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>See twitter notifications
>Ctrl + f itou hachi
>Archived
So, Let's start again
Previous thread: >>2593212
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I read in the age gap thread that she released new photos today that no one seems to have gotten. Did anybody manage to save them in time?
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>>2660430
Not me, neesan. Hoping they weren't lost to time, but I guess there's nothing to do but wait.
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I've got a MEGA folder up that I'll be sorting her pictures in for us, but I'm lazy so I haven't actually done that yet. https://mega.nz/#F!6QlhXbwI!MC42DzuKCfjUK1TGK9ID-w

>>2660430
I don't want this to happen again so I have a repost bot now. It seems to work for now, hopefully it doesn't miss anything.
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I found this one, but i'm not sure this is the recent one.
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Have we lost Hachi pics before?
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>>2660750
There are a couple pictures that it's possible we missed the finished versions of because they were quite rough, but other than that no. I guess that made us overconfident.
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>>2660752
Do you think we could possibly convince Hachi to repost it for 5 seconds?
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>>2660756
She isn't very active online, but go for it if you have a way to contact her and know decent Japanese. I'd give whoever can get the picture we missed a big hug.
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>>2660430
I saw some tweets a bunch of hours ago and she was just sperging about a new record in Splatoon. No idea why she deleted them though, they looked like innocent tweets.
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>>2660872
It was just Splatoon stuff she deleted? Lucky.
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>>2660872
It was a secret cypher that you could use to gain access to the site where she streams her molestation dungeon
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>>2660872
I want some Hachi oneeloli Splatoon art
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I saw that doujin in Thai in the previous thread, looks so nice, are the RAWs avaiable anywhere?

>>2660504
Thanks for the link, nee-san.
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>>2661173
I’ve looked and I can’t find RAWS anywhere :(
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>>2661173
>>2661907
That's from エクレアblanche, which is a yuri anthology book. You can find RAWs if you search エクレアblanche zip/rar on google. (Of course you can also just buy a book.)
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Lord forgive me...
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>>2662760
>>2662761
>>2662762
>>2662763
>>2662764
>>2662767
>>2662770
This is great, thanks.
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>>2662759
Someone please uplaod it on Dynasty.
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>>2662858
Could you please learn proper English before trying to shitpost?
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>>2662858
it's fine because hachi self-inserts as the loli
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>>2662973
I see no reason to believe that.
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>>2662983
The loli is literally called Eight-chan
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>>2663001
No?
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>>2662973
>not roleplaying as both the loli and the adult
casuals
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I adore her art...not her...questionable tastes.
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>>2663161
I adore her art, stories, and questionable tastes. She's my goddess.
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>>2662862
just dont read the comments
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>>2663194
On dynasty, that is a given. They are almost as bad as YouTube comments.
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>>2662764
>Master straight up mounts Mel and tribs with her
Is this the only time Hachi has gone this far?
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>>2663340
That entire set is definitely her lewdest of all time. Though she did a great fingering set with Otone and Oneesan recently.
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>>2663340
What's interesting is that what Itou found sexy was Mel crying for it to stop. But hey, she's the goddess.
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>>2663344
That's just typical porn speak. She wanted Master to stop because she felt too good, that kind of thing.
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>>2663344
she'll be fine after treats and cuddles
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>Images deleted

The absolute state of this site
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>>2663447
I wish I didn't have to deal with nu-4chan's shit. /u2/ when?
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>>2663447
I can't even say that we're slowly turning into Dynasty, because at least there those images didn't get deleted.
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>>2663447
>>2663466
>>2663469
Read the rules, newfags.
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>>2663495
If you weren't a newfag you'd know that /ll/ has been silently accepted here for years.
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>>2663495
That's exactly what I want to tell mods who allow westernshit here.
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>>2663495
/u/ and /b/ are some of the only boards that typically ignore the loli rule. The loli rule was only really there to quell shitposting on bigger boards and protect the site against litigation.

Notice how it's always actual newfags accusing others of being newfags
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>>2663447
It's just the same janny that goes around deleting Itou Hachi lewds, nothing new. It's not like anyone gets banned for posting them on /u/, at least I never did, but the jannies will not let them last long.

>>2663495
>>2663506
This nee-san is correct, not only /u/ and /b/ though as it's not just a "loli rule", like she said the rule is made to allow the moderation to have control over the faster boards. It's says that trolls/racism/off-topic/etc is against the rules as well, but /pol/ exists, you will also find /ss/ and the so popular little trap boys in other boards as well.

If you look up the board rules, you will notice that /u/ doesn't have a certain rule that /y/, /h/ and /trash/ share, because enforcing it on Yuri that has so much focus on young schoolgirls is just too much trouble and not worth it. You will not see "loli threads" on /u/, but you will always see Age Gap /ll/ content because it's part of it's culture.
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I don't get it. Why Master is hurting Mel? She said "stop" multiple times.
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>>2663592
Hm? She was not hurting her, it's just the usual hentai speak, Mel was just climaxing. You can see her "Ha"s and "Nhn"s with little hearts.
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>>2663592
She isn't, do you even know the characters or the author? Master and Mel are absolutely enamoured with each other. Master would never do anything to hurt Mel, and Mel would never reject Master's love. Mel was just embarrassed and feeling a lot of pleasure, it's a typical hentai thing.

