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smash ultimate roster officially leaked. you can ignore all the fake leak bullshit, this is the legitimate smash ultimate roster.
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>>423882989
big if true
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Yoshi is an edit little mac model
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>>423882989
Post who you're gonna play first fellas
>DK
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>>423882989
thats extremely soulless compared to n64
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The best part about this post is it legit could be what we see first time booting up the game.
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>>423882989
that mario is yoshi face edited
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>>423884128
didn't nintendo say that it was gonna work that way on e3? you start with a tiny roster and then you have to unlock everyone like in brawl/melee.
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>>423884097
I miss the darker colors of 64/Melee
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>>423884097
Games don't have soul anymore. The original prototype for Smash 64 was made without approval because it was a game he wanted to make. The newer ones are only made because it sells. New Smash = Soulless.
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>>423884212
Exactly that. Hell, the anon posting this screenshot could be on the Smash 4 development team and just being a major tease.
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>>423884097
>>423884361
This. The menus of 64 and to an extent melee were just perfect. The cluttered menu in smash 4 is an absolute shitshow
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>>423884604
>he likes being handed everything and not achieving any accomplishments in video games
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Honestly the best part about this is that they are going to have to set everymode based on 64

Including Classic Mode, which means it's going to have to be good again
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>>423884604
You know being unable to enjoy the things you enjoyed as a kid might be a sign that you're very unhappy/dissatisfied with your current life.
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>>423884831
This is why smash 4 is my least favorite smash, single player modes are absolute trash. Brawl has the best single player modes of any smash and I got so many hours out of it because of that, but smash 4 really just had the multiplayer and roster going for it.
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>>423885015
I'm not a pathetic virgin who plays Nintendo games past the age of zygote
give me attention
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>>423884826
>Enjoy doing tedious shit to unlock most of the characters with only a hand full of characters actually having fun unlock requirements.
>Having to do all that shit again if you lose your save for any reason.
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>>423885714
>Having to do all that shit again if you lose your save for any reason.
>Switch online adds cloud saves
That isn't going to be an issue anymore and going through the singleplayer modes to unlock everyone is fun.
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>>423884097

how's this bro
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>>423885714
Yup, sounds fun. Blow it out your ass faggot
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>>423885405
You don't have to be a virgin to be unhappy, although the fact that that was your first response tells me you're not as old as you want others to think.
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>>423886058
>Yup, sounds fun.
Not really
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>>423882989
>The rest of the roster are locked by amiibo dlc and lootboxes
Bahwbahahhwhwhhababaha
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>>423886142
>Doesn't spend hours playing the singleplayer content as soon as he gets a new Smash game
What a faggot, I thought everyone enjoyed doing that.
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>Mario in the roster
Fuck off Mariofags Sakurai would never put him in.
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>>423884019
Mario then DK.
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>>423884019
Pikachu and Link. My original 64 mains.
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>>423886290
>>Doesn't spend hours playing the singleplayer content as soon as he gets a new Smash game
I can do that without the character I want to play being locked behind grinding games.
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>>423884606
That menu is just bad all around. Brawl at least had a decent layout.
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>>423886580
Always mario
He is my guy I would beat 9.0 difficulty on adventure mode. Last fight for wii u was hard as fuck but freaking cool how they did the final boss.
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>>423884019
Bowser
Then I'll try inkling and hope they are good. I always play bowser but he's never top tier so have to whore myself out to a good character for try hard mode. Inkling looks to have great mobility so far.
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>>423887162
I agree that Brawls was fine since the placement of everything was concise but
this shit is inexcusable
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>>423887348
You can't play either of them first, who knows when they'll be unlocked.
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>>423885714
>playing video games is the worst part of playing video games
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>>423884604
fuck off fgc and go take a shower
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>>423887393
The design doesn't bother me so much as how stuff is organized and nested
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I miss this one
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>>423887491
>I can't play video games unless the developers set arbitrary locks for me
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>>423884606
>Shittiest mode in the entire series is the second biggest button on the main menu
What was Sakurai thinking
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>>423887564
>waaaah I hate progression I'd rather just use my good boy points to buy everything
Fucking zoomers
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>>423887393
This shit just pisses me off
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>>423887564
>I can't play video games unless I start with everything unlocked or can pay for loot crates to do it for me
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>>423884604
zoomer holocaust now
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>>423884097
everything is so bright and colorful now, i miss the heavy darks of 90s games. The reveal trailer for Smash was such a misdirection
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>>423882989
All I want is more fap worthy trophies and costumes.
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>>423884604
THING I DONT LIKE
IS ONIONS
PAY ATTENTION TO ME
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>64 had an original menu design
>Melee had an original menu design
>Brawl had an original menu design
>WiiU copied Brawl
>Ultimate copied WiiU
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I'm honestly pretty excited to get to unlock everybody and see that progression happen.
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I can't wait to unlock characters. Especially as a kid who only had one controller and no siblings, I almost always played single player unless I was hanging with my best friend at his house. This was how the game gave me enjoyment.

