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ISAAC IS STILL CORRUPT, HE NEEDS TO BE CUT OFF FROM ALL THAT IS EVIL IN THIS WORLD AND make a binding of isaac thread
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DRY BABY
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Post items you're always happy to see on the first floor
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>>416626428
;)
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>>416626428
Especially as Azazel, Eve, or ???.
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>Floor 1 Mutant Spider into Pact
>Jacob's Ladder and have a fucking blast
>Can't see items, accidentally pick up Tech 2 and lose the basic effect on my shots in favor of a decently-strong laser
>Blind-pick Brimstone
>Gib Mom instantly, had Tammy's Head since floor 1 as well
>Boss Rush has Ipecac, gotta try
>Pic related stats
>My Tech 2 damage can destroy every single boss in the Rush before they even get a chance to move
>And I got a quad Brimstone beam on backup for when I need to utterly shit damage, plus Tammy for speed-room-clear
Best seed. VZLB MTYK
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>Proptosis
>As Azazel
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>try to win as ???
>somehow amass a metric fuckton of blue spiders and blue flies
>every boss dies within a second
It was fun
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>he takes devil deals
>when angel rooms give you much better items
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>>416627456
>better items
>90% of the pool are defensive items
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>>416627456
>he needs angel room items to win
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Why is this one of the better new items?
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>>416627456
2 soul heats and an eternal heart, whaoaa
OH MAN OH MAN
Is that a... BREATHE OF LIFE!?
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>>416627456
>Breath of Life
Thanks...
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>tfw never get Dad's Key as Lost
I just wanna get the fucking god tier Devil Deal items like Dead Cat as him, good lord.
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>>416627864
Coupon + Batteries = FREE Deals.
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>>416627947
But you get free devil deals with the lost anyways, the problem is anon needs to kill the Angels that only spawn when you don't take devil deals.
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Isaac's pissed
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>>416628046
Coupon makes Deals LITERALLY FREE NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
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>>416628046
It's riskier to take free devil deals with the lost since you may end up dying if you pay too much for one.
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>>416628124
Uh Anon.
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What would a God boss fight be like?
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Isaac was simple... and they were both Isaac
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>>416628312
God can't be a boss, he's like the only good guy in isaac
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I know I'm going to sound like a whiny faggot, but what's the appeal of this game? I played a few rounds and just kept getting fucked over by shitty items/items that I didn't know how to use.
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Why is The Forgotten the worst DLC character yet? At least someone like the Keeper added some gameplay depth by using money as health. The Forgotten is literally just LOL BONE CLUB
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>>416628312
There would be no god fighr, closest thing would be his Dad.
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>>416628445
Watching an innocent cinnamon roll who's not really truly innocent slowly lose it.
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>>416628461
Stop that.
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>>416626630
Nice
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>>416628496
is there lore to this game? How accessible is it and how much more of this dumb bullshit do I have to go through to get it?
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>>416628589
Not an argument.
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>>416628781
the lore is almost as deep as ur moms vag
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>>416628445
Every run is different, which keeps things interesting. There's tons of cool item combinations you can get.
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>>416628781
It gets fun as soon as you get Azazel.
also, lore is
>Isaac has a Mom and Dad
>Dad abuses him
>Dad leaves
>Isaac's christian beliefs cause him to think he caused it all
>His cat dies
>Isaac believes he's the devil at this point
>Isaac ends his own life by getting in a chest
>The entire game was just a dying dream
>The two paths of Sheol and Cathedral are Isaac going deeper into his fantasy and slowly realizing his fate
>True final boss is his sanity slowly falling apart
>Mom was never truly evil, just a devout christian
>Mom finds his corpse after it's already a skeleton, buries it with his own stuff
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>Got all Forgotten marks within a day
>Including Delirium
>Still haven't completed Greed or Lost because don't like endless restarting for item combos
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>>416629108
>Dad abuses him
wat
Where's the proofs
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Greedier mode is trash, its unbeatable as the lost without going infinite
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So how many hours did you clock in /v/ to get all the achievements unlocked?
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>>416629202
>>416629108
Or rather
>Dad abuses him
>Mom doesn't
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>>416629202
It's implied through the final ending and the fact that all the items that imply Dad in them make him even more depressed.
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>>416629259
or maybe he's sad because his dad left and not because his dad beat him
and
>implying implications
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>>416629239
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>>416629108
>Dad abuses him
>all the dad-related items help Isaac the most
>Torn Photo makes Isaac the saddest
???
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>>416628461
Keeper is shit though, not because he is weak but because way too many items do nothing for him

