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>2004
>14 years old
>I want to be DPS and kill everyone
>2019
>I'll be 29
>want to just heal everyone and be reliable
Anyone else notice how much they've changed over the years?
I think I'm going to roll a Dwarf Paladin, and not a Undead Rogue this time round
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>>434854965
are you me?
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>>434854965
Paladin is a pretty good choice for healer in classic.
>Really nice heals
>Good utility
>Nice buffs
>Hardest class to kill in the game
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>>434855983
Also infinite mana considering they'd start on patch 1.9 talents. Crit heals were free meaning FoL spam was the most effective healing in the game.
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>>434854965
>only the most boring races can be paladins
no ty
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>>434856472
>Dwarf
>not the best race in fantasy
Pick one you fucking fag
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>>434856515
I'm picking Dwarf because I'm a short fuck IRL
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>>434856575
I'm 6'3" and I always pick Dwarf when I can.
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>>434856089
I thought they said it was 1.12 that was the offical patch for classic?
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>>434854965
I've started picking healer classes in most games past few years, I don't trust teammates to be as good as me so someone has to do it
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>>434856736
I'm 6"4 and also strangely pick dwarf for ally, but for horde I prefer trolls.
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>>434856746
My bad. Still though, wasn't 1.9 the last time they did major talent changes? Either way, 1.12 Holy Paladin talents still meant free mana.
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>2004
>i want to be a badass (male)!
>2018
>i want to be a cute girl!
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>>434856736
I'm 5'6" irl, Gnomes can't be Pallys sadly
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>>434856843
>My bad. Still though, wasn't 1.9 the last time they did major talent changes?
Yeah, sometime there with the tbc skills and stuff I think. I remember back then it made things very easy as a warlock, probably same for other classes. Honestly it would make all continent too easy if they started with 1.9
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>>434856924
Shouldn't you be playing a nelf to compensate?
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>>434856842
I like the idea of trolls more than playing them. In vanilla it was between Dwarf Pally and Troll Shaman at the end for me. Ended up Alliance.

>>434856924
I'm sorry for your loss.
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>>434855983
druid or priest is much harder to kill earlier in the game. one well placed counterspell and a paladin is dead. by the end of the game tho, in t3? good luck killing a paladin.
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>>434854965
>roll based on what i thought would have the least competition for loot
>end up playing a resto shaman
>always have priority for spirit mail and spell mail in general
>only competition was uppity healadin fags who would try to take my shields or even worse try to take my mail
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>>434856898
fag
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>>434856994
Excuse you, that's a fucking lie. Shamans were Horde only and Paladins were Alliance only in classic. Fuck you.
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>>434856982
Here for me it was between dwarf hunter and troll hunter mostly. Your choices are good though, kind of a mirror pick.
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I started healing in WoW simply because healer haven't been as pruned. DPS and Tanks are completely fucking braindead now. Healers will never be mind numbing because they are reactive and have utility most of the time
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>>434857134
OP was posting about multiple expansions over a long period of time homo.
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>>434856898
we're talking about wow not real life, chris(tine)
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>>434857150
I would likely have gone Dwarf hunter if they had gotten a pet earlier. I couldn't slog through 1-10 without a pet back then, it was so boring.

>>434857231
Thread is literally called WoW classic fuck you nerd
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>>434857287
I don't think any hunter race/start the first lvl 1-10 is particular bad before you get your first pet, but I can see your point. I always like hunter because of fastest leveling and you dont need help doing difficult quests if you know what you're doing.
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>>434857134
You really think someone would do that?
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>>434854965
>All the priest, druids, shamans and paladins get heal sets
>The warriors only get tanking sets
I wonder if they'll try to change it.
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>>434854965
i havent really changed, i healed in 2004 and i still want to heal in 2018 but they ruined it and now i'm a depressed dps
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>>434857593
Keep in mind I was a 14 year old retard at the time, and auto attacking with Seal of the Righteous seemed much more fun than Serpent Sting and Mongoose Bites

>>434857608
I know, right?
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I still don't understand how people don't grow out of liking brainless grindfests like these.

At least when you're 13 years old and it's the first time going through the zones I can see how there is enough challenge to make it interesting despite the repetitive nature of the game.

But when you're 29 years old, have already seen all the content, done all the grinding before, it seems impossible to endure all those days of playtime just to reach max level.
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>>434857658
I dont think they need to change it, but just tweak some numbers.
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I'll be picking Blood Elf since they're confirmed for classic.
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>>434854965
Do both anyways. Raid AQ40 and get meteor trinket + spell damage gear and oneshot people ezpz
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>>434857768
Also, if you're still grinding a MMO at 30 you probably fucked up somewhere in life

I dont want to sound like a normie, but you really should be earning 75k+ by the time you're 30
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>>434854965
>2005
>Warrior seems like a cool class
>Holy fuck this is hard everyone keeps destroying me
>Oh wow now this is great
>2019
>Warrior seems like a fun class
>Tanking is this easy huh?
>Arms is this mindless huh?
>Well Fury is fun in a braindead way

Once a Warrior, always a Warrior. I've made dozens of alts, some of whom I capped with. But I always have to go back to ol' reliable.
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>>434857987
excuse me don't post my dog
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>>434856515
>playing faggy musclehead manlets
actual fag
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hey
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>>434857987
It's a damn shame that they're going to be as popular as Rogues and Hunters. There are so many videos dicksucking vanilla warriors as the best class in the game. I guess I finally have to git gud to standout.

I really hope addons work for Classic, auto-attack bar is great.
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Dwarves are awesome in some contexts like Dwarf Fortress but they're pretty shit in Warcraft. Almost as shit as Gnomes.
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>>434857768
Sounds like a generationeral problem more, like instant gratification.

>>434857957
Even if you dont have that position you dont have to grind, can play whenever you feel like. But if you mean play games to relax then that has nothing to with it, like there is famous actors/actresses who play video games/wow and same with some rich or wealthy people.
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>>434854965
>dwarf paladin
absolutely based. make sure to laugh at all the cucked human pallys
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>>434857957
Why can't you do both? Unless you have a kid or something
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>>434854965
Yes I too have realized DPS are children and dudebros and responsible adults play tank or heals
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>>434858105
Sounds like someones a virgin
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>>434858419
This pill is hard to swallow but true
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>>434857768
that's because you're:

a) a dirty casual
b) probably haven't ranked/pvp'd in vanilla long enough to know every single trick/gadget/exploit, and utilizing them well.

