Yeah I know it's cringe, but how is he wrong?
Water is wet.The sky is blue.The sun is hot.Stating obvious truths is very deep.
>>88881774Okay but niggers don't belong in Europe
>>88881774Why don't they all just kill themselves if they hate life so much?
>>88881774It's beyond pseudo intellectual philosophy 101 bullshit.Imagine a literal down-syndrome retard trying to recite Nietzsche. That's rick and morty.
If nothing matters then why won't you eat your own shit?
>>88881822>Stating obvious truths is very deep.It's not obvious to most people
>>88881774because he's wrong on all points
Its just such a trivial statement and said with such a defeatist attitude.
>>88881875They're scared of dying>>88881883It may be dumbed down but the point still stands
>>88881774Nihilism is irrefutable.
>>88881774He said it to stop his sister ruining her life
>>88881905Yeah it is, shit doesn't really matter so do what matters to you the most is trivial shit most people live by even if they don't realize it.
I'm conscious for some reason along with billions of others in a universe full of countless superclusters. who is to say I won't arise again?
>>88882151maybe you already are but don't know it
>>88882111Well it may be trivial shit but that doesn't make it less true
>Nobody exists on purposeUnfalsifiable.>Nobody belongs anywhereFalse from many relativistic perspectives(the only kind of perspective a human can have)>We're all going to dieTechnically unfalsifiable.2/3rds of it isn't truth-apt and the other third is either nonsensical or wrong.
>>88881774It's cringe because it's a lazy bastardization of a Sartre quote. Literally "let's take something I heard in a 1000 level intro to phil course, dumb it down, and put it in the show!"
>>88882281it's in there for a reason, it has context
>>88881883Nietzsche was an existentialist, he didn't even say edgy crap like what R&M pushes.>>88882018It's an unfalsifiable, cognitivist stance, so it's actually easily refutable.
>>88882208Adding to this, "Nobody exists on purpose" is either unfalsifiable in a universalist context or simply false from a relativistic one as many people from many perspectives do in fact exist on purpose as their parents intended.
>>88882281I'm fully aware of why it's cringe worthy, but that doesn't make it untrue.
>>88882299The context is "let's make this show DEEEP in the laziest way possible by throwing in something I literally heard in a 1000 level phil course I took at communuty college."
>>88882372>Nietzsche was an existentialist, he didn't even say edgy crap like what R&M pushes.Oh please. Nietzsche was incredibly edgy and yes he did talk about meaning (or the lack of it) in the world. It's basically his shtick.
>>88882299doesn't make it any less cringy or wrong
>>88882420see >>88882208 and >>88882412
>fishing for a religious argument on /tv/ - television and filmobviously you're one of the intellectuals this show is designed for.the quote is false and 100% there's a god, btw, if you just open your heart and accept him instead of being such a prideful piece of shit.
>>88882425who is morty telling it to
>>88881905it is, most people just learn to get over it or choose to ignore it. "smart" people seem to think they're the only ones that care about philosophical issues like that when they're really just the ones that agonize over them instead of choosing to spend their time on other things.
>>88882435>"Meaning and morality of One's life come from within oneself. Healthy, strong individuals seek self expansion by experimenting and by living dangerously. Life consists of an infinite number of possibilities and the healthy person explores as many of them as posible. Religions that teach pity, self-contempt, humility, self-restraint and guilt are incorrect. The good life is ever changing, challenging, devoid of regret, intense, creative and risky.” Open up a book and then talk.
>>88882173Yes if our specific consciousness is contingent on material configuration then wouldn't that imply one observer can operate from two different bodies given the right conditions?
>>88882597Not him but that wouldn't multiply the observer in any way.
>>88882533No most people are still blissfully unaware, they have religion or some other form of spirituality to give them a purpose.
>>88882533How is choosing to spend times on other things inherently superior to trying to figure out the conditions and bases of your phenomenological perspective?
>>88882721it's not, i didn't say it was. i don't think it's inferior though.
