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Where were you when Ritz confirmed that over half the characters are lesbians (and some bi), half the cast are iPS kids and same-sex marriage is legal?

http://www.sciasta.com/ritz/
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>>2881262
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>>2881262
I was sitting on my bed.
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>>2881262
>there are bisexuals
eww
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>>2881262
That's great, but when are we getting to the finals?
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So when are we going to see one of the pairs of girls kiss on-screen?
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>>2881267
I think Yuuki was the only one confirmed, but I do not know if that confirms that women married to men are bisexual (they are also characters) The only het, are men?

There really is not much to be surprised about, just the confirmation of something that was already quite obvious.

>>2881295
frankly that may happen first than this.
>>2881277
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This sounds so fucking retarded I'm glad I never got invested into this.
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>>2881277
But they are already in the finals.
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Yeah, but how many girls want to fuck a hamster?
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>>2881301
>author doesn't say they're gay
>They're not gay, it's just subtext shit!
>author says they're gay
>Wow, this is so retarded!
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>>2881307
>>2881309
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>>2881303
the problem is when the finals end, besides that there is still to tackle the indibidual tournament and the family problems of Saki.
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>>2881301
I can't imagine what it's like to have opinions and taste as shit as yours.
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>>2881331
that's what it means to be Erica, normalfag or anon in /a/.
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>>2881262
Looking at /a/'s thread on this same topic. It seems that earlier this morning (after noon japan time) Ritz's blog was so impacted that it shut down for a time. The 2ch thread started from it reached 1000 posts maxed out and had to be restarted.
Why after all these years did Ritz decide to post this, and in this manner? Fight with her editor? Pissed off at deniers? Why not draw a chapter showing some of the adult characters married home life instead?
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>>2881340
>Why after all these years did Ritz decide to post this, and in this manner? Fight with her editor? Pissed off at deniers? Why not draw a chapter showing some of the adult characters married home life instead?
Editor forced her to make a Mako spin-off or write the idiotic hamster plot for MekiMeki manga.
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>>2881360
/a/ said it was "damage control for the food spinoff" as well.
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>>2881365
Yeah maybe the food spin-off will be quite straight.
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>>2881262
Now if only there was something actually in the manga that supports this blog.
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>>2881262
To be fair, you need to have some seriously high-level delusion to think otherwise, even without official confirmation.

Based ritz anyway.
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>>2881340
>Why after all these years did Ritz decide to post this, and in this manner?
frankly it is quite normal for an author to reveal important information in this way, although it is done when the Manga ends.

>>2881365
>/a/ said it was "damage control for the food spinoff" as well.
why? It's not like it's a bad thing, or there's something we do not know.

>>2881360
>write the idiotic hamster plot for MekiMeki manga.
3 idiots crying is no difference, real fans do not even care.

>>2881386
the manga has already done it for years, newfag.
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>>2881391
>seriously high-level delusion to think otherwise
you have examples in this thread

>>2881301
>>2881309
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>>2881340
Ritz got round to answering some reader questions and one of them was about homosexuals.
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>>2881386
I can't check the blog right now since it's down, but apparently she said something about adding more of those elements (gay parents and lesbians?)
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>>2881411
>adding even more of those elements
fixed

>gay parents
this would be the only novelty, there are several families that have not been shown yet.
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>>2881340
The real question is why she didn't tell about all of this to Mekimeki before he went full heteronormativetard and drew Toki's and Ryuuka's fathers and hamsters.
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/a/ saved an image of the original blog post before the sciasta servers collapsed under the strain. Translation?
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>>2881472
Only part of it is relevant:

>Like usual there's a backlog of questions but I'll pick some that seem easier to answer...

>- Homosexuals
>I've not counted but I reckon it's over half the characters. Including married people.
>Out of that I reckon about 2 tenths are bi.
>There's that stuff about iPS, but more than half the characters are female x female children.
>And in that world same sex marriage is possible.
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>>2881307
More than you'd think.
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Well duh.
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>>2881478
We seriously need a gay moms spin-off.
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>>2881478
>>2881472
She also says most readers of gravure idol magazines in the universe are women, and most staff are female.
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>>2881493
Does this also confirm that women are the dominant gender in that world?
I do not know why people ask the obvious, I prefer to know more about the truth of underwear.

>>2881492
I think that's why people complain about Mako's spin-off
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>>2881492
Yeah.
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>>2881496
Think about it. If iPS babies is a thing, it creates a world with way more women in numbers than males. It's pretty realistic to believe they run it now.
In fact, males will soon become extinct because of that.
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>>2881503
I doubt that males would go extinct but they would become rare for sure. IPS means you can have a child with your best friend (or friends) regardless of that friends gender. There would still be a number of women who have male friends that would fall in that category. And there are women who are attracted to the male body and male behavior. They would find less competition from their own gender and a lot more hungry men and they would produce boys half of the time. So the production would never reach zero, though the population would be heavily skewed from what it is now, the real break on how far skewed being cost.
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>>2881505
although what is established is that men are considered inferior to women, it was a bit more obvious when Nodoka's mother appeared and was in a better position than Nodoka's father.

This reminds me that apparently in Simoun, the women rebelled against the men, eradicated them and they became the new men, that is what I understand.
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>>2881505
So all of those silly harem scenarios are necessary for yuri? Because that's what it would result into. Unless everyone becomes gay, but that's hard to believe.
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>>2881514
I don't believe it was ever said what happened other than that there was a cataclysmic war in the past which prevented natural males from coming about. I think it would be a mistake, though, to assume that sex works the same as it does for us as it does in Simoun. For one, the Argentum men are literally made that way through hormones and are still capable of reproduction. I'd have to guess the youth state is much more pliable reproductively than our own.
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>>2881516
What harem scenarios? What are you talking about?
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I am wondering if this is one step closer to Ritz coming out as a lesbian herself?
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>>2881530
Ritz isn't a lesbian. She's THE lesbian.
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>>2881521
apparently the OST contains "clues" in the names of the songs, apparently.

>>2881529
the basic plot that there are few men and for that reason the reproduction is necessary with several women.
the funny thing is that men are inferior but not in number, the indibidual men's tournament had too many participants and they went for quick eliminations.

