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Previous thread: >>2469840
>New fic recommendation list: http://pastebin.com/7PfNUaCG
>Old recommendation list: http://pastebin.com/NyBwmzVf

>Ancient rec list: http://pastebin.com/R3TxjN1b

>Ship list: http://pastebin.com/U6sHLcN3
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>>2483021
Radical
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When you think about it. Weiss has become the new Katara whith the most hyped ships

Not number since everyone is shipped with everyone else
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>>2483060
Katara only had shitty ships though?
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>>2483060
What ships did Katara have other than the big 2?
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Whiterose fans are autists tbb
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>>2483060
rwby itself has become a dumpster fire of shipping everyone with everyone, a reflection of its fan base i guess
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>>2483127
>Artist I follow gets into RWBY
>Immediately starts shipping Pollination
>"Except Enabler tho, ew"
I mean really, why make such a distinction? If you're gonna ship a foursome, embrace the degeneracy.
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>>2483077
There was also Jet but that was pretty much it. The shipping wars involving Katara were the one that got the most hostile though, which is probably what they meant.
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>>2483133
They'd still be wrong, because the most fighting happens over Blake ships, not Weiss ones.
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>>2483131
Depends on who is the flower of the ship.

From what I get, Weiss is the safest center
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>>2483143
From what little they've done so far, they seem to center the group dynamic around Blake.
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Weiss and Ruby are together again.
Remnant sleeps a little more soundly now.
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>>2483127
What do you mean? Arkos happened for three seconds and even that was mostly one-sided, Sun and Yang have some rivalry in the Blakebowl and Renora has been a given since forever.
That's it for canon ships.
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>>2483303
I secretly want Yang to move to the Weissbowl. I found their interactions in Volume 3 cute and after the hug, last episode was crazy with my goggles
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>>2483357
I don't even care if they fug, I just want to see them hug once a season.
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>>2483360
This. Or things that may be mistaken as gay like the eyeballing in last week's episode
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>>2483303
>yang
>canon ships

Good one.
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Do you think Weiss would get angry if Ruby raped her?
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>>2483620
Can't rape the willing.
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>>2483620
She's probably used to being ravished anyway.
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>>2483640
>Tries to molest Weiss
>Get's raped
The Rube's heart is too soft and the counter-rape of the Homo-Queen is too strong.
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I think that we'll finally go to Blake

I can just feel it
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>>2483669
>refined lesbian pals talking about teas and pussies
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>>2483146
Are you referring to Neon?
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>>2483682
Yeah.
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>>2483692
I recently saw her new art as well. While I'm not a huge fan of enabler, I can agree that with Pollination, you go big or go home, and blake being the center doesn't surprise me, considering she loves angst and edge in her headcanon.
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>>2483669
It's really getting to the point where I'm ridiculously uncertain about where this volume is building to.
I don't think bandit camp is gonna be the finale since it looks like the smug thugs are just gonna wreck the place 1 or 2 episodes, but at the same time if Battle of Haven is the finale, the last few episodes better be densely packed with some long ass run-times cause this volume is already half over and Blake's still playing Game of Thrones: Menagerie Edition.
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>>2483755
It really depends on how this week and next week's go, such as if they do get the bandit camp wrecked and move on as well as if the attack on Blake and her family happens.

Looking at it, I may see some parallels with Volume 3 except instead of fights we have infodumps and reunions with a couple fights. Now we're hitting the halfway point where, in Volume 3, it was Yang getting framed and the flashback with Amber. With this Volume, we may have something similar with Vernal getting captured and, perhaps, the start of the Belladonna assassination. After that I do hope it becomes like Volume 3 where we press down on the accelerator and tons of shit start happening back-to-back, episode after episode. Save for the latter half of the finale, I thought we had a good pace of events going in 3 so I hope it turns out the same here.

Even if it does turn out like that though, and with two more episodes, I am quite uncertain if we get a Blake reunion. I'm still leaning towards no sadly.
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>>2483755
Wow, it's almost like RWBY is poorly written and has shitty pacing.
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>>2483761
Yeah. Seeing as the next episode is 15 minutes, I hope it's 5 minutes RWY bonding, and the remaining 10 minutes dedicated to bandit camp shit. I feel like we need a longer runtime episode if we're gonna cover Belladonna assassination attempt plus the last episode leaving on a bandit camp cliff-hanger.

In fact, hell. Now that I think about it, Is it possible we get a menagerie finale.
I mean that would suck ass cause I want Blake to get the fuck out of Menagerie already and the intro implies full reunion, but... is it possible?
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YES, CALLED IT

But wait, there's more! It's the awkward talk everyone's been waiting for
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>>2484218
Oops, deleted due to Sun. But it's just a shot of him running and another of chameleon girl
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I'm still new to RWBY - does S2 get any better? This dance subplot is terrible, as is every part with Sun and Neptune.
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>>2484360
It does pick up a bit. The last few parts of V2 are decent. Not spectacular or anything, but.
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>>2484360
Oh buddy shit is about hit the fan.
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>>2484220
>>2483669
>RWBY Volume 5, Episode 8: "Even More Ignoring Ruby"
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>>2484476
I honestly think that Weiss and Yang are being connected which explained them being adjacent in the Volume 5 poster

Ruby's personal subplots never actually involve her other members when you think about it
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>>2484482
They're lesbians, Helen.
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Holy shit, Ilia actually confirmed lesbian.
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>>2484841
>gay lizard is literally the "jealous psycho lesbian" trope
My sides. Worst girl gets worst love interests.
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Um....holy shit this episode.
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>>2484482
Weiss even parallels Sun. Sun gave Blake the talk andWeiss gave Yang the talk. If Blacksun is being set up then so is Freezerburn.
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So the blakebowl has expanded into a three player game. I wonder how RT is going to handle the Blake-centric romance subplot with how complicated it has gotten now. Either way, I'm pretty sure Sun loses.
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>>2484856
Well technically four. Adam also wants her even if he doesn't have any chances, he might get rid of competition. When it comes to Bumblee there is also now Freezerburn.
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>>2484856
Adam isn't even participating, gay lizard is either going to die or get a redemption arc where she defeats her jealousy and psychopathic tendencies and becomes Blake's friend (and possibly still dies). Sun and Yang are the only ones with any chance, and Yang is more likely to punch her than anything else.
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This is absolutely bonkers

Blake literally has as a set of hero and villain suitors for each gender

And Weiss being Yang's voice of reason which can upgrade to much more if Yang moves on
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Ilia is gay (no surprise)
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>>2484841
>confirmed lesbian is a psycho

Wow never seen that trope before!
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>>2484862
Fuck me, I posted on the old thread
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>>2484875
Baby steps. It will be good enough if Ilia doesn't die (but she will)
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>>2484888
Nothing will come of it. They are way too afraid to confirm anything gay with the main characters.
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>>2484889
Confirming a character having gay feelings with a main character is quite the step though.

Arrrggghh, all the shipping moments in this episode.

Weiss did remember Ruby's cream and sugar and "Nice Weiss strikes again".
Yang and Weiss sit down and heart-to-heart.
"What if I needed her here for me?"
Illia showing the rainbow.


This was a good Saturday.
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>>2484875
But having feelings for Blake didn't make her crazy

She's just too rooted in her anger of her parent's deaths being laughed at
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>>2484899
I'm also starting to see a lot of parallels between Sun and Weiss each of them talking and helping Blake or Yang.

I really think this ep confirmed Blake being straight and Yang maybe being Bi. Weiss is very family centered right now but I do think her and Yang could develop feelings for each other.
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>>2484908
Agreed. Sucks that compared to the main characters, Ilya became one of the most developed in such little time.
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>>2484916
Mmmm....I'd hold off on "confirmed" sexual orientations. Blake may have been falling for Adam but nothing says she never had feelings for the same sex or does have feelings but hasn't discovered them yet. Not knowing Illia's feelings can be more than just not being gay/bi as it could just be something as simple as just being attracted to Adam first.
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>>2484916
I'd say Yang is gay but doesn't want to force the issue, especially after seeing Blake and Sun

I'd be up for Yang taking the initiative with a different girl after she and Blake meet and sort things up
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>>2484951
I vote for Weiss, she works well with Yang.
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Since even before the split-up I held the fantasy of Blake discovering her feelings for Yang and Sun willingly stepping aside.

Now it just seems even more beautiful to me with all that Yang and Blake will have to go through if that dream actually ends up becoming a reality.
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https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/70e746835817af1cbb9132f6b9c1c5ad-52582d4a/ts/index.m3u8

vol 5 episode 8,

yang cant mentally function without the bellabooty. can we officially nickname blake's dad "beastmode belladonna"?
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>>2484360
when you watch the later episodes volume 3, be alone. unless you like people seeing you cry
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it happened
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>>2484899
>"Nice Weiss strikes again"
I'm getting real tired of Ruby having the mentality of a toddler and being treated like one because of it. Her character has not grown at all in five years. FIVE YEARS! None of her interpersonal relationships (friends, enemies, literally anyone) have evolved in that time. She's just stuck in this infantile rut while the rest of the cast are actually growing up.
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>>2484979
Well shit, we're only on episode 8? Is it me, or does it feel like they've got a lot done in this season so far? It feels like there's been more episodes than this.
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>>2484916
>I really think this ep confirmed Blake being straight

Fucking /u/ I swear.

Great episode though. For a second, I really thought we were going to get canon Freezerburn. I'm glad that Yang is really hurt over Blake though.

But finally having a for real, canon lesbian makes me happy.
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>>2485074
It's actually fucking heartbreaking to watch, more and more I feel the writers have no idea what to do with her. 60% of Ruby's dialog could be replaced with "I'll do my best." and nothing would change.

>>2485110
>For a second, I really thought we were going to get canon Freezerburn

Fucking /u/ I swear.
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>Blake taken down in one kick

WHAT IS AURA? These fucking hacks can't be stopped.
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>>2485132
are you stupid
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>>2485132
She wasn't injured, she just had the wind knocked out of her and then Spider-Girl tied her up. She is clearly still in fighting shape after Sun frees her.
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>>2485132
She got her wind knocked out. Additionally, she intentionally got herself caught according to Master Plan so letting them think they were winning before crashed the place only made sense.
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>>2484979
>Kali firing back at the enemy, "Get out of my house!"
>Ghira about to wreck shit
This makes me happy, for some reason.
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>>2485159
It would be genuinely hilarious if Blake and Sun get there and Ghira has already ripped out the priest's spines.
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Blake has now as many legitimate romance options as on screen couples between main character.

What makes this catgirl the most eligible bachelorette in Remnant?
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>>2485195
Cat ears.