This and doing stamina mode with 4 young links. They later made this an event in Sm4sh, so I feel like someone was watching me.
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>>423887959
SOMEONE POSTED ONIONS
ABOUT THING I LIKE
PAY ATTENTION TO ME
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>>423884019
>after I jerk off

probs Samus
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>>423887556
This one was honestly the best.
Every bit of information is in a hierarchy with thought put behind it, and any loud or useless elements of the design are done away with to make it consistent.
Every item is under a menu that makes sense, and hovering over each option shows you a preview of what the next menu is to the side to ensure you don't get lost. Compare that to the cluttered design of Brawl or Smash 4's menus that just throw shit in unexpected places with no thought.
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>>423888126
>no u argument
lmao
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>launch game for the first time
>see this

what do?
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>>423887980

Not in the first Smash Bros game where the starting lineup is randomized ;)
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>>423888271
I- is this a leak?
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>>423888271
I really hope it's not like this and it's like OP's.
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>>423888271
>locked character next to samus
I'd be very happy if Samurai added two new Metroid reps in one game.
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>>423888271
>80 character slots
That seems way too big. Lots of singleplayer modes though. I've always loved event mode so hopefully we can get characters from that.
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Still the most unique, amazing menu theme in the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYSOyVblIOE
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Im actually looking forward to building the whole roster, Heck I'd be ok with doing it with only 4 from the start
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Retards in this thread who think starting with 60+ characters locked at the start: imagine starting this game up for the first time with friends and no one can play the character they want to play for the entire session because most of the roster is locked away. Inb4 no friends
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>>423888271
Shoot myself in the fucking head.
Having locked icons strewn all over the place is so ugly. It's gonna add icons and it'll zoom out every time you run outta room.
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>>423888449
No menu theme will ever top Melee's for me. I turned off every menu theme aside from this in Wii U.
https://youtu.be/Q2Ax21yobJ0
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>>423884826
I think it'd be more fun to just be able to play as the character you want
unlocking characters would be cool if you didn't have anyone to play with, but I play this game with friends
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>>423888410
We'll probably get 3 or 4 more announcements before release (and about as many original moveset characters), then a lot of post release fanservice echos to milk that $. Wouldn't be shocked if it ended near 80. Not that far away already.
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>>423888520
Sakurai already said there was going to be 60+ characters locked from the start. We're only starting with the 64 roster, did you not watch the E3 direct?
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>>423888520
y'all just pick a fucking character, it's smash
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>>423888520
Unlock them before your friends come over and never worry about it again. It's not like the Switch is gonna wipe your save every time it powers on.
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>>423882989
Well shoot. I guess they were serious about having to unlock everyone outside of the original 8.
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>>423888232
a shit quality post deserves a shit quality post.
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>>423888632
Echo fighters are a meme. The roster isn't going to be overflowing with them or anything. I could imagine gettin 3-4 new echoes at most. I could imagine the roster hitting 80 fighters by the time DLC is over though.
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I just thought of this but it'd be incredible if the new opening for Ultimate was a remaster + extension of the original 64's opening.
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>>423888449
FREE FOR ALL
https://youtu.be/MFsC39DHsuk
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>>423887704
desu vault is the least nonsensical
the worst offender is settings being buried in single player smash
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>>423888794
>meme hurrrr
In what way? Explain why it's a meme.
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>>423888810
We potentially could get this as the theme for Ultimate's character select
PLEASE GOD
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>>423888449

so why the FUCK isn't the smash64 theme available in brawl/wiiu/ultimate??
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>>423884097
>cute fat pikachu
>happy mario
>cool link
>dinosaur buddy yoshi
>>423882989
>fucked up anorexic pikachu, no longer looks like an animal
>reddit angry mario
>soi boy link
>faggot gay yoshi
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>>423888953
Now that clone characters were given an official name everyone expects the game to be full of them. He literally just gave them a name, there's no reason to expect many more because of that. Thinking the game is going to be filled with echoes is a meme.
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>>423888754
says the garlic poster
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>>423882989
Who here has their main unlocked from the start?
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>>423889050
At least they got Pikachu's color right. He was way too dark a yellow in Smash 4. He was always supposed to be a light yellow.
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>>423889050
Nigga they look almost the exact motherfucking same. The sheer autism of this board is starting to get to me.
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I sincerely hope they bring not only the fighters from all the games, but rather more and more elements, like music and game modes. Otherwise it just doesn't deserve to be called Ultimate.
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>>423889104
Reporting in.
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>>423889104
My boy Link.
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>>423888449