Forgotten is fun, just a bit too strong
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>>416629563
>109
you did this on purpose didn't you?
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>>416629259
>Burnt photos of dad
>Drawing of dad & Isaac being happy together
>Drawing of Mom with a knife & bags under eyes
>Dad being the one who left in the first place
>Mom constantly being a direct aggressor in items and TWO bosses
>Daddy Long-legs being an item that helps you without hurting
I think Isaac and Mom became depressed after he left, not because of him being there
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*spawns on top of you*
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>>416629259
>make him even more depressed
Because he's gone. All the dad items are better than the mom items.
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>>416629893
that boss is basically an optional DPS Dummy once you do all his achievements.

Too bad the void isn't as item filled as the chest. Disappointment.
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>>416628461
>changes the basic way of how you fight enemies and gives you a challenging, but fair, experience
>LOL MONYE HEALTH

Besides, the only depth Keeper adds is just making sure you get swallowed penny. He's probably the most easily broken character, but that doesn't mean he's fun.
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>>416629893
*instantly leaps from an unseen corner of the room onto you*
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So what if there's a sequel that takes place in purgatory?
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>>416630847
So what if there's a prequel that's protagonist is a shitty meme item.
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>be me
>somehow manage to get the undying combo going
>can't remember which items but basically if you take damage, you get teleported back to the previous room
>if I had to describe the run with one sentence it would be "doing the same thing over and over until it works"
>need 2 fucking hours to finish the run because I got stuck at the devil forever
>go in
>shoot
>get shot
>automatic teleport
>repeat
>slowly crawling my way towards victory by getting better and better each time
>finally kill the fucker
>close the game and never open it again
>it's been a year since that
>can't remember anything about that game except that one run
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>>416629108

There's no point to Isaac lore because it's about as cohesive and "totally not made up on the spot" as Lost.

It literally appeals to fags that thinks sad macabre subject matter = depth in story-telling.
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>tfw the lost is unironically my favorite character now because holy mantle
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>>416631875
I'm yet to unlock holy mantle for him, wouldn't it just work against the D4?
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>>416628461
He is the best character added, you are legit a brainlet if you think keeper os better
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>>416632169
It would. D4 is unusable as lost if you have holy mantle since it's so good.
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I have five hours on this game and just beat moms heart, can I ask what are some tips to get more devil deals?
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>>416626242
shit version.
the original is superior.
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>>416630847
According to Edmund's last interview it is probsbly gonna happen, he said that the forgotten is a "cutscene" character and that his soul is still stuck on his body, he even wanted to save him for a sequel but ended up releaseing him anyways
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>>416627823
>Go to Devil Room
>3 chests, one has a pill, the other 2 has bombs
>Also there's an imp
>and if you're lucky, you get Krampus

>Go to Angel Room
>4 soul hearts locked behind fire and 6 coins
>Can get key pieces
>Reroll fodder, but at least you get items
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>>416632360
Don't take red heart damage.
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>>416632360
Don't take red heart damage, kill beggars and keepers
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>>416632493
>go to devil room
>brimstone, incubus, abaddon

>go to angel room
>holy water
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>>416631016
Damn
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>>416632427
Possibly the most contrarian opinion ever posted here.
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>trying to unlock the forgotten.
>get an azazel run that starts proptosis and picks up basically every raw damage item in the game plus double shot
>get theres more options
>curse of the blind on depths 2
>50 50 on picking up the rest of the shovel after i beat the boss rush
>i didnt get it
fastest uninstall of my life
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>>416629108
Dad abuses Mom, not Isaac
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what the fuck were they thinking???
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>>416632843
Literally never ever. Enjoy your Krampus' Head, faggot.
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>>416633568
An original idea probably
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If I have both key pieces and d4 will the door to mega Satan still open?
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>>416633568
>free hearts for skill