I'm a bit burnt on the game, but I still think the potential for pure fun in vanilla is very high. Yeah the leveling is a bit harsh, and some of the rep/rank grind is bullshit. But it's the shit you do along the way that makes it worth it.
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>>434857987
>prot warrior
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>>434854965
I've always wondered, what was the tank life like in vanilla? I've always wondered how things work when bosses were immune to taunts and the healer can frequently attract large amounts of attention for no good reason besides existing.
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>>434857658
>str dps itemization was trash or nonexistent
oh yeah, THAT's why I don't remember Vanilla as fondly as others....
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>2004
>Warlock

>2018
>Warlock
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>>434858627
Taunt -> Sunder. Never, ever stop sundering. Sometimes you had to reposition a mob. It was really basic. Dungeon tanking was harder than raid tanking.
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>>434858917
>mage opens up with pyro
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>>434858703
>orc warlock
>mfw
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I know which classes I won't play for sure:
>Rogue

This really helps me decide
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>>434859136
I can help
>Path of Water.
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Which one is your favourite?
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>>434858917
>Prot paladin
>Basically a piece of paper to raid bosses
>Literally unkillable infinite aggro god in dungeons
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>>434858587
Has prot tanking ever been more fun than other tanks? More difficult? Definitely? Better certainly? But more fun. I feel like the only choices I make are whether I revenge or ignore pain. And it’s almost always the latter.
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>>434859375
Except when you run out of mana
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>>434859342
bloodfang and judgement are objectively the best sets ever designed
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>>434859342
As a Tauren warrior main
3>2>1
I would put 1>2 if I were an orc though. But the helmet looks absolutely ridiculous on Tauren.
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>>434854965
$15
D O L L A R S
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>>434859342
even as a Hordefag I knew that pally tier 2 is the dopest armor in the game
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>>434859545
Kind of stupid question, but what happens to your horns with hemlet on? Like t3 warr for example.
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>>434859342

Nemesis Raiment
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>>434859342
Man i love lock t2 hnnng
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>>434859576
I'll pay that, will be cool to play both classic and retail
But yeah for those only interested in classic it's hilariously overpriced assuming they aren't actually adding any content, patches etc.
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They should have made more items like this instead of just piling on stats on top of stats.
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>gnome mage
>human warrior
>human rog
I WANNA PLAY ALREADY FUCK
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healing/tanking was only fun for me at cata release with droods
for everything else , dk tank and mage
fuck healing
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>>434854965
I didn't know WoW had a Deadpool plate armor set. Mizazzle
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>>434859780
>Fun itemization
>Modern Blizzard
Pick one.
The legendaries in Legion were a fluke, evident by how they haven't returned.
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>>434859758
Everyone seem to like the aesthetics of t2 designs the most. Only priest and shaman I think are better in t3.
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>>434859786
Remember to buy our virtual ticket goyim for a demo
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I'm playing a true Ret/holy hybrid. Deals decent damage just by keeping a seal up every 30 sec and I can dedicate the rest of my mana to healing and utility.
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>>434859342
1. Bloodfang
2. Judgment
3. Dreadnaught
As a Warlock I think the only nice sets we had are the T5 set and T8.5 sets(quit in TBC so never got to use any of them)
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>>434859342
T2 Mage is best designed and most asethetic
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>>434859780
>+56 strength
>+however many critical strike
>one actual unique trait
There are still plenty of items like this.
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>>434859926
Legendaries were the one thing that diablo 3 got right. Granted it completely killed the value of literally any other drop but the ability to swap out entire builds is actually kinda nice.

Legion fucked it up with RNG legendaries and then they thought it was funny to port over the nether crucible to azsherite armor instead of fun legendaries.
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>>434859780
they shouldn't have removed defensive stats, it was a good way to water down pve gear
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>>434859660
I’m pretty sure in the original t3 they clipped through so you had 4 horns. But in the remodel for WotLK they were hidden.
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>>434860312
Yeah I was wondering if it were clipping or not. I think if they do new engine it will be like wotlk then.
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>>434857658
Just wear non tier set loot.
There's DPS plate, spell mail, leather dps gear.
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I want to be a healer but I also don't want to be squishy, how do I do this?
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>>434859926
Legendaries were great save for the RNG. But they mostly fixed that problem with the last patch. They should have just done that from the beginning. And even go a step further by letting you choose which legendaries you want to buy. And then if you wanted to you could still have them as random drops from bosses/raids so people got the excitement from getting new gear which was the point of randomizing them in the first place. The only problem would be if you got doubles, but they could just code that not to happen.

>buy a legendary
>need a second one to complete my build
>get it in my daily mythic

People still get to feel lucky AND you can still work to get the ones you need.
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>>434860153
How does one use this effectively?
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>imagine wanting to pay a monthly fee for an incredibly flawed game from 2004 that will never get any new content
PATHETIC. WoW fans are huge cucks.
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>>434860586
Don't skip blessing of kings what the fuck
Also you don't need prot talents to be tanky, shield, plate, purge, bof, bop is enough to survive bad situations. Vanilla isn't all talents, you are tanky with 0 prot points (but seriously get bok)
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Is it healthy for a game to have a lvl 40 BiS for a specific talent tree?
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>>434857957
>75k+ by 30

What fantasy world do you live in where everybody in society has access to that income bracket?
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>>434860678
You pop it in pvp right before you will get blinded/sheeped so you will take damage by it and break the CC
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>>434860792
Having the mindset to ask a question like that is what leads to bad games
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>>434854965
>Wow Classic - LK
Play Hunter then DK, loved tanking

>Nost
Played Warlock because i wanted a class that wasn't overpopulated

>Classic if i get time
Priest/Druid because they're always needed + new role
Warrior because i love tanking
Mage because i want to be able to solo stuff
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>>434860627
Those aren't really Legendary; considering how easy they were to acquire.
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>>434854965
I only ever play tank on any game regardless of what it is, it's just a natural magnetism towards sticking to enemies in melee
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>>434859342
All of them are great, an argument can be made that Blizz didn't made a single bad set up to T6.
Although Pala T1 shoulders are retarded.
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>>434860586
redoubt and shield spec are the better choice, imp devo and anticipation are crap, add imp RF if you want to tank some stuff
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>>434860880
And then you die because draining 60% of your MAX HP in a PvP setting is insane
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>>434860913
If you want to play a class that isn’t overpopulated, don’t play warrior or even Mage.

I’m pretty sure in terms of raw popularity it went Hunter>Rogue>Warrior>Mage In classic on most servers. And now people are more aware then ever how crucial and good warriors are (outside of their heavy gear dependence and terrible solo play) so I imagine they’re going to be close to the top spot.
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>>434860586
a properly geared paladin is never squishy. your spec sucks tho. some people play full prot, rest into holy. I've always liked running around with divine favor/reckoning. you can still do great healing, but you can also swap to a 2hander and oneshot a rogue/mage.
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>>434854965

I always mained healer because I thought most healers acted like special snowflakes and it pissed me off.