fun fact: the ssb64 menu theme is meant to be the sound of the tuning and practicing instruments before the show.
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>>423888386
Are you retarded?
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>>423889104
Not me but it's G&W so I'm used to it.
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>>423889070
There's a difference between full of them and like a "bunch" of them. I'd say around 5-8 is reasonable when DLC is finished. Why bother giving them a name just to add one or two?
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>>423884604
>he wants to have every character unlocked from the start so you don’t have to work for anything ever
you are the people you’re trying to make fun of, cocksucker.
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fucking bring back metal battle, sakurai
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>>423889280
>mindlessly grind x number of games
>"work for anything"
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>>423889263
>Why bother giving them a name just to add one or two?
Because they never had an official name before this and every time they'd add a clone people would lose their shit over a wasted character slot. I very much doubt we're getting more than 3 more echoes, excluding Daisy and the returning characters of course.
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>>423889356
god forbid i have to play the game
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>>423889104
No, but he's melee so shouldn't take long if they go in order. If not I hope I don't have to wait forever though I'll have fun unlocking things either way. He better get pic related.
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>>423889505
It wouldn't make sense for Mario to get the wedding outfit and Bowser not get the same. Hopefully he gets it.
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>>423889417
god forbid I want to have fun instead of having content arbitrarily locked away because autists don't know how to play games without the game locking content
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>>423889005
Hell, why isn't the whole 64 soundtrack available? It's the best.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yBaWgDJXafE
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Does this means they'll be forced to unfuck Classic mode?
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>>423889754
THEY HAVE TO
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>>423884019
Link Pikachi Fox in order, and then I' gonna play board the platforms
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>>423888980
Nah, already confirmed to be the results screen theme again.
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>>423882989
>that awful copy and pasting work
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>>423889754

I'd bet money that the very beginning of the game, when you first turn it on, will be a carbon copy of smash 64, and you have to unlock all the new content as you play.
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>>423889378
I disagree they won't add more. There are so many easy opportunities that people will gladly pay for. They can shit out 4-5 echos with less effort than a new character. To think they won't do any even after making a point of naming them is a bit naive. I don't think Sakurai cares about retarded slotfags enough to name them just for Daisy. There's going to be at least a few more post release and probably a couple pre-release.
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>>423884097
this "soulless" bullshit needs to stop
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>>423889576
Get out, underage. You used to have to unlock things in games before you had the ability to purchase them as DLC. Why do kids always seek instant gratification?
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>>423889104
>legs
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>>423889754
>all the locked characters will still show up as opponents in single player modes, you just have to unlock the ability to play as them
>this is why they aren't hiding anybody before release anymore
This is THE way I can see Sakurai fucking all of this up.
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>>423889852
Fuck, well maybe its just placeholder, considering how most of the voices were.
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>>423887564
You're right, they should make you pay for each character!
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>Boogerman flings into action
Anyone? I always think of him any time earthworm jim is mentioned. I'm counting on you all if there's another poll.
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>>423889909
There's no way they're going to try and sell echoes as DLC I hope you're joking.
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>>423889987
Because instant gratification makes more money. You can thank that for the shorter and shorter attention spans kids have now
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>>423888271
immediately complain
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>>423888520
sounds like i wouldn't want them as friend because what faggot starts crying like a bitch because he doesn't get to play his character immediately.
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>>423890140
He couldn't even get kickstarter support to come back. He died with the 90's.
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>>423882989
>Yoshi
Literally who? Might as well say Ness will be in.
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>>423888271
>implying the ?s won't be exclusively for non-Echoes just like how it worked in Melee
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>>423890407
Exactly. Yoshi is just a powerup. He doesn't even have a defining feature to set him apart from the other Yoshiss, like a hat.
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>>423889243
That makes it even more awesome
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>>423889050
>complaining about anything but the trash other m Samus design
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>>423890407
A character that never leaves his fucking plane is there and Yoshi's the one that tickles you? lmao, never ever Foxfags
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>>423888520
>Not wanting to play any of the characters out of the main 8
Your friends literally have shit tastes.
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>>423890507
Well same with the default pokes.
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>>423889576
You know what, every zelda game should just give link the master sword immediately, and heart pieces, geese nintendo why don't you just put me at the credits while you're at it? I'm tired of wasting time playing a game and unlocking shit, what awful design, all these sheeple will never understand.
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>>423889754
yes, hopefully no more trophy choose fight bullshit, the wiiu you and 3ds modes were ugly as fuck.
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>>423890724
The sad part is there are actual people that think like this. They don't have to work for anything in games they want everything handed to them. No wonder games have been getting piss easy.
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>>423889168
>>423890592
>defending Onions of the Wild Link, EPIC BADASS REDDIT ANGRY MARIO and gay pride tumblr Yoshi
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>>423890724
I never played pokemon after red because when I turned it on for the first time they only let me pick ONE pokemon to start with. What the hell??
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>>423890407
next people will want green mario, as if there would ever be a reason to put clones in, lmao.
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>>423890938
Ok Captain Autismo
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>>423890938
you are trying way too hard to fit in
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>>423890938
>gay pride tumblr Yoshi
The only people that have ever approached this thought are repressed furfags.
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>>423882989
i mean, you're probably not wrong
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>>423891070
>>423891105
>>423891125
>DUDE LIKE
>WHAT IF MARIO WAS ANGRY AND BADASS AND ANIME
>LMAO
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>>423889050
>reddit angry mario
what?
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>>423891159
r u ok?
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>>423890938
You're right, i want the hardcore homophobic Scientologist yoshi back.
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>>423887878
>>423884097
t. edgelords

