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Why is grand sci-fi not made anymore?
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>>91198183
define grand
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>>91198183
i think you just spend too much time in cape topics and dont ever use your time to look up sci fi films anymore like you once have in your past.
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>>91198183
>a fucking tunnel
>grand
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>>91198183
because muh jedi
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>>91198183
a comfy kino set here
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>>91198183
What do you mean by that?
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>>91198183
that looks retarded
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>>91198183
blade runner 4049 wasn't grand enough for you? what do you want?
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>>91198183
>sheeple would rather watch strong empowered women and niggers bebop their way around the rotten corpse of the star wars galaxy than think for two seconds about astrophysics or the nature of man

why live
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>>91198433
why does it look so Marsy
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>>91198183
because when they show worlds without usury or a federal reserve it makes the goyim upset.
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>>91198450
Wouldn't call them people
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>>91198183
It is, you're just not looking hard enough. We're in the middle of a new sci-fi golden age.
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>>91198453
it takes place after california burns to the ground.
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>>91198183
Wait, so how does it work? Is the orb in the middle supposed to create an anti-gravity field? If so, in order to have 1g on the top it would have to have 2g equivalent radial outwards gravitational acceleration at that radius. If the force field can be assumed to be a uniform inverse square distribution, the bottom should experience 3g. Futhermore, the source appears to be spherical whereas the living area is cylindrical, resulting in considerable cosine losses the further from the middle you go lengthwise.
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>>91198534
fag, they are using science not known to us right now. probably even using materials not of our world.
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>>91198183
>growing shit in inside a cylinder in the mountains when there is endless unused land
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like future Game of Thrones but set here
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>>91198542
All I'm saying is it looks retarded. Why would it be look like a point source of antigrav when they can arbitrarily manipulate the field?
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>>91198183
>tfw no sci-fi drama set inside a run-down O'Neill cylinder or Stanford Torus
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Because it's been done. It's called 2001: A Space Odyssey. I dare you to name one sci-fi film besides that one that was not unnecessary. You can't.
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>>91198635
Babylon 5 exists.
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>>91198595
because the guy gesturing to the shit he made is "art". the guy is a epitome of hipster faggot so of course he doesnt make things to be practical. its a vision that others just wont get until they seeee it
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murder-mystery set here
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>>91198183
>>91198595
>>91198534

It won some stupid award too.

http://blankspaceproject.com/fairy-tales-2017-winners/

First Prize goes to Mykhailo Ponomarenko, a Ukrainian trained architect for his entry “Last Day”. Mykhailo is currently based in Fort Lauderdale, FL, and works at the landscape architecture firm EDSA, Inc. His entry utilizes classical painting techniques to create monumental landscapes with strange scifi megastructures inserted into them. The relatively mundane occurrences in the story make it feel like these wild scenes could in fact be real. “Landscapes have always inspired me to put something weird, unreal and out of human scale into them. Something not feasible and not practical that contrasts with the natural surroundings, but also exists at the same scale. These satirical interventions lead to new ideas and feelings about nature – they make the viewer more aware about the environment and our harmful impact on it. We are flat surface creatures. Sometimes I feel that we crave it so much that the planet is going to be turned into pavement so cars can go anywhere, and our industries could continue expanding. The “Saturn Rings” in my proposal represent these flat surface desires but in a more poetic, optimistic, and friendly manner.”
– Mykhailo Ponomarenko
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>and then the spergs started arguing about that dumb picture
You don't deserve good filmmaking
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>>91198709
and you ignore those people who were talking about movies instead of replying to them.
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>>91198635
Double Zeta Gundam takes place in exactly that.

in fact the vast majority of gundam revolves around O'Neil cylinder colonies.
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Wait for Dune
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>>91198730
I didn't. My point stands that the spergs arguing about lame concept art should not spout off about film
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>>91198183
is that elysium?
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>>91198764
or just watch the fan edit.
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>>91198780
your point? you could just talk to the people talking about the movies, sperg
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>>91198780
Cry about it, nerd.
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>>91198591
>>91198335

fucking culture movies/tv show when

the SJW crowd would love the gender swapping and space communism it would even help push their agenda
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>>91198787
You're drowning out any conversation with your cartoons. You can go to /co/ for that
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>>91198183
Call me stupid, call me gay, but this movie was GRAND SCI-FI
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>Prometheus
>Interstellar
>Blade Runner 2049

I'm not saying they're all good but they are "grand" you nostalgia goggle wearing bastard
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>>91198832
drowning? wtf is wrong with you?
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>>91198838
It's too bad it was made by Nolan. His movies are so sterile and so hard to feel immersed in. He does it every time. I don't know how he does it. It's his greatest skill, I think
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>>91198183