>>88882597yeah, but they wouldn't necessarily be aware of each otherif we go on multiverse theory then think of all the infinite timelines that are yet to divergeevery attosecond for the entire duration of eternityI don't think about this stuff because it's pointlesswe can't test or interact with anything, any theory is as valid as anotherand none of it will ever affect us
>>88881774You belong on reddit
>>88882666Then it raises the question as to why our field of awareness is limited to one body. Why this one and not another. What distinguishes you from me?
Life happens then you die
to have sex
>>88882886something redditors will never have
>>88882818Nice try sweetie
>>88881774He's not wrong. But this is something you should have realized when you were 7. And the fact that your life will be short does not exclude meaning or the existence of a creator. "You will die" is a meaningful expression, but not in the way reddit and memey fanboys think.
>>88882824Our sensory information and context of memory appear to have boundaries. I cannot sense what you sense, or remember what you remember.
>>88882789Well I'm tempted when people assume it's eternal oblivion after death when I somehow came into existence in the first place.
>>88882913He is literally wrong, though.
>>88882824Memory. This is actualy a very basic philisophical question that has been answered in different forms since the 1700s. It comes down to memory. It is trite and overused, but the basis of all knowledge comes from the descarte quote. "Cogito ergo sum".
>>88882918If we could bridge our brains together through an inter-brain corpus callosum, this subject would move forward and likely raise more questions.
>>88883223Not really, we'd just become a single entity with shared boundaries on our senses and memories.
>>88881774> nobody exists on purpose> nobody belongs to anyonepure judaism> we're all going to diesome of us will get eternal life
I'll accept double quads.
our perception is at the bottom of a physical construct of awareness, but it's like a fish in water that doesn't know it's in water
>>88882939What is wrong? His statement is basicaly twofold. We will die and we have free will. Which of these do you disagree with? The conclusion that nothing matters is silly, the very fact that the idiot harmon makes the show instead of sucking dick under the freeway means that he thinks things matter. But the two statements are true.
>>88881774Why comedy shows always try to get all serious and melodramatic? Simpsons and Futurama did this shit too
Jesus died for my sins so that I could be with my creator in an everlasting paradise.
>>88881774>Nobody exist on purposeFor atheists people is true>Nobody belongs anywhereIf you don´t have a family or a place to call home is true>We´re all going to dieThat´s true, but again if you are an atheist, is the end of the road, for theist people is just another step.
>>88883292Thats just retarded. God is real but eternal life is a ridiculous hell.
>>88883349>>88882208 and >>88882412
>>88881774Because we all exist for a holy purpose beyond our wildest comprehension. Because we all belong everywhere, the loving embrace of nature and nature's god superseding any fear or petty rivalry. Because each and every life holds an infinite value, all beings a unique reflection of their loving creator.And while we exit this world, only those that choose to truly die.
>>88882420It doesn't matter whether it's true or not, the fact it's cringe worthy is enough reason to hate it
>>88882111 >>88882533When does it become so obvious to everyone?I'm finishing high school (lol get out kid etc) and last week in the philosophy class I mentioned that most people won't achieve anything special and their kids are the only legacy that they will leave, and I got a few weird looks and one guy asked me why am I such a pessimist and why do I think that.I had no clue how to answer that, I literally stated the obvious and some people had a hard time understanding it. Maybe it's because that's high school, but I'm not exceptional, I don't consider myself more mature than the rest. Also, I think that the insanely huge fanbase of Rick an Morty proves that nihilism 101 is the pinnacle of philosophical thought to many people.
>>88883292>>88883378>>88883417Do people seriously believe in the afterlife? Your consciousness is tethered to your physical brain, if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.
>>88883577> if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.Prove it.
>>88883562when they get menial jobs and realize that's all they'll be doing for the rest of their lives
>>88881774That is obvious to most people they just don't put such a negative spin on it. This is only profound to all of the basement dwelling fucks that waste their life away behind a screen instead of going out and actually doing something with the limited amount of time we have on this earth.