>Oh no my Warrior stepped in a flame guess it's time for me to stop healing him to show him a lesson.

Fuck those people, it's your fucking class job to heal, if you could save the raid from every mistake instead you feel like being a bitch and use your responsibility to met out justice.

I was a healer for the 10th guild to get hard mode Grand Crusades.
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>>434861069
>draining 60% of your MAX HP
>mfw even that wouldn't kill me
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>>434859576
what are the odds they sell classic to us again for $60?
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>>434861069
You only allow one tick of the damage to break the CC and then you cancel it, so you don't really take that much damage. Skull is in most priv server pvp videos, it's a great tool
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>>434860987
If I lived in a perfect world that would be epics, dungeon and raid gear would mostly be rares. And legendaries would involve long quest chains with raid/dungeon content to get. But I’m trying to just make reasonable tweaks to what we got.
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>>434861134
I actually really want to play Druid, because they always seemed cool.
But they're really sub par until TBC
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As a Warlock will I get raidspots if I play fairly casually and don't socialize a lot in a guild?
I like teaming up to complete objectives and shit but I dont like socializing outside of it just for the sake of it

Something about vanilla Horde makes me want to play it as a weary orc Warlock.
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>>434854965
Same. Doing big heals and good tank jobs are all I really give a shit about. DPS? DPS is so fucking easy in Vanilla. It's a brain dead role.
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>>434861069
It's retail screenshot, here is vanilla version.
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>>434861183
this isn't unbuffed.
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>>434857798
*anyway
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>>434854965
im rolling a holy pally and my bro is rolling a warrior and we are going to be unkillable
because we both counter our counters
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>>434856746
Holy light became OP as fuck in the last update they did before TBC since it had a +35% crit chance so anyone stacking crit could just spam it.
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>>434861265
Warlocks are usually needed in raids, it's one of the rarer classes so you will be wanted for blood pact and the curses
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>>434854965
>2004
>13
>just want to be that rogue who is a massive faggot
>2019
>I'll be 28
>after playing many games in between, now I just want to be the juggernaut Warrior. Will tank if nobody else steps up.
I remember tanking LFR Elegon and WotE as an off-tank Arms Warrior when the tanks fell in the fucking hole for Elegon, and the OT couldn't stomach WotE. Was kinda my first real taste of tanking, I would wager, and I could never really go back ever since.
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>>434861256
Yeah I honestly might not play classic unless they say “classic will give the option to progress to BC.” I much preferred BC even terms of simple class balance, let alone content.

But you can’t do proper class balance in Vanilla without cries from the community.
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The only people who want 40 man raids back are kids who never got to experience the joy of competing with 39 other retards for gear. Change my mind.

Also, DKP.
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>>434861265
>Warlock in classic
Enjoy farming well over 40 soul shards before the raid starts. Enjoy that. Really.
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>>434861265
>>434861406
He wont be able to put his dots up, vanilla debuff limit.
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>>434859780
As a frost mage, this is my favorite item in the game.
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FOUR STRENGTH
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>>434854965
Im the opposite

>2005
>17
>holy paladin
>pretty much forced to heal
>was actually good so people relied on me
>max amount of stress and responsibility
>had to farm mats for potions

>2018
>30
>Just want to chill out and play a selfish dps class like mage or rogue
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>>434860913
I don't know how accurate private vanilla server statistics are, but have a look yourself:
http://vanillaradar.com/elysium-stats/
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>>434861406
Warlocks were needed for one thing, and that was summons. Otherwise, every single thing they brought to a fight, a shadow priest did better in vanilla.
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>>434861510
40 mans are coming back. You'll play it or go back to retail or just don't play at all.
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>>434857768
THE.
PVP.
IS.
FUN.

Please read those words. Then read them again. Did you do it? One more time please.

Did you ream them carefully? Notice what I didn't say. I didn't say "Classic WoW PVP is the great PVP of any game ever!" That would untrue, right? Of course. What did I write instead? I wrote that the PVP for Vanilla WoW happens to be fun. Which it is. Do you know what other games have fun PVP? None released this decade, that's for sure.

You see, back in Ye Olden Days, PVP was """imbalanced""". Or, to be more specific, it what is called imbalanced on WoW forums by whiny lazy Gen X housewifes with spending power. In Ye Olden Days (2004-2006) you could one shot people by burning your burst CDs. This made tons of lazy, whiny Gen Xers upset. Because they have a baby in the other room and there's no way they're going to waste their precious time parenting their child. Their stupid fucking half-assed attempt at playing WoW is far more important. So they ran to internet forums and complained. So then the PVP became a hyper-managed, zero-fun-allowed system where no "imbalance" is allowed to happen. But it turns out when you make literally every class in a game functionally 99% the same, the PVP stops being fun.

Sometimes it's fun to gank and it's fun to be chased down by a ganker. And it's fun when your class is completely different than someone else's class and you two can complement each other and work towards a common goal. No modern MMOs have this anymore. It's a little, tiny, forgotten thing called good game design.
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>>434861540
only shitter guilds put up with late people

>>434861651
>>434861580
clueless
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>>434861247
I played Vanilla WoW casually. I never raided and never had a problem with being in all blues from running dungeons. My first epic in WoW was tier set 0.5. I'm just not a fan of being handed this "illusion" of good gear. It's like Blizzard treats me like a child. "Congrats on finishing this world quest all by yourself; here's a RANDOM Titanforged epic; good job!"
Vanilla WoW had it pretty well designed. There was a small chance for final bosses in dungeons to drop an epic. With raids handing out epics and a small chance for legendary. Though I think entry level raids should have been split between rares and epics.
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>>434861540
farming full shard bag takes 20min mate who cares lol, if you are turned off by that then maybe this isn't the expansion for you
>>434861580
Curses are always up mate, CoE CoS CoR is priority #1 on bosses and main targets, I'm not talking about DoTs (though those are used as well in 1.12)
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>>434861651
the hell are you on about, warlocks are superior to spriests in every way when it comes to raiding
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>>434861510
>DKP in 2018

Loot council with a trustworthy leader is the way to go.
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Pic related is Warrior DPS BiS until C'thun. How do you feel about that?
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>>434861510
No one uses DKP anymore
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>>434861829
You just described dkp.
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>>434861651
You haven't raided in vanilla, spriests are brought for the sole reason to add +15% shadow damage to the boss (which benefits a certain class hmm)
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>>434861510
>>434861829
50 DKP MINUS!!
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>>434861540
>Enjoy farming well over 40 soul shards before the raid starts. Enjoy that. Really.

oh no, you have to go out in the world with your char at MAX LEVEL and do stuff instead of just camping in the capital
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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how can i push myself to get past level 30 in this shit. every time a roll on a pserver i just lose interest after im done with thousand needles
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>>434861212
I'd buy it even if it was $200 so long as they promised not to add in a bunch of AIDS infected post 1.12 shit
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>>434854965
Shutup heal slut and heal my perfect Death knight ass
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>>434862047
you think you do but you don't is the president now, classic is pretty much guaranteed to fail.
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>>434862037
Kek, those shimmering flats quests is brutal. Drop rate sucks, at least you get some pvp action if ur lucky.
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>>434862052
>classic
>death knights
back you go
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>>434861540
Warlock in Vanilla was fun as fuck.
You got grouped easy, raids wanted you and while you have a boring af rotation - you look like a boss with a fun 100% mount q
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>>434857658
AQ set changed this, it was the hybrid warrior's wet dream. Also plenty of good plate DPS drops in raiding; Draketalon Pauldrons, Helm of Endless Rage, Flameguard's, etc
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>>434861785
Yeah I called 60 like two months before BC’s release so I didn’t see any reason to get crazy geared. I did love getting my dungeon set though.