>being interested in the future according to the mind of some writer/artist

Most people hate sci-fi because it mindless, dystopian drivel -- even when it tries not to be. Notice how nearly all depictions of utopian futures involve overwrought, tacky, public housing projects. "And here is where you take the conveyor belt to the park." Just shoot me if any of this shit ever comes true.
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>>91198923
don't worry , bro, i'll shoot you.
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>>91198858
I don't know if OP is using "grand" in this way, but to me it also necessarily means deep. None of those are deep. Blade Runner was also aggressively shallow, save for maybe one moment.
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>>91198990
you
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>>91198990
>save for maybe one moment.
when gosling breaks through the wall while chasing harrison ford. only other mvoie scene this year that comes close is superman looking at the flash in super speed
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>>91199013
That was an awesome way to do a clip show.
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>>91199013
Change "interpersonal relations" to "man's relationship to the universe" and that is me, yes. Enjoy your exploding capes and things.
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>>91198183
that mountain is ruined, you can't just replace that
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>>91199072
Lol
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>>91198682
>drug induced hippy commie rage murder
solved it
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>>91199224
good job, anon, you are correct, murder weapon pictured
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>>91198183
Give an example
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>>91199315
not enough glitter and tinsel
get back to work, Watson!
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Watch G-Reco for space colony porn.
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It bombs every single time.

If a sci-fi film isn't comic book related or based off a Young Adult novel it's an auto bomb.
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>>91198907
>Being this contrarian
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>>91198907
I completely agree. It's because he has legitimate autism. He takes himself too seriously when he doesn't have the artistic capabilities to back it up and certainly not the talent to write good scripts. His work tends to lack humanity. The characters in his movies are like props that exist solely to service the plot. Compare well known works by someone like Sergio Leone. His films breathe life while Nolan's films in contrast are playgrounds to explore a silly plot device or a filming technique.
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>ctrl f + Valerian
>zero results
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Orville general?

Who HYPED for tonight's episodoe?
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>2017
>an interstellar object was detected entering our solar system
>still no Rendezvous with Rama movie
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>>91202839
>human crew investigates derelict space ship
wow never seen that one before
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>>91198183
Because it's expensive as fuck to make and turns very little profit.

>>91202530
Good example. Look at the fucking budget on this film. Holy shit.
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>>91203165
Name 10 movies like that
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>>91198183
OP BTFO
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>>91202636
literally nothing like the expanse
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>>91203221
8 "Alien" movies + 1 Event Horizon + 1 whogivesashit = 10
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>>91203221
Alien, Aliens, Prometheus, Alien Covenant
Sunshine
Event Horizon
2010
The Black Hole
LifeForce
Memories - Magnetic Rose
Many Star Trek/other cheap scifi tv episodes
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>>91203434
>>91203165

How many have a spaceship that is a 40 km long O'Neill cylinder where the aliens/crew don't even appear?
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>>91203493
None because the average sci fi reader and the average sci fi movie goer are entirely different things. Spinny cylinders have only recently started appearing in movies. I guess they used to think that it'd confuse audiences but the advent of reddit has shown just how many exploitable losers of slightly above average intelligence are out there.
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>>91203493
Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein are too old-fashioned
We live in cyberpunk now, as you can tell from our discussion in an extreme left-right wing icelandinc waterpolo-enthusiast imageboard
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>>91202530
>Valerian

I have no idea how the final result was such a goddamn dull movie.
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>>91203165
You can do plenty with the premise, though.
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>>91198450
The absolute state of the current year. Sad
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>>91198183
Is that supposed to be a play-on of pic related? I mean holy shit, that's the most nu-male looking faggot I've ever seen in a painting.
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>>91198183
>grand sci-fi

because you need the budget for it and only way to get it so to turn the movie into an action flick in space. I would like to see something like david brin's sundiver, though - a whodunit mystery in space. you don't even need to go into the finer points of the setting because shit like uplift isn't exactly relevant for the story.
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>>91203646
>extreme left-right wing
the unifying factor here is the autism so you could have just written that
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>>91198183
Is that wolverine?
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1970s needed to make great distractions for children of those couples who started divorcing immediately since it was passed that decade. That's my retarded opinion on the subject of why there was a fuckton of sci fi in the seventies anyway. Fuck
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>>91198183
>>91198335
>>91198591
Every time they show the inside of these, it's always sparsely populated.

What's the point?
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>>91198183
Why not just build the city on that lovely flat piece of land there?
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>>91198335
This design doesn't work. You can't have water on a curve you stupid faggot. You know there is no proof that there is any curvature in the earth right? All water is flat.
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>>91198450
I had this idea for a sci-fi that I thought would actually be pretty cool and -proper- science fiction. Was basically a story about humanity in the far future where we accidentally make contact with the entity that created our universe, which causes humanity as a whole to simply give up progressing and thus science and society itself stagnates. Someone realises that the entire contact scenario was complete horse shit created by an alien race because they were scared that due to our progress we would conquer them with tech one day; they have to come to terms with the fact if they expose this then it'll probably cause an intergalactic war that will decimate most of both of our species.