>>2881530
>>2881533
Ritz is our savior.
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>the basic plot that there are few men and for that reason the reproduction is necessary with several women.
Why would that be a necessity? If a woman could have a child with another woman that scenario will never happen. You would have to have some reason why gender balance.
The harem scenario you mention assumes that several women must serve one man to reproduce children AT ALL. Not for gender balance.
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>>2881543
to be fair these "plots" only exist as excuses to develop masculine fantasies, very few take it seriously.
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>>2881530
She's one step closer to getting another mangaka pet.
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>>2881543
Don't bother with the ESL retard.
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>>2881573
Remove yourself from this board, asshole. You are fucking cancer.
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>>2881573
I hate you and your reaction pics so much.
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>>2881585
It's funny how easy they are to provoke and that you can never give a real argument in their lives.
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>>2881514
Simoun world was pretty sexist against women, though. The world was governed by the ones who choose to become men only, which was stupid and one of the things I didn't like about it.

>>2881505
Why would they have iPS babies with men instead of having sex with them?
Anyway, my point is that female x female will always be female and female x male can still be female. While male x male will be impossible unless they use a surrogate mother, which is illegal in my country, not sure about Japan.
So female will always be the majority, while yeah, straight women will always exist. But then again, straight women are choosing not having children in Japan right now, so who knows.
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>>2881596
>Simoun world was pretty sexist against women, though.
I remember that, although in the end there are also women who are sexist and see themselves inferior for some reason.

Although the funny thing about Ritz's statement is that they are lesbians or bi, there are no straight girls.
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>>2881602
Actually, no. She said 50% of the cast is gay. Among these 50%, 20% are bi.
Although mind you, she didn't say "girls", she said "characters". So you could count Kyousuke inside of the 50% straight, too.
Still, some of the female cast isn't supposed to be gay.
We know Yuuki is probably one of the straight ones.
Also, the 50% who are not gay could be asexual or some shit.
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>>2881505
>IPS means you can have a child with your best friend (or friends) regardless of that friends gender
Do you know what IPS is?
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>>2881602
>there are no straight girls
If "more than half the cast" is lesbians, then less than half of the cast isn't. So there are straight girls.
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>>2881605
>She said 50% of the cast is gay
No, she said more than half the cast is gay, not 50%.

>Among these 50%, 20% are bi.
That's not how it works. Those categories are separate.

>>2881607
>If "more than half the cast" is lesbians, then less than half of the cast isn't. So there are straight girls.
No because it could mean 80% lesbians and 20% bisluts.
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>>2881608
>That's not how it works. Those categories are separate.
Because people are adapting her words. She never said "lesbian". The term she uses is basically: "People who love people of the same gender". So it can be either lesbian or big.
More than half of the characters are no straight. 20% of these are bi. That would be the right info.
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>>2881594
To be fair ESL anon, you never provide an actual argument aside from your reaction pictures. If there is one, it's lost in your awful English.
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>>2881611
Bi, not big, obviously.
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Just because they aren't gay/bi doesn't mean they are straight. They could just be asexual and haven't gotten the gay yet.
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>>2881606
It means no worries, for the rest of your days.
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>>2881611
Yeah, people took the word "lesbians" because she's was talking about the characters, which are mostly female.
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>>2881611
Or, and this is the most likely scenario, you are just shitposting.
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>>2881611
I'm sure Japanese has a word for bisexual (両性的?) so it should be mutually exclusive with homosexual.
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>>2881611
>or big
Get them on board, I'll call it in.
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>the blog is still down
Jesus, I don't get why this was such a big shock.
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>>2881624
Although you can treat 同性愛者 as technically not including bisexuals, it's clear from そのうち that Ritz was including the bis under the more than half and it would just be nitpicky to fault Ritz for the phrasing.
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>>2881606
Apparently you don't.
But as of last October, gene edited pluripotent stem cells work at fertilizing eggs in mammals. Both female/female and male/male attempts were made. Only female/female gene source produced live pups in mice. But the male/male sources did produce conceptions- just none of them lived for unknown reasons, other than there are way more variables. Having two fathers required the editing of 7 genes instead of 3, a donor egg, and donated uterus time. But it was close enough to not write it off as something that will eventually work. Not that THAT concerns us or Ritz at the moment.

It is also possible for a child to have three moms, the egg body which contains the mitochondria can have its nucleus removed and one from another woman's egg replaced, then fertilized by the genetically modified germ cell from a third woman. Thus a three mother child.
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>>2881637
That doesn't have to do with what I meant. The poster I replied to apparently thinks IPS is also for male/female somehow.
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Bless her, it was pretty obvious but still. Here's the text.

https://twitter.com/hannover03/status/1126074237280612352
同性愛者は 数えてないですが登場人物の半分以上な気がします。既婚者も含めて。 そのうち2割くらいはバイな気がします。 iPSうんぬん言ってますが登場キャラの半数以上が女性×女性の子供です。 あとこの世界は同性婚可能です。
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>>2881623
>・同性愛者は
>数えてないですが登場人物の半分以上な気がします。既婚者も含めて。
>そのうち2割くらいはバイな気がします。

>同性愛者は
>同性 = same-sex
>愛 = love
>者 = person
>そのうち = about what was mentioned (meaning the 20% is about the more than half above)

Yeah, Japanese people do use 同性愛者 as homosexual. But then again, it's not really a rule. The literal meaning is just "someone who is into people of the same gender". If she had said "レズ", that would by another story.
If you still think I'm wrong, explain to me why she used そのうち there.
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>>2881614
The gravure bit makes me think that even the straight ones are closeted dykes.
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>>2881652
And let's no forget that she said that moms and grandmas are virgins.
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>>2881514
It always makes me laugh how the Teru of the boys is around Izumi's level.
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Why does it feel like /a/ is taking this news better than /u/?
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>>2881661
Shitposting is harder to ignore in a slow board.
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>>2881648
Um, it IS. Its just usually unnecessary. But if a male who has lost his ability to produce sperm wants to still have a natural child, it would solve his problem too.
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>>2881661
Yuriproject still in denial.
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>>2881666
That is so specific that is not even worth considering.
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>>2881665
It's one of the few benefits of a faster board. Shitposts can just be drowned out by actual discussion.
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Can we make fun of those idiots in here that have claimed Saki isn't yuri for a decade?
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>>2881672
Not if your a clinic that wants to make a profit off of offering this service.
>>2881661
/u/ is very paranoid about frauds and hoaxes, made worse by a minority of posters with past trauma who simply cannot believe that anything will ever go their way.
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>>2881661
Tanoshii threads have a small population, those tend to be the best and also people who stayed loyal usually care about the characters and want them to be gay and happy. Wonder if this will lead to a spin-off or at least an epilogue with iPS babies.
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>>2881674
>actual discussion
If only. It's usually just more shitposting.

