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Previous Thread: >>2442396

More Yuri Kitsune Iyashikei.
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Episode 9 preview:
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>>2479337
>forgetting the most forbidden of loves
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>>2479356
I wish they had more time on screen together. I love them so much.
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>>2479362
I know. Saberfox is the best. I want to lie in her lap while she smokes her pipe and plays with my hair, while I fall asleep to the heady sent of tobacco smoke.
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>>2479362
Well, at least Saberfox is on the preview. Meanwhile, Ren seems to have firmly taken the place as the second most important character in the anime and Satsuki's just waiting for her dedicated arc.
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Wait, wtf? Why does Ren says in the dub that she hates DRUNK men when she actually says she hates MEN in GENERAL?
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>>2481002
>dub
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>>2481002
She probably hates gamergate creepshows too.
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>>2479356
Forbidden? I don't see anything in that picture that's forbidden, Onee-sama.
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>>2481002
That's kinda what you get when you watch dubs, nee-chan.
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>>2481002
Why would you ever watch a dub?
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>>2481587
Didn't something similar happen with Kobayashi-san too? Dubs are the worst.
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>>2481593
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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>>2481593
In the dub, Kobayashi says "I'm not into girls or dragons". In the original, Kobayashi says nothing about not being into girls.
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>>2481602
that's horrible and homo/dragonphobic
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>>2481593
>>2481602
>this again
Kobayashi's line was translated like that because her original line ("I'm a woman you know") makes it seem like she doesn't even know what lesbianism is, so it would'nt work translated literally. Her dub line carries essentially the same meaning.
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>>2481719
>Her dub line carries essentially the same meaning.
No it doesn't, Kobayashi said that because she thinks Tohru has confused her for a man because of the way she dresses and her physique. The dub line is her saying she isn't gay or interested in interspices romance.
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>>2481772
>she thinks Tohru has confused her for a man
I don't really remember it coming off that way, it just felt like the typical "but we're both girls" line.
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>>2481779
Rewatched it and I misremembered the scene (confused it with the one where they first met in the mountain forest), but the dub still doesn't match the context of the original line. There's big a difference between Kobayashi just verifying/questioning that Tohru has romantic feelings for a woman (herself) and Kobayashi rejecting Tohru because she isn't gay or interested in interspices romance.
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>>2481807
Kobayashi doesn't know she's gay yet, and obviously being in a relationship with a magical dragonness from another world would be unthinkable for her at this point.
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>>2481607
I found this post funny because on /u/ it can be taken as ironic and sarcastic shitpost while on dumblr, it is completely serious and unironic
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>>2481818
The original script did not say that at all. Your/the translator's headcanon is not relevant.
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>>2482035
The dub VA said she didn't like that line either.
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>>2482035
Nothing to do with the script, it's blatantly obvious that Kobayashi at the beginning is out of touch with her own sexuality (which she discovers through the series by living with Tooru).
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Is this show mainly subtext or are there actually yuri developments?
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>>2482453
Yes.
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>>2482453
no subtext, proper yuri developments.
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>>2482599
Bad example. That's shenanigans not yuri.
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>>2482453
There's actual yuri developments, but the plot is kind of split between half of it focusing on the regular cast members and the other half focusing on an episodic character.

Sometimes the ones focusing on episodic characters will have some yuri development between the regular cast here and there, but that's offset by some parts focusing on the regular cast not having much in terms of yuri.

