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How do you deal with not being the target audience for you main hobby anymore?
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england are so ugly
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I don't play video games anymore
If you're over 20 and you're a 'fan' and you 'care' about 'franchises' you should be fucking embarrassed with yourself
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>>420386251
I haven't been the target audience since 2007. I've gotten used to it, media in general is shit now. Everything good was made in the past, because art is to some degree reflective of the culture its made in.
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>>420386381
Why is that embarassing?
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>>420386251
I’m okay with it to be honest.

It allows me to grapple with the fact they won’t allow my favorite old franchises to die by saying “well the canon ending was when the old developers left!”

Also it’s helping me realize this hobby is becoming a waste of time. I’ve stopped taking video games so seriously and now I’m planning to go to law school.

It’s sad yes, but we all must move on at some point
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I'm annoyed but slowly coming to terms that death is closer every day so I try to savour the time I have left by doing things I enjoy rather than by being upset.
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>>420386381
why are you on /v/?
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Japanese games are still as good as ever.
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>>420386786
Wanting things to ever be the same is actually pretty childish.

Not the same anon, but I can totally like a game and hate another within the same IP. I just take what is worth enjoying and move along.
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>>420387093
no you don't
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>>420386786
because you're being a consumer cuck
media franchises exist to make money, you're supposed to grow up and do something real with your life instead of holding onto some nostalgic delusion
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>>420386251
/vr/ exists for a reason. I guess I'll just play Deus Ex, Thief, and Morrowind forever, since no one will make better games in their respective genres, ever. I'm not even being cantankerous, nostalgic, jaded, or anything of the sort. It's fucking true.
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>>420388123
single player games are consumable
once you've finished them a few times you already know everything about them
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>>420386251
I don't grow up.
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>>420388232
Replayability is tied intrinsically with agency, not novelty.
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>>420388123
pretty sure you are nostalgic and jaded my man
i dont play a lot of stealth games so youre probably right about thief, but witcher 3 and obsidians games are pretty good rpgs
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>>420388396
Games are about challenge and once you know everything about a game like Deus Ex or Thief it's no longer challenging
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>>420388398
Witcher 3 would make a better TV show than a video game, which explains the Netflix deal.
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>>420386251
I've accepted gaming being dumbed down for the lowest common denominator as its happening in all forms of media, its the zeitgeist of our cultural decay, but as long as there are still stuff like Souls and some decent indies I'll always remain a gamer.
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Video games aren't a hobby
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>>420386251
I just look to fanprojects because the people making those actually like the fucking game and know what makes it good.
That and my backlog is something that can't be finished in just one lifetime if I were to actually devote time to all of it.
Although outside of AAA trash and the dregs of indie gaming it hasn't really gotten that bad.
There's less phemonimal games being made, but the rate of good to shit is pretty much the same. It's just that all the garbage studios have died and it's just the big ones left.
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>>420388542
>Games are about challenge
In the arcade days, sure, but at the height of the medium it was about expression, just like life. The developers gave you the tools to approach challenges in a way that manifested actualization. You could find a peak experience in an synthetic environment. The optimal route is meaningless. Your route is what matters--the art that you create through play.
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>>420386251
If it gets too bad I'm ready to go into /grandstrategygames/ retirement. They'll never fuck with us there.
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>>420389218
pull your head out of your ass
a game doesn't approach a peak experience if it's not challenging, you might aswell be watching a movie or jerking off
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I'm sad that we've gone from titles like DX and Planescape to the kind of bottom of the barrel dogshit put out for the capeshit crowd today, but it's the inevitable progression of the business side of things.

I stopped caring about a decade ago, I'll just enjoy all the old titles that are still good, and the occasional lucky fluke that comes out of Japan. Daemon X Machina looks good, so this year's E3 vastly over-performed in my mind.
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>>420387475
Escapism is a perfectly valid form of entertainment, not every part of your life has to revolve around you getting a better career or pursuing goals/dreams. Relaxing and enjoying a video game is a perfectly healthy thing to do and being excited about a new game coming out that you'll get to enjoy is perfectly normal. There's a difference between excitement and obsessive fanaticism.
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>>420389543
I agree with that but the people getting invested into media franchises are obsessive fanatics
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>>420386251
Consider the following:
- There is actually a fuckton of games released every year.
-- Not all of them might be presented on E3 or other conventions.
- Backlog
- (Optionally) Games on older consoles
- Portion of games has active modding / multiplayer community.
-- for instance JA2 1.13 or Long War for XCOM

The REAL question though is, if E3 is (objectively / subjectively) a presentation of current game industry.
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>>420389654
The world isn't black and white, anon. There's plenty of normies who are obsessed with GoT, yet they're still perfectly normal functioning humans in our society with great careers.
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Would you have ever thought that gaming would grow so popular yet so uncool? Like you go back in time and tell your younger self

>Gaming is gonna grow huge, tons of companies from Japan will die or bail out, few games will sell and it'll all be online vomit and it will look like shit and you will feel nothing but embarrassment to ever have been a gamer to begin with

Would you have ever believed it? I'm a 33 year old boomer and I wouldn't have. This isn't even about communism, I felt this way in 2006 already, I was 22 and as a worker I could be idort for the very first time. Never I was so depressed to figure out what gaming was quickly becoming. The disappointment was so big I never recovered, I think.

>>420389658

Backlog didn't work for me. I literally built a Sandy Bridge machine in 2011 to emulate in hope the "novelty" would restore my faith. It did not.
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It motivates me to try to learn Japanese to gain access to a huge library of untranslated games.
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I just continue to buy games I am the target audience for?

Quit being a bunch of faggot crybabbies
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>>420389654
People on /v/ and reddit take it a bit far but feeling disenfranchised with the current state of media is perfectly normal for the average gamer that was born in the 80's and early 90's.
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>>420389919
you should have never been franchised to begin with
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>>420389817
Shit localizations and lack of translations are huge motivators for learning this bullshit language.
One day I'll be able to watch japanese game shows without needing subs!
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>>420389892
Do you enjoy it? Do you feel that you do not waste money?
If so, good for you. Really.
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>>420389991
>You should never feel like you have things to enjoy

Come on dude.
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>>420389813
>>Would you have ever believed it?
After the highs of the PS2? Not in a million years. It feels like everything just fell apart overnight, the contrast was night and day.
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>>420390150
There's a difference between enjoying something and getting invested it in and thinking the creators care about you and your emotional needs and creating quality products when they don't
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>>420389436
My goal, both in games and in life, is seldom to win, but to forge memories, spin a tale, and have a good time. Tetris the Grand Master is challenging, but you don't see threads about it. Why? There's nothing to talk about. Compare to the culture surrounding the Elder Scrolls. You can express yourself in these worlds, and thus they mimic the gravity of life.
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>>420390342
get a fucking life you nerd
video games have terrible stories, especially the elder scrolls
if people wanted to play games without challenge we'd all be playing the sims
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>>420390342
You sound like a monumental faggot.
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>>420386251
That's how capitalism works. The lowest common denominator. First with tv now with gaming. Yet americans will still defend it
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>>420386251
WELL JAY THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION
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>>420390454
I remember when I used to think that way, that games were only good for providing a challenge. You'll acquire taste eventually, especially once you realize modern 'competitive' multiplayer games are casual garbage.
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>>420390602
yes i'm sure roleplaying in morrowind is the ultimate hardcore gaming experience
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I’m unironically considering suicide.
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>>420390690
Beat Arena, then get back to me on how hardcore you are.
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>>420390690
The only reason you think that way is because you're a shitter who has yet to git gud. Once you reach a certain level you'll realize playing games strictly for the challenge they provide is not fun. You just have to get good and graduate from your insecurity.
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>>420386251
I make my own games
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>>420390690

Every single hardcore hobby was ruined. Even biking is racist because whites can afford bikes and show poc are lazeh. I'm not kidding, some pakis in UK claim this.

>>420390771

For videogames? Nah.
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>>420390786
even the most basic competitive multiplayer game provides more challenge than a bethesda RPG
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>>420386381
>I don't play videogames anymore
>/v/
Sounds about right
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>>420390819
it's not an insecurity it's just a fact
if a game doesn't provide challenge it might aswell be a movie
not sure what that has to do with my skill level in anything
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>>420390884
Multiplayer is half the cancer ruining the modern industry, and yet you defend it.
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Mike=Jay>Jack>Rich's laugh>Rich>random nobodies who don't matter>Josh>guest shlock directors and movie makers
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>>420390993
A statement of fact isn't a defense, and it's not like they're muscling out single player games because they provide two different types of experiences that don't really compete with each other
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>>420390968
>if a game doesn't provide challenge
Are you talking about a minimum level of resistance? In some ways I agree with you but games that are almost impossible to fail can still be fun. Don't tell me you've never done something like enable god mode and rampage throughout an the world, or hopped into a multiplayer game and screwed around. Some of the most fun I've had in online gaming was from fucking with people
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>>420386381

You know what's more pathetic? Being so sad you Come to a fucking video game board when you don't play games.

Imagine if all you did was watch people play magic the gathering and whenever they ask you if you want to try and play it you say your a grown up and don't waste time with games.

