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Yeah I know it's cringe, but how is he wrong?
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Water is wet.
The sky is blue.
The sun is hot.

Stating obvious truths is very deep.
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>>88881774
Okay but niggers don't belong in Europe
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>>88881774
Why don't they all just kill themselves if they hate life so much?
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>>88881774
It's beyond pseudo intellectual philosophy 101 bullshit.

Imagine a literal down-syndrome retard trying to recite Nietzsche.

That's rick and morty.
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If nothing matters then why won't you eat your own shit?
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>>88881822
>Stating obvious truths is very deep.
It's not obvious to most people
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>>88881774
because he's wrong on all points
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Its just such a trivial statement and said with such a defeatist attitude.
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>>88881875
They're scared of dying

>>88881883
It may be dumbed down but the point still stands
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>>88881774
Nihilism is irrefutable.
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>>88881774
He said it to stop his sister ruining her life
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>>88881905
Yeah it is, shit doesn't really matter so do what matters to you the most is trivial shit most people live by even if they don't realize it.
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I'm conscious for some reason along with billions of others in a universe full of countless superclusters. who is to say I won't arise again?
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>>88882151
maybe you already are but don't know it
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>>88882111
Well it may be trivial shit but that doesn't make it less true
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>Nobody exists on purpose
Unfalsifiable.
>Nobody belongs anywhere
False from many relativistic perspectives(the only kind of perspective a human can have)
>We're all going to die
Technically unfalsifiable.

2/3rds of it isn't truth-apt and the other third is either nonsensical or wrong.
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>>88881774
It's cringe because it's a lazy bastardization of a Sartre quote. Literally "let's take something I heard in a 1000 level intro to phil course, dumb it down, and put it in the show!"
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>>88882281
it's in there for a reason, it has context
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gXaMnkmGq0
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>>88881883
Nietzsche was an existentialist, he didn't even say edgy crap like what R&M pushes.

>>88882018
It's an unfalsifiable, cognitivist stance, so it's actually easily refutable.
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>>88882208
Adding to this, "Nobody exists on purpose" is either unfalsifiable in a universalist context or simply false from a relativistic one as many people from many perspectives do in fact exist on purpose as their parents intended.
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>>88882281
I'm fully aware of why it's cringe worthy, but that doesn't make it untrue.
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>>88882299
The context is "let's make this show DEEEP in the laziest way possible by throwing in something I literally heard in a 1000 level phil course I took at communuty college."
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>>88882372
>Nietzsche was an existentialist, he didn't even say edgy crap like what R&M pushes.
Oh please. Nietzsche was incredibly edgy and yes he did talk about meaning (or the lack of it) in the world. It's basically his shtick.
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>>88882299
doesn't make it any less cringy or wrong
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>>88882420
see >>88882208 and >>88882412
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>fishing for a religious argument on /tv/ - television and film
obviously you're one of the intellectuals this show is designed for.

the quote is false and 100% there's a god, btw, if you just open your heart and accept him instead of being such a prideful piece of shit.
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>>88882425
who is morty telling it to
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>>88881905
it is, most people just learn to get over it or choose to ignore it. "smart" people seem to think they're the only ones that care about philosophical issues like that when they're really just the ones that agonize over them instead of choosing to spend their time on other things.
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>>88882435
>"Meaning and morality of One's life come from within oneself. Healthy, strong individuals seek self expansion by experimenting and by living dangerously. Life consists of an infinite number of possibilities and the healthy person explores as many of them as posible. Religions that teach pity, self-contempt, humility, self-restraint and guilt are incorrect. The good life is ever changing, challenging, devoid of regret, intense, creative and risky.”
Open up a book and then talk.
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>>88882481
His sister
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>>88882173
Yes if our specific consciousness is contingent on material configuration then wouldn't that imply one observer can operate from two different bodies given the right conditions?
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>>88882597
Not him but that wouldn't multiply the observer in any way.
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>>88882533
No most people are still blissfully unaware, they have religion or some other form of spirituality to give them a purpose.
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>>88882533
How is choosing to spend times on other things inherently superior to trying to figure out the conditions and bases of your phenomenological perspective?
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>>88882721
it's not, i didn't say it was. i don't think it's inferior though.
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>>88882597
yeah, but they wouldn't necessarily be aware of each other

if we go on multiverse theory then think of all the infinite timelines that are yet to diverge
every attosecond for the entire duration of eternity

