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>previously it took super long to get epics
>you had to be hardcore/skilled
>only the guys with really big billy even got near a legendary weapon

>legion = every casual braindamaged kek has 3 legendaries
>0 skill and time required

What the fuck Blizzard?
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>>377425025
I still don't have a legendary
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>>377425025
Why do u hate fun?
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>>377425701
Why do u think easy epics = fun?
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>>377425785
Kiddies can't have to too hard nowadays or else they will just look for something else to spend their mother's credit card on.
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>>377425025

A group of 10 competent people could carry 30 braindead retards through MC/Onyxia for free epics.

Legendary weapons were RNG and a popularity/DKP hoarding contest

Legion is meh, but implying epics/legendaries took skill at any point in WoW is pretty hilarious.
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>>377425785
Why do you think hard epics = fun?
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>>377425025
>WoW still doesn't have player housing with npc wives and race-mixing.
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>>377426543
>tfw no Panda wife
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>>377426296
Was Naxx gear more impressive at the end of vanilla or at the beginning of WoTLK? Why?
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>>377425025
Cause legendaries are BADASS
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>>377425025
>people STILL play this ancient casualized game
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>previously it took super long to get epics
>you had to be hardcore/skilled
>only the guys with really big billy even got near a legendary weapon

None of this was ever true, though

When epics were the most rare, the skill required to be a prestigious raider was non-existent, you only had to put in time. Legendary items were just RNG. Personal skill didn't become a requirement until mid-Wrath when Ulduar started experimenting with hardmode encounters, and we were well into the welfare epics by then
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>>377426703
Why do you think that you should be rewarded for spending hours and hours in front of a computer screen?

Your way of thinking is why everyone thinks of WoW players as fat ugly virgins
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>>377425025
>It took super long to get epics.
Because you were competing with up to ten other people for category specific ones.
>You had to be hardcore/skilled
You have no idea how many profoundly retarded people I saw in BLW and BT. Hardcore? Yes, you had to not have a night life. Wednesday night you'd be on for six hours straight. Some guilds ran raids every night. There's a reason you'd see people burn out and quit WoW. There was nothing skillful about it. Rotation and memorization. As a human being repetitive tasks are inherently understandable.
>Only some guys got near legendary.
You don't understand Legendaries. They were the crux of rng and any guild that got lucky enough for the stars to align could get their MT thunderfury (because nobody else was allowed near it) with ease. You could be running MC for months without any of halves dropping. I saw only one half drop ONCE.

Do you suck the dick of guys who win a jackpot?

>Legion
Defending Legion for just a bit, every single fight in its dungeons are more complex and engaging than the vast majority of Vanilla WoW's fights. They are simply tuned to be snooze-fests on anything but heroic.
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>>377426296
Accomplishments are fun anon. It's not an accomplishment if you put no effort to get something.
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>>377425025
just use some colourblind mode and you won't notice a difference
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>>377426931
>stating opinions and rewrites of history as fact makes them true
Individual responsibilty during a raid was a thing since MC and only improved from there.
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>>377427196
>YES I FINALLY GOT MY EPIC AFTER SPENDING A WEEK IN GAME!
no thanks
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>>377427356
Sorry we disagree then.
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>>377425025
I only have 2 legendaries. I'm Ilvl 875 and I've only done LFR, so that's enough to tell you about the state of the game.
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>>377425701
>>377426296
>>377427076
>>377427356
The cancer killing MMOs the genre is dead because it caters to casual cunts like this
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>>377425025
>legion = every casual braindamaged kek has 3 legendaries
>0 skill and time required

Does lying on the internet make you feel better?
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>enjoying legion

>can't find a guild to raid with

It hurts rejoining mid tier
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>>377427498
>so that's enough to tell you about the state of the game.

That you're up to 50ilvls lower than a mythic raider and think 875 is good? Yeah. That it apparently has brain daamged players like yourself

875 isn't even in the same plane of existence as proper raiding gear.
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>>377427534

And games that don't suffer or die because these casual cunts don't want to ever git gud.
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>>377427498
>have 2 items from the RNG leggo syste,
>I have a shitty item level

wew lad
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>>377427076
>Why do you think that you should be rewarded for spending hours and hours in front of a computer screen?
Why shouldn't you be? WoW is an inherently social game so why shouldn't players who spend more time playing it and working toward achievements have more than players who don't?

When I played during vanilla I was never an AQ-Naxx tier raider, but seeing that gear gave me something to look forward to. It stratified the serious players from the casuals, same with Rank 10-13 PvP gear (until it was put on a vendor).
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>>377427076
wow you sound like real early 2000 with that 'fat ugly vigin' trope, shits been casual for so long. Its the only MMO the casual market knows widely.

Do you forget that that shit is still a subscription? Theres your answer to why you should be rewarded fucktard

subscription * time invested = gains
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>>377425025

>2017
>STILL playing WoW
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>>377427817
>wow you sound like real early 2000 with that 'fat ugly vigin' trope

Get out and never come back.
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>>377427534
>>377427651
>>377427785
>>377427817
>REEEEEEEEE YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND 500 HOURS MASSACRING YOUR POSTURE AND BACK SITTING IN FRONT OF A MONITOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN?? FUCKING CASUAL GET OUT OF MY FUCKING MMOS

no my friends, you are the cancer killing MMOs
you gear-loving casual fucks are the worst thing that has ever happened to videogames, they should reward skill, not time invested
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>>377427356
Then don't play the fucking game if you don't like it. Don't come over and try to change it to suit you, like your ilk did.
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>>377427076
How do people like this come to 4chan in the first place
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Why are vanilla toddlers always so jealous of retail wow? I swear every wow thread has vanilla players moaning about how easy it is despite playing on vanilla.
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>>377428079
Stop acting like a bitch; you never formulate an argument, just respond with mockery and shaming. Kill yourself, brainlet.
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>>377428079
Go play fighting games or rts the closest thing mmos have ever got to being "skill based" is difficult raiding
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>>377425025
My friend plays wow still and it's pathetic. He has hardly any life and the game is just bad. I did heroic EN at the start of the expansion and it was the most boring shit ever.
Let the losers burn their lives away in it. We don't have good mmos anymore
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>>377426620
>you'll never have a panda wife
>she'll never pamper you after a long raid with beer, food and a massage
>the massage will always end with a happy ending
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>>377428450
You see I'm pretty ok with the ideas of a thick wife but the fur thing is just keeping me away.
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Legion was fun for a while but it got boring after I got my first legendary, mainly cause my guild sucked at raiding and my servers in general sucked at progression.

Plus it's just too much of a streamlined theme park MMO now and lacks the immersion it had up until the first content patches in Cata.
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>>377428431
Fake and gay.

You play wow still, you don't have any friends. Don't lie to me.
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>>377428450
>>377426620
>tfw you'll never impregnate your panda wife with human-panda hybrids
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>>377427076
Because we have a great society of capitalism and we can spend our money any way we want to? Fuck off
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>>377428091
>>377428157
>>377428209
>>377428249
I'm sorry, but more time = best does not make for a good game
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>>377425025
>every fucking MMO has gone from hard work to instant gratification because of the autistic millenials being old enough to shuck out money for games
>XIV is perfect show of this, offering literally nothing stimulating besides kawaii graphics and cargirls and reaping in that cash shop money from selling ingame assets
>People are honestly surprised that WoW picked up on how braindead the playerbase is and made every class almost impossible to fuck up
>WoW also keeps people playing with the EPIC .001% Legendary drop rates, necessitating constant play to possibly get the 2 that make your spec do it's full damage

Strap in kids, thanks to the weebs funding Stormblood, MMORPGs are only dying faster.
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>>377428825
What about difficult raid encounters that force you to work together with other people? Instead of just grinding dailies for years
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>>377427196
clearly you have not done mythic nighthold.
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>tfw I miss playing my warlock
>tfw Blizzard took away my warlock from me over ten years ago
GIVE HIM BAAAACCKK!!!!!
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>>377427196
I want to BREED with Draenei chicks.
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>>377428607
I know that feeling

I finished emerald nightmare on normal and got 4 bosses down in heroic and stopped due to normies not having time.

>>377428882
Calm down autismo your opinions aren't fact
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>>377428787
>You will never rub her soft, warm, swollen belly filled with your healthy children.
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>>377428079

>implying they didnt

yes, yes, just sitting in front of your screen for 10 hours would've got you AQ/Naxx gear.

keep dreaming you casual scum. The high tier Vanilla Raids where harder than any HC/whatever bullshit they pull now.
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>>377425025
>previously it took super long to get epics
Yeah, if 'previously' means going all they way back to vanilla to you.
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>>377427076
Typical normalfag thinking. "Durr I want everything at click of button", disgusting. People like you are what makes the game industry worse with your constant whining and faggotry.

Fuck you and kill yourself.
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>>377429343
Oh god the delusion of this lol I can tell you are a private server cuck
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>Gear is what makes a game good
You could be decked out in Tier 6 gear back in TBC earned from blood and sweat and the game would still be shit without a fun guild to be a part of.
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>>377429538
>MMOrpgs are at their best when playing with other people

WHAT

A

CONCEPT
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>>377429484
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE HAS THE SAME ITEM I HAVE? B-B-B-B--B-B-B-B-UT I SPEND A MONTH OF MY LIFE CLICKING ON ENEMIES TO GET IT!!!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRR

cancer
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>>377427076
>why do you think you should be rewarded for hard work and dedication, when you can get it from a slot machine and gibs me dat.

you are a liberal aren't you?
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>>377427972
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>>377428547
Go dwarf
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>>377429691
I'm trying to figure out what your argument is.

