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I don't think I've ever been told where this image comes from edition

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>>2372081

Primary sites for fanfiction

fanfiction.net
archiveofourown.org

Posting your own stuff for feedback purposes is encouraged as long as you're not just shilling your own fic.
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>>2396321
It's Xena and Gabrielle.
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>>2396462
neat.
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>>2396462
Huh. I would not have guessed that, but now it makes perfect sense.
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>>2396462
How did you figure that out?
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>>2396546
Thought "woman, black hair, fantasy armor, not Wonder Woman, doesn't look like Game of Thrones; woman, blonde, short hair, lesbian subtext" and the only thing that came to mind was Xena.
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Actually now that I look at the image some more, the black haired chick's outfit does look a shitton like some armor I've seen xena in before.
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Are you nee-san serious? I barely even watched Xena as a kid, but her look/design is fairly well known. Especially considering the nature of this board.
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>>2396546
How do you NOT know?
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>>2396651
Seriously, this
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>>2396631
I didn't know until earlier this year. Never seen Xena though
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>>2396651
I was being sarcastic.
I like to assume everyone here has watched all of Xena. That's the way things should be.
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>>2396720
I've never seen a full episode of Xena. And not even a handful of snippets.
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>>2396825
I'll pretend I didn't read that.
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>tfw joxer was your favorite character
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>>2396949
Joxer was a mighty fine man.
His death was probably the saddest thing in the entire show.
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>>2396825
Go watch 6x18 "When Fates Collide" and report back, anon
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>>2397153
Rewatching that, I though it must be one of the gayest episodes.
Then I watched the next episode and remembered just how gay everything is in the later seasons.
The next one's the one with the virgin sacrifice offering herself to Xena and being shy about Xena & Gabrielle's relationship, then Gabrielle being super excited about seeing Sappho, and the love poem.
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>>2397153
>>2397421
I stopped watching it after the first episode of the second season.

It's pretty funny to see that in the past, characters got a new 'love interest' every couple of episodes if the previous ones didn't stick around for long. And now they are not that often.
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Readers who are not virgin: can you tell when a smut scene was written by a virgin?
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>>2398297
>Readers who are not virgin

I'm sorry, but I think you'll have to go somewhere else to get an answer to this question.
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>>2398297
Yes. Does it matter? No.
It's like watching Star Wars and going 'space doesn't work like that'. It's nitpicking.
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Very cute Hidamari fic. Yuno is too pure for this world.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/11743041
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>your favourite fic finally stops updating
I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
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>>2399110
Do you know if it won't be touched again? Did the author officially announced it?
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>>2399110
You are not alone
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>>2398297
Do you think you can tell if the people replying to you are virgins?

>>2398415
What utter bullshit. You can't tell, except if the smut is flawed to the point of being anatomically incorrect, which anyone could see, not just a non-virgin. Anything you think you can detect that tells you whether the writer is a virgin is either all in your head or explained by any number of other factors.

How can you possibly claim to know that (for example) some smut you read with implausible tribbing wasn't written by a lesbian who fucks on the regular but either hasn't done much tribadism or is just idealizing it for the purposes of the smut?
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>>2399110
I have seen fics come back from a 1 year and more hiatus
It's rare though
Don't give up now
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>>2399531
Plenty of fics resurrect within a year. I've, however, only witnessed 1 that was revived after 2 years and 1 after 6 years. It felt like a miracle.
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>>2399110
I've had that happen with three fics so far, all of them Naruto stories... Is Nardo just cursed?
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So this is for you authors, do you enjoy or appreciate proper critique and criticism to your works, or just the usual 'I like this, keep going?'. I've taken it upon myself to offer proper editorial reviews to those stories I like (As an ex-editor of actual published fiction) although I'm not sure fanfic authors appreciate honest deconstruction of their works and pointing out the flaws.
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>>2399630
I would've loved actual critique when I posted some shit to ff and ao3... I've stopped writing, because I didn't know what I was doing and it felt like I went nowhere (story wise).
But, for years, I still have the desire to write. I'm going to start up again, just no idea how.