I think it's okay
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>>416633678
no, the key pieces arent a flag, you have to have them as passive items when you get to the chest
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>>416632427
The only thing about it that's better is the soundtrack, which is admittedly fucking stellar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6h8_Y_ot4
Please don't get me to rant about Ed dropping Danny again
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>>416633638
thanks, enjoy your immaculate conception
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>>416631685
Don't pick up cursed eye ever again
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>Binding of Isaac squeaker playing on twitch.
>See him get damn good items the first floor.
>Tell him to press Alt+F4 to see what items he is missing.
>MFW he actually does it.
>MFW he starts banning people outright for calling him an idiot.
>MFW he stops streaming.
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>>416632360
Save ANY soul hearts you find on the first floor until after you beat it. Then go back and collect them.

Blow up tinted rocks to find them more easily.
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>Maggy
Yeah, I will.
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>>416632427
i love the original and its soundtrack, but it just doesn't run well anymore since flash is outdated, it's time to move on
eternal mode also sucks giant fucking dick
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>>416633836
Ed dropped Danny because Danny went full SJW. Sometimes you have to cut off your hand to save your arm.
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I've been playing Antibirth this whole time, are the booster packs actually good?
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>>416634226
>Danny went full SJW

Lolwut. How
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>>416634270
yes, they are now, antibirth devs have been helping with them
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>>416634270
The Forgotten is literally the best character ever made in Isaac, and better than anything in Antibirth. I don't regret uninstalling Antibirth now. I did for a good year, but now I don't.

Don't forget to listen to this while playing as The Forgotten. It puts you in the zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybVa-SEYt7s
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>>416634270

It's a compilation of the best community mods so yeah, they're good. Doesn't excuse the abortion that is Afterbirth+ though. Antibirth is actually good and it'll be better as soon as they update it.
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>>416634390
Twitter drama, accusations, etc etc. I don't want to bring /pol/ into the thread, but Danny was the one who distanced himself from Edmund to begin with.
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>>416634447

Why would you even uninstall Antibirth. Do you need your 175mb of Harddrive space that much.

Also Antibirth is automatically better because new bosses and enemies are actually different instead of "same mob but now tankier" horseshit that Afterbirth+ was full of.

Also much MUCH better soundtrack.
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>>416632843
Devil Room Pool
>Literally just uninteresting damage ups and familiars as boring as sister Maggie and brother Bobby and an item that charms every enemy with an annoying 5 second animation everytime

>b-but muh brimstones moms knife!!

Yeah ok keep living in 2011 dude.

Meanwhile...
>Purity
>Holy LIght
>God Head
>Prism
>Holy Brimstone that actually synergies with cool affects like Parasite, Crickets Body, My Reflection.
>Angels can act as free items if re-rolled or if you have the special trinket.

HOW CAN DEVIL FAGS EVEN COMPETE.
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>>416634270
Forgotten's god tier, and they added new enemies for the boring alt floors (Burning Basement, Flooded Caves, Dank Depths, Scarred Womb) to make them more original.
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>>416634698
Afterbirth+ has tons of new enemies, many ripped directly from Antibirth
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>>416634270
>>most boosters are pulled from steam mods

dude anything that edmund can do the community can do better, OF COURSE it's good.
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>>416634748
>>Holy Brimstone
Pardon?
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Fucking finally.
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>>416634390
That's what I heard as well. It was all centered around the gamergate bullshit. Danny was against it while Ed was either neutral or for it.
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>>416635236
Are you the guy from yesterday that only had Mega Satan left to beat?
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>>416635025
so THIS is the power of Afterbirth+!
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>>416635336
No. I had Greed left. Just unlocked Keeper too. Got a blank card, double charge and 2 of diamonds and managed to max out the donation machine.
I fucking hate greed mode.
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>>416635370
It's called Trisagion btw
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>>416628063
>Fighting game shoe horns indie characters in it
>Every one of them is either a Animu girl with huge tits or a Animu girl with a penis oh also shovel knight and isaac I guess.
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>>416633894
How was someone able to make this image without seeing the “X” on the rocks in the 2nd and 4th rows.