The parts focusing on Ren pretty much all lead back to how gay she is for Natsume while the parts focusing on Yuzu is either a more subtle build towards her her relationship with Satsuki or focuses on an episodic character with no Satsuki involved. Kiri and Sakura get very little focus compared to the other four, but they're most likely going out from what little we've seen.
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>>2482620
The cockona tongue is yuri culture, silly.
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>>2482640
>futa
>>>/a/
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>>2482624
This week we got Satsuki gayness though.
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>>2482599
Not a good example. She's under "somebody's" spell when she's doing that.
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>>2483618
Well more specifically it's a ghost disguised at Kiri
They're both gay as fuck though
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>>2483619
Oh, I know. I was just trying not to give stuff away. And yes. All the foxes are gay as rainbows.
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>>2483639
It's cute and all but I'm really here for Yuzu and Satsuki. Luckily there are hints of it dripped all throughout like this last ep when Yuzu was refusing the turtle's offer.
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Why do you always do this? Yes, it's clear the gayer ones like each other, and no, it's obviously not going to happen. It's always going to be left vague, stupidly interrupted by someone before a kiss or a confession or dragged until the end just so nothing happens.
>hurr where do you think you are
Searching for actual fucking yuri and not dumb lesbian bitches who don't get together and are just a joke/tease.
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>>2483660
Nice bait, but probably the wrong thread to try to bait people in. Konohana Kitan is a yuri manga, you know. If you choose to wear anti-yuri goggles while you watch the anime that's your own problem.
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>>2483663
When do they kiss in the anime?
>it's bait because I can't for the life of me stop considering every yuri tease show yuri!
Yeah, as romantic as Yuru Yuri, I assume.
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>>2483663
Like saying the sun isn't shining because their eyes are closed. Maybe anti-yuri goggles are blindfolds.
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>>2483674
Maybe you should open yours or grasp some reading comprehension.
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>>2483675
Reading comprehension of what, exactly? The yuri friend I replied to was perfectly clear about the gay fox girls inhabiting this anime and manga.
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>>2483667
>About as romantic as Yuru Yuri
>Yuru = light
It's in the fucking title. It's Light Yuri so it's not going to be like other yuri titles that are much more explicit but it's clear the characters there are attracted to each other anyway. Also, you do realize someone went on a kissing spree in Yuru Yuri so way to shoot yourself in the foot with this comparison.
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>>2483660
It's a decent show even without the yuri. If you don't like it, fair enough. I wouldn't watch a show I found no appeal in just for some scrap yuri either. My actual preference for Konohana Kitan is something like:

Satsuki + Yuzu scenes >>>>> Episodic character scenes (varies based on the character) > Ren + Natsume scenes

I actually find the scenes with the most blatantly gay character to be the least interesting, so I'm not forcing myself to watch it just for scraps of yuri.

Oh, and before anyone takes it the wrong way, I don't actively hate Ren and Natsume or anything. I think they're alright, I just generally find the other parts more interesting than them.
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>>2483667
>it's not yuri until they kiss
Dumb meme.
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>>2483660
You are aware it is an ongoing manga?
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>>2483850
just like kobayashi-san, right? my sides
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>>2483850
Just ignore the bait already, let the mods take care of it.
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Last episode was quite cute. The turtle seemed like a bit of waste of time.
I love it whenever Yuzu talks about Bikuni-sama. She admires her so much!
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>>2483873
What are you trying to say?
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>>2483873
what did she mean by this
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>>2483985
>>2484115
Point is despite Kobayshi-san being ongoing manga, there is naught of romantic progress and lesbian scissoring. So why Konohana Kitan should be different?
I presume. Probably.
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Why are you talking about dragons in the fox thread?
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>>2484237
>there is naught of romantic progress
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I just realized something that's been bothering me about the show. About 8 episodes in and I still don't really know anything about Natsume. If you were to ask me what changes about Natsume's character if she never met Ren, I wouldn't even know.
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Episode 10 preview:
https://youtu.be/x0uw0lYU9Qw

Looks like Yuzu is going to get to take care of a mini Satsuki.
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>>2487543
And even more Kiri smug.
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>>2487543
Finally focus on the main pairing.
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>>2484796
That's from the manga? Or is that a doujin?
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>>2487895
It's not a doujin.
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>>2487895
It's been mentioned earlier in this thread or the previous one.

Bonus material or something. Official but non-canon.
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Saber sharing her wisdom.
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To summarize this episode, everyone loves to fuck with Satsuki, but only Yuzu wants to fuck Satsuki.
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>>2488226
Haha!
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>>2488325
We can go lewder.
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>>2488325
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>>2488354
It was only a matter of time before Kiri started running a lesbian prostitution ring.
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>>2488226
>satsuki had to deal with a turbo dyke sister, a turbo dyke boss and now suspects she was mouth-raped by a turbo dyke kouhai
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>>2488334
>>2488346
>>2488354
GAYYYYYYY
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>>2488374
>Satsuki is living her best life
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>>2488334
This reminds me of a fic idea I had years ago about Satsuki going in to heat.
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>>2488720
Write it, Onee-sama.
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>>2488354
This ain't a brothel! every lesbian town deserves a Saku taichou.
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I didn't think they would show Hiiragi until all the other guests on the stairs have been shown. We're still missing the person in the trenchcoat.