Do you want mmos to just give free gear or something?
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>tfw still playing vanilla wow in the current year
Life is good. Except it's constant pure suffering because there hasn't been a good server around since Nostalirus died, and Crestfall isn't going to release ever.
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>>377425025
Character progression is basically extinct. It's all been replaced by IL.
>Learning new spell ranks every 2 levels, having to go to city
>Learning new talent point every level
>Meaningful gear upgrades
>Weird, unique gear that didn't just increase your main stat
>Meaningful gameplay mechanics like actual mana conservation, consumables, aggro mechanics, hit chance, defense rating, resistances, etc
>Classes were unique. If your class didn't top damage you were brought anyways to decurse/tranq/ect. Unlike now where you just stack the best dmg class.
Probably some other shit. Vanilla wow is better in every single way. Face it Blizzdrones.
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>>377428825
youre just deflecting. you were never good enough (of course in combination with availability) to do well or get far and so you came up with an excuse for yourself.

also, you didnt have to raid every day, that was only for being the very top. i was in a raiding guild in vanilla, and we were typical, always a bit behind the very best. maybe a tier behind on content, but it was fun and we only raided 2 or 3 times a week.
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>>377430437
remember when it was worth it while leveling to go out of your way to try to get blue quest rewards as early as possible?
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>>377430950
there will never be a blue weapon that has been responsible for as much death and chaos as pic related
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>>377430437
Vanilla raiding was boring and had very little mechanics vanillatoddler lol
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>>377431182
>im fucking plying
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>>377425025
>Less skills
>less talents

seriously I hopped back on to see if any of my old friends still played, and my warlock has like 5 offensive spells. The last time I played, I had 1-9 bound with offensive spells, and I still had more lined up. How the fuck do people play this game now???
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>>377431276
>Best gear is gotten from keystones
>Raid gear is shit
>Mythic raiding is determined by legendaries and artifact power
>DBM nerfed so boss mechanics are a joke
>Melee literally do nothing all fight
Sure thing bud, having fun with wow dying where the end only has Pandafags.
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>>377431603
on a tablet
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>>377431876
yeah that makes sense
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>>377430437

Best post so far.
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>>377427356
IKR getting rewarded for doing something epic should be easy
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>>377431603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVYBU5Az_qU
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>>377431603
>less talents

The tiered talent system isn't great but as far as actual diversity goes it's no worse than the classic or cata talents. The fact of the matter is that no matter what talent system you use there is always going to be a cookie cutter build that everyone who isn't a shitter is going to use. The difference is with the new talents you may need to swap out on a per encounter basis and some people really hate doing that.
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>>377429027
What did you do for them to take him away?
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When is Jaina going to genocide the irk scum?
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>>377432170
>some people really hate doing it
Cata had it best. It was simple, but it was complex enough to fit whatever play style someone wanted

This is a talent catalog now. It's pathetic. This game is being dumbed down to ridiculous proportions.
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>>377425025
I don't think Blizzard realized it wasn't about having the legendaries, it was about having something no one else did. By definition, the concept that makes having these items rewarding is only available to a select few.

Sure, by tossing more out into public, you're giving a short term burst of excitement, but after you've seen three dozen people carting around the Ashbringer, it loses all of its meaning and now you've got people looking for the next fix.
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>>377432126
Will this work on earlier versions?
my guess is hell no but worth asking.
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>>377431694
You are implying a lot of things that aren't correct. Please stay on your containment private server sweetie!
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>>377432351
When she suddenly feels like dropping epics so players can facefuck her weekly
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>>377432405
I've seen it actually. Requires a lot of finagling, and the shoulder buttons were used to bring up 1-5 etc etc, but it works.
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>>377432170
>vanilla cookie cutter builds
nice meme
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>>377432556
neat
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>>377425025
>previously it took super long to get epics
You could literally buy T1 pieces on the AH for like 30 gold
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>>377426273
NOT IN THE CLIQUE?

NO LEGENDARY FOR YOU BOOBOO!
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Been with the game since the beginning. Still play it. I don't see it dying anytime soon. When it does however, I will gently lay it to rest and move on with my life.
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>>377432289
Made expansions that killed him.
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>playing the sjw casual dogshit game in 2017
tbc launching this weekend, get ready boys
and don't worry, leveling rates are x5 so the casual /v/ermins don't burn out after lvl 22
https://www.warmane.com/
[shill]we waiting u[/shill]
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>>377432632
>still play it
HOW!? It's dumbed down babby tier at this point. How do you still find enjoyment in it??? honestly asking, no shitposting.
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>>377425025
>Epics are easy to get now
>NOW
Nigger epics have been easy to get since BC.

Hell you could buy epics for barely nothing in vanilla.
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>>377432384

You are literally comparing clicking 41 times vs 7.

Everything is always mathed out, there is always a best build if you are serious about raiding. The most amount of diversity you found in the old system was very minor personal preference swaps or shit like only one paladin taking improved BoK and one priest taking Divine Spirit.
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>>377432126
>Dude fucking around in a stat squished zone several expacs ago killing trash means you can totally play WoW with a controller guys
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>>377425025
MMOs died when they became about the endgame content instead of the journey to max level with your friends.
That kind of experience can't be had anymore. And the replacement just doesn't feel as fun or rewarding.

>tfw you will never level 1-60 over the course of several months with your best friends again
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>>377432586
It was a cookie cutter though with little difference in fights

>>377432704
>Paytowinmane

Fuck those guys and their shitty server
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>>377432829
>>tfw you will never level 1-60 over the course of several months with your best friends again
>several months
took me a year to level my fucking level 60 tank. leveling a tank was the worst thing I ever did in that goddamn game
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>previously it took super long to get epics
ITT underage retards who didn't play vanilla
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>>377425025
I'm not 16 anymore, I'm an adult with a job, I have other obligations and other things going on in life and can no longer play 12 hours a day. In Legion I can play an hour or two a day on average, enjoy myself and progress. If that makes kids like you upset because you feel like the hours and hours you spend pouring into the videogame are undervalued so be it, I don't care.
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I want some feedback:
>Vanilla WoW
>Warlock
Is 250dmg a second decent?
I did the math and my Drain Life will do 250 a tick for 1250dmg every time I cast it.
Now add in other DoTs and the fact that I have SL, does this sound like a good idea?
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>>377432740
>How do you still find enjoyment in it?
Mythic raiding and the people I play with. I'm on a high pop server and only 30 guilds are 10/10.
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>>377432917
you literally copied that from a forum post.
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I wish WoW let you cut PvE all the way out, like in GW2 where you can create a lvl 1 and pvp instantaneously.

And why the hell would they ever choose to base everything on procs/crits? Burst output is so random.

Otherwise PvP is pretty fun, once you get there. PvE can suck a dick though, D2 baalruns was more fun.
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>>377432740
Nigga, this game had a point where you would literally spam ONE spell for 99% of the time you played.

Played a Warlock did you? Alright.

Afflock. As a part of your standard rotation you're using
Soul Effigy,
Agony,
Siphon Life,
Corruption,
Unstable Affliction,
Reap Souls,
Drain Soul,
Life Tap.

This is of course ignoring resources, multidotting, etc. Babby tier? Fuck off.
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>>377432740
Nigger I raided all of MC on my mage with 1 spell.

My druid only cast 1 spell to heal also
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>>377432998
Are you on illidan?
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>>377432914
Well yeah, you just entered the topic.
>implying it wouldn't be master looted to the guild leader and profits headed straight to guild funds
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>>377432790
There's plenty of vids where people do PvP with a controller and it works pretty well.
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>>377433076
Yes I did, and I can tell you right now I had a lot more to do than just spam one fucking spell. If you spammed one spell you must have been the most useless warlock ever

Do you raid with this guy? >>377433161
He must be a useless healer too
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>>377433162
yep, there isn't much choice these days if you want to play on a PvP horde server.
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>>377433223
Nigger tell me what spells resto druids could cast to heal in vanilla.

Please enlighten us
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>>377433076
What are
>Haste caps
>Hit caps
>Expertise
>Spell pen
>Mp5
Must be nice not having to improve your character. Have fun being benched by the most OP dps class atm.
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>>377433223
How to spot someone who didn't raid in vanilla the post.
If a lock cast corruption on a boss he got kicked
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>>377433305
No one actually knows, everyone with a brain played hybrid. The rest are dead because they couldn't read safety labels.
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>>377433330
Oh, you wanted to delve into all the shit I didn't mentioned, too? Because stats certainly come into it, and itemization is critical.

But we were talking about spells. You want to deflect onto other bullshit thats your problem.
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>>377427196
i really don't get the argument of "epics were supposed to be an accomplishment"

yeah, epics aren't too big of an accomplishment, but have people also considered that the ilvl of the epics are what you should be looking at, not the color of the text of the item your getting?

it might not be an accomplishment to get an ilvl 845 epic, but it definitely is if you're getting ilvl 905 epics for doing mythic NH, or 900+ for doing Mythic+10s. you guys are missing the point
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>Create a new spec
>make it unique, fun to play, way more active than every other classes keyboard DDR
>this triggers autists, megacasuals (since havoc was by no means difficult) and BRs with shit tier internet
>Blizzard ruins the spec with an """"Alternative""""" build using Nemesis that leagues better than Momentum

Hows things looking for Havoc in 7.2? If they bring back mometnum i'd come back
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>>377433401
>If a lock cast corruption on a boss he got kicked
I fucking hate the WoW player base so much.
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>>377433223
If you were a vanilla lock then your job was literally to apply curse of the elements. That and farming soulshards an hour before raid so you could summon people and have soulstones up.
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>>377433452
>everyone with a brain played hybrid
Wat

Feral druids were awful and Balance was strictly worse than mage. Resto was the only semi viable spec

>>377433523
Nigger if a lock cast corruption then Curse of Elements or Sunder was falling off. You knock sunder off and you are wiping the raid you dumb faggot.

If you played vanilla like you claim you would know there were debuff caps.
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>>377431296
5 mana 5/3 weapon
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>>377433523
>40 player raid
>8 debuff slots
>Way more important debuffs than a small DoT that get shoved off

Are you seeing the issue
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>>377428578
So they went and made MoP.
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>>377433523
Did you really make it through all of vanilla and never knew about the debuff limit?

Did you just not raid or what.
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>>377433471
The only thing that matters in modern wow is IL, legendaries, and artifact power. You don't even have to enchant anything other than 3 things anymore. The only thing that is optional is trinkets, rings, and necks. Gems are rng.
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>>377433523
Because that Lock could screw over the entire raid.

If you knew anything about vanilla wow you'd understand why any lock was told "no corruption" when they got their spot.
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>>377433076

50 damage spells, 2 utility spells.
>MMORPG in 2017
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>>377433613
Resto was gay, hybrid was great in PvP(disregarding PMR). And bear was the best flagrunner, cat was good in a team.
Don't talk shit about vanilla druids, they weren't just for carebears.
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>>377433261
I know the feeling. I just got to this tier and feel pretty lost on what guild to join since most are progressing mythics
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>>377433692
>I know absolutely fucking nothing, the post
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>>377433401
How come?
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>>377433613
>>377433669
>>377433683
>>377433696
>use spell, intentionally or not
>get kicked
Yep, sounds like a shitty bunch of people to me.
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>>377433845
Link your armory you Pandanigger.
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>>377433729
Utility like Ritual of Summoning, Soulstone, Create Soulwell, Demonic Gateway, Eye of Kilrogg, Enslave Demon or Banish? :^)
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>>377433881
>Yep, sounds like a shitty bunch of people to me.
I'd kick you for your shitty attitude. Actually i probably wouldn't seeing as you wouldn't get the invite in the first place thanks to armory.
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>>377432914
>Implying they wouldn't be snapped up instantly and doled out
>implying anything but the vast minority of players could afford the ones that weren't
>implying you could get anything near a full set of epics for the same time and effort raiding would get you them
>implying this scarcity didn't reinforce the fact that they were actually valuable
I love the "smug retard accidentally proves everyones point" episode
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>>377433471

For stats you get a stat string and an addon literally tells you what is a direct upgrade for you. There is no thought involved past the (simple) setup phase.
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>>377433881
>39 other people commit time and effort to accomplish a goal
>one retard fucks it up because he want's to hit a button
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>>377433881
>Get told why you should never ever cast this spell
>like your raid leader explains it in detail and tells you to take it off your bar.
>you cast it anyways
>wipe the raid

People make mistakes, but if you're casting corruption in any semi-experienced raid group- you're a trolling faggot that deserves the boot. That one wipe can easily end progress due to respawns.

