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Here is Chapter 28, enjoy!

https://www.mediafire.com/file/m1lq5vzk9sdxxdq/%5B4s%5D%20Yagate%20Kimi%20ni%20Naru%20-%2028.zip

I changed the translation of the play title because Yuu makes it painfully obvious this chapter that I picked the wrong way to interpret the pun.

Release folder: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3xg5q53brg7c9/release
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Damn, that was nice timing; just came onto /u/ for today and this was posted. Thanks again 4s.
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>>2482413
Thank you!
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>>2482413
Thanks, btw can you translate the illustration Nakatani did for this month?
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>>2482413
Thanks 4s, great work again.
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>>2482413
Thanks!
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>>2482413
Not saying I hate it, but if every problem in yuri could be solved by a prep talk like this it would be the most drama-free medium ever.
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>>2482413
Is Nakatani trying to wrap up the story? Because this chapter sure feels like so.
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>>2482468
I hope not, I don't want volume 6 to be the last one. I was expecting more drama for sure, but it's not like Touko has completely changed, if anything she's just starting to question herself and to change a bit. Also, it's not Nakatani's style at all to make a huge melodrama unlike other yuri mangas, so it's fine I think.

>>2482467
Yuri problems tend to happen due to bad communication. For once I'm happy that a couple can talk about their issues instead of avoiding each other for a whole volume, that's just stupid.
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A little bit of drama wouldn't hurt...
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This story won't finish soon.
Because we forgot Renma-sensei.
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>>2482487
Renma-sensei is too hot, hopefully she'll appear again at their graduation and give age gap with Koyomi
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>>2482473
>Yuri problems tend to happen due to bad communication
This is usually true in yuri but it's not exactly the case with YagaKimi. The central conflict here is about Tougou's issue, her unwillingness to accept herself. I love that they talk but I would have loved to see she entertained the idea of accepting her current self or thought hard about this issue after Yuu's prep talk before accepting this offer, because humans by nature are resistant to change and one usually doesn't abandon a believe they've been clinging onto their whole life in a moment.

tl;dr: Nakatani should have actually shown her thinking process instead of immediately BAM, I'm loving Yuu's idea now.
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>>2482499
*Touko
Damn I fucked up.
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>>2482435
Yuu: Huh? It’s super hard to raise that character’s affection level! How did you do it so quickly?

Yuu: Did you look up a guide or something?

Touko: Hm? Nope.

Touko: I’m just doing whatever.

Yuu: Geez, what talent…
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>>2482499
This Touko issue has been going on since the end of volume 2. Dragging it out any longer would cause readers to get tired. But I think it's too early to make any conclusion, since Touko is still full of doubt, but she has expressed a desire to be herself before, so it's not like she's as stubborn as, say, chapter 10. I think one factor is having Yuu (and Sayaka) by her side, without them she would be pretty fucked up
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>>2482503
Thank you!
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>>2482413
Thanks for your work again.
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Grebe -> Dove
Hail Nakatani Hato.
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>>2482473
Yuu is brave. Telling Touko she couldn't kiss her this chapter was akin to a slap - see how Touko reacted. But Yuu is really confronting her bullshit head-on, & it looks like it worked. I like it a lot.
>>2482499
>I still think I'm empty.
Touko is still conflicted.
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>>2482413
Animate is doing a limited edition of the last volume but I have no idea of how to signup and login. I'm crushed.
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>>2482662
When you say last volume, do you mean volume 4?
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>>2482413
Thank you for your hard work! This chapter is really bringing back my whole excitement for this series.
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>>2482775
was there ever a reason to lose your excitement?
so far everything has been done perfectly.
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With Eclair bleau coming, i'd much rather they make it a quarterly mag. I mean the one shot just doesnt worth it.
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>>2482764
5. There's a limited version of it.
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>>2482938
What does it have?
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>>2482946
https://www.animate-onlineshop.jp/pn/%E3%80%90%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%80%91%E3%82%84%E3%81%8C%E3%81%A6%E5%90%9B%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B%285%29+%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E3%82%BB%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%80%90%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AA%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89%E4%BB%98%E3%81%8D%E3%80%91/pd/1494923/
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>https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0749NNYBX
>https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0749L9CVP

I just bought this set of ridiculously overpriced for what they are acrylic figures. I think I like these two better than >>2482961 but I'm tempted to import that as well.

Anyone else buy any other yagakimi merch? The only other thing I have is a clearfile from the cover issue dengeki ran that one time.
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>>2482413
I like the the last panel shes "Bloom into YUU" brilliant
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>>2482791
I lost my excitement since Touko sulking like a kid and wont listen to anyone who desperately care about her. But this time she properly listen to Yuu's reasons and didn't push her away. The writing is good before, but I guess it just didn't fit me.
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>sees "loving Yuu" as her own thing
>claims she has nothing else besides becoming her sister

Why is Touko such an autismo
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>>2483045
3000 Y for 2 acrylic figures is mad expensive. I do think the double set looks good though. Problem for me is that when I order any acrylic figures and they arrive I'm just like "why did I spend money on this."
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>>2483092
She said that's the only thing that's hers but despite that still wants to be someone else, it's like you missed the point of the scene
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>>2483109
If she's capable of having her own thing, then she has no need to act like becoming her sister is her only thing. She can easily obtain more of her own things.