>>2881675
>people claiming Saki isn't yuri
Denial isn't just a river if true.
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>>2881675
This probably won't stop them. They'll keep going "if they don't trib on-screen it's bait/girlship/buzzword of the week",
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>>2881680
Today I will remind them.
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>>2881681
If the characters actually are gay, I don't think confirmation of that in the story itself is too much to ask for.
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>>2881681
They are insane or dense as a black hole. I'd also blame those who keep replying to them. I miss when you only saw that behavior from lizard people believers.
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>>2881661
All the people mad about it from /a/ probably came here to shitpost
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>>2881682
>はいてない
Okay, THAT made my smirk a fair bit.
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Kinda depressing Ritz had to use this JK Rowling way of telling it though.
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>>2881695
Means no het I assume?
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>>2881703
I'm joking btw
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Discussion in the /a/ thread has drifted to wondering "why has Hakka-ya not commented on this" and stalking her twitter.
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>>2881709
That is a good question. Get her on the phone immediately.
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>>2881710
This has implications, if its true that Hakka-ya imagines Slow Start and Saki being in the same world. Maybe Eiko and Miki really are IPS babies and really are biological identical twins born a year apart, one by each mother?

And she really can become Eiko Enami and start her own family with Sensei.
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>>2881712
Maybe Tama's grandmothers are an actual couple.

Also
>Eiko Enami
>not Kiyose Tokura
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Ritz blog back up. Now everyone can jump over there and crash it again.
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>>2881714
Are Tama's parents dead or is she just a "job orphan"?
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>>2881607
Those ones are asexual. Ritz never said they were straight
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>>2881712
How can the slow start author know something that was only revealed today
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>>2881732
I can literally not focus on the words, not with that image of Hajime there.

>>2881796
You'd think she'd be on top of whatever happens with Saki.
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>>2881818
By getting the news earlier than everybody else? How?
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>>2881821
I don't know what time zone you are typing from, but this is almost twenty-four hours old. That's plenty of time for Hakka-ya to read and comment on it.
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>>2881827
I was talking about your assumption about Hakka-ya knowing about the IPS thing and adding it to her story before this was revealed today
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>>2881829
IPS in Saki has been a thing for years, this just confirmed it.
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>>2881700
There's a difference between teasing or subtlety vs outright making shit up in retrospect.
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>>2881700
In other news, Ritz just tweeted that YOU, the person reading this, is gay.
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>>2881831
I think it was a thing as far back as when the anime first started airing, Something about Nodoka looking up the details of IPS on the internet.
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>>2881837
Richardson is a single mother.
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>>2881700
C'mon obasan. This is like Rowling confirming Harry was straight after seeing him stalking and blushing at that asian girl.
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>>2881675
>Can we make fun of those idiots in here that have claimed Saki isn't yuri for a decade?
We had legit arguments to do that since 2011.
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Toki other parent is really ambiguous on the first image she appeared. I wonder if MekiMeki knew about this and it's going to show her face now.
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>>2881340
Preparing to reveal the secrets of Saki family and Goldfish.
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>>2881478
I dropped this boring manga ages ago but this is absolutely based.
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>>2882004
Saki is not a romance manga, it's your own fault for expecting that kinda thing. Also careful with the salt, nee-sama.
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>>2881340
>Why after all these years did Ritz decide to post this, and in this manner?
Because someone asked about it and the information is not directly relevant to the plot so answering it won't spoil anything.
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Why does everyone assume Ritz is a woman?
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>>2882057
Someone hasn't read Ritz's true-to-life biography. https://mangadex.org/title/8860/ritz
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>>2882054
The "it will become" is just the way it's translated there.

>そういえばiPS細胞というので同性の間でも子供ができるらしいです
This can be translated as:
>Come to mention it, with a thing called iPS cells apparently it's possible to make children between people of the same sex.
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>>2882058
...And this is supposed to be a realistic account?
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>>2882074
Yes.
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>>2882057
What could she be other than a woman?
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>>2882014
Right, pointing out the obvious contradictions is being salty but complaining to your sugarmommy so that she would delete everything that doesn't conform to sheep majority's opinion isn't. Just burn everything you don't agree with, that's a proud historic tradition after all.

Half the characters can't be born by IPS because the tech wasn't developed back then. It's right there in the manga.
Nodoka, Saki, Toki, etc all have fathers. Closing your eyes doesn't make them women.
Stating that half the characters are gay and not having them actually act gay beyond the little and anime-only subtext doesn't make them gay.
Stating that gay marriage is legal and not showing a single gay married couple doesn't do anything other that scoring yuri pandering points.
But by all means, don't forget to buy the Mako's spin-off for all the 2 panels of yuri per volume. You deserve it.
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>>2882087
>Half the characters can't be born by IPS because the tech wasn't developed back then. It's right there in the manga.
Isn't it a extra chapter? Everyone even took it and made a meme. She can just say it's not canon.
Like the het Aprils Fool chapter.
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>>2882087
>the tech wasn't developed back then
[citation needed]
Your pic doesn't actually say it >>2882059
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>>2882087
Kid defines Yuri and make us laugh.
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So Hislut is one of the bisluts, right?
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>>2882106
Highly doubt it, but I'm fairly certain Mihoko's one of the iPS babies. (Though that's going on the assumption that heterochromia and having two mommies goes hand in hand).
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>>2882087
Of all the things to get so overexercised about.
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>>2882106
You should ask ritz that. Be like the nips and keep bugging her till she finally snaps.
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>>2882087
Why can't you just enjoy things?
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>>2882106
Naturallys. Can't trust sluts
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>>2882054
>>2882087
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>>2882074
Her life is pretty exciting.
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>>2882136
these girls have superpowers and participate in a sport that is not corrupt, what Ritz said seems to me quite normal.
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>>2882136
Women who have never had sex with a male are virgins. Same sex reproduction is done in a lab, so yes it's possible for most of the mothers and grandmothers in the cast to be virgins.
If anything this announcement clarifies that old one.
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>>2882136
>subtext
You think the girl that receives telepathic orgasms from her partner is just a Friend or what?
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Let's not just overlook what Ritz's post has to say about schoolgirl gravure idols and elementary schoolers in kneesocks. Another step forward for lesbian lolicon.
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Only /u/ can make a huge super important yuri revelation turn into such a shitshow.
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>>2882136
Makes perfect sense. The Saki world always was a bizarre place.
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>>2882150
>memes turn out to be true
>everyone flips their shit
And this is why no confirmation is better than confirmation.
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>>2882136
>Does it not push anyone's suspension of disbelief in any way?
No more than invisibilty or lesbian wi-fi. Not to mention in Japan, virign means "never had sex with a man", lesbian sex is not considered.