I think what you’re suggesting is a good system. Rares for normal dungeons and all LFR. Slightly better rares as most of the gear for normal entry level raids and for heroic/mythic dungeons. Epics for heroic/mythic raids and mythic+ as well as later non-entry raids. Class specific legendaries involving class quests, raid content, dungeon content, etc.
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>>434861651
Please direct me to the vastly superior Shadow Priest version of Curse of Elements, Curse of Tongues, Healthstones, Soulstones, Hellfire and fuck, even Seduction
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>>434862037
I feel u senpai, my motivation to level on pservers is so low
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>>434862006
>>434861805
>>434861776
If you are truly masochistic enough to enjoy farming 40+ soul shards and filling your bags with shit for 30+ minutes before a raid, then going to DM:E and getting your buffs, and then expected to be first there and summon Chad slobs, then sure, Warlock is 100% for you.
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Can you not buy weapons with shards anymore? dafuq
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>>434861651
People always say this, "Warlocks in raids were only good for health/soul stones and summons"

Okay, sure. You're not wrong. BUT THE AMOUNT OF SUFFERING REQUIRED TO OBTAIN AND MANAGE DOZENS OF SOUL SHARDS SHOULD COME WITH THE REWARD OF A GUARANTEED RAID SLOT

That fucking shit was cancer. i DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS BUT SOUL SHARDS DIDNT STACK
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>>434854965
For years I was scared to heal because I didn't want to fuck a group or raid over. But now I have fun with it since I never did it for 10 years.
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>>434861936
You seem to be confused.
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>>434862037
Have a friend you want to keep up with or a guild you're eager to contribute to with max level content, social interaction is a driving force in vanilla.
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>>434859342

Druid T1

Pally T2

No standouts to me in t3, Mage maybe.
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>>434862324
sorry wrong thread
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>>434857957
Where do you live that 70k USD/year is standard income for a 30 year old?
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>>434862349
This
>The people arguing with me RIGHT NOW about stating this eternal Fact
/v/ never changes.
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>>434862294
it's all worth it when you can summon infernals on your own side
force flag people with eye of killrog
Curse of Recklesness on low level mobs making them global people
Gnomish mind control casters then Dark sacrificing their mana
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>>434859342
>Tier 1
Giantstalker/Might
>Tier 2
Ten Storms/Nemesis
>Tier 3
Gundam Paladin and Tuskan Raider Warlock
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>>434862349
Could warlocks not get soul shards while inside the raid from trash mobs?
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>>434862349
>>434862425
It's obvious vanilla locks take it in the ass senpai. :^)
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>>434862417
I’m 24 and making 66k yearly. I did land a great job though. Saving for my masters and once that’s done I can easily work for 75k in my 30s.

Good education, certifications in various things, and good recommendations my man.
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>>434862531
They could
Posters are just b8ing
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>>434862148
except you can't actually use that mount if you're not a complete shitter, have fun mounting with it during a premade game, with curse of tongues on you.
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>2007
>16 years old
>Want to dps and kill every one
>2016
>Tank
>Tired of every ones shit
>Have fun griefing people in randos knowing they have to put up with my shit because I am a decent tank

I think I will roll warrior tank and have fun being the biggest asshole of the group
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>>434862294
>>434862349
I can't tell if you guys are trolling
If you are 3 warlocks in a raid (minimum, since you need all 3 curses) that's max 14 summons per person = 14 soulstones = 10 min farming, MAX (meanwhile, consumables in vanilla wow takes hours and hours to farm)
2nd of all in what world do you not move together to the instance? You realize if you summon ppl 1 and 1 nobody will get to keep their world buffs?
Stop spreading false information, please
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>>434862531
1:) that would take too long
2:) that would be lazy and make you look bad
3:) it is easier to hand out shards, etc. before pulling
4:) you need shards to summon people to the raid

>>434862562
Yes that is why I don't play one lol
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>>434862531
Sure, but if you're summoning 20 lazy niggers prior to the raid and several more throughout, you either need to prefarm out your ass or continuously jump in and out of the raid with two orbiters to keep summoning. You see, you can't summon someone into an instance in vanilla, only outside, unless they're also inside the instance.
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>>434862531
it was a channel spell. you think the trash mobs are getting killed one at a time?
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>>434854965
i've done enough healing over 3 expansions, going rogue whenever it comes out.
i'm can't wait for how shitty blizzard will execute on it.
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>>434861061
Tier 4 had some of my most favorite designs in WoW, everything went downhill after TBC
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>>434859576
source? can't find it anywhere
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Is this the most useless shit in all of Vanilla WoW? I was a Demo Lock and even I didn't know why anyone would want this.
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I'm done with classic wow threads, guys if you need information about the game just go to some private server forum and ask a question there, so many people are posting here without knowing anything about the game, unfortunately
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>>434862761
As a warrior I much preferred t5 and t6 but t4 had some good designs for other classes. Also I still really enjoyed WotLK but after that was the point of no return.
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>>434862632
healthstones. soul stones. summons. demons.
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>>434862696
>>434862678
>>434862696
But where is this idea that you need 100 soul shards before the raid coming from?
When I did raids; there were 5 locks. Each trash mob you killed in the raid is giving you 5 soul shards. And you're probably a lot of trash between bosses.
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>>434862761
This, I dont know why but the whole achievements thing for wotlk was so depressing somehow...
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>>434862868
Playing a Warlock is for fags and soul shard farming is a needless pain in the alpha dick. FACT. Fucking FACT.
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>>434862864
>not picking it for the memes so your infernal and doomguard can rape enemy faction 10% harder before proceeding to rape your own faction
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Can't wait to run a ton of ZG
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>>434862864
The best part is it actually started as a 5-fucking-point talent with only 2% increases per rank instead of vice versa