It's like you are the same plot induced stupidity as Touko
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There's gotta be drama during the play. It feels way to trivial for Touko to just be convinced like this when she was sperging out nonstop for the whole sister thing. It just doesn't feel cathartic because the tension is not sufficiently depicted.
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>>2483112
The point is that her logic doesn't make any sense and it's contradictory like she said you idiot
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>>2483126

And that's why she's an autismo, you goober
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Hot damn I love this series. This was such a nice chapter.
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I think it will have another chapter relating to chapter 24. I want to know how Yuu's thoughts changed after she had known Akari's problem.
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>>2483195
This is the last chapter of volume 5 though. I think the "don't deny what's given to you" part may be related to what Doujima said? I mean how he said people put their all in confessing and how even if you don't reciprocate you should address their feelings properly instead of ditching them and giving a vague answer.
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>>2483221
i don't think that's directly related to what doujima said, if at all. touko was never vague with her responses when people confess to her. she bluntly says that she doesn't want to go out with them because she just doesn't want to date anyone. she doesn't leave them hanging and make up some excuse like that guy that yuu's friend likes.

i think the "don't deny what's given to you" is exactly how it sounds. touko is trying to "be" her sister, so she feels that everything else that other people give her (while she's trying to be her sister) was never really hers. yuu's saying that she needs to acknowledge that it's for her and it's not right for her to think and deny it otherwise.
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>>2483045
I'd like to import this too, but I've always used Amazon Japan so I have no idea what proxy/ forwarder to use.
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>>2483249
Then what was the point of the sudden focus on Akari's crush and that whole speech Doujima said? Filler? Development for background characters? I thought it would have some effect on the plot but it turned out it didn't
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>>2483045
I only bought Yuu from fromjapan and for like 10 dollars cheaper, bless. I do hope I magically get my acrylic snow Yagakimis, because I supposedly ordered using tenso aka I don't know what the FUCK I did and I don't know if it'll work.
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>>2483396
Of course she hasn't arrived yet, though. Thanks, Europe.
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Does Japan export to third world shitholes? I want to order figures too
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>>2483396
>>2483397
Can you link these items for people who can't moon?
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>>2483518
Fromjapan is in English.
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>>2483098
It really is. It's obvious why they make it 2 separate figures, since it isn't like anyone is going to buy just the one. As long as it doesn't look like handmade arts and crafts junk that I could have printed out myself I'll be happy.

>>2483252
Go to the buyfag thread and read the importing guide.

>>2483396
Wouldn't they be more expensive because of the fee from Tenso? Shipping for each figure on Amazon.co.jp was way cheaper for some reason even though it was the same air mail option I always use.
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>>2482413
Thank you so much as always. Great fucking chapter btw, I'm hyped!
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>>2483555
Well, I had 500 something yen in my account for some reason, and if I had ordered through amazon it'd be more expensive.
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Yuu unwittingly pushed TouSaya ship.
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>>2483045
The yagakimi phone-cover was super lovely but probably impossible to get by now. I should have chased it harder..
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>>2483045
All mango volumes in Jap, this thing, a folder case with them laying on a beautiful blue background, made 3 shirts with Touko/Yuu and am currently waiting for said special edition volume 5 if it does arrive.
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>>2484163
>yagate kimi ni na(re)
>itou hachi and a bunch of other good artists are in it
What is that and why don't I have it?
>melonbooks
Oh, right. They better release that at other retailers in the future or I'll be living with this jealousy forever.
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>>2484187
Canno too! I got it from FromJapan. I can post some of its stuff for you, if you want.
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>>2484163
Could you post the blue background one
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>>2484226
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>>2484208
Canno's version of hte yagakimis is super cute. Now I'm concerned at my willingness to spend a ton of money on a 20p booklet.

>>2484232
Buying all this yuri will be the end of me.
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>>2484238
I really love her designs, despite not having read her shit in over a year.

And yeah, mine too.
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>>2484241
That's so much cheaper than the current price. I'd buy it at the price in a heartbeat.
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>>2484255
Ya girl doesn't play around when it comes to Yagakimi.

But seriously, I just got lucky. And had I not mistakenly picked AIR Mail, it would have been way cheaper.
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These are it I think
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>>2484273
where from?
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Nakatani really likes "Hold hands". She drew a lot of "Hold hands" scenes.
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>>2484629
hand holding, cuddling and kissing are the holy trinity of purity, Natakani knows her stuff.
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>>2484629
And feet. There's some subtle foot focus to help convey body language/emotion in the series too.
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>>2484629
I LOVE the way she draws her hands. And her artstyle in general.
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>>2484672
Where? I think I missed that
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>>2484629
Yo you forgot Touko and Sayaka's handholding
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>>2484692
Not them, but like this for instance. The curled toes. I will search for more.
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>>2484700
I did, since it happened only one time and meant nothing, oops
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>>2484700
I don't forget this, but I just cap YuuTouko handholding.
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>>2484672
This desu. I notice there are some patterns that are used to portray physical intimacy between the characters. Yuu seems to have a thing for playing with Touko's hair and also to hold her hand during some pretty emotional moment between them (22 & 28). If wonder if she'll confess, she'll hold her hand while expressing her feelings. If the extras are any hint then Sayaka likes Touko's chest a lot. And Touko is just horny overall so she's all over Yuu.
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>>2484692
There's a few - I'll upload some.

