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I loved Bloodborne on the PS4, and now I have an interest in the Souls series. I've heard mixed things about Demon's Souls, the first entry in the series, ranging from "it's amazing" to "it's terrible dated". Should I buy it or start with Dark Souls instead? Discuss.
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>>377451984
buy it or she'll stick a meat cleaver up your ass
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>>377451984
You're going to hear mixed opinions on that too. I think you should buy it.
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Dark souls if only for the still-active online, if you value that component.

Demons is neither the apex of the series nor unplayable, and should be cheap enough at its age to be not a huge monetary risk should you not like it. Personally I think its still well worth a play.

Dark first and if you like it give Demon's a shot.
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>It's terribly dated
Every fucking Souls game is the same slow as molasses swinging a sword combat as the last god fucking damn it who told you this?
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>>377451984
>mixed opinions
every souls game, bruh
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>>377451984
Has the best boss fight in the entire series and 3-1 is the best level in the whole series.
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>>377451984

Demon's Souls is surpassed by every other Souls game that came after it, here is the objective high IQ Soulsborne ranking that nobody can refute:

BB:TOH > DaS3:TFFE > DaS:PTDE > DaS2:SOTFS > DeS

If you have access to a gaming PC, make sure to play Souls trilogy on PC for the best experience, DaS1 needs to be modded, but it is worth it.
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Demon souls is probably the best tb qh
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>>377451984
I would say play Demon's first, however if you don't like it still try Dark Souls.

I played Demon's after all 3 Dark Souls and Bloodborne and I hated it.
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>>377452749
but that's objectively wrong
retard
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It really is a bit more dated than the other games.

I recommend playing all the Dark Souls games first. DS1 is a good start
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Demon's Souls is pretty mediocre from a gameplay aspect. There's gender-locked armor, you're expected to farm and bank tons of healing (as opposed to Bloodborne's 20 blood vial limit). The bosses are for the most part easy as fuck, and the runs back to them are obnoxious. Most enemies are pushovers, but some have incredibly inflated HP values and you're expected to R1 spam them to death since no poise exists. The atmosphere of the game is great, but it's really lacking in many areas. I wouldn't buy a console just to play it, but if you have the means to play it already available and it costs like 20 bucks, go for it.
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>>377451984
DS1=BB>DeS>DS3>>>>>>>>>>>DS2
Thats how i would rank them personally, so if it means anything, i think demon's souls is better than dark souls 3 which is the last one to come out and that clearly feels more like bloodborne. The reason i feel like this is as majority would explain, the general feeling the game gives, the level design, just atmosphere. Game is clearly "dated" by the current standards in terms of gameplay but its still so close that you will feel in charge if you have played dark souls 1, so i would go with dark souls 1 and stick to the end as you skipped it and went to bb right away which i would never recommend but hey bb has to be someones first, anyway you might need to get over the fact its not bloodborne. Then you will feel right at home with demon's souls in terms of movement. At least more so than you would have if you jumped from bb to des.
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If you already have a PS3 just get it. It goes for like 15 bucks now.
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>>377451984
Tower of Latria is still one of the best levels in the souls series.
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>>377451984
I just beat it today, actually. It's slightly dated but not bad. It's very enjoyable.

Imo, DaS1 = BB > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2
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>>377451984
It's great, whoever told you it's dated is retarded. Game is not even 8 years old.

>>377454083
Imagine being this fucking retarded.
It's BB > DaS > DeS
DaS 2 and 3 are soulless cash ins by Bamco while the DeS, DaS and BB are masterpieces.
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>>377451984