The only use I can think of is using it for a dedicated Winterspring demon farming spec
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>>434862632
>Forgetting soul stones
>Forgetting the need to summon people inside if they die and corpse run
>Forgetting the endless amount of healthstone hand-outs
>Forgetting the cost of summoning demons
>Forgetting the cost of shadowburn (if you take it, lol)
So no, each Warlock will not need a minimum of 14 shards. They will need to be first on the scene to each location to summon people for world buffs (1 in SW, 1 in DM:E, 1 in BB). Meaning they will have to carry more than 14 soul shards. And therfore do more work. For zip#

Warlock = cuck life
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>>434863008
>>434863058
Hmmm it might be useful for trolling in wpvp
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>>434863058
Those winterspring felguards better be fucking worth it.
>tfw patch 1.9 introduces felguard with charge, cleave as lock pet with 1 pt talent for ez mode
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>>434859342
judgement > bonescythe > cenarion raiment
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>>434863297
>This is bad
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>>434857658
>>All the priest, druids, shamans and paladins get heal sets
>>The warriors only get tanking sets
>I wonder if they'll try to change it.

>druid gear is all healing focused despite them having the ability to also be tanks and melee/spell dps
I tried making moonkin work in a vanilla private server
it was okay if you're fine with wearing tons of cloth and bringing a healing set to swap around during raids and generally contributing to the team
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>>434863371
Is it? Hmm, okay. I just think it's a funny quirk but alright.
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>>434862923
You use soul shards for your own moves too, Shadowburns and demon summons and keeping up constant soulstones, good Warlocks also handed out healthstones to their raid for big damage encounters or just to alleviate the healers a bit in general, and people also have to hearth and repair midway so that's more shards. I have definitely seen warlocks with 50+ shards run out by the end, and if your group sucks and wipes on bosses a few times? You're even more behind.
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>>434859342
Look all this passion and effort to make every set unique and good and compare it what we have nowdays
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>>434860073
Found the watercooler
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>>434863378
Some of the wow devs were fags from EQ who basically resented anything that wasnt a pure class. One of them also mained warrior and somehow this class turned out to be the best tanking class, best dps pve lategame and best pvp class when fully geared. I dont remember the other EQ devs but one of them probably played rogue or some gay shit, would explain the rogue faggotry pre 1.2 patch.
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>>434859342
Prophecy, Judgment, Bloodfang and Dreadnaught are my favourites.

Special recognition goes to: Might & Wrath.
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>>434863510
>ragged scary deadly feral
>cute disney puppy
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>>434863510
>Soul
vs.
>Soulless
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>>434863297
That's only if you're a fur(r)y faggot, big dick 2handers don't care about that shit
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>>434863831
>thinking you can raid as Arms
wew laddy
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>>434863992
Uh, excuse me. Fury 2H exists and is very good DPS sir.
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>>434863451
>and people also have to hearth and repair midway so that's more shards
lol who the fuck does this
use a repairbot
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>>434861583
i really miss fun and interesting items in wow
>spell reflector
>stun helmet
>that sword that spawns a demon
>rocket boots
>quest items that stun, root etc
can't have that in a super serious e-sport game i guess
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>>434863992
you can, on horde. at least in MC.
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>>434864035
>lol who the fuck does this
You would be surprised
If your guild is terribad / learning mechanics they can run out of repair bots.
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Are you expected to dps as a holy paladin in raids? I play a shaman on retail and always try to weave in some dps when there's not much to heal.
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What does +7 Swords do again?
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>>434856982
Trolls are cool since transmog, a troll in cloth or plate always looked fucking stupid.
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>>434861212

classic was 45$ at launch and I've got the goddamn boxes to prove it

IT ALSO CAME WITH A FREE MONTH
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>>434864146
>Are you expected to dps as a holy paladin in raids?
You might be expected to judge certain seals but not usually, and no there's no expectation to DPS.

>>434864176
Reduces chance to do a glancing blow. It's a massive melee DPS increase against raid bosses. That's why Human / Orc are the best Warrior DPS races, because of the +5 mace / sword / axe racials.
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>>434864176
+7 weapon skill with swords, as you gain +5 max skill every time you level up it's essentially making you swing as though you were 1 1/2 levels higher than you really were, reducing the chance for your white hits to glance and boosting hit chance slightly.
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>>434864142
at that point I'd just call it quits for the night and try again next week because people are getting burnt out
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>>434861212
>>434864305
>Paid £8 for my boxed copy of WoW back in 2006
No idea what that was about. Wasn't even srhink wrapped.
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>>434861212
>>434862047
>>434864305
Didnt some german leaker said it would be free if you already sub to retail, otherwise like 5$ per month or something. I dont expect it too be to expensive, the blizzcon demo on the other hand...
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>That Question & Answer stream earlier today
>Mfw

For those of you who haven't seen it
>https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/8066-Developer-Q-A-Ion-Hazzikostas

I just need to ask one question to everyone here in this thread, are we in the miniority that are disappointed with BfA; everything from the story/writing/narrative, to the Azerite System, and some of the shortcomings and issues with a slew of classes?
Instead of answering questions, all Ion did was lawyer down and tip-toe over everything without really answering the majority of questions. Not to mention them doubling-down on Azerite, respect rates, and encouraging us and some classes to carry around 4+ types of Azerite sets in our inventory at any given time.
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>>434863208
Just drop an infernal outside the kobold mine and then watch the chaos
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>>434864523
>Trusting random internet leaks
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>>434854965
>14
I want to be an undead priest and grief people with mind control
>29
I want to be an undead priest and grief people with mind control
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>>434864331
Don't forget Dwarves and their mace skill for the long con of the double Misplaced Servo Arm dream, Humans might have it and Swords, but Dwarves have other god tier racials too especially for Rogues
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>>434864572
Kek, I guess we will find out. Blizzard seems to have made some bad choices as of lately, maybe they are in need of more shekels.
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>>434854965
>tfw love paladin aesthetic but can't handle standing in the back and healing in a teal dress
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>>434864551
Are you trolling? No
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>original vanilla
>I want to DPS