That, or people Tumblr like shipping the loner type characters, which Blake is basically token poster girl for.
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>>2485195
Most dark, mysterious and edgy of the main cast.
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>>2484979
>secret lesbian angry at the other girl in the love triangle for being straight
I've seen this already, but I'm not complaining.
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>>2485074
Man, they really just blew her "childish" characteristics out of proportion. Every time she speaks now I just wanna stuff a sock in her mouth. Season 1 Ruby's voice was my favorite tone of voice. Now she sounds like a malfunctioning squeaky toy.
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>Yang whining about her mom leaving when she didn't even fucking know about it until years later

God, can she just die already?
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>>2485324
Pretty sure one would notice their mom not being in their life, but maybe it's just me.
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>>2485344
Not when they already have a mom.
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>>2484951
>I'd say Yang is gay
She's pretty obviously not, per Volume 1.
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>>2485347
Dead moms are usually shit at being moms. And Yang knew Summer wasn't her real mother for a while now. Combine that with the knowledge that her real mother had abandoned them when Ruby, Yang and Tai needed support despite being able to visit them in less than a second because lul portals and it's not hard to see why she was pissed off.
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>>2485344
Anon's being idiotic and trying to start shit. Just ignore them.
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>>2485352
>Yang knew Summer wasn't her real mother for a while now.
She had no idea Raven existed until after Summer died and Taiyang told her. What a dumb thing to fucking whine about when she has extremely loving family members surrounding her. She isn't Weiss.
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>>2485363
>She had no idea Raven existed until after Summer died and Taiyang told her.
That's at least half a decade of knowing your mother decided to abandon you, leaving you with a little sister to raise and a father that tried to drown his sorrow in work.
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>>2485368
Oh boohoo, she had to survive with just a loving little sister, a father that snapped out of it, and a loving uncle who watched out for her the entire time. So alone, what a sad life full of being left behind. How did she even survive?

>leaving you with a little sister to raise
>implying Ruby even existed at the time
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>>2485373
Anon are you okay? Like really. I think more than a bug got up your ass if you're this assblasted because you can't understand Yang's backstory and everything it entails.
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>>2485375
I understand it perfectly fine. What it entails is her being overdramatic about someone leaving her when she only knows about the leaving through a third party, as if that somehow makes her so tragic despite the fact that she's constantly around people who are way worse off and have actual problems instead of "someone I don't know doesn't love me".
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>>2484861
>Yang is more likely to punch her than anything else
You didn't actually watch the new episode did you?
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>>2485398
I watched them awkwardly try to justify Blake bailing on RWY and pin the responsibility for forgiving Blake on Yang, yes. Yang is still sad and prone to angry outbursts, however.
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Right now the most stable partnership we have here.
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>>2485450
Yes, Weiss and coffee is the truest of pairings.
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>>2485450
I'm sticking to this ship no matter how sunk people say it is.
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>>2485450
I feel that RT's going for the chaste main character.
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>>2485463
But what about the Freezerbun fans that stayed so much time underwater only to see a ray of light they never knew was possible?
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>>2485465
Good for them?
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>>2485195
Because she's beauty to the beast that has yet to be officially written
Adam is Gaston
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>>2485464
This is why only Penny stands a chance. She's the only character pure enough for M+K 's daughteru.
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>>2485428
I don't think the show has any intention of treating Blake as entirely blameless; she got the whole lecture at the end of volume 4 about how her reasons for running away were bullshit and she needs to respect her friends more.
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>>2485478
Getting treated like that is what has kept Ruby so static, I don't even hate static protagonists but they need to already be developed and fun first. As always it all goes back to cast size and bad time management.
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>>2485464
Isn't their one defense Ruby's age?
And if they're really going for an epic spanning multiple years that defense won't hold forever.
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>>2485478
>pure
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>>2485489
Ruby actively wants for things to simple

She doesn't want to be the Bee's Knees, she just wants Normal Knees
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It's that time again
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>>2485493
And quite frankly that's made her a little boring after 5 volumes.
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I know, I know, >plebbit and all that shit, but I was curious.

The meltdown in the rwby reddit reaction thread is hilarious. The Blake and Yang are 100% straight task force are in full damage control now that we're getting more specific scenes that suggest that the two may be gay/bi. Still too early to say for sure now, but the tears are flowing all the same. It almost makes the inevitable clusterfuck of RT trying to write through the feelings of Sun, Yang, and Ilia for Blake at the same time worth it.
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>>2485533
>meltdown
>the tears are flowing
Come on now, there's no reason to make things up.
There are barely any mentions of that at all, and the few relevant comment chains are civil discussion about it.
It's not like it's a nonsensical stance either. Of course Yang's talk could be romantic in nature, but it's also entirely reasonable to interpret it as platonic.
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>>2485490
That never made any sense.
She acts like a hyperactive eight year old, and still has no depth or complexity to speak of after all this time. Is her character development going to be "it's my birthday, so I suddenly have a personality"?

Even if it was only about sex and dating, what teenager isn't interested? I was a horny little shit when I was twelve.
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Now with one character confirmed, I can now hope that my ship happens
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>>2485553
Ruby's character arc is about having her naivety constantly tested by a cruel world. She even addressed her issues with her friends' deaths

Weiss and Yang can also be summarized with their family issues

And Blake with her race and wacky love life
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>>2484951
>>2484955
>>2484916
I always thought Yang having one sided affection for Blake was a possible route they could take but I never in my wildest dreams thought that a freezerburn rebound was even remotely in the realm of possibility.
It's still unlikely as hell but hey, one can hope that they go that way if things with Blake don't work out.
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>>2485487
They've so far swept both Jaune and Sun under the rug for being creeps, they'll probably sweep this under the rug too.
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>>2485587
Same here. I was never a fan of BB and only like WR due to the tsundere dynamic

Seeing that FB can be two acting as anchors to each other, I find myself bought into this as a possible canon ship
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>>2485574
Yeah, but even after her friend's deaths she still acts the same as previous volumes... And if you wanna argue that she has evolved, compare her to Jaune... He clearly feels heavily impacted by the situations leading up to the present and Pyrrha's death; as a result, he's become warier of the events taking place in the story.

While they say Ruby's arc depends on her being tested by the world, it's hardly executed in a meaningful way. Compared to WBY, her development as a character is the weakest. We can only hope shit hits the fan hard enough to rattle some of her feathers.
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>>2485697
>Sun follows Blake on boat
>Sun is creepy, what a stalker! Blake wants to be alone!
>Replace Sun with Yang on boat
>Haha yeah! Don't let go of your girl! Talk some sense into her!
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>>2485719
>two acting as anchors to each other
This was what I'd hoped WR would develop into eventually, after Ruby witnesses enough death & destruction and turns into Punished Ruby.

Watching Pyrrha get so spectacularly murdered would've been a great catalyst for that - ESPECIALLY after finding out that she could have saved her if she'd known that she had that special power inside of her. Right from the show's beginning she always wanted to be a hero and make the world a safer place, so you'd think the guilt over her utter failure to prevent Pyrrha's death would be eating her up inside.

Come to think of it, does Ruby even know about her silver eyebeams? She didn't seem to remember what happened and I can't recall if anyone told her the details of her power.
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>>2485794
Basically the only vague indication of anything having a real impact on her thus far has been that one talk she had with Oscar.
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>>2485797
it's almost like people who browse the yuri board are biased toward liking women more than men
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>>2485800
I find Sun super annoying, but nothing he did was creepy, he was just a friend trying to look out for a friend. Much like Yang butting her nose into Blake's obsession over the WF in V2.
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>>2485802
>nothing he did was creepy.
Get your eyes and head checked. Stalking was the first thing he did in the volume and continued to do so until the writers forced him fully into Blake's plot. Didn't even give her some kind of heads up so she would know he was tagging along in spite of her disappearing act.
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>>2485697
>They've so far swept both Jaune and Sun under the rug for being creeps
The fanbase may have, but in the show even Blake sees Sun's action as having being a good thing she's thankful for
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>>2485810
He was being a nosy friend, nothing more or less. If it'd been Yang doing the exact same thing you wouldn't care.
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>>2485815
None of RWY knows where Blake actually is, though; after volume 3, all contact between them was gone. She left with the expectation of hiding her presence and retreating home quietly, yet Sun still managed to find her? That's not being nosy, that's stalking. I'll admit he did it with good intentions, but you can see how Blake interacts with him in that episode that even she found it a little too much.
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>>2485821
I think she would have reacted that way to literally anyone. It has nothing to do with him being creepy and everything to do with her wanting to get away from everything and just go home for some time with her family.
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>>2485798
Again, it's subtle but Ruby doesn't want to address it and it'll take ages for it to be revisited

Right now it's Yang having Weiss as an anchor, and for better or for worse Blake having Sun as the one who helps her come into her senses
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>>2485824
>I think she would have reacted that way to literally anyone
Good on you for notice. His continued following is what further cemented it as creepy. The fact that he tried to be stealthy in the first place is what made it stalking and creepy. Christ are you being obtuse now?
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>>2485797
>>2485815
>implying that Yang going after Blake instead of her sister wouldn't be equally terrible
That would absolutely be equally bad writing, but would be slightly less creepy since Yang's her partner and has reasons other than "I wanna fuck Blake" to seek her out.
But like I said, this would still be shit. Now get the hell out of here with your false equivalency ass!
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>>2485846
No? I'm pointing out that the only reason it's "creepy" is because people have their goggles glued so hard to their faces that even friendly actions become creepy because of some perceived threat to their ship.

See >>2485850
>but would be slightly less creepy since Yang's her partner and has reasons other than "I wanna fuck Blake" to seek her out
Sun is Blake's friend and has reasons to seek her out beyond "I wanna fuck Blake". He specifically came along because he assumed she was going to go fight and he wanted to help her do so instead of letting her run into danger alone.
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>>2485877
I said Sun's reasoning for following Blake is "I wanna fuck Blake" because that's what his character is.
I actually like Sun in theory but he is so unbelievably lacking in character and character motivation. There is legit no other defining feature about Sun I can think of off the top of my head other than his feelings for Blake.

This is a problem I have with Sun outside of shipping war shit. I really just don't like how M and K handled him as a character in Vol 4. Hell, this is an issue I've had with Sun since Vol 1 before I even gave half a shit about shipping shit.
His stupid wink his first appearance made me cringe hard. You can't fucking establish Romantic intrigue or tension by ham-fisting it like that.
And before you say, "you just felt that way because you're from /u/", I didn't really fall down the /u/ rabbit hole until around volume 3 and thought they're interactions in volume 2 were tiny steps in the right direction toward making a less ham-fisted romance sub-plot.