>>2484737
Yeah, those are moments I feel define the series and I'd love to see more of it. When they laid together while Touko was talking about her feelings, Yuu holding her and playing with her hair feels incredibly intimate.
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>>2484692
Bonus Touko leg-flail
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>>2484839
And here's a bad mashup of other times when feet/bare feet carry a certain prominence or help with body language and intimacy.

I think it helps because, generally, it's rare to have that kind of focus. Feet are hard to draw, and mangakas are always on a deadline to pump out the pages. That we have not only well-drawn feet, but also giving them space on the page, and to then use them as an emotional focus, too is pretty awesome in my book. It's one of the things that sold me on the series.
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did Yuu want to kisu too /u/?
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>>2485231
Yuu is such a self-insert. "I'm just an average high school girl but the hottest student in school is head over heel for me and I act like I'm doing them a favour."
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>>2485271
really now.
that's what you get from this story?
some people simply have no hope.
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>>2485273
chill out, I'm sure anon was joking. But Yuu did act like that during the first chapters though.
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>>2485273
You're a retard. Did nobody tell you to lurk 2 years before posting on 4chan, newfag?
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>>2485323
What are you going on about, you piece of shit?
I'm gonna call a retard out when I see one.
Next you're gonna say you were just pretending, that's always a good one.
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>>2484629
Does this count as a handholding? I thought Yuu just touched her hand to tell her they need to get off train
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>>2485342
Well it's lewder than a traditional shoulder nudge, which is usually clothed.
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>>2484629
I also love this page.
Very nice.
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>>2485342
She does curl her fingers around, so it is a "hold", but I suppose if you're being pedantic, then it's "wrist-holding" technically.
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>>2485231
Well yes, of course, but she knows that if she did she'd just be hurting the person she loves.
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>>2485933
degeneration
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Could someone edit this pic and put an anime girl face instead so I can post it on /u/
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>>2482413

That image is so fucking adorable.
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Someone tells me when is special 5 out?
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>>2488019
January
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I feel like this is doing everything right that citrus has been doing wrong.
Has this author made anything else?
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i loved the heat building in this scene and
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>>2488344
Nakatani is so sensual even when she's not making it NSFW.
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>>2488353
I like how Yuu is blushing here
also look at the contrast between alpha Yuu back then >>2488344 and now
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>>2488344
I love how they pose in that scene. Yuu's shoulder dips and movements, the way Touko moves her head and plants her hands. Nakatani is definitely great at conveying body language sensually.
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is it going to end after they get together? I want to see Yuu being a qt girlfriend
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>>2488357
I probably repeat this in every other thread, but let me go gung-ho for my favorite series in the world. Isn't it refreshing that none of the characters blush easily? It makes it more powerful when they do blush because you'll know it's because of a feeling strong enough to react in such a way.
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>>2488373
It's the same with crying and it really is refreshing. IIRC, there's only one crying scene (from a side character) and that was played for realism, rather than drama. I guess it's just nice to see strong willed characters that won't just break down at the end of every second chapter for the sake of tugging at heart strings (though there's nothing wrong with that).
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>>2488388
Exactly. I think blushing is super cute, too, even when exaggerated for no good reason. But when used only when in essential situations, it is then empowered.

Touko cries when she's playing her character in the play, after the change. From my perspective, she cried from within herself and not from her acting, despite the acting triggering that given its essence.
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>>2488573
That scene with touko crying while practicing lines is so powerful. God I love this series
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>>2488656
I completely agree.
I wonder if Saburouta can do something like this.
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>>2488679
Damn I forgot how intense that scene was. This is literal pottery desu
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>>2488338
Citrus is shit, I dropped when they introduced that "antagonist" character (the one with headphones) and the plot/relationship was going nowhere for too long. I was so dissapointed with citrus but im so glad it led me to this.
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>>2488353
L-lewd!
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>>2488679
The change of the order is driving me crazy. But of course she can't, Sabou isn't entitled to write anything beyond shitty plotless drama.

Hand bonus right here!
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>>2488344
>>2488353
It's great to see how their relationship has changed to a more balanced one regarding roles, at first Touko was really shy and blushy while Yuu was stoic and serious, almost fitting some top/bottom dynamic. But now Yuu has become much cuter, shy and more bottom-like while conserving her caring side and Touko has become bolder and way less shy when it comes to intimate scenes like these while needing to be taken care of her. I like this new dynamic. I guess when they fuck there won't be top/bottom and they'll switch
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>>2488710
its too easy. touko is far more interesting and likeable than mei, and it actually has a plot.
i legit feel bad for citrusfags
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What's with this comparison with Citrus? The plots are totally different and Citrus has dumb plot devices, explain please
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>>2488825
It's like how until Citrus started getting translated everything was measured against girl friends and strawberry panic.
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>>2488827
Gfs is great, why did people complain?
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>>2488828
It's not that it was bad, just that those were the only yuri commonly known. These days it is Citrus.
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>>2488710
But Matsuri and Harumin is the best thing about Citrus now
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>>2488755
I have to ask, I'm sorry.
why to praise this manga some need to mention Citrus somehow? not everyone does but I have seen it often, in the thread of Citrus generally no one mentions Yagate kimi Ni Naru.
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>>2488903
As a yagakimifag who doesn't like Citrus I wonder the same thing. I would understand if they got something in commom but nope. I guess it's because in the West Citrus is the most popular yuri manga so other works are compared to it (?). It's not the case in Japan where yagakimi is much more popular though. Or anons just want to shitpost, who knows.
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>>2488903
I just responded to the post, and I'm sure most people would agree. Is it necessary to bring it up? No. Is it a valid argument that, among all the popular yuri stuff, Citrus is the one that gets the most attention while having a shit plot while Yagakimi, despite also being fairly popular (thank god) still somehow gets less spotlight than Citrus? Yes.

