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Is it dead?

I hope so.
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>>393231769
>I hope so

why?
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>>393231769
I have no faith the game itself will be good, but I do look forward to exploring all these places in 3d.
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>versus xiii was killed for this
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>>393232140

I thought versus XIII became Type-0.
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>>393232026
>being sold three times for the full experience
>character and plot changes are "necessary"
>they're doing AC emo cloud
>combat system looks like shit
>Aeris doesn't die DLC
It's going to suck.
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>>393232230
>Tifa's milk bags will be shrunk
It's why they refuse to show her.
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>>393232230
>plot changes are "necessary"
of course they fucking are, the original script is garbage
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>>393232479
Can't wait for Genesis to tell me about Loveless either.

Original script was mostly fine and I wouldn't be against fixing some of the localization issues, but they're gonna add too much to it.
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>>393232230
>>combat system looks like shit

This is the reason I won't touch it. FF15's combat was not in anyway a system or enjoyable.
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>>393232869
pretty much my thinking

desu id love to go back to old school ATB systems, but apparently SE and the general internet fuckwits thinks this is far too regressive
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it's two completely separate battle systems headed by two different teams.
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>>393233263
I would have settled for a remaster, FFVII never needed a remake.
>>393233268
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
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>>393233268
the fact that SE thought that ff15s battle system was good in the first place is why i have no confidence in them this time around

obviously this is subjective af
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Kurasufasto solja kuraudo.
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completely forgot about it
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>>393233263
I can live with updating/tweaking/spreading out over a couple of games. I don't mind that, even understand it.

But I can not stress enough how shit I think FF15's combat system is, it is retarded, immersion breaking, un-intuitive and at times confusing.

And stop saying desu, you're a grown ass man.
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>>393233717
>And stop saying desu
anon please, you might be new.
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>>393231769
After the fucking travesty that was 15 I fucking hope so.
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It's going to be absolute garbage.
The gameplay is already a write-off, there's no way it'll be a faithful reproduction of FFVII now they've opted for ARPG combat, but I'd still happily buy it if they leave the story unmolested.

The problem is they wont. SE just can't leave anything well enough alone, and if not for Gackt cockblocking the use of his likeness (the same reason Crisis Core isn't on the PSN) we'd likely have elements of the Compilation of FFVII shitting up the narrative. VII was a product of its era like an 80's action film, and if you try to modernise it the whole thing is just going to fall apart.
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>>393233717
desu is an autocorrect, i wasnt aware of it myself

works from tobefair, if that doesnt also get autocorrected

the frame rate and frame timing was also dogshit in ff15, and i really dont want to have to wait years for the eventual pc release
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>>393232198
No, assets were used as the basis for Noctis and a few others from FF15, though there was some iterative work and changing of personality and background a bit.... at least according to squeenix.

Type-0 was Agito 13.
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>tifa won't call barret a retard
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>>393234229
>and if you try to modernise it the whole thing is just going to fall apart.
Explains why nobody at SE wants to touch this game. Last I heard, development is in total disarray.
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>>393232198
Versus13 became Lightning Returns.
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>>393234465
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>>393231769
>be excite
>think tifa tits
>think tifa slap fight
>think revamped everything
>suddenly
>episodic
>60 dollars an episode
>midgar alone can easily be an episode
>years between episodes
Yeah, I kinda hope it is dead as well. Probably have DLC and shit too like having Aeris around after her death but only on a 100% NG+
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>>393232230
>they're doing AC emo cloud
No, they're not
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>>393234583
Sure, whatever you say buddy.
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>>393232230
>combat system looks like shit

combat looks good, at least 100 times better than ZzZzZz ATB.
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>>393234547
Versus footage still makes me sad. What could have been.
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>>393234725
Here is the people that will buy it. People that complain about the dated graphics or ATB combat system. The majority of people that buy this game will not be fans of FFVII, it'll people people that heard about it but refused to play it because it's not some autistic flashy action game with modern graphics.
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>>393232869
How do you know it plays like 15? Have you played it? Mind sharing the demo, I'd love to try it.
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>>393234229
Shrinking Tifa's boobs like this is fine though, why people always protest it?
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>>393232230
>being sold three times for the full experience
Not even confirmed to have three "episodes", the structure IS like XIII saga, full game with each entry.
>character and plot changes are "necessary"
This I do afraid.
>they're doing AC emo cloud
From the bits and pieces we've seen, not yet
>combat system looks like shit
??
>Aeris doesn't die DLC
??
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>>393235439
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMWEjWCwjzM
>they even have some of the same animations like when hes slipping through a tight squeeze

Not even that anon but its been obvious they are going to be quite similar. which is a shame since they could have gone with something more akin to KH2 and be better off for it even If I would prefer they go the route of ATB.
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>>393235598
Die.
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>>393234868
People played 7 because it was marketed on it's graphics. It's fair to skip it for the same reason.
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>>393235598
Because she's video game's very own original busty oneesan.
It's sacrilege.
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>>393231769
Aeris is not an "it"
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>>393231769
No. I'm certain it's still being worked on, it's just the secondary back burner project while SE churns out their lovely mobile garbage that the Japs eat up so well. But I'm sure it will come out eventually, years from now, and disappoint everyone looking forward to it.
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>>393234229
>if you try to modernise it the whole thing is just going to fall apart
Why would they touch the story.
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What would it take for Square Enix to stop going all-out on long-term projects?
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>>393235973
>People played 7 because it was marketed on it's graphics
It was not, it was marketed like a Hollywood movie due to story structure and cinematic, they gloated about having over 60 minutes of it.