>classic vanilla
>I want to DPS now that I actually know what I'm doing.
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>>434864551
>Sleight of Hand
meh
>Heightened Senses
That's not bad, PvP gear is extremely lacking in hit to begin with and Stealth detection is what gets you the opener first and wins Rogue dittos
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>>434864551
threat detection is useless for wpvp
stealth detection is useful
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>>434864672
>tfw love paladin aesthetic but can't handle standing in the back and healing in a teal dress
Nothing wrong with looking like a crossdresser in 2018 lad
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>>434854965
>ever playing as any class but priest
>being a fag
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>>434864082
>level 30 BoP drop from a rare spawn mob in a stray corner of arathi highlands drops a "stuns the target for x seconds" trinket
>nobody else knows what the fuck it is
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>>434864839
Yeah, Tidal Charm.
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>>434864540
nah im a facebook normie and i checked in on all the fb comments and there was nothing but people upset with blizz
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>>434864906
that's the one
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>>434864672
>hating on the manly dress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w
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>>434864673
>>434864771
>>434864796
I'm thinking more about the reduce ranged attack things, might help with gay Huntards
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>>434857658
Esfand had a neat idea about this. After Naxx has been out for some time and the game has been played too death his idea was some new 60 content with gear full of sidegrades that have set bonuses that give the classes some use with their other specs. Like a paladin 3.5 set that turns Judgment into a taunt at the 5 or 8 piece bonus. Or a 3.5 druid tier set that gives their bear and cat forms more oomph. I don't hate the idea so long as it happens after everyone's had their fill of vanilla or they open up pristine servers that don't have any of that shit.
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>>434858319
I guess? Now that I'm older I do have less time and therefore less patience for games. I don't put up with games anymore that force you to do boring stuff before you can get to the fun parts.

>>434858534
Leveling isn't just a bit harsh, it's awful. How long does it take to get to level 60? Around 200 hours of repetitive grinding? Fuck that.

>>434861687
Meh, the PvP is alright.
I just wish it didn't have this shitty system where a level difference of >2 levels made any fight a complete stomp.
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>>434864082
gnomish mind control helm
rod that turns you into a furbolg
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>>434864082
>that one quest item that turns you into a furbolg
>infinite use, no cooldown
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>>434865134
>I just wish it didn't have this shitty system where a level difference of >2 levels made any fight a complete stomp.
that's literally the opposite of how vanilla wow works
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegQzuyrS_E
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>>434864973
You may have no business playing a Rogue.
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>>434863297
Had this drop twice on private server. Major good feels
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XVtDMipgFw
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>>434865134
>I just wish it didn't have this shitty system where a level difference of >2 levels made any fight a complete stomp.
this doesn't happen

the only times when the level difference matter is when you get to 5+ and that's only because spell resists and weapon hits/misses etc become more of a thing
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>>434864973
Oh well not at all then, Hunters don't give a shit at all about such modifiers.
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>>434858289
>friend watches vanilla PvP warrior videos and is convinced he's going to destroy as a warrior
>repeatedly remind him that world PvP as a warrior is miserable
>leveling is miserable
>you'll be forced to be a shitty tank in 5 mans if you go fury or arms
>you'll have to do shit DPS in raids up until you get the gear to do everything
>even then you need full consumables, a pocket healer, and to master switching between stances for different situations
>this takes months at the absolute very least and that's assuming you get the gear as soon as it drops
>he's still gungho and is going straight into AV once he hits 51

Also, friendly reminder that 80% of badass warrior PvP videos from vanilla were during that short period where Blizzard goofed and gave them an extra talent point so they could go both mortal strike and death wish.
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>>434865137
>no area restriction
>lost it when you turn in the quest
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>>434865382
When will this fucking cuck release his sound files? I have been searching for "You call yourself an athlete? You think you can top my strength? Pathetic!" for ages now
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>>434865489
>turning in the quest
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>>434861687
PVP felt fun back then because every class was unique and had something that other classes did not

Also: Ironically, PVP is more imbalanced and broken than it ever was as certain classes get everything and other classes get nothing

This is also the reason why nobody is interested in PVP in WoW anymore because playing one arena for 20 minutes because Tanks and Healers are unkillable is just NOT FUN. PERIOD
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>>434865307
It reduces the hit chance by 6%, that's pretty good m8
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>>434865505
It's from a wrestling thing. Dont remember what.
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I fucking love the clown costume days. They could of really fixed this with a color palette option like in the current diablo or ff14.
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>>434865505
The only cuck is you. Get your own sound effects poser
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>>434865585
.......lol
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>>434865417
One of my fondest memories of vanilla was a 7 minute slapfight with a 33 gnome mage with my 29 tauren shaman and winning. Earthshock became my favourite thing in the world that day.
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>>434865475
I guess he watched this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwSR1SHYZRI
Dont forget to tell him warr is expensive too with repair costs.
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>>434865505
I'm going to fuck you in every room so that no matter where you go, you will remember me.
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>>434865475
The class is so heavily reliant on gear, unless your guild is doing well and feeding you free loot, you will be a nobody for a very long time.
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>>434865134
Except you could easily dominate people 5 levels higher than you unless you were a very unlucky caster and get resist chained, and if you roll with a group you could take out a 60 as early as in your mid-30s
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>>434865684
I just want the source you dirty juggalo
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>>434865382
>mfw they nerfed Stoneskin so it couldnt remove blind anymore AND it shared Cooldown with PvP trinket
>but they didnt nerf Will of the Forsaken to break fear and it did NOT share cooldown with PvP trinket

This really goes to show that the devs were homofaggot niggers that were buttmad that Dwarf rogue > Undead rogue.
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>>434861687
>Mage in 2004

You can kill people quickly but other people also can kill you quickly

>Mages in 2019

You can't kill people quickly but other people can kill you quickly
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>>434865475
i would recommend all dps warriors to find a feral and suck his dick, it will make gearing so much easier because you're never getting invited to anything otherwise
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>>434865417
when me (warlock) and my mage fren were leveling at nesingwarys in classic we easily kited around a lvl 60 paladin who thought he could gank us, he eventually gave up. id say 1 out of 3 spells hit him
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I either want to play 16 hours a day or not at all, I still can't make up my mind.
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>>434859342
>Tier 1
I have a soft spot for Might even though looking back it's kind of silly, but nothing will ever beat the night I got the helmet, shoulders, and boots in one night. I felt like a fucking king at 15 years old.

>Tier 2
Judgment. Obviously. That being said, the only bad sets in this tier are Dragonstalker and Wrath. Everything is pretty damn aesthetic.

>Tier 3
Dreadnaught falls into the same pool as Might for me. It's a little goofy now that I'm seeing it now, but I felt so fucking powerful when I got my first and only piece of Dreadnaught.
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>>434865782
It was the EQ devs fault.
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>>434865809

>mage in 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

pom pyro
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>>434865809
I've mained a mage since tbc, this shit right here. Can't have fun like in the old days with powerful frostbolts and slows.
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>>434865826
I'm just gonna have 2 chars that I'll play casually and level at my own pace

its not like the servers are gonna be going anywhere with classic
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>>434865782
They changed Blind to a physical debuff in TBC, and made it on cooldown with PvP trinkets in WoD, while Will of the Forsaken WAS put on cooldown with PvP trinkets in WoTLK. The bias isn't as real as you think.
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Can you level in a moderated time just by questing and not doing any dungeons in between?
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>>434865943
Are casters fun? I've always played melee DPS/tanking. It always seemed like waiting in one spot while a cast finished would suck.
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>>434864973
The important part is the stealth detection. More worth it if you're a human because then you'll never lose a rogue mirror
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>>434865698
my first level 40 was a tauren shaman
>back for another tour of duty in 'nam
>recently got windfury eager to try it in pvp
>see a mage
>frost shock him to slow him down, run up to him and right-click
i miss being a noob in a world of noobs
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>>434866191
Yeah. In fact it's actually faster. But fuck that. I'm going to tank my way to 60 via 5 mans.
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>>434865382
I never understand wpvp youtubers who include videos of them getting the jump on people.