Then I remembered that it wouldn't be viable at all in current year, because all people want to see is agenda-pushing bs with faggots and lesbians bypassing compressors.
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>>91203989
>It's a bait post episode
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>>91203989
>what is evenly distributed gravity

It's flat from any single point from the inside.
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>>91203859
Large amount of grass and trees to produce enough oxygen for a smaller population. Also who wants to live in a cramped space station, these look nicer..
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>>91204035
It's basically a pipe dream for the rich
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>>91203746
Congratulations, this website has turned your brain to mush.
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>>91198183
Alita: Battle Angel trailer drops tomorrow so we have that
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>>91203992
I really like your idea.
ANTI-SPIRALS HERE WE COME!
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>>91203992
neat
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>tfw no comfy puppeteer kino
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it was never made to begin with
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>>91198817
>space communism


space anarchism, bitch
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>>91202839
if they did make it they'd fuck it up completely by making the sequels as well.
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>>91203992
>humanity in the far future where we accidentally make contact with the entity that created our universe, which causes humanity as a whole to simply give up progressing and thus science and society itself stagnates
very clevber sci-fi m8
almost as good a premise as battlestar galactica and their lol let's just ignore the race of killer robots we released
10/10 geeks would eat it up
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>>91203992
>we accidentally make contact with the entity that created our universe


fucking dropped.
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>>91198335
thats elysium
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>>91204641
I didn't know that. Cool.
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>>91198489
Goyim is non Jews idiot
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Because grand sci-fi is considered cheesy, most people now have a much better understanding of technology and consequently want to see more realistic depictions of it in TV/film. Procedural crime shows can't get away with half the shit they could in the CSI days anymore for the same reason.
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>>91198183
Not enough quips for the mainstream audience.
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>>91198335
Pretty much how it looks on Babylon 5, infact that space station had multiple rings like that.
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>>91207809
do people want to see more realistic depictions or do studios not want to bankroll an unsure thing and instead give you cookie cutter shit that people see anyways because people go to the theaters?
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When is Transmetropolitan getting a TV series?

Seem like the perfect fit for today's political climate. After all it's about a mentally ill junkie taking down the president by blogging.
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>>91198183
Everything beautiful is far away. Not grand, but fucking A+ fantastic post apocalyptic sci-fi. Check it, throw some money at em.
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>>91203663
Shitty MC's. Cara was not too bad. But he was a fucking limp wristed boy band member. They should have chosen actors 10 years older.
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>>91208383
I have this. Will have to watch now thanks.
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>>91206074
>MUH RISHATHRA
No.
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>>91198591
What the fuck am I looking at
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>>91204364
Once humanity gets to the point where sustainable space travel puts all resources within easy grasp (post-scarcity), capitalism can no longer function.

Of course modern education systems want to ensure people don't so much as even imagine a post-capitalist world.
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>>91198433
Whats so grand about it.

Generic holywood flick, with a few nice wallpapers. It felt like a B movie sci-fi. Not the good kind too.
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>>91210179
>capitalism is finished
>this time for real
>seriously guys
Fuck off already.
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>>91203859
Vast majority of population would live inside the 'walls', the inner surface could just be parkland.
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>>91198183
You mean like Star Wars, battlestar gallactica, alien, bladerunner, Valaryion, stranger things, x files, Star Reece, the Orville, Elysian, the 100, lost every video game...

What are you talking about nigger?
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>>91210320
Why would I live inside the walls when I could live in a comfy cottage on the river
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>tfw no Xeelee Sequence mega-series ultra kino
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>>91210179
>implying we'll ever reach that point
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>>91210447
2 poor
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>>91210312
capitalism is already artificially maintained.
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>>91210387

Electric Dreams is not bad, it's more real sci fi though.
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>>91210179
aaaaaaaaany day now
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>>91210533
The only decent episode was the one about the imaginary town, and only because it was shitting all over the types of people who read fiction.
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>>91203989
EXPLAIN THIS THEN
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>>91198335
look nice. until some green monoeyed robots blast a hole on it
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>>91210580
>>91210312
>>91210475
Most of the technologies necessary for sustainable space travel have been developed, the flaw is "commercial viability." This is simply an excuse, as commercial viability of post-scarcity is a catch 22.
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>>91210583

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog with Rob Stark wasn't bad either
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>>91203859

>landlet detected
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>>91202839
There's a video game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu4n5YXPaMQ
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>>91210648
I suppose that is why commercial space travel is continuing where state run space travel left.
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>>91210686
I tried to like that episode, but I couldn't shake the impression of having a britfag in my year screaming "DO YOU GET IT? DO YOU GET THAT ITS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS?? DO YOU GET IT YET? SEE ITS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS!"
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>>91210755
Spinning it's wheels?

Besides, musk is as much "state run" as nasa.
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>>91198817
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>>91210179
>what is logistics
>what is cost of opportunity
>what is social standing
Post scarcity cannot exist, people will always find something scarce to value, even id it's likes on Spacebook, also time will always be scarce, even with "infinite" resources being pulled out of asteroids there are still the time/costs of transportation and wherever there's something scarce that people desire, there's capitalism.
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>>91198838
Interstellar was made 8 years ago. That's not new and not something made today.
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These O'Neil cylinders always look neat but I wouldn't want to live in one since I know it'd be full of liberals that would fill it with peaceful and tolerant muslims given the first opportunity. At least on Earth when one of them inevitably blows up it doesn't erase the atmosphere.
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>>91210944
Friend, you're not fully articulating the arguments you're attempting to make.