Sorry for the word dump. I have very strong feelings when it comes to Sun and how sadly wasted he is as a character.
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>>2485877
>>2485959
In fact to add to that, these days, I honestly ship BB partially just so Sun gets BTFO which would force the writers to have him develop LITERALLY ANY OTHER REMOTELY INTERESTING CHARACTER TRAIT BESIDES "I LIKE BLAKE".
Even just an inherent want for adventure, as simple as that is. Just anything.
Having someone's main character motivation be a romantic interest unless said person has a deep pre-established relationship with person 2 (see Ren and Nora) is bad fan-fic tier writing.

Hell look at Pyrrha. Even she had her ambitions to become a Hero and save people and her complex about being put on a pedestal.
Her crush on Jaune wasn't the center focus of her entire god damn character.

OK now I'm actually done word dumping.
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>>2485877
You don't need goggles welded to your skull to realize Sun was creepy with the stalking. Anyone with a modicum amount of social experience and or not a sociopath can tell the difference between friendly actions and being creepy by stalking a girl that had her ptsd triggered, especially when it comes to guys unless you're so unaware that it's bordering on egotism.
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>>2485132
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>>2485146
Also, we've mentioned several times that defensive aura isn't something instinctive. It has to be "activated," and Blake wasn't expecting she'd get knocked over.
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Sisters, who has that mini comic of Ruby eating dinner with the Schnees? A friend of mine was asking about it and I realize I never saved it.
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>>2486227
In the previous thread.
>>2477223
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>>2485568
The funny thing is, thanks to the knight summon it actually sparkled.
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So, how gay are the characters in this show? I'm currently downloading it, so I haven't seen it yet, but the only reason I want to watch it is for the purest form of love.

How much of it is there in this show?
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>>2486520
>the only reason I want to watch it is for the purest form of love.
Stop the download and just watch compilation vids on youtube. It's not worth sitting through the first two series just to get to 3 and 5
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>>2486520
One of the villains might have a crush on her boss and one character was just explicitly confirmed as les(bi)an. Neither are overly important, though.
Two of the main four MIGHT have something going on, and whether or not that is the case has been a topic that has been argued about endlessly since the two hugged in the second season.
Also, I don't think you should skip any of the episodes. They're short to watch and the main draw are the fight scenes anyway.
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>>2486520
If you're only in it for the /u/, wait until the series is over, since the main /u/ pairing that is hyped the most won't be explicitly confirmed for a good while.
That being said the show is a pretty quick binge and is worth a watch regardless. Plus like>>2486524 said, literally this Saturday we got the series first ever %100 confirmed Lesbian character.
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>>2486534
>since the main /u/ pairing that is hyped the most won't be explicitly confirmed for a good while
What pairing is that?
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>>2486543
Take a guess. Guarantee that you'll have people saying they're just friends in spite of the outcome.
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>>2486534
>is worth a watch regardless.
You really don't need to outright lie to them. It is a bad show with literally 5 seconds of confirmed yuri and maybe a handful of moments you could read into too much for subtext, they are better off just sticking to fan content.

>>2486543
They are talking about BB.
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>>2486578
It's still a fun show.
Or, well. Was. Until it turned into Sitting&Talking: The Show.
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>>2486580
Sure, but the fun is bogged down in a lot of really low quality. You can't set people expectation's high, that's just asking for them to be disappointed.
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>>2486586
Starting everything off by saying "lel it's literally shit" is setting them up for disappointment too.
Jesus Christ people, just let them watch it and decide if it's worth it themselves. If they think it's shit they'll drop it anyway with no effort required on your part.
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>>2486589
>Don't be honest!
It's shit. Shit that can be enjoyed with the right mindset, and produces some pretty solid fan content.

They asked how much yuri was in it because that is all they were watching it for. The appropriate response is not "It's worth a watch regardless!" because it isn't, it's bad in nearly every way and also has very little yuri content.

What it has are some nice character designs, a lot of female characters to ship, an interesting setting and an active, yuri-heavy fanbase.
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>>2486596
The appropriate response is to tell them how much yuri there is and let them form their own opinions about the show.
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>>2486597
You do that, and I'll be honest and tell them there's almost none and it's bad so that they can make a more informed decision.
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>>2486605
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>>2486520
It really isn't that gay unless you have some good yuri goggles. Maybe it will get more gay in the future, but as of now not a lot of explicit yuri to go on.

It might be worth watching anyways, though if you are looking for something light and action/adventure with lots of female leads. It's not a complex story by any means, but it is entertaining and not all that long.
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>>2485719
yeah, I think Weiss and Yang are sort of healthy for each other at the moment, and the development between the two is really nice; especially Weiss being willing to open up like that

I'm honestly wondering if they're just pushing FB since they've been relatively unexplored or if something actually might be developing; it'd be a nice resolution imo
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>>2486929
It's still surreal that Yang and Weiss were the first to reunite and get a ton on interaction

The whole "standing and talking" the animators and writers like to do may be fustrating, but the decision to take the extra mile for these two is so surprising that it feels suspicious
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>>2487117
Don't tempt me.
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>>2487117
>it feels suspicious
It feels like you're grasping at a rare bit of endearing writing between the primary cast.
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>>2487254
This.
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>>2487322
Hope for what?
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>>2487322
The tension building up to their reunion is getting unbearable. At least we're starting to get some release after Weiss talked with Yang.
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>>2487322
I mean, if this weren't a mediocre series, I would have my money on a Blake and Yang romance because of the cinematic parallels between Yang learning to forgive Blake this last episode, and Ilia doing the reverse and being spiteful. While also incorporating Yang looking longingly at a photo, and Ilia admitting her feelings for Blake.

But this is RWBY, so it more than likely was just random because they planned to have some Yang this episode, and some Ilia. It's possible but not enough that I want to bet on it.
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>>2487254
So, like every other ship in the show then. Let people have their hopes, yo.
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>>2487333
I mean, I get having super little faith in RT, but all the same animation is a very deliberate medium.
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>>2487333
>Ilia doing the reverse and being spiteful
Not sure how this is "the reverse". Ilia's action aren't driven by her jealousy of Adam or her anger at Blake for not supporting her cause. She's devoted to White Fang and Blake's family just happens to stand in her way. This isn't spite, at least not specifically towards Blake and her parents. Her anger is directed at humans and those who support them, and coincidentally Belladonnas fit that description.
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>>2487351
I think it's a bit of both. She supports the White Fang, but there have been a few moments in which she displays a degree of hesitation or doubt about the methods being employed by them. I think there is a part of her that wants to hear out Blake, but it is that spite that causes her to push her and her reasoning away. Ilia isn't a fanatic. She could be convinced to the reformed White Fang, but her sour relationship with Blake is blinding her. I'm confident that once she realizes that Adam is hurting people just to get back at Blake that she'll try to undo the damage she helped cause. Sadly, I'm also pretty confident that it will result in her demise at Adam's hands.
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>>2487354
She kicked several people's teeth out for laughing at her parents' death. She's not that far from an average WF member. And even Adam's been shown to have some plans that go outside of "I wanna bully the cat".
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>>2487254
Like all the moments between Yang and Blake, right?

I've been readying myself for failure, so might as well enjoy this few months
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>>2487364
She is attacking her fellow faunus in the middle of the largest faunus community. She's with the idea of attacking humans, but that's not what she's doing right now and that's where I think her hesitation is coming from. Especially since she is helping to murder the family of someone she once loved (and still probably does to a lesser extent). If she were to hear out Blake she would probably drop out of the White Fang as I very much doubt she is okay with being the pawn of a man so petty that he would put his fellow WF at risk just to get back at a girl that wasn't interested in dating him anymore. She's not a psycho lesbian version of Adam. She clearly has doubts about what her and the WF are doing. The problem is that she can only see Blake in a negative light right now which is preventing her from acting upon her hesitations.
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>>2487368
>he would put his fellow WF at risk just to get back at a girl that wasn't interested in dating him anymore
But this isn't what he's doing. He has an agenda that doesn't involve Blake.
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>>2487369
Yeah okay Adam
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>>2487351
It's hypocrisy is what it is.
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>>2487351
I mean, she notes that one of the reasons that she is angry at Blake in the heat of the moment is because she loved Adam instead of her. So, in my view part of her acting antagonistic to Blake and threatening to ship her off to Adam has to do with spite. That is what I had meant, but alright.
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>>2487342
People can hope for whatever they like but some things cross into the realms of delusion or hysteria, these things must be raised as to maintain a healthy mind.

>>2487367
Now when did I bring up Blake and Yang?
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>>2487393
Just speaking from past experiences. It's just that FB was such a nice surprise that I can't help but dream, made worse by the fact that the animators can't do actions scenes. So the only thing that truly hypes me for this series is the character interactions
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>>2487408
>that the animators can't do actions scenes
Which is so bizarre this volume since they had no problem with it last volume.
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>>2487419
>weiss with either jaune
Not a chance after volume 2.
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>>2487419
How can they fuck up so badly when 90% of their fan base wants yuri and has wanted it from before the first episode?
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>>2487419
>really, who even thinks there's going to be proper romance outside of black sun at the end of the day?
What are you doing on this board? Like seriously what are you doing here? Black sun's not happening and you trying to act like it's a sure thing is down right hilarious and borders on the stupidity that is abundant with /co/. Why not go there since you would fit right in.

Christ every fucking thread someone acts as if it's happening and I wanna strangle the life out of them for being so blind. It'll be Korra all over again by the end of the series.
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>>2487427
I wouldn't worry too much over such anons. Weiss and Yang have been nonstop cute together since they've had their reunion. Yang's reactions to Blake leaving are clearly building to something big. We also got our first openly gay girl. The Sun-Blake subplot still hasn't gotten a serious romantic focus since its introduction. Ren-Nora was obvious from the beginning and Jaune's storyline is obviously focused on Pyrrha. Everything else (shipping wise) is coming up yuri.

No guarantees for a happy ending of course, but I seriously doubt RT would dedicate so much time and effort to build up Yang's feelings for Blake just to end with them being pals without going further into Yang's feelings or Blake going 'lol im srt' and ending it there or just to have one gay character in the entire series. Especially as that character is an antagonist of questionable morals and RT is well aware of the unfortunate implications that would carry if they stopped at just her.
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>>2487432
Depends on whether RT goes for a swerve and have Yang move on to Weiss. I get that Yang does have feelings for Blake, made obvious with this week's episode, but having a second flame would be an equally interesting angle
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>>2487433
This.
I was always in the camp that I'd be happy if it was at least addressed that Yang has feelings for Blake.
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Blake is Belle, Adam is the Beast.