Plus tumblresque excuses, but this isn't a blog.
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>>2399630
>do you enjoy or appreciate proper critique and criticism to your works
Definitely.
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>>2399630
I appreciate it. Proper critique hurts, but it's better than silence or compliments that don't even mention what was good, let alone why. Whenever people don't point out the flaws in my writing I jump to the conclusion that my work is full of basic errors and beyond redemption. I know my writing is flawed and the flaws I know of I can correct or live with, but the ones I can't spot keep me awake at night.
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>>2399630
I love getting proper critiques. Anons in the lit thread have pointed out mistakes that I would've never noticed. I always keep those critiques in mind when I review my writing, and I believe my writing has improved because of it. Generic comments like "I like this" are like candy; it feels good, but does nothing to make you a better writer. A critical review might not taste the best going down, but taking it to heart has definitely helped me improve.
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>>2399110
>fic stops updating again
>hell_hath_no_fury_like_a_sister_scornd.cmd
>check the authors blog to see what's his flicking excuse this time
>spine so flicked he can barely stand and walk, has to lay down most of the time
>doctors say he needs an operations, but since it's the spine it's complicated and very risky with not great odds
>his one last chance before that is an ex-marines chiropractor and therapy promises to be painful
>also, sister's bf (black) totalled his ded mums car
Uh, yeah. On second thought angry space lesbian zombie clone rampage chronicles don't seem all that important anymore. Dat perspective, gal.
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>>2399707
You don't need a spine to type. Just tell him to use dictation software.
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>>2399630
I've become seriously numb to "I like this, keep going" and all synonyms. There are two types of constructive criticism however. One is the kind that comes off as haughty and belittling and basically tries to be as technical as possible for no reason other to showcase the breadth of vocabulary. The other kind is the good one that comes with "you could do this better by doing X"
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>>2399859
I actually hesitate to give concrete 'do this, not that' suggestions, even when I think the cure is easy and obvious. Especially in unsolicited public reviews. It's not my story, it's not my place to impose my voice on it.
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>>2399875
You realize that if the author knew how to do this "so easy and obvious" thing, then it would not be an issue in the fic. Therefore what seems easy and obvious to you might not be obvious at all to the author, so you basically expect them to play a game of mystery.
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>>2399945
I don't think that was anon's issue.
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>>2399945
Typos and brainfarts are one thing; I'll mark them out with extreme prejudice and specifity. But what do I do if I think that, say, there's stilted dialogue? I can point out exactly which ones I think are awkward, and usually fixing it isn't a complicated process (read it aloud and tweak it until it stops sounding awkward), but that's still not concrete 'do this, not that' advice, which might be, say, 'ins 'that' here, replace this proper name with a pronoun, split into two sentences here'. And this sort of technical, passage-and-lower level of problem is the *easier* sort to offer advice for; I can tell you that your pacing's too slow and getting bogged down in details, but I feel like I'm overstepping the mark if I tell you exactly what I'd be deleting and what I'd be snappifying.

Maybe I'm paranoid about this and over-thinking it. I don't mind close attention that comes with ready-baked suggestions (which I may or may not take) in my own writing. But, yeah, I do feel like editors have a duty to not let their voice drown out the author's.
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>>2399630
When I see there is a new review I get really excited. When I open it and it just says "Great story" or "Keep writing! So good!" I feel a little sad. When I open one that is a few paragraphs long (even if they have a few negative things to say) I am always really happy. That proves that my writing is good enough to engage the reader enough for them to actually have things to say about it, not just that I did some fanservicey shit that they want to see more of so they say "keep going" and leave it at that.
I always get mostly positive reviews, with the exception of one rather controversial decision I made in one of my stories. I could not help taking the hate as a compliment, though, because I could tell I shocked my readers enough to warranted an emotional response, which is exactly what I was shooting for.
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>>2399630
Proper critique is absolutely invaluable, it's great to see. What's also great is when somebody who might not be confident in expressing critique says "I liked it" but then goes on to explain what they liked and why, and maybe what they didn't like and why, as a reader. It's a step up from the empty "keep going" and shows somebody really gives a shit.
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>>2400047
I'm a reader and I don't know jack shit about literature, so I can't give any helpful/detailed review
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>>2400174
But you can at least tell the author what you liked and didn't like, for example if you enjoyed a certain character's dialogue or found a plot twist to be too unbelievable. That's better than literally nothing, which is what 99% of people leave.
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>>2399502
diff anon, but it's possible for an author to get things so blatantly wrong you're left with two options: they're either a virgin or a man.