Go back to listening to Evanesence and Linkin Park on repeat and masturbating to Raven.
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>>423891159
he's so angry that he's clearly smiling
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>>423891159
hey guys, onions and reddit!
hehe now im cool like all the four channers maybe my classmates will stop making fun of me
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>>423890724
>progressing through an adventure game and getting better weapons is the same as having characters arbitrarily locked away in a fighting game
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>>423889576
Get fucked then, kid. Smash has always had locked characters.
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>>423884097
This was all stock art of the characters that was previously used for their respective games, rather than created for Smash Bros. Looks pretty soulless in hindsight.
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>>423891408
Fundamentally, yeah it is the same. There are adventure games where you never upgrade attributes.
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Soulless memes are shit, but Yoshi's old design was better.
I wouldn't mind Yoshi's new design as much if they'd just give him a 3D model with a decent looking nose.
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>>423891408
>it's arbitrary
It's to encourage you to try out new characters as you get them and not just cling to one. Also, if playing the fucking game is a chore for you, A. kys summerfag, and B. don't buy it.
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>>423891408
>fighting game
?
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>>423882989
Now this is a leak I can get behind :)
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>>423884606
>>423887393
>>423887704
Menus were designed by Sakurais wife, if you're ever wondering how these UI abominations got approved.
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>>423891679
Did Sakurai's wife have a stroke sometime before 2014?
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>>423882989
fixd
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>>423890592
I wish Sakurai had known about Samus Returns in time, or Samus Returns devs knowing about Smash Bros Ultimate.
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>>423891754
>melee HD is real!
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>>423891754
Melee HD?
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>>423891679
So were the Meteos menu, Brawl menu, and the Kid Icarus menu, and those were all fine.
Smash 4 was just a fuckup.
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I never played Smash Wii U so I am legit excited to get all the new characters by playing the game. It's gonna be like MvC2 on the Dreamcast!
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>>423882989
nah i dont see waluigi, hes gotta be a character
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>>423891901
Smash Wii U was underwhelming and slow. This looks better in every way, you made the right decision by waiting.
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>>423891408
Yes because there's a sense of actual progression, I wouldn't be very happy with things like challenges and the extra modes and shit if accomplishing them in a certain way didn't warrant any reward at all, it's similar to starting with a 100% file of the game, yes it's different in the sense that fighting games aren't really story driven or adventures but the sense of progression should exist in some way, having everything unlocked at the very beginning isn't fun, the only time where this didn't work well was in smash 4 where the fucked up the unlock system by making it brain-dead easy and having each unlock have any sort of interesting way of unlocking it "beat classic with this character, beat classic with 10 characters, beat classic with this other character" (they also made custom moves unlocked by RNG, again retarded) that's the only game where the unlocks were actually complete trash.
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>>423891934
He's a joke character that's never been in a canon game.
To give you some hope though, I've heard his assist trophy has not been seen in any of the live demos despite being shown at e3. Sakurai may have been trolling showing him as an assist.
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>>423891585
>It's to encourage you to try out new characters as you get them
If I wanted to do that I would just do that.

>>423891504
SSB4 barely had any locked characters dumbass.
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>>423891754
oh boy i can't wait for my side-b to stop on shield! God i fucking hope they fix fox, he was straight up bottom-mid tier in the e3 demo
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>>423890438

smart idea, fixed it on your suggestion and it looks A LOT better
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>>423892132
>Yes because there's a sense of actual progression
No, there isn't. It's just a sense that they arbitrarily locked away content I want to use. There is no sense of progression for fighting game character unlocks.