There is no hope for /u/.
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>>2487482
>implying Adam isn't Gaston
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>>2487482
>Black the Beast descends from shadows
>Yellow Beauty burns gold

There's no hope for /co/
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>>2487487
Seriously if they do actually go through with it it'll seem like the most obvious thing in the world in hindsight.

We're just not used to anyone going through with anything.
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>>2487499
Honestly after >>2487322 and Yang's breakdown last episode I've seen hard-line anti BB people on both Reddit an /co/ saying they give up and have just accepted BB as inevitable whether they like it or not..
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>>2487487
>loves books
>quiet
>out of place in her surroundings

>rose thematic
>bull horns
Blake is pretty obviously not the beast. Jeff writes whatever the fuck he wants, how do people still not realize that?
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>>2487545
co is the other way.

But I'm for freezerburn.
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>>2487487
>putting any kind of trust in songs
>after BMBLB
>after RT themselves admitted songs are not a faithful representation of canon and some of them were used just because they sounded cool
Anon, please.
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>>2487572
So this includes LMFN?
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>>2487575
It includes whatever to make anon's point work since they're shitposting.
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>>2487575
It includes every song not directly supported by canon events.
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>>2487503
At this point especially its pretty much an inevitability. RWBY has already established romantic pairings (Arkos and pretty much Renora) and now RT has crossed the gay threshold whether people approve of Illia's reveal or not (and a possible transgender character as RT has never confirmed or denied the First Mate). A canon, gay relationship between main characters is really the next logical step that I'm sure they'll take and given Bumbleby's significant popularity...yeah.

Does my bee heart good at least.
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>>2487572
This.

>>2487587
>s-someone pointed out an obvious thing I don't like! They must be shitpsoting!
Can you fuck off back to your tumblr safespace now?
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>>2487725
>bullying Yang
>when she just tries to help you get the girl
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>>2487725
>anon arguing that Adam is gonna win the Blake bowl.
>not shitposting
Anon, this is a retarded opinion even by /co/ standards.
What is baitposting?
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>>2487729
I said that songs aren't canon, you dingus. I never even mentioned Adam anywhere.
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>>2487729
You are so dumb it fucking hurts.
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>>2487735
Do you not pay attention to the whole conversation when you're replying to it?
That anon was calling the original post in the reply chain >>2487482 shitposting.
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>>2487737
>brings up shitposting in a reply to a post that has nothing to do with the original post
>expects others to follow this twisted logic
Are you alright?
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Why is /co/ leaking?
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>>2487743
Because relationship development happened along with Illia confirming the waterfall in her pants for Blake.
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>>2487743
>>>/co/97294023
They've moved on from the denial stage and moved on to the bargaining and anger stage.
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>>2485463
Me too, nee-san. It's been a hard road after S1 but I won't abandon it; not now, not ever.
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>>2487801
You don't need to crosslink. Everyone on the board should know how terrible and pedantic they get. LoK's finale was an eyeopener in more ways than one.
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>>2487607
honestly, I hope they go FB just to be unpredictable (weiss and yang have been really cute this volume, probably speaks as to how little they've properly interacted), but the bees would be cathartic

it would also be nice to see yang win the bellabootybowl
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>>2487740
This.

>>2487814
Having never even been to /co/ before RWBY v2, I can honestly say most of the /co/ crossposters are a great deal less obnoxious than some of the """/u/""" people who frequent these threads and respond to anyone disagreeing with them by whining about /co/ boogeymen.
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>>2487943
Or, just hear me out on this one, Bee's Schnees. Boom, we all win.
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>>2483303
bumblebee isn't gonna happen
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>>2488033
I like the way you think, anon
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>>2488059
you are right
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>>2488059
Okay Delphi. Are you gonna win the lottery as well?
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>>2488059
Someone's mad neither half of their OTP has lamented not being able to be there for the other in their time of need and then openly cried that they need them too

>>2488033
>>2488060
implying Yang's storyline isn't all about making pollination happen one girl at a time
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>>2488096
Pretty sure her storyline is about utterly failing to learn from past mistakes.
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All right, /u/, I've watched the first 12 episodes of this show.
There is no yuri at all, and the quality of this show is atrocious. Most SFM films have better production values than this show.
The only slight redeeming quality so far have been the fights, but even they were mediocre at best.

Ruby is cute, Weiss is a cunt, Blake is hot and Yang is all right. Jaun is a bellend, Nora is meh, Pyrrha has the worst taste in the world and Ren is boring.

Glynda is great though. I want her to spank all the girls with her riding crop.
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>>2488265
The show gets better. I know that's a cliche excuse, but it's true for the most part. Though the quaility in this volume and the last has really varied. An episode is either extremely good or very bad. Not the awkward in between of past volumes. I couldn't tell you which is better. That said, if all you want is yuri then I would wait it out and check back here at the end of January (February?) for the last episode to see if the yuri situation has improved at all. Right now two of the main girls are getting set up for some big time emotions when they next see each other. It appears to be a very gay moment from at least one, but that's no guarantee of success. Ruby is asexual which means she can be as gay as you want her to be and Weiss has bigger shit to deal with than romance at the moment.

Just this last episode we got our first named lesbian/bisexual character, but she's a bad guy and even if she is somehow redeemed after trying to help murder Blake's parents there is no way Blake is ever going to return her feelings.
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>>2488282
It doesn't get that much better, desu.
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>>2488292
Eh, I think the problem now is consistency. RT has shown that they can produce some legit good shit with RWBY, but it varies way too much. We get one scene that's awesome and largely without flaws, and then the rest of the episode is meh at best. The same with fight scenes. Fights are either great or trash. All that said, the pacing has been awful since volume 1. Volume 3 had the best pacing, but then it was followed by the volume with the worst pacing yet.

So as long as you set your expectations to acknowledge that RWBY is a bunch of amateurs learning how to make a proper show after years of using a video game as the base of their first big hit then RWBY comes off a lot better than what it actually is. IMHO watching the four main actresses improve is half the fun of watching their characters.
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>>2488282
>The show gets better.
It can hardly get worse. But the episodes are short so I guess I'll keep watching.
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>>2488300
It isn't a bunch of amateurs though. RT is a fully functioning company with corporate backing that has been making 3DCG animation for almost 15 years. Everyone on their animation team is a paid employee, a professional. Even now the main for VAs are pretty awful. Ruby still sounds like an adults impression of a retarded 12 year old, Yang is just Barbara speaking normally and Weiss and Blake are extremely mediocre and almost exactly as they were in V1. Weiss' crying in V4 alone should be proof of how little they have progressed.

There are very, very few scenes that are "awesome and largely without flaws".

If anything RWBY comes off worse when you consider what it actually is, because single, actual amateur animators and VAs are able to do so much better than a crew with dozens of people backed by a well established and affluent company, whose job it is to do this shit. It's embarrassing.
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Eh, I find the show enjoyable - flaws and all.
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>>2488341
I enjoy it too, but it's awful.
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>>2488318
Barbs has gotten better though getting into Yang's character.
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Well, I'm not a fan but I'm interested in certain aspects.

Why did the Yuri interest start from something that did not give much feedback?
Were they promises that were not fulfilled or were there never any commitments in the first place?
Is there Fanon that is better than the Canon?
Who is the true culprit?

I ask that because I do not trust TVtropes for some information.
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>>2488318
The funny thing is you go back and watch V1 and Lindsay's voice for Ruby is a thousand times more tolerable.

I don't know why she decided to switch to that high-pitched whine she's used subsequently, but I wish she'd not.
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>>2488355
>Why did the Yuri interest start from something that did not give much feedback?
RWBY was originally teased with a series of music videos showing off its main quartet, released in order. Ruby's and Weiss' were purely spectacles, while Blake's and Yang's introduced (Poorly integrated) voice acting and bare-minimum story. Fanart response was immediate, and since it was originally just one girl, and then another, then two more later, early fanartists just sort of paired them up, and it drew people in.

>Were they promises that were not fulfilled or were there never any commitments in the first place?
They did mention wanting to include LGBT characters in the show, but up until Ilia all we had were some background couples in passing. And of course they never said if any of the leads would fall under this purview. In short, no, no real promises were made.

>Is there Fanon that is better than the Canon?
Not sure what you're asking about really.

>Who is the true culprit?
Definitely the fans, as my initial explanation should indicate.
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>>2488355
>Why did the Yuri interest start from something that did not give much feedback?
All main characters are female and RT in general is notoriously pro-LGBT. Popularity breeds popularity which I reckon is mostly why we're here now.
>Were they promises that were not fulfilled or were there never any commitments in the first place?
RT repeatedly said that there will be LGBT characters, which they delivered. That's it.
>Is there Fanon that is better than the Canon?
As is the case with most non-tiny fandoms, yes.
>Who is the true culprit?
The butler, in the library, with a candlestick.
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>>2488355
>Why did the Yuri interest start from something that did not give much feedback?
Shipping started when the White trailer came out and people started shipping Ruby with Weiss before they even had names, same with Blake and Yang.
>Were they promises that were not fulfilled or were there never any commitments in the first place?
Yes and no. They never specifically said that there would be lesbians, but they have mentioned having LGBT characters before.
>Is there Fanon that is better than the Canon?
Yes, most of it.
>Who is the true culprit?
For what, the yuri? Mostly the fans, but you could argue that Monty and Barbara played their parts.
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>>2488355 This is going to take a bit of reading, other sisters are free to correct me if I'm mistaken in some parts.

Given the main four characters are all girls, the show had a higher chance of /u/ based shipping, even from the start when people were shipping the white and red trailer girls without even fully knowing their personalities.

There was never any commitments or promises for yuri romance when the show began, but given the fan-base that began with the aforementioned reasoning, the company decided they'd try to fulfill at least some of their fans saying "there might be a gay character, we promise".

Fanon is actually pretty good depending on where you look, especially a number of fanfics that rose in the beginning seasons of the show. Sadly, most fanfic content hit it's climax pre-volume 3, since I hear not as much fics had been made or had been discontinued since we reached volume 4. This likely has to do with more open ends on character backstories and in-story lore, leaving a lot of interpretation to the fandom. Now that more of those holes are more directly addressed, less writers are willing to make their own conclusions since they'll likely be proven wrong or something two volumes from now. Though who cares if their headcanons are wrong as long as it's a good read?