They even missed an entire rock.
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>>416635464
>I had Greed left
But Godhead was an item before Afterbirth and Greed mode
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>>416631016
Lil Gurdy or Little Horn deserved a game of their own before Bumbo.
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>>416626242
ISAAC AND HIS ISAAC LIVED ALONE IN A SMALL ISAAC ON ISAAC
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>>416635578
Well, I hadn't unlocked it before AB and I had Greed left, so I guess they retroactively changed the unlock conditions.
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>>416635735
Oh, they did.
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>Ultra Hard
>First boss is Champion Little Horn (Orange)
>Forced to take damage because a shitty CONTACT DAMAGE Troll Bomb landed teleported on top of you through Little Horn's drop a bomb into a portal move
Thanks.
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>>416633894
WAIT YOU CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING SPOT THEM IN THE WOMB????
I HAVE PLAYED THIS GAME FOR A THOUSAND FUCKING HOURS
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>>416635464
whoever decided to make damage scaling a thing in this game needs to be stabbed, anyway to remove it from ultra greed?
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Is there any easy way like using a console command to cheat unlock characters?
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>>416635735
before the dlcs were added vanilla rebirth just required the original harddmode marks for the lost
i did this before the dlc dropped
it was not fun
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>>416636006
X has literally always marked the spot, dumbass
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>>416636006
It's easier to find them in the Scarred Womb, but it's definitely possible in the Womb.
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>>416626428
Mom's Knife with the Forgotten is a fucking delight.
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>>416636084
It's so much harder to see, I just never noticed it
I knew they were there, I just couldn't discern the difference
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>start Afterbirth+ for the first time since release because of this thread
>Curse of the Lost!
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>>416635552
>Shoehorns
It was meant to be an indie fighter from the getgo. None of the characters are popular/well known/important. Isaac and Quote are probably the most well known of the entire cast.
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How much better is the remake?
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>>416636278
>Rebirth
9/10
>Afterbirth
7/10
>Afterbirth+
8.5/10
>Antibirth (mod)
9/10
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>>416636227
>Hold R
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>>416636341
>Afterbirth+
>8.5/10
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>>416635370
Its shit though, the damage on it ticks too slowly and its worse the more shot speed you have
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>>416628461
>the only secret character without shitty gimmicks that make him a chore to play as
>the only character with an actual melee mechanic and a transformation ability
>it's not the keeper
>worst character

Sure buddy.
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Greedier mode is fucking awful, prove me wrong
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>>416636278
Rebirth was amazing
I had played a shitton of the original + WOTL and while the OG did some things better, Rebirth was mostly just a straight upgrade + great expansion
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>>416636458
After all the boosters it's a legitimately good expansion.
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>Curse of the Blind
I wish I could permanently disable this curse only
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>>416636586
but you're right
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>>416636074
Same here.
All the other were somehow manageable by playing carefully but boss rush was pure bullshit.
I cheated this one by alt+f4'ing on death animation before it was patched.
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>>416636642
Only took them a year.
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>>416636586
removing blood banks was a mistake
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>>416634219
Eternal Mode fucking ruins everything. Also there are not even actual rewards for beating it besides the achievement
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>>416636227
>curse of the maze
>amnesia pill
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>still haven't found Missing Page
WHAT THE FUCK
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>>416636586
cold take but yeah I agree.
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>>416636586
It's shit. Just Steakmund McMuffin telling you to chew even SLOWER.
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>>416626692
>first floor
better hope for that joker card, then
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>>416636821
i did that too, although you couldn't do it at first cuz ed fucked up and had the lost die when continuing a run
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Alright, i know im late, but i just got golden god, what do i do now? mega satan? try to unlock the lost? get the forgotten? get a mod so i can unlock the keeper in a non bullshit way?
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>>416636586
>Basement waves are actually harder than Caves waves
It doesn't make sense.
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>>416636835
Yeah, but it doesn't matter anymore because it's out now. Afterbirth+ was shit for a year, but now it's good.
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>>416635578
Every expansion makes it harder to get Godhead as the requirements get changed for new bosses. AB requires Greed, Mega Satan and Hush killed on Hard mode as Lost if you didn't have it unlocked already in vanilla Rebirth.