>I wouldn't be very happy with things like challenges and the extra modes and shit if accomplishing them in a certain way didn't warrant any reward at all
The reward should be that you had fun playing it. I'm sorry you need to have the game dangle a carrot on a stick in front of you so you can have fun.
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>>423888572
You and your friends take turns playing through the single player to unlock characters, it's pretty simple. Me and my buddies did that for Melee and Brawl back in the day and had a blast.
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>>423891901
hopefully they don't fuck-up unlocking characters, in wiiu and 3ds they were extremely generic ways to get the characters.
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>>423892324
Tourneyfags were a fucking mistake
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>>423891159
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>>423892324
>>423892132
Back in the day, unlocking new characters meant finding HIDDEN content that you didn't even know about. The mystique was key, it was the main attraction. Nowadays you know every character before the game comes out, so unlocking characters definitely can be a tedious chore. But I think the single player is usually fun to mess around with so I don't mind it.
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>>423892338
If it's anything like the past couple of games most of the single-player modes will be co-op, too.
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>>423892324
You keep saying arbitrary. You clearly don't know what it means but I'm going to give you the chance to define it. And if you go to an online dictionary I'll know.
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>>423892408
Not even tourneyfags, he's just autistic. I'm a tourneyfag but still enjoy the first few days of singleplayer stuff and unlocking. I'm convinced this poster is underage. Nobody should be that upset about unlockables.
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HAPPENING:
SAKURAI RAGE QUITS, AND PUTS GOKU IN.
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HOLY FUCK GUYS THEY JUST REVEALED YOSHI IN THE BLOG
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>>423892206
It still had 8 locked characters. And there's gonna be even more in Ultimate. Also, not being able to play as the character you want immediately is cool. Makes it all the better when the locked character challenges you and you beat them, and then it feels good to finally play them.
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>>423882989
I know that the video said the initial roster would be "as small as the 64 roster", but I'm pretty sure than from a commercial standpoint, Pac-man, Sonic, Bayonetta and all other third-party characters should not be unlockable.
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>>423889505
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>>423892851

each fighter has locked costumes, you unlock them the same way you did moves, as a way to replace their progression
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Just remember: Meta Ridley wasn't in the E3 demo, so unlockable Alt Costumes might be a thing.
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>>423892851
I still miss the rust color bowser
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>>423892989
That would make this game infinitely more exciting. I fucking love costumes.
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>>423892318

i literally forgot dark pit. what a shitty character
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>>423891159
Havin a mental breakdown there?
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>>423892324
The sense of progression comes from the idea that the fighter has challenged you, and if you beat him he will join you to play, it's not fucking arbitrary, it's a staple of the smash series and it makes other components of the game more interesting.
>I'm sorry you need to have the game dangle a carrot on a stick in front of you so you can have fun.
I don't, but lets say to unlock a certain character, like daisy or something, you have to complete classic/adventure mode with all the mario characters, well personally i don't really enjoy playing peach or bowser, but in this situation it would cause me to go out of my comfort zone and play these characters that i don't generally like, and then i find something enjoyable that I originally didn't want to play because my judgement wasn't 100% accurate, and then for going out of my way and doing something that I didn't think I would enjoy, i found something about the characters that i enjoy and i succeeded in unlocking the character that i wanted to unlock, sounds like progression to me.
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>>423892434
A reasonable response! what a rare occasion
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>>423893061
God, I wish this is what happens, imagine trying to make out the images of the new characters and guess who they are.
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>>423892408
Yeah, fuck tourneyfags for having fun actually playing the game and not from having content artificially blocked off behind grinding.

>>423892475
>You clearly don't know what it means
Oh the ironing
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>>423892795
What makes 3rd parties special?
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>>423892532
>I can't enjoy single player unless there's a carrot dangling in front of me
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>>423892989
That would be way better than the tourney banned unbalanced shitstorm that was customs.
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>>423892580
>I'm quitting this dogshit company
Is he quitting his own company?
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>>423893285
>Having incentives is NEVER a good thing
I enjoy singleplayer and I enjoy unlocking things. What's the problem with doing both when the game comes out? Do you play Zelda games and hope there's nothing in the dungeons because you don't want a carrot dangling in front of you? Fucking autist.
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>>423893285
>says he's a tourneyfag
>clearly enjoys the game for gameplay because of this
>you still bring back your 'carrot on a stick' line

Jesus Christ, dude.
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>>423893271
They aren't, it's just that as a company you wouldn't want your character to be locked when featuring in another company's game, it's just ad.
This was true in brawl and Sm4sh.
Plus I find it weird that they never exactly said "you start with the 64 roster".

>>423893285
You may not enjoy carrots, but you gotta remember most gamers like achievements and shit like that, and smash is not pandering to the competitive scene at all (even if SSBU is trying way harder than ever).
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>>423893220
Are you retarded? how is progressing towards unlocking a character not playing the game?
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>>423893543
>What's the problem with doing both when the game comes out?
It locks away content I actually want to use.

>Do you play Zelda games and hope there's nothing in the dungeons because you don't want a carrot dangling in front of you?
I play the dungeons because playing through the dungeons in and of itself is fun. Not because there's a fucking carrot dangling there. Play better games.

