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Why can’t we judge old video games to modern standards. We do the same with every other media so why is vidya a exception? We should judge these games as if they were released today
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>>431540458
t. Jim Sterling
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>>431540458
>The game than defined the genre is worse than its #45 copy
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Because the technology changes.
Besides, what you said isn't true, you don't judge black and white movie on it's use of color.
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>>431540496
I bet he is as fat as Cuckling
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>>431540458
decent bait
have a u
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>>431540496
He’s right though. Ice Climbers shouldn’t be a classic because we had no standards. I’ll happily compare Ballon Fight to Spider Man
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>>431540458
you shouldn't play vidya if you fail to understand why for instance old games can't really be compared to new, modern ones.
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>>431540458
Unironically today's most brainlet post
Good job
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>>431540549
>IT BROKE NEW GROUND
Originality has no relation to quality.
From a pure gameplay perspective, why would I play the game that did it first over the game that did it better?
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>>431540848
This. Remember the contraversy when MVC3 was outdated months after release. In hindsight it’s perfectly acceptable because the situation is past tense
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>>431540458
>modern standards
I really wonder what people mean by this, well except GRAFFIX of course.
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>>431540848
>he doesn't test the first game in a series and keeps playing it if he likes it
>he doesn't want to feel a build-up of quality as he progresses through the countless games of said series
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>>431540458
OLD BAD
NEW GOOD
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>>431540458
>We do the same with every other media
No, we don't.
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I judge gameplay and enjoyment by equal standards, but sound and graphics by the standards of whatever era its from. I understand there are standards in earlier games that are different from today, but what I aim to feel on vidya can be achieved in multiple genres and platforms.
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>>431541193
>build-up of quality
name 53 game series where this happens
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>>431541261
Please do not post my wife in shitposting threads
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>>431540848
Because some old games still haven't been topped, let alone by the cucked western devs who keeps copy pasting everything with zero thought towards gameplay.
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>>431541346
peri..
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>>431541445
Name them
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>>431540458

>We should judge these games as if they were released today
>We do the same with every other media so why is vidya a exception?
>Gee whiz this silent films OST is fucking shit compared Sharknado 5. Clearly it's the superior movie.
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>>431541514
That’s exactly what I’m saying. The color is non existent too. Even if a silent film is perfect it will never be as enjoyable as a film with color and sound
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>>431541309
>SF (which surely got worse but improved as it went on from 1)
>Final Fantasy (it's declined started somewhere too)
>Dragon Quest
>Zelda
>Mario Kart
>TES (kind of until Skyrim)
>DMC
>Tekken
>Mega Man
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>
I could go on but it would take me a little bit of time to write everything down based on my experience.
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>>431540671
Ice Climbers is a "classic" only in the sense that it's fucking old. Every shitty NES game that Nintendo wants you to believe is somehow worth paying for in the current year is now a "classic title."
Nobody would remember Ice Climbers existed if they weren't in Smash. I'd feel satisfied playing a few rounds of it or Balloon Fight on an arcade machine for some quarters but none of them are great proper games on the level of Super Mario Bros or Metroid or The Legend of Zelda.
And by "proper game" I don't just mean having structure, there's plenty of actual arcade-style games that are much more fundamentally solid than awkward NES platformers, like Galaga or Pac-Man and Tetris that can still absolutely be worth a fair price today given enough content and polish.
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>>431540458
Because it was a different time.

If you always judge old stuff by new standards, old stuff will always seem like shit to you.
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>>431541679
Imagine being distracted by colours and sounds, lol
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>>431540458
>We do the same with every other media
Do we? No one says King Kong is a bad movie because of its visual effects.
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>>431541696
I could slog through all of the shit. Or I could not do that and play the best and most advanced from each.
>5
>15
>Don’t play anyway
>BOTW
>8 Deluxe
>Skyrim
>DmC
>7
>11
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>>431540458