And if you raided in Vanilla you would know what special sort of hell it is to buff 40 people after your lock did something unfathomably stupid.
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>>377434093
>For stats you get a stat string and an addon literally tells you what is a direct upgrade for you

HAHAHAHAH, you use Pawn?

oh, shit anon. Yeah, you're a shitter. None of those programs are accurate and you're a moron for following them.
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After 8 level 110s all 890+ gear I can say to you all legion sucks dick, don't play it.

JUST GRIND AP FAMPAI
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>>377432657
He was such a cool character to this day I wish they made a salve maker class.
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>>377434041

Are you listing spells that you don't even bother equipping because the game is deliberately built to not need them at any point?
Because if you aren't then i don't know what your post is about.
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>>377434272
>all 890+ gear
Is that supposed to be an accomplishment
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>>377433860
Bosses had a debuff limit, new debuffs would knock old ones off. So you could knock sunder off killing tank threat and lowering rogue and hunter dps.

Healers were also fucked with spells, you could only have 1 total renew on a target, they didn't stack. So generally there was one priest/druid who kept renew/rejuv rolling while everyone else spammed Greater Heal/HT and rank 5 heals.

Vanilla raiding as a caster was mages spamming frostbolt and wanding, locks spamming shadowbolt and wanding, and balance was an innervate bot until they made it baseline.
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>>377434314
All of those apart from Eye are used, niglet.

Pretty sure apart from exploits Eye was never really used, either.
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>>377434247

They are accurate if you set them up properly and sim for them. But you clearly don't know shit about itemization if you believe the Legion system is complicated so who the fuck cares what you think?
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>>377434193
>did something unfathomably stupid
This is the way you think of video games? If someone makes a mistake you immediately boot them?
What a shitty player base. No wonder WoW is dying. Maybe now you autists can bully people in some other way.
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1/2
Listen, yuo fuckign casual scums, the problem is that you think paying for game = giving everything to you on golden plate

When i was starting playing wow as teenager, parents told me to work for sub. So i worked like normal mature person 4h per day 5x in week (+school) So i was going to school at 8, working to 18.00, homework etc so i basicaly played wow maybe 2-3h per day + weekend

And i had fucking time to level rogue and warrior. Learned how to tank dungeons, droped it because i needed much more time to tank raids. As rogue i farmed dungeons, later farmed consumables, because you fucking needed to be prepared to raid, so enjoy farming and crafting resistance gear, consumables fot attack power etc while being ganked by alliance in wintersping because eveyone needed that fucking green potion from furblogs
And wow was the msot casual mmo around, because games like lineage2 everquest etc would shit on me for playing 2-3h. And reaching max level in 2 months? What a fucking easy game. And later TBC and wotlk with much more casual-friendly improvements

And now, fuckign retards on blizz forum cry about muh work, muh time and why it takes so long to clear raid in 2-3h max. Classes are dumbed down. Where is class specific buffs? Deleted in wod or legion prepatch? Where is your roles like rogue saping mobs in pack, dwarven priests casting fear wards, warlock giving summoning stones, castin curse of tongues on casters? Every fucking pack is now dont stand in fire + cc shit. When at naaru boss in SWP healer couldn't keep up with heals it was not because they're shit or undergeared, but because shit hit the fan with difficulty.
Older raids were not hard. Now with so many mechanci its harder. But raid was this special time, where everyone farmed thigns and prepared themself to do. Before crossrealm was introduced, i known who the fucking high warlord on my server is becaus eguy was present at every big battle.
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>>377434616
2/2
Ah yes, you know shit about world pvp because everyone just drop to do WQ and fly away.
LFR was introduced because socializing in MMO was too ahrd to you
Classes and races are now dumbed down because learning and mastering your class/spec was too fucking hard for you
Geting prepared for raid/dungeon was deleted because using your mind to do this was to hard
Specials like high warlod title, scarab lord, hand of a'dal, legendary weapons like sulfuras, quel'theral bow is nothing, ebcause you cried about thing you are not allowed to obtain, blaming that game is unfair

That game is like olympic, theres hudnreds of prepared to enter qualifications. Only the best get in and best of the ebst, fucking world champions get bronze/silver/gold medal
And you, fatass lazy cunts, cant run more than 1km and cry why cant you get gold
Now wow is a paraolympic race with 1km distance, where most players can get gold. But that gold is worthless and you cry about game being bad. game is not bad, you, worthles cunts entitled to everything, are bad. If i fuck you up in arena with same gear as you, thats your failure and crying on blizz forum changes nothing. Champions will clear mythic raids and earn best scores in arena, but fucking casual scums will always cry, like piece of shit. WoW is now a fucking gear ilvl fest plus added artifact traits. Because everything that mattered was deleted and only gear level remains. Legion pvp at the start just showed all that even with same class and same gear, people loose 1500 to 0 because they're fucking trash. Yes casuals, you are that fucking trash

I fucking hate you with a passion, because now nobody will make a decent game that requires player to learn how to git gut, better make some moba or competetive shits, because something more complex obviously wont sell
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>>377434504
So you're saying that these addons couldn't exist for Vanilla, or any other expac for that matter?
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>>377428578
>hurf durf one character per guild MIGHT get a legendary
Oh fuck off. There's no point to them even existing at that.
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>>377434616
>>377434695
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>>377434508
Yes. Welcome to hardcore raiding in Vanilla.

Anyone stupid enough to go completely against their raid leader's verifiable factual knowledge isn't allowed in the group. Nobody is here to spend an extra three hours on a boss because of one special, little retard.
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>>377434074
BoEs from MC went for nothing on my server by the time BWL was out.
Half of the reason for that was T1s stats were worse than many blues from Strat/UBRS but point stands.
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>>377434508
>WoW is dying because of a 13 year old mechanic that was removed about 11 years ago was crucial to understand and play around at the time and people who purposefully ignored this greatly hindered high level raid progress

Wow, great insight.
WoW is dying because it started catering to the subhumans that couldn't understand such simple mechanics, not that I think the 8 debuff limit was good, but if you can't understand why why that means don't cast your shitty spells, then you shouldn't be raiding or doing high level content.
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>>377434508
>If someone makes a mistake you immediately boot them?
A mistake is forgetting a potion, getting distracted during a trash pull, or letting a buff run out.
If you do the precise opposite of what you're told in an interactive game, in an area which requires cohesion to succeed and punishes fuck ups harshly?
Yeah, your dumb ass is getting kicked, because you're clearly a ticking time bomb that's probably going to tab target the Flamewalker healer with a DoT.
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>>377431276
atmosphere & immersion due to complexity of leveling > raids
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>>377434616
>rogue
>complain about being ganked
I stop read right there.
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>>377434812
>T1 stats.

Fucking hilarious.
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>>377434971
>im casual and i dont know shit about farming potion in wintersping without full party to fend off alliance/horde doing the same

thanks for showing up shitter
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>>377434759

It's harder for them to exist when every stat is not a throughput increase.
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>>377435137
>i'm a shitty rogue who don't look around me
thanks for showing up shitter
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>>377432829
>That kind of experience can't be had anymore. And the replacement just doesn't feel as fun or rewarding.
That's the worst part about it. Even in a new mmo you'd probably have people reading shit before logging into the game, everyone knows shit already. Is it because the internet is much more prevalent now than it was in 2004? I know what you're talking about but I can't figure out why it's like that.
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>time investment is what gets people top tier gear

all the time in the world won't help you if you don't know how to optimize your rotation or do the mechanics
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>>377434074
Except they were dirt fucking cheap on the AH.
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>>377435383
Inst he also an obese furry?
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>>377425785
Why do you think the color of the name of the gear matters at all?
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>>377432984
nigga wat, i hit 1000 dps as fury warrior in vanilla and i hadnt even set foot in AQ40 or naxx.
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>>377425025
there is still not enough rule34 of tightrane
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>>377435260
You cant even prove me wrong propably because only hard thing you propably know is elite boss in world quest that requires other people

I wont sponfeed you, keep telling youself, casual scum and dont even bother replying with some nostalrius tier 'experience"
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>>377434616
>>377434695
class-specific buffs were removed so there was never a situation where "if you dont have X class, you're suboptimal, so sorry you're gonna need to force someone off their main to get X class to buff the raid."

Warlocks still give summoning stones. There were summoning stones in the oldworld, just as they are now, anyways. it's just they're not forced to farm 80 mobs to BOTH create healthstones and summon everyone.

fearward got removed and got baked into dispels. only healers can dispel it.

rogues still need to sap stuff to shave off pull sizes, especially in a properly organized group.

world pvp was shit. it was only fun before because nobody had anything else to do. people had a blast when arenas and BGs were added, because world pvp was either ganking lowbies, or "let's moshpit at south shore vs tarren mill"

LFR was added because not everybody was able to just get picked up for raids. it was made easier so that a bunch of randoms could easily knock it out without requiring too much communication, but still being more difficult than dungeons.

classes are "dumbed down" because the idea of specialization was... specialization. if you had a little bit of everything, you wouldn't be "specializing" would you. otherwise go play druid, they still have stuff from their other specs pouring into their kits

you still need to prepare for a raid. you act like mythic doesn't exist, people know exactly how encounters are when the raid comes out, and like flasks/potions/runes/food don't exist. if normal's too easy for you, do heroic. if that's too easy, mythic... etc.
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>>377434978
Pretty much, everyone was starved for crit/hit and you had tier pieces with spirit on them.
Some of the set bonuses were insane though.
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>>377432351
>Jaina
>genociding orcs

nigga, Jaina loves the BOC
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>Thighrande
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>>377435383
A graphics tablet and keyboard.