I do wonder how the thread turned out to be about shitting on Citrus, though. Still a great thread, so far.
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>>2488353
Because she knows sexiness doesnt have anything to do with nsfw.
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>>2488970
Heh, it does. But yes, my point stands, she's quite something for being able to convey such sensuality through non-inherently-sexual behaviors.
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Nothing wrong if we compare YagaKimi with Citrus. The more popular, the more comparable.
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>>2488990
Okay but I think it's enough for now, it's ruining the thread. Why can't we talk about yagakimi only instead? More interesting imo
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>>2488994
What are you talking about? This thread is, for once, not being shitposted or "MUH SAYEIKU" and you want to take that away from us? You leave.
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>>2488996
Shitposting about Citrus in a yagakimi thread is better than talking about Sayaka? You leave
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>>2489001
We're discussing it in a civil manner and it's no one's fault you don't know (or pretend you don't) what I meant with the second part of my post. Now, you were told to leave if you're so bothered and unwillingly to take part of it. Bye!
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>>2489003
Force me faggot
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>>2488996
What if you use the thread to talk about something other than shitrus or Sayaka? Like Yuuposting
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>>2489016
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>>2489022
Last month someone asked about the progress on the Yuu folder. I compiled every single relevant Yuu raising eyebrow face (except the ones covered with too much text or too small) and other occasional expressions. Now at 2 AM, I finally finishing updating it.

I'm sure I included every single reaction because I re-read it 5 times. if anyone is still interested: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fibta484w4xl65l/AADl_2sZBCUUdnI1Kjk86e2Ia?dl=0
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>>2489062
finally finished*, good englando

Goodnight, Yagakimi!
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>>2489062
Great, but I like flustered Yuu face better since it's more unusual which makes it cuter, still thanks for the Yuus nee-san
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>>2489062
Thank you. I will have to dig through this later.
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>>2489062
thank you anon i can now fulfill my dream of being a yuu poster and never run out of reaction images
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>>2489062
took me a bit of time but I scraped it down to the usable reaction images let me know if you're interested

i think i will be using this one a lot
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>>2489279
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>>2489279
Gimme.
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>>2489279
I understand. From around chapter 17 or 24, there aren't any more Danke scans, so the quality looks severely worse and I had no better source to cut faces from.

Feel free! All Yuus are welcome. Also feel free to clean up some of them if you want, I did a bit but Paint truly doesn't allow you to go very far.
>>2489121
>>2489263
You're welcome!

I like Yuu being petted as my favorite top 3 ones.
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>>2489319
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1b-176zgDRBSo3oL817zEVmLeKRbyVDCx

all labeled too
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>>2489323
nice labels I can actually use them now.
But really from 170 to 35 images is what you salvage? Im sure theres more.
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>>2489340
m-me too
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ok i'm finally caught up now with 28
so is volume 5 already out in japan or what because japan is confusing
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>>2482656
thank you for putting this into words. that NO was so impactful... very much a slap in the face for touko and one that she needed as well. I remember about to turn to that page and thinking "the answer has to be no, but there's no way it actually is" and then there it was. I think if at that momeny yuu had just caved again I would have dropped the series because it would have just thrown out all the development and progress happening
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>>2489323
Something's wrong with your labels. All of them're showing Yuu, but there's just one labelled 'cute'? T-That's not possible! Every Yuu is a cute one!

All jokes aside: Thank you! Really appreciate your efforts!
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<3
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>>2488679
uhh it's meant to be read in L to R huh? facepalm moment
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>>2489323
http://www80.zippyshare.com/v/AkS2lr4i/file.html

added some more images to the folder. labels may or may not be shit as I am a retard when it comes to distinguishing emotions.
I blame the internet.
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Vol 5 will release soon.
I hope YagaKimi sold 500k for 4 volumes.
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>>2490231
It got my money, at least.
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Nakatani said something involving in YagaKimi on twitter.
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>>2491567
It's a reply to someone saying that yuri works should try to explore sources of drama other than the fact that they are same-sex, because that barrier is not as strong in the modern world.

Nakatani says that she deliberately focused on other sources of drama because that's just the story she wanted to write, but that she thinks yuri manga should still address the same-sex barrier for the people who are still struggling with it today.
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>>2491602
Yep. I myself prefer stories that address a different drama with same-sex issue as a side problem. But I still like stories that only do one of tbose.
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>>2491602
Any drama can be interesting if it is made interesting.
“Same sex barrier drama” just seems to translate into “forced marriage” and similar bullshit way too often in Japanese manga. That’s a chapter Japan just should close the lid on once and for all.