Are you sure you want to make that comparison? It would not be favorable...to the modern games.
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>>431541918
No compare vanquish to a 2600 game or a NES game. Then compare it to God Of War
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>>431541918
I miss when western games were good
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>>431542051
Western games were never a thing. All games developed by more then one person who is not 100% western are global games
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>>431541495
Quake 3, Super Metroid, Starcraft, etc
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>>431540496
>>431540549
>>431540586
>>431540606
>>431540621
>>431540671
>>431540834
>>431541261
>>431541445
>>431541514
>>431541918
>>431542051
I guarantee you that three-quarters of these posters unironically
1: Bitch, whine and complain 24/7 about 'modern gaming' and its downfall caused by SJWs
2: Pirate games
3: Think Ocarina of Time is the greatest videogame of all time
4: Was born after 9/11
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>>431540458
>We do the same with every other media
Only dumb fucks do that with literature, film or music, and nobody does with dance, architecture, painting, theatre or sculpture, in which case the contrary is true.
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>>431540458
Technical
Limitations

Why didn't ancient explorers just fly???
Lmao?
The black plague?
Why didn't they just use lysol?
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>>431541847
this is the problem with zoomers.
they have a low attention span which leads them to believe that they only need to play the newest installment of a game.
why not try to test an older game out without cringing?
you would think how based a game is because it lead to the newest one.
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>>431542207
>1: Bitch, whine and complain 24/7 about 'modern gaming' and its downfall caused by SJWs
No its downfall was caused by corporate greed, SJWs are just useful idiots for the corporates who ruined it
>2: Pirate games
Yeah I do, deal with it zoomer faggot
>3: Think Ocarina of Time is the greatest videogame of all time
OOT had an innovative camera control scheme but the game itself was unpolished and boring
>4: Was born after 9/11
Projecting
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>>431540458

It's sort of baffling how little innovation there has been in games since the 90's.
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>>431542361
You'll never relive your days of youth, cope harder and stop projecting/scapegoating your miserable life on a bunch of made-up groups you humongous faggot
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>>431542585
Fuck off zoomer retard
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>>431540458

That's dumb and you're dumb.

If a game is good on release it's good now. Just because people value retarded cinematics more than they should now doesn't mean old games are suddenly bad.

Arguments like:

>durr why doesn't mario 64 look as good as oddyessy
>durr why can't doomguy jump
>etc

Are retarded and not necessary.
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>>431542207

>8 japanese games
>only one western pick
>the western pick isn't even the best game in its own franchise

Hmm...
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>>431542585
Just because I think western games nowadays are the objective trash that they are doesn't mean that I think all modern games are shit you stupid westaboo faggot.
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>>431542675
Those are valid complaints. Ill say the same thing about Oddyessy in 20 years. Games age like milk in every way
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>>431542675

>>durr why can't doomguy jump

Doom in a source port has all the functionality FPS's have had since Quake (e.g. jumping, vertical aiming, etc.).
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>>431542884
Yeah, but unless you're playing a wad designed around being played in a source port that's technically a cheat.
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>>431541193
That's a fair reason, but again, purely looking at the gameplay (which /v/ swears up and down is the ultimate deciding factor in judging a game) why waste your time on a game that plays like a strictly inferior version of something else out there?
The game being the first to do something really doesn't matter if it doesn't do it well.

>>431541445
Of course, a game shouldn't be disregarded just because it didn't come out this generation. Even games that are generally outdated can have unique features that make the experience worthwhile.
The problem is people saying dumb shit like "ya know the camera in Super Mario 64 was really ahead of its time" or "Final Fantasy 7's visuals might be muddy shit textures stretched over a dozen polygons per model but compared to *scoffs* PIXEL art they were really something" as if it's an excuse for those features going from a point of pride to completely obsolete in less than a decade. Both of those games still have strong points, doesn't mean people can't acknowledge their serious flaws too.
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>>431542831
>games need to immerse themselves to the audience
>not the other way around
is this what you're implying? if so, then I feel bad. keep being a gamer, dude.
show 'em how based you are.
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>>431540458
>We do the same with every other media
Are you fucking retarded?
I can't think of 1 medium where people do this unless they are underage or slow
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>>431542831

No, fuck you it's not valid at all. Why should graphics from the fucking n64 be compared to graphics on the switch? That's fucking retarded.