All memes aside, Itou Hachi is the goddess of pure fluffy true love. Master and Mel is made to be more of that, not anything sinister.
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>>2663592
As already noted by other anons, it's a typical japanese porn/sex trope. It seems really rapey in english but that's not actually how she means it. Mel loves and trusts Master.
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Nobody asked me to but I'll post itou's text tweets from the other day. Maybe something can be gleaned about the shyest goddess.
In order:

幼女ちゃんの抜けた乳歯を飴玉みたいに口のなかでころころころがす頭逝かれたおねえさんのおねロリ
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>>2664509
他人の歯を飴玉みたいになめるって生理的嫌悪がすごい
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>>2664510
あの姉妹は自分たちは姉妹であることに固執しているのが良いよねお前なんか妹じゃないって言ったロールパンナちゃんにちがうもん妹だもんって泣きながらメロンパンナちゃんが言ってしまうところなんて本当に歪さしかないしふたりを繋いでいる唯一の関係を否定されたら一気に崩れていく脆い姉妹なんです
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>>2664511
おねロリだって穏やかな心中みたいなものじゃないかと思ってはいますけどまだよくわからんです
ただ心中って書くと悲しいイメージがあるけれど結局死に向かって生きているのだから「この人と生きよう」と決めた瞬間から穏やかな心中が始まっているのでは?そんなに悲しいものではないかもしれないね
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>>2664514
The automatic translation for this one had me a bit concerned.
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>>2663161
ur...a...faget
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Just when you thought this place couldn't get any worse.
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>>2664562
You have to be a bit more specific about what, exactly, you're crying into your pillow there.
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>>2664519
This is very alarming...
We don't need a second tsukumizu
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>>2664519
It sounds like she was comparing scrounging to suicide, that living at the expense of the generosity of others, maybe like a hikikomori or something, is like choosing a peaceful death.

But google translated that differently:
>I think that it is like a gentle feeling even though it is an apology, but I do not really understand it yet
Just because I have a sad image when writing it, but after all I am living towards death, so it is a mild mind starting from the moment I decided to live with this person? It may not be that sad It is

I don't get it, and at this point I feel that most things people talk about Itou's tweets might be far from what she actually meant.
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>>2664514
>>2664519
>>2664582

Complete mistranslations. The crux there is 心中 (shinjuu), which means "lovers commiting suicide together". (Shinjuu is a common motif for example in the works of Chikamatsu Monzaemon, a famous playwright from Edo period. A famous 20th century writer, Osamu Dazai, tried it several times. One time, only the girl died. Eventually Dazai did manage to kill himself too.)

Hachi say oneeloli is kinda like "a peaceful shinjuu". It's sad, but once you decide to shinjuu (to kill yourself together with you lover), you know you're living the rest of your life for the sake of that person, so it's peaceful in a way, so it's not completely sad.
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>>2664659
Thank you, anon. It's an interesting perspective she has, but I don't fully understand. In what way OneeLoli is similar to shinjuu?

The only sad thing I can think of is the younger one in the relationship will lose her partner earlier as they grow old together. But even then it's "Onee"Loli, not "Oba"Loli so the age difference is not that big, after all when Master is on her middle 30s, Mel wiil be on her 20s.
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>>2664670
Perhaps she means it's doomed because the loli will ultimately stop being a loli.
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>>2664672
Hm, I wonder.

Not many people are sexually attracted to actual grandmas, everyone gets old, someone attracted to legal girls in their 20s will see their loved ones shrivel as time passes as well. That's what love is for, the moment a couple is in love, their particular preferences don't matter anymore, and I honestly believe that Master will just love Mel more and more as time goes by.
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>>2664670
>>2664672
Itou is obviously talking about the societal aspect of OneeLoli, where the Onee is screwed if they get found out. E.g a "social suicide".
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>>2664728
I guess that's a possible interpretation.
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>>2664659
...this is legitimately kind of deep. I think she's comparing two instances of doing something unthinkable/horrible for the sake of being with your loved one forever (simultaneous suicide and diddling them when they're younger). Hachi seems to dig the idea of a pure love that lasts the majority of a couple's lifetimes (especially on the loli side) and never ends for just one partner in particular (where the idea of couple suicide comes in). The idea of one partner dying and the other being alone must terrify her.

>>2664681
>and I honestly believe that Master will just love Mel more and more as time goes by.
Maybe one reason Hachi is so attached to the idea of Oneeloli.
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>>2664659
I would translate that a little differently.

おねロリだって穏やかな心中みたいなものじゃないかと思ってはいますけどまだよくわからんです
I think oneeloli might something like a peaceful lover's suicide, but I don't really know yet.

ただ心中って書くと悲しいイメージがある
However, there's a sad image if you write it as a "lover's suicide,"
けれど結局死に向かって生きているの
but living is heading towards death in the end,
だから「この人と生きよう」と決めた瞬間から穏やかな心中が始まっているのでは?
so the moment you decide "I'm going to live with this person," isn't that the beginning of a peaceful lover's suicide?
そんなに悲しいものではないかもしれないね
So maybe it's not that sad of a thing.
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>>2664757
>The idea of one partner dying and the other being alone must terrify her.
Who isn't terrified by that. Having to keep living after someone you love died is the worst.
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>>2664877
>Who isn't terrified by that. Having to keep living after someone you love died is the worst.
Agreed, but I meant that I think Hachi is ESPECIALLY terrified by this. Which is why I think she brought up the whole double suicide thing.
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>>2664894
Maybe Hachi is still in relationship with her onee-sama from her loli times who is much older than her.
Hachi self-insert as Mel, not the Master.
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>>2664920
Itou Hachi has always self-inserted as the older one in every oneeloli she drew.
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How can we be sure Itou Hachi isn't just a loliconcon who gets off to the thought of her female readers masturbating to oneeloli?
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>>2664926
Maybe she is
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>>2664920
>>2664922
Or maybe she doesn't "self-inserts" at all and it's telling a story like any other good author. Stop with that bullshit, this isn't SAO.
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>>2664934
Let us shitpost about our favourite author.
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>>2664934
Judging by some of her deleted tweets, she very much wants an irl loli gf
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>>2664934
But she does, according to her tweets. Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about, fucking illiterate.

What, did it make you uncomfortable reading an IRL pedophile's works? Did you delude yourself into thinking it's not a degenerate to read little girls getting diddled? Get the fuck off of 4chan or kill yourself then. Only people self-aware enough of their own degeneracy have the right to read loli.
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>>2666441
>>2666479
So do many loli authors, but even if that or every outlandish theories people have about her were even remotely true, it doesn't mean she's self-inserting. You are free to believe that she's going to kidnap and rape a whole kindergarden class if you want, like some people were saying in the Recent Yuri Release threads, at this point I finally understand that a moralfag's heart is filled with darkness like that.