>>88882578He speaks like a Sri Lanka Buddhist
>>88883481Aah. A true philosphal asshole. Well how do we know we all must die then? I'm sure you are familiar with the greek proof. Or perhaps that was your intention becuse what is pupose when it comes to existence. But the statement "we all must die" is a classically unproven truth.
>>88883562"Special" and the concept of a "legacy" are either subjective or relative terms depending on their contexts. It's you who is the brainlet. Sorry.
>>88883562>When does it become so obvious to everyone?Never, only virgins believe they dont have a purpose.Chads know their purpose is to get laid, because that's where his dick fits.
>>88883562'special' is subjective
>>88883616People with head injuries/trauma start to lose parts of their full conscious experience. They aren't the same people anymore. It's not a stretch to think that it would completely disappear if your brain died.
atheism is more of a conjecture than theism (just my opinion)
>>88883577>Your consciousness is tethered to your physical brain, if it dies then your conscious experience disappears with it.nothing dies it just changes form.of course death is a change. People who is afraid of change is the one wich is afraid to die.
>>88883657It is technically unfalsifiable, the statement isn't truth-apt given our current apparatuses. That's all I'm saying. It is technically feasible that our understanding of death is limited, or that one could achieve a form of immortality, however absurd and unlikely these things may seem.
>>88883652>He speaks like a Sri Lanka BuddhistExcept pity, humility, and self-restraint and are all Buddhist teachings
>>88881774>nobody exists on purposemaybe if you don't know who your dad is.
>>88883577Oh? Considering the infinite complexity and perfect laws of creation, it's a damn logical thing to say some singularly reasonable force created it all. And what's more, the ability to separate real from ideal and move towards it proves a singular, good force everything is naturally ordered towards must logically exist. And the conscience within us hints very steadily to a world outside the physical, one we can't properly understand but by acting morally or immorally encounter all the time
>>88883715>"image" as the filename>posting with an outdated reddit tier meme>specifying it's your opinion to avoid harsh criticism Is this your first time posting?
>>88883714Good thing I'm not identical with my conscious experience, otherwise I would die for a nap.
>>88881822This.Rick and Morty is basically a bombardment of cynical platitudes about the world, nothing else.
>>88883714But you could only tell what it was like if it happened to you. Like people experiencing afterlife while being dead for 1 second and them revived.
>>88883743Do you think when you roll double sixes in craps you did it on purpose? Or do you even underatand what that means?
>>88883798Memes have no expiration date
>>88883562If nothing matters to you, then how would you feel if someone held you down and forcibly cut off a few of your fingers? Would that act have any meaning to you? Obviously it would.The problem with nihilists is that you claim that there's no meaning in the world, but what you actually mean by that is that there's no "positive" meaning in the world. You're perfectly happy to accept the negative meaning, because there's no denying it. You actively live your life to avoid painful experiences like the one I described above. In that sense, you're attributing negative meaning to those experiences.Why do you have such an easy time accepting negative meaning in the world, but not the positive? I'm not claiming to have a good answer to that question, but the point is, if negative meaning exists, it's extremely likely that positive meaning exists too. And obviously it does, because there are certain positive experiences in life that you actively try to move towards.The root problem is that you have a poor definition of what it means for something to be meaningful.
That's not cringe, it's cool.Why do people let a bunch of cringey people ruin a show? If I like something, then I find out that a bunch of social retards also like that thing, I'm not going to stop liking that thing.
>>88883832Venerable Wirathu can ethnically cleanse Muslims from Burma and successfully follow the 3 jewels. Besides that, without getting into a history spanning millenia, Buddhism teaches simply to live mindfully.
>>88883737Actually this depends on the sect of Buddhism in question, though I'm not familiar with the Sri Lankan variety. Some sects worship and pray to Buddha and relics similarly to an abrahamic religion, for example.
>>88883912You didn't read your article did you?