I don't think about this stuff because it's pointless
we can't test or interact with anything, any theory is as valid as another
and none of it will ever affect us
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>>88881774
You belong on reddit
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>>88882666
Then it raises the question as to why our field of awareness is limited to one body. Why this one and not another. What distinguishes you from me?
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Life happens then you die
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to have sex
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>>88882886
something redditors will never have
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>>88882818
Nice try sweetie
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>>88881774
He's not wrong. But this is something you should have realized when you were 7. And the fact that your life will be short does not exclude meaning or the existence of a creator.

"You will die" is a meaningful expression, but not in the way reddit and memey fanboys think.
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>>88882824
Our sensory information and context of memory appear to have boundaries. I cannot sense what you sense, or remember what you remember.
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>>88882789
Well I'm tempted when people assume it's eternal oblivion after death when I somehow came into existence in the first place.
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>>88882913
He is literally wrong, though.
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>>88882824
Memory. This is actualy a very basic philisophical question that has been answered in different forms since the 1700s. It comes down to memory.

It is trite and overused, but the basis of all knowledge comes from the descarte quote. "Cogito ergo sum".
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>>88882918
If we could bridge our brains together through an inter-brain corpus callosum, this subject would move forward and likely raise more questions.
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>>88883223
Not really, we'd just become a single entity with shared boundaries on our senses and memories.
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>>88881774
> nobody exists on purpose
> nobody belongs to anyone
pure judaism
> we're all going to die
some of us will get eternal life
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I'll accept double quads.
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our perception is at the bottom of a physical construct of awareness, but it's like a fish in water that doesn't know it's in water
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>>88882939
What is wrong? His statement is basicaly twofold. We will die and we have free will. Which of these do you disagree with?

The conclusion that nothing matters is silly, the very fact that the idiot harmon makes the show instead of sucking dick under the freeway means that he thinks things matter. But the two statements are true.
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>>88881774
Why comedy shows always try to get all serious and melodramatic? Simpsons and Futurama did this shit too
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Jesus died for my sins so that I could be with my creator in an everlasting paradise.
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>>88881774
>Nobody exist on purpose
For atheists people is true

>Nobody belongs anywhere
If you don´t have a family or a place to call home is true

>We´re all going to die
That´s true, but again if you are an atheist, is the end of the road, for theist people is just another step.
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>>88882818
>>88882908
>>88882913
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>>88883292
Thats just retarded. God is real but eternal life is a ridiculous hell.
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>>88883378
†=
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>>88883349
>>88882208 and >>88882412
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>>88881774
Because we all exist for a holy purpose beyond our wildest comprehension. Because we all belong everywhere, the loving embrace of nature and nature's god superseding any fear or petty rivalry. Because each and every life holds an infinite value, all beings a unique reflection of their loving creator.

And while we exit this world, only those that choose to truly die.
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>>88882420
It doesn't matter whether it's true or not, the fact it's cringe worthy is enough reason to hate it
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>>88882111
>>88882533
When does it become so obvious to everyone?
I'm finishing high school (lol get out kid etc) and last week in the philosophy class I mentioned that most people won't achieve anything special and their kids are the only legacy that they will leave, and I got a few weird looks and one guy asked me why am I such a pessimist and why do I think that.
I had no clue how to answer that, I literally stated the obvious and some people had a hard time understanding it. Maybe it's because that's high school, but I'm not exceptional, I don't consider myself more mature than the rest.

Also, I think that the insanely huge fanbase of Rick an Morty proves that nihilism 101 is the pinnacle of philosophical thought to many people.
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>>88883292
>>88883378
>>88883417
Do people seriously believe in the afterlife? Your consciousness is tethered to your physical brain, if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.
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>>88883577
> if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.