If time is the most scarce resource, and it cannot be traded, due to there being nothing of equivalent value, how does an economy function?
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>>91211010
I'm sure someone much smarter than you and your Space Communism bullshit will figure it out.
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>>91203663
>>91208769
Neither one had much onscreen "soul" or something. I'm not even sure how that happened. It is like they go so say a line and their face makes an expression kind of like smirking and all knowing, but not for what they are saying but like "look how good I'm nailing this line, i'm acting lol!"
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>>91211024
I like it when people find condescending ways to say "dunno lol"
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>>91211010
>time
>it cannot be traded
But it can? That's why we hire low skilled people to do menial tasks, we pay to have more time, they sell their time to us.
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>>91210447
It is basically apartment dwelling and your roof is a park.
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>>91211048
I'm not the one pretending to know the answer, you are, and it's a dumb answer "dude space communism we'll all just have everything and no one will ever want more than anyone else because it's all free lmao".
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>>91211086
>Humanity has discovered nearly all relevant science that can be used by humanity to advance technologies that will be useful to humanity
I ain't no singularitarian retard but that sounds like complete bullshit.
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>>91203989
You can test this yourself. Just glue a wine glass or water goblet to the center of a lazy suzan or any other spinning device. Put an ounce of water in it then get everything spinning. The water will flatten out into a ring on the sides of the glass. However, if you have it slightly off center, the water will pool more in one direction.
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>>91211059
... why would you stop reading to respond mid-sentence?
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>>91203989
Of course there is, retard, the Coriollis effect when you shoot a rifle from a very long distance

Fucking imbecile kys
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>>91211143
Negro, all I'm saying is capitalism requires scarcity to function and sustainable space travel means post-scarcity.

But you're been buttfucked by corporate run schools into believing the only alternative to capitalism is stalin.
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>>91211148
You may be confusing science discovery with engineering invention. If you look at the number and level of discoveries through history, that directly affect humanity, they've already peaked. The part where the discovery or invention actually helps humanity is the most important and relevant aspect.
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>>91211209
How will achieving sustainable space travel instantly allow everyone to always get whatever material goods or services they want whenever they want.
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>>91211209
>capitalism requires scarcity to function

Service-based business will always be a thing regardless of product & resource proliferation.
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>>91211158
Even if we have acess to potentially infinite resources they will still have a cost due to the time that it takes to extract and transport them, also the fact that storage space is limited, it's simple logistics what's it that you can understand?
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>>91211318
>robots cant perform services
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>>91211275
You made that strawman, you tell me.

post-scarcity as a result of sustainable space travel means a slow grinding down of the value of all currently valued resources until it eventually hits near zero.

I'm not sure why you see the need to strawman this as "DUDE MAGICALLY AMKING EVERYTHING INSTANTLY LMAO"
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>>91211360
>reddit spacing
typical
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>>91211326
>can
can't*
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>>91211326
The question you're skipping is "How do you put a value on time when there is nothing tangible of equivalent value?"
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>>91211358
I think you misunderstand how human interaction works.
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>>91211209
fuck off you commie retard
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>>91211399
you dont need to pay for human interaction

well maybe you do
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>>91211415
why does the eventual end of capitalism as a viable societal model make people so visibly angry?

Is it that thing where people who play the lottery get angry when you tell them they won't win and they're just wasting their money?
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>>91211422
>>91211358
>showing your autism level
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>>91211449
I think it is more complicated than that. There's a lot of social programming involved.
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>>91211326
>storage space is limited

... ya realize we're talking about sustainable space travel, thus storage space becomes "all of space."
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>>91211395
Nothing has intrinsic value, gold isn't instrinsically any more valuable than bread nor is time any more valuable than anything, people wil assign value on these things based on their preferences.


>>91211449
The main problem isn't if in 2525 people will live in space commie utopia or whatever, the problem is retards that believe that shit trying to ruin things for everyone right now.
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>>91204641
>directed by Robert "Green Screens and Mexi Fries" Rodriquez

No thanks.
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>>91211395
Not the pal you are talking to, but time would become the coin then, no? Kinda like bitcoin value is related to the time to "solve" the hash function
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>>91211449
>why does the eventual end of capitalism as a viable societal model make people so visibly angry?
The end doesn't make us angry. What makes us angry is that commies have been saying this shit for 150 years because they can't understand basic fucking economics.
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>>91211492
are you sure it isn't as simple as "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Basically saying that capitalism is going to end means they'll never win the lottery and all their efforts have been useless and fruitless.
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>>91198684
>we're flat surface creatures
This guy is a genius
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>>91211495
>let me just dump all these perishables into open space
>oh and all this energy (one of if not the most valuable thing), who needs batteries when you have all this S P A C E?
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>>91211546
You're 150+ years old?
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>>91211520
>gold isn't instrinsically any more valuable than bread

Next time, don't equate value using food as one of the things. Food is priceless. Without it, you die. Saying "gold and pocket sand" would be better.
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>>91211495
Unless everything can be instantly teported to wherever it needs to be and in the exact quantity it needs, time is still a factor.
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>>91211554
most people dont identify as their bank accounts
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>>91203663
characters were shit
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>>91211554
No, not that at all since socialism is a way of life in America. Both the military and welfare thrive on it. However, when you put labels on things that is the point where people get pissy.
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>>91211562
Those are just normal engineering concerns that would have been solved early on.
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>>91211449
>why does the eventual end of capitalism as a viable societal model make people so visibly angry?
Because the morons spouting it do that since years.
>computers will end capitalism
>the internet will end capitalism
>3d printers will end capitalism
>robots will end capitalism
They don't understand shit and still won't shut the fuck up about it.