>>423893574
>>you still bring back your 'carrot on a stick' line
You're playing for the carrot. Not the gameplay.
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>>423893584
Snake and Sonic were locked in Brawl pretty sure
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>>423893584
>This was true in brawl
Snake and Sonic were both locked.
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>>423893584
>wanting to play characters on the fucking box right away instead of grinding 200 matches for it is pandering to the competitive scene
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>>423893684
>You're playing for the carrot. Not the gameplay.
Are you retarded? I was pointing out the fact that the guy literally said "I'm a tourneyfag but still enjoy the first few days of singleplayer stuff and unlocking." And then you still claim that he's playing for the carrot. Good god.
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>>423884097
>tfw this is the only smash game I've ever played
You're making me nostalgic enough to redownload Project64
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>>423893584
Well i feel like they could make an exception this time around, if it's meant to be an ad, just knowing the character is in the game should be enough, besides I'm sure producers of games don't just 100% want their character in smash for the money.
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>>423893773
retard
>>423893684
retard tourney cunt who needs to go back to melee and kill himself when the crts finally all die
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>>423893843
If that's the only reason he plays singleplayer, then yes, he is, in fact, only playing for the carrot. Good god.
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>>423893684
You're like that fucking retarded Journalist who wanted easy-mode cuphead lol
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>>423893932
SEETHING
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>>423893220
Yep, can't define it as I thought. The ironing indeed.
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>>423894018
>he's so pathetic that he has to compare mindlessly grinding games to beating a level in a game

wew
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>>423891159
do another one
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>>423894081
There's no point defining it to someone who doesn't know what the word means.
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Do new Smash games keep track of how much time you've spent playing specific characters? I got addicted to reshaping my Overwatch career profile because of that.
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>>423894163
it's only mindless if the devs make it shitty and mindless dumbass, jesus christ it's like you expect every unlock to parallel unlocking mewtwo in melee.
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>>423894248
I'm 99% sure there's a records setting in smash 4 that shows this.
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>>423894218
You're pathetic. I'm asking you because you keep using it wrong. So tell me oh wise one what it means. Or keep deflecting, I'll get a good laugh out of you either way.
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>>423894348
Oh no
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>>423894290
>it was shitty and mindless before
>explicitly said they're """streamlining""" it
>thinking it won't be even more shitty and mindless

>>423894381
>sh-shit! I don't actually know what "arbitrary" actually means so if I keep asking maybe he'll tell me!

This is sad.
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>>423893962
Did you forget I said I enjoyed it >>423892532
You're fucking autistic. Yeah, unlocking characters is an excuse to play the singleplayer content but I like that doing that stuff. I like getting a new Smash game and doing the event matches and other side modes. Doing that unlocks me characters, which is also a fun process. It's an enjoyable first few days before I go back to tourneyfagging.
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>>423894506
truly pathetic. Can't even define a word he was obsessed with using and tries to pull straight up "n-no u!" when getting called out.
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>>423894616
>I enjoyed it
Yeah, because you get that sweet little carrot you keep lusting for. Otherwise unlocking characters doesn't matter and shouldn't be there in the first place.
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>>423894675
truly pathetic. Can't even make an argument for a post he was obsessed with responding to and tries to pull straight up "y-you don't know what that word means!" when getting called out.
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>want to go into the game without knowing any of the roster past what's already been announced to experience the pure joy of unlocking surprise characters
>know i don't have the willpower to ignore directs and trailers/stay off of /v/ after them
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>>423893773
>>grinding 200 matches
Did you miss the part where Sakurai made it a point to say that the unlocking process was streamlined, retard?
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>>423894717
>You can't have fun with the game and unlock things at the same time
You're literally retarded.
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>>423893962
Except that's clearly not the only reason he plays singleplayer, retard. Also, fuck your 'carrot on the stick' faggotry. That's not even what it is. How is it not fun to be playing the game, and then see "challenger approaching" and going "oh shit it's X", fighting them, beating them, and then seeing them be added the roster? That's always been some of the hypest shit in smash. Literally can't wait to boot this game up for the first time with my bro, and do some co-op classic and events until stuff starts unlocking because we're not autistic and don't need to play our favorites right away.
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>>423892151
Real talk though, Waluigi would probably be the best joke character ever.
>People actually want him
>He could use his specials like Wall-luigi and the water powers he has shown or his weird mech pack from Sports Mix.
>BUT, have him use them unpredictively, for example, have his use his mech pack hold bob ombs and through them in random directs.
>Or have him use Wall-luigi and have the vines go in a different way every time.
>Also for the hell of it make him trip because of how much of clumsy tall fuck he is.
He would be the greatest luck based character with huge risky moves that if they work out have even bigger rewards.
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>>423894769
I told you to define it
>"NO U DEFINE IT U DONT KNW!!"
was your response. You don't know how to use arbitrary yet you kept repeating it. Sad. You even repeat what I say now. Is your mind that void of genuine thought?
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>>423894794
General rule of thumb is just to go on radio silence two weeks before the Japanese release date of any game you care about since that's when you risk someone breaking the street date.
Any real leaks you see before that will likely be text-only, so you'll probably forget about them.
A good alternate method is to apply appropriate filters to /v/ at the two week mark, and then go on radio silence if the number of hidden threads exceeds three.
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>>423894506
streamlining is needed because instead of like 5 fucking characters being unlockable, it's 60+. As long as they make the unlocks make sense this isn't a problem, all they have to do is find the right balance of how hard/easy it is to unlock characters, and the feature is perfectly fine.
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>>423894675
You haven't shown that you know what it means, though. And you literally aren't using it correctly. Why couldn't you just define it when the anon told you to the first time? You're failure of an attempt to try and spin it around on him is hilarious to watch.
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>>423884097
>Stock art has more soul than new renders fitting of the game
The fuck are you on?
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>>423894824
Sooooooo it's just even more pointless then? Wow, amazing. You sure convinced me unlocking characters is a good thing anon.