It's really stupid as challenge achievements get adjusted too and the game simply throws all of the latest additions into Rebirth challenges as well. Hope you did Family Man, Solar System and all the other bullshit challenges before installing AB and especially AB+.
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>>416637101
congrats on getting half way through the game, now unlock forgotten and have fun, unlock lost when you find missing poster, don't bother with the original rebirth method, cheat engine your way to keeper and greed machine unlocks
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>>416626242
antibirth on switch when?
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>>416628385
God isn't even represented as good in the game though. The large chunk of the game's plot revolves around Isaac's conflict between what is holy and what is sinful, and feels constantly judged by god for who he is, no matter what he does. It's why he ends up in Limbo when he dies. The game's story is a commentary on how religion can be used to harm.
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>>416627456
>enter angel room
>see holy water and 2 blue fires that drop nothing
>blow up angel statue to get a second item pedestal
>breathe of life and guardian spear appear after rerolling
BASED
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When's the next Switch update coming?
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>>416636251
>Isaac and Quote are probably the most well known
I love Cave Story, but Shovel Knight is much more recognizable to anyone not Japanese.
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>>416637628
In a year or so, then another year till Nicalis acknowledges they broke something by accident, then another 6 months before they fix that.
That's best case scenario though. PS4 AB+ was busted out the gate and I don't think they ever patched anything still.
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>>416637860
Isaac is definitely better known than SK, but you're right about Quote.
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>>416637540
>Guardian Spear
You mean the Spear of Destiny? I never understood that fucking item. The hitbox is absolutely tiny.
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>>416632360
Hey so its the same guy again, One last question, I haven't gotten afterbirth+ yet, my main question is should I hold out till I get everything I can or jump into the deep end where I am now.
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>>416636586
Sad but true.
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>>416638593
Honestly, the sooner you get it the better. You just get dropped in this giant pool of items, as opposed to forcing your way through pain to 100% to then endlessly reroll to find new items.
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Why the fuck is D100 a special item?
It justs fuck ups your runs most of time.
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>>416638982
transformations and cumulative passives make it broken as fuck
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>>416638982
if you got a lot of shit, you can get transformations easy
can also help if you got shitty items and nothing to lose
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So how would you rank the characters in terms of usability/fun?
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>>416638982
Nah, D100 is OP as fuck because of >>416639185 said. It's easy to become broken as fuck with it, I've gotten more Hush/Delirium runs saved with D100 than a run ruined at all.
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>>416639185
Can you explain this further?
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>>416639527
Every item you collect counts towards your Transformations counter. If you D100 enough, you'll eventually cycle through enough Fly items to get Beelzebub. Enough Guppy stuff to get Guppy. Enough Spider items to get Spider Baby. Etc.
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>>416638593
In my opi ion you should at least get Greed mode and most of the unlocks done for characters you dislike first. Greed mode in particular gets much harder in AB+ once Stonies and Portals get tossed into the enemy spawn pools.
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>>416639527
For example: it takes 3 Guppy item touches to become Guppy. So if you pick up a tail and re-roll and you end up with a dead cat, you're now 2/3 guppy. With D100 it's easy to cycle through a lot of transformation items
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>>416637307
You don’t even need cheat engine, just enable mods (any mod) and use the console to spawn the greed machine and a dollar, restart when the machine blows. DESU cheating is an easy way to ruin Isaac and make everything feel inconsequential, but repeatedly playing Greed mode is so fucking boring that I’d say that it makes a good case for exception. If I hadn’t cheated the rest of the coins after completing the mode with all of the characters, I doubt that I would have ever unlocked Keeper, it’s just such a dull gamemode when compared to regular Isaac.
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If they added an unlock that replaced ???'s poop with a dice, what would you want it to be?
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>>416639637
>>416639669
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks.
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So how would you buff the Keeper? The Antibirth dev behind the final booster update, Kilburn, has said on the Isaac Discord he wants to change Keeper, but doesn't know how he should do it yet. Says that he won't give him Greed's Gullet, as he claims that more health doesn't fix his problems.
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>>416639794
D6 or D20.
Better idea.
Unlock:
>Blue Baby now holds more poop!
>Gives him Backpack and Flush
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>>416639317
Forgotten>Isaac (d6)>Azazel>Eden>Lost (Holy Mantle>Judas>Samson>Lilith>Cain>Lost (d4)>Eve (Razor)>Apollyon>Isaac>???>Lazarus>Maggy>Lost>>>>>>>>Keeper
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>>416639991
>Not Petrified Poop
Step it up.
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>>416639794
D8 to have more chances for soul heart
>>416639891
Give him more luck and normal speed
Also health is his problem, hes basically the Lost after holy mantle is unlocked, without flight
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>>416639794
Dirty Dice
version of D12 that turns every rock into a poop or poop variant
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Let's go
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>>416639651
Depends on what you stand to gain/lose. The 4 pip room rerolls all pedestals on the floor, so save it until the boss is killed and then use it if you didn't get anything good from that or the treasure room. One of the dice rooms rerolls and restarts the floor so you can get more items from bosses and treasure/shop rooms.
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>>416640171
EY ERRYBODY
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>>416639891
Give him Greed's Gullet or Head of The Keeper.
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>>416640171
Dumb damage
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>>416639891
Health IS his problem. He's actually harder to use than Lost due to less speed in regards to everything and unlike the Lost who has flight, spectral tears and the unlockable mantle to make up for HP ups doing nothing, Keeper gets nothing in return and usually can't take most Devil deals either.