>>431542884

I'm talking about running doom the way it was made, where you can't jump, crouch, or look vertically.
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>>431540458
>Why can’t we judge old video games to modern standards.
Because then we'd need a rating greater than 10/10
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The fuck is OP bitching about
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>>431543118
what about 100/100?
that'll be convincing, huh?
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>>431543060
Why should I give 64 the benefit of the doubt? I don’t need context or years. It’s the year 2018 so I’m judging it by 2018 standards. You can’t and shouldn’t go back
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>>431542973
Don't bother trying to reason with nostalgiafags, 5 years from now they'll all probably die of drug overdose or be locked in a cage and strapped into a virtual world where they can live out their fantasy world where the entire planet is ruled by an alt-right Japanese empire where technology is permanently stuck in the fifth generation
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>>431543225
oh, don't worry. he's just being a faggot again. you know how it always is when dealing with OH PEE.
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>>431541847

The newest final fantasy plays nothing at all like the old ones. Its a totally different experience. I would say that alone is reason enough to play some of the older ones. A lot of the older games have a better story as well so that is another point in their favor. And to top it all off, they are cheaper. Judging grapics and shit by todays standards is literally retarded as the technology simply didn’t fucking exist back then - you can’t just dismiss thousands of games because the aren’t in HD resolution.
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Of course we can judge old games to modern standards. Who says otherwise?
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>>431543427
>Who says otherwise?
Anyone born before this millenium started.
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>>431542831
>Those are valid complaints
No they are not, in the case of doom, the game isn't designed in a way to require jumping so it's pointless to have.
Mario 64 was made in a time where the graphics couldn't look like odessy.

You're fucking dumb
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but people don't do that with movies, you literally fucking morontard chucklefuck idiot?
whens the last time you heard someone say jumanji is shit because the cgi doesn't look good enough?
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>>431543427
As long as I get to judge people compared to their ancestors
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>>431543413
If it plays nothing at all like the old ones then the old style will die unless they put it in 16. If they do it’s the definitive version. If not good riddance
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>>431540458
>We do the same with every other media so why is vidya a exception?

We literally don't. The context of a piece of media's creation is important now matter what the medium. Ignoring that makes it easy to dismiss the past of an art form and lose track of where it's going.
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>>431541264
People regularly compare modern stories (across all mediums) with works of literature written hundreds of years ago.
Almost nobody would argue that modern music is "better" than the music of past decades, just "different" as it's shifted with the culture as it always has.
Advances in CGI, the blockbuster mindset and bloated budgets have diminished the importance of quality cinematography in the modern industry which if anything has lead to older films being appreciated more than they ever were.

Other industries can fairly judge their classics, why not games?
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>>431543668

How can it be the definitive version of anything if it share nothing in common with any of the others? You may as well say that the most recent video game is the “definitive” one.
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>>431543875
>technical limitations
lmao, but it'd be some shit to see someone give mobile apps a 1/10 because it doesn't compare to some bigwig AAA title on the PS4
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>>431543875
That's literally what I said retard
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>>431544004
That’s exactly what I’m saying
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>>431540458
Can we judge not original but source port instead?
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>>431542675
>durr why doesn't mario 64 look as good as oddyessy
If a game looks bad it looks bad. There's a lot more that go into a pleasing aesthetic than the polygon count (but lowpoly sure didn't help a lot of games at the time).
That said out of the "classic" early 3D era games SM64 has held up pretty well, better than OoT and way better than FF7
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>Why can’t we judge old video games to modern standards.

There's this magical thing called Mostalgia that blinds 75% of the
Gaymers and Goymer Goyls out there
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>>431544029
shit, misquoted for >>431542207
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>>431544243

And that’s exactly why no one here agrees with you.
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>>431543875
>Almost nobody would argue that modern music is "better" than the music of past decades, just "different" as it's shifted with the culture as it always has.
And this is PRECISELY what's stupid of putting old videogames to technological estándares of today.
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>>431540458
>Why can’t we judge old video games to modern standards
Because that's fucking stupid.
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>>431543875
>Advances in CGI, the blockbuster mindset and bloated budgets have diminished the importance of quality cinematography in the modern industry

Sounds like modern realism-obsessed story-over-gameplay AAA games.
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>>431545530
>estandares
hi pablo
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>>431540458
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>>431540458
Ah yes everyone shits on Chaplin movies because they're mute
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>>431540458
Please do, games only keep getting worse anyway so the conclusion will always be that the watered down 50th copy is worse than the original





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