As for the 'true culprit', well it's sort of everybody's fault? A number of hardcore fans believing the show is the best, pessimists who look for every flaw to point out, shippers of all varieties fighting to the teeth for their otp, and RT for trying to please everybody? I suppose the only innocents here are people like myself who couldn't really care any more or less at this point and just watch the show because, why not? If this last part seems counter intuitive, consider it a lack of understanding of the question on my part and a lack of sleep.
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>>2488314
The episodes also stop being 5 minutes after volume 1 and this volume the average episode runtime is about 17 minutes.
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>>2488318
>that has been making 3DCG animation for almost 15 years
7 years.
They didn't hire Monty and dive headfirst into the world of CG and mocap until season 7 or 8 of RvB.
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>>2488378
Just because they weren't building it from scratch doesn't make it not 3DCG animation. They had 7-8 seasons of filming content in multiple 3D engines, animating using quite limited rigs and then even more years of using actual rigged animation.

There are scenes in every season that look like they were done in a few hours by someone who just learned the program.
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>>2488378
That's still far too long to consider them amateurs. Much more should be expected of them.
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>>2488379
Well, I'd say the show looks great now. In my opinion at least, Volume 1 is the only one that looks so bad you can play a drinking game for every time you spot a clipping error, and Volume 5 looks great.

They only really started expansive hiring of animators when RWBY started, which you can tell since Vol 1's finale credits are a minute and a half where as Vol 3's finale credits are over 5 minutes.
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>>2488478
Yup, right under the star.
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>>2488481
Wrong, that's holly.
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>>2488536
>Weiss knows this
>lets Ruby kiss her anyway
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>>2485463
>been submerged for, 1 year? 2 years? I don't know, aboard the SSN white rose
>dare not surface for fear of the canon above
>after all these years raise the periscope
>yep still fucked, lets stay down here for another year

It hurts.
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>>2488365

I already understand the problem.
what LGBT characters look like is a hoax to keep people interested in an unclear possibility.
I know that no one forces them to put Yuri is depressing, I was curious about all this, but I prefer to invest my time in something better.
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>>2488819
I mean, I suppose it's your choice and all the more power to you, but if all you're looking in a show is actual canon yuri, you have some slim pickings when it comes to decent plot, unforced romance, or if you're like me, an unsatisfying lack of action or fighting scenes.
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>>2488929
>decent plot, unforced romance, or if you're like me, an unsatisfying lack of action or fighting scenes.
But RWBY doesn't have a decent plot or unforced romance, and it's had fewer and fewer fight scenes with each volume past 2.
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>>2488929
>>2488940
So this is not different from Tohou where people cheerfully ignore the official material and pretend that a community fanfic is the real story?

That's sad, nice fanart does not fix that kind of thing, but if people are happy with their partners and invented stories, I can not complain, but it's depressing that it's not the real story that matters to the fans.

It makes me wonder if Tommy Wiseau thinks that people liked The Room because it was a good movie without any irony.
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>>2488945
>it's depressing that it's not the real story that matters to the fans.
Oh it matters, why do you think fan content is made in the first place? Protip: it ain't because the story doesn't matter to them.
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>>2488940
Well, I wasn't talking about RWBY, more of yuri anime in general. Sorry if I wasn't making that clear.
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>>2488945
It is very much like Touhou if you are smart about it. The people who are concerned with the real story are also the ones who continuously fool themselves into thinking yuri is around the corner and then freak out when the yuri continues to not be there or het is involved instead.

The fan content is good. Better than the source in a lot of cases, and the show sets itself up for this approach by continually throwing more characters into the mix when it hasn't even really given development to even the main four. You have a massive cast of characters with general traits (tsundere, arrogant, sadistic, smug, rowdy, lolsorandom, etc) and interesting designs, with little story or characterization to them. Pretty much touhou that takes its own story too seriously.

>>2488949
>Protip: it ain't because the story doesn't matter to them.
I mean, it absolutely is. That's why Ruby x Weiss art was being made when people knew literally shit all about the characters, and BB was the second most popular pairing despite them only saying a couple words to each other in the entirety of V1.

Most fan content doesn't involve the story (e.g. >>2488527 >>2488387 >>2488386 >>2488385 where characters are just reduced to core traits or archetypes, or any two characters could be put in the same situation)

I don't think any WR shippers really care about Weiss wanting to hang out with Nep and finding Ruby really annoying, or Ruby being completely uninterested in romance at all.
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>>2488958
I know what you mean friend. I was being a smart-ass, because while yuri anime frequently has those problems, RWBY also has those exact problems.
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>>2489220
>reduced to their core traits

Coincidentally, this is what happened on the show.
>Ruby reverts to being an annoying dumbass who acts like a kid
>Weiss reverts to just being irritable with her and treating her like a kid
>any development they've had just disappears
>no change in their dynamic at all, despite long separation and both of them going through serious, life changing events
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>>2489229
Maybe that's the point? They've gone through all this miserable shit, so after being reunited, they revert to behaving like that around each other because it's comfortable. Because it reminds them of simpler times and makes them happy.

Or maybe I'm giving the writers far, far too much credit.
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>>2489229>>2489229
>Coincidentally, this is what happened on the show.
>any development they've had just disappears
Did you not watch ep 8?
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Not that anon, but

>>2489235
They never stopped being those things. Weiss is the only one who has even remotely changed, and the change was just that she's less mean to people.

>>2489238
Replace "Blake" with "Raven" and that whole conversation could have easily taken place in volume 1. There's so little development in this show.
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>>2489286
>Replace "Blake" with "Raven" and that whole conversation could have easily taken place in volume 1. There's so little development in this show.
Yang told Weiss how she had to essentially be a mom at a very young age and take care of Ruby, and Weiss opened up about her shitty home life. That's a big difference.
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>>2489287
You mean the exact same conversation that Yang had with Blake in V2, and the exact same thing Weiss did in V1 with Blake? Wow, such development.
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>>2489288
>conversation that Yang had with Blake in V2
No, that was kid Yang going off on an adventure like a dumbass, not how she was left ALONE by half the people in her life and how deeply it's affected her.

>Weiss did in V1 with Blake
That was an explanation of Weiss's bigotry against the faunus due to the actions of the White Fang, but we only got a hint at Weiss's relationship with her father. Only in vol 3 and even more in 4 did we learn precisely how controlling Jacques was, and in vol 5 we learn the dynamic between her parents that essentially split their family apart, leading to Weiss developing the personality we saw at the beginning of the show.

Yang's conversation with Blake doesn't come anywhere close to that level of vulnerability we saw in vol 5 with Weiss and Yang, and the only reason Yang opened up is because she was still raw from Blake's abandonment. There are parallels to the vol 2 conversation, but it's a much more telling for Weiss and Yang since neither of them have gone that deep into their own backstories yet

They're becoming closer friends by bonding over shared experiences, and much more deeply than they have ever before. That's pretty significant, and shows how much they trust one another as teammates and friends, where as before we didn't really get to see any of that.
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>>2489295
>not how she was left ALONE by half the people in her life and how deeply it's affected her.

First:
>half the people in her life
You mean 1 person? She didn't know Raven, her father was right there but out of it for a while, and her sister and Uncle have always been there.

Second:
>One day she left for a mission and never came back. It was tough. Ruby was really torn up, but I think she was still too young to really get what was going on. My dad just kinda shut down. Summer wasn't the first love he'd lost, she was the second. The first was my mom.

It is a conversation EXACTLY about how Summer died, Raven left, and her father shut down for a while. lol.

It isn't about Weiss' conversation about her father. It's about Weiss "becoming closer friends by bonding over shared experiences" because it isn't at all "much more deeply than they have ever before". V1 was Weiss opening up and talking about how her life was shitty, and figuring out that she should be nice to people and help them. Seeing Weiss open up and talk about how her life was shitty, and be nice to people and help them in Volume fucking 5 is not good development. There is no difference at all between V2E1 Weiss and V5E8 Weiss besides that she can summon. Leaving home to find her own path is exactly what she did in V1. Opening up to teammates and figuring out how to trust people is exactly what she did in V1.

Yang had zero problem opening up when she was not "raw" at all in V2 when she told Blake about how she almost killed herself and her little sister AND also told her about the entire "abandonment" shit. Seeing her do it again with someone else isn't a sign of developement, it's a sign that she still will open up to people and talk about that.

It's not significant at all. You could cut out V2, V3, and V4 and the only difference between where the team was at V1E16 and where they are now is that Yang is angry at Blake. When they meet back up, that will go away too.
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>>2489296
>It is a conversation EXACTLY about how Summer died, Raven left, and her father shut down for a while.
During that conversation with Blake Yang never talks about how she had to do EVERYTHING by herself. It's implied, but never outright stated. Losing Summer, Tai fucking off to bury himself in work, having to care for Ruby when she herself was just a kid, then later on learning that Summer wasn't even her real mother, who essentially dumped her, that's heavy shit for a kid to go through. Her conversation with Blake was about taking it one step at a time and not shutting others out. Her conversation with Weiss was essentially a rant at how she felt abandoned by the people in her life who were supposed to care for her, and take care of her. Like Blake was supposed to do, but instead abandoned her too. The subjects of the conversation are completely different, even if they happen to have the same people in them.

As for Weiss, if she had resolved to forge her own path away from her father before vol 1 started, she would have had the strength to oppose him at the end of vol 3 and stayed in Vale rather than traveling back to Atlas. She wanted to grow out from under his influence, but for the sake of her grandfather's company. In vol 2 she learns that, as a huntress, her own desires come after other peoples'. And in vol 4 she finally musters the courage to leave her father. The knight summon is proof of that, since now she's pushed past the Weiss who was scared to be anything but what her father wanted her to be. Cutting out all that happened in vol 2-4 is stupid, because you miss so much that has changed the characters and why they've done the things they've done to get to where they are now.

I'm not saying RWBY has impeccable writing, it doesn't, but the characters HAVE changed over the course of the series, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
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>>2489303
Does it matter? The point is that from Day 1 Yang had zero problems opening up and talking about problems she had as a child. Whether she's talking about what happened with Summer/Raven/Ruby/Tai to point out that she did soemthing dumb, or talking about what happend with Summer/Raven/Ruby/Tai to point out that it happened, she is still just talking about those events with a teammate.

Weiss went back with Jacques because she had no other place to go. You know that the white trailer was what she had to do to leave right? She put her actual life at risk to take her own path. Let's not pretend her deciding to stow away to take her own path is character development. It sure as hell took less courage to sneak out of her house and pay off a pilot to let her relax in a cargo ship than it did to face down a Grimm trying to beat her body into tiny bits with a giant sword.

>Cutting out all that happened in vol 2-4 is stupid, because you miss so much that has changed the characters and why they've done the things they've done to get to where they are now.
Maybe if anything noteworthy had happened to change the characters.