So really not a big deal at all, you stupid fuck.
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>>377435596
Thrall dumped her for some nigress and shes been kill all orcs ever since.
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>>377435657
Go home, celestalon.
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>>377435596
Who doesn't crave BOC
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>>377435786
Go home, clicker.

Really sad seeing someone point this out every some some autist brings this up.
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>>377429630
I

COULD

USE

A

LITTLE

FUEL

MYSELF
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>>377435447
this isnt with naxx or aq40 gear, and this is over 1000dps, im only look at a single ability.
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>>377435838
Anyone who wasn't memed into interracial like the rest of /v/.
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>>377425025
>179 posts and 22 image replies omitted.
>wow this must be a shitty thread with way too few lewd images of Tyrande
>actually it has none

jesus christ guys
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>>377435894
>implying i ever mentioned clicking, and i'm not talking about camera movement
L O L
how can you justify playing this game on a tablet, sperg?
also, this is what your average WoW player is like today
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Best girl.
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>>377436057
Theres zero issue moving your camera with a graphics tablet.

The reason people blew up about this was him "balancing around" playing on a tablet; i.e simplifying rotations and skills. Camera shit is just asinine.
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Heroes Tyrande is 10/10
WoW Tyrande is a fucking idiot doormat
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>>377436112
I want to lick those juicy purple thighs
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go the /trash/ instead of trying to derail a thread that is actually about video games.
or you could go to one of the 100 porn threads on this board right now
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The real reason I stopped playing.

>Levels scale with you so every zone is an end game zone!

>All high level crafting requires a shit ton of mats from Suramar which all have horrible drop rates
>All high level gear requires you to complete Suramar quest line which takes forever.
>Place with the most AP quests is Suramar which still takes forever.
>In order to do majority of any end game content you have to complete Suramar.
>In order to get flying you HAVE to do every Suramar quest line and get max rep with them.

Literally fuck that zone so god damn much.
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>>377436242
meant for
>>377436221
>>377436112
>>377436015
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>>377435838
I wish I was a slutty blood elf girl tbdesu
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>>377435481
Mate, you still mad by getting raped on vanilla because you fucker have a delay on your almost dead brain?
>dont even bother replying with some nostalrius tier 'experience"
I grow up retard, no need to play what I already played, cunt.
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>>377436295
>>Levels scale with you so every zone is an end game zone!

They scale to your level, not your ilvl. You're still absolutely deleting mobs out of existence.

>>All high level crafting requires a shit ton of mats from Suramar which all have horrible drop rates

and?

>>All high level gear requires you to complete Suramar quest line which takes forever.

Not even close to true

>>Place with the most AP quests is Suramar which still takes forever.

Not even close to true

>>>In order to do majority of any end game content you have to complete Suramar.

Not even close to true
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>>377436112
is she still a hard ass for no reason?

last I remember she chilled out after winning the second invasion then blizz retconned her for no reason into a bitch again
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>>377436295
god damn fucking casual. did you literally just now sub? ive been exalted with them for MONTHS

you are the cancer that almost cost blizz their mmo
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So in Legion you more or less only get 1 weapon for the entire game and it comes with it's own special move.

So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that? Are we still going to get 1 weapon that is now supposed to be even more powerful than Doomhammer?
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>>377436219
>still trying to justify somebody designing the game to play the way that his controller works which less than 1% of the population of Wow players uses
everything that blizzard does is by design.
They are trying to make this game easier and more simplified. This retard who plays on a tablet is proof of this claim, and I honestly have no idea why you would shill for him.
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>>377436707
What the fuck are you talking about?

He uses a keyboard for his rotation, just like every other fucker. Have you ever used a graphics tablet? You can use it just like a mouse.
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>>377436626
>So in Legion you more or less only get 1 weapon for the entire game and it comes with it's own special move.

Yea it removes the excitement of having a new, baller weapon drop with an overdesigned skin and badass stats.

>So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that?
They never think that far ahead. It's just going to be another theme park with the same grind-mill with more changes to the classes and barely any flavor.
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>>377436460
She doesn't really even have a personallity now.
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>>377436626
>So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that?
>implying that this game won't die after argus gets botched and there's a year and a half long content drought
realistically if they do another expansion, they'll just remove this feature that they put so much work in to.
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>>377436295
>i need to play the game to get shit done! how cruel!
Fucking kill yourself cunt.
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>>377436838
>They never think that far ahead.

They've already talked about it.

I swear you fucktards hate on WoW, not because you actually know whats wrong with it, but because ACTIBLIZZARD REEEE
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>>377436423
>casual
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>>377436827
>You can use it just like a mouse
Not according to celestalon himself, since he admitted that he needed a mouse for overwatch you moron.
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>>377437060
For camera control in a third person MMO? Yeah, you can.
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>>377436991
Just because they talked about it doesn't mean the design implementation is going to take.

Never think that Blizz knows for sure what the best course of action is. They constantly flip flop between vanilla fags and convenience fags and they've been doing it for years.

So no, they haven't thought that far ahead. If they ever did then we wouldn't have the constant back and forth on when players should be able to use flying mounts in a zone.
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>>377425025
It's simple: Diablo devs.
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>>377425025
Same gear for everyone is an improvement. Take Diablo 3 for example, gearing was horseshit at release, now it's decent and eveyone can try whatever they want relatively quickly and be done with and try the next thing.

You shouldn't own you life to a game.
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>>377437385
the only molyneux more full of shit than peter
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>>377437105
>Yeah, you can.
Yeah and you can also play with a controller.
Should you, is the question i'm asking.
The other question i'm asking is, why would you hire somebody who plays with an alternative form of control to design/balance your fucking game, when nobody else uses said form of control other than maybe a few people?
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>>377434616
>>377434695
Did all that child labor require you to drop out of school? Because your grasp of the English language is distressingly weak.

I don't even know what your opinion is, it seemed to just be rambling.
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>>377437596
>still not having an argument
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>>377437385
But you provided basically no argument besides le meme tier replies so far so he's right about you being a casul
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>>377438130
not even the same person dipshit
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>>377438250
My argumet was he's shit. Being a rogue at vanilla and complain about get ganked it's absurd.
Rogue has all tools to get teh fuck out of any risky situation alive. No other class can do that.
I leveled Vanilla as Ret, and I farmed all that shit alone.
Go figure.
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stop talking about nerd shit and gimme more big purple tits
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>>377438807
Nope, so far all things you''re saying proves that
1. you have no argument
2. you can't grasp concept of "farming as party because healers cant do it well"
3. you experience as a ret paladin is questionable because rogue can be ganked by other rogues and parties who wont allow him to farm consumables, wasting his play time etc
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>>377428079
The whole point of epics is you're not supposed to get them easily.

Getting a shitload easily devalues them and just turns the game into NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS, and lets people who are good but dont have great gear be denied to groups by worthless bitches like you with shittons of epics but want to be carried anyway.
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>>377439297
1. Argument is there, interpret it however you want it.
2. Yes, I can do it, my focus was on his butthurt against being ganked for literally NO reason.
3. And ret wasn't ganket by literally any class, since was pretty shit in a 1v1 combat if not had some rank gear (and stood mediocre geared)?
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>>377435324
everyone knowing all the ins and outs of every little thing about the game before it's even released is a big part of it. alphas, betas, early access, test realms, and datamining of upcoming patches. every item and boss fight strat is mapped out for everyone to see months in advance. there's nothing to discover on your own. no sense of adventure.

some of it is nostalgia, sure. you can't recapture the feeling of all the good times you had levelling with your friends or fighting your way to a dungeon entrance and not knowing what to expect when you got inside. but the gaming landscape has definitely changed along with fan sites and info dumps like wowhead and mmo-champion.

but the age group of gamers has also evolved. back when i was playing wow i had tons of free time to dedicate to it. it could afford to be more difficult, less hand-holdy than it is now. kids could play for 6 hours a day or more, learning all the ins and outs, grinding out levels or raiding all night. 15 year olds don't have to worry about life the same way 25 year olds do. as mmos got more popular and the playerbase expanded, devs wanted to keep drawing in players, and had to casualize a lot of the elements for people who had more to think about than homework. for better or worse.

I tried to go back and play on some vanilla private servers, and i just couldn't do it. that shit is boring and way too time consuming.
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>>377439886
>scars
please no, I'm weak to that
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>>377439886
delete this

night elves are for loving, not cumming on
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>>377439886
Black Chain is the only drawn porn I've ever liked, didn't he die?
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>>377440418
that looks like shit tho kys
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>>377440353
There's no bigger proof of being loved than being cummed on.
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>>377440353
Night elves are for being conquered by supreme orc cocks
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>>377440520
He's got some other good shit
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post more nightelf lewds
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>>377439870
Still i can read all your post so far insulting him, while i can understand him being ganked by other party farming same consumable for raid. Its hard to compare you as lone player (even as paladin who's hard to kill) to raider helping his team to farm things for raid party

If somebody prevents you from doing your assigned job, its nearly same as gank and it doesnt matter if he can run away or not - still he can't kill mobs.
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>>377425025

More like the nerds with too much time on their hands and patience dealing with idiots.

MMOs should never have measurement of "skill." It's all about who has the most spare time, patience and in the case of PVP, if your class and spec are being babied for a particular expansion.
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>>377425025
Blizzard tried something new and it just didn't work. Has happened with every expansion.

I've gotten at least two legendaries, that's enough for me. Most of them aren't even that interesting. It's not like that Mage trinket in WoD that summoned an image of Arthas.
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>>377425025
Tyrande gets me hard everytime
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>>377439830
If it's not a popular build, it won't work.
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>>377439830
no dude wtf go full affliction, how will we ever have enough dps for Chrom?!?
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>>377425025
I like the legendary system. Just wish they'd come out with an upgrade that lets you equip three already.
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>>377441019
Still i can read all your post so far insulting him
The guys started to call me as "casual", so if you looking only on his side, this conversation is pointless.
>even as paladin who's hard to kill
This is the exactly reason why I was assiged to farm it from my old guild. No one had a paladin, since I started as one, I farmed all the shit for people (herb, mining) and then log back on hunter to raid and, like him, no killing mobs or a group comming for me reflect in low farming profit for me and my guild.

Like him, you are assuming that I was a lone player who was doing nothing, just running around.
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>>377426062
This I never understood
kids don't like hard but have you have time as a adult to raid 4 times a week till morning hours.

I am 29 and I cant see myself dedicating hours upon hours everyday to get virtual items.

Seriously you have to be a neet or a guy who has no ambitions in his life.
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>>377436221
Heroes Tyrande is super fappable, Wow Tyrande is nintendo 64 grafics
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>>377440661
No!

