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where did it go all wrong?
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Trying to compete against Capcom.
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>>416505257

Crapcum is doing just fine being irrelevant on their own
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>>416505346
Hey, they make Ace Attorney, fuck off.
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>>416505214
>no proper pushblock
>but also mixups are so limited, good players (i.e. go1) can just block perpetually
>no chip means blocking is, as always, op
>character favouritism for no good reason - goku black has the best 2h in the game and an aerial guaranteed hard knockdown, regardless of the combo, for 0 meter if in corner
>3 (soon to be 4) of the same character
did i miss anything?
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>>416505214
For me its
>Lack of variety with combos
>One assist per character
>No pushblock
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>>416505571
>Lack of good and reliable defensive options
>keep away game is good
>4 Gokus
>poor balance, typical of an ArcSys game
>autocombos
I think we covered everything. Can't believe this is the new face of the FGC.
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>>416505571
This

>>416505979
And this
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>>416505214
>Wrong

I quit after reaching demon rank because almost everyone was using the same top tier characters, doing the same optimized BnB shit.
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Nothing at all. The game is a solid team fighter with what seems to be a good balancing philosophy. It's the first fighter to get accessibility right.

I mean some characters are powerful for the wrong reasons but that's the nature of fighting games. People also claim the characters are too simplistic and that's not necessarily true. Nappa, Piccolo, Goku Blue, there are plenty of technical characters. Even if it is, you have three characters at once to play and the way they synergize adds depth.

Plus the strong normals, projectiles, and mobility make a really fast paced, nuanced neutral game. People who disagree are probably shutters that can't punish or reflect vanish consistently
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>its yet another assravaged capcom cum slurper thread
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>>416506135
Bruh, I'm SSJ3 and I still find the enemy teams somewhat varied. Too many Gohans, Cells and Bardocks maybe, but the rest is alright. I still enjoy the game.
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>>416507253
So SFV is better than XRD you fucking idiot?
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lack of variety in gameplay styles (almost everyone plays more or less the same with bnb combos that have few differences)
this leads to competitive play being stale variety wise since so many characters play similar, you just play the one that's the best at doing said similar things (cell is just a better goku black, goku black is just a better goku, so everyone plays goku black/cell at high level)

also huge lack of defensive options
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>>416507201
The main issue is that arcsys played it so safe for accessibility with dbfz that the game is becoming too stale and basic and people are already beginning to see it
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>>416507253
>744 matches of Bardock/Cell/Vegeta/Black/KidBuu

All of it is trash, except KI and maybe UNIST.
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>>416507253
>it's another "moar entrantz meen game r good" poster
DBFZ and SFV are both awful games. Stop pretending ArcSys is the savior of the FGC when Xrd is the only worthwhile game they have put out that they still support. Also Smash is a party game.
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>>416507253
>mvci lower than 4 anime games
w-what the fuck capbros? i-i thought you s-said mvci could make top 4 at evo if given the chance?
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let me know when another patch comes out
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>>416508741
>NRS games have higher entrants than Smash
wtf I love Combo Breaker now
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>>416505214
>Being based on a franchise that has a ton of potential for a vs fighting vidya and not using any of it
>being a 3v3 which makes the match take way too long
>having the characters being way too similar to each other in terms of gameplan because they didn't try to make any character feel unique
>A poor amount of mechanics and a puudle tier level of gameplay depth, which makes the hameplan similarity issue even worse
>Crucial lack of defensive mechanics to counter the braindead pressure (game mostly needs a pushblock).
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>>416505214
>Fighting games in 2018
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>>416505214

Not solving their balance issues immediately.
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>>416509184
Also
>THE MOTHERFUCKING BALANCING
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>>416508741

It's almost like people lose the will to play a video game when they get laughed at for playing that game.
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>>416509385
Doesn't stop the smashers.
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>>416509184
>Being based on a franchise that has a ton of potential for a vs fighting vidya and not using any of it

If anything, Dragon Ball (especially Z) is a horrible choice for a vs. game because the tone and pacing of the series means that every character has to be rushdown mixup bullshit and every other archetype can go fuck itself.
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>>416509578
That's not true, you can easily have mixup oriented characters like yamcha or piccolo , zoners like frieza or krillin or even go for more pure rushdwon characters like gohan, the point is they could've made it so that the characters could fit way more archetype but they fucking didn't, they put everything into the rushdown category. The series itself has easily a lot of different archetype covered and not just mindless rushdwon, it's the devs here that made it this way.
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>>416505214
adding trash from super
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>>416509963
What are you talking about? DB had variety, DBZ was the same shit plus powerups for Goku
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>>416510247
I'm saying the source material for this game has variety and we could've had lots of archetype specialized characters, but we didn't because the devs only thought about rushdwon.
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>>416510465
Tell me about the difference in fighting styles from Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Freezer, Gohan... without naming different shapes or colors of ki beams.
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>>416510697
Their hair colour.
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>>416509963
Read >>416505571.
Genuine mixups in this game are weak and not rewarding because blocking is too lenient. Not to mention the lack of guard gauge or some kind of penalty for playing like a bitch. You can spend all your meter and assist to open some faggot up, but as long as he blocks he'll be safe. I had seen a video from this channel called Gloomshot that makes compilations of various games, and they had a Goichi match on there. Fucker blocked every single offense attempt for like a solid 10 seconds. Shit is ridiculous.
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>scrubs ITT are actually crying about "blockspamming"
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>>416511131
And i agree, i'm mostly rambling about what this game could've been more than what it actually is (aka shit)
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The problem with these fighting games is that there is no casual online mode. Even if you're not doing ranked you play players who only play their mains. Should have a mode where you get all random characters.
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>>416511536
Try out the 3v3 mode, anon. It's a fun time as long as there isn't a lagging brhue on one of the teams.
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>>416511307
When you have a game that has no reliable defensive options and heavily favors offense yet has no way to open them up, then you've got a problem.
>>416511341
I wanted it to be Xrd fundamentals, but with Marvel sensibilities. Too bad we just got Extreme Butoden 2.
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>>416511748
>heavily favors offense yet has no way to open them up
Sounds like the problem is your small brain. Top players don't have problems opening people up, I don't have problems opening people up, so that just leaves you having problems opening people up.
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what's annoying me is how long they're taking to release the dlc characters
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>>416507341
You're also playing after the balance patch you faggot
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>>416512043
Yeah I bet you have. You're top 10 in the leaderboards too, aren't you? Nobody can compete with your skill. You should take on Tomo's Leo, I bet you could easily kill him since nobody can ever block you. Me so sorry for ever doubting your skill. Me never insult you offense game ever gain.
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>>416512579
Nope. Just a medium-level player. And if I'm not having issues opening people up and you are, what does that say about you? Here's some advice: git gud
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>>416505571
Goku Black isn’t even top tier lmao
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>>416512796
But then again, I'm a small brain Xrd/UNiST player who should be playing intellectual games for atheist Rick and Morty watchers such as yourself, like DBFZ. If I never believed in phony baloney sky wizards, I would be able to match your technical prowess. I should stop playing those baby games and play smart games like DBFZ and Smash so I can even begin to talk to someone with such a high IQ as yourself.
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No play style variety killed this game for me.
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>>416513000
>being this much of a passive aggressive cunt
btfo
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>>416511131
>defense is too strong
>the game needs more defensive options