but it's not like the internet makes it easy to track down realistic, descriptive lesbian porn for research purposes.

and it's not a problem limited to sex. there are some areas of knowledge that are harder to come by than others based on second-hand information. descriptions of drinking and drugs can end up pretty goofy. i can also generally tell when an author has never picked up a gun in their life, but that's easier to learn about from google.

i'm not saying you absolutely have to have an experience to be able to write about it tho.

>>2399714
kek
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>>2398297
Yes. I can also mostly tell when lesbian porn is written by a man because I've been having lesbian sex for years. It's not all visuals. Certain sensations, smells and sex practices are so off sometimes it ruins the immersion for me.

It's the same reason why lesbians don't watch 3D lesbian porn. It's staight women who barely like touching each other and who can't finger, eat pussy or scissor for shit.

Quick obvious pointers for yuri or femslash authors who haven't had lesbian sex or are virgins.
>Lesbians don't have long nails, they hurt when sticking them in your vag that way
>write dialogue that doesn't sound like they're having hetero sex
>Vaginas don't smell like roses or flowers.
>it's really hard to cum from tribbing/scissoring
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>>2399630
>implying you can find any flaws in my work

I'm pretty much perfect.
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>>2400303
>it's really hard to cum from tribbing/scissoring
This is really the only thing you listed that actually stands out in lesbian smut, whether it's written by a man or a woman. Maybe you're confusing the third one with the metaphorical references to pussy as some kind of flower (by bad writers, but not necessarily virgins); it has nothing to do with smell.

>It's the same reason why lesbians don't watch 3D lesbian porn. It's staight women who barely like touching each other and who can't finger, eat pussy or scissor for shit.
You're looking in the wrong places. Watching standard plastic American pornos is the absolute dregs no matter what "genre" it is. Branch out.
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>>2400303
>it's really hard to cum from tribbing/scissoring

What if they start scissoring after they did other stuff and are almost there?
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>>2400303
Eh, it's smut, not realistic. Thankfully. Funny how realistic depiction of sex are so boner killing.
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>>2400330
There's a difference between actually being titillating, unbelievable, and then clinical.
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>>2400330
This is why I always go way over the top when I write sex scenes, with lots of gushing and toe-clenching, like a raunchy doujin. I'm a virgin and I've never kissed anyone or saw anyone naked in an intimate situation. I get nervous when I'm alone with people I just don't get aroused by the human form, so I don't really see the point. People look the same as dogs and pigs to me, just like animals. I just like to write about magical girls getting it on, and I don't want to stop until I sleep with someone, which is about as likely as fusion technology becoming commonplace.
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>>2399630
>So this is for you authors, do you enjoy or appreciate proper critique and criticism to your works
Absolutely, so long as it's not written harshly - criticism is one thing, but ripping something apart is another. My favorite reviews tend to have both criticism and praise, like a "you can improve on X/Y, but I really liked Z"

In fact, I tend to kind of dislike a "i like this, keep going" thing.
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Is girls shooting more girl cum since it's been so long since they came just a baseless porno idea?
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>>2401332
Fucking what?
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>>2401332
Yes.
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>>2401338
Fine I'll take it out.
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>>2401332
>girl cum

You mean urine.
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>>2401397
This is why cutting sexual education in schools is bad if you are not trolling. Women, but not all women, have an analogous prostate that is fully capable of producing distinct chemically identifiable female cum. And has been proven to be capable of stimulating to the point of "ejaculating noticeably".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene%27s_gland

While all ejaculate can contain trace amounts of urine due to the human reproductive system sharing space with the waste disposal system, urine is not ejaculate and ejaculate is not urine. It's proteins not a waste byproduct.
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>>2401402
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene%27s_gland
>it has been postulated that

Do you understand the meaning of the word "postulated"? But go ahead and keep deluding yourself into thinking that the piss you drink from your gf's cunt is "girl cum."
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>>2401407
Did you read anything other than what you could use as a "gotcha"?