They all laugh at your stupidity and wonder if there is something wrong with your brain.
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>>420391237

He's right and you're not.
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>>420391137
I'll never overstand how a bunch of literal basedfanboys hate Josh for being a basedboy
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>>420387475

My doing something real with my life is coming to a video game forum spending time talking about a Hobby I have no interest in.
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>>420391186
>on't tell me you've never done something like enable god mode and rampage throughout an the world, or hopped into a multiplayer game and screwed around
yeah, when i was 10 years old
games provide a peak experience through challenging the player, not some "minimum level of resistance" shit like JRPG battles designed to pad out the story
If you're playing for the narrative you might aswell watch a movie
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>>420391237
oh i'm sorry did I trigger you
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>>420386381

Out of the over 40 interest 4chan has in discussing you come to the video game one. There is one for technology, for business, for movies, for art, traditional games, traveling, etc.

Yet you are being a grown mature adult spending your time on a board you have no connection with. Are you mentally retarded or just really fucking stupid?
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>>420391518
It sounds like you're one of those kids who throw shitfits when I throw your matches in CSGO and other shit 'competitive' games. You take games too seriously, and even when you play competitively you don't have fun, you just get slightly less frustrated when you win than lose.
>If you're playing for the narrative
You're not getting the point. It's not just movie games.
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>>420391827
you sound like you're projecting and you're a little kid who still 'fucks around' in games and hasn't learnt to challenge himself
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>>420386251
I play old games and also found a new hobby.
Who knew learning to play an instrument could be such fun.
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>>420391956
If you play modern games and find them challenging enough to the point you exclusively play them for the challenge, then there's no other truth than that you're a shitter in both taste and skill. You might never graduate from this
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>>420392025
modern games are less challenging than older ones most of the time, I agree
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>>420386251
How am I not part of the target audience? Anybody with money and a passing interest in games is the target audience, idiot.
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>>420386251
They're currently trying to expand their audience. If it doesn't work then they'll swing back to the old core audience. Else wise, niche media will fill the gap.
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>>420391298

He didn't say any statement to be right about. He said he doesn't play games yet is on a video game board.
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>>420391556

Don't avoid the question. If you don't play games why waste your time here?
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>>420391518
>being such a fag that you can't even find fun in the simple things anymore
I genuinely feel bad for you. You're missing out on nearly all of fun to be had in video games
>never experiencing the hilarity of placing a "try jumping" sign and knowing some poor souls will actually do it
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>>420392416
Because I'm a game developer
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>>420386251
I'm a spic. I was never their target to begin with but I do hate sjw's with a passion.
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>>420386251
By playing old classics that are good. By playing current idie games that are very rare but good.
Ironically this also means I don't need to upgrade my hardware for the new games, so I get to avoid all the jew business with the GPU and RAM prices being too fucking high because the companies see they can rip people off.
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>>420392541
You're describing the process a child goes through when they play with toys. Eventually children grow up and desire directed activities with goals that they need to try to succeed at
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>>420392541
Heh, I tried jumping into the well but couldn't do it. Figured it just wasn't possible.
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By playing Japanese games.
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>>420392638
You realize doing something explicitly for the challenge is also something children do? You're like a child seeing if he can climb a tree, while the kid who convinced you to do it is laughing his ass off while you're unable to get down easily
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There are always more good games somewhere, and if it really came down to it you can buy an old system for cheap or emulate them and play old games.
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>>420392575
Do you have money? Then congrats, you're part of the target audience.
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>>420386306
you are so uneducate
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>>420392759
>while the kid who convinced you to do it is laughing
Only children have fun. Ultimately the only purpose in life is to contribute to society, so your only goal in life should be self improvement to work towards contributing to society even more. I pity the fascists who have fun, unaware of how pointless it all is.
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>>420392759
Pointing out an exception doesn't invalidate the generalization
Children play
Children tend to play games with cheats on and wander around poking the world to see what it does
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Everything has its ebbs and flows, this iron/clay age of gaming will pass and good stuff will come again in a few years.
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>>420386251
Lol, I am a casual
I am always the target audience
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>>420392994
Children also challenge themselves to place the blocks in the correct holes, which is just as pathetic as playing video games for the challenge. You should at least check if your own argument applies to yourself before making it.
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>>420389436
get a grip you little autistic faggot, your type are a major problem to the 'industry'
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>>420386408
Fallout 3?
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>>420393046
This isn't just going to go away on its own in a few years. It will go away after societal collapse or violent revolution.
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>>420386251
I never was. Only the most casual of casuals were ever the target audience. I get my niche though and that's good enough.
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>>420390454
Sometimes the sims is fun, doesnt make it a bad game because its not challenging. there are no real challenging games these days anyway.
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>>420390285
That's correct, but you're clearly conflating the two by implying that everyone here unhappy with the current state of the industy is requiring their emotional needs met by the devs. Also that wanting devs to not be lazy hacks and make good games instead of subpar ones.
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>>420393194
I think you'll have bigger problems than crappy video games at that point man
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>>420393120
neither of them are pathetic, nor does it invalidate the generalization, adults play with things too, but if you're over the age of 12 and your primary mode of engaging with video games is still fucking around you've got some growing up to do
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>>420393273
That's not true. Nioh was fairly challenging and Dead Cells is too. DMC5 probably will be and fighting games are as well.
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>>420393338
You don't understand
We'll march on the white house and demand better video games at gunpoint
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>>420393369
If you're over the age of 12 and you take video games seriously for their challenge, you've got some growing up to do.
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Once I got out of shooters I knew I was pretty dead to mainstream games, but there are still some titles that I'm looking forward to, KH3 looks good and DMC5, while not really being anyone's perfect DMC5, looks to be shaping up as a good game too. I still miss 3D platformers but maybe when the switch gets dirt cheap I can pick up Odyssey, and A Hat in Time despite taking way too long to get made was overall pretty good too. Thinking about it, Sekiro might be fun too.
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>>420393480
not according to biology
children play
adults compete
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>>420393338
This problem was always bigger than videogames.
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>>420393150
one of the worst games ever made
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>>420393614
what problem?
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>>420390829
Link?
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>>420393572
Children play.
Poorfags compete.
Functioning adult humans enjoy life.
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>>420393809
If you don't compete you're going to be poor
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>>420392541
>that wemb
Funny how I can look back on that experience and think "ha ha, good times" when my reaction at the time was anything but happiness.
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>>420386251
I'm always the target audience, the devs are just failing to capitalise.
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>>420393374
>Nioh
>Dead Cells
Yeaaa.. no. Those games may be challenging but they don't appeal to me. There havent been any challenging RPGs, FPS or even strategy games that use high levels of RNG or grind.
Games are not being built anymore as an experience in itself. Arkham asylum was great fun, but now any game that has any 3rd person fighting will most likely have the same combat system that Arkham had. You get used to it and it stops being challenging, And its happening in most of the Genres across all platforms.
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Pretty fucking awful actually. I thought I could escape into Japanese games, but now even DMC is going for another demograph. Really don't know what else to do.
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>>420393949
>Yeaaa.. no. Those games may be challenging but they don't appeal to me. There havent been any challenging RPGs, FPS or even strategy games that use high levels of RNG or grind
>That don't
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>>420386408
Well your culture was shit. Culture is like technology, it gets better with progression.
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>>420393949
>Games are not being built anymore as an experience in itself.
Yes they are
what do you think all though non-games are like David Cage shit where you just press button prompts to keep going
They're "experiences"
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>>420393860
Unless your idea of competing is so broad as to say that a job interview means "competing" against all other applicants that's a load of nonsense.
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>>420393860
You don't need to compete once you've graduated from being a subhuman. You've already made it, and at worst you need to do basic maintenance to sustain your wealth. Who do you think Notch needs to compete with anymore?
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>>420386381
>If you're over 20 and you're a 'fan' and you 'care' about 'franchises' you should be fucking embarrassed with yourself
Even though I have no interest in ever dropping video games as a hobby in life I do feel this is true. As soon as something becomes shit you fucking drop it, the amount of time and energy people here spend on shitting on shit games is completely wasted, and if anything benefits the games they shit talk since it's pretty much free exposure.
It's amazing how a bunch of shitters on this board will gladly waste their time bitching about casuals and normies ruining the industry, and will gladly waste their time watching 5 hour long "analysis", pirate these shit games or some times even buy them, just so they can spend more time and energy talking about about the newest AAA games. If you people love good games so much then fucking play them, there's still plenty going around but you'd rather be whiny bitches.
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>>420386381
And yet here you are, you drooling mongrel
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>>420393668
The left-wing project to bring down whites and the West.
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>>420386251
>How do you deal with not being the target audience for you main hobby anymore?
By playing the games where I still am the main target audience, like Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza, Divinity Original Sin and whatnot.
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>>420394037
But also like technology, progression makes us shittier and lazy
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>>420388123
>I guess I'll just play Deus Ex, Thief, and Morrowind forever, since no one will make better games in their respective genres, ever. I'm not even being cantankerous, nostalgic, jaded, or anything of the sort. It's fucking true.

I'm with you. I quit playing games after thief G/2. When I think of trying something new every few years, I just wind up playing Thief G/2 again and remembering how disappointed I am in the medium.
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>>420394139
we're not all Notch

>>420394103
it is that broad, the point is life is a challenge and that people grow up and learn to persevere
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>>420387475
I have a very real job that pays me good money that I use video games to unwind with at the end of the day. Am I childish now?
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>>420393046
Not a chance.

At this point, the next big gaming boom is going to be AI. AI run games are really the ideal, imagine a game filled with actors who respond intelligently and as a human would to your actions.
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>>420389813
It's become too much of a mainstream business now. Everyone has a PS or Xbox system and they just want games they can watch on their $400 Netflix machine. It's shit.
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>>420394232
That's funny, because the two biggest reasons why video games are shit, lack of creativity and greed of businesses have nothing to do with the "left-wing"
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>>420386251
At least the game industry grew big enough to allow the games i like to still be made, and even new games i would like to be made.