pick one and only one capcbro scum
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It released a month ago. Why don't you understand?
>/v/ is filled with casuals.
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>>416513190
Just saying, my failure to grasp a game as complex and mature as DBFZ has really opened my eyes up. I need to go purchase a copy of The Communist Manifesto in order go even BEGIN to fathom the staggering intelligence that one must exude to even call out assists mid combo.
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Because Blazblue Cross Tag Battle happened.
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I fucking hate anime players. I went to an anime con once where they were playing fighting games. The people who played Xrd and blazblu all just talked shit about other games like Tekken and SFV and kept bragging that their games were hard even though their tourney only had around 3 actual players while the others just button mashed. Also they smelled like shit and most of them were over weight fucking stinky take shower weebs.
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>>416513467
Have you ever come this close to drowning in your own tears before?
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>>416513628
Yes, because I just can't grasp the technical complexity of DBFZ. Please massa, tell me how to be as good as you, my brain just can't handle the awesome might this game has.
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>>416513584
I can confirm this. Went to a arcade and saw there was a fighting game meet up and most of the entrants were a bunch overweight neckbearded fuckers playing shit like Xrd.
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>>416513770
>still crying
So this is the typical Xrd player, huh. So wonder your game is dead. Even Mike Ross turned into a bitch when he started playing it.
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>>416513973
It was the most uncomfortable experience I have had to witness.
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Playing it just feels like shit because you have 20 minutes long blockstrings and all the reversal options are ass and mad unsafe.
Defense in this game is so fucking passive and unrewarding while offense is incredibly linear I can't believe anyone but the biggest arcsys goobers would swallow it up.
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>>416513000
Whoa, you are a massive fucking faggot. I love Guilty Gear, but you are unbearably obnoxious. Get out, cunt.
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>>416505571
>3 (soon to be four) of the same character
What? It's always been five, but now 4 with 16 being nerfed.
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>>416513973
I was recently asked to do commentary for a Guilty Gear tournament, since I'm a huge advocate for the series. Didn't compete because my stick is fucked up. Anyway, the second I walked in, I saw a group of dumb otakus with waifu sticks and shirts, including a borderline pedophile who had Platinum the Trinity near naked on his stick. The fuckers were arrogant, pretentious, and self-absorbed, and I barely made it out of there without killing myself.
Still better than the Smash players. .
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>>416507201
>It's the first fighter to get accessibility right.

I'd say Pokken did it right as well: It manages to have a very low skill floor without sacrificing it's skill ceiling in the process. It also notably has much better balance then DBFZ, while also having more character variety, though given that DBFZ is a team fighter that's somewhat expected.
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>>416514482
He's talking about 4 Gokus
SSJ
Blue
Black
Base Goku and Vegeta are apart of the leak
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>>416514793
My bad.
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>>416505571
>no pushblock
>but good players can block
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>>416505214
Soon.
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they disabled music mods those nappa-nerfing gooks
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>>416516104
They did? When/how? Arre all audio mods not working anymore?
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So guys, I've been slowly trying to get two of my friends into fighting games, but I've hit a speed bump. Every time we play, they keep bitching about me "spamming block" and not playing offensively enough, while they never block and constantly eat raw supers.

How do I get them to cut this shit out? I can see them dropping the whole genre if they don't get over their irrational hatred of defense.
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>>416516517
Mine stopped working yesterday. It sucks
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>tfw love Gotenks and Tien, always have them on my team
>mfw choosing the third character
Goddamn I just like playing as so many of them. Maybe it's because they are all so easy to pick up, but I like Piccolo, SS Goku, Nappa, Fat Buu, all are cool characters
But Gotenks is just so goddamn fun
also the ranked in higher levels is fucking tumor-inducing. All those Cells, Bardocks, Adult Gohans and Kid Buus can go hang themselves
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>>416505214
No Kefla
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>>416505214

I played it today. I prefer its mechanics to Capcom's shit model (if your opponent drops a combo you get a free punish with anything.)