>And IPS technology has an inbuilt time machine so that you can get pregnant with it before it is even invented.
A minor retcon for the greater purpose of lesbian worldbuilding. Kinda like how Tolkien removed all the references to modern Earth in the Hobbit.
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>>2882136
>subtext that never went anywhere
The manga isn't even over yet.

>>2882144
Are D-cups in 11-years olds a result of IPS breeding?
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>>2882164
It's not even a retcon.
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>>2882150
>>2882162
It feels mostly to me like one or two people just being contrarian for the attention. Possibly just that dedicated troll who's been shitting up the general and RR lately. Though I do feel like the /u/ of a few years ago would have been more pleased.
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>>2882150
It's hardly a shitshow. It seems to me like it's only a small number of trolls and salty incels shitposting.

>>2882167
With lab made babies you can edit their genes so, yes.
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>>2882172
>Though I do feel like the /u/ of a few years ago would have been more pleased.
I think most of us are plenty pleased about this.
It's just that most of us are thinking "well yeah, obviously."
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>>2882164
>in Japan, virign means "never had sex with a man", lesbian sex is not considered.
Thats retard
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>>2882144
>>2882167
>Are D-cups in 11-years olds a result of IPS breeding?
>>2882173
>With lab made babies you can edit their genes so, yes.
Now it makes perfect sense because Ryuuka looks so much like her mother, basically she was a clone.

>>2882150
they are just the typical idiots who do not accept that people like what they do not like.

>>2882174
>"well yeah, obviously."
this

>>2882162
It serves to separate the idiot fans, from the real fans.
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>>2882164
That's how it is everywhere, dummy. Losing virginity = penile-vaginal penetration.
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>>2882190
Debatable.
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>>2882191
No, thats the fundamental basis of the concept of virginity. BUT some societies have found that it was not sufficient by itself to alleviate male insecurity that they were raising other mens children. So more and more layers of restrictions on female socialization with other men were heaped up. But lesbianism was never considered a threat to the patriarchy because women had no ability either legally or physically to prevent their husbands from impregnating them. If they spent the times when the male inevitably was away working having sex with their girlfriends so what? No children would result to complicate the inheritance and it might just keep them from cheating with a male.
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>>2882190
Debatable, the stretch of the hymmen (open hymen) can aslo mean losing virginity and that can happen with fingers too. It's most up to what people believe a virgin is
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>>2882182
That's just the way it is. File your complaints to Japan and its views on sexuality.
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>>2882190
That's the classical definition, but the development of sexuality in the western world broaded its scope. After all "virgin" was originally only applied to females.
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>>2882150
It's a shitshow because it's a revelation that was just a blog post instead of being in the actual series.
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>>2882201
It can still happen in the series, unlike the usual situations in which this happens, this time the series isn't over yet.
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>>2882164
Breaking the hymen from penetration usually is counted even if it's during lesbian sex, like from fingers.

And that's just the mainstream perception. Japan does have its activists and academics who will say viriginity shouldn't come down to the hymen.
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>>2882195
Definitions shift. I doubt that women who’ve only had sex with other women are universally considered to be virgins. This isn’t the place to be getting into that discussion though
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I just hope MekiMeki can now finally draw the two fucking with Toki in a hamster cosplay
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>>2882144
>schoolgirl gravure idols
>most readers of gravure in the Sakiverse are female (according to Ritz)
Fuck yes
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>>2882236
Natural consequence of the lesbian portion of the population now being able to increase on its own. Their daughters carry both the genetic disposition and are raised in a lesbian household so they have the social influence too. Not many of them are going to grow up het or even if they marry a male themselves, to dislike the female body and sex between women.
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>>2882225
Or Toki cosplaying as a hamster and posing for gravure.
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>>2882225
>>2882290

>>2882201
How new are you? This is a perfectly normal method used by many authors, it is also just additional information and not important parts of the plot as in other cases.
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>>2882391
It's relevant to how you view the characters' relationships, so it isn't just "additional information".

That said, it's not a shitshow unless the series ends without anything happening. Hopefully this is Ritz preparing people.
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>>2882409
I don't really see what she would need to prepare people for. She already has Ryuuka and Toki sleeping together naked in the nap room. We also already had the kiss in the S1 anime.
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>>2882391
It's normal for authors to just explain world building in a blog post that contradicts what we actually see on the series? You can't just say that less than 30% of your stories population is straight and yet only have het couples explicitly mentioned. We have several characters with a mother and father, not a single mention of one character having two moms. They might as well added at the end that panties actually exist and 90% of the characters wear them. Would have made just as much sense.
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I tried watching saki when I was 12 but dropped it because I felt weird watching it
now I realise how dumb that was and can't find a good torrent to watch it all
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>>2882512
Exactly, it's a bit out of nowhere. It feels like Ritz wants to make the manga as gay as she says but her editors aren't letting her or something, so she said it on her blog.
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>>2882520
Her editors forced her to add whatshisface to the cast. So yeah, her editors are not letting her make it as gay as she wants it to be.
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>>2882409
Saki isn't romance though, it's mahjong battle manga.
Relationship isn't as important except for ones that motivates the characters to become allies or enemies.
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>>2882565
Don't you ever get tired?
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>>2882565
>no, IPS statement doesn't contradict the timeline I can't hear you LALALA
It does not. Let it go already, autist.
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>>2882592
>People will eat it up and ask for more.
Yes, I want more confirmations like this. "Tell, Not Show" is better than nothing at all.
Subtext is fine but sometimes it gets ridiculous like in Nanoha's case.
When creators stop being afraid of "Telling", maybe they will also start "Showing".
So yeah, what Ritz did was a step in the right direction and it deserves the praise.
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>>2882566
Autism knows no weariness, Onee-sama.
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>>2882602
Who do you think you're fooling?
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>>2881605
Don't slander Yuuki like that.