Demon's Souls is fucking amazing. The only people who say mixed things about it are fuckers who started with Dark Souls.
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>>377455998
>soulless
But they're souls games?
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Demon's Souls is very cool. In terms of atmosphere it matches Bloodborne. You can tell it was a project of passion and it all oozes through. In terms of mechanics, yes, Dark Souls and BB are more refined. Yet we're talking about a series of games that were all released within 7 years of each other, so even Demon's Souls' "dated" gameplay is still totally current.
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>>377451984
The Souls series is so fucking barebones from a gameplay standpoint that I never understood how this was an actual complaint. Healing is a bit cheesy (still harder than Dark Souls), item management is annoying, and no plunging attacks, but that's about it. None of these take away from the experience in any significant way, because these games rely more on an interesting world (which Demon's Souls definitely has) to keep you entertained than super refined mechanics, Bloodborne excluded.
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>>377451984
Start with Dark Souls and then play Demon's Souls. The game is kinda dated, but it's still a fantastic game.
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>>377451984
it's better than dark souls. of course buy it.
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Demon's is the classic and you're doing yourself a disservice by not playing it as soon as possible
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>>377451984
does everyone have to agree unanimously on a game before you buy it?
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>>377451984
Can always start with Dark Souls and go back later and play Demon's later if you're still interested. Might be best since some things like world tendency in Demon's can be a bit confusing at first.
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Here we go
Demons souls is one of the best if not the best souls game .
BB=Des>ds1>ds3>ds3
This is the most correct order and you literally cannot prove me wrong
It's a fact
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Demon's souls has the BEST atmosphere in the series and it feels like an actual adventure though the old broken world unlike ds1
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>>377457234
World tend isn't that crazy
Just look up a guide so you know how you wanna go
I always offed myself in the Nexus from human form
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>>377457234
Why would he play the inferior version of DeS ?
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>>377457314
Darkbabbies will argue or just point out
>ds3>ds3
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>>377456219
This
Fuck normalfags and pc niggers
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>>377454472
>>377455218
>>377454221
>>377454083
>>377452743
WRONG
Demon's souls may be the best souls game if bloodborne didn't exist
Just because you niggers started with ds1 doesn't mean it's the best
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>>377457810
Opinions, my guy
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>>377457570
He's right though. DS3 was amazing, but DS3 was garbage.
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>>377451984
fastest movement next to dark souls 3. No bonfire checkpoints but you can dupe heal spells out the ass.
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*blocks your path*
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>be 12
>shitposting on /v/ as usual
>see lots of this "demon's souls" game threads hyping the shit out of it
>some anons even imported the asian version before the US release
>"hardest game ever"
>everyone making inside jokes that only players would get, "git gud" still didn't exist (that was a dark souls 1 thing)
>decide to stop playing modern warfare and give this game a chance
>get a used copy and played it through
>found it mediocre at best, went back to FPSs

>2017
>be 19
>huge Souls turbonerd
>shilled the fuck out of Bloodborne because I bought a PS4 at release
>Got Dark Souls II and III as well
>I need to pretend I loved Demon's Souls because if I said what I really thought of it back then I'd be ridiculed
>Can't play it because I sold my ps3 and all its games when I got a ps4

fug.
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>>377458478
>>2017
>>be 19
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They're all worth playing.

Expect vanilla Dark Souls II fuck that shit.
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>>377451984
DeS has the best level and thematic design of all Souls games. The other entries are more polished, but DeS is on a whole other level where it really counts. Like BB, Japan Studio helped keep From in line unlike DaS, so there is actual quality control. DaS is a shitty cash grab, which is why it is published by Bandai Namco.
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>DaS is a shitty cash grab
stale b8.

only cash grab is Dark Souls 2 at launch which was obviously rushed.
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>>377459036

Dark Souls wasn't a full on cash grab but it was casualized and moved to shit platforms that immediately ruined the amazing community Demon's had built up.
Dark is a great game too, 10/10 but it was not the artistic achievement Demon's Souls was.
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>>377458780
>DeS level design
Here, I drew a picture of 1/3rd of the encounters in DeS
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>>377457871
It's not just opinions. There is clearly superior game design technique implemented in DeS, and technique is objective. DeS has better connectivity because it uses verticality for shortcuts instead of le open world meme like DaS1. DeS has better enemy variety because each world not only has wildly different enemies, but the enemies match a theme for each world. Speaking of which, DeS is the only game to reach high thematic goals that go beyond simple art design which wildly alter the approach you have to take when defeating each world. DeS is also the only game with completely unique bosses, whereas every DaS boss is basically just a copy of Flamelurker's overly aggressive behavior because memes.

Its just a flat out better game, my dude.
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>>377459434
>le open world meme like DaS1
Stopped reading there
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>>377459036
Dark Souls was literally a rushed game, even more than 2. Bamco urged them to release it before it was really complete so that they could compete with Skyrim of all things, and it really shows.
Half of the game sucks while the other half is brilliant and there's lots of odd design choices and un-used content compared to every other game, and the game was an even bigger mess filled with bugs on launch, but people forgave it because the game was ambitious as fuck and had a lot of heart and soul regardless of its many issues. DaS2 was a more consistent experience on launch, though it never reaches the highs that DaS1 achieved.