Blocking is an option, not a win condition.
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I noticed many Smash players picked this game up. That explains the animosity towards every other fighting game out there, especially Capcom fighters.
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I like cuhrazy fightan and DBZ so I'll keep playing even if it's shit.
My only complaint are the characters I fight against. Not that they're OP or scummy but I just don't like those characters in show either.
Really, who actually likes Goku Black, Jobhan, Bardock or post-Namek Beijita as a character? They're supreme faggots

>>416516104
Had to realize this today too. Fucking sucks since I had the GOAT playlist
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>>416517157
Assist coverage and utility between tien and gotenks is amazing. I usually just use them as a shell to make a point shine.

Meme characters like fat buu and krillin are both good choices.
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"Let's make this game accessible for baka gaijin"
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>>416517662
Yeah I love how they both compliment all characters with their assists while I think Gotenks works wonders as a point too since his pressure is pretty good. I just have too many choices to choose from, probably going to stick with my Gotenks/Tien/Goku or Nappa/Gotenks/Tien. Fuck I can't choose
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I hope to see more Yamcha pros at Evo. I have been labbing with Yamcha on my team learning his scaling quirks. I can now deal 6500+ damage with 4 just meters. I dont want to give away my tech until Evo starts.
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>>416518027
>6500+ damage
>with "just" 4 meters
just pick Cell or Bardock, bud
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>>416517662

I love how useful they made Tien in this game. He's fragile but can completely nuke the enemy team if you get him the right opportunity.
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>>416518027
>6500 with 4 bars
They really need to buff Yamcha's damage. Meanwhile Cell corner loop does about 5400 with one bar anf no assist required.
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>>416518116

Bardock is the king of eating raw supers because he has no zoning options at all. All his attacks involve rushing at you in a straight line from mid-screen

Cell is easy to handle if you deny him the corner.
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>>416505214
SonicFox is creating a glass ceiling for how mainstream the competition scene can be marketed.
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>>416518691
>zoning in DBFZ
Why would he need zoning when his qcf+L is so fast you can use it to easily confirm, escape the corner and is SAFE on block
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>>416518670

Cell is justified to deal more damage though because his hurtbox is huge and he's pretty straight forward as a character in terms of getting in.

Yamcha has safe pressure from 4 directions, a fast lock-down assist, and a level 1 that can be converted to anything, from anywhere on the screen.
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>>416518670
Tien can do 7500 damage with 3 bars
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>>416519413
No he fucking isn’t, Cell has great normals and more than double the utility of most characters in the game. Gotenks has to pay for his utility (which still isn’t nearly as good as cell’s) by having terrible damage but cell gets it all for free.

Yamcha has shit damage, shit normals, virtually no utility, can do fuck all in the air, doesn’t have a j.2H and his only mixup doesn’t even work without intense conditioning because it’s not real.

Yamcha is easily one of the worst characters in the game, next to beerus and Cell is easily the best. Fuck Cell niggers like you. I hope he gets nerfed harder than 16.
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>>416505214
Bandai Namco
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>>416519413
Cell also has:
>A low heavy
>Can chain two standing mediums
>Delay his standing heavy
>Free teleport
>His perfect attack has anti-air properties
>His auto-combo moves him forward making a reflect punish nearly impossible
>Full screen grab
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>>416516002
wow
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>>416519219

Bardock is good but he's pretty capped as a character. He's vanilla rushdown with easy supers.

Yamcha is the final frontier in terms of potential. He can "glue" all combos, from any two characters together.

https://youtu.be/SEt2UlxwUPw
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>>416512408
The balance patch barely changed anything except that 16 is more rare now. I'm almost at SSJ3 rank and even before the balance patch I saw good team variety. A lot of people playing T. Gohan, Blue Goku/Vegeta, Fat Buu and 21. Maybe it gets worse past SSJ3 rank but at the level I'm at I've always seen good variety.
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>>416519603
Yes, but he also does that amount of damage to himself
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poor balance and lack of character variety

all top tiers play the same and the characters with the most interesting styles (ginyu, beerus, frieza, etc.) are simply not viable. This makes the game extremely boring to play and to watch in the long run
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>>416505214
I didn't like the game, despite how hyped I was for it, because of the 3v3 system making each individual character feel less significant to me and how similar characters were to each other.
The small character roster isn't a big deal, but it becomes apparent when the game is in a 3v3 format so you'll be seeing an eighth of the character roster on every team.
Being attached to a single character makes me want to practice them more, but when you're given three characters who each of them have universal combo juggles and barely any difference in their game plan, it becomes a game of practicing your team comp instead of your character's mechanics, which completely objects my reason for playing a fighting game.
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>Get into a combo string
>Lose 30% of hp
>Finally free but pushed into a corner
>Have to guess between high/low/mid
>Lose the guess
>Into another combo string

I wish Burst could get me out of this shit

There's no way to win if you're on track to lose

Just win More mechanics
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>>416520271
He also has a 2M that rivals even trunks, some of the best corner carry in the game and really easy extensions that
can subsist off of vanish so that he doesn’t even need assists.
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>>416505214
No Switch version.
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>>416520292
It's really sad to see yamcha dealing such shit damage
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>>416514086
Reminder that if you haven't played the game your opinion is invalid
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>>416520584
Wow some honest criticisms. I agree. 3 v 3 makes it feel like your individual team members dont matter. 2 v 2 would have been better. And a 1 v 1 would be ideal
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>>416520643
>mid
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>>416520475
beerus is the worst character in the game, there are some pretty insane frieza players though and ginyu makes it to top 8 in tournament play all the time
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>>416521515
I always like the idea of complex fighting games because I get attached to the idea of learning a single character and getting good at them. It's the same type of psychological drive similar to learning an instrument. This game sacrificed character complexity for the idea that the game's depth comes from the 3v3 format and the use of your team, while also being aware of what they can do with their team (their ki gauge, their team members' health bars, preparing for them to swap in, etc). Without the 3v3 aspect, this would be one of the easiest fighting games in existence mechanically, but the depth comes from this team mechanic.
Even though it gets my respect for having some good depth to the game play, it isn't interesting enough for me to enjoy it I guess.
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>>416505214
It's doing quite well to my knowledge.
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>>416513514
Nobody's going to drop DBFZ for CTB, get real.
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>>416521741
>dbfz now has mids
How does this change the meta?
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It's boring.
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Fighterz is a trash game made for people who think they're ot shit at fighting games but can't play an actual one for shit
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>>416521741
What's the proper word for mid hit?