Not to mention that people who are not brain dead don't want capitalism to end.
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>>91198817
Banks *was* a commie. And he's loved by everyone and their dog, which is why SpaceX gives their rockets whimsical names from his books. I say, if Musk is such a fanboy, he can bankroll a series or a movie.
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>>91211589
That's been addressed multiple times.

The point is time becomes THE ONLY factor, thus becomes impossible to trade for.
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>>91211742
You are mentally challenged, the time factor means that the resources are still scarce at the point both in space and time where they are needed.
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>>91211678
But computers, the internet, and 3d printers did render obsolete a huge number of business models.

Post-scarcity isn't something that happens all at once, its a slow grinding down of viable business models until eventually none remain. A grind that's been slowing as its progressed due to capitalistic entities exerting market control to maintain their obsolete business models.
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>>91211855
You're confusing logistics with the idea that, post scarcity, a capitalistic entity will have nothing to trade a person that is worth as much as their time.
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>>91211878
>But computers, the internet, and 3d printers did render obsolete a huge number of business models.
such as?
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>>91211878
>render obsolete
They replaced them with different business models you tard.
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>>91211586
Implies life has intrinsic value
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>implying land is not correct re capitalism
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>>91211954
>He doesn't know that "computer" used to be a job title
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>>91211954
Are you retarded?
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>>91211990
But that doesn't render a model obsolete, because there are now a shitload of more jobs that weren't possible prior to computers. The business model hasn't changed one fucking bit. Jobs have disappeared, yet a huge amount of other jobs have come in their place.
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>>91211922
>true VR
>indefinite life extension
>molecular reassembling
We don't know what and how much these will cost if they become availble, so the resource output that now would be enough to put us into post-scarcity migh be just enough to scrap by in the future.
I'm disputing the very idea of post scarcity, it's nothing more than a pipe dream and more importantly, even if it does become a reality in a thousand years from now, it has no bearings on the current economy.

>>91211878
>its a slow grinding down of viable business model
Except there are far more business models now than ever, if lamp oil became unproftable many more other industries opened up.
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>>91211966
Less profitable, scaled down models.
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>>91211209
Communism also requires scarcity to function, both systems are just different forms of resource allocation. "Sustainable" space travel does not mean post-scarcity anyway, what the fuck are you on about?
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>>91212091
>less profitable
You know that Marx' idea of "Tendency of rate of profit to fall" was already debunked in 1900, right?
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>>91198635
Literally almost every Gundam ever.
Watch 0080, nigga.
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>>91212105
What could this rings possibly be the wreckage of.
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>>91212049
golly I hope you're not thinking in buttfucked terms where a person getting paid to manually do math with pencil and paper isn't a "business model."

For it'd be pretty sad how far out of your depth you are in this line of discussion.
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>>91211586
But the value of food like anything else fluctuates with it's availability, so it does indeed have a price.
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>>91212145
Sure, in the sense global warming was debunked because its kinda warm right now where I live, even though we changed the way temperature is measured to a scale with much bigger numbers (inflation).
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>>91212167
If you think a job is a business model, then i really want to know how you get it in your thick skull that computers didn't create a shitload more jobs than they took away. And not just in programming and informatics, either.
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>>91212214

>Sure, in the sense global warming was debunked because its kinda warm right now where I live, even though we changed the way temperature is measured to a scale with much bigger numbers (inflation).

Except all meteorologists accept global warming, while no economist accepts tendency of the rate of profit to fall, because the entire concept is based on a misunderstanding of economics.
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>>91212129
>Communism also requires scarcity to function

>when they say shit that makes it clear they don't know what any of the words they just said mean

...
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>>91198453
Dust reddens the sky in Vegas after a nuclear dirty bomb wrecked it, modeled on actual dust storm that reddened Sydney a few years ago
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>>91212049
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
The business model was shattered and replaced with a new emergent market but the old industry was gone. The same as how mechanisation wiped out farming jobs from virtually the entire population to less than 2% of the population.
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>>91212247
Economics is based in a misunderstanding of economics.