With that said though, this is by far my favorite episode so far. I'm not even sure if I liked the first half with small Satsuki or the part with Hiiragi more.
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Is Bikuni not human? Satsuki is surprised by how well Yuzu interacts with humans but why is it surprising if she lived with one?
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>>2489227
Probably because most humans can't perceive or visit the spirit world, outside of special circumstances. Bikuni might be based off of (or is) a nun from Japanese legend that accidentally ate mermaid flesh as a young girl and ended up living for 800 years.
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>>2489241
She is Yao Bikuni (the Yao means 800), not just a random bikuni.
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>>2489244
The legend that anon mentioned is Yao Bikuni's legend.
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>>2489248
I know, I was confirming that is who she is.
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what's the deal of the manga continuation from 'Tei' to just Konohana. It's still ongoing right? just no one is scanlating it?
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>>2490142
I don't know why they dropped the 'tei' from the name, but yes, there are currently 6 volumes out now and it's still going.
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>>2490142
>>2490162
Probably the same reason To Love Ru changed to To Love Ru: Darkness when it changed magazines. Usually name changes are appending something to the end instead of shortening the original title. Switch magazines enough and at some point the series will just be called Ko.
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>>2490174
You mean Kon.
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>>2488346
You know, I really like how she naturally says “princess” instead of the other word.
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>>2490247
I didn't think about it while watching it but you are right. That makes it so much better.
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>>2490182
Kon will be the series at its peak. Ko will be when the series starts declining and they rely on fans submitting their own self-inserts to be guests. Then we'll have another Yumina.
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>>2483809
I feel like the standard is fair enough. Personally I too would like to see more stuff with the ovaries to show girls kissing girls, it feels so rare, and makes me feel a little dissapointed in stuff like this show, not that I dont like this show, its good shoujou ai, but its not really yuri IMO until they kiss.
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>>2490643
>shoujou ai
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>>2490643
>shoujou ai
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>shoujou ai
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>shoujou ai
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>>2490247
I like the way Yuzu's ears are twitching when she talks about another girl kissing Satsuki.
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>>2490643
>shoujou ai
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>>2490810
what did they mean by this?
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>>2488346
Wait, I'm confused. Didn't Kiri just tell all of them that she gave Satsuki medicine when she was asleep? Why is Satsuki getting flustered?
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>>2490887
No, she only told Natsume. Yuzu and Satsuki weren't listening.
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>>2481719
>("I'm a woman you know") makes it seem like she doesn't even know what lesbianism is, so it would'nt work translated literally.
This is an interesting argument. It makes the assumption that the viewer is retarded, but since it's a dub, that's not an entirely unreasonable assumption to make.
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>>2482111
>Nothing to do with the script,
>what the character says is nothing to do with the script
You have brain problems.
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>>2490886
It's hinting that even Yuzu has a jealous/possessive streak. Small, but it's there.
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>>2491031
Reread the entire post chain. It's not about what she says but rather how she acts at the start of the series.
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>>2490648
>>2490662
>>2490687
>>2490770
>>2490813
But thats literally the definition of shoujou ai though
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>>2491629
Just fucking call it yuri or even "lesbian anime/manga", anything is better than "shoujo ai". Why use a Japanese term to label a genre when 1) it's not even used in Japan, and 2) it doesn't even describe the genre properly.
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>>2491629
>shoujou
Not a word
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Episode 11 preview:
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>>2491641
>>2491640
I dont care I just wamt a show where the characters kiss. Not this endless parade of yuribait shipteasing gay for laughs comedy bullshit.
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>>2491629
>literally the definition of shoujou ai though
It is literally not.

And to add another reason to >>2491640, it unnecessarily draws a line between yuri and "real yuri". As has been said a hundred times before, even heterosexual relationships in anime/manga usually don't get kisses, that doesn't make them not what they are.

>>2491649
You should have realized this show was not for you in the very first episode, then. If a kiss ever happens in something where it wouldn't normally occur it will become common knowledge on /u/ within hours.
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>>2491649
I swear this anon is like the LRD of yuri.
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>>2491649
you should watch Hina Logi then
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>>2491649
Kissing is too crude and is only for western settings. We Asians express our love by polishing mirrors.
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>>2491629
>definition of shoujou ai
There is no such thing. It's a term made up by westerners as a bad translation of Girls' Love. You can telll the ones who came up with the term didn't know a lot of japanese because they used "shoujo" (prepubescent girl) rather than "onnanoko" (girl in general).
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>>2491743
>"shoujo" (prepubescent girl)
That's not the case.
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>>2491743
>There is no such thing. It's a term made up by westerners as a bad translation of Girls' Love.