Neutral?
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>>416522808
So sonicfox and go1?
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>>416514502
When I went to a very small Melty tournament over 5 years ago, one guy said to me and my friend "You two are the first Melty players I've met that didn't smell like shit." It was such an odd compliment I had no idea how to respond. I must be lucky but I don't notice a lot of anime players smelling bad. Maybe being around IT people or being apart of smash for a year dulled my senses.

Anime FGC's attitude is pretty horrible though; no arguing that. I like playing BB and rarely GG, but I stay away from the community as a whole as much as possible. Especially GG's.
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>Capcbros at it again

How does it feel knowing Marvel Infinite even lost a EVO side game slot to fucking ARMS?
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>>416521961
Not him but I prefer that ArcSys focused on universal mechanics instead of their usual gimmick subsystems because with an IP such as Dragon Ball people naturally want to play a vast amount of characters.
DBFZ being a complex 1v1 would mean that you have to leave out a lot of characters for the sake of consistency which hurts most DBZ fans.
I can see where you're coming from though
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>>416524309
>nstead of their usual gimmick subsystems

I wish fighting game devs would look at pokken for how to make characters feel unique with unique systems and mechanics, without making them feel gimmicky or so overly specific and contrived that it feels unatural.

The game does a fantastiic job of having each character feel extremely different and with unique mechanics, but in a way that's intuitive and natural.
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>>416524309
ArcSys's decision to make the characters themselves more simple was necessary for a 3v3 format, but if the game was 1v1 it's still possible to make the games feel more complex without making it too gimmicky or too difficult. They did the best thing they could do with their intended audience by allowing then to play all the characters we know and love without needing hours to invest in each one, and making up for that lack of mechanics with the 3v3 depth, but I still think it would have worked if they made the game 1v1 and added in some complexity to the characters.
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>>416524497
Agreed. I bought the game on launch and felt that the selection of pokemon on the initial roster was very lackluster.
Though with 700 monsters to choose from it would always feel like someone is missing.
However, as you said, every character was so carefully crafted that you could pinpoint their archetype but weren't forced to follow a strict gameplan.
Even better when they combined archetypes with the type in the Pokemon games (Grass type having lots of lifesteal moves, Ghost type having feints and 50/50s, etc.)
Still not gonna buy the Switch version since I feel betrayed
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>>416522292
Why not? CTB is better
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It's the fighting game for people that hate fighting games.
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>>416525093
>my opinion is fact
No it's really not. CTB is solid but much too simplified to be taken seriously as a fighter. It's a cool party fighter
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>>416525191
That would be Marvel Infinite
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/v/ is so shit at fighting games that if it isn't a direct SF2 clone its not a real fighting game. This game sold 2.5 million and is not dead or dying anytime soon. Expect several re-releases onto future consoles along with an XRD version
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>capcom cucks got excited for the mvci update
>holy shit its 10gb! we did it bros!
>it turns out to be an update that kills the game for good
>suddenly a wave of anti-dbfz threads again
hmm who could be responsible for this. i almost feel sorry for them at this point lol
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>>416525093
People play FighterZ because it looks great and it's attached to a brand they like, not because it's a strong fighting game that stands on its own two feet. CTB looks worse and of the brands its attached to, two of them are just better fighting games than CTB and I can't imagine many fans of BB or UNI will stick with CTB for long, if they even try it to begin with, then Persona fans generally seem more interested in a P5A though I'm sure there are some who will be happy just to play P4 characters in a game that isn't dead and then that just leaves RWBY fans as a group who might stick with CTB for a good while. Even then, whatever overlap there is between Dragonball fans and RWBY fans, I imagine most of them would be much more attached to FighterZ just because it looks better and doesn't have a bunch of other brands they don't care about attached to it. If gameplay alone were the only factor to consider then some people might switch over to CTB, but it's not and CTB doesn't appeal to a huge group of people.
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>>416525605
This isn't /v/, this is shills getting the okay to shill MvCI.
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>r/kappa
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>>416525093
Do you have a single argument to back that up
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>>416514676
Pokken is way too complicated. It's way easier to explain DBFZ's mechanics than Pokken's.
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>>416526113
Lol, Pokken is a fucking joke
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>>416525884
You are literally the only person talking about mvci here
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The roster is so fucking small
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>>416526229
>>416526113
Pokken's great but I wouldn't call it or any of it's mechanics complicated aside from it's attack height system, which has liike 3 extra height levels and every single move's heiight properties don't just apply on block, but also against other moves, and each move as a result has both an offensive and defensive height value.