The reason why Bloodborne is the best souls game is because it has the same ambition, talent and heart that was behind DaS1 while still not being rushed and having Japan Studio's help.
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>>377459036
>>377459036
>stale b8.
>being this naive
Bandai Namco is where developers go to sell out. You are literally retarded.
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>>377459434
>DeS has better connectivity because it uses verticality for shortcuts instead of le open world meme like DaS1
dark souls also utilizes verticality in many areas though, and if you call dark souls 1 "open world" you're a fucking moron

>DeS has better enemy variety
provide a list of enemy variety in demon's souls compared to dark souls 1 and then consider how similar all of demon's souls' enemies are despite being "different"

>DeS is also the only game with completely unique bosses, whereas every DaS boss is basically just a copy of Flamelurker's overly aggressive behavior because memes
list out how every dark souls boss is like flamelurker
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>>377459036
lol and das1 wasn't rushed? have you even played the second half of the game
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>>377459630
The world design in DaS1 is objectively terrible and shortcuts have you running backwards through levels at times. It was a bad idea which is why the devs never did it it again. Stop being autistic.
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>>377459870
>provide a list of enemy variety in demon's souls compared to dark souls 1
Every DeS world has unique enemies.
>then consider how similar all of demon's souls' enemies are despite being "different"
Even similar enemy types are wildly different. For example, the standard 'grunt' units of world 4 roll at you because world 4 has a THEME of constant aggression, whereas the grunt units of world 5 are slow, numerous, positioned awkwardly, and do fuck tons of damage because world 5 has a THEME of constantly being oppressed by a huge poisonous swamp. DaS has nothing like this. The deepest DaS design gets is 'durr this will look cool, toss it in there.'
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>>377459434
>>377459940
>le open world meme
>generic "X is just a reskinned Y" argument
>objectively
You're shit at arguing, friend.
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>>377459940
>never did it it again
Bloodborne
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>>377460327
>LALALALA IM NOT LISTENING DaS1 IS AMAZING AND HAS NO FLAWS
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>>377451984
If DeS is "dated" then so are DaS 1 and 2.
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>DeS has the better setting and atmosphere
>DaS is the better game

BB and 3 shit on both

it's really that simple. Soulsfans are fucking retarded
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>>377460490
Nope, BB uses vertical shortcuts like DeS. Just because the map is 'connected' does not mean it was designed like DaS1.
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>>377460614
>LALALALA IM NOT LISTENING DeS IS AMAZING AND HAS NO FLAWS
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>>377460614
>if I aggressively strawman his post, I will be victorious!
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>>377460723
>DeS has the better setting and atmosphere
>DaS is the better game
>Here are zero reasons why
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>>377451984
I still think DeS is my favourite out of all the souls games I liked the nexus hub and I liked the atmosphere better than the other games apart from the first half of BB. If your coming from BB to DeS you will find character movement and combat in general to be a lot clunkier and slower but that could be said of any of the souls games due to the heavier armour and weapons etc
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>>377459870
>list out how every dark souls boss is like flamelurker
Every DaS boss uses the same super aggressive style Flamelurker did instead of being an original fight and the few that weren't were standard wail on it until it dies fights.

Wow that was hard.
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>>377460289

This.
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>>377461132
>not having a gimmick = flamelurker
>flamelurker was the only "hit it til it dies" boss in DeS
Also
>super aggressive style
Seriously? I could count on one hand the bosses in DaS that I'd consider super aggressive.
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>>377461132
Unique doesn't equal good, anon. A lot of the fights in DeS are forgettable and easy (don't pretend you or anybody gives a shit about any of the VoD fights aside from Astraea) and the most memorable fights are the more straightforward ones like Flamefucker, Penetrator, King Allant, etc which is why those style of fights were built up further in later games.
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>>377451984
Das3 is the most similar souls game to Bloodborne, gameplay wise. If you use a dagger you can even quickstep.

Having just replayed DeS about a week ago, it's clunkier, slower, and aged than it's successors, but it has it's own merits. Definitely give it a shot.
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It was my second souls game and I'd say it's my personal favorite, I think they really nailed the atmosphere. Tower of Latria has got to be my favorite area in a souls game.It'd be perfect in my eyes if it just had some more content and the ability to level up at bonfires.
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>>377461635
I liked VoD's fights, the embodiments of filth helped build up Astraea and made her more jarring.




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