FFVII didn't sell they way it did because of marketing though, it was word of mouth.
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>>393235598
People are just retarded and want to over the top tits from the two FMV scenes instead of the ingame model or art
But people already hate every single aspect of this game anyway so why even bother making threads about it.
They could always play the orignal with retarded texutre and model swaps if they want it that way
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>>393235740
That's how people maneuver over tight space, why would they even bother to animate anything new if it accomplishes the same goal. I'm talking about combat here, anon, the fact that it has a menu bar, indicates it's not even close to 15. It didn't have Tabata's old hand in it, it didn't even have the same team working on it.
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>>393231769
Babbies first 3d jprg, so who cares
Any game could've taken its place if it came first
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>>393235740
It honestly looks way closer to KH than XV especially with the newer screenshots.
But nowadays everyone thinks realtime combat 0 XV combat
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>>393236218
>from the two FMV scenes instead of the ingame model or art

Oh look, another faggot who never actually played the game.
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>>393236481
She was huge in Ehrgeiz too. That to me is the real Tifa
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>>393236556
This
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>>393234583
I'd believe you if that wasn't a total lie
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>>393236679
thats a terrible angle
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>>393236186
>making fun of transsexuals
>crossdressing
>profuse swearing
>domestic abuse
>sexual exploitation of women
>depiction of stereotypical native american facsimiles
>animal abuse
FFVII toed the line even during its era. I have no problem with it, but you can imagine the flak and outrage SE would get by not removing, or at least heavily toning-down some of this shit?
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>>393236973
>a side angle showing off her bust is a bad angle
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>>393236186
One of the bad guys whole deal was making a talking dog fuck humans.
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>>393237051
yes, as the model is all distorted and fucked up
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>>393231769
>Big ass halogen lights blinding the city 24/7
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>>393231769
Game looks fine.
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>>393236186
They've already said they're going to.

Also there's a lot of shit in FFVII that's not politically correct or acceptable by today's standards. Some of it was pretty inappropriate for its time as well, actually, but back then video games (RPGs especially) were not the huge deal they are now. They were still primarily played by introverted teenage boys back then. This is the same reason Xenogears got away with talking about killing God and a priest selling himself into teenage prostitution.

I will be thoroughly amazed if the entire Wall Market scenario with Don Corneo and the Honey Bee Inn is in the game at all.
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>>393237649
I live across the street from an office park and that's basically the reality I experience every night.
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>>393231769
Unpopular opinion, can't fucking wait for it. Probs not gonna see it ever come out though.
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>>393236964
>Clod has about two lines of dialogue from trailers so far.
>Emo cloud comfirmed.
Whatever.
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I wonder if they will just write Tifa out of the story, and push Aeris. One problem I have with the original FF7 in relation to all other extended material is that they really try to drive home that Cloud was into Aeris, but during the game he's sort of split with Tifa and Aeris leaning Tifa.

I know that Tifa has a very important role in the story, but they might just throw it all away. I wouldn't put it past squenix.

Maybe one of the reasons they haven't shown Tifa is because they are sticking to her original design and don't want to risk bad press until release. I wouldn't count on it though.

>>393238412
You are right, because if anyone actually played the game, they'd remember that Cloud is an asshole at the start of the game, and over the course of the game becomes a better person, and a better character. Since all we've seen is the beginning, we don't know if he'll still have that character growth. Though if squenix handles him like they do in pretty much all extended universe stuff, he'll be an emo shitter by the end.
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>>393239389
Well in the game he's only into flower girl because she was zach's girl friend and he was confusing himself with zach. Before and after his trauma cloud was into the town bike.
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>>393231769


See this? This right here.

See it?

Get a good look.

This is why I'm glad Chrono Break never materialized and there's zero talk of Chrono Trigger ever getting even so much as a fucking remaster.

The Squaresoft of our youth is dead. The company and production team that could shit a masterpiece RPG on command has died, divided or retired.
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>>393238412
Square has insisted on using emo Cloud in everything following original FF7 itself
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>>393240282
The only thing that triggered me is the Sephiroth wing. That shit is retarded Nomura, stop trying to make it work. The following is not directed at you anon.
>inb4 Sephiroth did have wings in the game
Only his Safer and that other form. Never once did Sephiroth had wings in his normal form. That shit is AC nonsense.
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>>393240545
Even the trailer he's a bit of an asshole. If anything I'd want to fix is that monotonous voice. Killed Lightning for me, had to play Japanese to even "enjoy" XIII. But Japanese Vanille is too high pitched and that annoys me as well.
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>>393232376
After Nier Automata and FFXV?

Maybe they're putting off the reveal until there's more hype momentum? Liking FFVII is almost a "gamer culture" status symbol. There are bound to be fans who are the equivalent of people who wear rock band tee shirts without being able to name a song. SE can't risk offending anyone until pro-hype articles for FFVII remake is more profitable for journalists than criticism.
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>>393240835
Honestly, given how often they showed Sephiroth "flying" in the game, it makes sense to have the now iconic wing over him just superman flying.
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>>393239389
>Maybe one of the reasons they haven't shown Tifa is because they are sticking to her original design and don't want to risk bad press until release.
You know what, I think you're on to something here, it's plausible that western gaming journalist will write a 20 paragraph commenting on how demeaning Tifa's design is once her 3d model is shown and Square's just don't want to be bothered with it right now. Heck, I bet, western journalist WILL write something about it, if SE did stick to Tifa's original design.
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>>393240003
That's not true, cloud don't even know about Aerith and Zack, he didn't magically gain his memories.
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>>393241293
Goku can fly willy nilly, Toriyama didn't design wings on him, heck there's tonnes of japanese characters that float and fly just like Sephiroth. It's just Nomura and his emm, I don't realy want to use this word, but, "edgy" design.
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>>393234443
This...
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>>393241591
Throwing away Tifa would be retarded. At the very least she is necessary to put Cloud back together after he falls in the lifestream
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>>393242951
Sorry meant for >>393239389
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>>393241682
In crisis core zach told him about her.
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>>393231769


It kind of died for me when it became episodic.