>Female ejaculate, which may emerge during sexual activity for some women, especially during female orgasm, has a composition somewhat similar to the fluid generated in males by the prostate gland,[6][7] containing biochemical markers of sexual function like human urinary protein 1[8] and the enzyme PDE5, whereas women without the gland had lower concentrations of these proteins.[9] When examined with electron microscopy, both glands show similar secretory structures,[2] and both act similarly in terms of PSA and prostatic acid phosphatase studies.[3][10][11][12] Because they are increasingly perceived as merely different versions of the same gland, some researchers are moving away from the term Skene's gland and are referring to it instead as the female prostate.[3][13]

Ain't no one claiming that porn style fountains of gushing water is cum. That's not realistic for normal humans, thus why everyone above said no that does not happen. The average glands are just too small to produce more than a few milliliters. We're talking a tablespoon or two worth that can "squirt out" during release.

Female ejaculate is a real substance that can be collected in a test tube, can be chemically tested to determine its composition, and its distinct production ducts required to make it can be found in enough women to judge it as more than just a rare mutation. The arguments "postulating" come in for whether or not they are responsible for large jets of "release", and again the answer to that is no.
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>come to the fanfiction thread
>get a biology lesson
Only on /u/
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Why does anyone care about female ejaculation? Aren't vaginal fluids good enough?
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>>2400303
Same thing with fujoshi writing their gay slash fics while you are a gay man. You pick up the scent in every paragraph they are just winging it or copying it from other fics. Really makes the anatomical parts of the writing seem unimmeserive.

Curious. Are men any good at writing yuri? Is it all just horndog stuff or do they do the cool psychological stuff that chicks write?
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>>2401597
>Are men any good at writing yuri?
The ones who are don't draw attention to themselves. And to be fair, on literotica I've ran into a lot of lesbian stuff that reads like it was written by a teenage dude, only to discover that the author at the very least claims to be a woman in her 40s or 50s and has never written anything but lesbian content.
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>>2401602
What would you recommend as stories with accurate and well written lesbian sex? They say learn by aping the best.
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>>2401664
Look up a pairing you like on AO3, search for explicit fics and sort by kudos. You'll find great fics in every reasonably popular fandom.
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So what's with soulmate AUs? Where and when did they start popping up? Two fandoms that I read have had them suddenly when prior to it I didn't even know it was a thing.
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>>2402173
In what manner? More fantastical or the whole "soulmate's first Y will be on your X?"
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>>2402177
The ones I've read have been pretty specific. You have some kind of identifier that will let you know when you've found your soulmate such as a magic watch that counts down until you meet them or a "tattoo" that reads whatever your first words to them are. Apparently these are popular and not just random ideas according to the author?
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>>2402180
writing prompt blogs is most likely the origin. Given the nature of prompts, they could seamlessly apply to fandom ships. The actual method might be changed by the author but the foundation of the prompt is the same "physical indication of finding your soulmate"
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>>2402180
fanfic prompt stuff spreads like an STD. If one fandom gets it, pretty much every other popular one gets it.
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>>2402173
What fandoms? And do you have some good examples?
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>>2401597
99% of the early yuri fan fiction movement were from male writers.

What are you smoking?
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>>2402245
Not sure if I could say "good" but I remember first finding out about it from a Hibike story on AO3. I think this is the one.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/5868019
The other is a K-On one that's currently being written and updated on FF.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12285163/1/Tick-Tock
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>>2402180
I've seen this a lot in Once Upon a Time fics. The tattoos specifically seem to be very popular. Like, you are born with or develop a sort of tattoo, and your soulmate has a matching tattoo. I've read at least three different OUaT fics from different authors with these magic soulmate tats.