Yuuki has found her future girlfriend in Kirame.
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>>2882788
Subara is for NTRing Mairu.
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I keep checking to see if this has generated any new art on pixiv. Not yet, but maybe over the weekend?
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>>2882409
> so it isn't just "additional information".
Only for the construction of the world, relationships are already well established.

>>2882512
There is no contradiction, the only new information is that bisexuals, something that applies to men as well.

>>2882547
>Saki isn't romance though, it's mahjong battle manga.
This is what people need to understand.

>>2882788
Nanpo?

>>2882910
this news did not surprise the real fans, so everything will remain the same, with images on a regular basis and new images when something important happens in Saki or Toki.

So now we have to change the name of heterohayu to Bihayu?
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>>2882990
Establishing that many characters are gay/bisexual does matter for how you view relationships since it lends far more credence to romantic interpretations of those relationships.

And just because it's about mahjong doesn't mean it can ignore characters and their relationships, not unless it wants to be shit. Otherwise why make a story with characters at all.
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I want to know if any amongst /u/s would ever be mad enough to buy a 35000 yen doujin to share with us paupers.

https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1085921212&ref=dos&keyword=%E4%B8%83%E6%98%9F%E7%84%A1%E9%9D%A0
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>>2883006
>bolze.
Not even if it was 1 buck.
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>>2883023
What's wrong with Bolze?
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>>2883023
Yuri is yuri, my friend. The samples look pretty hot.
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>>2883039
He notoriously made that doujin with the Sakura Trick girls getting raped into loving dick more than each other. Pity, because I like the art >>2883006, but not even if it was a buck, as anon said.
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>>2883049
Who cares about what the artist did before, this one looks great.
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>>2883049
I would usually agree in this cases but Sakura Trick is so bad I don't mind.
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>>2883049
>Who cares about what the artist did before
At least 3 of us, apparently.
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>>2883061
Wow, how'd greentext the right post, yet respond to the wrong one.
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>>2883055
This. ST is kitsch garbage.
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>>2882994
Again, how does the interpretation of the relationship affect the main story in any way? Does this information change the way we interpret Saki's motivation for playing mahjong and entering the nationals (seeing Teru again), or other character's reason for playing mahjong and entering the nationals?
As far as I see, nothing has changed so this information is just fluff, good for worldbuilding but it can be left off in an appendix or, in this case, blog post.
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>>2883077
Pretty sure he's actually fairly habitual about dicking yuri/subtext characters, but you guys do you.
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>>2882994
> many characters are gay/bisexual
It was really, the majority is gay and the other little is bi, which is different.
>more credence to romantic interpretations of those relationships.
honestly people would have to be too dense to interpret otherwise, the hetfags form their OTP with fewer bases.

> about mahjong doesn't mean it can ignore characters and their relationships
nobody said that, only that relations are not the focus of the story, they are part of it and they are important, but this is a sports story, you can even see how Bihayu and Toki have opposite approaches about mahjong.

>>2883006
>35000
meanwhile people upload the same generic junk again and again, and the really good Doujins (like this one) end up going ridiculously expensive, at the same time the qualityfags complain about Doujins that they do not read.

>>2883023
>>2883039
>>2883044
The artists can cover different genres, but their styles do not vary much, the author also has doujins from Izetta with NTR futa.

>>2883049
It is understandable, in fact nothing says that Doujin is maintained in this way in all pages, that is why distrust with Bolze.
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>>2883089
Because it affects the relationships between the characters, who are a part of the story, and who are more than just their motivations. At no point did I say it was part of the main story revolving around the nationals but it's not like characters having relationships with one another is just fluffy worldbuilding that doesn't matter.
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>>2883097
>Because it affects the relationships between the characters
It really does not, the relationships remain the same, the only difference is that readers / viewers no longer have any doubt about the nature of those relationships (which is what some Western idiots mostly doubted)
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>>2883102
>shifting goalposts
But, as I explained, it does affect them. This news gives far more weight to, if not confirms, romantic interpretations of the relationships. The whole point of this argument is that this isn't just superfluous "additional information" that can be revealed in some blog post outside of the story.

That said, it makes sense why Ritz did it given that her editors probably won't let her do it in the story itself.
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>>2882823
It's not NTR when it's endorsed by Mairu.
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>>2883091
>the author also has doujins from Izetta with NTR futa
I think that more than anything speaks volumes about his attitude towards yuri relationships, and I'm generally fairly laid back regarding these things.
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>>2883049
>>2883091
I think the most crucial question is, why does he like dicks so much?
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>>2883247
He's a man, so naturally he's obsessed with dicks.
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So this world has:
>Female lead society
>Mahjong magic
>No Pants
>Female gravure audience
>Gayness galore
And this all has made possible for Hajime to dress like she does and for her to be the pet of a rich girl?
BASED
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>>2883267
Ritz dreams of a glorious future.
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>>2882990
Yes, it is a straight contradiction. If the majority of the world is lesbian and bi then why are the only confirmed relationships het? This is one of the worst retcons I have ever seen attempted, and it's all done with a blogpost instead of being in the actual series.
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>>2883267
>No Pants
This actually make sense because it would prevent bacterial vaginosis and yeast infection. And without many men around, I guess women in Saki universe don't feel insecure with walking around butt naked in public.
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I never watched this series but the art is great, why does the one on the right look so familiar though. Like she’s from another series.
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>>2883107
As I said, things are still the same and the only change is how people (intelligent) look at the story, in the end only the obvious is confirmed.