This remake is a hard sell at this point.
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>>393243168
IIRC (and take into account it's been almost a full decade since I've played it) he never mentions her by name, just that he has a girl back in midgar
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>>393232140
no it was killed because the director couldnt take his head out of his ass
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>>393239389
>>393240003

You guys did play the game, right? Aeris served as an older sibling or mother role for Cloud. Part of the reason you could romance her was because Japanese culture has a hard on for nurturers. She clearly has a nurturing personality. And Cloud knew who Aeris was due to Zack being a hardcore social butterfly.

Tifa is integral to Cloud's character arc. She's the reason he tried to join soldier. If you really want to boil it down; Teenager Cloud's desire to impress Tifa is what eventually led to the world being saved.
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>>393231769
>Advent children Sephiroth
Dropped.
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>>393244046
>If you really want to boil it down; Teenager Cloud's desire to impress Tifa is what eventually led to the world being saved
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>>393232198
type 0 was announced before versus 13, so no.
versus 13 became 15
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>>393244046
Cloud didn't know who Aeris was.
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>>393241591
they should market it first by saying they cut her out of the game for social reasons. i would like to see the reaction to that
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>>393244046
>Aeris served as an older sibling or mother role for Cloud
So Cloud is Char/Amuro? Oh my god. Wait, meteor is Axis, the first meteor (Jenova) is colony drop, geostigma is human's still being weighted down by gravity, Sephiroth is Char.
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>>393244046
That's some butterfly effect shit right there
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>>393231769
As long it doesnt have a rehash of emo brooding Cloud which is exactly what Nomura likes to shove in projects he has directed.
The disc 2 part will be terrible if it happens, especially with the usual square enix """acting""" that has been happening since X.
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>>393246163
>especially with the usual square enix """acting""" that has been happening since X.
I don't think those exaggerated movements even exist in XII, XIII and XV. Or at least they've toned down in those entries.
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>>393246539
I'm talking about the usual voice acting delivery that seems to have a directive of sounding as unnatural and awkward as possible (FFXIII was so painful), maybe that's an english dub issue with square? I dunno.
FFXII seems to be the outlier as it feels more like a stage play rather than a bad anime dub.
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>>393246897
Oh, you meant voice acting. I think it's a dubbing issue. Some japanese sentences just feels awkward to be translated into english. And that's why sub>dub. Unless the game is written in a western way. The pre PS2 FF (and XII) has this, but the later ones seems to take influence on anime.
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>>393231769

** Very slowly shrugs with box hands **
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>>393231769
I think Square has a high chance to fuck stuff up, but so far I'm fine with everything I've seen
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>>393232479
compared to what you get today in jrpg? nah man not even close even with cloud jumping on a delphin to enter junon lol
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>>393232230
making it multiple games wrecks the entire thing out of the gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfMhZlyX50U
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>>393250449
That desperate for views anon?
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>>393232107
episode by episode
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>>393250523
you desperate for excuses?
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>>393243267

Why? It's technically the best available solution. If they tried cramming everything into a single release, a lot of content would have to be cut and the development time would be much longer.
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I hope not. I want to see Tifacucks get btfo again. They are easily the most cancerous and delusional VII posters.
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>>393236186
thats like asking why does SE do any of the shit things they do? who knows? fact remains they do.
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>>393251027


That's what they say, but this is Square Enix.
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>>393251027
dont worry you still get cut content from the original in favor of new ideas and story beats from the idiots at SE no matter how many times they splitt the game up. we already had some reports of SE thinking about starting FF7r with a different opening.. yeah one of the most iconic openings in video games. This is what SE is.
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>>393250765
Nice comeback. You sure showed me.
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>>393251246
Source : My ass
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>>393249221
I audibly exhaled.
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>>393231769
I'm genuinely excited for it even though i don't own a ps4
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>>393251126

Whatever they say, it's a necessity anyone should understand. Yes, there are still ways to ruin things down the line, but at least the starting point isn't straight up fucked.
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>>393231769
Me too, it looked horrible and there's no way a remake is gonna do it justice, the fact that they say they :"need to change parts of the story for modern times" is ridiculous.
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Yes
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>>393251837
>the fact that they say they :"need to change parts of the story for modern times"
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>>393251407
Are you talking to yourself? Do i need to hold up a mirror?
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>>393231769
I feel like a sucker for even considering spending a dollar on it, given all the bad things I've been hearing about it (including a hack like Nomura being given complete creative control) but a part of me still really wants this to be good.
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>>393232026
Because we want a new RPG?
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>>393231769
I think of it more like a tribute than a remake honestly, I don't even remotely expect it to be something like REmake where it kinda replaces the original.
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>>393252006
I'm not the one talking in front of mic speculating about nonsense that I can easily read on /v/.
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>>393252317
We got Project Octopath and KH3 next year, won't those count?
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>>393252458
EVERYTHING about the game we currently have is nothing but speculation and snibets of what se/normure/who ever said in various interviews.
We have nothing concrete at all only the stuff they tell us.
If this bothers you why are you even in here.
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>>393252317
And you got that with XV.
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>>393252786
Well, I'm not the one shilling my video on /v/.
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>>393231769
>Remake
>Nomura
I'm shaking to be honest.
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>>393235740
>Barret seems cool and collected instead of the angry sperg he was in the original

I bet they'll ruin Cid too. Thinking about it, the only character they'd probably not fuck up is Vincent because all they have to do is have him keep his mouth shut.
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>>393253170
>Well, I'm not the one shilling my video on /v/.
True you are just the idiot throwing your !own made up shit! at me cause you are the main character in your idiot life and therefore you think everything you imagine must be true.

Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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>>393237192
Come on now that's not fair to the best mad scientist.

Hojo only had one of each species for experimentation and he wasn't confident that he would finish his work before they died, so he tried to kill two birds with one stone by breeding hybrids that he could use for both projects.
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>>393251075
how so
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>>393252671
I don't care about FF7, i already played it.
>>393252816
Yea, that's why i want them to move on and take a whole new direction. Playing the nostalgia card is the opposite of that.
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am I the only one that would prefer it to be episodic, I wouldnt mind if the length of midgar is extended to like 15 hours
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>>393246897
>FFXII seems to be the outlier as it feels more like a stage play rather than a bad anime dub.
I chalk it up to the localization/translation team making an effort to get the script to sound a bit Shakespearean and having a mix of Stage-trained Brits and Americans dubbing the lines.
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>>393232376
I fucking hope you're wrong.
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>>393254805
SEnix just didn't expect XV to sell.
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No turn-based = No buy
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Can we get a FFVIIR thread that's not full of bitter assumptions or is that just not happening?
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>>393255205

What the fuck are you expecting? We don't know shit about the game yet. There's nothing to be had BUT speculations and assumptions.

And hell, what little we do know, we're discussing.

The combat we know a little about, and we know it'll be released episodically. What the fuck are you expecting from a thread like this?
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>>393255274
>what little we do know, we're discussing
Boy would that be great if that was true. But all it is is "IT'S GONNA BE SHIIIIIIIIT" cause gotta be angry about something. In fact since there wasn't any news about the game, wouldn't it make more sense to not have threads about nothing?
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>>393255205
Modern Squeenix's business practices and the quality of their recent products puts a huge damper on any faith rested on VIIR. If Squeenix did release quality products, you'd probably hear less bitching and griping and probably more hopeful (for /v/ at least) speculation than normal. As it stands, any mention of VIIR is going to bring disillusioned FF fans out of the woodwork.
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>yfw lootboxes catch on and a lot of the end-game equipment materia are lootbox-exclusive

And you know it could happen too. You know how money-hungry SE are these days. They'll try it if they think they can get away with it.

I, for one, welcome the death of the industry.
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>>393255160
FFVII was never turn-based
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>>393255274
>What the fuck are you expecting from a thread like this?
Well, a thread free of Youtube shilling for one.
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>>393255396
>"IT'S GONNA BE SHIIIIIIIIT"

The reason you're hearing this so many times ITT is because (and read this slowly now): what little we know looks like shit.
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>>393231769
Fuck we can only hope so m8.
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The last turn based FF game was FFX if I recall, which was released all the way back in 2001 (I guess FFX-2 as well). Since then, every FF has had some form of Action based combat that can't even do it better than Kingdom hearts 1-2. Seriously how did we go from great games like FF6, FF9, even the orignal FF7, to the garbage we have now? Can you imagine a PS4 HD graphics game but with the old Turn based system combined with an actual good story and character development that isn't completely retarded? Wow they would probably surpass FF7s original sales numbers if they fucking tried.
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>>393255496
>what little we know looks like shit
Does it though? The trailer looked pretty good and it's just about all we have. Episodic release might or might not be good depending on whether we get a full game worth of content out of a single episode, but nobody can say anything for sure about that. Anything else is just completely insane speculation like >>393255439
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>>393255579
>Can you imagine a PS4 HD graphics game but with the old Turn based system combined with an actual good story and character development that isn't completely retarded?

Honestly, no. No I can't imagine that. It's gotten to the point where Square Enix making that many good, sound and reasonable decisions in one game is too far a stretch of the imagination for me to comprehend.
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>>393255579
turn-based fucking blows. It has to be ATB. Btw FF9 and FF6 had the worst battle systems of their platforms
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>>393255579
>I guess FFX-2 as well
X-2 isn't turn based, just as a good bunch of FFs before X
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>>393255579
It's just the game aiming at casual who want "action".
I think it's not possible to make a good action rpg with party members. Turn based is way better for that.
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>>393255439
SE has openly stated that they want to follow the "games as a service" model for all of their new projects. I think we're being let off easy with FFVIIR just being episodic. I fully expect something as shady as lootboxes in FFXVI.

Glad I'm officially done with any non-Dragon Quest games they put out.
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>>393255707
>final fantasy 6
>worst battle system on platform
that title goes to mystic quest, m80
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>>393231769
Anybody who actually things Nu-Enix will be competent enough to deliver a remotely decent FFVII remake is deliberately lying to themselves. Look at FFXIII and FFXV, then tell me they won't absolutely fuck the game up? The Square Enix that made FFVII in the 90s has long since ceased to exist, leaving behind an empty shell.

What's more the character models all look fucking terrible. If Square Enix were smart they'd have stuck with their KH1 Cloud look and just made a better looking version of that. Instead they opted for the "realism" meme and now Cloud looks like a massive faggot. This game is beyond salvation.
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>>393255274
Then, why even bother discussing it if we don't even know jackshit about it. There's 2 trailers, a couple of gameplay concept screenshots and a statement from SE that the game would be structure like XIII and it's sister series. Are we discussing our own fantasy here?
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>>393255664
This.
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>>393255630

Okay, I'll play along. What do we know from the trailer?