Other then that, it's not that complicated: The whole 2d-3d shift thing is pretty much just an anti-infiinite system.
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No Champa.
No Champa, No Buy.
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superdash kills the neutral
for people not experts in the game, all you can do is hesitate since a superdash will come out at any moment
this makes matches a slog
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>>416525551
No, infinite is the fighting game for people that hate themselves.
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>>416507253
Good to see UNIST is doing well. It's the only good fighting game this gen.
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>>416526885
I hope more people realize how good UNIST is now that all these other games are dumbing down.
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>>416505214
My main complaint and the thing that got me to drop the game is that everyone plays the same
The system mechanics are too big a part of a character's toolset, so instead of something like Dust or Blitz in GG being just something all the characters have in addition to a full and interesting design that helps with balance, Super Dash and Vanish are a massive part of a character that force you to use them constantly both in neutral and in combos. Combined with everyone having very similar normals for the most part and assists covering everything flattening the risk/reward ratio the game just feels stale incredibly fast.
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>>416507253
What is MYST? I'm assuming they aren't referring to the point and click.
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This game has twice the gokus than female LOL. You cant even make a team of woman LOL.
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>>416527040
I think that's also because the game is solved and pretty much every character does the same thing.
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>>416526885
>>416527000
Stop shilling this meme game holy fuck. Every thread it's the same 3 people
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>>416527000
I got bored of UNIST faster than DBFZ, I don't see where all the hype comes from.

>>416527098
Mystery Tournament. For each round in the bracket, you play a different game ranging from any genre. Fun idea, but due to how many setups it requires, the tournament takes longer than any game on that list.
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>>416508447
the next two dlc will probably be out by the time evo comes around, at the very least we get 4 new characters who have potential to mix up the meta as well as balance patches. also, realistically speaking, in a game with like 20 characters, it's really unlikely for there to not be a meta of 'top 5 characters' in the game, even if the balance was way better (it is admittedly pretty shit, but mostly just because there are some unplayably bad characters, and cell is too good)
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>>416527298
>being this paranoid
It's fucking fun
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This game sucks because characters all play the same, same combos, no neutrals, rush that shit down gameplay, no defensive options.
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>>416527431
all of them are fun but its obvious faggots are trying to force a meme, a very shitty meme that says " EVERYTHING ELSE SUX THIS GAME IS SECRETLY BEST LULZ"

kys
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>>416509578
>everyone plays either cell/vegeta or black/vegeta
>go1 says fuck it and plays cell/black/vegeta
>wins
great game
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>>416527354
Oh right, I usually take a break from watching the stream when the mystery tournament is on.
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>>416527431
The game fucking sucks.
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>>416527614
>persona says they like game
>some random fag spergs out
>kys
Go back to youtube
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>>416527298
>announces Fused Zamasu and Vegeto
>>omg omg omg
>>why is his HAIR BLUE REEEEE
>>Subarashiii
>>Gogeto when?

>Announces Falke
>>Literally who?

>announces 10 tb Patch with no content
>>...

Bravo Capcom, truly you deserve your fanbase.
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>>416527791
>persona says "everything else sux XDDDD"
yea, kys
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>>416526885
I don't know that I'd say it's the only good one, but it's one of the better ones for certain, maybe the best.
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>people think GO1 represents the average proplayer and it's impossible to open people up
Jesus christ
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>>416526492
>No we aren't talking about MvCI, we just wish there was an alternative to DBFZ!
>Mabey one that was made by the good people at Capcom®!
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>>416527915
Nobody in that exchange was even talking about capcom, you dumbass.
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>>416505571
>blocking is OP
The absolute state of /v/eddit
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>>416505571
add to that the fact that every character is a rushdown character and the only thing that dictates the difference between them besides appearance is damage output, if they have or not multi hit moves that can keep the pressure going
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>>416527937
Don't tell me you honestly think DBFZ or any capcom game is better
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>>416528141
>every character is a rushdown character
THE GAME FAVORS RUSHDOWN FAGGOT, VANISH PLUS ON BLOCK, 90% OF THE MOVES PLUS ON BLOCK, SUPER DASH PUNISHABLE ONLY ON REACTION GOD DAMN I'M MAD
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>>416528129
I accidentally link some people when I mean to link others.

Just pretend I linked to a capcbro.
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>>416528079
Who are you quoting? Are MvCI and DBFZ the only tag games that exist?
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>>416519413
>Cell is justified in dealing more damage
Lmao, maybe if they cut his damage by half he'd be balanced, because right now he's the uncontested nr1 character. That bug has nearly every tool in the game, insane corner damage and 3! lows.
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>>416509184
>having the characters being way too similar to each other in terms of gameplan because they didn't try to make any character feel unique

It's not a character design problem it's a game design problem, game fundamentally will favor rushdown forever, see >>416528285
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>>416528487
Infinite gets gets a new patch, and all of a sudden /v/ hates DBFZ. It's the most straightforward shilling of any game I've seen.
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>>416526885
It ain't the only good one, but it is my favorite by a country mile.
But I'm apparently the only absolute madman on /v/ who can like multiple fighters without feeling the need to drag another game down while I'm at it.
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>>416528746
>all of a sudden
Fuck off. This game has been getting shit on since the open beta.
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>>416528520
Yeah makes sense
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>>416505214
DB Super was only the beginning.
At least people were very open that GT was shit.
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>>416514676
Not 2d, unrelevant.
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>>416526098
>>416525761
>>416525474
Lol salty tiers because they bought garbage
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>>416529408
Start arguing any time.
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>>416528746
retarded nigger. the patch was just to remove denuvo because they don't want to keep renovating the contract since it cost money. the 10gb patch was just the denuvo files getting replaced by drm free files. game is still the same trash with 90% of the cast having homogenized gameplay
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>>416509578
VEGETA SUX
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>>416528793
I play all modern fighters but SFV and DBFZ. I see no reason to shit on them, they're all great and flawed in their own ways. But this is /v/, you gotta be a jaded cynical asshole or else you aren't cool.
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>>416529408
I've never played FighterZ and I don't plan on getting CTB, I'm just telling you you're out of your mind if you honestly believe CTB has any chance at being as successful as FighterZ.
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>>416529408
> I don't have any thoughts but to shill a game I don't own against a game I haven't played

Lol imagine having this much time, and this little application
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>>416529186
Except Pokken is a 2d fighter you fucking retard.