From what I know there actually is a definition, it's just that that definition is less "love between girls" and more "the love for little girls", as in, pedophilia. So it's even worse than just being made up.

Meanwhile Japan says "Girls Love", which they also basically invented, which makes it even weirder that the west decided to reverse-translate it. But at least Japan doesn't seem to insist that all yuri is hentai and everything else is GL.
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>>2491766
In Japan the very obscene lewds with gratuitous fluids are referred to as Rezu (Lez).
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>>2491743
>>2491756
>>2491766
Shoujo means "girl". In terms of age ranges, that would cover "minors", basically. So it isn't restricted to "prepubescent" or "little" girls, but sexual interest in them basically equates to pedophilia, yes.

As far as I'm aware, "shoujo ai" isn't in general usage in Japan. However, as a semantic construct the meaning is pretty clear. "Shoujo" as explained above means "non-adult girl". "Ai" means love. Therefore "shoujo ai" => "love for (young, potentially prepubescent) girls". There is nothing in the vocabulary to suggest multiple girls or love between girls, so the connotations are indeed pedophilic.

For the record, "shounen ai" was a thing in Japan -- (I'm not well-read on this, but) potentially a precursor genre to yaoi/Boy's Love, and indeed potentially the origin of the western appropriation "shoujo ai". "Shounen ai" has basically the same pedophilic connotations as "shoujo ai" in Japanese, except perhaps that women expressing love for young boys might not immediately throw up warning bells about appropriateness quite as fast. In shoujo manga/literature history, there was a boom (in the '70s-'80s I think?) of stories featuring solely casts of young boys in platonic relationships. These were highly romanticized/idealized; my impression is that they were popular with women, and could've been the precursor genre to Boys Love. It makes sense if that was the literary genre identified as "shounen ai", which similarly isn't really in common usage in Japan today.

Long story short: "shounen ai" and "shoujo ai" are words which express love towards young boys/girls in themselves, not their relationships with each other. It can easily have connotations of pedophilia, especially in the case of "shoujo ai".
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>>2491792
This is the source regarding my comments about shoujo manga history:
https://nyaa.si/view/796311

A quick google confirms that the genre I was thinking about is referred to as "shounen ai". Note that the aspects of "young boys" which were romanticized in shounen-ai fiction were things such as their innocence, passion, and dreams; the objects of idealization were "boys" in themselves, which is why the genre was called "shounen ai". The growing interest it helped foster in sexualizing or romanticizing same-sex relationships between males was a distraction which morphed off into it's own separate genre of yaoi/Boys Love.
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>>2491629
pic related taken from the 183p long thesis about Yuri.
Long short story, never use the word Shoujo Ai if you actually mean Girls' Love. The tags on mangaupdates, batoto and other readers are relics from the past, which I suppose should distinguish between nsfw and sfw Yuri. That tag is mainly used by people who either know nothing about Yuri or by people new to the genre.
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English speakers still use 'yaoi' even though it has fallen out of use in Japan and doesn't describe the genre properly anymore.

Instead of writing all that, you could have just said that 'shoujo-ai' is an outdated term that nobody uses anymore. It's like saying 'colored people' in 2017, people will look at you funny.
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I want to look exactly like Yuzu.
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>>2490247
I though it was referencing the a princess kissing a frog into a human, and not the true loves kiss from a prince thing, since Satsuki clearly went through a physical transformation.

Unless it was just a reference to the true love's kiss concept.
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>>2491936
I think either one fits since she immediately thought of Yuzu either as the princess or her true love.
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>>2491936
Kiri says aisuruhito no seppun which means lover's kiss.
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>>2491818
The problem isn't that it's outdated, it's that it was never a term used by people making the yuri. If you said 'yaoi' to an otaku they'd know what you're talking about, even if it's not the most popular term now.
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Damn, what the hell, even the part with the doll made me tear up. I'll never be able to throw away another doll again.
I do want to lick Natsume all up, though.
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Can dolls fug dolls?
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>>2494686
Do girls make barbies fuck each other when not enacting a dark sacrifice? The answer is yes.
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>>2494686
Of course.
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y'all ero onna
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>>2491856
Who doesn’t. She is cute as hell.




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