>the game looks pretty
True, but so does everything. Having nice graphics isn't a hook anymore, and it certainly doesn't impress anyone, does it? Everything these days "looks nice".

>the combat is action-based
The only other games with arguably (depending a little on where you draw the line) are FF15 and Lightning Returns. Two shit games who's primary criticism was the shit combat. And this looks to be just more of that.

>episodic
Very few games I can think of have ever become better by being episodic. It ruins the flow, the sense of adventure and means that by part 9, you'll have forgotten that NPC you talked to in part 2, because that's 4 years ago.
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>>393255664

I cannot state enough how much I agree with this post. This much rationality all at once from SE is practically a fantasy at this point. The final fantasy.
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>>393255816
I thought Cloud looked alright in Dissidia (PSP and Arcade) and Sm4sh.
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>>393255750
>I think it's not possible to make a good action rpg with party members
They could if they actually capitalize on the wait mode in XV and making it ala Dragon age.
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>>393255816
>Nu-Enix

I always have to wonder why people like you make the derogatory name something to do with Enix. Enix was the better company before the merger, and what's left of the Enix side are the only teams that actually make anything worthwhile now.
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>FFVII remake comes out
>its actually good
how would you react
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>>393255959
Wait for the complete edition then
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>>393246897
It's all about VA direction.
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>>393255856
>the combat is action-based
They already stated that the combat is ATB
>Very few games I can think of have ever become better by being episodic
That's because so far all individual episodes of episodic games are short as fuck, so again we'd have to look at individual episode volume
>by part 9
Also I think they said there will be 3 or so episodes in total
>you'll have forgotten that NPC you talked to
That happens in long enough games anyway
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>>393255928
>better than Vagrant Story, Legend of Mana, Chrono, golden age FF, etc etc etc

yeah, no, DQcucks pls go
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its going to be shit because theres no way they are bringing back all the content from the original. there was so much shit to do and explore and secrets/easter eggs to find in that game I've no clue how they'd manage to bring it all back. its safe to say that its just going to be a rush through the main plot quests and locations right?
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>>393255959

I don't know. My expectations are now set in Satan's wine cellar, so if it by some miracle turns out to not eat shit through a straw, I don't know how it'd make me feel.
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They rushed out the announcement so they can impress everyone by having it alongside TLG and Shenmue 3
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>>393255959
We don't really need to worry about things that aren't possible, anon.
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>>393255816
Problem with FF7 remake is they cannot win no matter how you swing it. You either disappoint the old fans or alienate the new fans who can't stand the old style. Going with anything in-between is a coin toss.
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>>393255928
>Enix was the better company before the merger
Enix didn't make shit before the merger, they always hired other companies to make their games
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>>393256012

I have a feeling it's going to be a lot MORE on-rails than the original, mostly for the reasons you stated.

It might sound too jaded of me, and I know they've said they'll have an overworld of some sort, but I don't know if I actually... believe them.

Overworlds as a concept seem to be a thing of the past, and I don't think they're gonna' dare bother with it. We might get some huge empty FF15-style map though.
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>>393256000
>They already stated that the combat is ATB
Source
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Episodes are definitely a good thing. They'd have to cut so much detail to make it economically feasible nowadays if it was just going to be one game. And to be honest, anyone who seriously expects FF7 with HD graphics and no other changes is going to be massively disappointed. Condition yourself to expect something else, something different, and maybe you get some sort of enjoyment from whatever comes out in 2021.
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>>393256115
>Overworlds as a concept seem to be a thing of the past, and I don't think they're gonna' dare bother with it.

Which is a goddamn shame, doubly so because they learned nothing from all the western dabbling in open world. I think FF12 got it right in terms of overworld vs open world so you still have large interconnected zones without going overboard.
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>>393256169
Not him but see >>393256075
Its a mixture of action and atb.
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>>393256000
>They already stated that the combat is ATB
When was this? The last official thing I'd heard was that they wanted to make it action-based akin to XV's.
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>>393256075
>a hp bar
>a mp bar
>a limit bar

How does this confirm ATB again?
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>>393256205
I think something like this would be good. Just break down midgar into sections.

Part of the appeal for the exploration for me though, in the original FF7, was all the camera angles and diverse perspectives for each scene. I thought that was awesome. I hope they could recreate some of that, or it wont feel the same.
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>>393256263
Limits do have bars. HP and MP are just numbers in the old game.
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>>393256417

Yes, but you can clearly see that both HP and MP are bars here that are there to indicate how close the player is to max and min values.

Again, I reiterate: how does this confirm ATB?
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>>393256169
I think he is saying something that Kitase mentioned, how they don't want to ignore the old fans or something like that.

>>393256243
>The last official thing I'd heard was that they wanted to make it action-based akin to XV's
Source?
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>>393256539
>how they don't want to ignore the old fans or something

And how did he/you/whoever get "ATB CONFIRMED!!!!" from this? The fact that they don't want to ignore older fans probably just means that "Attack" will be the option on top of the menu, and that the numbers that arise from enemies will still be white.

Jumping to a conclusion about the core battle system is a little much, especially considering how clearly SE have been wanting to do KH/FF15 combat.
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>>393256191
>>393254819
This. I don't understand what is so bad about it being episodic, other than having to wait. It would just be like a TV show that comes out in seasons like Game of Thrones. There is too much content to do all at once if you want to have it at a high quality.
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>>393256494
It doesn't. Sorry I misunderstood your post. Even Kitase mentions the combat to be in the middle between action and ATB. But then again, ATB is like the mix of action and turn based. Probably people are taking too much from Kitase's word.
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>>393255759
see
>>393256005
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>>393256539
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/03/07/final-fantasy-vii-remakes-battles-wont-command-based-action-based/
He doesn't compare it to xv at all though
>>393256494
>how does this confirm ATB?
...because it has an ATB meter
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>>393256721

No worries, I was actually kinda' hoping you COULD confirm ATB, because I am one of the few people alive who actually really liked the turn-based-and-action-based hybrid.