Prove it.
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>>88883562
when they get menial jobs and realize that's all they'll be doing for the rest of their lives
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>>88881774
That is obvious to most people they just don't put such a negative spin on it. This is only profound to all of the basement dwelling fucks that waste their life away behind a screen instead of going out and actually doing something with the limited amount of time we have on this earth.
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>>88882578
He speaks like a Sri Lanka Buddhist
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>>88883481
Aah. A true philosphal asshole. Well how do we know we all must die then? I'm sure you are familiar with the greek proof. Or perhaps that was your intention becuse what is pupose when it comes to existence. But the statement "we all must die" is a classically unproven truth.
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>>88883562
"Special" and the concept of a "legacy" are either subjective or relative terms depending on their contexts. It's you who is the brainlet. Sorry.
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>>88883562
>When does it become so obvious to everyone?
Never, only virgins believe they dont have a purpose.

Chads know their purpose is to get laid, because that's where his dick fits.
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>>88883562
'special' is subjective
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>>88883616
People with head injuries/trauma start to lose parts of their full conscious experience. They aren't the same people anymore. It's not a stretch to think that it would completely disappear if your brain died.
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atheism is more of a conjecture than theism (just my opinion)
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>>88883577
>Your consciousness is tethered to your physical brain, if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.

nothing dies it just changes form.
of course death is a change. People who is afraid of change is the one wich is afraid to die.
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>>88883657
It is technically unfalsifiable, the statement isn't truth-apt given our current apparatuses. That's all I'm saying. It is technically feasible that our understanding of death is limited, or that one could achieve a form of immortality, however absurd and unlikely these things may seem.
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>>88883652
>He speaks like a Sri Lanka Buddhist
Except pity, humility, and self-restraint and are all Buddhist teachings
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>>88881774
>nobody exists on purpose
maybe if you don't know who your dad is.
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>>88883577
Oh? Considering the infinite complexity and perfect laws of creation, it's a damn logical thing to say some singularly reasonable force created it all.

And what's more, the ability to separate real from ideal and move towards it proves a singular, good force everything is naturally ordered towards must logically exist. And the conscience within us hints very steadily to a world outside the physical, one we can't properly understand but by acting morally or immorally encounter all the time
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>>88883737
Wrong
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>>88883715
>"image" as the filename
>posting with an outdated reddit tier meme
>specifying it's your opinion to avoid harsh criticism
Is this your first time posting?
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>>88883714
Good thing I'm not identical with my conscious experience, otherwise I would die for a nap.
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>>88881822

This.

Rick and Morty is basically a bombardment of cynical platitudes about the world, nothing else.
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>>88883774
How so?
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>>88883714
But you could only tell what it was like if it happened to you. Like people experiencing afterlife while being dead for 1 second and them revived.
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>>88883743
Do you think when you roll double sixes in craps you did it on purpose? Or do you even underatand what that means?
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>>88883798
Memes have no expiration date
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>>88881883
>Nietzsche
>meaningful
>good
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>>88883774
http://buddhistdailywisdom.com/humility-in-buddhism
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>>88883562
If nothing matters to you, then how would you feel if someone held you down and forcibly cut off a few of your fingers? Would that act have any meaning to you? Obviously it would.

The problem with nihilists is that you claim that there's no meaning in the world, but what you actually mean by that is that there's no "positive" meaning in the world. You're perfectly happy to accept the negative meaning, because there's no denying it. You actively live your life to avoid painful experiences like the one I described above. In that sense, you're attributing negative meaning to those experiences.

Why do you have such an easy time accepting negative meaning in the world, but not the positive? I'm not claiming to have a good answer to that question, but the point is, if negative meaning exists, it's extremely likely that positive meaning exists too. And obviously it does, because there are certain positive experiences in life that you actively try to move towards.

The root problem is that you have a poor definition of what it means for something to be meaningful.
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That's not cringe, it's cool.