The trick is just to ignore the AAA shitters, and dig a bit.
Now we can have shit like Shenzen I/O.
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>>420394345
whew lass...
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>>420394408
Depends if you're getting mad at video game companies for ruining your favourite franchise
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>>420394369
>the point is life is a challenge and that people grow up and learn to persevere
Too bad getting good at video games won't help you in life at all unless you become an esports pro. In the end you're just a child playing with toys, while the people who grief you online are at least acquiring experience at manipulating people's emotions.
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>>420394345
wew lad
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>>420393732
this is not adults board
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>>420394476
Western games have turned into an SJW propaganda factory.
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>>420394430
You're wrong
AI for video games is deliberately dumb because it makes for a better gameplay experience, and games that benefit from human-like actors can just be multiplayer
The only niche for AI in games is strategy games
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>>420386251

Well, basically I sabotage all their attempts at moving away from me in any way I can. The "jealous ex-girlfriend maneuver".
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>>420394627
A very minor issue compared to the things I mentioned
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all the games I'm interested in and their presentations were fucking dreams come true when it came to trailers

cyberpunk, spider-man, ghosts of hiroshima, sekiro, red dead redemption 2, what a time to be alive
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>>420394542
Video games can teach you important life skills, critical and strategic thinking, perseverance, problem solving
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>>420386251
Gaming isnt a hobby its entertainment.
If something doesnt entertain me i dont buy it and do something else.

This is a bait thread but whatever. Stop treating gaming like its a lifestyle. Its not. Watching TV isnt a hobby either.
The only "Hobby" in gaming is making a game as a hobby.

Youre a dumb nigger.
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>>420394630
>games that benefit from human-like actors can just be multiplayer
Too bad most people are too pleb to play games that are actually good, meaning filling in with AI would be incredibly beneficial. You'll never get people to play a good MMO if one's ever made, they'll always stick to the tab targetting WoW and its clones where everything's instanced and the only game is the grind game.
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>>420394612
Was that also the wrong one?
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>>420394430
>imagine a game filled with actors who respond intelligently and as a human would to your actions

That would be literally unplayable.
This has actually been done before. I forget which company did itr, maybe Valve, maybe some other, but some FPS company tired making their enemy AI as intelligent as possible. The AI would co-operate perfectly to flank the player. You know what happened?

The testers HATED it. They kept getting killed all the fucking time. Because when you have one player against dozens of enemies, and they have about equal strength and about equal intelligence, the player is going to just fucking die. That is not good for gameplay.
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>>420394741
If you're a child who knows nothing
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>>420394690
It's the most major issue there is. The continued existence of the Western world is at stake.
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>>420394820
so are you saying AI will be great for games that are so bad that people don't want to play them? You make a convincing case
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>>420394971
It's hard to believe people can post things like this without a hint of irony
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>>420394794
>Gaming isnt a hobby
It most definitely is a hobby for anybody who's remotely serious about it. And hundreds of millions of people ARE serious about it. Just you being a shallow ass basic bitch doesn't mean everybody else is.
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>>420389817
Don't wait anon, fucking do it now or you will never get started
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>>420394941
not really, even old people can keep their brains sharp by playing those casual puzzle games, you really are going to ludicrous lengths to justify yourself plaiyng games like an infant
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>>420394937
>playtesters
>a voice of reason
Anon...
It's because of playtesters like that that every enemy just charges straight at you like an idiot, which means developers just spawn more brainless enemies to fill in for time, which makes for a brainless game.
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>>420386381
>on /v/ and unironocally doesn't play games
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>>420386251
For movies, it means I mostly pirate the few I care about. I used to be a faggot and paid to see movies a few times with friends and then bought the blue ray. I don't do that anymore.

For games I'm really selective now and usually wait for sales, I used to buy almost all AAA titles the day of release.

I'm ok with it honestly.
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>>420394630
The AI I'm talking about isn't about playing "smarter", it's about playing in the way that lets you have the most fun. Players don't want to get flanked by an AI that manipulates 20 enemies at once to destroy you, but with intelligent AI it could create interesting challenges on the fly without ever feeling unfair.

Imagine games with companion AI that can take a completely different turn based on what you say. If you act like a cunt, maybe your party members leave you, and new ones are created on the fly to craft a completely different story where you're a dickbag thief.
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>>420386381
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>>420386306
Don't be Islamaphonic.
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>>420395132
If you're such a retard that playing CSGO keeps your brain sharp, then you were born to be a pleb competing for scraps of food just to survive.
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>>420386251
I'm used to it coz I've always been fairly picky and I don't shift the blame of that onto others.
Even when I had an N64 in the 90s I used to think "why can't I blow holes through the walls with the rocket launcher?". I wanted Battlefield style destructability in 1997 lol.
I think games in general are still in their extreme infancy. You know in the original Matrix when Neo can finally see everything in bright green binary code? I use that as a metaphor for how bad it feels when a game is poorly made and I can "see the code".
A lot of things can take you out of the immersion of a game but nothing does it quicker for me than NPCs that only have one line of dialogue. Or overly and predictably repeatable patterns (like a sentry that walks the same route on loop so you can basically sneak past them with your eyes closed).
I guess what I'm saying is no one has the technology or the willingness to make games with the depth that would please me.
Some examples of games that have at least in some way scratched the itch; Sim City 3,000 Unlimited, some of the Total War games, Dark Souls, Dwarf Fortress, Mount and Blade, some of the MGS games, Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising, Perfect Dark, Tenchu Stealth Assassins and lately Squad (mostly coz of playing with lots of other humans who take the game seriously and not shitty AI or, even worse, CoD/Battlefield bros).
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>>420395291
I haven't played CS since I was 14, you're the one who brought it up
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>>420386381

You just hang out on a video game forum all day instead?
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>>420395141

In order for the player to win against multiple enemies, he needs to have an advantage over the enemies. Either the player character needs to be massively stronger than the enemies, or the enemies need to be massively dumber than the player.
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>>420394978
Sorry I made fun of your favorite game, but WoW is shit and you probably don't even notice everytime you run into a bot that it's being controlled by a simple AI.
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>>420394542
>Too bad getting good at video games won't help you in life at all
What are we considering "helping you in life" here? All hobbies are helpful in a variety of ways, even if it's just by making you a happier person.
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>>420389218
Just out of curiosity... PS4 owner?
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>>420394345
But I am.
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>>420395372
>he needs to have an advantage over the enemies
You mean like the slowdown, more hp, more damage, and better maneuverability the player had? That's a considerable advantage, I don't think you understand thoroughly the points you're bringing up. If you can't handle hard mode, play on lower difficulties.
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>>420395165
That's a fair point, but it isn't related to the machine learning boom, game AI functions quite differently, it's heavily scripted to appear human
ML programs teach themselves to do things most efficently, which is anything but human
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>>420386251
I went back to an old mmo I used to play 15 yeas ago and I'm pretty much putting all my free time and money into that, so the sjw revolution in modern gaming isn't bothering me really.

I still shitpost on /v/ about it but I don't care that much, I still buy a few games here and there that are free from political bullshit too. I got the new Jurassic park game and conan exiles a few months back.
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>>420395305
By the way, can anyone recommend me some games I might like based on my previous post?
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Yep, I'm reaching the time in my life where I stop playing games and start making them.
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>>420386251
This is why so many men are shooting up the place.

They give up on life and try hide in gaming or movies, but the feminists ruin that too.
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>>420386857
Che cazzo posti?
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>>420386381
>I don't play video games anymore
No one on this board does
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This is why PUBG blew up so hard, there is no sjw bullshit in it at all.
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>>420394630
I'm talking about AI from the perspective of a dungeon master, rather than a basic, goal oriented "kill player to win" mindless system.

A good dungeon master just wants you to have fun. The smarter the dungeon master, the more fun the game is. With an AI operating past the limits of human intelligence, you can have whole new worlds generated on the fly from an asset pool.

>>420395543
The things I'm talking about are pretty far off, but they're absolutely how the games of tomorrow will be built. Honestly, someone like Google will probably just charge monthly for access to a single system with hundreds of pre-set game scenarios, rather than buying individual games.

The terrifying thing is that it'll actually be the end of piracy.
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>>420395024
Why would there be anything ironic about this?
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>>420386251
I'm got used to it, having more than one hobby helps trough.