>>2883113
>>2883247
>>2883262
seeing his works well, there is rape, NTR, Futa and a bit of Yuri, but when Otome's Dou has Mahiru-kun, the author loses a lot of credibility.

>>2883267
>>2883533
>>2883550
a theory says that Saki occurs in the Year 2050 (apparently), at what time does that put Bihayu?

>>2883541
is not a retcon, also she talked about people more than the normal population, also confirmed marriage and IPS as something normal, the bi part basically applies already established marriages, therefore there is no contradiction.

>all done with a blogpost instead of being in the actual series.
A serious question, how would you incorporate these elements into the narrative of a series of sports, in addition to a tournament that still does not end, also with a slow Mangaka without feeling like a filler?
It sounds nice on paper, but the execution is somewhat different, so all the important information that the authors of SnK or Jojo do not have any validity?
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>>2883565
Hakka-ya is a huge BuCapfag and she based Eiko on Hisa.
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>>2883581
Is Slow Start worth the read/watch? I didn't even realize it was by Hakka-ya
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>>2883584
Yes, there's a thread up you can take a look there or jump straight to the anime.
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>>2883550
But would touching your fleshy parts to public seating other women's fleshy parts have touched-women who may be het and have had mens fluids on them- really be the most hygienic thing?
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>>2883584
I'd say yes. It's a fairly gay SOL with a bit of fanservice. Best part is Eiko being a dyke.
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>>2883589
That's what miniskirts are for.
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>>2883575
It is 100% a retcon. How the hell can the majority of the population be gay and yet not mention a single lesbian couple at any point in the series and its spinoffs? Why would every single explicit romantic relationship be het? The IPS is directly contradicted, how can it be normal when Yuuki mentions that it is only just being researched?
>A serious question, how would you incorporate these elements into the narrative of a series of sports
Are you fucking serious? It could have been mentioned just like it mentioned all the het relationships. At least one character could have mentioned her two moms like many other characters mentioned their father and mother. IPS was even brought up already, but as the butt of a joke. There was a spinoff that was based around a het relationship and yet when Toki was the best opportunity to finally show an explicit lesbian relationship they turned it into a fucking hamster.
Plenty of opportunities for some world building, but no, seems like the only canon lesbians confirmations we will get from this series is from a fucking blogpost.
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>>2883600
>how can it be normal when Yuuki mentions that it is only just being researched?
Because that was from a bonus chapter so no longer canon.
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>>2883600
You seem overly upset about this good news. Why?
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>>2883603
Sad attempt at trolling. Just ignore it.
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>>2883107
And how does the relationship being romantic, as opposed to just friendship, affects the main story in any way? It doesn't, the main story stays the same regardless of the nature of the relationships. So yes, it is just additional information.
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>>2883541
I guess by "confirmed" you mean the 4-5 father and mother couples where we only see Nodoka's parents talking to each other and based on that moment alone they could pass as collegues who decided to raise a fat kid. On the other hand, almost every relevant team had one pair with obvious romantic interactions, now Ryuuka and Toki just had an after sex panel. There's more stuff other anons pointed out like Nodoka's family moving a lot because of ther mother's job or the boys mahjong skills being shit. Sure it would be much better to have all the worldbulding and kissing/fucking from the get go but it was clear Ritz always wanted to go in this direction. These revelations are hardly minblowing.

Also, probably now the iPS kids are Ryuuka and Saru.
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>>2883049
I've come across this problem before. I'm not much of a fan of Sakura Trick. At least the anime seemed vapid and turned me off it, but that doujin is significantly newer than this one.
I don't think I can bring myself to enjoy a doujin made by someone whose newer works show active disdain for and evil intent to destroy yuri.
I only really enjoy yuri when it's clear through the work that the author is also really into it.
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>>2881262
Knee deep in corpses with a blade in my hand, sweating and bleeding.
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What a great way to start the new era. Sasuga, Ritz.
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What were the comments in 2ch/5ch like? Were they positive?
This could be big as it could change the way producers see Yuri/Lesbianism in anime/manga/LN, and we may start seeing more open yuri than the usual subtext.
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>>2883819
Most threads were congratulating it from what I saw, at lot of people asking if sisters can impregnate each other
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>>2883822
I hope the publisher takes note of the positive reception.
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>>2883822
Since it's done artificially, technically it's doable. It's a different matter to find a professional person willing to do such a thing.
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>>2883822
It would be nice if this reception has an effect on other works like Nanoha, PriPri, TnM and the rest.
I think that character relationships would have far more potential without the subtext limitation - that is, as long as they don't make it a thing to fall back on retarded shoujo manga tier drama for development.
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>>2883819
It's not big. You know the magazine Saki runs in has for several years now already had a series where the lesbian protagonist is fucking various girls?
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>>2883833
What would that manga be?
Also, that's irrelevant, considering Saki's audience isn't limited to the hardcore yuri fans.
The fact that this piece of news has been welcome by plenty of people is really good, no matter how cynical you may try to be.
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>>2883837
>What would that manga be?
Yuricam, I think
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>>2883837
I'm gonna guess Murcielago.
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>>2883829
For the record pripri also got confirmed by the staff including the directo, more than once. Needless to say fans were happy. Good thing both works still have a long way to go so they can get even more blatant. I think Yuyuyu too?
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It's basically declaration that heteronormativity = off. You are now free to consider romantic friendship as actual romance. The basic assumption is now every girls attracted to other girls, it is accepted in larger society, same-sex marriage is legal, and it's possible to conceive children regardless of their sex.

Isn't that wonderful? Of course it does!
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>>2883822
I mean, even without this confirmation you'd have to be pretty deluded to be following Saki until today and still think there isn't any yuri.
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>>2883955
>it was in the anime
It wasn't.
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>>2883955
>the yuri is still up to viewer interpretation.
Plenty of couples like MaiHime and TokiRyuuka are already beyond reasonable doubt.