>>377440609
yes, being cuddled and kissed and ear nibbled

all of these things are what night and blood elves are for
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I'm hoping world quests expand to the old zones this expansion. I'd love to have a reason to re-visit old zones and not just sit in the broken shore all the time.
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>>377441847
Anon, night elves are thousand year old amazons whose husbands sleep for most of their lifetime.
They have the kinkiest sex imaginable, cuddling and kissing doesn't get them off anymore, they're thirsty as fuck.
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>>377441827
WoW Tyrande is decent. Her newer model shows off some nice purple skin, albeit not as thicc
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>>377442283
DELETE this
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>>377442283
I can only imagine the fate of the first humans they came across
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>>377425025
That stuff stopped in Burning Crusade.
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>>377434616
>>377434695
100% agree. Wow got boring for me, but never too hard. Just boring. Now shit is just for window lickers
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>>377442457
There's nothing wrong with being drenched in cum every now and then and being penetrated in all your holes at the same time to let off steam.
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>>377442586
night elven women are very disciplined and able to control their base urges

your posts are filled with falsehoods, please delete them
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>>377441252
Not true at all
>>377441374
I don't raid.
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>>377442508
They killed the first humans they came across.
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>>377441847
All I want in life is a qt blood elf paladin wife to have consensual missionary position sex for the sole purpose of half-breed procreation with, and then praying to the Light for healthy children right after.
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>>377442679
And how do you think they control their base urges? By communal masturbation sessions and prisoner rapings.
Discipline can last for weeks, months, even years, but not decades, centenaries and milenniums.
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>>377442516
Pretty much this.
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>>377432515

God dammit, why do the ingame human female models make me so hard?
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>>377442842
No, their discipline lasts for tens of thousands of years.
The younger sisters have lesbian sex.

>>377442827
Same
or a qt cold night elf hunter wife
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>>377443014
>thinking a woman can be satisfied with mild lesbian "sex"
lmao are u a virgin
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>>377443112
>"muh dik"

virgin
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A medium skilled player should play an average of X hours per week, for Y weeks, to have a full epic geared char with at least one legendary.

Define X and Y.
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>>377443234
28 for 2 weeks
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>>377443014
If I had a night elf hunter wife, I'd make sure my prot warrior self defends her with my life, keeping aggro on my while she kills them from afar
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>>377443014
>implying the younger sisters don't take the big tiger know for hours until they belly gets swollen from all the feline cum
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>>377443234
10 hours for 8 weeks
8 weeks for a fresh 110 to get some blues off heroic dungeons, then do mythics, some LFR, and then progress and clear Normal.
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>>377440353
Why not both?
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>>377443620
>know

>>377443456
me too
I would guard her from all sorts of horrors and beasts
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>>377443767
Sorry, I was too excited to write properly.
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>>377443763
>both

explain yourself
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>>377443767
Of course, the real elves in need of love and protecting are the qt female demon hunters. They've been locked up for thousands of years are in need of someone to care for them.
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>>377443849
Loving tenderly in missionary and then cumming inside or on her.

Two birds in one stone
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I've tried to play WOW, but started it way too late. Leveling was so easy it was painful. Never dying, instances you just run through, no need to chat with your party members or really do anything. Depending on the spell I used the mobs would die before I could get it off half the time.

Made it to level 30 before I gave up. I don't understand the point of completely taking the challenge out of leveling. There wasn't even any resource management. I couldn't run out of mana if I tried.

Didn't see the point of sticking it out until endgame.
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>>377444040
I wouldn't mind a hot belf paladin gf that protects me from all the monsters and then lovingly rapes me, though
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hello where the tyrande lewds at?
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Are the triggered mods filtering cuckagain? lol
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>>377444062
Is this even possible, though?
Explain in great detail.
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>>377444213
That sounds nice too. Especially if while she's riding you raw she tells you that your human sperm fertilizing her elven egg is "for the good of the Light"
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>>377444598
I agree
I'd like it if she degraded me while riding me, talking on about how my inferior disgusting seed will impregnate her pure, superior elven egg and how filthy but good it feels for her
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>Want to play my NE Demon Hunter
>Alliance players are fucking trash at PVE
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>>377445001
It'd be even nicer if after I came inside her she'd grab me by the neck and tell me that I will take responsibility for our children and ensure they have a good human father
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>>377445703
Yes, and after all that violence and rape we'd cuddle together with her being the little spoon
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>>377445703
And it'd be even nicer if after cumming inside her she laughs at your pitiful spasms and starts riding you furiously again while saying how it's not nearly enough. Your screams of pain would merge with her cries of sadistic pleasure and echo throughout the forest.
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>>377432446
You sure showed him.
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>>377445332
If Alliance sucks at PvE then Horde must be even worse.
>Illidan-US is Chinatown
>Area 52-US is barren as fuck despite being the most populated horde server
>Tichondrious is pure PvP
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>It's another Nostalriusfag making a shitposting thread
>294 posts
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>>377445920
Imagine if she were a warlock, she'd summon her succubus to double team my cock while her inferal holds me in place helplessly
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>>377446063
>Stuck on Illidan
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Do you think Tyrande cucks Furion?

I mean now that there are so many strong orcs and humans running around
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>>377447021
Furion is having hot sex with Ysera so it's all okay.
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>>377435324

>Is it because the internet is much more prevalent now than it was in 2004?

Yes. I think we literally have double the population of people using the internet now than we did 10 years ago, thats just more manpower working at a solution or just giving info. People absolutely love to be helpful about something they have a genuine love/interest in.

You know how there are those turboautists that find out everything? Theres more of them now than ever before online and this is only going to increase. You cant have the old sense of wonder or unknown like you had back in vanilla or even up to wotlk, but even by late TBC a bunch of info was already being put out, how to play classes correctly and all that, you only had to know where to find the info.
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>>377425025
>Like 12 years old
>Running Blackrock Depts
>I'm an enhancement shaman
>Epic chest drops from the ring of law
>Win it
Man....truly only real men had epics back then....

also epic doesn't mean anything at all it never has even in vanilla blues and sometimes even greens were better items if you care about item quality you are probably retarded
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>>377447292
People seem to have the false idea that you had to put hard work to get epics when they were randomly dropped.
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>>377447292
>also epic doesn't mean anything at all it never has even in vanilla blues and sometimes even greens were better items
only in extremely specific cases like items with retarded itemization or bad game design like casters who got no damage bonuses from int having to use +element damage greens. now that all the stats have been dumbed down and rolled into each other the only reason not to use a new epic is if you need to prioritize another stat.
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>>377447850
>It's le dumbed down because Blizzard was retards at itemisation and then fixed loot that didn't make sense
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>>377447850
This isn't true at all
especially for trinkets and relics
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>>377447292
>also epic doesn't mean anything at all
Says the person who probably never did any raids, epics mean a lot more when undeserving faggots gets them before you in raids.
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>>377425025
>MMOs
>Skill
The only hard part is getting 20+ idiots to not fuck it
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>>377448002
>resistances didn't make sense
>arpen and spell pen didn't make sense
>expertise and hit didn't make sense
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>>377448261
Yeah man, felt so epic when me and the other 9 people who did more than autoattack/wand and clicked more than one button finally cleared MC
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>>377428079
>skill
nobody has "skill" in legion you absolute retard
blizzard made sure the game was easy as fuck for everyone so that people like you could jerk off and delude yourselves into thinking youre gods in the game
how pathetic can one person be holy shit
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>>377448449
Nope, just unneccessary timegates
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>>377448496
Link your mythic gul'dan kill before 7.2, also with a timestamp, cause that shit was eazy amirite?
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>>377448546
All stats are unnecessary, they should extend the PVP stats system to the entire game so that you just get a fixed amount of everything based on ilvl and all freedom with your build is removed.
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>>377448723
>PvPbabby complaining about his minigames
lol
>Implying there was build/talent variety in Vanilla if you didn't want to be a retard
lol
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>>377448337
not even idiots, just a sequence of gear checks.

>need all dps to be at *insert number* minimum
>need all tanks to have this much defense, block, dodge *insert numbers*
>need all healers to have this much regen/spirit, spellpower *insert numbers*
>Oh, and nobody stand in the fire.
check all of that, and omg your raid will win the encounter.

>new raid comes out
>adjust the numbers to be slightly higher
>rinse and repeat
There is your mmo "skill"

It was never about skill, its just no-lifers upset that they aren't even special or cool inside virtual reality anymore.
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I wish they would just do away with leveling.
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>>377448869
vanilla had cookie cutter pvp only builds.
But they completely shattered balance, as some classes cookie cuter would just be way more powerful than other classes cuter cutters.

anyway, thats what pvp fags are whining about. Rogues and warriors were at their peak in vanilla because of their cookie cutter build capability. Now they are just dinosaur classes.

Almost all of the pvpfags "missing the good ole days" are warrior or rogue mains.
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>>377448869
>PvEbabby thinks following dbm warnings takes skill
lol
>freedom with skills and stats should be taken away simply because people minmax
you should apply for a job at blizzard, they would love more mongoloids like you.
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Where da Draenei at
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>>377449256
>Not wanting to breed a milf like Jaina
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>>377441064
>Most of them aren't even that interesting.
The shitty part is about one third of the legendaries are uninteresting stat sticks that shouldn't exist, one third being so fucking good or providing something that actually makes your class and spec work so they're mandatory, or just useless. I don't know how they did it but they completely fucked up the legendary system for this expansion. I managed to get one of the best ones for my spec and I still think it's an awful system. If I didn't get Stone Heart I literally would not have been able to play Fury when the expansion launched because the spec was so absolutely fucked it needed that ring to function. That bad legendaries even exist is a monument to how fucking inept Blizzard has become.
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People talk shit about WoW's current state and how Cataclysm was the downfall.