You could have had Weiss overhear the conversation in Burning the Candle, ask Yang about it, and they could have had the exact conversation they had in V5, because nothing that happens in that conversation or between those points does much for the characters. Weiss is no more open when talking about her mom than she was when talking about how her family and friends were being killed by the white fang. Yang is no more open than she has been the entire show.
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>>2489303
>the characters HAVE changed over the course of the series, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

>V1 Ruby: An annoying kid who sees the world through naive eyes, believes in heroes beating evil, and not much beyond that.
>V5 Ruby: An annoying kid who sees the world through naive eyes, believes in heroes beating evil, and silver eye powers.

>V2E1 Weiss is a perfectionist who left home determined to make the world a better place and redeem her family name, who comes across cold at first but really cares about her teammates and wants to spend time with them.
>V5 Weiss is a perfectionist who left home determined to make the world a better place, and redeem her family name, who comes across cold at first but really cares about her teammates and wants to spend time with them.

>V1 Blake is a realist with a sense of justice who sees the bad things in the world and wants to make them better, who thinks that unprovoked violence is a bad thing and that the white fang has good intentions but is going about things in the wrong way, and who will put up a fight, even against the Fang if it means doing the right thing.
>V5 Blake is a realist with a sense of justice who sees the bad things in the world and wants to make them better, who thinks that unprovoked violence is a bad thing and that the white fang has good intentions but is going about things in the wrong way, and who will put up a fight, even against the Fang if it means doing the right thing.

>V1/2 Yang is a hot-headed girl who attacks strangers for annoying her, and charges into fights without thinking about the potential consequences or how strong her opponents might be.Looks out for her sister and shares her past with teammates.
>V5 Yang is a hot-headed girl who attacks strangers for annoying her, and charges into fights without thinking about the potential consequences or how strong her opponents might be, looks out for her sister and shares her past with teammates.
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>>2489315
Don't be inane. Of course the characters have unchanged traits because they are still the same people. It's been a year and a half, so do you actually expect every last one of them to have done a full 180?
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>>2489330
Yang's talk with her dad last volume really should've led to her fighting more cautiously.
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>>2489334
They did make her dodge more in the bandit fight.
She's still Yang, though, which is why she got into the fight in the first place.
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>>2489330
I expect them to be any different than they were at the start of V2. Which they aren't. I expect the things that have happened to have some effect on the characters.

I expect them not to remove Weiss to someplace else for an entire Volume about her inner struggle, and then reintroduce her but now "she REALLY wants to fix her family name, because like, she wasn't actually determined before even though she risked her life to go to Beacon!"

I expect the main character of the entire show to actually get any development ever at some point, especially after 5 volumes and watching two friends die. At this point Ruby is just actually autistic.

Blake is the only acceptable one, and she has not changed from how she was at the end of V1 at all. It's just that her story at least makes sense for having no internal development.

>>2489337
That is retarded. How does someone have an arm get cut off because they ran headfirst into a fight with an unknown opponent, and then a few months later just confidently assumes they can win a fight against multiple unknown opponents? Yang has lost nearly every 1v1 fight she's had against a non-trivial opponent. Her semblance is the only reason she's won the couple she did win. She had flashbacks from a glass breaking, and is clearly haunted by what happened, and then she and her dad laughed about a joke and now she doesn't hesitate at all to assume she's going to win a fight against a bunch of criminals whose job it is to fight and kill other people?
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>>2489635
Blake enrolled to Beacon because she had no idea what she was doing. She had this vague ideal of making things right, but when she realized that Adam and the White Fang were a bunch of loonies, she was lost which Oobleck spelled out for her. Now, after coming back to Menagerie, she has resolved that she needs to reclaim the White Fang which she's currently doing.
Similarly, Weiss was still mooching off her father's bank account and post-Fall went back home when he told her to. Post-Atlas Weiss would stand up and tell Jacques to go fuck himself if he showed up to ferry her back again.
Ruby hasn't had too much attention, but she's obviously haunted by what happened to Pyrrha and Penny and she's been bottling it up.
Yang is, as you said, clearly affected by her maiming and by her own words will likely never be "over" it. She's still dealing with the aftermath and she's obviously not over Blake ditching her again, and her fighting style has become more cautious as a result of not using her Semblance as a crutch.

Of course the characters still look and act mostly the same. That's who they are. Yang is still hotheaded, Ruby is still an optimist at heart, Weiss is still snarky and Blake is still the worst girl.
It's stupid to point at the similarities and scream that nothing has changed.
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>>2489669
I might get eye rolls for this opinion but despite Ruby not actually talking too much about the shit that's happened or how it affected her other than that talk with Oscar, I actually really like the focus on Ruby's body language showing or at the very least hinting that her cheery demeanor is basically just a facade at this point designed to encourage everyone else.
>inb4 implying the writers are that deep.
Whether they meant to or not I still like it.
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>>2489669
Was her semblance ever really a crutch? It was more like the next stage of how she fights, not something she would flash on and off to survive a hit. The notion that it's a crutch seems more like something they're trying to tell the audience what fits despite all shown evidence indicating otherwise.
>>2489682
I agree with you on that front, along with the slightly tremors they tried to show Yang having.
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>>2489669
Blake enrolled at Beacon because she'd given up on the WF and wanted to become a huntress and make the world a better place, just because she doesn't know how doesn't mean she's changed. She still doesn't know how, she's taking it one step at a time. She spent the end of V1 trying to fix the problems of the White Fang. She spent V2 trying to fix the problems of the White Fang, and she's going to spend V4, V5, and V6 trying to fix the problems of the White Fang. She was never lost, as soon as she saw it was the WF doing things in V1 she decided to go stop them.

Weiss went back home because she had no place else to go to and Beacon had just fallen. She is not more determined now. I don't understand how you don't get that. To leave the first time she had to nearly die in combat. To leave the second time she just decided she wanted to leave and got on a plane. Not having her father's money isn't development. Oh wow, she can't pay for everyone's dinner anymore. What character progression.

There is nothing to suggest Ruby is bottling anything up, and even when hearing Pyrrha's voice she had very little reaction. She remains the exact same naive, hopeful, silly little girl she was in V1E1.

Yang clearly ISN'T affected by her maiming or she wouldn't have no fucking problem jumping at the chance to fight strangers. Don't be an idiot, her fighting style is fucking identical to exactly how it was in the yellow trailer--you know, that fight where she initially went defensive against the twins and then Melanie, waited for an opening and then attacked? She hasn't learned shit, and she has not changed at all. If Vernal had been with the group of bandits to ambush her, she would be dead right now.

The only changes the characters have gone through are shallow ones, clothing, abilities, "I'm made at Blake but an episode or two after we meet up again it will be like nothing even happened".
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>>2489689
It's a crutch. She struggles to actually fight people, gets her ass kicked, turns on her semblance and then wins through brute force. Which is exactly why she was completely shut down by both Neo and Adam, because she was unable to just bull rush them.
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>>2489689
Nah, I don't think there was a single fight Yang ever won without using her semblance before the fight against the bandits.
Maybe the RWBY vs. ABRN fight at the beginning of Vol 3?
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>>2489689
She relied on it too much.
Previously, she was perfectly fine just waltzing into fights with mooks and other irrelevant people. Getting hit didn't matter because she could deal with it and it just made her more powerful.
Now that she tried that tactic against people who are actually dangerous, she got her shit pushed in because the additional brute force just wasn't enough to carry her.
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>>2489691
>She was never lost
She was. It was very obvious when Oobleck questioned her. She still doesn't have all the answers, but post-V4 she now has direction again.
>She is not more determined now. I don't understand how you don't get that.
How many character songs do you need about it to have it spelled out?
Pre-V1, she left on her father's terms because he allowed her to. In V4, she left because in spite of her father's terms.
>There is nothing to suggest Ruby is bottling anything up, and even when hearing Pyrrha's voice she had very little reaction
I think you should try watching the show.
>Yang clearly ISN'T affected by her maiming or she wouldn't have no fucking problem jumping at the chance to fight strangers.
Yang was, is, and will be hotheaded. She knows that she's one of the more powerful hunters out there, and she knows that she can deal with riffraff.
She is going to solve things with her fists because that's who she is. How she does that has changed, and she is now more disciplined even in fights where she knows she's strongly favored.
>I'm made at Blake but an episode or two after we meet up again it will be like nothing even happened!
Hmmm, this sounds very much like volume 1 to me.
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>>2489693
>She struggles to actually fight people
If I cared more, I'd argue this more in-depth because it's absolutely ridiculous considering everything we've seen of her. Let's also not forget that part of Yang's sembalance involves enduring punishment to return it twofold. She can't exactly return any punishment if she can't effectively delivered it after being punished.
>bull rush Neo and Adam
She bull rushed only one(1) of them and that's Adam, who has a similar sembalance to her own. Neo was more agile compared to Yang's not as agile style coupled with her inexperience led to Neo winning.
>>2489695
Maybe that fight. I suppose it would depend on how one parses the larger fights she's in and what you include. In the yellow trailer she didn't use it until the actual Junior segment of the fight.
>>2489698
That's kind of silly to think that she relies on it too much considering everyone relies on their sembalance in that world cause everyone incorporates their sembalance into their fighting style. I guess Raven might be the one exception if portals are the only thing her sembalance does. Now I will agree that her inexperience fighting other strong hunters definitely was a flaw and she wasn't able to adapt fast enough.
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>>2489700
>but post-V4 she now has direction again.
It is the exact same direction she had at the end of V1, friend. Stop the bad people in the White Fang.

>How many character songs
>character songs
>the things that are not canon whatsoever, and are contradicted by canon
wew

>Pre-V1, she left on her father's terms because he allowed her to. In V4, she left because in spite of her father's terms.
Pre-V1 she left because she wanted to and in order to do so she had to fight for her life. In V4 she snuck out of her house like a little kid and paid off a pilot.

>I think you should try watching the show.
I have. Maybe you should stop pretending your head-canon is the actual characterization.

>Yang was, is, and will be hotheaded. She knows that she's one of the more powerful hunters out there, and she knows that she can deal with riffraff.
She is going to solve things with her fists because that's who she is. How she does that has changed, and she is now more disciplined even in fights where she knows she's strongly favored.
Source: Your ass. She fights the exact same as she always has. The last two times she tried to fight "riffraff" 1v1 she was only not killed because people stepped in to save her. She fights no more "disciplined" than she ever has, see the Yellow trailer where she was more tactical if anything.

>Hmmm, this sounds very much like volume 1 to me.
I don't see your point. Yes, it is badly written in both V1 and V5.

>>2489705
>I'd argue this more in-depth because it's absolutely ridiculous considering everything we've seen of her.