Have devil AND angel room items cost pennies, that will make him more unique right off the bat.
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>curse of the blind
>Pick up mirror or tiny planet
>Hold R
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>>416640171
>He said in 2012 it would be dumb to do Isaac in 2014
NOT
EVEN
ONCE
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>>416639775
Yeah, greed is playable to the extent that you play it once with each character, but there’s zero fun to be had replaying it. The idea of alternative game modes is fun, but it’s just not fun to whack enemy waves in identical rooms.

But if greed more is boring, fuck greedier, fuck greedier sideways to hell. It’s literally the most anti-fun thing in the game, I had more fun with Keeper/Lost runs in default mode than in greedier with supposedly normal characters. I know that they patched it from the insanity of the release days, but it’s still crap.
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>>416640909
Tiny Planet + Coal is fun.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=CN4dnKL_mCU
I've heard you had some problems with challenges, hairyboy
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>>416639891
Max health of 6
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>>416641114
I like this, but I still don't know literally who
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>>416636642
No it’s not? The boosters shat up the item pools and the bosses added all fucking suck cock. Greedier mode is a trash fire, delirium and the void floor are still buggy and broken as fuck. The only booster worth a damn was this last one because it added Forgotten and fixed a few bugs.

AB+ is barely a 4/10, even including the forgotten and the bug fixes.
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>>416639317
This is my personal power ranking with brief explanations