But the Questline in Stonetalon where you bomb druids was dope.
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>>377449497
I'll breed her when (if) she becomes the new Grand Admiral of Kul Tiras.
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>>377449148
pvp fags are whining about how blizzard has a stranglehold on their class. you complain about cookie cutter builds in vanilla but they are literally cookie cutter builds now. everyone is exactly the same in every way and if your class got the short end of the stick tough shit, reroll or eat shit until next patch and pray you get buffed.
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>>377439968
>>377447131
It does make sense. What you guys said is pretty much spot on the more I think about it.
I would like a chance to play vanilla again for myself to see if I'd still enjoy it. But I know absolutely none of my friends would join me in that so it's almost comforting that I'll most likely never have the chance to do that again.
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>>377428787
they would just be panderen according to the novels
the race of the children is the same of the mother
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>>377429123
hit me up anon :)
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>>377449774
Good, Human sperm should be for repopulating endangered species such as Draenei and Pandaren.
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>Lor'themar still hasn't reached the end of his hero's journey and realized that all the Horde, not just blood elves, are his people and his brothers, and that to protect them he must accept the position of Warchief and become the one thing he most fears being.
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>>377449834
Nice, now color it in.
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>>377449834
I wanna, but Arthas, Thrall, and Kalec have been in there too,l.
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Undead make the best rogues. prove me wrong
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>>377450235
>official choice for pro players
>classic combo respected by all vet players
>objectively better than all other race/class combos
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>>377449238
>Thinks illusion of freedom is any good
>Pillarhumping is hard guyz
lol
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>>377430098
Worked for GW1.
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>>377450489
>illusion of freedom
>shockadins didn't exist
>stunheralds didn't exist
>2h enh shamans didn't exist
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>>377450553
Can you really say anything in GW1 worked when its road was leading to GW2 all along?
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>>377450608
Yeah, retards existed, we established this already
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>>377449950
how come there isnt good sfm of fempanda femtauren and femgnome
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>>377439830
Jesus christ
WoW skill tress are this simple ?
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>>377449696
The quests are the strongest point in the game. Leveling for the first time in a new zone is as good as ever.
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>>377450235
I prefer goblins.
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>>377450792
The joke is that only 1, maybe two choices existed, if you didn't pick the good talents you were a retard who shot yourself in the foot
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>>377425025
>implying WoW was ever hard or difficult in any way, shape, or form compared to its predecessors like UO, EQ, or AC
even the hardest content WoW has ever had, vanilla Naxx, is pathetically easy compared to pic related, North Temple of Veeshan from EQ
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Should I resub?
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>>377450982
eq was only considered hard because 99% of players never saw any new content due to hyper-autists who burned through it with poopsocking.
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>>377433729
you could always play a demon hunter
>1 and half page spell book
>dps rotation is literally 1 button with a few damage buffs used occasionally

hats off to ya, blizzard
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>>377451032
For what reason? If for raiding, then yes, otherwise, maybe a month just to do leveling and suramar questline
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>>377451106
>due to hyper-autists who burned through it with poopsocking
nah, it's just because they were bad, didn't devote enough time to the game, or both. I'm gonna bet you were one of those people.
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>>377451207
I'm already max level and I completed all the questlines.

I'm just BORED out of my mind without an MMO to waste my life on.
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>>377451123
Demon hunter was a stupid idea for a class. They should have combined it with other things like Shadow Hunter and made it a sort of hybrid other than literally Illidan's buttbuddies.
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Reminder that killing a boss in LFR is the same as killing it on Mythic.
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>>377425025
>super skilled
>most were just rng 0.001% drops
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>>377451229
>players are bad because they don't shit in socks while camping a week in real time for a boss to respawn
tigole was a fag and so was everyone in his gay guild.
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>>377427196
>Heavy.jpg
More where?
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>>377451289
get a job. if you already have one, try buying some real games. if you're still not satisfied, try a new hobby or suicide
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>>377451317
Except it isn't?
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>>377432624
LEGENDARIES WERENT FUCKING NECCESASRY FOR PROGRESSION BEFORE MISTS OF SHITDARIA
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>>377451394
>get a job
That's just crazy talk.
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>>377441827
I just fucking hate her VA. She sounds like some non-specified ethnic grandma minus the 60 years of smoking.
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>>377451289
There's a free twoweek login campaign in Final Fantasy XI (Not 14 the WoW-clone version) I'm having fun with this after I got my concordance a few days ago and no longer feeling the need to farm AP anymore.

But if you want to raid then maybe you should resub now if you want to get some stuff done before Tomb of Sargeras opens
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>>377451353
well i can't disagree with you since tigole was a casual ass baby who directly contributed to the casualization of WoW along with Furor (Alex Afrasiabi) since blizzard hired both of them

what a surprise, Tigole is now the game director of Overwatch, a mega-casual FPS.
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>>377451502
for someone who whines about casuals and eq you seem to forget that tigole ran the biggest nolife guild and only left to work on wow because they ran the game into the ground and exhausted the devs trying to keep up with their autism.
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>>377450646
Can you really say anything in WoW worked when its road was leading to Cataclysm all along?
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>>377428578
Ghostcrawler was garbage at his job.
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>>377451625
>it's been longer from cata to now than vanilla to cata

vanilla's never coming back, is it
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>>377451602
lol, if you haven't gathered from my screenshots, I was in <Triton> which was better than legacy of steel. LoS ran nothing into the ground, if you want to blame guilds instead of the developers for making content that was still too easy, then blame Fires of Heaven, Blood of the Spider, or Triton.
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>>377451708
No, and I honestly am fine with that. Vanilla was broken as shit, Paladins stole almost all the fucking cloth gear.
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>>377451748
the only thing i blame the devs for is trying to cater to the demands of autistic guilds who only made up a small portion of the playerbase at the expense of everyone else simply because they screeched the loudest.
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If you hadn't noticed already, item quality doesn't mean shit any more. Almost everything is epic, no-one ever uses greens any more, and legendaries are just major glyphs in a different form.

The only problem with them is the randomness, the item quality shit is just colours.
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>>377451708
I'm just hoping timeskip theory is real so we can finally get rid of Cata zone changes

>yfw Silithus doesn't change
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>>377451905
but the point of everquest was always from the beginning endgame raiding, the devs were just doing what Brad McQuaid wanted. Blame them for making the content not difficult enough, allowing top tier guilds like ours to blast through it quickly, not for making it in the first place. They had enough time to realize "gee, some of the people that play this game are very organized and skilled, maybe we should step it up"
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>>377452096
>azshara best zone is turned into crap
>silithus worst zone is unchanged
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Ive played this game since vanilla and wotlk was the last expansion i actually kept a active sub going. My server which was super active and progression focused in wotlk and prior expacs fucking vanished when cata hit because they essentially revamped all the 1 - 60 content which made alting super fucking boring because the leveling zones are one and dones now that there is zero reason to retun to once youve outleveled the zone.

THEY ALSO MANAGED TO COMPLETELY FUCK UP VASH'JIR AND LEFT IT AS UNCOMPLETED CONTENT WHICH IS FUCKING RETARDED CONSIDERING IT WAS A STARTING POINT FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE IN THE EXPANSION. Yeah thanks blizzard way to fucking kill my hype for an expansion by letting me waste a couple levels in a zone to find out that you spent years and money developing a fucking expansion with incomplete content that you didnt even bother to just cut out.

Not to mention how horribly polished instances/heroics were when the expansion started.

Anyways i tried other expansions after but always quit after a month. But legion i really wanted to work and i spent 6 months on the expansion and actually quit because i burned out way too fast. Nothing was hard everything was breaindead easy being able to fucking have mythic emerald nightmare on farm and being able to clear +15 mythic keystones coming from being a casual raider in the first 3 expansions really showed how low the bar was set for this expansion and how bad the playerbase is if this is what they consider difficult content
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>>377450918
i love their stealth animation, it's so cartoonish
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>>377452201
>azshara best zone is turned into crap

tastes differ, but azshara, while pretty, never had anything in it in vanilla past a world boss and the hydraxian waterlords guy

the goblin questlines there are some of the best in the new levelling (together with silverpine)
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>>377452302
Their animations are top notch even if people think the models look bad.
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>>377452294
Wait, what was uncompleted about Vashj'ir? Seemed pretty complete to me, that shit's huge.
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>>377452434
I mean, they're the oldest player models in the game currently - they'll get an upgrade sooner or later. Animations are a lot more important than fidelity anyway.
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>>377452390
azshara was almost empty, unfinished i assume but it had a certain charm that is missing now
i think goblins should have had their own zone, not take over an old one, it's too bad kezan etc got blown up, that place was pretty cool
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>>377452463
Vashj'ir was intended to lead into another raid involving the water elemental plane, the raid would also feature swimming as part of its dynamic. It was also pretty heavily hinted at some more content regarding naga/old god coming along

Everything was scrapped because:
>I am literally retarded and can't kill anything because now I'm swimming and it's impossible to quest in this zone
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>>377452463
if you quested through it the quests and instance alluded to a raid for the waterlord "we had major content for every other elemental in that expac minus water" and if you go south of vash'jir the area where the megarare mobs spawns that drops that expensive ass seahorse mount the area is completely empty because all the quests and content after reaching the island was unfinished so it was cut and because of the lack of popularity of the zone "maybe because people dont like unfinished content on release" they never bothered to tie up the zone or release the raid for the water elementals.

Only fucking thing that zone since is an area of it being used for a shaman quest in legion and that wasnt even adding anything outside of an npc in the zone
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>>377452158
Those players were a very small part of the overall population and if the game was redesigned for them everyone else would be fucked and the game would collapse because everyone but that small amount of players would quit.
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>>377452760
Oh, that's what you mean - Vashj'ir itself was finished (and followed into Throne of the Tides) but it didn't follow through.

You're right, that fucking sucked. Cata was supposed to have raid for all four elemental planes, but we only got two. I loved Vashj'ir too, so that's too bad.

>>377452645
The one thing that kind of annoyed me about the goblin questline is that it was very good, but it never seemed finished. Azshara has basically a goblin capital in it with all the Kezan NPCs, but it's never used for anything. Plus, you fucking know that Gallywix is an evil little shit and there's an allusion that he'll be ousted but instead he... stuck around for three expansions and never got any competition? What the fuck?
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>>377452998
well, look what happens when you design a game for your average casual: you get WoW, which destroyed the entire MMO genre.
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>>377452463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psIjSdN2RG8
the official story was that they scrapped it because it wasn't as impressive as firelands but everyone knows the swimming shit got blasted.
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>>377453086
>>377452645
Also: the Worgen storyline is fucking great, but you really have to play through Silverpine Horde side too to fully grasp it.
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>>377453147
I know, but that's not Vashj'ir, that's just one of the two unfinished raids, I thought he was just talking about the zone itself
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>>377453249
why are you nitpicking here? we just said vashjir was finished but all her neighboring zones were completely scrapped which essentially makes vashjir a pointless fucking zone and thats how it has been seen ever since cata release
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>>377453385
I wasn't trying to nitpick, I just misunderstood what you meant, don't get your jimmies rustled
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>>377453115
>design a game for your average casual
why was wow more casual?
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>>377453549
try to put this in the perspective of someone who hyped cata. You go and do all the vashjir quests just to get thrown out of the zone and basically get told by the game "you pick the wrong zone try again"
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>>377425025

games gone to shit, but keep feeding your addiction
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Everquest retroactively tainted MMOs with it's 'hardcore leet' crap.