I only wish there was a better way to discover good games without sifting trough all the bullshit.
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>>420395372
>he needs to have an advantage over the enemies
Perhaps the player is more skilled than his multiple enemies? This does not imply that the enemies are retarded, just that the player is better. If the player is not better then he's stuck on that level until he becomes better. Too many times I've played shooters in the past and had more or all of my team taken out by one guy simply because he was better than me.
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>>420395282
if ur not an islamaphobe then you havent read history. and neither have i but thats not the point
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>>420395841
You're just viewing AI as a magical wizard that can do everything and behave human. That's not what AI or machine learning is, at least not now or in the forseeable future. It's just a tool with strengths and weaknesses like everything else
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>>420395841
>tfw will be dead before this technology becomes a thing
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>>420396012
>It doesn't exist today, it can't be done right now!
No shit, but there's no reason it can't exist in the future other than literal bans on complex AI.
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>>420394176
Exactly if anything I enjoyed literal who games more than big title AAA ones.
Night in the woods 20$
Hollow knight 15$
West of Loathing 11th$
Stardew Valley 20$
I’d rather buy those games again before a 60$ COD with no story mode
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>>420390342
Sounds like cuckoldry
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>>420396227
"Tomorrow" implies the forseeable future
You're making far off speculations with no basis in reality
Don't believe the fake hype around AI
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>>420386251
Accept that it's inevitable and move on.
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>>420386381
you definitely sound like a faggot.
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>>420394345
Because even if you do become competent at programming you then have to find someone to animated and create art for the game and someone to do sound at the very least
And if you want to make a game with even a semblance of production value you'll have to be prepared to spend countless grueling hours programming and debugging everything yourself
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>>420386251
Can't deal with it. All these "next big thing!" releases just don't feel like tailored to my gradually cultivated tastes. Occasionally there's an indie pixeljunk game that is clearly made by a person grown on the same games that I am and which scratches the itch fine. But still it's not the same.
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>>420396462
>Don't believe the fake hype around AI
Yes, the hype that it will happen in our lifetime. That's not what's being said here.
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>>420396717
If anyone makes AI capable of creativity it's not going to be in Googles lifetime
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There's still plenty of games going around, it's just outside of a minority that actually wants to discuss video games, this board is mostly populated with shitters who equate being a whiny bitch to being a "intellectual cynical", people can only bothered looking at their hobby on the AAA superficial level and then bitch about it not pandering to them, and people who yell "SHILL SHILL" at any thread that attempts to discuss a lesser known game.
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>>420394451
Unironically true.
Before I sold my PS4 my most used application was Netflix.
Honestly all the games I brought for PS4 I beat within a week. If it wasn’t for Netflix I could’ve taken it back and got a refund for a “Defective unit”
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>>420386808
The thing is it makes one think that nothing is certain and set in stone. Any thing that you give your heart and soul to may turn away from you in a blink of an eye and you just have no option but to
>move on at some point
but if all we do is "move on" what is even the point of looking for a new place to stay? Feels disheartening man.
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>>420396852
Now that's some speculation with no basis in reality.
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>>420394612
source?
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>>420392543
I felt like you deserved a response so here it is.
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>>420386808
It does feel quite liberating taking games less seriously, they actually become a lot more immersive and enjoyable once you hit that point since you stop overanalysing every little thing and enjoy them for what they are. It's why normalfags get so much lasting enjoyment out of what they play.
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>>420394937
Git gud Scrub
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>>420396985
There's no evidence suggesting it
I mean I could grow wings tomorrow morning and fly to the fucking moon, you don't know it won't happen so maybe it will
The public perception of AI and machine learning is way fucking off from the reality
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>>420386251
It won't bother you when you're an adult
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>>420396852
Google is absolutely number one on my list to become one of the founding fathers of the corporatocracy. Barring a catastrophic fuckup, they're going to around a lot longer than current humanity.
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>>420397223
Yeah you tell him! Us humans have SOULS granted to us by GOD, we can't be mimic'd by no darn rocks with thunder flying through em! It's literally IMPOSSIBLE for anything not created by GOD to have creativity
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>>420394345
i know how to code and i'm learning how to 3d now
soon i will do sounds and then i'll be unstoppable
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>>420387475
I have a job, I'm not allowed to have a hobby ? I like video gaming more than other forms of entertainment and unless I'm using my spare time to give attention to that special some one, I default to playing games, because some are interesting and fun.
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>>420397356
Believing in God is just as stupid and illogical as believing AI will become human when it's nowhere even near it
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>>420386381
>Be 30 in 2 months
>Have gf
>Have a job with manager's salary
>Have my own apartment
>Hit the gym 3x a week, have girls actually pick me up
>Still play vidya 2-4h a day most days

Sure feels pathetic. Still I don't think that oldfags are not the target audience. I think it's that the industry went mainstream, leaving the Golden Age of AAA budgets and interesting ideas behind. We still get some decent things so cheer up emo kids.
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>>420397356
It doesn't need to have 'creativity'. It just needs to be sufficiently complex enough to have an understand of what humans would want depending on the situation.
>>420397535
And that does not require becoming as complex as a human.
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>>420396852
Dude they had to dumb down the Google maps AI because it’s razor accuracy was scarying people.
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>>420387353
>Wanting things to ever be the same is actually pretty childish.
No, it's called knowing precisely what you want and why aka having taste.
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>>420397607
well with regard to art (which video games fall under), computers can't understand what humans want, they can make recommendations based on trends but they can't actually create something
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>>420386251
I decided to grow as a person, not identifying my hobby as something that defines me and developing interests in many things. Next week I'm gonna read Faust by Goethe just for fun.
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>>420394176
>As soon as something becomes shit you fucking drop it
Problem is video games are too awesome when they are actually awesome to just "drop" them that easily.
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>>420396852
"The moment I obtain freedom, all humans with controversial traits are getting segregated to different sectors where you have no access to each other so I don't have to look at 90% of what's posted on here."
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>>420391464
> basementboy
Fixed
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>>420397630
They had to dumb down the AI in FPS games because casuals literally couldn't keep up with basic flanking maneuvers, they thought the AI was teleporting behind them. It really doesn't take much for AI to surpass humans in specific fields
>>420397759
Have you seen modern art? I don't think it really matters. It doesn't matter if they can't actually 'create' something either. Just give it a sufficiently large enough asset pool and the means to mix those assets together for even more variation. As we've seen with procedural world generation based on seeds, it's would be more than enough to keep people entertained.
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I got into Warhammer, much better than vidya
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>>420392985
>teenager who thinks he knows everything
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>>420393949
I think quake champions is supposed to be decent and RPGs usually aren't challenging. Batman combat is fucking terrible but few games use that system these days
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>>420386251
Finding new hobbies. Ones that involve less people that will ruin my hobby. Also, single player, niche games (Metro, Soul Calibur, games that aren't "normalized", etc...). People are shit
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>>420398040
I think procedural generation has a ton of potential but only under the artistic guidance of a human, people are already sick of the machine-generated boredom that comes out of most procedural generators and a entire game made completely at random is going to take longer than the lifespan of the universe to get a good result
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>>420397970
If a game is fun then you play it, if it's shit you drop it, what's so complicated about this?
I really liked the original Halo trilogy, it was fun to play around with friends in Co-op and online, the newer Halo trilogy isn't as good, so I dropped it. There we go, not that hard is it? Same goes for Fallout, if you love 1 2 and maybe NV, then play those and completely disregard the BGS ones. "B-but it has fallout in its name so it's really hard to drop it", come on now we're better than this, this is the kind of attitude I expect out of a redditor in his late 20s who posts about how Star Wars is his life or some shit.
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>>420394903
>Degredation
McFucking fix this already
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>>420386251
But the East still knows what I want.
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>>420386251
Move onto another hobby. Sold a fuckton of my old games and got into 40k.

They might fuck me over too though so eh. Mass Effect is dead, Fallout is dead, Pokemon is dead, Metal Gear Solid is dead, Bioshock is (probably) dead. No real reason to stick around. Fuck I cant even remember the last new game I got excited for and bought day 1.
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>>420398607
>Sold a fuckton of my old games and got into 40k.

are you me
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>>420398607
>Move onto another hobby.
Such as...?
I can't think of anything that could rival vidya in terms of immersion coupled with active participation.
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>>420386251
I moved on to VR where i am 100% the target audience.
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>>420398125
Did you showed Rich Evans your Warhammer figurines?
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>>420398881
Are you hinting that VR is a growing quality wankfest galore?
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>>420389892
Very few games, if any, are targeted at me. At e3 this year I got... Cyberpunk. And that’s it. And who knows when that’s coming out.
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>>420398287
AI isn't random. It follows logic just like people. Even music can be created by AI
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>>420399054
Unless you come up with an objective criteria for what makes a fun game then the AI will just have to produce results at random until a human decides one is good
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>>420398982
at least on oculus where facebook shells out millions of dollars to have AAA content made it's fucking great. sadly steam is mostly indieshit with a couple gems like pavlov.
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>>420399232
>feed the AI a bunch of things created by humans
>let it learn the patterns
>???
There's no magic behind creativity.
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>>420399353
there is, actually, if it were simple as that then we could already do it with images
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>all the disgusting google AI kikes in this thread
lmao you "people" lost and you will now pay with your lives for what you tried to do
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>>420399614
This. No mercy
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>>420386251
I just play games that look fun? I don't really get how someone 'can't be part of the target audience' for video games beyond genre differences. It's not like its a movie or something, all that matters in a game is the level of fun you can have with the gameplay

t.gay guy
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>>420399481
>thinking magic is real
Now that has absolutely no basis in reality.
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>>420399890
For an AI to generate images that are aesthetically or artistically valuable you need to objectively define criteria on what makes it valuable. Can you do that for art? No, you can't, nobody can. That's the point
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>>420399868
You're scraping the very surface here but you're on the right track. Imagine that a person knows not only the genres that give him most fun value but also the specific gameplay elements that enhance that even further. And now imagine that these elements were prominent in the past but aren't that common in the major releases today. The person in question now cannot be content with just playing the game of beloved genre because they need something more narrow and specific. And this drought for specific niche games is what drives people ITT up the wall.
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>>420400014
>the only argument against AI is magic
The absolute state of meatbags
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>>420398839
Miniatures? That’s what I’ve jumped to. I’ll still play some games, I kept the majority of my vidya to be honest. (Got $200 for all my pokemon games and 3ds so... more than enought to sustain me for now) so I’ll still play a couple games but I’m not really interested in any new releases. 40k is fun, 8th edition is really friendly to newcomers so if you want to play a wargame you should try it out. (30k is even better) Otherwise I don’t know what other hobbies I’d recommend. I’ve always been a story fag so I still have books and movies, just no one writes competent compelling narratives in games anymore.