>>423894843
>Except that's clearly not the only reason he plays singleplayer
So what you're saying is that unlocking doesn't matte and shouldn't exist. Thanks for agreeing.

>How is it not fun to be playing the game, and then see "challenger approaching" and going "oh shit it's X",
Because I'm not a fucking child and I already know "X" is in the game you autist. There's no charm or fun in it. It's just arbitrary content locking.

>>423894909
And I told you you can't form an actual argument. You don't know what arbitrary means yet you're so fucking obsessed over it that you just keep repeating the same post. Sad. Is your mind that void of genuine thought?
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>>423894848
>greatest
>luck based
nothing is great about rng in anything but casual play, this is why characters like game and watch should never be top tier, and rng mechanics should not be added to characters movesets.
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>>423894717
So why is the carrot so bad to lust for in this context? A majority of people say they enjoy it, yet you are putting a negative connotation on it that no one agrees with.
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>>423895393
Because it's pathetic and this attitude kills games. Why bother making good gameplay when you can just have mediocre gameplay with a cheap carrot dangled at the end instead?
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>>423895184
>So what you're saying is that unlocking doesn't matte and shouldn't exist. Thanks for agreeing.
Not what I'm saying at all, you fucking retard. I'm actually saying that you can have fun both with the actual gameplay, and unlocking things.

>Because I'm not a fucking child and I already know "X" is in the game you autist. There's no charm or fun in it. It's just arbitrary content locking.
Has nothing to do with being a child. People have fun unlocking things. Always have, always will.
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>>423895492
>I'm literally a tourneyfag
>I play these games obsessively everyday solely for the gameplay
>The singleplayer content and unlocking is still fun
You're honestly fucking retarded. Nothing about these games are mediocre because you have to unlock characters.
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>>423889868
I want to believe you but that means a good Break The Targets which is probably never going to happen again would make me depressed.

At this rate though Brawl's Break the Targets is fine because asking for 68+unique Break the Targets stages is a bit much
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>>423895492
How would this kill smash? Smash's gameplay has never been affected by the secret/locked content. What the fuck are you talking about? Melee had more locked characters than Smash 4, and that game is considered to have the best gameplay.
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>>423895620
>I'm actually saying that you can have fun both with the actual gameplay, and unlocking things
You can have even more fun having the character you actually want to play available at the start.

>Has nothing to do with being a child.
Yes it does. If I'm not an ignorant child I'm not going to be excited seeing a fucking Inkling challenger approaching even though Inkling is plastered on the box.

>>423895673
>>423895731
So you admit unlocking characters is pointless. Thanks for agreeing.
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>>423895492
How does having unlockables kill gameplay, it just influences you to play the game in a different way.
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Guys, stop feeding that autistic troll
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>>423895889
Literally autistic.
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>>423882989
Samus mains come through? Where y'all at?
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>>423895940
>he needs unlockables to influence his behavior
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>>423895282
I guess what I was thinking would be a bit too annoying to fight against. Let me try to make a better hypothetical Waluigi.
>Has previously mentioned moves like Wall-luigi, robot pack thing and water-based moves.
>However make it so the way he executes the moves is odd, not like oh it goes in random directions make it so he using the pack to throw bob ombs but he throws them the opposite way you try to aim them, or have him try to use Wall-luigi but he hits himself so it's an option he can use as a recovery.
>Basically just a tricky character to understand at first but once you learn the way he does things it's easier to counter.
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>>423890170
What are dlc costumes
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>>423896154
Stop trying to put words in my mouth retard, i never said I fucking needed it, seeing someone else play a character can influence you, wanting to branch out can influence you, unlocking something by playing something you don't initially like influences you.
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>>423884606
>>423887393
>>423887704
on 3ds the menu was meh, but on WiiU it is even worse I see.
Really worst brawl in terms of menu.