The 2009 film TiMER has a similar thing going on, where you are born with a timer in your arm that tells you how long it will be until you meet your soulmate. I'd say it's a pretty common theme.
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>>2402251
I don't read yuri fanfics so I wouldn't know (do like yuri though). I respect any type of homo-erotic shipping and anyone that does it; just want to learn the history.
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>>2401443
I literally once ended up giving a friend of mine a biology lesson after reading a fic she'd wrote and realising she was wearing an incorrectly sized bra 24/7 due to the way she wrote something in the story.
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Do you think if two women have butt plugs in them that they would still be comfortable scissoring?
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>>2402405
Yes, I don't see why not.
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>>2402405
probably about as comfortable as scissoring ever gets (which ranges from 'awkward but kind of fun' to 'uh, let's do something else')
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>>2402405
Depends on the size of the plug.
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>>2402173

Oh Christ those things are cancer

As are coffee shop and high school AUs
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>>2402173
I'm not sure when they came about, but they are certainly everywhere. You have sift through them to find less generic fics.
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>>2403012
I know they're bad - deep in my heart, I know they are - but I love coffee shop AUs.

I also used to be into HS ones, but I got over that years ago/
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>Coffee shop AUs
Do they visit the Rabbit House or what?
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>men write /u/
>it's all in-universe, in character, and has compelling storylines that mesh with the media's story

>women write /u/
>it's a coffee shop AU or a school AU with alpha/beta dynamics or soulmates laziness or "magical tattoo that somehow you get at birth that guides you to your partner so I don't have to set up a decent story and expend real effort"

It's kind of sad, desu. Look at the great, old stories out of something like Buffy or Kim Possible and compare it to garbage like The 100 or Frozen. Women, please put some fucking effort into this shit.
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>>2403128
how can you tell what genders write fics in the first place?
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>>2403141
It's most apparent with the way they describe stuff. Like clothes, environments, etc. Men tend to provide shorter descriptions, while women's are generally longer and they stick an emotion some times to the descriptions. Of course that doesn't mean it's 100% sure, but generally for authors that are average or just slightly above it's telling.
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>>2403141
>>2403186
One thing I've found is that in general no male author will write a scene where the pair goes shopping, while female authors always include it.
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>>2403128
I think you mean:
>adults writing /u/
Vs
>teens writing /u/
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>>2403128
>teenager boy writes /u/
>shitty grammar, it's porn without plot, full of typos, he typed with only one hand, everyone is out of character
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>>2403186
>>2403189
I can find several exceptions to these just in the Lucky Star fics, I wouldn't treat these as rules.
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>>2399502
Bitter virgin detected.
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>>2403286
That's why I said it isn't 100% indicative. Never stated them as 'this is absolutely what it is' either, just happens more often than not.
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>author writes fantastic characters, nice romance and good smut
>gets every sickness known to man, familiar problems out the wazoo and his/her job boss is a tyrant so updates are rarer than a golden unicorn with two heads
Every single time.
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>>2403012
>Oh Christ those things are cancer
>As are coffee shop and high school AUs
You are like a little baby
Watch this
>O M E G A V E R S E
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>>2403448
Just looked it up.

I swear if I didn't drop out of college due I would be writing papers psycho-analyzing the shit out of this.
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>>2403456
>She didn't know of omega-verse
Welcome to Hell, nee-san. Enjoy your stay. You can still psychoanalyze. I'm sure it'll be fun to read.

>>2403413
It's a rule of the universe that the worst things happen to the best people. It just seems to happen even more in fanfiction because there are so few really great writers.
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>>2403541
I kinda like werewolves, but the omegaverse thing is awful. Besides the futa (which is the worst part), I hate the alpha/omega thing, that's not how wolves work.
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>>2403186
So you never asked for theor gender and just assume juvenile romance shit is written by girls while serious shit is by guys? Go choke on a bag of dick.

All of the action, phiolosophical, existential crisis, political, psychological, and especially PWP fics I've read in Mai Hime, Nanoha, KnM had been written by confirmed female authors, as they were the most famous authors in the fandom as well.

Compare that to shitty porn and self-inserts written by little boys and basement neckbeards. Just take a look at the Neptunia, Touhou, Frozen fandom. There were an autistic guys in the Frozen fandom who wrote the kind of cheap romantic AU you complained about "female" author. Shit is so cringe.
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>>2403560
>Compare that to shitty porn and self-inserts written by little boys and basement neckbeards. Just take a look at the Neptunia

This. I'm glad I don't like Neptunia anymore, the fics were utter shit self insert crap
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>>2403548
>>2403555
>>2403561
>armchair dropout psychology
Fuck off if you can't even do leg work. ABO shouldn't be discussed here at all.
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>>2403562
NEPPU!!
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Looks like it's time for that good ol' report and sage
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>>2403560
Where did I say 'juvenile romance shit' is written by girls and 'serious shit' is written by guys? I just described what are my experiences with authors, and yes, I knew most of their genders because they mentioned it in passing when referring to themselves.