I mean, you're ambushing them not battling or fighting them fair. Which is fine but it's not really a show of your skill. You don't know what the other guy was doing while auto-running on his mount or his character was eating/drinking. Maybe the dude is on the phone or spaced out, picking his nose, or whatever.
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>>434865943
Don't forget the WOTLK launch when arcane was overpowered as all hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVxUG8RZL4
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>>434866209
Warlocks are fun, Priests and Mages aren't but are also the absolute best at their roles.
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>>434866091
Why did they not put WotF on pvp cd in TBC then?
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>>434866268
You will probably get better gear that way, just more downtime between finding groups which might slow your lvling vs solo qs.
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>>434866325
Are you really asking why they didn't make smart PvP design choices during the Stunherald and lolglaive meta?
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>>434866271
>Maybe the dude is on the phone
Not in 2005 he wasn't. Unless he was playing snake on his nokia.
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>>434866271
he's just poking fun, jump to 3:41 and you'll see
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So....

I've been working on my new PVP video...

you...uhhh...

Wanna see it?
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>>434865625
that's TBC tho
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>>434866541
LET THE BODIES THE THE FLLLOOOOO
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>>434866465
It is what I basically said before. The devs were biased towards undead rogues and did not like that Dwarf rogues beat their ass.

Just watch Roguecraft. Literally 0 dwarves
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>>434854965
I feel like as a kid, the world revolved around me. Now I'm more satisfied when me and my coworkers are doing our jobs effectively. So yeah, I guess like how you've changed.
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>>434866541

>45 minutes
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>>434866475
i meant like on the phone talking
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>>434866191
>just by questing
no, dungeons are slow too. You do the efficient quests and you fill in the gaps with grinding
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>>434866191
I'd recommend doing dungeons at least once. Just get a sucker to pick up all the quests for you and don't stop questing until your group fills up. Even then it can be a gamble, but it usually pays off. Even better if you've got a group of 5 mates or have a solid guild. Taking an hour out of your leveling to do a dungeon can lead to a level and a half if you're quick enough and good enough. Dungeons like SM Cath, SM Arms, RFK, and Mara have some dope gear that lasts for a long ass time and is worth doing. Hell, Mara has a ring that is BiS for physical classes until MC.
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Any plate wears here, do you remember what your average Armor rating was in Vanilla?
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>>434854965
>>434855617
low iq posts
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>>434854965
>2005-2009
>tank everything
>2018
>anxiety because I don't know the fights
>only do LFR
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>>434854965
>play hunter in vanilla
>play priest from wrath ->bfa
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>>434866839
10k+ armor for tanking
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>>434866541
I wonder how many people know that this was actually a parody based on another video
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>>434866820
>Unbreakable
I'm going shaman with the intention of healing and even then I still hope I get my chance at Hand of Rag. I will fucking horde every last bit of DKP for that motherfucker. Windfury killing gnome mages in one hit. 4 STRENGTH 4 STAM LEATHER BELT? UGH OOOGH
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>>434864736
Raiding is going to be really weird in classic and nothing like Vanilla. People will actually know what they're doing, information will be everywhere and the best builds and gear progression paths will be extremely clear cut.

Everyone is definitely going to know what they're doing this time around. I still remember Warrior DPSing with a fucking garbage rotation and still getting invited to raid nights because no one knew any better. And I was a clicker for the longest time too.
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>>434867005
>Shaman
>Hand of Rag
Mfer you are going to stick with Nightfall and like it you bitch.
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>>434859342
Coming from /fa/ here
played my main dwarf hunter from launch-legion
was in a hardcore guild during just LK played casually the rest of the time.

>Druid - T3 is the most /fa out of all the tiers and classes.
>Hunter - depends on race - dwarf looks silly in T1, but amazing in T3. Would say T2 is the most /fa all around
>Mage - all around worst. Will say T1 is most /fa but that's just because it's the least gaudy.
>Paladin - T2 is the most /fa and the closest runner-up to Druid T3. Pally T3 is also very high up.
> Priest - very tough. All three are pretty great. Gonna say T3 is the most /fa for them, but honestly, all three are equally /fa. (Shadowpriest would look better in 2/3 though)
>Rouge - T2, no contest. Just wish the chest wasn't a short sleeve.
>Shaman - close between T2 & T3. But, I think it's obvious that T2 is more /fa. It's a lot more daring stylistically. You have to be confident to wear it out.
>Warlock - T3. The color scheme is very complimentary. The hood is also extremely /fa. I do prefer the cut on the T1 robe, but its design is a bit much.
>Warrior - This might be the toughest to decide on. Orc looks best in T1 hands down, and definitely a top 5 look. However, only orcs look good in T1. Overall, I give it to T3 because of its subtlety.
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>>434866839
no but i remember that great feeling when you got level 40 and learned how to wear plate and rushed out to buy that super overpriced lvl 40 green iron plate set

then went out to fight stuff and marvelled at how little damage they did to me
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>>434867083
>I browse a fashion board so I am uniquely authoritative on item set designs from a 2004 MMORPG
Power Word: Aut
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>>434867014
>warrior
>and a clicker
The true vanilla experience
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could you dual spec in vanilla?