A narrow topic range is bad here in the sense that it inherently limits a story to plot pillars that have a higher likelyhood of having already been done before, maybe to the death even, while a broader topic range keeps the entire combination of events fresher, even if chopped into smaller chunks most of them have been there already in some form or another too.
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>>2491660

The issue with same-sex drama is how predictable it is. Its the same thing everytime and ive yet to see a take on it that held my interest
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>>2491993
It would be unrealistic for all characters to have zero reservations about out though.
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>>2492024
Even so, the logistics of passing off a relationship as good friends/roommates shouldn't be as complicated as it's made out to be.
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>>2491993
I think the main issue is that too many authors are so creatively bankrupt they have to go all in on that drama because they have no other ideas for drama. And yeah, that gets really predictable and annoying to boot. In these forced extreme situations a lot of characters behave the same way, while a less on the nose drama would be able to showcase nuances and character development.
And that’s probably true for any kind of drama. Overdo it and you lose nuance making everything predictable. Why yuri specifically attracts authors writing these kinds of horrible mexican soap operas, I have no idea.
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>>2492024
But Bloom Into You is not unrealistic. First off, there are not many people who know about Touko/Yui relationship so we don't have the suspension of disbelief "everyone" is fine with it. Secondly, Yui's dad had had a small scene where he casually expressed homophobia. This kind of storytelling is incredibly skillful, making homosexuality an obvious issue yet never put it in the spotlight, because it's fucking boring to deal with gay angst and because gay angst very easily outshine whatever other drama the author want to tell.

I have talked with many yuri-haters, and apparently most don't hate the idea of girl-girl romance (even though they themselves thought so). What they hate is how fucking sleepy and predictable same-sex stories are, it's always depressing angst with characters powerless to help themselves, eventually get killed off or marry somebody else or live in exile or unrealistically happy-go-lucky. When these people get to see actually interesting yuri, such as Princess Principal or Murcielago or Valkyrie Drive or Dowman Sayman stuff, they go full gay while stressing "I'm not a yurifag, but I like X/Y."

What the consumers need are unpredictability and a sense of empowerment. A hopeless victim of society who doesn't call out bullshit, doesn't stand up for herself, doesn't do anything interesting like a stereotypical lesbian character will never make anyone want to root for her.
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>>2491660
>Any drama can be interesting if it is made interesting.
Well, yes, but in this context that sentence is just a pretentious excuse. We need to be smarter and think of a way that can ease the production of interesting yuri stories, not just telling people "you just have to work harder!" It's the equivalent of saying "let's keep talking about families instead of new topics like technology or music. Any topic can interesting if made interesting!" to your friends. See if they want to talk to you ever again.

A horse beaten to death like gay angst is clearly a poorer choice compared to new territories that nobody had explored. Even with the same level of mediocre execution, the new topic will still generate more interest compared to an old topic. We've seen too many lesbians dealing with society's rejection, each other's rejection out of fear, forced het marriage, suicide, etc. People now want to see space lesbians dealing with the threat of never seeing each other again due to black holes, pirate lesbian dealing with angry parents-in-law whose daughter she had kidnapped, vengeful lesbian dealing with falling in love with the girl who had killed her family, etc.
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>>2493256
Why do you keep calling Yuu "Yui"?
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>>2493361
Phone.
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So finally reading it through all up to date at once; I feel like Touko feels that so long as Yuu doesn't seem interested in anyone, she can use her as a pacifier to be able to pour feelings into without getting hurt as a way to cope with her sister dying.
>>Hence: "Let me love you, but don't actually get feelings for me that I'll have to deal with." Like when she snapped at Yuu when she dried her off with a towel at the bus stop when her eyes went dark and scary. Or she would've obviously gone with Saeki, but she probably already knows her feelings and keeps her at bay for it. Meanwhile Yuu is actually slowly falling for her.
So she basically wants an emotionless fuck buddy to make her feel something, but not have repercussions of dealing with them because she claims she hates herself and maybe feels unworthy of love maybe due to some sort of guilt involving her sister so that's why she's so obessed with taking her place? That's just the impression I got.
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>>2489062
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>>2493304
I believe you're just rationalizing a personal distaste. Your main argument is that the trope is overdone and we need to see different things, which is conceivably fine, but it still doesn't invalidate using gay angst as a whole.

Personally, I don't mind it at all, because I really haven't seen as much "true gay angst" as people seem to be conviced that exists. Homosexuality as a problem is most of the time just a small bump in the road when compared to whatever else the main couple is dealing. This is what I see in modern manga the most, and when I see posts like yours convinced that it's like cancer on the genre I simply cannot agree.

Like that anon said, any drama can be interesting if it's made interesting. It's not pretentious and certainly not an excuse, because tropes are the writer's tools, and their application can vary and suprise the audience in ways they wouldn't even think of; saying that they shouldn't be used is closing the door in front of potentially great works, just a step above actual censorship. Bad writing is just as bad and numerous in yuri as it is on literally any genre or media, and writers will flock to the lowest hanging fruit regardless of the trope at hand. If lesbian space pirates were the norm, it would be done just as badly most of the time like this.

I think Nakatani is referring to this idea on that twitter post of hers. It's not that the thing should or shouldn't be used, it's that, in the end, it's at the artist's discretion to use it, and consequently tied to their own skills.
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>>2493693
This. Basically the case of many Yuufags in here.
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>>2493680
Nah, Touko is obsessed with becoming her sister because she hates herself. She stated she hated herself before her sister died, when her sister died she sure felt guilty over the accident and during the funeral some people kept telling her to take her place, which she did out of love for her sister and guilt for her death. But I think Touko's motivations changed over the years, she started the whole thing out of guilt, and when she saw everyone loved the new Touko she developed an identity crisis and started hating herself. Basically she hates herself because she feels empty and that nothing about her is real since she (thinks) is only an impersonation of someone else, yet she forces herself to continue this insanity because she likes how people see her as special and bc she thinks she has nothing besides that (apart from her feelings for Yuu which she sees as the only real thing about herself). Right now I'm sure one of her motivations is still her guilt, but that became a pretty much side aspect of her decision to be like nee-san. Yuu eventually made Touko realise how stupid her reasoning is last chapter.