>hamstershit
Nevermind, you're an actual retard.
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girls who express close bonds, emotions, physical contact all go about doing this in public with nobody batting an eye or calling it out. That a good chunk of them are lesbians is now canon and one idiot thinks there wasn't anything to support this in the anime or manga.

the manga centers around the game and the emotions through the game and the relationships built around the game. don't really need to have someone explicitly say there are lesbian couples fo there to be evidence of what Ritz said.

The IPS thing is debatable but saying that Ritz is BSing the existence of all these lesbians because there's no explicit content in the show is the real BS.
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>>2883959
>TokiRyuuka are already beyond reasonable doubt.
How to tell someone only reads doujins and not the actual series. To deny the hamstershit now is just pathetic.
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>>2883998
Who cares about hamster autism, Toki and Ryuuka are clearly fucking, and that's what matters.
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>>2884013
>They ain't fucking they got a full hamster suit for Toki to wear.
I don't see how those things are mutually exclusive. Ryuuka could be a furfag with a thing for fursuits.
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>>2883600
>how can it be normal when Yuuki mentions that it is only just being researched
Because she doesn't mention that it is only just being researched.
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>>2883023
>>2883049
>not even if it was a buck
Exactly, yuri doesn't sell. Why make it if you wouldn't buy it anyway? That's why artists draw het instead.
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>>2884118
Yuri sells, his reputation doesn't.
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>>2884119
>Yuri sells
I wish.
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>>2881391
If half the cast are IPS babies, why is this the first she's hearing of it? I'm going to vote alcohol on this one, Ritz.
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>>2882087
I like how everyone dogpiles the post despite it being entirely accurate.

>>2882124
Because there's hardly anything in the manga to actually enjoy, yuri-wise. With some exceptions.
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>>2884130
>the tech wasn't developed back then
This is inaccurate.
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>>2884123
They're both born from het couples, the normal way. They're still kids, teenage girls at that. Not all information automatically gets inserted in their memory, it just flows around them while they dream and float.
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>>2884119
Nice rationalisation
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>>2883006
>hundreds of great Saki yuri doujins that aren't scanned
>/u/ only wants to read the one where the girls get dicked halfway through
Never change.
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>>2884202
>>2883023
>>2883049
>>2883091
m8
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>>2882514
>because I felt weird watching it
Lesbian awakening?
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>>2884202
Is that true or are you talking out of your ass, or worse, making shit up because you're bored out of your mind?
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>>2882514
>torrent
If you're not going to pay for it why don't just stream it, at least you then don't have to be bothered to keep the files around.
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>>2884224
There's certainly a very large amount of Saki doujins that have never been scanned. Note that most are sfw, and many have light to no yuri content.

The second > generalizes the entire /u/ based on a single post.
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>>2884233
I'm talking about
> the girls get dicked halfway through
Not sure if the guy has read it or he's just shitposting.
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>>2884237
Whether he has read it or not, I don't think a convicted heretic should be given the benefit of the doubt. Just assume the worst.
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>>2884255
You can tell if a doujin is yuri or het by the cover, and nothing suggests that doujin has het, specially considering how old it is.

>Just assume the worst.
I hate this way of thinking. It never leads to anything good.
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>>2884261
>You can tell if a doujin is yuri or het by the cover
If only
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>>2884261
I think the point of that way of thinking is that it doesn't lead to anything bad
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>>2884315
You can in fact. Nothing in that cover can be taken as a sign of het.
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>>2884372
>PTSD flashbacks of Double Princess
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>>2884427
The what now?
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>>2884372
>You can in fact.
Which is how multiple anons who’ve bought reams of doujinshi have still accidentally picked up the odd het or futanari doujin here and there, right?
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>>2884372
Explain how you can tell which of these doujinshi is yuri from the covers.
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>>2884472
I'm not them but I'm going to guess left is yuri right is het. Did I win?
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>>2884472
I wouldn't be surprised if they were both het, but if you are playing fair, right has worse art so I think it's the Yuri
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>>2884472
Left has a soft artstyle with bright colours, and a floral frame. Right has dark colours and an angular artstyle not often sen in yuri. Saki and Nodoka appear to be worried and sweaty in contrast to Toki and Ryuuka's happy and relaxed expressions.

>>2884488
Left is yuri and it's fucking great.

https://exhentai.org/g/571583/2c83490f45/
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>>2884465
Life is unpredictable. Black Swans happen every now and then.
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>>2884499
You mean

>You will deal into a baiman+ hand every now and then
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>>2884492
They both have panties so they're both shit.
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>>2884492
Don't be an idiot wasting your time giving an obviously bullshit post hox justification that realistically doesn't work in general.
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>>2884472
The right says Saki x Nodoka so it's probably yuri.
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>>2884515
>>2884472
If it has flowers, and a predominant white colour, it's most likely yuri (flowers & white=lily= purity, yada yada).
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>>2884516
I think it says Saki & Nodoka, and given how I can find it under yuri on SadPanda, it's most likely het.
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>>2884530
>I think it says Saki & Nodoka
So what, I would've definitely checked it.
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>>2884255
>>2884202
>>2883023
>>2883049
It has girls kissing in the cover for fuck's sake.
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>>2884229
>streaming
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Aren't half the dicks in Bolze's yuri-pair books futa? Just saying, maybe if someone draws straight, cis, gay, and trans porn maybe it's lame to try and label them as a homophobe? Porn as art is different in doujin culture than if you just go to pornhub and search "lesbian gets DICKED"
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>>2884558
Pretty sure a number of anons have already said their disinterest isn't predicated on whether there's surprise dicks in it.
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>>2884640
I know, I just don't like people spreading bullshit.
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>>2884665
But posting bolze is what started all this in the first place :^)
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>>2884666
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>>2884472
Many answered you anon, so which is it?
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>>2884627
>actually, drawing lesbians getting dicked is progressive!
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>>2884723
Diagnosis: Poor reading comprehension.
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>>2884729
Japan doesn't view futa as anything resembling trans, it's a fetish for people who need dicks in their porn.

And Bolze has done doujins of yuri pairs getting dicked by men, and if you want to defend that maybe you can find another board to do it on.
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>>2884731
>Japan doesn't view futa as anything resembling trans
This is such a terrible sweeping generalization and assumes the view of the majority is the 'proper' one, which is pretty fucked up thinking for someone claiming a moral ground for lesbian porn.