Don't pull me in a 'discussion' when you want to rant about things you like/dislike and then be an obnoxious fuck about it.
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>>2403563
What did she write? I'm curious now.
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>>2403665
An attempt to psychoanalize the Omegaverse as women wanting to be dominated.
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>>2403562
God that makes me sad. I really love the Neptunia characters and I wish there was more good fanfiction for them.
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>>2403675
Oh.
I would've gone with girls subconsciously wanting to usurp usurp the position of their mothers by asserting dominance over other girls.

That was a lark, don't get me b&, moddesses.
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>>2403681
This.

>>2403695
I hear there's a number of stories featuring mother-daughter femdom. Can't remember exactly where ("Literotica"? Something like that).
Not fanfiction, though.
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What roles should male characters play in fanfics?
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>>2403700
Whatever role the story requires them to.
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>>2403701
Which, hopefully, isn't a caricature characterless villain.
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>>2403700
Something like Doom Guy.
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>>2403700
The first response is obviously the best response, but I'll expand on what that anon said. They should play the role most akin to their role in the source material, barring being in a relationship with the girl(s) the fic is actually about.

As an example, if you were writing a Kim Possible fanfic you'd pretty much have to include Ron if the fic goes on for any length of time unless you can come up with a good excuse as to why he's not around (and no, killing him off is not a good excuse). So in this case he should act as the understanding and supportive best friend and too be extra secure about his non-interference it is typical (though not required) to pair him off with a side character that does not interfere with whatever pairing you want to run Kim through. So typically for Kim Possible, it means pairing him off with Yori.
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>blocks the futa and futanari tags
>someone tags their shit as "girl penis" instead
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>>2404182
Then block that too.

It's not hard.
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>>2404183
I will, but I hope people don't invent a new tag that means the same thing
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>>2404184
girl penis is an old tag that is mostly from the western stuff focused fanfic types. Futa came for the weebs.

Neither are all that new.
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The only Nep fanfic I still read is that one controversial one that shan't be named.
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>>2405839
Can't be more controversial than the Noire or Idol games.
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>>2402173
Soulmate AUs are the G rated Alpha/Omega AUs: They're everywhere, in every fandom, and some fandoms just have a shit ton of them.
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>>2402293
Probably because soulmate tattoos are actually cannon in OUaT, though not quite like that. Regina knows Robin is her soulmate because he's got a lion tattoo, so I can see the appeal in expanding it.
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>>2403700
Depends on whether or not they get in the way of a ship. If you need to break up a cannon pair to write a story, it's fine to either quietly pretend they were never dating in the first place, or have them decide it didn't work out and put the man on a bus. If they're not cannon together, just write the man as normal.
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>>2405897
I never got the appeal of a soulmate au. Isn't it kind of boring when the characters know that they're going to get together? At least for regular fics, there's the dramatic irony that while the characters don't know, the audience knows.
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>>2405978
It just replaces the question of "will they" with "when/how will they"
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>>2405899
Don't forget subversion. Quite a few fics that make mention of Emma having a Lyon (flower) tat when they broached the topic.
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I want to get back into writing fanfiction but I'm always stuck between making a huge sprawling story which inevitably gets snarled up in its own complexity, or short little things which don't really satisfy. Anybody else suffer from this?
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>>2406320
I'd suggest outlining your stories and writing at least part of a rough draft before getting started publishing it.
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How many times can I use the construction "verbed adjectively" before it gets annoying?
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>>2406396
Using a more precise verb is better whenever possible, but adjectives aren't satan itself.
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>>2406396
if it's "kissed passionately" throw it out the window immediately and try again.
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>>2406396
If you're asking the question, you're probably using it too much.

Some people will tell you to never, ever use adverbs because it's telling and not showing, but I'm not one of them -- but maybe bear in mind that you *can* replace some adverbs like that.

