning on moving to Chicago as soon as I graduate.
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>>1280344
at least you arent brazilian
being brazilian is the worst thing you can be

also is /pol/ invading /trv/? MODSS
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>>1280705
lol the Chilean got owned so bad
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>>1270863
No and it's not just because of where I live.
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>>1280941
I think it's more of the latter. But that's my opinion.
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>>1270863
Fellow miserable Ohioan planning an escape too.
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>>1270863
>Are you happy where you live?

I live in Cleveland. When 35% of your city's revenue is based on a guy who plays with a ball for a living, it's obvious your residents have literally nothing to live for.

Since 1970, there's been this hype that Cleveland is "really turning around." Truth is, it's miserable. The people are miserable, the economy is stagnant, the crime and homelessness is out of control.

It's a shame, too. It's on a Great Lake, surrounded by park systems and nature. It could be like Portland or something, but it has been criminally neglected for decades.

Cleveland, 0-10. I should've left a while ago.
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>>1280937
You don't deserve NYC
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>>1280713
This post is retarded. You can find reasonable rent in Manhattan. You think Manhattan is Midtown, which is so far from the truth.
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>>1284709
Where to?
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>>1270863
>London, UK
absolutely not. what a polluted, packed, expensive shithole. it's like you're paying to live in misery. it's probably okay to visit, but abhorrent to live in.
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>>1280703
>exchange rate is the economy
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>>1284730
I made a thread not to long ago about moving back. How awful, anon.
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>>1280703
>Amerifat detected
Dun goofed template #32
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>>1274975
i'm from new orleans and i am trying to move to seattle. am i making a mistake?

i do not mind being poor, as long as i can save money. i have good experience working in kitchens and fish houses. i just want to live a low key life somewhere where i can go for a walk on a foggy day and not get shot or robbed or trip over a junkie.
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I live in the suburbs of Wilmington, Delaware.

It's not terrible. the neighborhood I live in is nice but it's surrounded by seedier areas filled with rednecks, and it's right outside the city. The actual city of Wilmington has some cool bars, a minor league baseball stadium, and some neat riverfront attractions. I would much rather move someplace else but I'm kind of stuck here for school.
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>>1285240
exchange rate is a rough reflection of how much strength one economy has v the other you blithering retard
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lived in los angeles

full of guns, your taxes pay for thr families of repeat violent criminals, college grads are so stupid it should be a crime, they read at an 8th grade level on average

fuck california. moved out 3 years ago and never regretted it for a second
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>>1276189
It's all that feminism from those raging left-wing hippie communes burning their commie-converting incense in kitsilano.

I kid, but I do think part of this is there's lots of women who themselves travel and are more independent then in other places in Canada.

>>1272644
You're not wrong about Vancouver, BC but to be honest if you do find a niche here it's pretty damn good. There are lots of kind of cringey ways to meet people like online meet groups and such but once you're there you realise it's a friendly group of lonesome travellers who have a group of friends for a thing. Met some great and lasting friends this way.
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>>1277465
How much of a meme is the whole refugee thing in Sweden? I'm Canadian but my partner is German and I was in Germany when the whole 'crisis' started to unfold (2 years ago). People seemed a bit on edge about it and you could see refugees in the streets. The news has made Sweden seem much worse, I figure it's mostly lies but never met a Swede since then.
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>>1287357
10/10 Troll. Well played.
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>>1287358
Yes. Everyone is a troll, racist, nazi.

Brilliant epistemology.
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>>1287357
proof?
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>>1287385
You can't ask for proof racist

The fact you are even thinking it could possibly be true is a sign you've been brainwashed

This is why we need more immigration. So people like you are gone
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>>1287357
Nice trolling
Pic related. It's an actual Swedish rape-center.
Fake showerheads actually release brown penises when the blonde victim goes to shower.
inb4
>the future will prove me right
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>>1287344
No it's not retard. Exchange rate is just a number. How well that number holds up in the long term reflects the strenght of the economy.

Japan where $1 USD = ¥112 yen has a stronger economy than South Africa where $1 USD = $13 Rand




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