If you look at any industry, adjust current vs past earnings against inflation, there is a downward tendency in all things.
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>>91212282
Yes, and that has no influence on the viability of capitalism whatsoever because a new industry just comes along, repeat ad infinitum, you fucking moron.
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>>91212248
Define communism for me please.
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>a commie
>is a fucking retard
Everytime.
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>>91212218
>how did the machines that are eating meat space not leave more meat space for everyone
because there are more unemployed people now than there were in the 70’s by ratio genius. all of the latest studies published by neo-liberals say that automation even more than outsourcing is killing low wage jobs. and the latest projections have 300 million jobs wiped out by 2030. You’re lying through your teeth to poor people, again i hope people like you burn in hell. i hope there is actually some retribution, like a revolution where just STEM people are held accountable and energy industry people
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>>91212288
>Economics is based in a misunderstanding of economics.
You're actually saying economics itself knows less about economics than some self-taught half-assed economic philosopher from the 19th century. Let that sink in for a moment.
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I have a hope that we're on the cusp of another great period of science fiction television, ushered in by cheaper, quality CGI and 3D printing lowering production costs.
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>>91212218
Fun fact: in 20-30 years computers will be able to write their own code.

and yes, any situation where one is attempting to exchange one resource for another in a sustainable fashion is a business model. To think otherwise is just to have been buttfucked backwards by corporate run schools.
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>>91212400
>Fun fact: in 20-30 years computers will be able to write their own code.
So? That doesn't infringe on the ability of people to be employed, nor on their comparative advantage in the work place.
>everything i don't like is da corporate run schools! wake up sheeple!
you commies really need to get your brain checked.
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>>91212359
I'm saying the vast majority of economics is self-reinforcing and circular, designed to obfuscate actual basic functionality and create a sort of dream world where, somehow, there is more money in pseudo-existence than there is actual things of value to buy.
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>>91212314
And there we evidence of your complete lack of vision. When you have computers that can answer phones, cars that can drive themselves, printers that can replicate whatever you want without complex supply chains, and personal energy generation you no longer have scarcity and therefore the supply/demand underpinning of Capitalism as we know it is irreversibly fucked.

There is no longer a financial intensive to work or to spend. Industry for the sake of profit no longer exists.
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>>91198450
but interstellar literally has an empowered woman and a nigger
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>>91212463
You realize every time you scream "COMMIE" you're conceding on all points, right?

also

>THE NON-EXISTENCE OF JOBS WON'T AFFECT PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO HAVE JOBS

seriously what the fuck
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>>91212314
What the fuck do you think is going to happen when 99% of everything a human can do, machines could do better, faster, and cheaper?
>repeat ad infinitum
No. Just no.
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>>91198838
>2001 for dummies
>grand sci-fi
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>>91212508
WE ALL BECUM 1% TAKE THAT COMMIES
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>>91212129
You're defining communism as a single totalitarian dictator controlling people via intentionally limited resource distribution. Because that's what schools teach.
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>>91212186
>missing the entire point
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>>91203989
a = v^2/r
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>>91206292
can we get some Moon is a Harsh Mistress radical space ancaps too pls
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>>91212654
>it's all a conspiray
>it's not at all because every communist regime ever was a totalitarian, genocidal dictatorship
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>>91212785
Or genocidal dictators called themselves communist in order to get the poor on board with their genocidal dictatorships.

Its like how, in america, they tell everyone they can be rich, when they can't, because they're slave caste.
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>>91212464
>I'm saying the vast majority of economics is self-reinforcing and circular, designed to obfuscate actual basic functionality

oh damn, you just accurately described communism. Economics is nothing more than the study of allocating resources, that's all.
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>>91212654
because that's what happens every time. schools don't teach this where I grew up.
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>>91212508
>>91212582
>better
sure
>cheaper
nope, humans will still have a comparative advantage.
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>>91212654
No, that's why I asked you to define it. What I said applies to both the ideology and the real life examples. Have you even read Das Kapital? Do you even know the implications of the labour theory of value? Communism is a system of resource allocation, read Marx's critique of Rodbertus where he goes into it
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>>91212900
So your problem is just that you can't imagine a future where machines are better at stuff than people.
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>>91212783
ha ha ha

never, fucking, ever. That shits basically a manifesto of everything wrong with current society.
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>>91202530
>>91203663
There seems to be a huge gap between the vision and the execution. Both of these looked absolutely great but the casting seems to have come down to "who is semi-popular and cheap?".
A good actor can raise dreck to new heights, look at the X-Men movies, what could've been just forgettable rubbish was given an extra kick by Stewart and McKellan's earnest performance, you almost believed in what their character was saying rather than having dullards spout technobabble at each other in monotone.
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>>91212859
>it wasn't real communism

Then what's your beef with capitalism? You're not living in real capitalism. It's just kleptocratic nonsense pretending to be capitalism. Real capitalism is perfect.
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>>91212938
Ya know, if you read the thread, the only people who are screaming about communism are people who think its the only possible alternative to capitalism. and/or that post-scarcity = communism

So you strawmanned an argument, and are now demanding the strawan be defended.
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>>91212957
Surely if we got to the point in time when the tipping point would be in sight where robotisation/computerisation was an immediate threat to the vast majority of the population, regulations would be set in place to maintain some form of largescale employability or at the very least guarantee basic living conditions.