How about you actually play the game instead of just shitposting about iit?

The actual combatt system and core gameplay is all entirely 2d, the 3d shift is just a glorifiied anti-infite system that forcees a return to neutral. The 3d phase is more of a specific mechanic of the 2d stuffe then it is an entirely seperate part of combat: The moment a single hit lands that's not a weakass projectile, it shifts back into 2d
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>>416528893
A you an idiot? There's been constant discussions since launch, and very rarely do you have people hating the game.
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>>416522920
You don't have to "guess" mid hits since you can't block them standing or crouching.

Unless you meant mid as in stand-block only moves. Usually that terminology is for 3D fighters, but 2D games have been adopting it more and more these days.
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Who's hyped for the DLC?

Looking to replace Blackku with Vegito for my team when it drops, Zematsu looks fun but he'll probably be the DLC character I skip this round just like I skipped Broly last time.
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>>416530090
DBFZ has definitely gotten criticism multiple times here. I don't know why you're acting as if the game is perfect.
And that discussion you mentioned mostly anime stuff and dlc wishlists.
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>>416530090
Are you? This game was never a sacred cow imune to criticisms. When people started getting their hands on the game, issues arose.
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>>416520860
It's accurate, though. Canonically the weakest fighter in the series, and constantly gets BTFO.
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Am I the only one here who is Super Saiyan God rank or higher? Am I the best player on /v/?
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>>416531235
yeah, congrats
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>>416522920
There is no 'mid'. You can block it just by blocking. You just block either lows or overheads, that's it. Or the occasional easy to react cross up.
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>>416531235
>online ranking meaning anything
Plsy at some majors nigger
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>>416531235
I stopped playing at Demon because games eventually became carbon-copies of each other with the exact same comps being used, and I can only take Cell spam shit for so long.

Wasn't having fun anymore.
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I just bought the game, where do I start/what resources are there so I can start to git gud

I have experience with some other fighting games but not marvel style ones.
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v jump leaks when
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>>416532313
friday
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>>416532142
Learn to jump cancel to extend combos. Play around with auto combo and start to add your own shit in to get the feel for it, look up combo videos for your character to get an in-depth look at what you should be doing.

Look at your blockstring for your characters to understand where you're vulnerable when they're guarding, and use assists to cover that gap where you can be countered.
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>>416505214
It didn't

>>416532142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtYw3mt3HMw&ab_channel=MaximilianDood
and search for combos for your characters
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>>416532313
Here you go
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>>416532486
>Linking to Capcom's favorite shill
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>>416532740
>if he likes something Capron he's a shill
>when other people straight up try to lie about Blazblue performance to get people to play, but that's okay
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>>416522426
It becomes more neutral based because it's impossible to react to lows and mids if the character has an option to chose between the two in a blockstring. Anyone who gets put into a blockstring once is guaranteed to get combod.
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>>416532740
>a worthwhile guide for helping beginners is worthless because he likes a game i don't like
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>>416522292
i did
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>>416532898
>YOOOOOOO DUDE MVCI IS TOTAL NOT DEAD!!! GET HYPE AND SOME ANON1069 SOME TACOS!!!
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>>416533165
If you've seen any of his MVCI videos of late he concedes to the fact that the game failed. But, obviously you haven't because you're just a shitposter.
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>>416533165
>plays bbtag, dbfz, mvc2, guilty gear, and mvci
>made video on mvci's faults
wtf he's paid by capcom to like what I don't!
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>>416533257
Mabey I don't follow him because I am above the age of 15?
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>>416533502
Look at that backpedal!
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>>416533257

Don't even bother replying to him. That poster is not someone who even plays or enjoys fighting games. They don't even have real arguments, just CAPS greentext and screenshots/rumors they saw enough in a previous thread and so they thought they were true.

The more you respond to him. The more he wins. Just let his retardation die with the rest of him.
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>>416533165
why the fuck does this geek still play mvci when he doesn't like it
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>>416533678

If you watched a single video he's made on it you'd know what his actual stance on the game is. I'm not going to tell you that though because it's more fun to let you look fucking retarded to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about.
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>>416533551
>You should follow every step of this E-celebs's life,!
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>>416532740
He definitely is a capcom shill but that combo vid was still pretty useful
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>>416533914

>i shouldn't have to know what im talking about look at me and how retarded i am oh lol was i wrong well i just being IRONIC

What do you even do with your day, man? I consider a /v/-shitposter way more pathetic than anyone who happens to watch a couple of e-celeb videos.
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>>416533914
Glad you admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>416533914
I fucking hate max and I think you're being ridiculous right now. At the very least offer an alternative if you're that assmad over it. UnderDog's videos over the game itself have been pretty solid. Don't care too much for the opinion focused videos.
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>likes fighting game
>hates rushing down
>both DBFZ and SFV are rush down games
>i hate this timeline
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>>416534816
I suspect zoners are going to be incredibly good in xtag, if that's any consolation
Rachel's assists can basically turn any character with good normals into a mid range spacing god
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>>416534395
Underdog is shit for different reasons. Rofflemonger is much better.
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>>416533810
>watching shill soimales

he’s extremely obnoxious so I’ll pass
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>literally insult DBEZ on /v/ for having a mediocre neutral and basic defense
>literally 90% of the fanbase think the game is fine and has no issues
>DBFZ patch update and bbtag is released
>"bbtag is so fun and it actually has push block, I'ma drop dbfz for it"