But "self-inserting" is the kind of retarded shit SAO's author does and she has no "self-insert" character, you faggots should really fuck off back to /a/ with this kind of retarded bullshit.
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>>2666479
>But she does, according to her tweets.
Tell me more about this, anon
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Seriously, when will "self-insert" be bannable on /u/? Holy shit, have some self-respect as yuri fans and realize that this kind of cancer doesn't belong here.

Are you going to start calling each other cucks as well for watching a love story without "self-inserting" and pretending to be one of it's characters like /a/ does?
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>>2666491
>calling each other cucks as well for watching a love story without "self-inserting" and pretending to be one of it's characters like /a/ does

what? /a/ has become to that?
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>>2666492
Nothing new really, just the common persecution against yuri fans in this website.

Self-insertfags are incapable of comprehending that it's possible to enjoy a romance without "self-inserting", that there's more to a love story than pretending to be one of it's characters:
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>>2666496
I think their logic is kinda hilarious, really:
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/image/Aug1QK1D5fN9Pf7e_5K_4g/

But seeing self-insertfags here on /u/ out of all the places is just disappointing, I could expected these faggots on the General thread, but not on a normal thread like this one.
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>>2666496
I still remember ye olde days where /a/ shoop spinzaku kick, interesting discussion and hi-res image sharing, occasional yurifag that found /a/ to be more comfortable, before it turns into
elitism, ironic elitism, or shit like that.

no wonder my friend hates current /a/

I guess all quality discussion and anons that involved in it already migrates to /m/
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I like occasional female waifufags as long they're not annoying
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>>2666510
Me too. I think excitable, obsessive girls are super cute and it kinda slots right in there.
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>>2666441
Who doesn't
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>>2666487
>>2666491
>>2666496
>>2666497
Jesus christ shut the fuck up, saying your opinion once was enough.
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>>2666557
Oh, go be retarded somewhere else.

Fuck off.
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>>2666492
It's only, like, three severely autistic waifufags.

/a/ is still trash tho, don't go there
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>>2666511
I don't mind waifufags at all, and I kinda love waifufag characters, although in the end what I want the most if for them to finally be together with the ones they love. But it's not really the same thing as the whole self-inserting autism, it's not like having a waifu prevents you from shipping other characters that are not her.
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>>2666611
Don't worry anon, the only other weeb board besides /u/ that I frequently browse is /m/ for discussion about space battleship yamato and godzilla
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>>2666619
/m/ likes kaiju, too? Might need to check it out. I never tried it because I'm not super interested in mecha.
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>>2666619
How are they liking that new trailer?
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>>2666620
Mecha and Yuri go so well together for some reason, it's like there's a connection between hotblooded mechanic action and passionate girl's love.

Does an updated version of this totally legit, not bait at all :^) chart exists?
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>>2666629
Meant for >>2666619
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why is hachi art so beautiful
i almost feel guilty clicking the next page
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>>2666658
I do love the way she draws buildings and objects, they always look so comfy. I wish she was a game designer, that's the kind of scenery I would love to see in VR.
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>>2666658

She worked some time as background artist for anime studios before being full-time mangaka.
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>>2666670
where did you get this info anon?
genuinely curious
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>>2666659
the oneeloli VR experience
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>>2666670
Wow neat, do you have info on what anime did she work on?
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>>2666510
>>2666511
I love female waifufags. Usually they ship AND have a waifu at the same time, without the stigma /a/ has with "my waifu is just for me". The /u/ waifufags I've seen around all seem to still having yuri ships including their waifu. Girls generally do things better anyway and that applies to waifuism.
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>>2666672
>>2666674

They did not say on what studio she worked at or on what anime she worked on, all they said is (incoming Google Translation of the relevant part):

"The author, Mr. Ito, majored in Japanese painting at a university and then worked at an animation production company. While working in the background department, individuals also performed illustration and manga work."

Source: https://www.comitia.co.jp/history/111fv.html

It would be very nice if someone makes a full translation of that article about Itou Hachi.
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>>2666629
>idolm@ster
what
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>>2666874
Xenoglossia, a mecha spinoff from the original series.
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>>2666725
>Mr. Ito
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>>2666926
> Google Translation
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>>2666926
-san is always translated as Mr. with most machine translations
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>>2666926

Well, the typical fail of an automatic translation, besides it is funny to see that fail when the next line is:

"In coterie, she works with Nintendo's game and secondary creation of "Moomin".

That same article states that her hobby is dog-walking and her birthday is July 14.

Fuck, her birthday was 10 days ago and we did not know about it until now.
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>her birthday was 10 days ago and we did not know about it until now
Ah fuck.
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>>2666941
>"In coterie, she works with Nintendo's game and secondary creation of "Moomin".
What could they possibly mean by this
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>>2666959

It was easy to miss it because nowhere else one can find about when is her birthday.

>>2666964

Yes, that article is a little old, to be precise around January 2015 and it is true that her first doujinshi was published at the beginning of 2008 and the next few years they were only based on Nintendo games and Moomin, then at the end of 2013 she made the transition to original yuri manga.
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>>2666970
I'd love to see some of her Nintendo doujin
What do you think she drew?
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>>2666975

Nothing was R18 (porn), maybe they were a little bit yaoi, the only thing I have seen are the covers published on this database:

https://www.doujinshi.org/browse/author/78351/Itou-Hachi/?kana=&start=&flist=&age=&anth=&order=date&flow=ASC
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>>2666977
There's quite an abrupt change in covers
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>>2666979
There's a real 'suddenly came to terms with being gay' feel to it.
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>>2666979
>>2666977
She found her art style, I would totally buy her older books though, I do love Smash Bros and Zelda. I wonder if Moomin is a fun series.