>>88881774>>88881822fpbp. Retarded fans of Rick and Morty are the same people who think black science man is an intellectual.
>>88883912>lets use this site promoting budhism as a sourceNigger you are retarded. There are literal bhudist organized crime organizations in se asia. Some are on the terrorist watchlist. I am very skeptical of the existence of siddhartha. Let alone his nirvana under the tree.
>god is dead, and we have killed himI mean fuck I'm a little out of the ordinary cause I'm a Catholic that loves Dostoevsky, but even I see the meaning in it. Nietzsche was simply pointing out our society, though claiming to love god, undermines any attempt of godliness or indeed a good life. His whole philosophy was just an even more drawn out version of the idiot. But no, R&M sounds soooooo smart blathering off god is dead and nothing matters. At least it's funny knowing the character was made to mock them
>>88883832buddha literally says living without fear is the key to enlightenment
>Nothing spontaneously wills itself into existence>Nothing comes from nothing (t. Lucretius, epicurean atheist)>Everything is the result of the circumstances of its creation>Everything has a logical purpose
>>88884025I did. It said the perception of humility the way neetche used it is false and it actually is important for Buddhist to foster humility which goes along with both the mission of Bodhisattvas as well as self-enlightment.
>>88883916There's actually a term, "Positive Nihilist", designed to get around the objection you raise. The full Morty quote ends with "We're all going to die. Come watch TV?" Which is kind of positive nihilism, if you think about it.
>>88884027Ugh. That guy.
>>88883942ah yeah, I already knew that which is why I corrected you.
>>88881774Rick and Morty makes people feel smart because it does a pretty ok job at repackaging some basic philosophy and mixing it with non-mainstream sci-fi tropes. So you're getting college freshmen level liberal arts bullshit with settings and gags out of grognard tabletop RPG's which to a mainstream audience is pretty fucking alien and exciting. If nothing in Rick and Morty surprises you it just means that you're already familiar with all the material probably because it's one of your interests. If you're someone that doesn't know thing 1 about sci-fi or lovecraft or basic philosophy these are all exciting new crazy things that you can't wait to talk to all your friends about. It's like that guy that gets his mind blown by Psych 101 at college and immediately thinks that he can diagnose all his friends, or makes everyone take meyers-briggs personality tests so you can figure out who's an ENTP chad and who's an ISTJ cuck, etc... same shit, different format.
>>88881774>guaranteed repliesand not about /tv/ despite putting a cartoon in your OP
>>88884072Then you understand we're at an impasse where Buddhism and nietszche define humility differently and in this context, nietszche's definition does not accurately describe Buddhist teachings.
>>88884027Black science man is actually a pretty smart dude, but like Bill Nye, his whole job is trying to boil down complex topics that are best understood through years and years of higher learning to mainstream audiences that if given a telescope would look through the wrong end of it. He's an educator first, and a "super smart science man" second.
>>88884035>There are literal bhudist organized crime organizations in se asia.Organized Crime in the West such as mafia or Latin American Cartels are iheavily Catholic. You have Islamic terrorist groups. It's not a contradiction to be religious and involved in crime. Whether or not it's in someone's mind it's hypocritically based on their understanding of said religion is another thing entirely.
>>88884186Agreed but black science man needs to stick to astrophysics and keep out of politics
>>88881916You are not going to die?Please teach me your secrets
>>88882281What Sartre quote?
>>88883658>>88883696I know, but we were discussing accidental pregnancies and the morality of abortion. I said that in most cases, people think that a kid is going to ruin their lives and they won't be able to follow their dreams; but most of them won't actually be remembered, change the course of history, do anything impactful etc., so they should just keep the child. From society's perspective, that's the best thing. But I didn't say that it's an objective truth.Interesting thing is that I got the weird looks from people who agreed with me, but their argument was "it's the right thing".>>88883683I believe that the only purpose is the one that we give ourselves>>88883916I'm not a nihilist. Or at least the kind that goes around and says that life has no meaning and we should all kill ourselves etc. I actually believe in the ideas of culture preservation, even though they ultimately have no purpose, since humanity won't last forever.As for life in general - even though it probably has no meaning, why not spend your time on Earth productively and pleasantly?