why are FGCfags so retarded?
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>>416505214
It's a good fight game but fighting games just suck. You have to be at least slightly autistic to enjoy them.
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>>416534816
my aminconcern is the simplified battle system. that is getting on my nerfs. even arc dropped the technical and stylish choice in BBCTB to make everything be stylish mode on steroids thanks to characters being their Unlimited versions but from the ghetto.
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>>416535559
literally who are you quoting?
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>>416535618
Its a safe fighting game that makes it good for all types of players. but playing it too safe will never make it in the long run so a decline was almost certain
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>>416535559
people have been dropping dbfz one month in and going back to their respective games. but since DBFZ has the retardness of Smash fanbase on its scene it looks like everybody loves the game. even the pro players dick sucking is just like the smash scene
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>>416535748
>super dashing
>playing it safe

pick one
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>>416535738
The majority of the people who have played both and compared the two games
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>>416535559
Why do you think DBFZ is flawless Pedro?
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>>416535860
>auto combos
>similar character roster
>lack of defensive options to award mashers
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>>416532486
>>416532898
>>416532957
>>416533257
>>416533605
>>416533810
>>416534108
>>416534113
>defending max
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>>416535875
Post 1 (ONE) direct quote that validates your case. Just one.
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>>416535895
Its quite the opposite. Ive been bashing DBFZ since its release for being a watered down fighting game. Ive shitposted about the games lack of mechanics and variety daily on here and faggots in here ignored it despite many pros bringing it up as well. Now that a similar game is released with better options faggots are now saying the same shit I had said since February.
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>>416536202
https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=bbtag%20dbfz
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>>416536240
>many pros
>only whining babbies like leffen and chrisg

there are issues tho
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>>416536445
waiting on a direct quote that confirms your case because you still haven’t supplied one

dbfz is fine mechanically and bb ctb is more fun than dbfz because of its mechanics, from the same person

Still waiting.
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>>416536469
dekillsage too and sonicfox
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>>416520643
>pushed into corner
>at this point you really should have meter
>teleport before they attack
Literally nothing personell kid
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Every character feels the same because of homogenized inputs, engaging single-player content is nonexistent, there’s little reason to play anyone but the best characters because of afornentioned homogenization & lol1assist, and the community is actively the worst in the FGC since Melee, who actively try to make people feel stupid for playing or watching other games.
Only game I ever got rid of, and I just threw the disc away in the end I hated it that much.
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>>416537087
If you’re not fighting a literal saibamen, you’re just going to get caught during vanish start up by a meaty. This game has the scariest corner or just about any fighting game in existence.
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WHERE IS HE
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>>416532365
>>416532486
Is there a list of key mechaniics, and tech I should know?

Like, I know about Vanish and super dash and such already, but I don'tt know much about the actual propertties of them.

Is vanishable punishable on block? how does comboing from itt work? I think i've also seen people cancel the vanish into a special, normals, or just noting instead of the actual vanish attack. How does that work? Same for dragon rush/throw, I think ii've seen people use a normal instead of the launcher/forced tagout ender. Speaking of tagouts, I've seen comboos that allows for safe tagouts mid combo: Is there a rulee forr where that does or dooesn't work? Does it always work off of launchers, for instance? How does the ;launch mechanic even work, I think I heard it's also tied to wallbounces?

Witth tthe universal overhead, can you confirm/combo off that? I'm also really confused about DHCing: I've never played a team fiighter, and from what I can tell, DBFZ also has a second sort of DHC mechanic on top of normal DHC's?
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>>416505571
How can blocking be OP? I've seen a shitload of gigantic blocks rings the would hit the players one time or another and eat half of their life bar.
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Made for fighting game fags instead of DBZ fags.
Should have had long drawn out fights against one bad guy. Needs a story mode based on the entire DBZ series, similar to the Budokai Tenkaichi games maybe with some video packages to tell the story like the WWE 2K games.
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>>416539635
leave casual, we are talking about fighting games over here
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>>416539635
there’s already a million non-fighting game dbz games

fuck off
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>>416505571
Remember when Wong did a solo Akuma comeback on I believe Neo and he blocked for a good half a minute with perfect pushblock to mitigate chip? Good defensive players can block the craziest shit even when they are pseudo guard break characters like Vergil. GO1 is just really defensive unless he's playing SFV because grabs are just too good.
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>>416539635
Kill yourself.
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Arcsys games are never able to hold a decent enough crowd because their games always have something that people usually fucking hate and they usually hold art direction and some other character concepts higher than gameplay. they also took too long to balance android 16 and vegeta.

Besides fighting games aren't really that popular among vidya that much and other titles already hold people's attention regardless of their quality.

The only thing arc sys is able to do to gather money trough short lived games that reuse assets with overpriced dlc.
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>>416537089

>homogenized inputs

Play some KOF XIV Angel then my man.

That game has actual dragon punches. Super inputs can buffer from specials buttery smooth once you get it down. Both of her supers are 4623 motions.

Rock Howard has cancels from his rising tackle and Shinku Nage done with AB that allow comboing.

Geeze has fun inputs and combos.
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>>416539138
bumping this

Also, between Black, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, and Broly, what's the best team to start with?
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>>416542252
to be cancer?

black/cell/vegeta
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Dlc characters only have 6 colors
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>>416542656
I mean I want to use broly eventually but my understanding is that he's not good for begineers.
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>>416537089
>homogenized inputs
You're half right, you're acting like inputs are the only thing that matters but character movesets and mechanics in general also feel very homogenized. BBTAG has even more homogenized inputs but the characters are still very different from each other in spite of this.
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should have been a playable character
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>>416542845
You have to unlock them like you unlocked the rest, by buying capsules.
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>>416513770
>>416513467
>>416513000
>>416512579

this is so pathetic
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>>416543014
Broly is basically all neutral with extremely basic bnbs, he’s fine for beginners.