I feel bad for WoW.
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>>377453683
Yeah, I gotcha. I gotta admit I never really realized it at the time, because I just went into the Throne of the Tides and expected the raid to come later.

Cata's "new" zones all have a little something that ruins it, it's weird. Hyjal is just a weird mess of a place, Uldum looks amazing but its quests are just endless Indiana Jones references, so much that it becomes tiresome, Twilight Highlands has this massive difference in quest quality between Horde and Alliance. Deepholm is fine, I guess.

The real meat of that expansion was in the levelling content, which most people skipped over completely.
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>>377453610
Had a deccent model its just the autist tigole kinda ruined the fun for everyone.

>have moderate difficulties that majorty of players will find challenging
>this breathes competition and comradere amongst players to take on the large and hard combat
>tigole and his poosocking/piss and cum bucket friends come in and start a neverending rotation of contant online farm and grind
>they basically dominate all the content not even leaving scraps for the rest of the playerbase
>get mad at devs and demand more content
>devs give them what they want and say fuck you to the rest of the playerbase
>tigole and friend eventually beat it and leave
>literally nothing is left for the rest of everquest playerbase
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>>377453610
>can reach max level in a matter of weeks instead of ~a year like in EQ
>smaller raid sizes of 40 during vanilla, only to get smaller as time went on, compared to EQ raids which were on average 60+ depending on the gear people had
>good gear is very easy to get, even the original 2 legendaries sulfuras hammer and thunderfury were way easier to get compared to EQ epic weapons
>auction house completely destroyed player interaction with trading
>all classes can solo to max level
>instanced content instead of everything being contested
>no meaningful death penalty
>flight paths and instant travel zeppelins ruined world travel, might as well just have added elder scrolls style fast travel from any location
>everything was datamined from the WoW files and stuck on thottbot before the game even launched, from beta players

do you get the point yet?
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>>377454149
>not even leaving scraps for the rest of the playerbase
you know, things do respawn in these games, and you can go kill them when the top guilds have moved on. the only thing stopping people from reaching that content is their guilds being full of unskilled, poorly geared people with atrocious leadership and organization.
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>>377454249
So are you saying that tigole DIDNT kill everquest?
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>>377454158
all of your complaints seem to stem from the idea that time spent should determine your reward instead of skill.
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The thing I've always hated about MMOs is how not special I feel

I'm just like any other night elf hunter, I can't feel cool or badass because I look like everyone else
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>>377454158
most of these are good changes, though
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armory or gtfo nigger
>"haha it only used to be for hartcor players"
excluding yourself
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>>377454426
what do you expect to see on there? there's only very few things from vanilla that became feats of strength
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>>377433484
lol demon hunters
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>>377454338
correct. while i think tigole is a casual piece of shit who bitched and whined constantly, it's not his fault. the developers are the ones who decided to listen to his whining (and furor's for that matter) when tigole himself wasn't even that good, he just happened to lead the guild that carried him

>>377454348
you aren't beating any of these raids without skill, you can load up with the best gear of the expac but if even one person in your enormous raid party doesn't know what they are doing, you are fucked.
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>>377450646
You and I are enemies now
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>>377454932
>you aren't beating any of these raids without skill, you can load up with the best gear of the expac but if even one person in your enormous raid party doesn't know what they are doing, you are fucked.
so it's just like wow.
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>>377454419
why not just play a console RPG since that's basically what you want, instead of trying to bend the MMORPG to suit you, when they were always developed for the endgame people, even ones like UO, just look at T2A and Renaissance champions+power scrolls
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>>377450982
>People actually act like this is somehow a bad thing
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>>377455031
obvious troll is obvious, try a little harder
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If Everquest was any good people would still play it.
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>>377454628
they data archivate your bosskills so you can see when you killed ex: bwl bosses, naxx bosses, can also see professions and mount/vanity acquiration dates.
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>>377455036
MMOs were never developed for endgame people, there were small groups of spergs who spent all their time playing and burned through content meant to last months then whined because there wasn't anything left while every other player was way behind them.
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>>377453115
>when you design a game for your average casual: you get WoW

Real difficult lmao
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>>377455148
How so? Especially for modern wow where mythic content is just "do the right thing at the right time or everyone dies".
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>>377455217
everquest stopped being good after velious, then it stopped being worth playing after omens of war. current EQ is a sad shell of a once great game. in modern EQ you can hire a NPC mercenary that can solo multiple mobs higher level than it, it's truly disgusting.
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>>377455148
There are mechanics in every mythic raid that will wipe the raid if a single member fucks them up.
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>>377455265
>screenshot of a mob we have had on farm status for over a month, gearing people up for the next fight and teaching them stutter-step casting
gee i wonder
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>>377455406
Discussing tactics in officer chat for an enemy you've had "on farm" for over a month?

You sure this is a game for hardcore gaymers, anon?
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>>377455346
vanilla naxx is the hardest content in the entire history of WoW and it was pathetically easy compared to the noob sub-50 raids in EQ. Pic related, your entire raid can be feared into lava and killed every 6 seconds if you aren't on top of your dispel rotations. and this is one of the two first and easiest raids in the entire game, max level players cannot even fight it.
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>>377455406
>mob we have had on farm status for over a month
what happened to
>>377454249
>you know, things do respawn in these games, and you can go kill them when the top guilds have moved on
???
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>>377455220
Where can you see that? Because I'm looking at some my oldest characters (even one with Lok'delar) which don't have Ragnaros or Nefarian logged.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/bloodhoof/chaoshunter
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>>377455538
>there are only certain mobs in that xpac you can even practice stutter step casting on, so you have to wait for them to spawn to even get practice in
>HURR GAME IS EZ
sure sounds like a case of mad cuz bad over there, sport
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>>377455576
farm status means a guild hasn't moved on, and are farming it for ultra rare drops. I can't believe I have to explain this to you. Are you not white?
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>>377455564
Nowhere in his post did he mention vanilla naxx.
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>EQ
>hardcore

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zefWDuOoAt0
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>>377454628
>i used to be good which means i am better than the current hardcore scene in wow
>i used to have a wife untill she divorced me
>i used to be a good football player but now i cant play for shit
>i used to be a millionaire but now i am a bum living off moldy wonderbread
:^^)
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>>377455564
Okay, and?
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>>377455782
>emulated server with custom mechanics, aren't even fighting him in the same area
top kek
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>>377455763
You say there are no problems because people can start killing mobs after guilds are done farming them and then admit that your guild had mobs on farm for months. You don't see the problem there?
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>>377455784
what? did you quote the wrong post?
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>>377455853
everything in the entire history of WoW is more casual than the simplest EQ content. The game is easy garbage for baddie bonzo who couldn't reach the top in a proper MMO.
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>>377455906
there's no problem, it's called "wait your turn, or improve your skills and get there before us"

because of whiners like you, that's why instances were created and everyone can spawn their own private loot dimension instead of having to actually improve themselves and compete with others.
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>>377455950
>everything in the entire history of WoW is more casual than the simplest EQ content.
earlier you said
>you aren't beating any of these raids without skill, you can load up with the best gear of the expac but if even one person in your enormous raid party doesn't know what they are doing, you are fucked.
which is EXACTLY what modern wow mythic raids are like
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>>377455950
Thats nice, but you're shouting at pidgeons like the crazy old guy you are now. I never claimed anything about this.
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>>377455912
the fact that you cant prove how hardcore you was delegitimizes the argument of you claiming to be better than everyone currently playing
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>>377455950
>>377455564
>>377454932
This is retarded. EQ was a milestone for its time, but it had a lot of obvious pure timesinks and was insanely grindy, which isn't the same as skill. Yes, it had skill-based encounters too, but most of what you're calling more "casual" here is just cutting of actual dull time wastes.
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Arms of Fury for Arenas?
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>>377456037
>there's no problem, it's called "wait your turn, or improve your skills and get there before us"
There is no way to improve when all the endgame content is dominated by the top guild that keeps it on farm for months. If you can't see the problem with this you're the reason why instances were created.
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>>377456116
i think you're confused with a different anon, all i was asking is what you were expecting to see in the armory because it doesn't actually seem to track anything

i posted my armory here >>377455605 which already shows this shit doesn't work - compare to new main:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/defias-brotherhood/tinkah
which has these old bosses tracked but i just through soloing them in later expansions
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>>377456073
>no evidence to support your claim against the mountain of screenshots I have in my triton folder proving my personal arguments
great work

>>377456139
>a lot of obvious pure timesinks
not until omens of war and later, which is why most of the original members quit at that time
>and was insanely grindy
this is a casual's way of saying "i don't want to put forth effort for anything, spoonfeed me
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>>377429343
>The high tier Vanilla Raids where harder than any HC/whatever bullshit they pull now
fucking lol
Nostalgiafags are so far up their own ass it's amazing.

Mythic Nighthold is harder and more complex in terms of mechanics than anything ever was in Vanilla. Shit, most of the mythic raids in MoP were more complex than anything in Vanilla.

Artifact Challenges (solo content) are more difficult than anything ever was in Vanilla.

But because it's easy to get decked out in purples people like you shit on WoW. Here's a hint: the color of the gear doesn't matter, the item level does. And the only people getting the highest possible item levels are the ones doing the most challenging content.
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I'm free since the end of WotLK

before that I was hardcore raider and played like 8h daily

feels good
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>>377456410
None of these screenshots prove the difficulty of anything, you silly nig nog.

But its fine, you've made it clear you don't actually know what mythic raiding is like, despite being quite sure that it is more casual - the definition of an ignorant fool. Final (you)
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>>377456410
>no evidence to support your claim against the mountain of screenshots I have in my triton folder proving my personal arguments
anyone who does mythics will tell you the same thing
all you have to do is look up any mythic guide on youtube
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>>377456410
>this is a casual's way of saying "i don't want to put forth effort for anything, spoonfeed me

Wrong, it's a gamer's way of saying "give me something that requires thinking to do". A lot of old MMOs (and WoW vanilla, too) had pure timesinks that didn't actually add anything skill-based to the game, it was just a time-sink. There's no casualization cutting that unless you're a massive retard who thinks writing a book with a chisel in stone is the hardcore way to go, fuck that casual paper.
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>>377456518
I never understood this
>I'm free
If you weren't having fun why did you keep playing
Are you also "free" from other games you've stopped playing?
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>>377456290
Fury is stupid easy to play and I'd recommend that if you don't pvp much yet.
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>>377427649
This.