I wish I could get my hands on everything she ever released, looks like a really nice collection, everything is so cute.
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>>2666983
There's a bit more going on there than just art style.

Does she still do any fan art?
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>>2666985
I don't think so, she's been busy with her books since she went legit. But there's some around Sankaku Channel, like this one from 8 years ago.

Her art changed a lot, but it was always pretty.
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>>2666990
This here (2013) got a bit closer to her current art style.
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Too bad she never made a Haruka x Michiru doujin.
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>>2666977
>Itou Hachi drawing Smash Bros /y/
I would have never expected that
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>>2666658

I don't know. But i thank God everyday for it
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>>2666995
I love this picture so much for some reason
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>>2666941
Why is it a trend that nintendo mangaka eventually end up doing hardcore yuri

If I remember correctly, the guy that worked on Electric Tales of Pikachu also made an entire series about a lesbian sumo wrestling club
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>>2667137
That's the same guy?
I knew he did porn, but I never made the connection.

That's fantastic
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>>2667142
I accidentally discovered it when I was looking for more of his stuff. It's his alternate pornographic penname. A lot of his porn stuff is het but he made some genuine yuri from time-to-time.
Here's lesmo:
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/yamato_nadesico
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>>2666941
>mfw I have the same birthday as her

It's final. Itou and I are soul mates.
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>>2667159
That's not fair! I love her more than you do, and I even had weird experiences with a girl who might have been a pedophile when I was young. I'm perfect for my goddess.
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>>2667160
>>2667159
Sorry, but Itou is not interested in girls past their first mentruation.
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>>2667160
>and I even had weird experiences with a girl who might have been a pedophile when I was young
almost scared to ask
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>>2667161
You might have a chance if you are a moomin.
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>>2666990
cute artstyle
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info from Dynasty

>chaosteam member here
we have an issue with master and me volume 2 raws
they have a watermark
if anyone has the raws with no watermark can they please share?
volume 1 is almost done,chapter 7 is on final qc and we need to start on the next volume.
if the raws are not found we may skip volume 2 and go to volume 3 for now

https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/9169-master-and-me-discussion?page=3#forum_post_393068

Does anyone have raws?
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>>2670243
Buy them.
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>>2670243
Crazy how a group of dedicated individuals join together without a single one of them financially supportive of the series. With all the coupons stores throw around it would probably be less than 400 yen.
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>>2670243
>if the raws are not found we may skip volume 2 and go to volume 3 for now
What the fuck.
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>>2670443
It's fucking chaosteam, I'm surprised they even care about watermarks.
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>>2670448
They used to put their own watermark on things and release only on their Facebook page. I'm glad they came to some sense.
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new art from yuri hime 09
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>>2670487
CUTE
>>2670494
fuckoff
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>>2670494
No need to be upset, friend.
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>>2670487
so cute hnnng
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>>2670487
This is probably my favorite Onee-san Itou drew so far, she's really, really cool looking and dreamy.

High-octane spy action OneeLoli manga when?
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>>2670814
>Super Onee-spy is tasked with looking after and protecting the chief investigator's daughter after the mob puts a hit on his family.
>She slowly grows romantically (and sexually) attracted to her.
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>>2670487
Is this based on something or just a random drawing?
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>>2671024
Pretty sure it's random. Doesn't look like any of Hachi's characters.
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>>2670818
I was thinking more like the Transporter heard baby noises and broke rule one- never open the trunk. Now they are on the run.
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>>2670818
>>2671808

Crap, now I wanna read both of those stories drawn by Itou Hachi :/
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Itou's drawing skills are indeed gorgeous.

I want mel's friends spin-off
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lolicon jokes aside, master and mel is kind of extremely weird, just from the whole slave thing.
I'm fine with oneeloli, but buying your own animal eared slave and forcing them to love you is a bit too much.
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>>2672112
I guess you have a problem with pet owners?
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>>2672112
I was thinking about it recently actually.

But first, they are not slaves, they are really expensive pets. No one forced Mel to love anyone, the whole thing is about this over 30 old fantasy in the moe manga culture about having your own pet catgirl to take care of, I honestly doubt you never saw something similar before. Things like Nekopara are much worse and people just ignore the details about the moral implications. Itou Hachi actually manages to do it right in my opinion, this so ignored sad side of this fantasy is something that needs to happen sometimes.

Pokemon for example, is one of the worst offenders in this subject, things are actually pretty fucking weird in their universe, but it's just a lighthearted children's game, we are not supposed to think so hard about it. In the Black and White versions, the game tried to bring this side of the subject into perspective, but failed miserably, in the end the game was just directly telling the player "it's ok, the Pokemon love their trainers and love to fight each other" again.

Itou Hachi could've done the same as everyone else, instead she chose to have a chapter about how worried Master gets over Mel when she hears that some beastkin child got kidnapped by someone. She made clear that evil people that might harm them do exist in that universe, and even though Master love Mel as a person and she's safe with her, the same might not be true for every beastkin out there.

This melancholy is pretty charming in my opinion, it shows that the author was sensible enough to care about it's worldbuilding and present things as more than just a raw, flawless fantasy.
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>>2672112
I don't think she's forcing Mel to love her. She's also not forcing her to do maid things--she's doing it because she wants to.
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>>2672160
Well i mean those are creepy too.
>>2672161
I mean the entire setup is that these children are trained to become essentially servants and pets for people. But its not like they're animals either, they're just people with animal ears.