Its difficult to imagine a future where machines replace majority of humans jobs without it being complete distopian genocidal chaos. I may be wrong tho.
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>>91212859
And it worked every single time, how do you know that your or any other commie around isn't just another wannabe dictator?
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>>91212900
>>cheaper
>nope, humans will still have a comparative advantage.
are you for fucking real????
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>>91213155
Son, you're basically saying that propaganda always works when there's only one entity spewing it.

also talking about communism whenever post-scarcity comes up is like talking about rape whenever sex comes up.
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>>91212859
>all those times weren't real communism
>everything is a capitalist conspiracy taught in capitalist schools
>even though we controlled half the world, it's still the meanie capitalist fault

I thought /pol/tards were conspiracy-nuts, but you're much worse.
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>>91213042
Nothing of the sort, all I've said is that communism also requires scarcity and that you haven't demonstrated that "sustainable"(whatever you mean by that) space travel would lead to post-scarcity. Why are you accusing me of strawmanning when that's exactly what you're doing? A hypothetical post-scarcity society wouldn't have any economic system because resource allocation would be irrelevant, but post-scarcity societies are impossible barring magic that break all the laws of the universe we've up til now observed
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>>91212247
its akshually not but you can posture all you want while the price of iphones goes up and apple accrues more debt every year that it will never be rid of
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>>91212942
No, my problem is that you don't understand a basic economic principle like comparative advantages and its consequences for automation.
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>>91213333
I bet you haven't got a hot source for those hot heterodox opinions of yours.
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>>91213146
what the sam hell does that have to do with moon is harsh mistress?

also we're already living in a world where automation is an immediate threat to the vast majority of the rich, thus the rich sold the poor on passing regulations to maintain large scale employability, but not guarantee basic living conditions, as the focus is guaranteeing corporate profit.
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culture series would be pure kino

bonus points for pissing off the alt-right fags
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>>91213325
>A hypothetical post-scarcity society wouldn't have any economic system because resource allocation would be irrelevant

Hey look, its my original point and now you're pretending it's yours
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>>91198817
>Live-action film set in a Jetson's-like utopia
>never ever
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>>91213449
I'm not pretending shit, it would be the only possible outcome. Post-scarcity is still impossible though so it's irrelevant to the real world.
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>>91213454
I want a deconstruction of the jetsons, where the go into how the world is great only because they have the ability to ignore all their problems.
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>>91213437
It's funny how only the extreme left lets their taste be guided by how much they imagine it will piss off "the other side". I think it's projection. You'd be pissed off if someone made an Atlas Shrugged movie, I guess. After all, the only people I actually hear talking about that book are the people who hate it.
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>>91213581
>post-scarcity is impossible

so is fight and horseless carriages.

Post-scarcity exists right now in a number of fields.
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>>91213437
>not using alt-right and kino in an ironic way
soyboy detected
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>>91213641
>Post-scarcity exists right now in a number of fields.
Name one
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>>91213633
why are trying to bait for responses along the lines of "says the guy who voted for trump to make his imagined political opposition angry."
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>>91213408
sorry, quoted wrong person.

Isn't the opposite is happening at the same time though? Like in china where the population is enormous and increasing automation in factories is making some concerned already. Same thing in western countries aswell. The reality is somewhere in the middle i guess as the cheap immigrant workforce is still sought after in robot unfriendly jobs.
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>>91213584
Because the world needs more lazy-ass deconstructions no-one ever asked for.
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>>91213668
Media.

Its fucking pathetic this even needs to be said to you.
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>>91213581
The feudal serfs and peasantry also could not imagine a world without the feudal system. As they had grown so accustomed to the world only working one way.
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>Futuristic space exploration
>People living in cylinders instead of mega earths
>Can only last millions of years instead of trillions

Why is sci-fi so plebeian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKidcpkZN0
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>>91198183
>grand sci-fi

star wars
star wars
star wars
star wars

you wanna hear that again? Star Wars

Star Wars. Created by George Lucas. In theaters December 15

Star Wars.
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>>91213720
The best deconstructions are the ones no one asked for.

Deconstructing the jetsons would be deconstructing retro-futurism as a whole.
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>>91213736
Oh, I'm talking to a brainlet. the production of media requires scarce resources, primarily labour but a mountain of other shit. Media itself is a resource, there's a finite amount and the market dictates the value of it
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>>91213907
>pretends piracy doesn't exist and adhoms

... your gracious concession is noted.
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>>91213736
>post-scarcity exists in areas that don't depend on physical resources
oh great, too bad that's not what keeps the economy running.
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>>91213856
>Star Wars
>Science Fiction

Even its own fans and creator don't call it that, it's Science Fantasy.
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>>91213684
That would be a stupid response. I'm not even American, let alone "alt-right". I'm just calling out this nonsense where left wing people virtue signal about "it will piss of the nazis XD". I always see much more people grandstanding about that rather than people genuinely be pissed off about it. But I suppose it's a natural response when you enjoy something that's already low-brow because it caters to political tastes, to prefer to believe that detractors dislike it because of its (and your) politics, rather than the quality of the product. Especially because saying that a work that is overtly politic is often worse for it is fair criticism most of the time.
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>>91213949
miniscule is not zero, piracy still consumes resources and those resources are still scarce
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>>91213976
Tell us more about your imagined political opposition.
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>>91213863
Retro-futurism doesn't need deconstructing. As for the jetsons, everyone alive today is capable of seeing the incongruency between it, real life, and more modern entertainment. And that's kind of my point. Deconstructions only serve a purpose when they're adressing something that isn't already blindingly obvious.
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>>91214158
post-scarcity doesn't require zero.