All the characters play similar enough that it’s not going to be too hard on you no matter who you pick.
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why is chrisg such a pussy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYsC__LeBY
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>>416543818
Okay, so then between Black, Vegeta, Cell, and Freeza, who would bee the best temates for him?

I know Black is good on point and Vegeta (used to?) be good as an anchor, and I think Freeza is also an anchor, but i'm unclear what role broly is best at: From what I see, most people play him on point, but my understanding is he's also meter reliant to get decent damage, so would he be better as a mid?
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>>416544237
Don’t even bother thinking about synergy before you understand the game. Pick whoever you want to play the most to begin with.
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>>416541248
Based KOF poster
It's the pinnacle of modern fightan and everybody is sleeping on it. All of the characters feel incredibly varied in combos, neutral, ect. The system mechanics are fun and allow for generally aggressive, quick matches.
and the OST is amazing
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That's my main gripe too, obviously as a shitty ploy to extend the game's lifespan.
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Stop arguing.
Dbfz is baby's first fighting game with zero fucking depth.
Cross tag battle is a lazy mugen rip off that rivals even capcom in terms of scamming people.
Sfv is a consistently unbalanced mess.
MvCi is dead.
You're all playing awful games and are trying to act like they're the best fighting games out there. Fuck off. I hate seeing these threads. Dbz shitposters need to realize the game was waaaaay overhyped and got stale after a week cos the game is so basic and every character plays the same, bar 3 characters.
Sfv shitposters need to realize that your game has been a colossal failure since release and capcom has no idea how to balance a fighting game anymore.
You've both been equally cucked and need to get some higher standards when it comes to this genre.
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>>416545962
>Sfv is a consistently unbalanced mess.
That's fighting games in general.
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>>416546226
Yeah but sfv is unbalanced to the point of making you question why you'd ever play it.
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>>416545962
>Sfv is unbalanced
Typical vappa
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>>416543978
So this is the power of Capcbros?
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>>416546830
I can't believe they think they can compete with an anime god.
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>>416545962
Okay but what about

>Tekken 7
>injustiice 2
>KI
>Pokken
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>>416545962
t.smashturd
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>>416546446
>implying it's not
It's just as unbalanced as every other bad fighting game.
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>>416545962
I'm guessing you're a guilty gear player
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>>416547672
>it's as imbalanced as mk
>or injustice
>or SG
>or BlazBlue
>or Xtrd
>or Tekken
In those games you literally pick top 5 or die.
SF at least has 8-10 usable characters even at top level play. The only characters that are almost objectively shit are grapplers(except mika), and capcom has already said they DO NOT want grapplers to be strong.
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>>416536181
This. The guy is so fucking quick to offer up his opinion on every aspect of every fighting game ever, but the guy is fucking shit at everything he plays and can't even compete without having panic attacks. Maxfags need to drink anti-freeze.
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>>416548195
Yes, MK, Injustice, BB, and SG are all bad games so I don't see why you listed those.
>Tekken 7
Top 5 may be dominate in that game but there are at least another 10 that are tournament viable. You can fuck off if you wrongly believe otherwise.
SF has maybe 6 characters that are tournament viable. The only difference is that there are better character specialists that are too stupid to swap unless their character is completely gutted like Ryu or Gief.
>except Mika
Mika is pretty bad. Mago carries Mika.
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>maintenance
maintenance was yesterday. why is there another..?
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>>416505214
>First fightan game
>Been playing since release
>Better, but still not very good.

A veteran friend of mine said I go too ham, but I get bored of full screen fuckery sometimes. I also push too high on the stick when standing block, so I always jump instead of stand. Oh well. Keep grinding, I guess.
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>>416548467
You say that like almost all top 16s/32s don't consist of DJ, Drag, Jack, Kazumi, Ling or Paul.
And this tournament viability you speak of gets people where exactly? To top 8, or crushed by korean drag players?
If you want exaggerate the balance of the roster you might as well do so fairy and mention the ones in SFV that are potentially viable, or even list specific characters.
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I'm not good at fighting games but i play all of them

the latest King of Fighters and Killer Instinct are the best ones out right now imo
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>>416549761
lmao Paul isn't even top 5, nigga. It is fair to complain about seeing Jack and Dragunov so often higher up in the bracket, though. But that has more to do with Saint and JDCR being machines.
>mention the ones in SFV that are potentially viable
Because they don't exist. They're either carried by the person playing them or are wildcards in one out of ten tournaments.
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anyone whose played a mvc game knows dbfz is fucking trash. how do you make a vs game with characters that nearly all play the same. characters with only 3 or 4 special moves. man fuck arcsys
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>>416542845
You sure? Ive unlocked so much stuff I mostly get Z coins, yet I still only have 6 colors for bardock
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I wish superdash didn't exist. Because if it didn't exist then 2H probably wouldn't be so ridiculously good, which would lead to a more air dash-heavy neutral a la GG Xrd

Right now it's just jumping either back or foward until you can air-to-air the opponent, it's just lame. This game would heavily benefit from a more common ground game.
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>>416550320
So you continue with these stupid exaggerations and forget the fact that Paul has shown up often in recent tournaments.
>drag and jack steamrolling tournaments has more to do with gooks than the character being broken
They are phenomenal players but even america's top player mains jack.
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>>416551010
Yeah, but he's sure as hell not as dominate as any of the actual Top 5. You think he's as good as Jack, Drag, Xiaoyu, Kazumi, or Devil Jin? If so, cease replying. I don't want to talk to you anymore.
>They are phenomenal players but even america's top player mains jack
I just listed them because they're convenient. Anakin isn't that far behind them in terms of percent of body being metallic.
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>>416551328
I can concede that paul is definitely not on the same level as the other top characters, though he comes close and sees play.
So now you've helped me see the light that whatever even resembles another top character does not even come close.




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