Its the type thing its kinda wave-able when its just a small point to get them together, but when there's entire plotlines dedicates to the training and selling of little girls, its kinda weird, even if they're supposedly happy to be getting owned.
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>>2672165
But in the context of the story/fictional world, it really is a lot cuter and less weird than "entire plotlines dedicated to the training and selling of little girls" makes it sound...
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>>2672189
i kind of feel like it would be better if it was a serious thing, but master was just an exception in this case. would be a ray of sunshine in a bleak society, and that's always nice.

as it is, it looks like there's a systemic problem in this world of little girls being brainwashed from birth into enjoying slavery.
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>>2672197
Sounds like this isn't the manga for you. You know there are thousands of other ones with problematic premises that you could be making speculative criticisms about?
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>>2672197
That just loops the discussion back to >>2672160

You are supposed to feel weird about it, the writing is making no excuse to prevent you doing so, the opposite is happening, the author deliberately choose to show this melancholic side of the fantasy. We will never know what happened to the kidnapped beastkin child for example. But also, what you are saying is just like stating that Pokemon has a "systemic problem in that world of rational species being brainwashed from birth into enjoying slavery, fighting and hurting each other." It's your own choice to see and put things that way.

I'm not sure, but if I remember well, there is further explanation that a beastkin in the wilds will turn into a ferocious, dangerous beast, so they are raised since birth to be able to join society. But that's also true for many actual pets in our universe, it's like the beastkin are tigers instead of cats. I would really love to have more explanation to where did the beastkin came from, where did they lived before living amongst humans, and why does the government needs to manage them with so much care.

I personally find really interesting that this manga has a bit of shading in it's world-building to contrast with all the lighthearted fluffy love and cuteness.
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>>2672112
>buying your own animal eared slave and forcing them to love you is a bit too much.
Master doesn't force Mel to love her, it's just a happy coincidence.
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>>2672160
>But first, they are not slaves, they are really expensive pets.
That's even worse. Beast people have no human rights even though they're exactly the same, just with animal ears.

Obviously I don't care because it's just a cute manga but if it were real it would be monsterous
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Slavery has been a thing for the majority of human history, and not all owners were abusive, evil people. It was a fairly well-regulated activity in some cultures.
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>>2672234
Not all slavery was whipping and abuse, but you were still a subclass with less/no rights and it wasn't exactly something people were happy to be in.
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>>2672225
I was talking more about the whole idea of the moe catgirl fantasy there so it was more about semantics, they probably are much more than just pets of course, or Mist would not be so worried about Master and Mel's relationship going too far.
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>>2672240
No matter what people want to see, in the end what we actually have is the story being told, and the words from the author. So for people in that world, beastkin are companions and partners.
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>>2672217
Or maybe the author has a loli, nekomimi and bondage fetish and you are reading way too much into it.
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>>2672155

LOL
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>>2672301
Not that anon, but I don't buy my doggo. I adopt it
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>>2672342
>I didn't buy my slave, I adopted it
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>>2672343
>doggo
>slave

talk to /an/ oneechan
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>>2672344
just saying that your reply didn't exactly make a whole lot of sense
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>>2672343
There's a difference between keeping a non-sapient being as a pet versus keeping a human with ears and tail as a pet.
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>>2672436
Where are you guys getting this stupid edgy headcanon from? Mel is part of a fictional species that finds being owned by humans desirable. There is nothing to suggest that Mel doesn't like the situation she's in and a lot of evidence to the contrary.
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>>2672442
There is the implication that not finding an owner, or finding a bad owner is something undesirable implying there are bad owners out there.

Plus she's an owner, not a parent, by nature this is forced and one sided. All the things Mel enjoys are things a normal person can enjoy as well without being bought and sold like an item.
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>>2672442
A kindhearted slaveowner and a happy slave doesn't make it not slavery, it's just cute and fluffy slavery.
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I want to buy a Mel.
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>>2672277
>reading too much into it
No Anon, saying that this manga has a "systemic problem in this world of little girls being brainwashed from birth into enjoying slavery" is reading too much into it, just like saying that Pokemon has a "systemic problem of sapient species being brainwashed from birth into enjoying slavery and fighting each other." is reading too much into it. Worse even, it's raw, pointless, moralfagging.

>trying to talk about world-building
>no! everything is a fetish
Okay, you lost me. What does that has to do with anything I said? Also, why bondage?
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>>2672507
Join the cause, sell a kidney.
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>>2672445
>>2672459
>a cutesy fantasy story sparks /an/-tier moralfagging and discussion of fucking slavery and free will
Wow, you really can pull anything out of a story if you overanalyze it hard enough
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>>2672521
How is applying a definition in its most basic form overanalyzing? I'm not making a moral judgement, either, I'm just stating what it is.
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>>2672521
It's not as if you have to try too hard to find something potentially sinister in the concept and I haven't even been participating in this conversation. I just choose to compartmentalise my doubts about the morality of the beastkin system in order to enjoy the cute.

I think Itou is fully capable of hinting at the darker sides of things as well. Sayuri’s Little Sister Is An Angel definitely played with implications of Mikoto being dead and the photographer was fucking creepy, as well as basically all of the most recent chapter of Isn't The Moon Beautiful. It's what keeps her work interesting to me, instead of being just mindless fluff.
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>>2672521
I don't get why people keep bringing up /an/

they're not animals, they're thinking and feeling human beings who happen to have animal ears. but are being treated as animals which means they have no rights and are essentially items.
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>>2672536
I also enjoy that about her work. I definitely think the unsettling implications are intentional and I hope she continues to build on them in the next chapters. I hope we also get some answers. What happens to the beastkin who don’t find a master? Do beastkin willingly give their children up by choosing to live in a country that takes them away, and they have an option to go to a place where they can raise their own children? What happens to adult beastkin? We haven’t seen any in the story, just Mel mentioning that she can’t wait until she gets big. I really hope Itou answers these questions.
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Another thing. When the beastkin are adults, do they have all the same rights as non-beastkin or are they still owned by their masters? This is something I’m really curious about, because this can really change the outlook from “these little girls are slaves” to “these little girls were adopted by people who are now their parents.” Even with the school the beastkin attend, are they really learning to be servants or are they just learning how to contribute to the household they they’ll eventually be placed in, like any child would?