>>423887556
This is where it's at. Nice, clean and cool.
Brawl was ok too because you could move the icons around.
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>>423888520
>not unlocking them WITH your friends
Wow, you must have some really nice fellas to hang around, I bet they cry everytime they call them names.
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>>423895889
>You can have even more fun having the character you actually want to play available at the start.
That doesn't mean anything to me or most non-autists. I'm not going to have less fun because a character I like isn't available from the start. I'll just play the other great characters that are there until I unlock them.

>Yes it does. If I'm not an ignorant child I'm not going to be excited seeing a fucking Inkling challenger approaching even though Inkling is plastered on the box.
It really doesn't. It's not just about the mystery. Obviously you'll know what character it is, especially nowadays. It's also mainly about the surprise fight (if you didn't know it was coming), and the fact that you'll unlock them and feel good about it. People like the progression.

>So you admit unlocking characters is pointless. Thanks for agreeing.
Are you senile? Legitimate question. You literally said "it's pathetic and this attitude kills games." Yet it doesn't kill smash, despite having it in all their games...let alone a bunch of other successful games with unlockables. People like both the gameplay and unlockables.

I really can't wait for this game to come out and have a blast unlocking everything with actual friends, while you screech that you can't play your favorites like the autist you are.
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>>423884097
Unironically this.
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>>423889050
>reddit angry mario
>soi boy link
>faggot gay yoshi
you sound underage
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>Not making it like Brawl where every locked character is invisible and fits the whole screen perfectly.
I want to forget the game too but having the screen starting out with a pool of black just looks ugly.
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>>423897130

That was merely for trailer purposes desu
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>>423890004
Speaking of voices, has it been confirmed anywhere that all the characters are getting re-voiced? Kinda getting tired of hearing voices from Brawl still.
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>>423890002
>>this is why they aren't hiding anybody before release anymore
>he really thinks there are only 2 newcomers
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>>423898226
There's still plenty of time before release to reveal the rest, you know.
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>>423885714
I'm confused, do you dislike smash bros, because ALL of them require you unlock characters.
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>no skyward sword design
this is why you know all the " it came too late for smash" is bullshit, Sakurai do what he wants
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>>423888520
If I had a friend that complains about unlocking characters I'd just call him a fag and force him to play a character.

Anyone who doesn't like/can't play base N64 roster is a complete chump. You can't sit there and tell me you can't play Mario or link. Bullshit.

Me and my real friends will enjoy unlocking characters every 10 matches or so. Hell. Imagine after playing your FIRST GAME with all 3/7of your friends it pits you up with a challenger.

Don't even get me started on event mode.
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>>423888271
>there aint no space for the dlcs there tho
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>>423891408
sakurai said the same thing you said
but then was like "but this is diferent and yall want it this way so lets go its wonderful and misterious or whatever"
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>>423882989
jesus that yoshi looks awful
mario and dk look kind of off too
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>>423898942
>If I had a friend
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>>423890938
Summer everyone, summer.
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>>423891408
If you are actually saying smash is a fighting game and you are complaining about unlocking characters, you have a mental disorder.
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>>423899219
Not really
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>>423889598
The whole soundtrack in Smash 64 is perfect. I fucking love Planet Zebes' theme, fine if you don't give me all the stages from 64, but fuck me GIVE US THE SOUNDTRACK ALREADY.
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>>423891754
Can't wait for Sakurai to get his turn with the meme and put in an event called "fox only".
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>>423884097
Pikachu looks really cute.
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>>423899796
fatchu is ugly and obese
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>>423892324
Shut up bitch, you know you're gonna get the game anyway.
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>You unlock characters with challanges fitting their original games
>Dedede unlocked by winning an event where you Gourmet race him (aka smash4 3ds run to the finish mode but you have to also eat more food items than Dedede at the end) with Kirby
>Ridley unlocked by completing a Melee-adventure-tier level (think of the zelda one) metroidvania style and by finding and killing him in his chamber, using Samus
>Bowser unlocked by completing a Bowser's road Melee-adventure tier level and a faceoff at Final destination at the end, using Mario of course
>Pokemon trainer unlocked by winning an event where you can only use pokeballs to damage his pokemons, and have to beat all three with you having only one stock (much like the melee one), using Pikachu
>Young link/toon link unlocked depending on which path you took in Classic/Adventure mode while playing as Link.
>
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>>423887348
Starting roster is the 8 smash 64 characters
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>>423893007
>evil ryu costume.
>it's just ryu with dark hado effects.
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>>423896074
I might pick up samus this time. I like how bombs look like they spike this time.
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>>423899305
Haha.




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