But understanding there's a difference between post-scarcity and "UNLIMITED EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE" is hard.
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>>91214162
You're the one who brought it up.
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>>91214212
tell me more about your imagined me.
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>>91214193
Yes it does, the whole point is a society that isn't reliant on scarce resources, "almost no scarcity" just means "almost free", meaning an economy still has to exist
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>>91214171
So don't see any validity in deconstructing, through metaphoric representation, the current climate of "everything is great if I ignore everything that isn't."
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>>91204641
Huh more info on this? A new anime or live action?
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>>91214271
friend, go look up the definition of "scarce."
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>>91213949
If anything media demonstrates that post scarcity is an impossibility, even though the cost to create and share is negligible, people still assign value to different pieces of media according with their tastes.
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>>91214313
CGI and directed by robert rodriguez, so if it isn't shit it'll be the shock of the century.
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>>91214349
In the economic context scarce means limited, don't start playing word games
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>>91214349

>Scarcity refers to the limited availability of a commodity, which may be in demand in the market. The concept of scarcity also includes an individual capacity to buy all or some of the commodities as per the available resources with that individual[1].
>LIMITED AVAILABILITY
>AS IN "NOT UNLIMITED"
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>>91214385
>post-scarcity is impossible because people can arbitrarily define value

...now it seems you're going out of your way to arrange words in ways to make it as obvious as possible that you don't know what any of them mean.
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>>91214407
>plays word games the entire thread
>responds to an attempt to shut down the word games with "DUN U PLAY NO WERD GAEMS"

...
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>>91214474
Embarrassing.
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>>91198817
I would think a live action Crest of The Stars would be a hit with the sjw types. It has evil genocidal maniacs. Same sex cloning/reproduction. Etc.
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>>91213856

Star Wars is boring
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>>91212900
nigger robots are cheaper than human workforce to this very fucking day already
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>>91203859
They are basicly space station with the inner level (what you see) is park with a dome. Living there would be the most expensive. Most people would have standard apartment/living quarters in the outer shell/station.
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>>91215419
TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR IMAGINED POLITICAL OPPOSITION
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>>91215619
>space travel/stations
>expensive

>he thinks capitalism can survive in space
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>>91215579
A $5 robot will work for an entire year?
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>>91215746
Not yet. But machines that are being used are more productive than people and can work for longer.

Also, the quality of life is improving across places like Africa and South America. The cost of human labor there is going to increase, especially when they start demanding rights and fair treatment. Meanwhile, the cost of robotic labor is constantly decreasing.
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>>91211209
But there will always be scarcity. Even if we had replicator that could instantly turn any mass into a given product the would be scarcity of available mass.

What if I wanted to own a space ship? A sstation? One of those Dyson spheres? Planers and moons? Would other people be allowed to use the mass from my moons to make their stuff? If so then I do not own it and the mass is scarce to me. If no then the mass is scarce to them. Which means time is scarce to them since they will have to travel far to find available mass.

Even in a star trek like universe there is scarcity.
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>>91215917
Friend, to think full automation is currently viable you'd have to think only in western standards of minimum wage, and completely ignore the fact you can pay asian children $1 for a year's work and they'll be happy as fuck with it.
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>>91211495
No because the usefulness of storage space is relative to the distance needed to travel too and from it.
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is this any good? I picked it up at the thrift store the other day
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>>91203989

Explain this, curvefags
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>>91215928
Go look up "scarce."
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>>91213437

Culture series is left wing? I just started reading Consider Phlebas and didn't get that sense yet. Is it obnoxiously so or is it balanced?
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>>91216026
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tv series on book of the book of the new sun when?
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>>91216159
>being gay is fine
>being a female is fine
>violence and war are bad

alt-right literally seething at all this.

I'd argue Phlebas is one of the weaker books, but the majority of them are solid.
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>>91215983
I'm not saying it's viable, yet. But it's definitely getting there.
As I mentioned, Asian children won't always be satisfied with $1 for a year's work. The quality of life is improving, while technology for automation is constantly getting better.

It's an inevitability. All we can do is learn to deal with it.
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>tfw too dumb to understand this thread
Where the fuck do I start so I can contribute in future threads?
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>>91216021
Very good.
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>>91203859
If you have all the resources and literally ALL THE SPACE IN THE UNIVERSE, why would you need to be densely populated?
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>>91216268
TELL US
MORE
ABOUT
YOUR IMAGINED POLITICAL OPPOSITION
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>>91216436
tell us more about your fear of gays, females and coloreds.
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>>91216471
tell me more about your imagined me
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>>91216268
Imagine being only able to enjoy something if you believe that people you do not like do not enjoy it.
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>>91216895
imagine defining yourself on the imagined reactions of imagined people.
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>>91215746
Why do you think BMW has a factory that's almost 100% automated? Because it's cool?
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>we'll have a worker's paradise when workers are completely useless and confronted with the fact that anything they can do can be done better by a machine




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