I feel like Itou intentionally has left some of these details out to keep us wondering and to keep the feeling of unease in the story but I’m dying to know the answers.
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>>2672602
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/arias_egg#1

In this one, the adult beastkin woman doesn't have any master, so it may be that these characters live in a country where the system is different or during a time period where such a system has been abolished. It is interesting and I'm kinda glad it's ambiguous, though this story may not actually take place in the same universe either.
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>>2672602
>>2672638
I think you guys are just reading into it way too much and the creepy oneechan lolicon is just a creep lolicon who's able to make some cute stories out of it.
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>>2672642
There's no need to pretend to be dumb, imouto Let people discuss things about the manga they like.
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>>2672646
Well I mean the idea of tying it into other stories or itou masterfully constructing sub-textual depression is a bit far fetched and baseless.
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>>2672602
>>2672596
I might be wrong, but it seems Itou's writing process is more earnest and (maybe) lacking in self-awareness than you say. To me, the world building is made to fit the story as needed, rather than thought out beforehand. The reason beastkin exist is to give Mel cute ears, the reason an academy exists is to give Mel a place to come from, the reason beastkin are lower class is to make it 'normal' for Mel to be Master's maid. Any 'underlying uneasiness' is an unintentional consequence. Didn't she say in an afterword that she had a lot of fun drawing the academy because "a place full of girls like Mel doing their best is really cute" or something? Given that, it doesn't make sense that her true intention for writing that was to give a sense of unease to a normally cute story. And then, on the other hand, it's not unthinkable that Itou actually believes a world where a whole race of cute animal girls train to become maids for their loving onee-san masters is just purely cute and heartwarming.
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>>2672651
I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm not the biggest fan of Occam's Razor, but when you consider the questions posed by >>2672536
>What happens to those who fail the approval process?
>What happens if parents are unwilling to surrender their child to the state?
the straightforward answer is that the author didn't think about it and had the same expectation of her audience.
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>>2672642
Let us discuss our l o r e
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>>2672654
It may just be my thought process, but I can't imagine how you could even write those lines without what happens to the rejects occurring to you.
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>>2672680

"A wizard did it"
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>>2672680
>I want to make a story about a cute animal girl servant
>I guess I'll include this school
>And well girls being adopted have tension about who will pick them up, and self doubt is cute, so I'll throw that in too
pretty easy.
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>>2672687
Oh, I'm not saying she didn't immediately handwave it, I'm just saying I don't know how it wouldn't occur to anybody who writes fucking stories for a living. Then again, I never get around to finishing anything because I'm always getting sidetracked, so maybe it's just my deal.
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>>2672689
iirc all that was established in the doujins before she wrote >>2672536 in the manga, as someone pointed out previously, there was no onus on her to give those details.
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>>2672692
Sounds like an easy way to give people little girls who are confirmed to be good servants. More like that fantasy of itou's rather than an actual plot point.
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>>2672695
It just seems like a somewhat peculiar way to frame it. Especially when she's already established other universes where people with animal ears exist and live like 'normal' people. Then you wonder, are beastkin completely different, or is that just how they're described in the language used in this setting.

in all fairness I do think most of Itou's output comes from just writing off the cuff because she thinks an idea is cute, but it does leave shit open to interpretation.
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>>2672697
The idea that all the stories are the same universe just cannot happen, in some its that being animal eared is normal, in others they're the lower class. In that one story the human girl was weird enough she needed to be a protected child.

Its just itou thinking things are cute. I'd almost guarantee it.
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>>2672700
>just cannot happen
Different countries, different time periods, not impossible.
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>>2672680
>>2672691
Because it's obvious she's only world-building to contextualize the cute couple she's written. It's the same reason why we don't know anything about beastkin parents, their gender, lifespan, growth rate, the politics of the nation, the various rights of the beastkin etc etc. It's all irrelevant to Master and Mel.

>>2672692
It's clear most of the writing decisions were based on Itou's tastes and fetishes. I have no idea how you could think that that page is suddenly Itou stepping back and deciding to set up an unsettling undertone. I can understand why you might find some of Itou's stuff creepy (it's all taste based, and everyone's got their own so it's fine), but there's no reason why she would be intentionally creepy to undermine the rest of her tone/work.
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>>2672704
> but there's no reason why she would be intentionally creepy to undermine the rest of her tone/work.
I do want to mention, something being creepy can cause an offset to the cute which makes the cuteness in the creepy stand out more.
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>>2672680
Simply because it's not relevant to the story. None of the characters are rejects, so it doesn't matter what happens to rejects.
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>>2672704
I actually didn't think it was intended to be establishing an unsettling background to the Master and Mel verse in that particular case I think it's just the Japan as a former imperialist power thing shining through and leading to some unfortunate implications for some anons. That was actually my immediate impression when I first read that page.

I've always had similarly unresolved feelings about some aspects of Simoun, where I don't know if my reactions to things like the class-system are the result of a critique the show was trying to make or whether they were just general Japanese world building tropes you're not supposed to think on too hard and they clashed with my foreign sensibilities.

This is why I compartmentalise my feelings so I can just enjoy the fluff.
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>>2672707
Mel worries multiple times about not being good enough to get a master, with the distress this causes her to exhibit I would have assumed Itou at least superficially considered the consequences. Like they just end up working in laundries or cleaning institutions. Or being reintroduced to the beastkin breeding programme.
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I not saying that I'm really against people talking about this stuff, but I'm certainly surprised that anyone wants to when seems to me to just be a contrived backdrop for the fluffy/sexual story Itou wanted to make. This stuff is basically just porn for your heart as far as I'm concerned, aside from maybe enhancing the character's relationship I seriously doubt this stuff will ever really be brought up.