>loses to the twins until she activates her semblance
>loses to Roman's Paladin until she activates her semblance
>loses to Neo without even landing a hit
>loses to Arslan
>loses to Neon until she activates her semblance
>loses to Merc until she activates her semblance and he throws the match for the plan
>loses to Adam despite activating her semblance

She struggles to actually fight people.
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>>2489705
There's a difference between heavily using and relying.
Pyrrha used her Semblance often and to great effect, but she wasn't content at just that. She was an exceptional fighter even without it, which shows how well she fared against Cinder who wore no metal equipment at all.
If she had been carried by her Semblance alone, she would've been crushed when encountering someone out of her weight class. If Yang had developed a more refined and cautious fighting style, she too would have fared better against opponents she couldn't just overpower instantly.
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>>2489710
>It is the exact same direction she had at the end of V1, friend. Stop the bad people in the White Fang.
Her goal was to "fight injustice" and she was stumped when Oobleck asked "how." Now she has an actual goal and she's actively working towards it.
>the things that are not canon whatsoever
wew indeed
>Pre-V1 she left because she wanted to and in order to do so she had to fight for her life. In V4 she snuck out of her house like a little kid and paid off a pilot.
Don't be obtuse. Her father forced her to fight the Knight, and she was allowed to leave for Beacon on his terms. In V4, she defies his direct order by leaving. Painting it as "sneaking out like a child" is a special type of petty.
>Source: Your ass
Source: the behind-the-scenes interview where the animator explicitly said that they really tried to make her fighting style more cautious.
>I don't see your point.
>V1 had development!
>But a similar arc doesn't count if it happens in V5!
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>>2489710
>I have. Maybe you should stop pretending your head-canon is the actual characterization.
>anything that isn't spoon-fed to the audience is just head-canon
WEW

On any unrelated note, I completely forgot there were hints of semblance when she fought the twins.
Also, i'll give her a pass on getting knocked back by Arslan since Arslan is seemingly the only competent member of ABRN.
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>>2489712
>comparing Pyrrha's sembalance to Yang's
I mean if you want, but sure. Let's compare something with multi-faceted use that is essentially mastering magnetism to a hobbled version of Hulk's anger growth. Which do you think allows for more usage in interesting and unexpected ways that a show could capitalize on? I'll give you a hint, it's Pyrrha's. Yang's sembalance is very up front about what it is. A closer example would be Rubles' speed.

Would you say Rubles relies on her speed sembalance or does she make heavy use of it? Going by the standard that's applied to Yang, Ruby relies on it that it could be a crutch. I guess she best get on removing it from her fighting style because of that reliance. Somehow though I don't think people ever actually consider that.
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>>2489714
It's also worth noting since Jacques genuinely thought beating the knight was impossible which is part of how she got him to agree to it.
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>>2489715
Building on you're unrelated note, Yang shows actual tactical sembalance usage by using it to blast Melanie away to separate them before she bullies Miltia.
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>>2489714
I don't know why you keep trying to bring this back to Oobleck. She fought injustice in V1 by trying to stop the WF from doing shady shit. She fought injustice in V2 by trying to stop the WF from doing shady shit. She is fighting injustice in V5 by trying to stop the WF from doing shady shit.

Her being caught on the spot doesn't change the fact that her goal has not changed in five volumes.

>Painting it as "sneaking out like a child" is a special type of petty.
That's exactly what it is. How are you trying to pretend that she's somehow more determined to leave this time when last time it was far more difficult and the risk was dying instead of making daddy angry?

>Source: the behind-the-scenes interview where the animator explicitly said that they really tried to make her fighting style more cautious.
Then they did a really poor fucking job, because she fights the exact same and isn't any more cautious than she was in her trailer. But sort of irrelevant how she fights when she's still confidently swaggering into fights where she has no idea how strong the opponents are, despite it getting her nearly killed twice.

>But a similar arc doesn't count if it happens in V5!
>Characters returning to the status quo is """"development"""

>>2489715
>implying there is anything to Ruby beyond what is clearly seen.
You can insert whatever you like into her, but V3 barely fazed her. She had that one crying moment with Tai and then went back to "Haha! We're heroes let's go on an adventure and defeat the bad guys!"
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>>2489716
Yang is what happens when someone with a college-level reading actually gets on college.
Previously, to win she didn't have to DO anything. She just activated her Semblance and punched things until they stopped moving.
Now that she's going up against actually dangerous people, being just great at fights is not enough. She has to do more than just use her Semblance because otherwise she is going to die.
Obviously, like everyone with an usable Semblance, she shouldn't ignore it. But she should learn to use it effectively along with her tactics and skills. That's what I was getting at when I brought up Pyrrha; she was an great fighter baseline which meant she was outright amazing in the ring when she paired skill that with her Semblance.
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>>2489721
Alright I'll agree with your sentiment, but I still hold that's inexperience on Yang's part. Not the idea that all she does is turn on her sembalance to win fights when it's used more like a game closer. She's a competent fighter but an inexperienced one when it comes to trained human opponents.
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>>2489720
>Her being caught on the spot doesn't change the fact that her goal has not changed in five volumes.
So now that she had moved on, one could almost say that she's developing.
>How are you trying to pretend that she's somehow more determined to leave this time when last time it was far more difficult and the risk was dying instead of making daddy angry?
Shocking: "making daddy angry" is a big deal for someone who has been living under his heel her entire life in an abusive environment. I don't understand how it is not obvious that Weiss defying her father's direct orders was a defining moment for her character.
>Then they did a really poor fucking job
The trailer fight was an outlier and you know it. All of them were. That doesn't change the fact that she has developed as a fighter.
She also knew that Raven's tribe was nearby. The creep knew who she was, so if she felt like she was in any danger she could've just told them why she's here.
>Characters returning to the status quo is """"development"""
Gee anon, it's almost as if the dynamic between them changed somehow between these occasions. It's almost as if the situation itself is different and involves different characters, too.
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>>2489721
>what happens when someone with a college-level intelligence actually goes to college
Jesus I understand this phenomenon all too well.
Everything up to high-school besides one math class was a fucking cake-walk but now in college I've failed 3 classes so far and am desperately struggling to not fail any more.
Feels bad.
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>>2489727
>So now that she had moved on, one could almost say that she's developing.
If she were developing and had become determined, she would have just fucking told her father she was leaving and that he couldn't stop her. Not slipped away secretly so she didn't have to face him.

>I don't understand how it is not obvious that Weiss defying her father's direct orders was a defining moment for her character
Because she defied his orders to attend Atlas, stay home and be a good girl instead of running off to Beacon, and then when he told her "No" by saying she had to prove herself by fighting a deadly monster, she defied him again and did it? Doing the exact same thing a second time but with far less effort and far lower risks is not a defining moment for a character.

>>2489727
>The trailer fight was an outlier and you know it. All of them were. That doesn't change the fact that she has developed as a fighter.
It does. She also goes on the defensive during parts of the Neo fight. She hasn't developed at all.

>so if she felt like she was in any danger she could've just told them why she's here.
What a stupid line of reasoning. "If I'm really close to dying I'll just yell that I'm Raven's daughter and they'll stop, so it's fine if I run into a fight against complete strangers even though the last time that happened I was nearly killed with a single strike"

>>2489727
>Gee anon, it's almost as if the dynamic between them changed somehow between these occasions. It's almost as if the situation itself is different and involves different characters, too.
Gee, it's almost like the dynamic between them won't change at all BECAUSE it's being reset to the status quo. Oh man, I can't wait for Ruby to do something in V7 where she makes Blake angry, and then four episodes later Blake will forgive her and they'll be close teammates again. What amazing development, I'm so glad the characters are really growing into themselves.
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>>2489731
>she would have just fucking told her father she was leaving and that he couldn't stop her.
What difference does it make? Other than him taking measures to ensure that she will stay put.
>Because she defied his orders to attend Atlas, stay home and be a good girl instead of running off to Beacon
Don't be stupid. Her father explicitly ALLOWED her to leave if she jumped through the hoops he dictated. Are you somehow missing the whole aspect of how she does not want him controlling her? Like with the singing event?
>"Give me a source."
>Here's a source.
>"Nuh uh, doesn't count!"
Grow up. I don't care about your headcanons enough to keep this going.
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>>2489735
>What difference does it make?
The difference is that one shows an actual change, and the other is just her repeating what she's already done. Her father didn't expect her to actually fight a deadly monster. It was his way of saying "No, you can't do that", just like "I think it would make a lot of people happy" was his way of saying "Yes, you have to sing." Are you somehow missing the whole aspect of how he COULDN'T control her in Vale? Hence her leaving in the first place and having to cut off her money in V3 because she wouldn't even take his phone calls?

All she did was leave a second time with a lot less effort. If she had actually faced him down it would have been development. As it is now she's still just a scared little girl whose solution to her father being a dick is to try and go someplace he can't be mean to her instead of making him stop.

>She fights differently!
>Give me a source
>T-the crew says she's different!
>She doesn't though, as clearly displayed in multiple fights, and the fact that she still jumps headfirst into danger without thinking
>N-no! That's headcanon!
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>>2489781
Is the manga gayer than the show?
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>>2489330
Ruby is an entirely static character.
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Eh, considering how last week's episode ended, this one was kind of underwhelming.
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>>2490337
No surprise when the first nine minutes was just Raven and Cinder chatting, and everything else was just build-up for fun in faunus town fights.

It's essentially one of those throw away episodes for build up instead of plot progression, so here's hoping next week will be big.
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>>2490337
It shows that the White Fang will be in Mistral in 2 days, so that means we're finally close to Blake reuniting with Team RWBY.
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I kind of think Blake not being able to get to her mother is a fakeout drama, while something happens for real where Sun and her dad are. Like Sun takes a fatal shot for Blake's dad and finally earns his respect in death. It's just that they've such a big deal out of Blake's dad not liking him, it feels like it's leading somewhere. The show's already played the Sun almost gets fatally wounded and survives card, so I'm not so sure he'll make it out this season.
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>>2490657
>while something happens for real where Sun and her dad are
Considering they just stood around and talked while the fox bros thawed, they're almost certainly going to get shit on.
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>>2490666
The fox brothers weapons are op. And they might still have some hidden tricks. After all, foxes are known trickster types.
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>>2490670
I'm not talking about their skills, I'm talking about the retarded decision for Sun, Blake and Ghira to stand around and talk instead of curbstomping them when they had the chance, which tells me M&K have more planned for them and don't know how to write a fucking believable combat scene to save their fucking lives.
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>>2490672
Something just occurred to me, is it difficult to have characters talking while fighting.
I feel like it's something I've never seen in this show. If it is difficult that explains alot of scenes in this show.
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>>2490696
I wish I could say definitively, but it seems like Talking is a Free Action is used pretty egregiously in anime in general, so it would be used a great deal here too. If only it actually made sense in context, rather than just standing around staring.
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>a bunch of people are bitching about the newest episode.
>I loved it because it confirms that the finale will the the Battle of Haven and they aren't gonna drag this thing out 2 volumes.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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>>2490720
Everyone knew the battle of Haven is going to be the finale. We hate it because NOTHING interesting is happening. It's been slow talking episodes since the end of ep 4, and any action we do get is janky garbage so painful to watch I need an ibuprofen just to get to the credits.
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>>2490724
Nah, you'd be surprised how many people were convinced that a bandit camp battle would be the finale even though it makes no fucking sense for Blake to reunite with everyone in that scenario.
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>>2490726
Those people are fucking retards and I hope you told them so.
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>>2490728
It's not that unreasonable.
I was confused as fuck cause I thought there was going to be a bandit camp battle and had no idea how they would fit bandit camp battle, Belladonna assassination and Battle of Haven into this volume.
That's why I was pleased to see they decided not to have a Bandit Camp battle in exchange for what seems to be building up to a very interesting clusterfuck of a finale.
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>>2490733
>building up to a very interesting clusterfuck of a finale
Man, you are much more optimistic than I am right now. I hope you're right and we get some crazy shit in the next 5 episodes, otherwise I'm just going to go back to crying about Supergirl every week and leave RWBY to be binged end of season like I used to.
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>>2490724
Personally I've found myself enjoying much of the talking and character interactions.