Why do people let a bunch of cringey people ruin a show? If I like something, then I find out that a bunch of social retards also like that thing, I'm not going to stop liking that thing.
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>>88883832
Venerable Wirathu can ethnically cleanse Muslims from Burma and successfully follow the 3 jewels. Besides that, without getting into a history spanning millenia, Buddhism teaches simply to live mindfully.
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>>88883737
Actually this depends on the sect of Buddhism in question, though I'm not familiar with the Sri Lankan variety. Some sects worship and pray to Buddha and relics similarly to an abrahamic religion, for example.
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>>88883859
Objectively false
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>>88883912
You didn't read your article did you?
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>>88881822
fpbp. Retarded fans of Rick and Morty are the same people who think black science man is an intellectual.
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>>88883912
>lets use this site promoting budhism as a source
Nigger you are retarded. There are literal bhudist organized crime organizations in se asia. Some are on the terrorist watchlist. I am very skeptical of the existence of siddhartha. Let alone his nirvana under the tree.
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>god is dead, and we have killed him
I mean fuck I'm a little out of the ordinary cause I'm a Catholic that loves Dostoevsky, but even I see the meaning in it. Nietzsche was simply pointing out our society, though claiming to love god, undermines any attempt of godliness or indeed a good life. His whole philosophy was just an even more drawn out version of the idiot.

But no, R&M sounds soooooo smart blathering off god is dead and nothing matters. At least it's funny knowing the character was made to mock them
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>>88883832
buddha literally says living without fear is the key to enlightenment
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>Nothing spontaneously wills itself into existence
>Nothing comes from nothing (t. Lucretius, epicurean atheist)
>Everything is the result of the circumstances of its creation
>Everything has a logical purpose
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>>88884025
I did. It said the perception of humility the way neetche used it is false and it actually is important for Buddhist to foster humility which goes along with both the mission of Bodhisattvas as well as self-enlightment.
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>>88883916
There's actually a term, "Positive Nihilist", designed to get around the objection you raise. The full Morty quote ends with "We're all going to die. Come watch TV?" Which is kind of positive nihilism, if you think about it.
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>>88884027
Ugh. That guy.
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>>88883942
ah yeah, I already knew that which is why I corrected you.
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>>88881774

Rick and Morty makes people feel smart because it does a pretty ok job at repackaging some basic philosophy and mixing it with non-mainstream sci-fi tropes. So you're getting college freshmen level liberal arts bullshit with settings and gags out of grognard tabletop RPG's which to a mainstream audience is pretty fucking alien and exciting.

If nothing in Rick and Morty surprises you it just means that you're already familiar with all the material probably because it's one of your interests. If you're someone that doesn't know thing 1 about sci-fi or lovecraft or basic philosophy these are all exciting new crazy things that you can't wait to talk to all your friends about.

It's like that guy that gets his mind blown by Psych 101 at college and immediately thinks that he can diagnose all his friends, or makes everyone take meyers-briggs personality tests so you can figure out who's an ENTP chad and who's an ISTJ cuck, etc... same shit, different format.
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>>88881774
>guaranteed replies
and not about /tv/ despite putting a cartoon in your OP
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>>88884072
Then you understand we're at an impasse where Buddhism and nietszche define humility differently and in this context, nietszche's definition does not accurately describe Buddhist teachings.
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>>88884027

Black science man is actually a pretty smart dude, but like Bill Nye, his whole job is trying to boil down complex topics that are best understood through years and years of higher learning to mainstream audiences that if given a telescope would look through the wrong end of it. He's an educator first, and a "super smart science man" second.
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>>88884035
>There are literal bhudist organized crime organizations in se asia.
Organized Crime in the West such as mafia or Latin American Cartels are iheavily Catholic. You have Islamic terrorist groups. It's not a contradiction to be religious and involved in crime. Whether or not it's in someone's mind it's hypocritically based on their understanding of said religion is another thing entirely.
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>>88884186
Agreed but black science man needs to stick to astrophysics and keep out of politics
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>>88881916
You are not going to die?

Please teach me your secrets
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>>88882281
What Sartre quote?
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>>88883658
>>88883696
I know, but we were discussing accidental pregnancies and the morality of abortion. I said that in most cases, people think that a kid is going to ruin their lives and they won't be able to follow their dreams; but most of them won't actually be remembered, change the course of history, do anything impactful etc., so they should just keep the child. From society's perspective, that's the best thing. But I didn't say that it's an objective truth.
Interesting thing is that I got the weird looks from people who agreed with me, but their argument was "it's the right thing".