Regarding Yuu, imo Touko does love her and care about her but at the same time she uses her because with Yuu she can be herself and imperfect and that makes Touko feel at ease. The idea is that since Yuu didn't love her she wouldn't pressure Touko or put expections on her, but now Yuu does love her and because of that she's doing all of this play thing to help Touko, which in turn made Touko realise she can't control Yuu (and Sayaka) anymore.
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>>2493693
I suppose I might as well
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I miss the Sayakafags. Bullying them was fun.
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>>2493734
>Not even one picture of Yuu's beautiful smile and laugh
Shit meme
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>>2493708
I have been reading yuri on a daily basis since 2004, so I don't think I'm scaremongering about the prominence of gay angst in yuri at all. It's a cancer to yuri just like average beta high schooler harem master is to het. Are there still many interesting non-beta non-harem works? Yes. Are people still fed up with beta faggot harem? YES. I hope you see how pathetic your denial is now.

Why is it whenever I see the premise of the top het or yaoi works, it's always interesting ideas from serial murder mystery to isekai, yet looking at the top yuri works it's saturated with NOTHING-HAPPENED-ONESHOTS-LOL.

>If lesbian space pirates were the norm, it would be done just as badly most of the time like this.
And that is exactly the point! You have some astrocious reading comprehension to think I said "gay angst is inherently inferior to space pirates." No. I freaking stated that gay angst is a HORSE BEATEN TO DEATH. An overly used norm and that's why there are so many badly done works out there even by good creators. You need a genius creator to write gay angst creatively and making it stand out, whereas you only need a solid creator to make a new topic engaging.

It's maths. It's about how to use manpower efficiently. The same pool of 1000 creators thrown at gay angst will only produce 1-2 notable works at most, whereas if thrown at every other topic under the sun will produce at least a dozen enjoyable series.

It's not like it's freaking hard to think of topics either, just look at het and yaoi for inspiration if you're that creatively bankrupt. A lesbian 7 Seeds clone (frozen humans waking up in a distant future after an apocalypse) or lesbian Inuyasha clone would have drawn much more attention compare to "X is in love with her best friend but is too afraid to confess her feelings."
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>>2493708
Also regarding Nakatani, yes I agree with her 100%. I much prefer yuri works done in a world where same-sex is clearly addressed to be not the norm. My entire point is that it shouldn't be the main topic every freaking time, or glossing over in a I-see-lesbian-everyday universe.

Bloom Into You made it clear it's not the norm (Yuu's dad doesn't want a gay daughter), but it's sidelined to give way to the main plot. That's exactly how I want new shit to handle homosexuality.
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>>2493742
I was working with the folder the other anon posted I actually did look for ones with her smiling
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>>2493770
and of course I now notice the one picture of her smiling and saying I'm happy
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>>2493770
S-Sorry. There weren't many, and I did focus on the eyebrow and surprised ones.
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i will print this and put it in my wallet thank you kind sir
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>>2493956

I really love the cover jackets of the Japanese volumes, which is why I buy them even though I already have the Seven Seas version (much uglier at the sides IMO)
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>>2493956
Why Touko doesn't want to hold Yuu's hand ;w;
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Which cover does everyone like the most?
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If we do get an anime adaptation, which studio would be your ideal?
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>>2494500
I think of P.A works, KyoAni.
I relatively like P.A works.
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>>2494460
3rd one's my favorite, this cover comes in as a close second.
but i'm just a sucker for nice shades of blue.
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>>2494835
My same words. Damn.
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>>2494500
After considering it I think I wouldn't want one. I don't trust any studio or director to recreate the visuals that lend the body language the weight it carries in the manga. Without that the anime would be robbed of one of the best parts of YagaKimi and I would hate to see the anime not live up to its potential.
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>>2495032
I can see where you're coming from, but we don't stand to lose anything from an adaptation as if it does not live up to the quality of the manga, the manga will still go on as great as usual. We stand to lose nothing as fans and have everything to gain.
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>>2494460
Currently my favourite is the 4th, but I can see the 5th taking over in the rankings for me.
That reminds me: what does the cover for the limited edition volume 5 linked above look like? Is it the same or is it different?
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I just read this doujinshi. I thought Kosuzu was Nakatani lmao.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/qs_copyist
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>>2495032
> body language

Its still perplexing to me that manga can convey nuanced body language so much better than animation can. Not that im complaining
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Seeing NTR ending after it resolved its main problem just makes me more sure yagakimi will end after the play is over, probably volume 6 will be the last one. It would suck, for once I'd like yagakimi being like Citrus in that regard
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>>2496198
The play is not going to resolve the main problem.
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>>2496198
>I'd like yagakimi being like Citrus
??? In what regard
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>>2496202
Logic and lots of foreshadowing strongly suggest it will. To see Touko changing completely after the play is unrealistic but after chapter 28 she has become open to change so I'm sure she will change her mind about her beliefs soon.
>>2496207
Citrus shows Yuzu and Mei's lives as a couple. I know this is possible due to Mei being a total retard and the shit drama SU does, but I totally give credit to Citrus for at least showing the couple post-confession, growing together and doing couple stuff, and I'd like yagakimi and other yuri mangas to do the same. Kudos to Kase-san too.
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>>2496215
>Logic and lots of foreshadowing strongly suggest it will. To see Touko changing completely after the play is unrealistic but after chapter 28 she has become open to change so I'm sure she will change her mind about her beliefs soon.
It will not be enough that she will become comfortable with herself and comfortable with Yuu being in love with her. It will not resolve the main point of the story.