Like, do you want me to point out that most yuri is labeled by online comic stores as "for men", or what?

Using your logic:
Saki shouldn't be on this board. It's serialized in a Seinen magazine. The fact that it's marketed toward a male-majority demographic means that the lesbians are intended for consumption by horny men who jack off to the pages where a girl sends an orgasm to her friend via telepathy. Note how Ritz said 20% of the gay population is bisexual: this could potentially mean every Saki character exists to be dicked by men. Horny dudes are the marketed majority so they represent the entire market for Saki. No other points of view are allowed. Lesbian women? They don't matter, since they're the minority.

Do you not see the flaws and the bigotry in that line of thinking?
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>>2884742
This is someone false flagging, right?
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>>2884742
>20% of the gay population is bisexual
Thought it was 20% of the whole population
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>>2884750
I'm not a great JP reader but what I saw in blogpost reactions was an initial wave of people using machine TLs and going "oh, 20% are bi" and then after them some people went, "well hang on, she says over half the population are gay, then says 20% of that are bisexual" and I just trusted that addendum since I saw that interaction in a few different threads.
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>>2884742
>Note how Ritz said 20% of the gay population is bisexual
Note how she didn’t say that, she was talking about characters that actually appear in the manga, married people included.
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So I can finally be so happy when eating my pretzels while taking a shower or in bed hmph.
Ok there.
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>>2884731
>Bolze has done doujins of yuri pairs getting dicked by men
I checked and it's only Sakura Trick, so I don't really care lol.
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>>2884731
Your reading comprehension is still bad.
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>>2884824
So's your 'point' tho
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>>2884823
That may be the only one where they both get fucked, but he has a number of others where explicitly lesbian characters get dicked and plenty of characters from subtext anime. He even has Shizuru fucking Manshiro, of all the abominable combinations. In fact, nothing pops up for females only, so he literally can't get through a doujin without putting a dick in it apparently. More power to you if that doesn't spoil his girls fucking appetiser for you, but for those of us who it does it's hardly a baseless reaction.
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>>2884838
>explicitly lesbian characters get dicked and plenty of characters from subtext anime
I didn't really see any other than ST.

>He even has Shizuru fucking Manshiro
I don't know who those are.

>In fact, nothing pops up for females only, so he literally can't get through a doujin without putting a dick in it apparently
Some of those are futa though.
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>>2884846
>>He even has Shizuru fucking Manshiro
>I don't know who those are.
Get the fuck out.
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>>2884847
Make me.
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>>2884742
Since you're such a genius maybe you can explain how dicking lesbians isn't bigotry.

I'll wait.
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>>2884838
also the rape and NTR tendency that the author has, even the author could implement the other method that is used, you have the Doujin Yuri and a few pages with Het that is outside the continuity of the Doujin, it happens quite often.

Many Het artists also do 1 or 2 Yuri Doujins, but they are exceptions and their work is still here, as well as the artists who mix both with the same characters.

>>2884131
>>2884114
It was even mentioned that they existed, not that they were in development, what the hell is wrong with people who do not know how to read and act like idiots for what they do not understand?

>>2883829
>>2883872
I hope this helps them to be less cowardly with these issues.
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>on Nodoka's iPS line
Or maybe, just maybe, she didn't know the tech was long since already implemented. She doesn't seem to be the type to really care about things other than mahjong and Saki.
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>>2884996
although she spoke of IPS, but not to mention that this one in development, only that it exists, that it can be interpreted as something that is already in execution.

>mahjong and Saki.
at that time she did not know Saki, so...


249/5000
I also remember something funny in retrospect, in Kuro's OVA, Toki talks about the elegance of Ryuuka's house (I do not remember the exact words) but makes clear reference to the condo and this was before Toki's manga, Ritz knows what she does .
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>>2885029
That doesn't make sense if generations of lesbians had already been producing kids. It would just be a normal part of sex ed, not something high schoolers would be shielded from.

Like, you can just accept that Ritz did a retcon, it's blatantly obvious that she did, and guess what? I love it. I'm proud of her. Everyone here should be so brave to say "gay rights>internal consistency"
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>>2885354
I'll add that I don't think she just sprung this out of nowhere,, that it came up somewhere between the start of Saki and now. She had that blogpost two years ago where she said none of the Saki chars had 'lost their virginity' (in JP by definition this means to have 'experienced men') including some moms and grandmas. Now we know what she meant.
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>>2884996
Nodoka is an extremely online person, no way she doesn't know iPS conception if it's already mainstreamed.
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>>2885465
The picture drama version of the line actually does say she read it on the net. The manga version just says "rashii", which could mean that she learn it recently or that it was a new possibility. Ritz's post just clarifies it was the former.

Remember, Saki manga translations for the first 100 or so chapters are rife with errors, don't take them as absolute evidence. Compare different sources if possible.
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>>2885354
As it was told >>2885356
there is no retcon, the new information does not conflict with anything already established, such as Poke Supe.

>>2885465
>Nodoka is an extremely online person
She's a pervert and she knows it's a porn movie, so...

>>2885471
>Compare different sources if possible.
The problem is people who, even with good translations and reliable information, refuse to accept anything that they do not like.
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Does anyone have that copypasta of lesbian mahjong power levels?
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>>2884492
>are you cold
Did Meki*2 take this as inspiration?
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>>2886003
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>>2885922
Funny how Teru turned out to be a total autist.
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>>2886145
I don't get the last sentence about Nanoha.
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>>2887091
I think maybe it refers to the insistence of the Nanoha staff to never answer anything related to the Yuri (Nanoha x Fate)
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>>2886145
>Satou Sei
Now that's a name that I've not been hearing for a long time.
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>>2888339
Here's your (you)
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I reuploaded the doujin collection, adding new releases and removing some trash.

https://mega.nz/#!N2YggK7J!_Kjay1H6Q_U6lSFrGLKn8Q8YONumZ1peizLEQ7QTUEA
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>>2890306
It's funny how clothes contrasts so many things, especially knowing who the pervert is.

>>2890313
>3.14 GB
Any additional information?
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>>2890399
Here's a folderlist.




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