>>88881916>god did itYou people...
>pendulum has swung so far even normies hate R&M nowWhen will it be cool to like it on here?
>>88884579>he actually thinks it fades to black
>>88884884ask yourself if you like rick and morty and then carry that opinion even in the face of people who don't agree with it but don't get mad if they get mad, that's being cool
>>88884884As soon as they make a R&M sequel people will start defending this one.Worked with the prequels.
>>88881774This is like the exact opposite message of evangelion.
>>88881774says the lil shit that can portal with his gramps. most of the time they cause the bullshit
Nihilism is for faggots.
This thread is full of hypocritesMaking themselves feel smart for "analysing" and "understanding" how shallow Rick and Morty is all while bashing on people who feel smar for "analysing" and "uderstanding" how deep Rick and Morty is.
>>88885075Nihilism is a base point not a philosophy.
>>88885098That whole "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty" pasta is the most ironic pieceof pasta /tv/ ever came up with, everything posted about it here boils down to >to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to uderstand how bad Rick and Morty is
>>88885282>/tv/ ever came upActually, it is from reddit
>people think that this quote was a commentary on philosophy rather than a moment of character developmentYou are every bit the shitheads reddit is but instead you're trying to prove how smart you are by talking about how it's just a "simple" version of Sartre.>It's just a shitty philosophy 101 quote in an attempt to look deep. I should know, I'm a deep person myself, I made it all the way to 201.
>>88885553>It's just a shitty philosophy 101 quote in an attempt to look deep. I should know, I'm a deep person myself, I made it all the way to 201Mix this with "these fans are so fucking retard, I'm so smart for knowing this!" and you have every rick and morty thread here
>>88881774If nothing matters, then it doesn't matter that nothing matters, so do what you want... or not. You're free to do whatever, it ultimately doesn't matter.
>>88884027Jesus fucking christ that's a real tweet isn't it
>>88881774yes lets do what ever we want
>>88881904If things do matter, why waste what precious moments you have on a Mongolian color blindness test forum?
>>88882018>Nihilism is irrefutable.Then prove it
>>88882208So at least one person ISN'T going to die? You're just arguing to be a cunt. Mission accomplished.
>So at least one person ISN'T going to die? You're just arguing to be a cunt. Mission accomplished.
I still don't get why people think that R&M promotes nihilism.
>>88884048Fearlessness doesn't contradict pity, humility, and self-restraint.
>>88887061that's because you still don't know what nihilism is
>>88887341That's not an answer.
>>88887431>That's not the answer I wanna hear
>>88887431Well, maybe you don't.
>>88883714>prove it>well it's not a stretch to think...That's not how that works
>>88883652At the turn of the century, non-abrahamic religions were in vogue in Germany, with a lot of theologians, authors and philosophers using 'oriental' mythos and religion to deal with the emerging issue of existentialism (brought around by fervent christian Kiekergaard). Nietsche embodies this in 'Thus spake zarathustra', in which he uses a figure of Zoroastrian mythology to represent his concept of the ubermencsh, and Herman Hesse's 'Siddhartha' which is a retelling of the story of the first buddha and how he achieved enlightenment. If you haven't read them are and interested in learning more about early existentialism/the impact of 'oriental' though/religion/philosophy on the western thought, its an area of literature really worth looking into.
>>88883746why do you think that the world was made to fit us rather than the more logical explanation that we evolved to live within the world?doesnt it make a lot more sense for the life that can exist being a result of evolution (as in, it exists because it can) rather than the world and universe was designed for us to live in perfectly? if that was the case why do we have to wear clothes, or get sick from environmental factors, or get sick at all? if it was designed for us why is it such a clear struggle for life to survive?