Forgotten - Bone club is great, bone hearts are great, the Soul is great with maneuverability and range when needed
Azazel - mini brimstone and flight is ez mode
Isaac - D6, starts with bomb which early game could provide crucial to access of otherwise inaccessible consumables or items
Lost - flight + spectral + free devil deals + holy mantle
Judas - high damage and book of belial
Cain - paper clip, good damage & overall stats, personal favorite
Eve - pop razor blade immediately for a pseudo Judas kick off thanks to Babylon
Apollyon - void items you don't need for stat boosts
Lilith - box o friends is good but as a character isn't very fun to use
Lazarus - early Lazarus 2 for pseudo Judas, can also get "free" devil deals using this safety net
Blue Baby - dependence on soul/black hearts could make early game difficult if RNG isn't in your favor
Samson - super easy if you get hit a lot, can be good if you have an overabundance of health
Maddy - again easy if you're shit but she's slow as fuck
Keeper - just fucking shit and not fun to play as
Eden is again a wildcard so his powerlevel is varied, but on average he'd be in between Eve and Apollyon
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>>416641029
I can appreciate the idea that Nicalis tries to add some harder endgame content like Hush, Greedier and Delirium, but they are absolutely terrible at implementing anything like that in a way that makes it interesting.
>dude lmao what if we spawned enemes in faster
>dude lmao what if you got less coins
>dude lmao what if we give bosses super armor that makes glass cannon runs shit
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>>416639891
Kilburn is a fucking retard then. HEALTH is his problem. Just let him fucking take health upgrades and let him start with penny tears. Or just the health.
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>>416636925
It's not called Found Page you know.
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>>416639317
Judas: Most consistent damage without a stupid gimmick.
Isaac: D6 is busted, but fun. Starts with a bomb.
Cain: Good damage, no retarded gimmick.
Eve: Good damage with a retarded but easy to manage gimmick.
Lilith: Strong but annoying to play.
Blue Baby: Good damage with an annoying but not too hard to deal with gimmick.
Samson: Unless you have a blood donation machine or similar, he basically just rewards bad play.
Lost: Starting with flight is kind of neat and he beats the rest by having any fucking flavor at all.
Maggy: Boring, moving slow is such a shit gimmick they just gave her a speed up pill on start now.
Lazarus: Isaac but ginger
Apollyon: Isaac but he has the void
Keeper: Who the fuck thought this was a good idea, he's either no fun or god with no inbetween.
Forgotten: Feels like a cheat character, melee trivialises antything that rushes you and sitting behind the boner as the Soul trivializes half of what remains.
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>>416640951
CAREER
SUICIDE
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>>416640951
CAREER SUICIDE
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>>416642476
Oh forgot Azazel. He's dead last. Cheat character.
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>>416637471
It's all Isaac's delusions. The Angels are a lesser opponent on his way to Mega Satan. The angel room items don't hurt Isaac and help protect him. If you believe God has any actual agency in the story of BoI then the Bible knocking Mom out is basically divine intervention because his mother is wrong.
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>>416639891

>faster
>higher max health
>Free or reduced cost devil deals e.g. all devil deals cost 1 coin of health that can be regained by picking up coins on the next floor but leave you vulnerable at the start of the floor
>Head of the Keeper and/or Greed's Gullet as starting items.

Pick one, maybe two, and he'd be much more playable.
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>>416642861
Oh no, I know it's all in Isaac's head. God doesn't have much of a presence in the story itself, beyond being a faceless and unknowable force of judgement (And the closest thing to him are just Angels). The bible killing mom is what Isaac WISHES would happen in his make-believe story, but remember that scene is immediately followed by his mother barging into his room in real life. His mother is depicted as a crazed monster, and if God were to be an actual being of justice, then God would stop his mother's child abuse. But he doesn't in reality. But wait, in the story Isaac makes up, isn't God the one who tells Mom to kill Isaac in the first place? In Isaac's eyes, why would God both directly cause and stop the conflict of this scenario? This theme of confusion is continually reflected throughout the game and even in the gameplay, Angel and Devil offerings presented as alternate options.

Also the image in the previous post is actually official artwork. When Ed showed it off on the blog he said that the art "summed up the themes/story of the game better than any written description could." Make of that what you will.
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>>416639317
>Top tier
Azazel, Forgotten, Isaac, Judas
>High tier
???, Cain, Apollyon
>Mid tier
Samson, Lilith, Lazarus, Eve
>Low tier
Maggy
>90% of items are unusable tier but you can be god sometimes
Lost
>90% of items are unusable but you're even worse
Keeper

Lost isn't bad but it's fucking retarded how most of the items are just garbage on him. Like shit, I don't even want to pick up the 7 Seals since the War familiar can spawn explosive locusts right next to you. Same applies to Monster Manuel, Bob's brain etc. Even the starting D4 is bad since it rerolls the Holy Mantle.
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>>416644942
>God Tier
Jacob & Esau
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>>416627456
I love to roll for angel rooms just because Godhead is just that fucking good.
I've had so many stupid pingpong builds turn into some crazy stacking synergies with it
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>>416645707
>KING OF THE HEAVENS tier
old man keeper
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>>416644942
>??? is above Lilith
Throw him in Low.
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>>416629563
delet
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>>416630672
I mean every boss drops a treasure pool item.
Unless your first boss is delirium because fuck you
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>>416645707
>Trash fire tier
Edith
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>>416645991
edmund didn't use that design out of spite I swear
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>>416626428
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>>416633568
You can take the item at the end of a floor to get the first reward for free. That's what they were thinking.
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>>416636341
Rebirth was the best in terms of balance (outside the Lost), Afterbirth was the the most fun (outside Keeper), Afterbirth+ was awful until booster pack 5 which fixed most of the issues and now it's worth its weight as DLC.
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>>416639891
What if Keeper dropped money every time he took damage? Does that solve the health problem in a way that's interesting?
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>>416637004
Dark Bum is in treasure room pool too.
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>>416641697
>>416639891