It's just a means to an end, that's all I'm getting at, not something that was meant to have a lot of thought behind it.
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>>2672721
Probably the same kind of retard that thinks all children cartoons are actually psychological horrors in disguise.
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>>2672716
Not necesarily; the consequences are irrelevant because Mel's worries are never realized. Deep characterization or thorough worldbuilding aren't on Hachi's agenda, just cute oneeloli.
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>>2672721
>>2672728
Its not that I think the story itself is a creepy disguised horror story, but it does imply that in itou's fantasy world the buying and selling of animal eared children is something that's seen as a good thing and she doesn't even think anything but fluff of this beastkind trafficking
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>>2672732
You can portray just about anything in a positive light in fiction by just ignoring all the negative consequences.
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>>2672735
but the thing itself can still be unsettling, which is what I feel about mel.
the story itself is cute and fluffy, but the implications about this world isn't.
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>>2672732
Now go to a one piece thread and explain to them pirates were bad people in real life.
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>>2672721
I think it is a bit of an interesting reflection on Itou if the first contrived backdrop she came up with basically states that beastkin are under the explicit control of the government and their children are taken and institutionalised and she didn't seem to have any second thoughts about this. But you're right, I don't expect it to have more of an effect on the story.
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>>2672745
Well it gets a lot of things out of the way pretty quickly. If she wanted to tell a story about an adult woman having total authority over her cute wolf-eared loli maid, and lets face it: that's right in line with her interests, I don't think the set up is THAT weird. The negative implications that are there are pretty easily explained as setting up Mel's initial sadness and then happiness when she's adopted and her love for her master, it all just goes to set up their relationship. I really don't believe that Itou had a bigger goal in mind than that.
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>>2672749
It's actually not weird at all, it's totally in keeping with things actual governments have done in human history, which is why I think I find myself thinking 'how did she not consider this a little too fucked up to run with'. Which is why I'm really hoping it was somehow incredibly unintentional because otherwise it kind of tips the scales on what I can comfortably rationalise to keep enjoying the manga.

I mean, she could have just gone with Victorian era style servitude and it wouldn't have changed anything overall except the beastkin bit actually being apparently enslaved.
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>>2672767
Well, weird for a manga that's primarily about something so cute. Again, though, I think that stuff wasn't meant to be considered past the immediate effect it had on Mel. You don't have to rationalize anything because it's not what the story is about and not what you're meant to even still be thinking about. If this changes and these things are brought up then I'll reconsider my view, but I'm fairly sure that it's not at all something Itou intended anyone to be worrying about.

Call me a creep, but her being owned rather than employed is part of the charm of their relationship.
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>>2672784
I think that's why I found it so jarring and haven't quite been able to shake it from my appraisal of the story, even if I can separate it from Master and Mel's interactions, which are clearly coming from a place of affection on both sides. (Other inherent imbalances aside.)

You're probably right though that unless it encroaches on the plot again later, which I doubt, it's not worth worrying about.

I think it's just because my country has a really fucked up history regarding institutionalising people and giving their children away as they saw fit that probably touched a nerve and makes it seem a little beyond the pale to evoke so casually. But like the Simoun comment, our backgrounds all influence how we process these things individually. Presumably Itou's fairly oblivious to any implications of what she wrote, just like I know a lot of what I watch and read must go over my head without the background knowledge

I honestly vacillate between how I feel about that pretty often too. There's something thrilling about a loving and devoted owner, as opposed to just an employer. Must make me seem like such a hypocrite, ha.
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>>2672767
>how did she not consider this a little too fucked up to run with
You'd be surprised how little thought goes into such narrative elements when they're purely intended to provide context rather than to serve as a focus for the plot.
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>>2672826
I certainly don't mean to downplay how terrible slavery is in real life and can get why it would make someone uncomfortable, but ultimately I think you're holding yourself back by dwelling on it. Hypocrite or not, I don't think enjoying a purely fictional story like this makes anyone a bad person as long as they're aware of how unrealistically glamorous it is and that the scenario IS purely fiction.

Unless it does take an unexpected turn and actually takes its world building seriously to examine this stuff, focusing on it is only going to hurt your enjoyment of it with no real benefit. I'm about 99% certain that these aspects are only there to allow this specific story to be told, and that it's in your best interest to accept that and take the story for what it is.
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>>2672826
>>2672767
Any uneasiness/negativity around her setting is definitely unintentional. Think of it this way: given all we know about her (through other manga, twitter posts, etc), it's kind of obvious that (to her) the nation-wide taking of all beastkin children since birth and training them to be cute maids for human masters (for life) is nothing but a cute and fluffy paradise. It's a shame you have trouble enjoying the rest of the goodness due to an admittedly fucked up setting, but it's definitely a matter of Itou being Itou. One thing you have to say about her is that she's committed to what she likes.
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>>2672932
To be fair, it would be paradise.
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>>2673981
Obviously the real-life ramifications are bad but I really want something like Hachi's world. It's so simple and happy.
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>>2674123
I love how dreamy her universes always seem.
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>>2674123
But do you want to be the master or the servant? That's the real thing to consider.
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>>2677991
Being taken care of by a beautiful gay onee-san sounds simply wonderful.
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>>2677991
Obviously the servant
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>>2677991
Master.
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>>2677991
I wish to be the little girl.
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>>2677435
I love how they remind me of the idealized idea of late Meiji and Taisho eras.
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>>2678089
wow I actually learned something
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Hachi dumped a lot of art, I saved it in a hurry. Tell me if she deletes, there doesn't seem to be anything lewd.
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>>2679617
What is her twitter tag?
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>>2679747
https://mobile.twitter.com/itou8
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>>2679617
the latest images are dated at 0503 on 08/08/18 is that what you saw, if yes nothing has been deleted yet.
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>>2679617
>>2679861
Those are new ones aren't they?
https://mobile.twitter.com/itou8/status/1027163267230138368
https://mobile.twitter.com/itou8/status/1027163147461787648
https://mobile.twitter.com/itou8/status/1009044637422481408