At 875 ilvl I was doing about 400k ST. Now im 910 and do 1.15M ST.
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>>377456568
yeah, it's still way easier than everquest. one healer missed a complete heal by 0.25 of a second on the main tank? full wipe with a 2-3 hour recovery time to clear all the trash mobs that respawned with your backup set of gear, get your bodies from deep in the zone because necro summons are disabled, drag all bodies back to the zone entrance, resurrect everyone and restore their xp, rebuff everyone, reclear all the trash that respawned yet again on the way back to the boss, and that's assuming the boss doesn't take 24h to reset. all because of a 1/4 second delay.

but no, keep saying WoW is harder. I'll continue guffawing at you.
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>>377452096
What's the time skip theory?
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>>377456690
High end raiding, especially now, requires a large time investment. You may really like the game but you actually have to schedule your life around it.

Unlike anything else that doesn't require uninterrupted 4 hour blocks everyday at a specific time slot agreed with 19 other people

>>377456815
>one healer missed a complete heal by 0.25 of a second on the main tank? full wipe with a 2-3 hour recovery time to clear all the trash mobs that respawned with your backup set of gear

Thats the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
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>>377456815
You're still saying that the amount of time it takes to do something matters more than the skill involved in doing that thing.
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>>377456870
People complain about having to schedule your life around raiding, so they introduce LFR, which people complain about because now you don't have to schedule your life around raiding.
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>>377456815
>one healer missed a complete heal by 0.25 of a second on the main tank? full wipe
This happens in WoW often

>2-3 hour recovery time to clear all the trash mobs that respawned with your backup set of gear, get your bodies from deep in the zone because necro summons are disabled, drag all bodies back to the zone entrance, resurrect everyone and restore their xp, rebuff everyone, reclear all the trash that respawned yet again on the way back to the boss, and that's assuming the boss doesn't take 24h to reset. all because of a 1/4 second delay.

There is nothing difficulty about this, just time consuming.
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>>377456870
>Thats the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
nice argument, good to know it's yet another case of mad cuz bad

>>377456883
you won't even make it anywhere close to any of these screenshots, even nagafen the piss easy raid, without enormous amounts of skill, like casting your complete heal EXACTLY on time, not even a 100ms delay is acceptable.
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>>377456940
People complain about LFR because it's completely braindead.
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>>377456940
They complain about LFR gear dropping too high a quality gear and it being too low of a difficulty.

But no, only Mythic has this apply to it. NM/HC do not require minmaxing the shit out of everything
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>>377456815
>muh eq
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>>377456949
>there is nothing difficult about having to clear shitloads of raid trash mobs while your gear is sitting on your corpse an hour away through a mob gauntlet
lol
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>>377441801
On the other hand, do you see any value in making it your goal to obtain a "legendary item" most people will be able to get with ease?
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>>377456995
Kek, you're just parodying yourself now, right?

Can't actually think this.

>>377457076
>trash mobs
>difficult
>trash
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>>377456995
>it's hard because you have to do things exactly on time or you wipe
just
like
mythics
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>>377457123
trash means "non-raid mobs"

a single trash drake in NTOV can kill your entire raid in two to three seconds if your paladins and druids don't have their MGH/oak rotation on point
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>>377457189
You're talking to a brick wall, man. He's not gonna budge his autism.
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>>377457189
no dude you dont get in eq on time means 100000% on time if you miss 00001ms YOU ARE LOSER GET GOOD
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>>377425025
Alright so I never touched WoW because paying a monthly subscription to play a video game is fucking stupid, and the gameplay looked like shit, but getting the best gear was mainly a question of time investment and not ~skill~, correct?
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>>377456690
yeah, I don't game anymore at all, just browse /v casually from time to time when I'm bored

at the time I though I was enjoying myself but after getting out and hanging out with people I discovered what life really has to offer and ascended to whole new levels of fun

wow is addiction (at least it was for me), I guess smokers enjoy smoking but a lot of them would prefer to be 'free' (like not spending their money, time and ruining health for something that, when you think about it, is nor really this rewarding at all)
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>>377457264
>being good at a game now means autism
sounds just like rising ascension, the biggest mad cuz bad guild on povar.
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>>377456815
your trying way to hard to establish yourself and your favorite mmo to be hardcore, but at the same time you are describing
>wiping in sleepers tomb on anything but kerafurm
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>>377457275
Time investment and dedication. You could play all night every night but if you're not gemming and enchanting your gear, bringing consumables and knowing your class' ins and outs pretty much perfectly you're not clearing that mythic raid.
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>>377457275
>but getting the best gear was mainly a question of time investment and not ~skill~, correct?

You won't beat current, relevant Mythic content by simply beating your head against it again and again and again, though. You need a very highly coordinated group in very good gear.
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>You could have nostalgic memories about any of the innumerous unique and interesting MMOs out there
>Instead you have nostalgic memories for proto-WoW

What a fucking waste of emotion
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>>377457380
>kerafurm
you didn't even play eq and you are trying to lecture me, lol
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>>377457410
>>377456995
ITT: massive overstatements and dickwaving about how hard this shit is
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>>377457492
That has been obvious for quite a while, anon.
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>it's a manchildren can't let go of their past episode
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>>377430437
This post is essentially, "remember when WoW was an RPG?"

And yes, I do remember. I remember it very fondly. And ever since Wrath of the Lich King, little by little they've been taking away every single thing that made the game and RPG and streamlined it into an action game. I think it was with WoD's release that they were finally stamped out entirely with the character sheet changing to only display your primary stats.

There are stats and numbers, but they don't mean a lot. Gear exists only to increase your primary stat. Classes have no meaningful differences other than the cosmetic appearance of how you kill things.

Cute pandas couldn't keep me playing this game after Legion. I suffered through WoD for them, but I'm done.
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>>377457610
>Gear exists only to increase your primary stat

Depends entirely on what class you are. There are plenty of specs that rate primary stat below a secondary.
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>>377457482
this is how autistic nostalgiafags are
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>>377457610
nice blog
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>>377457747
tell me more about your mad cuz bad syndrome.
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>377426931
I'll give you that in a lot of Vanilla raids but in BC there was a fair amount of personal skill involved, why do you think so many guilds were stuck farming T4 content forever?
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Who cares? It's not hard to grind a skinner box to feel acomplished and have a flashy item, just time. They just want big numbers, and the developers just want to hook the players.
If you want to feel acomplished and need to let others know, play a skill focused competitive game and show off you rank.
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>>377457837
do you really think everquest is toughest shit ever?
try going outside
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>>377458151
You're using the term skinner box, but you really don't understand it. Display your pseudo intellectualism somewhere else
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>>377449616
I got the best legendaries for both arms and fury and I hate the legendary system with a passion. It's amazing how you can get a legendary and immediately be disappointed.
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>>377427181
>this has no replies

He's right. I enjoy vanilla for what it is but when it comes down to it the end game is dog shit compared to today. It's just tedious
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>>377458857
DELETE THIS
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>>377456868
One of the comics has Anduin preparing to use the Exodar to fight the Legion, however he's much older and repairs have only been just finished on it.

We know that 7.3 we're going to Argus. The idea is that essentially time travels slower in the Twisting Nether, so while we get stranded on Argus in lore (presumably after fighting KJ, since his final phase ends with us reaching Argus on his space ship) several decades pass on Azeroth, and the Argus conflict only ends when an older Anduin and Velen arrive to defeat Sargeras.

So next expac will have a timeskip content overhaul where the void lords show up.
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>>377433474
this
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>>377456690
I've never understood it either. If the game isn't fun I stop playing. Sometimes I come back off and on.

I do that with a lot of older games. I'd play more TF2 if it weren't such an eyesore these days.
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>>377459004
but Sargeras is a good guy
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You fags whining about casuals can go back to Everquest at any time. Empires of Kunark released just this past novermber. You won't, though, because none of you are actually even half as hardcore about the genre as you pretend to be.
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>>377427271
You literally had 20 people as chaff in MC.
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cam someone explain to me why a hot bitch like Tyrande ended up with some fat old fuck like Malfurion?
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>>377459203
He's a good guy like Arthas. His intentions started off noble but he developed into a monster.
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>>377459375
Wasn't his first action to kill all the other titans though because they were a bunch of pussies?
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game is so fucking dead right now, im going to do a fast clear of normal/heroic en/tov while mage tower is up then ill probably join any of the dozens mythic+ pugs later or maybe just have my key carried by a streamer man this game fucking sucks
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>>377459302
>EoK
oh you mean the expansion that was full cleared in a month because EQ has been casualized for ten years?
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>>377458248
Is that not what mmo's are? Mindlessly grinding out the same menial tasks over and over to a science, and get rewarded with loot. It becomes compulsive, whether or not they enjoy playing or not, they stick around to increase some meaningless number. People often use them to socialize, but you can do that in literally any game.
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>>377459374
she got to bang orcs while he was sleeping.
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I WANT A SPACE GOAT WIFE
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>>377459440
Well first thing he did was kill a planet, which was a corrupt baby Titan. Then he started killing Titans because he saw them as unfit to save the universe or some shit.
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>>377459508
A skinner box is just an apparatus to teach a behaviour - do this, reward. do this, punishment. If you're applying it to MMOs it applied to basically any video game. The task being menial or repetitive has nothing to do with skinner boxes.
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Before thread dies I just want to say Tyrande is beautiful and deserves to have dozens of children with other races.
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>>377449497
but she's a dreadlord
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>>377459643
>other races
Fucking delete this
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>>377459643
Tyrande belongs to naga cock
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>>377459559
I WANT A SPACE GOAT WIFE (male)
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>>377457837
>I'm hardcore because I played Autistic mode: the game.
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>>377436626

I don't have a link, but I know I've seen blueposts or an interview or something saying that they're gone after Legion.
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>>377459638
Good job being literal about it, when im clearly referring to simple conditioning, which mmo's rely on harder than any other genre.
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>>377459782
Futas aren't male, you dipshit. Still gay though.
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>>377457018
HC doesn't require stupid amounts of minmaxing, but it's significantly more engaging than normal. with normal, one guy being absolute ass isn't the end of the world, but pugged normals can be hell. I pugged a normal NH and we almost wiped on botanist, i was healing as a Resto Druid, i saved the raid after both our maintanks fucked up mechanics and died, by switching bear tank, typing in chat "IM TANK" and taking aggro. we survived with 5/20 people left

thankfully LFR drops really shitty gear now compared to what you can get just by doing the current gear-catchup zone as well as pushing m+ keys. even the gear-catchup zone requires a fair bit of time, so you can't just go straight into higher content, so the fastest way to gear up is m+, which requires a lot more skill, especially after recent buffs to it.




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