Oh well. We'll have to see then.
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>>393256779
Does limit have a stock gauge now? That would be pretty sick
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>>393256659
Calm down, I'm just saying that he probably got that idea from that statement from Kitase and from that screenshot.
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>>393256779
The fact that it has an ATB meter is not an indication of ATB combat. By what we've seen ATB does not translate to what we remember ATB being from the original.
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>>393256779
They're still probably going to do "something in middle" again. Sheeesh. Turn based or action, make up your mind SE.
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>>393255579
But the old turn based combat was trash
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a mixture of X-2 and Type-0 combat, with the ability to move around and jump. What would be so bad about that?
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>>393256941
How many times does Nomura have to say that battles are action-based for it to penetrate your thick skull? He's said it in like 10 different interviews since they first showed gameplay
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If the overworld looks like FFXV, that'd be amazing. And the lack of detail wouldn't be a low point, because it'd still be 10 times more detailed than the original.
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>>393257164
>like FFXV
Fuck off retard.
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These people who clamored for a remake for the past decade, what were they expecting? The identical game with shiny new graphics?
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>>393257224
I personally want them to update the gameplay, and add content, make smart improvements where possible as long as they dont ruin anything, and have it be episodic. So far everything looks pretty good to me.
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>>393257224

Personally, yes. Add a few more super-bosses, perhaps glue on more side-stuff and give it all shiny new models and textures and I'd be golden.

Now I'm more skeptical.
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>>393256994
sounds really good and that will be why we wont get it. I honestly want to see another game build on X-2's combat
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>>393257224
FF3/4 DS were just that they change around a lot of things but they were still identical to their original games.
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>>393257368
X-2 probably had the best iteration of ATB combat we've ever had in a Final Fantasy game.

The problem was it sold like ass, and critics and players alike wailed on it because of the shifted focus.

What was good, like the battle system, kinda' drowned with it, and Square are too afraid to go back.
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>>393257449
You have to ask yourself if you play JRPGs just for their combat systems or not.
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>>393257209
Are you braindead? FFXV's world was its greatest asset. And its emptiness wouldn't be a downside if it was serving as a traditional jrpg overworld.
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>>393257548

Of course not. I don't think anyone does. But that wasn't really my point. My point was that Square let X-2 sink like a brick without even attempting to salvage one of the things it actually did pretty well.

That being said I kinda forgive them for it, because in the heap of shit that was X-2 it probably got reeeally difficult finding the good bits.
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>>393232230
It's going to have paid "Materia Chests" just like loot boxes but more shiney, seriously screenshot this shit it's happening.
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>>393257548
Who gives a fuck about jrpg combat systems. The best systems in jrpgs are the ones that get least in the way and are fast-paced whilst being a little bit interesting. Stuff like Radiant Historia. But who the fuck actually plays a jrpg for the battles?
>>393257661
The tie-in phone game will at least.
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>>393232230
>being sold three times for the full experience
Why does this keep getting repeated?
I could see them doing 2 games, one ending with Aeris' death and the 2nd with everything after that.
Who am I kidding? They'll drag it out over 6 games and include everything they can from the Compilation.

On a side note, I always found it odd how the Compilation of FFVII just kinda stopped, unceremoniously. Did CC and DoC sell bad or something? I thought for sure they would do something game related on the PS3 for VII.(Plus I remember reading a rumor, fake of course, about a planned sequel to VII, always got my hopes up back then.)
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>>393257557
Unironically this. XV's world, to me is just expanded/broader version of X's, XII's, XIII's world.
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>>393231769
Am I the only one who's more worried about how they'll handle the mini-games than the combat? They were a bit janky but they added so much charm and variety to the game. And generally modern Square-Enix's design philosophy has been to cut out extraneous gameplay elements in favor of the combat. I'm sure they'll be incredibly tempted to turn Tifa's slapfight into a cutscene or just a quick QTE sequence.
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>>393257710
well I think the battle system should be able to express the power and personality of the characters. Type-0 was really good for that, I would want FF7R to be like that as well.
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>>393257781

Believe it or not, something the Japs do well to this day in their RPGs is the mini-games.

Even relatively modern JRPGs that feature mini-games tend to do them pretty well.
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>>393257224
>These people who clamored for a remake for the past decade, what were they expecting?

They expected the remake they were clamoring for a decade. Dont think anyone was clamoring for it to be split...
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>>393256779
That's not an ATB meter, that's a combo meter. I swear I remember having this exact same argument like a year ago.
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What I'd like to see the combat do:
>allow free movement around the field
>some magical attacks can be dodged, but most can't and home in on you
>when you attack or are attacked, the victim is locked in that position until the attack is done, but you have to be pretty close to carry out a melee attack in the first place
>you can only offer commands when the ATB guage fills up, but you can "stack" it a few times, meaning you can cast 3 quick Cures if you haven't moved in a while
>you are locked in place while casting, but that's also essentially the only time you can't move around
>summons are just glorious cutscenes that do damage to all enemies on the field
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>>393257935
>the meter that says atb isn't actually atb
damn ok
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>>393258032
>you can only offer commands when the ATB guage fills up, but you can "stack" it a few times, meaning you can cast 3 quick Cures if you haven't moved in a while