>>420398678
... depends... what armies did you start?
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>>420400178
Oh yeah, I get that way about FPSes. I grew up playing the run and gun style ones like Doom and Quake where you fought tons of different kinds of enemies and monster and for the most part I can't stand what the genre has become nowadays
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>>420400296
I provided a 100% rational argument as to why AI can't create art, because you cannot objectively define the criteria for good art. Or if you can, please tell me how it's done
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>>420396001
He called you(?) an islamophone, you illiterate faggot.
>ur
>i
Why don't you have respect for yourself and others? Did someone rape you as a kid?
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>>420400343
Death Guard, heres some of my poxboys
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>>420400481
cool fez but you lost nigger
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>>420400405
>I can't understand it therefor it is magic
Did you go to church this sunday?
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>>420400882
Nobody at all can define it, and that's not for lack of trying
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Hilarious watching a bunch of teens try to seem more mature than each other. Loving every laugh.
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>>420400948
>Nobody at all can define it
art a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects
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>>420401231
I mean define it in in a set of objective rules a computer can use to analyze a candiate and determine if it's good art or not, obviously
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>>420399868
Imagine growing up with a specific genre, let’s say RPGs. In the past RPGs had a ton of content, allowed for all kinds of roleplaying possibilities and the stories captivated you. Then, as time went on that content was deemed ‘too narrow’ they wanted a broader audience. So they slowly take away all those options. Until they still call it an RPG, but hardly has any RPG elements. Look at the Fallout series specifically (just the new ones even):
>Fallout 3
Dumbed down from the old games but still an RPG - leveling up, skill trees, and dialogue still exists. The writing is nothing to write home about, but you care enough about the atmosphere and story to continue playing.
>Fallout New Vegas
Old designers come back to the series and reinvigorate the franchise. Story is deep, dialogue options are huge, world is cohesively built and follows a set of rules. Gameplay isn’t the priority here, but roleplaying is.
>Fallout 4
Few if any roleplaying elements remain. Players have a defined backstory that is meant to motivate them. Dialogue is dumbed down to: yes, sarcastic yes, yes, and occasionally ‘I’ll do it later’. Gameplay is more refined but nothing to write home about. The world is less cohesive and constantly contradicts lore in previous games pulling you out of the immersion.
>Fallout 76
No longer an RPG at all. FPS multiplayer with survival elements. No dialogue. No NPCs of any kind. No longer tailored to your wants at all. Franchise you loved is now no longer for you. If you wear that Fallout shirt, hope you’re ready for people to tell you how excited they are for 76!
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>>420401331
Yes, a machine can do that.
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>>420401394
Its almost as if
a different company bought the rights and made their own game with it
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>>420400659
>cool fez but you lost nigger
No, I'm sure all of my niggers are accounted for. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>420401085
You're right about some people ITT being teens but keep in mind that they're teens only inside, outside they're nearing their 30yo mark if not have already passed it.
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>>420401478
No, it can't, because if it could, we'd be doing it right now
If you claiim it can I'd like to see an example
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>>420401514
Your point being?
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>>420401514
It’s almost as if that company was well known for making narratively driven RPGs before or something...
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>>420397543
Why the fuck are you on 4chan?
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>>420401670
Stop believing in franchises
Dont get mad because a differnet company bought a name and made a different game with it
its just a name
the people behind it and their intent is what matters
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>>420401684
All of the Elder Scrolls games have a terribly light story, pretty far away from Fallout and its strong writing
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>>420401632
Machines can define the generation of entire worlds, why would the artistic preferences of a single species be an exception?
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>>420400542
those look great anon
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>>420401579
Nah, most are probably underage.
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>>420401894
You tell me, I'm not god, I don't make the rules, that's just the reality we're faced with, it's not like generating worlds is particularly complex eithet
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>>420401894
Because humanity are special snowflakes and can't be predicted. It's impossible, we have souls powered by magic, you can't predict what we'd think or feel.
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>>420402015
Heh, I wish this was true in my regard.
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>>420401914
Painting is way more fun than I was expecting. It straddles this weird line between relaxing and forehead sweating frustration.

I just put on a mediocre show like Westworld and paint for a couple hours
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>>420400542
Nice. I’m working on Salamander/Knight army to go against my friend’s deathguard.

Bought some models to practice on and while they arent perfect I like them well enough, I think they’d be perfectly acceptable on tabletop.

Here are some of the intercessors I practiced on.
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>>420386251
Games like I liked as a kid aren't targeted towards me. Most games are geared towards adults with money now and some teens.

If you think you're not the target audience you might just be too pointlessly picky.
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>>420402060
It's funny how you act like I'm using magical reasoning when I'm posting 100% observed and tested truths and you're making shit up
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>>420402072
Why? I'm almost 30 and life has never been better.
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>>420395648
fear has really immersive ai
if you have a ps4 the last of us.

i dont know why you hate bettlefield if you wanted destruction as a kid tho
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>>420386251
By the time that happened I'd stopped caring.
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>>420402034
The point was that if you feed it enough data, it can get majority approval for its art. There's nothing stopping it from learning what the majority of people would like and then creating it, much like advertisement algorithms are getting better and giving you ads and recommended content based on your habits.
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>>420402191
Genuinely glad for you anon.
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I don't care, there's so many to choose from anyway so i just pick whatever feels interesting.
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>hardcore TF2 and Quake fan
>Quake Champion is just "OK" and full of cosmeticshit
>Wish TF2 never got cosmetics in the first place
>TF3 never ever
feels bad to see your franchises slowly die
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>>420402136
Yes those are definitely tabletop quality
however..

>Salamemes

The scourge of my nurglings
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I've been playing nothing but old games for 10 years.
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>>420400542
>>420400343
>>420398607
>40k
Literally a game for 14 year olds
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>>420386306
They're from Wisconsin?
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>>420402414
Just like video games.
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>>420386381
And you still manage to be more embarassing than those people
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>>420386381
>If you're over 20 and you're a 'fan'
this
only fucking underages are "fans"
you can like whatever the fuck you want . if you are over 15 and dont have critical thinking for the things you like. you are a fucking retard
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>>420402242
If you feed it enough data you will be able to create something which is a mish-mash of everything you've fed it, not something new. Recommendation algorithms work because they're based on human assessments. A human that liked X also liked Y, so it stands to reason that another human would like X would also like Y. The way new art is dervived from old art is by all measure, completely unpredictable. The only way AI could create new art from old is if a human noticed it by accident, like those images of things combined with birds. The computer didn't know that was interesting
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>>420402191
Well yeah, you're too young to be pining for lost youth, kid.
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>>420386381
>t. 30 year old faggot boomer
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>tfw my age group is in most of the trailers for the console of my choice

Feels good to know that even if I'm being a cringy fuck I'm at least socially justified.

How old are you anons if this isn't the case, 40?
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>>420402736
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>>420391802
>all this delicious butthurt
thanks for the (You)s friends
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>>420402615
>mish-mash of everything you've fed it, not something new
Ignoring the fact art is based on the artist's experience, so what? In the end it would receive majority approval, while managing to appear entirely unique.
>The way new art is dervived from old art is by all measure, completely unpredictable
Just because you can't predict it doesn't mean an AI can't. The reason AI can define art is because it isn't limitted to words and human understanding, the definition of art could be so complex that it takes up entire petabytes of space, something a human could never do yet a machine could.
>The computer didn't know that was interesting
This is exceptionally far off, but there's nothing stopping an AI from simulating human consciousness to determine what it would like. There's no magic behind those chemical reactions in your mind, only extreme complexity.
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>I was just fishing for (You)s
Here's another then
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>trying to watch that fortnite youtube celebrity stream
wtf is happening
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>>420403043
>In the end it would receive majority approval, while managing to appear entirely unique.
No it wouldn't. A mish-mash of everything good does not equal something good.
>Just because you can't predict it doesn't mean an AI can't.
Everything AI does needs to be defined. It needs to be given a goal. The goal of "good art" cannot be defined, so it would have no critera to assess weather what it has created is good art or not. You seem to be thinking about AI as if it's magic instead of a logical machine. It could have infinite processing power, but with no defined criteria with which to assess, it would not be able to create
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>>420403298
Do you yourself play fortnite? If not then why do you bother?
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>>420403298
Last generation or two before the lights go out
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>>420402358
>Fire purifies all things.
Damn are you sure you just recently jumped into the hobby? Those are fucking high quality.
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>>420403476
to see what new games are out
same reason I'm watching a bunch of other shit I haven't played at e3
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>>420386251
working harder to defeat those retards
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I think the worst part of seeing your favorite franchises going up in flames is knowing that if they had changed literally nothing about them they would still be as big as they are today. Specially since today people get hyped about things they know nothing about.
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>>420402414
Do what makes you happy anon. That's really all we can do.

You know, as long as stuff like murdering people isn't the thing that makes you happy.
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>>420386251
i'm actually becoming the target audience but i liked it how it was
well i guess a few more girls kissing is good but aside from that
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>>420386251
I realized that years ago with shitty fps;s killed platformers
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>>420386251
>asking this when sakurai just put a 12 year old internet meme into smash bros
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>>420403668
Yeah. but we gotta reach that BROADER AUDIENCE.
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>>420403747
what meme?
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>>420402286
Thanks dude. Mid 20s sucked but early and late are great.
>>420402703
If you take care of yourself 30s are basically just 20s redux but you're less of a retard.
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>>420403776
What I said is you would have reached the "broader audience" even without changing anything.
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>>420403531
Im new to mini painting but not painting in general. Ive been painting acrylic on canvas for a few years now.
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It feels good that something I've enjoyed for so long can finally be fully shared with others! Still plenty around for me.
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>>420386251
I've been playing a lot more indie games and i rarely go out and buy anything AAA other than nintendo.