Being sure it's ending soon is pretty daft.
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>>2496215
A couple whose 1 of the parties consistently denies the other party love and physical intimacy and just decides spontaneously that "ah yeah today is a good day to kiss and then ignore her for the rest of the day"? No thank you. Yuu and Touko aren't even a couple yet, and the progress is gradually being shown, too.
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>>2496221
Then all this focus on rewriting the play's end and all of Sayaka and Yuu's efforts would be for nothing. Nakatani added this play because that's the climax of the story and the performance is the moment the story will wrap up. Like I said, the foreshadowing suggests the play will do its work and Touko is not as stubborn as she was in chapter 10. At this point I kind of have accepted this, but I guess It'll be fine enough for me if at least the confession scene is epic and then the end.
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>>2496231
>Then all this focus on rewriting the play's end and all of Sayaka and Yuu's efforts would be for nothing.
That's a ridiculous thing to think. This arc is a step to start the process.

>Nakatani added this play because that's the climax of the story and the performance is the moment the story will wrap up.
It's just an arc. The performance is the climax of the arc.
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>>2496225
I wasn't refering to the details, I meant I give credits to Citrus for showing the main couple dating, I know the way this has been developed in Citrus is fucking shit, and I don't want the same to happen in yagakimi. Just the "show the couple dating" thing.
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>>2496233
I said the performance will be the climax you doofus. And they're almost there so it will definitely happen in volume 6 and it's very likely that the story will end after that.
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>>2496244
>I said the performance will be the climax you doofus.
And I said it's the climax of an arc. Not the series.
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>>2496236
so what you are saying is you just want some fluff to pad the story out after it actually ends
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As much as I love Bloom Into You and the main couple I can't really see the series continuing without the play. The play has been mentioned since chapter 6, a huge part of the plot has revolved around it, I'd dare to say basically the whole plot. The play is an essential part of the story, without it there will be a big hole where fans won't have anything else to look forward and discuss every month. If you look at forums almost all of the comments and discussion are about how the play affects the plot, theories about the new end was gonna be, how it will be performed, etc. And many fans also expect it to end after the performance and resolution that come afterwards.
I feel the "problem" with the story is the big focus on the play, at least this is a problem if Nakatani has planned to continue the story post-play, if she hasn't then everything is fine. And I say problem because like I mentioned the play is the central point of the manga, not because the idea of doing a play is bad or anything.
If the manga does continue post-play I'll be pretty happy, but I can't tell most fans would agree with me.
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>>2496198
>>2496231
>>2496244
This is painful to read. Nakatani, unlike you, is educated and knows how to write, so stop pretending like you are an authority when it comes to understanding what she has planned.

She has consistently proven her ability to create a story that defies your expectations, yet you think she is going to employ the same hackneyed writing techniques that Citrus and NTR rely on to eek out their meager story. Give me a fucking break.

Finally, a climax is not synonymous with a story's immediate end, you illiterate child. The denouement is likely to be as exciting and expansive as the climax because it will resolve the true conflict. As in all good stories. Because this isn't a fucking melodrama.
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>>2496250
What's the problem with some fluff? I also agree that ending any story after the couple gets together is cheap, the ending of NTR was really bad for example.
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>>2496258
The play is not that important. There'll be something else for the next big arc to be about.
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>>2496264
theres nothing wrong with fluff, I just don't think it should be filling out a story after it's already over. fluff can serve its purpose in the beginnings of a story or perhaps as side/extra content. I just think it would be insulting to conclusively end the series and then just drag it out with fluff.
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>>2496271
>play not that important
has there even been a single thing more important than the play
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>>2496274
The relationship between the main characters.

The play's arc didn't even really start until ch 10.
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>>2496259
>She has consistently proven her ability to create a story that defies your expectations, yet you think she is going to employ the same hackneyed writing techniques that Citrus and NTR rely on to eek out their meager story.
I would have agreed with you until volume 4, volume 5 sucked ass big time, with chapters 25 and 27 which added and contributed absolutely nothing to the plot and were mere fillers Nakatani probably did because she didn't know any other way to complete this volume or because she doesn't know what to write anymore. So fuck off.
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>>2496276
ok my bad for not specifying with "thing" but I meant event story-wise. of course the relationship is the story here.