Except Blake's. I just cannot find myself enjoying any scene she's in.
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>>2490745
Same here.
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>>2490745
Weiss and Yang's scenes, the dinner scene, and even Raven's talk with WY, were fine. I loved the interaction we've been getting. It just that this episode felt like it was intentionally hyped up previously (Emerald pulling out her weapons as they approached the camp, and then Ilia's ambush on Blake leading up to the Belladonna assassination attempt) for some action, and we got nothing and then nothing again, making it more of the same but worse. It's tiring.
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>>2490745
Her plotline has been pretty shit until the end of chapter 5 and now that the assassination attempt is kicking in.
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>>2490734
I tend to be optimistic.

I predict/am hoping chapter 10 will be whatever Ozpin has to tell Qrow followed by the conclusion to the Blake assassination attempt.
Hopefully it ends with her getting on the damn boat to Mistral at least by the start of chapter 11.
At which point we have Leo leading everyone into a trap and the battle kicking off being the cliffhanger of chapter 11.
Then we have 3 episodes worth of Blake coming in with Faunus Militia to save the day right when the battle seems lost, playing relic/maiden hot potato between Cinder, Qrow, and Raven, and whatever else they feel like putting in there.
At least that's what i'm hoping. All the pieces are in place for it to be just as good as vol 3's finale as long as they don't do something stupid.
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>>2490897
Shame about yesterday's episode

I just want Blake's plot line to resolve and how th Weiss-Yang dynamic goes with Blake back
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>>2490909
I mean, Weiss did say she didn't consider herself as close to Yang as Blake. Of course, that could be retroactively shown as saying as close as Yang /used/ to be to Blake, so we'll see.
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>>2490897
>>2490909
>>2490912
I never realized how popular BB was until this volume when I actually started getting into the fandom, but hot damn is it strong.

So what do you think the fandom reaction would be if they confirmed Freezerburn at the end of the volume? Complete meltdown? Begrudging acceptance? Pure jubilation?
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>>2490918
BB was popular ever since volume one. I got used to it but mostly ignored it since I couldn't "get" it

Still, I'm actually interested in a curveball yuri ship becoming canon
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>>2490918
Didn't Weiss' voice actress shut down any hope of her character being into girls?
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>>2491087
No, and if she had, she's still just a VA.
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If Blake's only romance option was meant to be Sun, then adding Iila's crush on Blake at this point wouldn't make much sense. Not sure if Blake and Yang might like each other as more than friends, but the writers chose to make Yang's semblance and hot-blooded personality parallel Adam, so there's some chance I guess.

As for Weiss, Sun's team was also mentioned as going to Mistral, so they could do more with or conclude Weiss/Neptune. Or now that Pyrra's dead and Jaune's improved, maybe Weiss will finally start to notice him.
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>>2491108
If you have two characters who could be into girls, wouldn't they go with the one whose VA is actually OK with it?
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>>2491087
The only thing to that effect I can ever recall her saying was telling WhiteRose shippers that Weiss was too mean to get with Ruby.

This comment of course predating any kind of character development. If she's said anything more recently, I've never heard tell of it before.
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>>2490918
They are both bland and all it took was a hug for half the people shipping BB to swap over FB. So a tepid reaction, I guess?
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>>2491284
>half the people
See those are called bandwagon jumpers. Either way a larger part of the fandom will say there was no build up, and at this point they'd be right regarding FB, but theirs would be born from hating lesbians. So yeah mild reaction
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>shipped FB since forever
>new content crawling out of the woodwork now
Feels good man.
Feels good.
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If RoosterTeeth made any member of Team RWBY into girls I'd think they'd go with Blake at this point. Besides shock Blake never responded to Ilia's confession. And I doubt they wouldn't have Blake address it at some point. I also doubt they'd possibly confirm Blake's bi or whatever only to then make another member of Team RWBY at least bi in that quick of succession.

The volume 5 finale looks like it will have a giant cast and all kinds of plans intersecting, so I wouldn't expect any real romantic growth this volume anyway. If they do confirm Blake's at least bi by the end of the volume, then next volume could be more of Ilia, Yang, or whoever RT feel like pairing Blake with.
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>>2491284
I think it's more that some people are desperate for something yuri to cling to in this show.

Frankly I don't see the point in caring about canon. All we get is shoehorned het that few care about and a cardboard MC.
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>>2490918
I'm hardcore into BB, but freezerburn is cute af. I'd be more mad if RT chose to go with Blake-Sun over Blake-Yang even though the former has been mostly shit from the beginning. If they did some other Blake ship or if they had her stay out of any romance with all the drama going on, then I wouldn't mind freezerburn if RT kept adding in more depth into it. I'm mostly into BB because of the potential for interesting shit to happen between Blake and Yang with all the parallels being thrown around with Adam, Tai/Raven, etc.
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>>2491340
I've said that from day one. RWBY is bad and every romance so far has been awful. I don't know why anyone would want canon yuri just to see another bad depiction of romance when the majority of content would still be fan-made.
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>>2491450
Everyone pack up and go home. Looks like we're done here.
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>>2491466
Considering 99% of what we do here is non-canon and fan-made; not really.
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>>2491477
That's the main draw of the show, something that awkwardly amateur but embraces the chuuni
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I can't believe this is a professionally produced show.

It has less polygons than a playstation 1 game, worse animations than the world's worst puppet show, the creator obviously has no idea how lighting and shadows work and it doesn't even have any yuri in it.
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>>2493107
This is known. However, it has a place in /u/ because the majority of the fan art is yuri.
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>>2493107
I wouldn't call volumes 1 and 2 professionally produced.
Now that they aren't using ghetto ass software and actually know how to use it the show looks really nice in volume 5.
Can't really deny the no yuri thing though. Although we do have one confirmed Lesbian at this point plus heavy implications for possible future gay.
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>>2493177
>the show looks really nice in volume 5.
Not them, but no it doesn't. It's still quite bad for being produced in maya.
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Yang's tits are super bouncy
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>>2493251
Poser was a weird thing.
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>>2493257
From what I understand it's more that it was a volume 2 issue.
Apparently someone forgot to adjust the "tit bounce" slider during the animation process and they didn't notice it until people watching started commenting on it.

I don't blame them, I didn't notice until I re-watched vol 2 with a friend and they pointed out how insane Yang's boob physics were.
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>>2493218
Are you talking about the animation or the actual aesthetic?
Because I watch RWBY on my TV and the models and environments look great in 1080.
If you're talking about the animation though, then I know what you mean, but hey at least running animations don't look awful like they did in poser.
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>>2483011
I’m looking for good Bumblebee fanfics for inspiration. Give it to me straight, how hosed am I?
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Wow. Yang is such a bitch.

Attacking poor Mercury after he's been beaten and was out of aura.
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>>2493317
>, how hosed am I?
Japanese schoolgirl in a bukkake film/10
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>>2493317
Pretty screwed since one of the best ones out there got deleted by the author and no one seems to have an archive of it.
As for ones that still exist it depends on what you're looking for. Angsty? Fluffy? One shots? Slow burns?
What are you feeling like you need inspiration for?
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>>2493398
Just my luck. Honestly I just wanted to draw things, so anything that isn’t overly angsty or depressive will do.

>>2493322
Have mercy on me, senpai.
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>>2493416
I see, I'm a sucker for the semi-angsty slow burns so that's mostly what I know about.
I'm looking for some good one shots I've read, but in the meantime since it sounds like you want neat imagery to draw, this one chapter from one of my favorites might be good.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/5764615/chapters/13283917
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>>2493416
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10977028/1/Red-Carpet-Romance is good if you don't want anything angsty.
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>>2493416
https://archiveofourown.org/works/973499
Here, this is a good one shot I remember.
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>>2493437
>>2493451
Thanks, some pretty gud mental pictures from these ones.

>>2493440
>135k words
This better be good.
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>>2493506
>This better be good.
Nothing happens except Blake and Yang being extremely gay.
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>>2493508
How do you know that gay girls being gay isn’t my exact definition of good?

This is just supposed to get me some ideas of scenarios to draw Yang kissing girls after all. Doesn’t need to be lesbian Moby Dick for that.
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>>2493294
All of the above, but let's ignore animation for now.

The models and environments are really bad for Maya. It absolutely looks good compared to V1, no disagreement there, but it's still really disappointing from such a powerful program.

The models have next to zero texture, on anything, everything is just smooth flat colors... which would be fine if RT was great with color palettes, but I mean have you seen Yang in V5? As other anon pointed out, RT is really bad at shadows and lighting, which is especially bad in Maya, a program that is very powerful and helpful in that department. (Seriously, go torrent Maya and do a tutorial or two and understand just how good the program's lighting systems are.) The hair is pretty meh and clothing modeling is still awkward in a lot of places.

It's kind of a mess. In part because they're working off the old models but still, not great.
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>>2493506
>some pretty gud mental pictures from these ones
Yeah I was going for that, trying to think of ones with good imagery. Honestly 'Prove me wrong' has a lot of really good scenes in it to draw inspiration from and doesn't really get too angsty until right before they actually become a thing and a few chapters after.
They try tackling the Adam issue like 20 or so chapters in and it's really cringy (which I can't tell if it's good writing or they just really nailed how Adam actually talks in canon), but before that point that whole fic is gold.
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>>2493638
I meant bad writing
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