Pretty cute, I suppose that means she will still make more Master and Mel, even if just as doujin releases?
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>>2679898
Who is this harlot sleeping with master's property?
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>>2679913
Did you forgot about Mel's friends already?
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I don't think I am ready for Itou /ll/
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>>2679942
I would actually love if she made a cute loli couple, I would probably die of diabetes, but that's fine.
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>>2679942
/ll/ doesn't specify a dual loli pair.
What Itou does now is /ll/.
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>>2679942
I'd be all for it with any other characters, but seeing Mel cheat on Master would kill me inside.
maybe a threesome could be ok though
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>>2680034
What about Master peeping behind the door while the lolis play together
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>>2680065
As long as they are just playing that's fine, but Master a cute and should just join them if that's the case.
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>>2680068
I can't imagine Master playing with children.
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>>2680079
She would do anything if Mel asked with puppy eyes, and be adorably awkward while doing it.
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>>2680082
well thanks for saying that, now I'll be forever disappointed if we never see that happen
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>>2680079
>I can't imagine Master playing with children.
I can.
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>>2680104
Master doesn't play around.
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>>2680113
She clearly isn't good at playing, there aren't even any toys.
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>>2680120
animal girls are toys
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>>2680113
w-what's she doing to her?
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>>2680149
Fucking her!
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>>2680149
Wholesome consensual activities.
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>>2680159
>>2680162
Which is it?
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>>2680787
Both.
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>>2680149
according to that dialogue its disturbing and brutal rape.
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>>2680816
Can't be, there's hearts everywhere.
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>>2680818
hearts exist only to be broken
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>>2680855
that's deep, almost as deep as Master's fingers probably were that night
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>>2680816
Mel is too cute. It can't be helped.
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>>2680034
I don't think Hachi would have Mel cheat on Master. I think they're just friends and the long-haired one has a crush or something.
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>>2680113
>>2680928
How is this okay. Master is an adult while Mel clearly isn't.
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>>2681251
They're in love, imouto.
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>>2681251
wow if only there were a label attached to this series to warn moralfags to stay away
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>>2681254
Mel doesn't know what love is and can't consent to sexual acts.
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>>2681261
Hi author how nice of you to stop by
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>>2681251
>>2681261
Please, stop trolling.
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>>2681263
You percieve it as trolling, but it's simply the truth. And I forgot to say, especially the domination aspects of it are disconcerting. Imagine being a young girl, getting bound like Mel here >>2680928 and being raped by an older women.
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>>2681267
It's not rape though. Mei would never not consent, because she's in love with Master. And Master would never hurt Mel.
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>>2681267
I'm sorry you can't differentiate between reality and fiction.
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>>2681268
Right, it's just nice sexual assault.

(At least don't be a hypocrite. Admit you enjoy rape if it's oneeloli.)
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>>2681270
Real life sensibilities do not necessarily apply to fiction. Itou Hachi has written these characters to be explicitly, truly in love.
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>>2680113
>>2680928
Delete this shit.
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>>2680928
Wait, so in the original picture Master says "yari sugita" (I did too much, I exaggerated), but the anon who translated wrote "Mel, I love you" instead.
Way to change the mood of the scene.
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>>2681298
The level of Japanese knowledge among yuri translators seem to be low.
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>>2681298
Yeah. The image is actually literally tape with mel crying and begging master to stop. And master realizing she went too far.
Like unironically
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>>2680082
So >>2680113 was ensuring she didn't get an opportunity to make puppy dog eyes at her?
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>>2681462
sure, whatever you say
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>>2681446
Yeah, how dare she make the loli climax, Master should be the only one feeling pleasure
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>>2681467
what a gentlewoman
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>>2681251
Isn't she like 50 in dog years
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>>2681756
More like 70, but at least it's still age gap.
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>>2681838
Now I want Master and Mel reverse age gap
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>>2681290
You aren't in the right board bitch.
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>look at our literal objects, they used to know each other back when they were free in their home country. so quaint.
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>>2683233
are we really still stuck on this
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>>2681251
because it's not real
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>>2681267
>Imagine being a young girl, getting bound like Mel here >>2680928 and being raped by an older women.
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>>2683233
>implying they were free back then
If you are going to shitpost at least read it first.
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>>2683311
Okay my bad anon
>look at our pets that we forcefully separated from their friends and family. It looks like in their old training kennels they were friends, how adorable.
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>>2683318
how about you go out and scream at all of your neighbors who have pets instead of doing this
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I know what we should do, guys. We should apply real world standards of morality to works of escapist fiction. This is totally smart and doesn't make me a brainlet at all.
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>>2683318
The girls were specially breed and raised to be pets.
They never had a home, friends or family.
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>>2683321
She probably does
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>>2683321
These are nothing alike though.
But if my neighbor raped their dog id call animal services.
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I feel bad for anyone so caught up in the morality of this FICTIONAL story that they miss out on realizing how adorable it is that Mel feels jealous and how it shows that she really does feel love for her master. I hope we see more of that in the next chapters.
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Some people don't just refuse to have fun, they can't let other people enjoy things.
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>>2683318
Oh my, are you one of those, so-called, kemono-loli right's activists? How terribly quaint. I happened upon many of your kind on holiday in the colonies. Why, next you'll be saying Puella Magi ought to be allowed to purchase land and use the sidewalk just like normal folk. Kemono-loli's are a simple people, they need structure, a firm hand, and a warm onee-san. Anything else is beyond them.
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so master's friend is totally a pedo too, right
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>>2683263
You damn pervert.
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ffs, this can't be this cute. I'm gonna die!
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What's Master's real name though
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>>2684159
Check the sex offender registry
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>>2684200
You mean check the list of beastkin owners.
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>>2684204
Oh silly me, they're the same thing aren't they!
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>>2684206
No, you're on both for different reasons.
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>>2683329
It's just one person and I think they're shitposting.
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>>2684316
You may think this is misplaced moral posturing, but in fact, she is actually just pointing out a lot of finer and more subtle aspects of the series that make it subtextually hot. She just keeps forgetting to attach a pic of an aroused onee-san, so everyone thinks she's being sarcastic.




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