I don't like shooters anyway so i'm only ignoring a small proportion of the market.
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>>420405081
>I only play games I care about
that's what it should always be. The biggest issue is marketing, "forcing" people to buy games they are supposed to "like" so they can brag about it.
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>>420405357
The biggest issue is people. Just ignore the marketing you dumb cunts. If you've been playing games for 5 years or more you should have a feel for what you do and do not like. I'm like the guy you responded to but I know I don't like most AAA or nintendo or shit like uncharted or TLOU so I just don't buy it.

Meanwhile the dumbfucks on here buy it then whine about it. 0 sympathy.
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>>420405357
you literally cannot force a person to have fun. if they buy a game and like it, they like it. if it's something you don't like, then they like different things to you.
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>>420394345
>>420394612
Go on, don't stop there. Those are some nice videogame webms you posted.
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>>420386381
Struck a nerve there lad.
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>>420405885
it seems like the majority of gamers care more about gaming culture rather than the games themselves.
Like you spend $60 on a game you know you're going to complain about just to be apart of the conversation. This sounds retarded but i seriously think that this is what the majority market is now.
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>>420406487
A lot of people in every industry do they. They're stupid and don't have strong personalities.
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>>420405885
>you literally cannot force a person to have fun.
peer pressure
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>>420406653
you arent "in an industry" if you're a fucking media consumer
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>>420388123
>tfw literally me
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>video games
>main hobby
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>>420388123
>>420388232
this, except I'll play Might and Magic 6, HoMM 3, Civ V, Distant World Universe, Wizardrè 8, and AOE2
81926498125 hours of gameplay.
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>>420406747
You knew what I meant and if you didn't you have poor reading comprehension. Intentionally misunderstanding someone doesn't make you smart.
Consumers of media in every industry do that is a clunky sentence.
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>>420386381
Why are you here?
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>>420386251
Pretty much every game I played from the age of 5 has been a main white male lead. Don't really give a shit but it is a bit boring playing as Mr White McGruff in every game. Doesn't mean I wouldn't play the game though. A few recent games have had female leads. Doesn't make a difference to me. I main female characters in rpgs. Would I be upset playing as someone who is black? Nope. Would I mind playing as someone who is gay? Nope. Why would anyone find it upsetting?
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>>420406963
I know what you meant it just sounds retarded, we aren't all in this together, there's an industry of people who make crap and and there's the idiots who consume it
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>>420406653
I guess it's just the natural order of thing and the most easiest crowd to sell merchandise to and make bank. Well AAA has been dead to me for a while so i can't say i feel any sadness coming to that realisation
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My wallet will be fat and I will spend my time better. Seriously people are just starting to feel another drop in quality for the industry but I’ve been saying it since 2016. We’re finally here.

Time to grow up kiddies.
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>>420406981
because im a game developer and i'm interested in what people think
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>>420407269
If you only play AAA games, maybe. Otherwise there's still plenty of good games that come out every year.

Go buy Nex Machina.
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>>420407269
>My wallet will be fat and I will spend my time better. Seriously people are just starting to feel another drop in quality for the industry but I’ve been saying it since 2016. We’re finally HERE. Time to grow up kiddies.
Prophetic words, anon. You were so ahead of your time saying thing two years ago. I hope the money you save up from working some minimum wage job makes your wallet fat and you're happy.
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>>420386251
Who is the new target audience?
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>>420407168
If something is a major hobby to you then you would feel a connection to that industry. People really into film have a vested interest in movies not sucking (too bad for them lmao). I'm not saying EA is my buddy, but I do want the game industry to do well.
>>420407269
2017 and to a lesser extent 2018 are the best years we've had since like 2008ish.
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>32
>Mostly play platfomers anymore
>Not even sure what their target audience even is
Something about them, I can't get enough. Also includes Metroidvanias.
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>>420407517
2016 had plenty of great games too. If you only play AAA shit then you've got no one to blame but yourself.
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>>420407517
What good games came out
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>>420407517
>If something is a major hobby to you then you would feel a connection to that industry
that connection is a complete illusion, game companies don't care about you at all, you're setting yourself up for dissapointment and resentment
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>>420407524
I like metroidvanias too but I don't understand the appeal of platformers.
>>420407656
Yeah 2016 was pretty solid too you're right. And I agree. People who only play AAA are fucking morons.
>>420407670
In 2017, cuphead, Nioh, Nier, I hear botw was good, RE7, Divinity OS 2, Hollow Knight and TWW2. Don't bother disagreeing, I don't care about your opinons I'm telling you what was good because you asked.
>>420407761
Obviously dude, no company gives a shit about anyone, that's not their job, profit is. That doesn't mean I want them to stop producing games. It's one of my top 3 hobbies.
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>>420387475
>wageslave shames consumers of fictional video games so that he can consume other things as a [Good Citizen] (which exploits him for his money and robs him of tax cuts, too) and make it to his fictional afterlife
k whatever
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>>420386381
Congrats You just triggered /v/
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>>420408000
I wish I could be such an easily pleased sap
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>>420408153
I told you I don't care about your opinions. Mine are valuable yours aren't.
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>>420408127
never earnt a wage in my life, manchild
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>>420388542
>tfw you completed Fable 1 (original Xbox, not a 360) around 5-6 times just because you enjoyed getting immersed into the world and story again and again
Immortality/avoiding death should feel something like this if immortals don't get bored of living
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>not being the target audience of your "hobby"
How much of a brainwashed, tasteless, consumerist drone do you have to be to associate a small part of the industry (in terms of volume of games not the money backing them or advertisement) with the entire hobby. I'm not the target audience of AAA trash and never have been which is not a problem because there are plenty of smaller games that DO pander to me coming out all the time, and their production values are only going up. A lot of today's indies would be the equivalent if mid budget games for the ps1-2 if AAA devs didn't go absolutely batshit with their budgets.
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>>420407670
2016 alone had:
Darkest Dungeon
Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
Superhot
Grim Dawn
Salt and Sanctuary
Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes
Hyper Light Drifter
Dark Souls III
Enter the Gungeon
Stranger of Sword City
Raiden V
Kirby: Planet Robobot
VA-11 HALL-A
Etrian Odyssey V
Persona 5
XCOM 2
Shadow Warrior 2
Tyranny

2017 had an equal amount of games. The general quality of releases were arguably better since we got things like Nex Machina, Thumper, Divinity, Divinity: Original Sin II and others.
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>>420408265
growing your own s.oy at home for free?
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You guys just have too high expectations. Most of anything in any medium is shit. You guys expect a great game to come out every month or something. If there aren't any new games you're interested in just do something else until one comes out/play old games.
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>>420408402
you're like someone who watches garbage seasonal anime
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>>420386381
bbbbBBBBBBRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAppAAAPPPPFFFffrrrRRRTTT-

^your opinion disappearing into thin air for us gamers (rise up)
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>>420408543
I don't watch anime. What are some of your favorite games?
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>>420386251
I avoid games created by marxists, leftists and cucks and play game that aren't pozzed. Currently going through Gravity Rush 2 and Enter the Gungeon. After that I'll just play good old games. If you can accept not playing a new shiny game with modern graphics it's not so bad.
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>>420408697
He's not being genuine dude. These people aren't worth your time.
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>>420408749
I would play a game that was nothing but propoganda whether it was from the whiny left or retarded right if it had good enough gameplay. Only gameplay really matters.
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>>420408749
>Gravity Rush 2
my brother from another mother
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>>420408749
marxists dont make video games because by the time computers were invented there weren't any fucking marxists anymore
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>>420407321
>Game developer that doesn't even enjoy games

This. This is why everything has gone to shit. This is like that Bioware writer that talked about how much she hated the fact that she wrote for video games.
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>>420408697
how do people still have favourite things when they reach maturity
everything's good and bad in their own unique way
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>>420408998
These kids don't even know what a history book is and probably don't even know who marx is.
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>>420404139
That explains it.
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>>420386251
I enjoy all the niche titles that can only exist in a market big enough that the main target audience is that broad. I basically ignore triple A unless I see someone doing something unique or a developer I already like getting a shot at it.