His issue is that a lot of items don't work on him either because he doesn't accept them

I would fix him by giving him greed gullet, and then turning the health upgrades and picks ups into coins.

>1 health upgrade=15 coins, half heart=1 coin, full heart 3 coins, black/soul health=6 coins
>make every single thing cost coins now
>1 heart devil deal=15 coins
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>>416627118
How I get the stats to show up like that? Is it an afterbirth only thing?
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470 hours played since day 1. I have never once held R.

Ask me anything.
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Anyone here watch Tearofgrace?
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>>416649856
how do you plan on getting the cheevo that requires you to do so?
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>>416649982
"No!"
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>>416627456
It's a reflex from when angel rooms were shit.
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Is it just me or is The Matriarch utter bullshit?
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>didn't unlock Godhead when The Lost could be exploited

FUCK GREEDIER MODE
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>>416626428
I've seen Holy Light a few times. Always makes me happy
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posting best character
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>>416649856
why do you like eating shards of glass?
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>>416649856
Only time i ever felt the need to press R was greedier mode and keeper.

Old greedier was basically impossible to beat unless you got damage items.
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>>416629893
Remember the Delirium girl that looked like she was made of cum?
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>>416633836
You can literally mod in the original OST with Afterbirth+ though you should do that with Antibirth instead since that has the best soundtrack.
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>>416626242
Installed anti-birth when it first came out. However, I still need to unlock stuff. Where the hell do I even start? I'm not sure how to post my 'progress' for tips on what to make my goal but pic related.
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>>416650836
I've only fought it twice and both times I had OP or extremely good runs. Seems to me like there's too much shit flying everywhere. You have the boss itself firing chubber shots while spawning chargers and fistuloids. then once it's health is low enough it starts spawning fistulas until it "dies" and spawns fucking chub.
I understand they wanted to incorporate all the different types of maggot enemies into one boss but it just turns into a clusterfuck
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>>416636586
>mfw using a mod that makes Greedier mode less of a pain
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>>416649392
AB+
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pirated the game a few days ago and just now unlocked the negative for the dark room,what am i in for? anyone have any good tips?
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>>416651287
How did Greedier get nerfed?
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>>416649879
I do
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>>416652975
Waves are slower and easier i think.
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>>416626242
Why are spiders the hardest enemy in the game?
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>>416653278
psuedo-random movement, never know if they're gonna charge you or not
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>>416653278
Small and erratic. Usually lots of them
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>>416654034
that and they're all fast regardless of what type of spider, fuck the bomb ones
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>>416652773
Just keep playing for a while. Don't look into guides until you're going for completion.
Just enjoy the game.
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>>416653278
My favorites are the leaping spiders who can just cruise missile through the room if they desire so, it’s practically impossible to avoid if they happen to leap onto you while doing that.
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>>416653278
>Jumping spiders capable of instantly charging you from halfway across the dimension
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>>416654034
I've learned spider AI and know when they'll charge.
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How come every other boss that leaps up into the air and drops down on you has a clear tell of when they're about to do it, as well as a delay on when they drop, making it possible to move away to a safer position, all while this fucking retarded asshole can jump up and smash down before you even have the chance to react?
Why is this acceptable? Even if you're a clairvoyant shit, you still won't be able to move to the side unless you have some speed ups. What the fuck?
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>>416655980
Just keep moving.
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>>416655980
I don’t even try to make any specific dodge moves against him, I just keep moving all the damn time so that he can’t catch me off-guard. Same thing goes with Adversary’s brimstones, they always hit me unless I’m already moving around him like a loon.
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>>416639891
Either
1. Starts with Steam Sale
or
2. Steam Sale gives Keeper specifically double tears like 20/20




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