Reading it out loud is the litmus test of annoyingness/clangingness. If it sounds okay when you do that, readers won't complain.
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>>2406396
Ideally, avoid whenever possible, but no more than 1 every 5 paragraphs.
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>>2406396
The proscription against using too many adverbs is greatly misunderstood. It's not using too many that's a problem - it's how you use them.

Adverbs become irritating when they add nothing to the verb, and by extension to the sentence, when they reinforce something which is already clear from the action or dialogue, and merely intensify the verb rather than change it. Adverbs are fine when they modify the verb so much that the sentence would have a different meaning without the adverb.

I once read a book in which two characters were having an argument, and a line of dialogue attribution read "she said snippily." This was just bad writing, because her tone of voice and intention were already clear from the line of dialogue and the context. Bad adverb.

A good adverb adds something to the verb or sentence which is otherwise absent. For example: "smiled sadly" - sadly completely changes the meaning of smiled. I can't think of any more complex examples of this right now because it's very dependent on context, but hopefully you get the idea.

The other pitfall with adverbs is making them up. If you use adverbs then make sure they're words you (or the POV character) might actually use to describe concrete things - slowly, carefully, grudgingly, widely - not made up adverbs to reinforce how a particular action is done.

Another example. Say you want to write that a character "walked slowly and carefully". In this case I'd strip the adverbs and replace it with "inched" or "edged" or "crept" depending on the situation, because we know what those things are. Now imagine you want to write the same character slowly and carefully opening a box. There's no specific verb I can think of for slowly and carefully opening a box, it's too specific, so use the adverbs because they add something which would otherwise be absent.

Context is key.
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>>2406494
I always imagine walking slowly and carefully to be someone hungover, for whatever reason
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>>2406320
This >>2406326
I was out of the game for almost 2 years before I sat down and did this. At the very least, have a set plan for the beginning/middle/end and some important scenes.
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>>2403700
Any role the plot demands, aside from fucking someone in the main couple.
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>>2403012

French/Russian Revolution AU's.
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>>2407500
>Russian Revolution AUs
Really, that's a thing?
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>>2404182

> Blocked "futa*", "girlpenis", "g!penis", "ladypenis", "hermaphrodite", "pre-op trans"

> shit is tagged as "girlpenis!Character"
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>>2407519

Yeah. It's a subtype of Royalty AU.

For example: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8140660
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>>2407519
Romanticized history is a hell of a drug.
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>>2407533
>Royalty
>during the French Revolution
Geez, you might as well just call the thing "Beheading AU"
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>>2407519
Yep, communists continue to ruin everything, and fanfiction is one of those things
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>>2407519
>Really, that's a thing?
Sadly, yes, because apparently execution quotas, famine, mass murder of civilians and disastrous civil war are extremely romantic if you're a communist
[Angry Ukrainian Sounds]
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>>2407500
>Russian Revolution AU

Do the people writing these actually know anything about the 1917 revolutions?
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>>2407562
Of course not
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>>2403012

There is literally unironically nothing wrong with Coffee AUs
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Female Naruto / Female Harry Potter

Why do people do this
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>When you read a fic that hit all the right buttons but can't find it anymore despite searching for all the oddly specific shit that happened in it.

Maybe it was on some unindexed blog or something but its always going to bother me.
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>>2407618
I assume beause rule 63
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>>2407591
There is nothing inherently wrong with most any setting, but that doesn't make them inherently good. When the same setting, same details, and same relationship notes get hit over and over again, everywhere, it gets old. It commits the mortal entertainment sin of being boring.

Can it be done well and interesting? Sure. Absolutely. But the level of skill, and fresh ingenuity, required to make it more than just the same old tired tale wearing different name tags is substantially higher. Once you read a great fic like that the bar for more also only gets even higher from there.

How many fics can be summarized as:
>Barista and regular customer hit it off, bumble some adorable dating, drama comes in that makes a stumble in the relationship, eventually gets resolved and they row as people and as a couple, live happily ever after.