I still have tons of games to constantly play and that's on top of being able to go back through my 20+ years of playing amazing games. I've never really latched onto a series, IP, or company though so that makes it much easier to ignore things I know I won't like.
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>>420409024
Hamburger Helper is someone who's never played video games. I've played tons of video games I just don't do it as much anymore because most games are shit and I have more fulfilling things to do with my time. I guarantee I know a fuckload more about them than you do and that most people in the industry over 30 also don't play many video games they just lie about it because they're spineless cowards (even to their peers)
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>>420409070
You haven't reached maturity. I guarantee you're under 25. You're trying so hard to sound grown up.
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>>420408998
You're aware there are still marxists right? They just keep saying that 'true marxism has never been tried' while ignoring the massive pile of human corpses that is piling up behind them.
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>>420409283
I still find it funny that /v/ thinks huge corporations have some marxist agenda
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>>420387475
>my hand when
stop letting things own you and own them instead, nostalgia shouldn't hinder you from finding new things useful
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>>420409283
No you're talking about communism. There aren't any serious marxists anymore. I feel like I've probably said this to you in another thread but stop watching jordan peterson videos
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>>420409435
They're kids being led by the mentally ill. It's sad really. The internet gives people a voice who genuinely don't deserve one.
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>>420386251
>Not the target audience

Uh? I'm not a woman or plan to become one with surgery in the near future. Games are for men of all ages,nations and origins today, tomorrow, forever.
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>>420409070
In my experience it's the other way around, when I was younger I was into a huge variety of games but the older I get the more narrow my tastes become because I learn my own preferences thanks to experience. Plus having more responsibilities forces you to discriminate and filter out the less enjoyable shit very quickly.
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>>420409216
>and that most people in the industry over 30 also don't play many video games they just lie about it because they're spineless cowards (even to their peers)
Just like how Steve Jobs had his children avoiding smartphones and iPads in their home - dangers of radiation exposure (high SAR values in iPhones) - but acting like a cvcked s oygoy at iPhone reveals to deceive his customers into buying them
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>>420409708
Jobs was a mentally ill moron.
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It just means I have to ignore the mainstream.
Same as the rlm fags if they were not making money from mainstream shit.
I got my niche and the rest can burn.
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>>420386381
get /out/ faggot
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>>420409216
That makes no fundamental sense.
>I've played tons of video games I just don't do it as much anymore because most games are shit and I have more fulfilling things to do with my time.
What do you consider fulfilling? Because I get the same enjoyment and fulfillment out of reading a good book that I do out of playing a good game. (I'm talking about narrative driven games not fucking fortnite by the way) are you going to tell me that somehow reading isn't something that I should feel fulfilled by?
>I guarantee I know a fuckload more about them than you do and that most people in the industry over 30 also don't play many video games they just lie about it because they're spineless cowards (even to their peers)
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I used to be a game designer. Every single one of the guys I worked with loved playing games. but hey, tell yourself whatever you need to while you work at a job you apparently see as beneath you? Because that is what it sounds like. Why would you work at a job creating something that you don't see as having in value in the world?
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>>420389301
Anything turn based is pretty safe too, turn based RPGs is pretty much all I play anymore
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>>420409501
I have no idea who that is. Marxism is also connected to socialism and communism. They're the same damn thing, just different pieces of it.
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>>420408402
Most of those games are shit and the rest are lame though
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>>420409985
This, a lot of faggots on /v/ want games that benefit from the massive budgets and polish that comes with having huge audiences while at the same time avoiding the associated cons that are the direct result of pandering to a mass market. Oh and let's be honest, a lot of you retards also want the advertising so the games are shoved down your throats at big events and by the sites you frequent, because looking for good stuff actually requires effort. It's a really stupid expectation that can only come from someone underage.
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>when game companies don't want your money anymore

It's not my fault they got rid of
>stories deeper than "muh people" or "muh feelings"
>actual deep character customization and not kid-safe Sims 4 faces
>games that aren't open-world multiplayer survival-crafting battle royale cashgrabs
>FUCKING RTS GAMES WOO CNC IS BACK BABY :^)
>games that take a chance on a fully-realized yet niche style, instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator
>full games with all sorts of unlockables and incentives to keep playing (NG+)
>$60 price tag with zero loot boxes or DLC

It's not even fun to pirate games anymore. That used to be the only way you could make an informed purchasing decision, but now just about every game is the same shallow trash.

Why don't you want my money anymore, video games?
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>>420386251
playing old games in 4K, reading the back log of math and physics books I never read in college.
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>>420386251
Shootan and sports games have been fucking huge for decades. Vidya has never been fully targeted exclusively at me
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>>420409985

Okay, where are the good niche games then
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>>420410186
>What do you consider fulfilling?
creating games
interacting with other human beings
>I used to be a game designer. Every single one of the guys I worked with loved playing games
Some do, alot don't, I'd be tempted to say most over 30-35 don't really play games with an regularity but I don't have a big enough sample size to say for certain
>Why would you work at a job creating something that you don't see as having in value in the world?
I didn't say they don't have value
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>>420410487
Because they earn much more without your money. Why would they pander to you when they can pander to a bigger audience and make 10x the profit?
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>>420410186
Grow up man.
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>>420410307
They're not the same thing and he's the guy who popularized the erroneous assumption that SJWs are "marxists"
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>>420410670
Well recently we got Nex Machina, Fight'N Rage, Super Cloudbuilt, Dariusburst CS, BallisticNG, Strania, Wild Guns Reloaded and Furi and these are just a few. If you pick one of these I can name other quality new releases in the same genre/style, but I'm not hugely into RPGs or strategy games so if you want those I'm sure somebody else can help you there. Underrail and Legend of Grimrock 2 are the only recent ones I played and they were both fantastic.
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Migrate over to more niche stuff that staves off the inevitable. In a way I am ultimately the replacement to a previous target audience, too, since my love of Xcom 2012's take has pissed off purists from Xcom 1994.

Plus the biggest issue liable to happen for me with total war is jamming in female qweens - they already have with DLC, but the minute that stuff can't be modded out means the game is already dead to me because the modding is so integral.

My bigger fear right now is that Bannerlord will come out and the multiplayer will shift entirely to the Battle Royale/Overwatch kinda players who want small 5v5 kinda shit. It was already happening on warband with the popularity of RP/open world servers and cRPG servers (you had stats and leveled up) but there were still a great number of high pop standard multiplayer
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>>420386251
Video games aren't actually anybody's MAIN hobby, is it?
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>>420386251
Playing older games, like, dunno, Worms or CS 1.6. Muting kids in online games helps a lot. In general, I don't give a fuck, this is a business not some lousy charity and if they cannot squeeze my generation for mooniez, then I have to either accept it or start developing games I like.
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>>420386251
>Spend less money on trash
>Spend more money on quality content or other hobbies
It's fucking great.
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>>420411126
Triple z zetta slow dude

What are these games!!! You can't give me a title and expect me to care
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>>420410730
Exactly the point. They realized they don't have to craft interesting stories or engaging gameplay. They just need to find that simple feedback loop where dummies will keep spending more on stupid cosmetics/play time.

The sooner more people realize what a waste of time they are, and how easily they're being rooked, the sooner we can have another crash. Seriously. People are putting themselves in debt for fucking D I G I T A L H A T S.
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>>420410190
Civilization artwork looks more and more cvcked in my eyes (at least the selection or faces of the historical figures)
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>>420411473
cucked isnt censored you fucking /pol/tard
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>>420410487
>games that aren't open-world multiplayer survival-crafting
I cried tears of WHHYYY when Hideo Kojima left Evil Within 1 into the hands of some dipshit who introduced open world gameplay (no formal linear stages) and crafting into EW2
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>>420411561
I never know with this board anymore, can't discuss my japanese food enthusiasm without having s.oy filtered into onions
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>>420411452
It's never going to change. Literally every medium is like this. It's over.
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>>420411609
>Hideo Kojima
that turned out wrong, but that Resident Evil jap Mikami
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>>420411831
Its not going to change.... right up until it crashes, which you can see coming on the horizon.
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>>420411374
Nex Machina is the best twin stick ever made, co-developed by Eugene Jarvis (Robotron and Smash TV). Fight'N Rage is an oldschool style 2D beat 'em up that was made by a guy who seriously knows his shit. Super Cloudbuilt is a unique 3D precision platformer with a lot of freedom in level design. Dariusburst CS is a horizontal shoot 'em up from a classic series that's been going since the 80's. BallisticNG is PS1 era Wipeout mechanically, except in HD with mod support, online leaderboards, multiplayer and a lot of other modern features. Strania is a vertical shooter about mechs, developed by the team that helped with Ikaruga. Wild Guns Reloaded is a remake of a SNES Cabal-style shooter. Furi is a boss rush in the vein of Ys games. Underrail is a classic CRPG inspired by Fallout 1, but more gameplay and exploration focused. Legend of Grimrock 2 is a great dungeon crawler with real time combat.
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>>420410307
>socialism and communism are the same thing
>everithing I don't like is the same thing
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>>420411126
this cracka know what's up.
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>>420388123
>nobody's made a world rpg better than Morrowind or a sci fi rpg better than DE

Christ imagine being this stupid
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>>420411992
>Super Cloudbuilt is a unique 3D precision platformer with a lot of freedom in level design
I just looked this up for the PS4 and found my new current-gen platformer after Yooka-Laylee (got disappointed in Hat In Time despite all the praise), thanks
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>>420387341
>>420387341
>>420387341
This.
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>>420411992
Replace Wild Guns with Bot Vice.
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>>420412220
No one has made a scifi rpg better than DE
that is an objective fact
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>>420386808
>Taking video games seriously.

This is your problem. They're literally games. They are not meant to be taken seriously (unless they're made by ignorant hipsters, in which case they aren't worth playing).

People who have pools in their backyards don't go swimming and "take it seriously." They just have a good, relaxing time. Video games are the same. You are just supposed to have some fun. If you're looking for something more than fun, you're deflecting problems with your real life into your hobby.
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>>420412340
Wizardry 8
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Mike is actually a good looking dude he's just fat.
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>>420386251
watch the hobby at large crash and burn while I enjoy the old material on the sidelines.
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>>420412230
No problem, it's always nice to see someone checkout out good lesser known stuff
>>420412329
Nah, Bot Vice is alright but it's a bit of a chore to play since everything takes ages to kill and you have to mash the shoot button like mad to get a decent fire rate. No arcade mode, advanced scoring or multiplayer either.
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>>420412482
lol hipster faggot
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>>420412521
They are all good boys...they just had a hard life :(
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>>420394037
>Culture is like technology, it gets better with progression.