>>88883683
I believe that the only purpose is the one that we give ourselves

>>88883916
I'm not a nihilist. Or at least the kind that goes around and says that life has no meaning and we should all kill ourselves etc. I actually believe in the ideas of culture preservation, even though they ultimately have no purpose, since humanity won't last forever.
As for life in general - even though it probably has no meaning, why not spend your time on Earth productively and pleasantly?
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>>88884322
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=sartre+death+quotes
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>>88881916

>god did it

You people...
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>pendulum has swung so far even normies hate R&M now
When will it be cool to like it on here?
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>>88884579
>he actually thinks it fades to black
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>>88884884

ask yourself if you like rick and morty and then carry that opinion even in the face of people who don't agree with it but don't get mad if they get mad, that's being cool
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>>88884884
As soon as they make a R&M sequel people will start defending this one.

Worked with the prequels.
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>>88881774
This is like the exact opposite message of evangelion.
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>>88881774
says the lil shit that can portal with his gramps. most of the time they cause the bullshit
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Nihilism is for faggots.
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This thread is full of hypocrites
Making themselves feel smart for "analysing" and "understanding" how shallow Rick and Morty is all while bashing on people who feel smar for "analysing" and "uderstanding" how deep Rick and Morty is.
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>>88885075
Nihilism is a base point not a philosophy.
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>>88885098
That whole "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty" pasta is the most ironic pieceof pasta /tv/ ever came up with, everything posted about it here boils down to

>to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to uderstand how bad Rick and Morty is
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>>88885282
>/tv/ ever came up

Actually, it is from reddit
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>people think that this quote was a commentary on philosophy rather than a moment of character development
You are every bit the shitheads reddit is but instead you're trying to prove how smart you are by talking about how it's just a "simple" version of Sartre.
>It's just a shitty philosophy 101 quote in an attempt to look deep. I should know, I'm a deep person myself, I made it all the way to 201.
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>>88885553
>It's just a shitty philosophy 101 quote in an attempt to look deep. I should know, I'm a deep person myself, I made it all the way to 201

Mix this with "these fans are so fucking retard, I'm so smart for knowing this!" and you have every rick and morty thread here
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>>88881774
If nothing matters, then it doesn't matter that nothing matters, so do what you want... or not. You're free to do whatever, it ultimately doesn't matter.
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>>88884027
Jesus fucking christ that's a real tweet isn't it
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>>88881774
yes lets do what ever we want
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>>88881904
If things do matter, why waste what precious moments you have on a Mongolian color blindness test forum?
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>>88882018

>Nihilism is irrefutable.

Then prove it
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>>88882208
So at least one person ISN'T going to die? You're just arguing to be a cunt. Mission accomplished.
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>So at least one person ISN'T going to die? You're just arguing to be a cunt. Mission accomplished.
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I still don't get why people think that R&M promotes nihilism.
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>>88884048
Fearlessness doesn't contradict pity, humility, and self-restraint.
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>>88887061
that's because you still don't know what nihilism is
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>>88888888
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>>88887341
That's not an answer.
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>>88887431
>That's not the answer I wanna hear
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>>88887455
Nice dodge!
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>>88887431
Well, maybe you don't.
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>>88883714
>prove it
>well it's not a stretch to think...
That's not how that works
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>>88883652
At the turn of the century, non-abrahamic religions were in vogue in Germany, with a lot of theologians, authors and philosophers using 'oriental' mythos and religion to deal with the emerging issue of existentialism (brought around by fervent christian Kiekergaard). Nietsche embodies this in 'Thus spake zarathustra', in which he uses a figure of Zoroastrian mythology to represent his concept of the ubermencsh, and Herman Hesse's 'Siddhartha' which is a retelling of the story of the first buddha and how he achieved enlightenment. If you haven't read them are and interested in learning more about early existentialism/the impact of 'oriental' though/religion/philosophy on the western thought, its an area of literature really worth looking into.
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>>88883746
why do you think that the world was made to fit us rather than the more logical explanation that we evolved to live within the world?

doesnt it make a lot more sense for the life that can exist being a result of evolution (as in, it exists because it can) rather than the world and universe was designed for us to live in perfectly? if that was the case why do we have to wear clothes, or get sick from environmental factors, or get sick at all? if it was designed for us why is it such a clear struggle for life to survive?




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