Or
>Two homeless women that love good but cheap brew independently hear about a great new shop, hit it off over cups of basic black roast with dreams of cappuccinos at the same table, bumble adorable attempts at day jobs but help push the other on so they can save enough to live the dream, reach their goal but realize that they actually love each other's company sharing any kind of drink more than they love the artisan brew, live happily ever after.

I would bet far more A than B.
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tfw there will never be a Dykes in Cars Getting Coffee AU fic
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>>2407630
I think some fic I liked got deleted
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>>2407652
Also, as a concept it's basically distilled big-city hipster trash. I can't imagine any other reason why so many people would think a barista romance of all things could be cute or interesting. At least the stereotypical boss/employee setting implies some measure of career success to aspire towards.

But really though, the big issue is these AUs are so restrictive because they're so narrow in their focus. Like, why on earth would you not pick a more interesting or romantic place even if originality wasn't something that bothered you? Coffee shops are just McDonalds but without trashy vibes.
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>>2408078
>At least the stereotypical boss/employee setting implies some measure of career success to aspire towards.
>to aspire towards
M8 what?
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>>2408081
Given that these AUs are generally entirely uninterested in the financial status of its characters, there's really no reason at all to use such a stereotypical poor person place of employment. Now, if they did wish to explore the struggle of lower-class city life as something more than window-dressing, I'd be game.
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>>2408092
So you missed the AUs original point entirely. Makes sense now. They were meet cutes that became formulaic.
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Honestly the best Coffee Shop AU I ever read was one of the first ones ever written. It wasn't just about the fact that a customer walked into the shop and fell in love with the barista, but was also about the struggle of finding ones' identity when ones been told all their life what to do. It's a very good fic where the fact that it's a coffee shop AU is set in the background, and the real story is about breaking free from what you thought you were to become who you want to be.

Since that was my first exposure to the genre, I always held a soft spot for it despite most coffee shop AUs being rather boring works that fetishize the setting rather than doing much interesting with it.
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>>2407561
I don't think it's if you're a communist, I think it's just if you're really sheltered and completely ignorant of the real impact of historic atrocities on actual people.
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>>2407547
how do they though? i dont get it
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>Start writing one night
>On a roll, everything is coming out the way you want and the prose is just what you were aiming for
>Have to go to sleep for work in the morning
>Go back the fic the next day
>The idea isn't coming so strong anymore, you can't express yourself the way you want and the writing suffers for it
Literally the worst
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>>2409071
I know the feels. Trying to grind it out when you are no longer feeling inspired is the worst feeling, like trying to run through mud. I try to remember which sections I need to go back over and try to rework, but I'm usually so pressed for time that I just leave it and soldier on.
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>This 12-fandom crossover

Mother of God
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>>2409820
Those giant crossovers have to be one of my least favorite fanfic styles. They're absolute clusterfucks.
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>>2409820
Dare I ask?
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>>2409822
One of the fandoms in the tags is "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic". I don't think anything else has to be said.
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>>2409837
Sounds like autism hot pot.
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>>2409820
It's like going to a potlatch and throwing literally everything there into a stew
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>>2409820
I never understood this, why? It makes no sense
Also, why do people put a bunch of one shots from different fandoms all into the same fanfic?
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>>2409820
There's this massive crossover with a lot of magical girl franchises and some other stuff. That one has to have yuri, right?
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>>2409820
These actually can be interesting if you actually know what to do with the fandoms. But if you're just putting them together because you like x, x and x along with x without any rhyme or reason then you are just brewing a giant shitfest.
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>>2409820
At least it's not MC/F!SI Omegaverse
Unless it's also that, in which case the author MUST be found and killed
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>>2409877
I think not, the thing was tagged as T and "gen" (no f/f or anything else).
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>>2409881
What does gen even means
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>>2409937
"general" I believe. I guess it's for fics that aren't shippy
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>>2409821
>>2409820

I don't even bother reading them, no matter how highly they're rated.

Two fandoms crossing over can be fun, seeing the author mix and match the rules two very different universes are bound by. Three can work if they're similar universes. Any more than three though is just a mess.
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>>2409947
>aren't shippy
Think of them more as actual plot episodes for a tv series that's divided between romance and say intrigue. Also something about trying to have it be either another movie/book/episode that could easily be slipped into the actual series.




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