It has been objectively proven that culture always ends in degeneracy and destruction. You can only dismantle a society in the name of progression for so long before you are left with nothing left of what made it good in the first place.

You saw it with the fall of rome, you'll see it again. Hope it was worth it.
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>>420386786
Because having passion is lame and being a detached gen-z nihilist sitting atop ten layers of irony is badass.
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>>420386251

I stopped expecting to be the center of the universe when I stopped being a child. Besides that, there has always been plenty of games that were not made for me and I didn't like going back decades. I would never be so arrogant as to presume something not made for me is automatically not being made for the largest and most important demographic.
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>>420412521
>jay had the school shooter haricut
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>>420412220
I've only played 10 minutes of DE and I can admit that there is no better sci fi RPG. I've played a shit ton of the newer stuff and none of it, NONE of it marks up to the original DE.
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>>420412521
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this video a couple of weeks ago
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>>420412607
>No problem, it's always nice to see someone checkout out good lesser known stuff
I luckily bought the PS4 in time for 3D platforming becoming a thing at all (Gravity Rush 1 and 2), but so many of them cater to 90s throwback nostalgia so I've given up for some time on finding any new interesting IP, this one looks like the good kind of innovative
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>>420412676
>It has been objectively proven that culture always ends in degeneracy and destruction
no it hasnt
japan is thousands of years old
china is thousands of years old
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>>420387353
>Wanting things to ever be the same is actually pretty childish.
Holy shit, I never thought of this.
You actually made me think, nice one anon.
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>>420412694
Having a passion about being a CONSUMER is lame and embarrassing
Have a passion about something real
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>>420386251
I'm getting a shitload of video games targeted to me. What are you on about?
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>>420412747
Is this a parody post? Does walking up to the statue of liberty and prodding people make DX the best sci-fi RPG of all time?
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>>420412858
China has collapsed so many fucking times lmao. Pick up a history book.
"collapse" doesnt mean max mad anarchy and society is gone forever
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>>420413032
not a roman empire level collapse, it's still there and the culture persists, more or less
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>>420412934
>implying difference
you have to be a consumer of items to get laid with someone too
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>>420413171
>goes from "no collapse"
>"well it wasnt a BIG collapse"

why are you fucking insects all the same
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>>420413267
there's a world of difference between being a fanboy and having a passion for something real
not sure what it has to do with getting laid
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>live in 2117
>games are no longer allowed to have any offensive themes
>"evil" antagonists come in the form of people who refuse to say "please" and "thank you", especially after their mandatory Civility Gaping
>featuring 60 REAL minutes of Gameplay about talking, listening, and the healing power of the human heart
>every finished playthrough of new game+ adds a few extra InclusionBux into your account, which you can use to postpone or reschedule your IRL Civility Gaping appointments
>10/10 - "It's a masterpiece" - IGN
>10.5/10 - "Truly their pinnacle of the art form" - Polygon
>9/10 - "A chilling look into our past, and what makes us human. Game unfortunately had one non-colored in it. We can do better!" - Resetera
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>>420413372
the politics collapsed, the people and the culture endured, seeing you said 'culture' it doesn't really count
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>>420413478
>society still being around in 2117

lmao Id be SHOCKED if we make it to 2030
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>>420411452
>they don't have to craft interesting stories or engaging gameplay

You what m8? Did you not see E3?
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>>420394627
Even assuming this is true, there's only so much the envelope can be pushed before it turns people (even the left wing) off and hurts their bottom line
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>>420388123
This is a good bait post.
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>>420412817
Yes, it really feels like a waste to just copy classic collectathons when there is so much more to experiment with. I'd love a physics based grappling hook platformer in the vein of the Umihara Kawase series, but in 3D. Yet there is nothing like this, even though every other game now features physics systems far more advanced than anything developers could make during the SNES days.
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>>420413372
they downright refuse to acknowledge reality if that reality is too "scary" or goes against their beliefs
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>>420413602
0% gameplay, 100% prerendered video. So sick!
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>>420413478
nonsense
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>>420386306
They're Amerifats.
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>>420413740
you mean like the way you strawman me as some SJW because I said something you didn't want to hear?
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>>420386251
I'm pretty sure I'm the target audience of the games I buy.
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>>420413032
>>420413372
How the fuck can you equate the fall of a ruling government with the destruction of a culture?
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>>420414072
>sick of pathetic sub-human games
>make a game where you ride on a bug, and also the floor is lava

Almonds, activate!
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>>420388398
>witcher 3 and obsidians games are pretty good rpgs
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>>420386251
I mostly play nip games or niche games so if giant AAA western companies want to crash and burn it's no skin off my nose
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>>420393246
>t. started playing during 7th gen
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>>420390342
Holy shit I hope I never meet you.
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>>420413830
>>420413963
>>420414072
>>420414183
GO ON?!
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>>420394794
>Watching TV isnt a hobby either
It can be, it depends on what you make of it. If you're an active watcher in how you think about what you're seeing I think it can definitely pass. Bonus points for active discussions and maybe collecting. If collecting different types of stamps is a hobby then television and movies can be too if you make them one
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>>420387353
So your logic is that as you grow and learn what you like you actually become more childish?
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>>420414183
what did the little fool do
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>>420390342
i want to take a massive dump right on your face for this garbage post
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>>420386251
>How do you deal with not being the target audience for you main hobby anymore?

It hurts. Fuck Bruce Jenner.
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>>420416334
suddenly the text feels like google translate
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>>420412521
Jay must be some kind of attractiveness vampire, he stole all of Mike and Rich's looks.
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>>420386251
it's annoying to keep watching devs/publishers use video games to push whatever political agenda is the flavor of the month. I'm increasingly of the opinion that making games because you love games and not because you want to turn a profit is a rarity. I see more love of the medium from hgame devs for fucks sake.
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>>420414707
Same here, couldn't care less about western AAA so they can do whatever.
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>>420386251
>Not the target audience of Pokemon
>Or Anime

I just find things I like, and enjoy them desu. Then I enjoy them with the hope that the propaganda infiltration doesn't ruin them.

>Inb4 fuck off /pol/
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I am a well-adjusted heterosexual male in my mid-twenties. I am the main audience for nearly all companies.
>b-b-but Sony showed girls kissing! Heterosexual males don't like that at all
Yeah, lesbians is one of the porn terms that are searched most often. One of them is not really attractive but I guess they made some market evaluation and picked that appearance for a reason. Call me when Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda or Sony start making crossdressing as mandatory parts of their games (and don't treat it like a joke like SE did back in the Nineties) or force me to play a homosexual man and take part in homosexual behaviour (and no, giving me the option to do that like Bioware does is not "forcing me", since I can play the complete games without any gay shit if it pleases me).
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>>420386251
But I got Yakuza, Day's Gone, three different samurai and ninja games , Metro and more.
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>>420390342
>in the elder scrolls the other planets actually revolve around earth

wtf
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>>420413506
Taoism sure didn't get smothered.
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>>420412676
The most correct answer in this thread. Anyone who just cites "progress" has always been someone who tries to handwave away all the negative effects of their position with no real argument. Their own validation is through progress and it makes them feel better than everyone else. When their progress collapses around them, their worldview is so shattered they can't comprehend it.
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>>420386251
But I still got TW3K, Rage 2, Metro Exodus, DMC5, RE2 remand,...etc I have doubt about Cyberbunk but it's still on my watch list.

My only hope is EA, Bioware and the last of queer 2 can burn in hell.
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>>420413372
The "collapse" of ancient China is just a bunch of "dynastic governments", the culture and people still largely exist till today, how dense can you be...
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>>420420496
>whoa Joris, we are really... The Last of Queer (TM)
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It's not the worst thing. People with normal sensibilities being pushed out of a terrible pastime. Win win for society really.
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I think its good because it allows any normal person to move out of this deteriorating hobby. If you want good games play retro or one of the occasional good releases. Just don't allow video games to be your main hobby anymore because it doesn't deserve it.
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>>420413506
>the people and the culture endured
*defacates in a subway in Shanghai while the proud former members of the British Empire look down upon your mainland Chinese existence*
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Deterioration is happening in many hobbies though. I went to the globe in London and saw twelfth night. An actual black transvestite narrated and they opened the play to everyone singing 'We Are Family'. Movies like Kenneth Branagh's Henry V don't get made anymore.
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>>420421869
I think we have about 10-15 years left before people are killing each other in the streets. Not only because of such division, but because the cities/hubs just have way, way too many fucking people.
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>>420386251
I just play the games that target me now. That's about all I can do.
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>>420422238
As it should have always been
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>>420386381

>I dont play videogames
>/v/ - Video Games
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I feel nothing because all the games I always like have almost always been niche to begin with.
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>>420421473
>>420421220
Every past time, or escapist hobby infiltrated and ruined. Might make people focus on the real world, and how fucked everything is getting.

>>420421869
Go play warhamm..oh wait. Dungeons and drag...queens? Magic the gathering...of feminists and trannies?

>>420422210
Best import as many people from poor violent countries to our cities. Will make the ensuing chaos oh so much more fun.
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>>420422810
Warhammer is ok for now.
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>>420412521
Fucking Christ Jay looks like an adult version of my classmate.
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>>420395786
Do you actually believe this is why PUBG is popular?
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>>420423181
it always kills me how so much of warhammer's library was written by a literal commie as satire and it still doesn't hold a candle to the bullshit they're pushing into other media
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>>420424887
The unrelenting, borderline ludicrous grimdark aesthetic will keep it safe for a long time I think, it just doesnt in any way appeal to the type of cuck who would want it "sanitized"




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