well aside from all this speculation I think we can all agree that the play is a damn brilliant plot point. nakatani 200 iq
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>>2496273
Why do you assume showing Touko and Yuu as a couple is dragging out the story? This is a yuri story whose main focus is the relationship between these 2 characters, the play is just a plot device Nakatani decided to do to cause drama between the couple because she admittely affirmed she likes stories about troubled romances.
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>>2496271
>Not that important
>The whole story is about the play
Meh, anyways Nakatani is pretty good, I'm sure she can easily continue the story after the play and pull it off if she wants to.
And fuck everything if it ends without lewd. All I ask if the story ends after the play is for some lewdness.
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>>2496282
It's like thinking the whole story of Bleach was about stopping Rukia's execution.
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>>2496288
This is not a shonen. Romance works different. Romance stories with arcs don't work well.
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>>2496286
W-What? Delete this!
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>>2496293
They work fine. It's normal for successful romance manga to have arcs.
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>>2496299
Citrus arcs are shit though.
I just checked and at the end of volume 2 it was said volume 3 will have a new arc. Same with volume 3, that a new arc would start in volume 4 (the play). But at the end of volume 4 this wasn't mentioned, it was just stated that the play is approaching. So volume 4 and 5 are an arc that hasn't ended yet, but probably will in volume 6. This means yagakimi can have more arcs after the play. I'm not sure what were the themes of volume 2 and 3 though, they are called arcs but they don't focus on anything specific unlike the play arc.
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>>2496286
This made me wonder which one is the top and the bottom. My guess is that they'll switch. I can't see either of them sticking to one role.
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>>2496277
>Develop character motivation? Suspense?
Foreshadowing? What's that for? Let's just railroad right through this fucker.
25, Koyomi's chapter, directly parallels the change Yuu desires for Nanami as the rewritten play is about to be revealed. 27 shows what Nanami and Yuu are going through because they can't find comfort in each other due to this. It directly sets up the climax anons are suddenly so fond of discussing.

That you picked two detailed chapters that exemplify the show, don't tell style of writing used by this author tells me you are simply blind to these details. If that's not the case then your refusal to appreciate the significance of these chapters is drawing out my honest sympathy.
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>>2496305
Yeah, most people would argue so, including myself.
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>>2496306

Chapter 25 is fine. I didn't mind it since it was a chapter about Koyomi, who is directly involved with the plot because she's the writer of the play.


Chapter 27 was shit imo. It wasn't about Touko and Yuu, it was mainly about Akari. It would have been great if it dealt with Touko and Yuu being distant from each other and their thoughts about it, instead the whole chapter was basically about Akari's situation with her crush, which was so really fucking random. I thought at least it was meant to be a parallel of Touko and Yuu's situation, turned out it wasn't. I thought Doujima's words about confessing being a brave thing to do and that telling someone you love them isn't wrong was meant to push Yuu to confess, it didn't happen either. Akari's story in that chapter had no effect on the plot at all, it's safe to call it a filler. There's no relation between chapter 27 and 28 either. Chapter 27 showed Touko avoiding Yuu and the latter being hurt about that, chapter 28 didn't even address this situation at all. You can literally cut off chapter 27 of volume 5 and it wouldn't change a thing.


I thought chapter 28 was a bit disappoiting too. It wasn't bad but it wasn't great either, especially considering it's the last chapter of the volume and the previous chapters that ended a volume were great. The fact Yuu just gave a small speech and Touko decided to believe in her took away all the tension that the story has built so far, mainly during this volume. Hopefully volume 6 will be a lot better, I have faith in Nakatani.
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>>2496346
>it was meant to be a parallel, turned out it wasn't
But it was. In spades, even.

The point was that Yuu comforts Akari because she sees the pain that Touko feels. Akari being rejected parallels Yuu rejecting the idea that Touko has to take her sister's place. This substitutes what is happening in the foreground, so read it again with that in mind and it should be clearer how this chapter was all about Touko and Yuu.

Also Yuu empathized with the fears Akari faced by trying to make her love work (confessions rejected, being separated for good from Touko, being unable to love Touko - Akari literally says "I thought I could have feelings for him, even if dating wasn't an option" before Yuu goes in for the sidehug, which I'm sure you can piece together the implication Yuu took from that).

But, again, Yuu couldn't go to comfort Touko, in fact she was trying to at the beginning of the chapter multiple times but was rejected because Touko was distancing herself. By comforting Akari, Yuu shows the pain she feels for being avoided, the pain for being unable to comfort Touko and the pain she wants to help heal. It is clear as day when she hugs Akari, and then the next page jumps to Touko. That's not a coincidence, it is visually guiding you towards the connection it made. It jumps to Touko reflecting on Yuu's attempts to prevent Touko from doing as she pleases with the play. This makes Touko's final line of the chapter, her realization that something is wrong, even more clear. She is unhappy if Yuu is unhappy and unhappy that she can't take her sister's place. Opposing thoughts. Hence the conflict that the play is about.

>took away all the tension that the story has built so far
I hope you can read it again with an open mind because the tension has not been released yet. It is buzzing like a plucked string, Yuu's words only directed it into something hopeful instead of hopeless. Dramatic tension doesn't have to result in destruction.
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>Citrus
Holy shit, I've seen that word a lot of times in this thread.
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>>2496417
its essentially the antithesis of yagakimi so yeah.
people love shitting on it, its really just too easy. its like pop yuri
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>>2496286
w-where is this from
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>>2496569
I'm guessing its from that limited anthology that was a retailer exclusive bundle for a previous volume's release.

Maybe one day it will be available in other ways.
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Retailer exclusives are the worst.
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>>2496579
I agree. Doesn't stop me from kicking myself for not caving it and buying it when I had the chance though.
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