I mean if you haven't given a command in a while. Like you can skip 3 full ATB-bars and get 3 ATB points which you can use to cast 3 spells rapidly or something.
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>>393258032
>when you attack or are attacked, the victim is locked in that position until the attack is done, but you have to be pretty close to carry out a melee attack in the first place
Interesting idea, but only melee attacks would have to lock the victims movement. If ranged attacks locked it too, the soldiers with guns could just pin you down and you'd never get close enough to hit them.
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>>393256760
Why are you referring to that post? What does games Square made in the past have to do at all with their current projects and business models? Are you drunk?
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>>393258032
>some magical attacks can be dodged, but most can't and home in on you
so whats the point of movement?
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>>393258305

Attacks could require you to stand in a position/angle/distance from your enemy, while they tried to get their positioning right. Having this happening during combat could be fun.
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>>393258035
It's time you learned some respect

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/07/final-fantasy-vii-remake-details-on-its-action-midgar-exploration-and-cross-dressing/
There is an ATB gauge, but it won’t be like the original version where you get to attack when the gauge fills up, but an action-based system that can only be done through the Final Fantasy VII Remake. Kitase says that they may even change the name to something else other than ATB. Nomura also teases that the part you’ll want to pay attention to is how “the ATB gauge may also turn red.”
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>>393258405
>it isn't an atb meter but it is
ok
>may even change the name to something else other than ATB
That interview was 2 years ago but they kept the name still
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my guess is its something more like a stamina gauge, that constantly refills just like ATB, but each action requires a certain amount of the gauge.
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>>393258553
Stop acting like a retard.
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>>393258727
You sure showed me mr. t
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>>393256107
A great man named Donte once said something very poignant and I feel it applies here: FUCK YOU
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>>393259135
I accept that insult, but what I said is true
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>>393258803
What I showed you was the development leads saying that this "ATB gauge" doesn't function like classic ATB. There are also screenshots in which the name is absent, but the name isn't the point - it's how it functions. I don't see you getting antsy over the fact that Braver is now an "ATB gauge" attack instead of limit or how limit is technically a new system yet still holds the name.
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Monkey paw'd.
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>>393235996
tomb raider came out 3 months before FF7, lara croft titties predate tifa titties
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>>393235996
So long as they're huge I don't care if they're fuckhuge.
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>>393231769
Nomura is fucking it up so yes.
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>>393235740
That's not the same animation it's just a similar thing, uncharted 4, tomb raider, yakuza 6 all do that too

7r is not like XV, if it was it'd actually be good
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>>393236218

Aranea is the new titty waifu so who cares about Tifa, she has no personality unlike Aranea
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>xv-kun
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>>393259212
Ok, I looked it up, and you're right, enix was a publisher. My bad
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>>393261351
who from what?
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>>393255579
XV has the best FF combat system also the system designer and battle director of XVs battle system was battle planner on FF7, FF8, FF10 and battle director of 10-2
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>>393261490
inb4 he replies with the same autistic tifa response
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>>393261351
That's one giant set of nostrils
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>>393261562
I hope not, cause I legit don't know
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>>393261351
I expect Tifa's boobs to look about 20x better than those
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>>393261531
No it doesnt its one of the worst and it also has the actual worst magic system in a Final Fantasy.
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>>393255490
fags like you are so gay and bitter
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>>393231769
No, it isn't even out yet. Give them some time to finish making it first.
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>>393261608
He said in the post, it's Aranea, from FFXV.

she has nothing on Tifa
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>>393234565
>midgar alone can easily be an episode
REEEEEEE!!! where is the fun in that game if you cant explore multiple towns and shit?
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>>393257781
That slapfight was essentially a QTE anyway.
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>>393234565
Making midgar bigger with lots of useless quests and garbage to drag out a 7 hour into a 30 hour game would wreck everything most of all the story pacing.
Do you think you are as pumped the same way in the remake when Aeris gets kidnapped and you then go do hunts and pointless "collect 3 flower" quests for 10 hours and then come back to save her? Vs the original in which she gets kidnapped and in a matter of 15 minutes you stand before the midgar HQ (basically what you think the main villain is)ready to strom it? NO of course not.
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>>393257209
spotted the brainlet
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>>393261490
Tifa from FF7
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>>393261668
Spotted the brainlet
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>>393261738
Tifa is not bigger than Ara
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>>393262103
>he thinks the combat and even the literal worst magic system in any mainline FF game to date is good

sad
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>>393257781
The slapfight is one of the things I'm hoping they'll change, honestly. It never felt right that Tifa got into this weak ass slapfight with some woman she could have somersault-kicked straight into space.
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>>393261738
Ah, I haven't played XV yet. Probably won't less it comes to PC.
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>>393262210
XV is the only FF where magic is worth a fuck
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>>393262012
>>393262103
t. brainlets
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>>393262179
take it back
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>>393246897
It could be some sort of bias because I always liked the voice acting of 12 back when I first played it but The Zodiac Age is the first time in my memory where I've chosen English voice acting over Japanese.
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>>393261351
>That Miyuki Sawashiro voice

DLC where you can hire her for the whole game and she has lines added to the story just so you can hear her speak WHEN
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>>393235636
>full game with each entry
I don't even care how late I'm replying, but it needs to said you are a legit brainless fucking square fanboy sheep if you actually fucking believe this holy shit.
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>>393231769
I'll pay good money for an Aeris DLC.

As in I want all of the voice actors/actresses to call her Aeris instead of Aerith. Seriously, I'll never understand why people prefer that name over Aeris.

>B-But that's her name. The localization-
Shut up. Aeris is a prettier name. When I say Aerith, I just feel like I'm saying Aeris but with a lisp.

Most of you guys are weebs, so sounding like a fag with a lisp is no big deal to you, but it is to me.
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>>393263391
Just play it with jap audio
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>>393263437
No. What did I just say about not being a weeb?
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>>393263564
Aerith makes her sound less weeb though. It's like a Euro name almost
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I've never played VII before, but I'm curious. What's the best way to play this?
>Shell out to get PS1 copy and play on PS2 or 3
>Emulate on PC
>Pirate old PC version
>Pirate new PC version

I've only heard bad things about the Steam version so far
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I hope they don't make Aeris look asian. Save that bullshit for that cuck Tifa.
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>no world map
we'll get either a map where you click on the destination, like FFX, or hallways dressed as open areas that connect the two main destinations (Midgar and Kalm)
>action based combat
while I'm not a big sucker for turn-based games, if they pull another FFXV its going to suck hard
>covered Tifa or sexyness toned down for social reasons
2017, this is pretty much inevitable
>bitch slap minigame
again, 2017, not happening
>gay scene
2017
>crossdressing part
changed so it fits with 2017's morals
>Sephiroth wing
>much easier Weapons or removed completely as optional bosses
think Adamantimyte in FFXV, Squuenex doesn't know how to make gigantic hard bossfights in any of their ARPGs
>half the minigames are going out
the insane amount of work that went into those small things along the game is something modern sqeenix is just not capable of anymore as shown by all modern FF games which don't have nearly as half of them
>extended grind through pointless quests
before, you had slow movement speed and random encouters every ten steps, this isn't the case anymore, which means the pace of the game has been accelerated, which also means that if you want the player to stay busy you need to extend the gameplay either by making the areas longer or the enemy encouters harder, or by adding pointless quests that make you revisit said areas and recycle rather expensive to make content
>emo Cloud
this has been his canon personality since post-FF7, to the point where most people think he's was always an edgelord, when in the original he was just a weirdo trying to act tough because his mind is a mess for reasons, he wanted to look like a super tough hero for everyone to see, not an edgelord, he jokes around a lot, and most of those times he just comes out as a lovable weirdo, and towards the end he accepts himself and becomes even more lovable.
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>>393263698
Tifa is half asian, Aeristh is 25%

Advent Children had them at 90% and 70% tho
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>>393263750
ok
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>>393263794
Glad we were able to reach an agreement.
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>>393263768
Tifa is plastic surgery animu aka "movie asian". Aeris was mostly white with slight asian/animu eyes.
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>the real Final Fantasy successors are all on Nintendo consoles
feels pretty good
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>>393231769
Cloud looks a lot stronger and less like a pansy in this render compared to what we've seen in game
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>>393264615
almost like it was work in progress
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>>393264615
He's supposed to look scrawny.
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>>393265213
Somewhere in the middle would be ideal for me
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Not that the demo was bad, but OT did not feel Final Fantasy.
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>tfw I will end up buying this, regardless of how it turns out, just because I have such a soft spot for FF7
>tfw I will undoubtedly waste 60 bucks and be crushed with crippling disappointment

I'm just so disappointed they didn't have the guts to make it a turn-based system. At least the new music sounds good.
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>>393266627
>the guts
lol
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>>393266627
It's alright, anon. We're all going to do the same thing. That's why they doing the remake. SE knows we're going to buy it no matter what.
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>>393266627
Dude, what's 60 dollars going to mean when you step out of midgar for the first time, see what will at least be a beautiful world and hear that music? Even if it's shit I'll still love it. I'll be in my thirties and my daughter will be old enough to follow along when it comes out. Even if it's shit, and I've prepared myself for that, I've decided in my mind it'll 100% be shit, that's still going to be amazing.
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>>393231769
guess what little bitch of a fucker? it IS coming out, just like RE7 Not a Hero, get a grip on reality itself, are games supposed to be released as fast as possible simply because YOU want to? and if they don't talk about it everysingle month then it is dead? hate to break it to u kiddo, but this is as alive as ever, and despite the uncertainty about the quality of the final product, this will sell like water
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>>393234547
Is this the Switch version?
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>>393263632
Emulate the PS1 version.
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>>393269346
No. That's versus XIII from the early days when it was going to be on PS3.
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>>393262931
>you're a sheep/shill if you're making a single positive hypothesis about futur games
>you're an enlighten individual if you're pessimistic about something you don't have single information/proof

/v/ logic at it's finest.
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>we'll get either a map where you click on the destination, like FFX, or hallways dressed as open areas that connect the two main destinations (Midgar and Kalm)
Oh God No please no NOOOOOOO!!!
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>>393270339
You know what would work? A FFIX overworld. Make the overworld the same as its original but nice looking, and then have each town/dungeon/location on the world map entered by pressing X when it prompts you rather than walking into it. Quick loading screen to load the new area and voila. This eliminates any issues of accidentally walking into a new location if you didn't mean to.
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After XV I no longer trust Square with Final Fantasy. I'm just going to stick with the Original game.
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>>393271613
XV was the best FF since 9, if 7r were like XV it'd be good but its not so it's shit.
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>>393271613
>After XV
>Not after X-2
It took you that long?

>>393272173
You're not welcome here XV-kun.
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>>393272173
XII was better than XV.
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>>393272408
X-2 had great gameplay. XII had great characters and story. All the XIII games were mediocre but XV was abysmal on all aspects.
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>>393232376
Mods will fix everything
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>>393272408
The battle director of X-2 was the battle director of XV. XV has the best combat in FF.

>>393272870
Eat shit.
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>>393257449
MFW it was good but shitty storyline
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https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=_bazztek&src=typd
Kill yourself already xv-kun
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