i like being ret and tank pally

thats what id do again
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>>434867383
No, also paladins heal or fuck off.
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>>434867383
>could you dual spec in vanilla?
1/10 b8 m8, it didnt happen until wotlk
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>>434867383

no, and both of those specs were trash outisde of pvp gimmick builds
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>>434867383
I wish I still had all my bait gifs.
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>>434865212
>>434865417
>>434865765
I dunno, that wasn't my experience at all.
Not saying I never saw it happen but when it did it was due to a massive skill difference.
I specifically remember this because of how much of a shit show it was to play on battlegrounds as a level X6 character compared to level X9.
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>>434867234
Just some opinions of my taste. Which ones do you think are the most fashionable?
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>>434867246
Tanking raids as a clicker Warrior was fucking intense and satisfying, teebeeaitch
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Is classic going to stay as 1.12 the whole time or are they going to add to it like jagex did with old runescape?
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>>434865908
What don't you like about dragonstalker?
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>>434867539
Depends on classes, Hunters for instance are the least negatively impacted by massive level gaps because they don't have to worry about dodging/parrying/glancing at all, and have very few abilities that can be resisted. Conversely however, they are also the most susceptible to being swarmed by lowbies because they don't really have many options when they're getting bonked on by multiple people in melee.
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What's a good spec for leveling priest?
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>>434867592
I play hunter so I like t2 and t3 hunter the most. But everyone has /fa/ tier set except shaman imo.
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>>434867736
My guess is there's always going to be fresh 1.12 servers rolling, if it's successful enough they'll either move on to TBC or do post-vanilla content.
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>>434867941
don't
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>>434868007
I wonder if they'd do things like adding new items for alternative specs (spellpower leather etc) or making more things viable

most off-specs had potential but just needed number tweaking
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These daytime wow threads have nothing on the night time wow threads.
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>>434854965
>2004
>13 years old
>Want to tank and get easy dungeon invites
>2019
>Ill be 28
>Want to tank and get easy dungeon invites
The tank life is good.
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>>434868096
Hybrids are fine in vanilla, they can work with the right gear, it just takes more thinking outside the box to compile than running UBRS/Stratholme/DM North a few times and calling it a day.
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>>434868303
I mean stuff like pally tanks and feral druids and shit. Those are straight up unviable.
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>>434867941
spirit tap -> wand spec -> inner focus -> filler -> respec shadow form at 40
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>>434868178
what fucking night time wow threads ive been on /v/ every night the past week, no one ever makes these fucking threads
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I actually defend a lot of stuff about modern WoW but there's stuff I really miss from older versions of it. While I don't necessarily miss buying upgraded versions of spells I do miss when class trainers actually had a reason to exist and taught you shit. Another little thing are class quests. It was so cool to get your hunter pet at level 10 or all the warlock pet summon quests. It will be cool to do all those class quests again.
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>>434868491
Name one good thing about modern wow.
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>>434868352
Feral is perfectly viable tanking if you fulfill the very specific itemization requirements and abuse their bonus armor while also stacking enough Agility for meaningful dodge and threat and getting defense capped.

Prot Paladins, I honestly don't know much of but if they're the one unviable hybrid that's fine, Alliance don't need yet more PvE advantages with a whole nother class to fulfill a vitally important role.
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From most to least difficult

>tank
>melee dps
>healer
>ranged dps

This is an objective list. [s] The degree of difficulty between classes is negligible, none of them are hard [/s]
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>>434868602
You can't get defense capped, at best you are trash pull tank.
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>>434866271
That's the whole class design of the rogue.
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>>434868589
Raid bosses
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>>434868589
i-it, u-um... p-performance on lower end hardware a-and... uhm... better ping and um.... less down time and.... other stuff...
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>>434868602
>very specific itemization requirements
the problem is that sort of itemisation doesn't even exist. I didn't try getting bear to work (I tried getting moonkin to work instead) but I had a friend in the server who did, and his biggest problem was how little gear there was to avoid getting crushing blows and stuff all the time. It was too taxing on the healers.

At least with moonkin you could still mostly wear the same stuff that mages and locks did.
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>>434868589
The raid and dungeon design is actually pretty decent. Shame all the actual gameplay systems and the community are garbage so you can't really appreciate them
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>>434868762
This is the one semi-true thing that retail does better. But LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS GOOD about WoW had to die, to make raiding more fun/skill-required. is that really a good trade?
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I'm probably going to play classic with a friend. I only played the tail end of WotLK to the end of Cata so I'm not familiar with vanilla. Can I play Shadow Priest or is it one of the dead/useless classes? Pvp and raids.
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>2004
>dual daggers and rifiles are cool!
>2018
>i just want to be feel useful for once in my life
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>>434868602
>Alliance
>without windfury totems and chain heal
>PvE advantage
retard
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>>434867014
I think my rotation on lock in dungeons was 2-3-shift2-6-shift1-5 because I kept all my curses on bar#2 and other spells on bar#1
I pretty much had it down to gcd though
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>>434868982
dorf priest for raids, UD priest for pvp
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>>434868352
Paladins can tank dungeons easy; actually they tank dungeons better than warriors.
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>>434863630
Why'd they hate hybrid classes so much?
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>>434868982
Want to compete in raids with other top-tier guilds? Only one Shadow priest allowed.

Just a decent guild doing weekly clears? Anything can work.
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>>434864839

FUCK YOU DONT TELL THEM
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>>434869119
"Hybrid" classes all have at least one good spec. They don't hate them they just didn't design them to be a jack of all trades.
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>>434868910
>>434868762
Well I'm not getting to 120 to test these things, but I believe it.
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>>434869145
>brings way more attention to it
well played
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>>434869145
i literally made a character and swam them out to that random corner, made a /target macro and i'd spam it on the character whenever i logged in, before logging into my main

the trinket had a stupidly high chance to resist though when i finally got it
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I can't wait to camp black lotus spawns again
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>>434868982
sp is like godtier in 1vs1 pvp, world pvp I would assume decent. In PvE I dont think they're used, maybe one if your lucky.
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I can't wait to make a 49 twink rog and blow up bad 60s and drink the tears
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>>434854965
>Almost 2019
>Somehow Retail gave Hunters a melee DPS spec
>There still is no Mail wearing tank class, there is still only 2 Mail classes, there's now hundreds of leather classes

Why the FUCK wasn't Hunter's Survival spec turned into some crazy pet spirit bonding tank spec?

Trolls have been combining with fucking animals in literally every single expansion, why the fuck can't Hunters spirit form with their pets for different tanking specialization secondary buffs?

Hell you could even make the argument for Shaman to bond with their elementals for a tanking spec or even beasties since that shit's still part of nature.
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>>434869016
Four people in a subgroup at best getting a pretty good benefit, if you want to stack benefits you lose effectiveness on the Windfury
vs.
An entire raid getting a strong blessing, per Paladin

Chain heal is strong but it only makes Shamans the second best heals behind Priests, and since the best Priests were Alliance.......
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>>434869237
Mythic+ dungeons are also pretty fun but you have to be max level for those
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>>434857987
>holy fuck this is hard
>use the same ability 5 times then walk away from your computer to make some instant ramen
woah dude wtf!!!! warryer was way harder in banilla???
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>>434869953
The gameplay is garbage so it doesn't really matter to me how good the dungeons are.
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>>434869663
blizzard has put zero effort into specs since MoP, asking for more specs now is a waste of time because you'll just get another druid clone with different colored spells and probably a rage bar
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>>434868982
If you go Horde there will be a trillion Priests, most of which will be shadow, and you'll never get a raid spot.

If you go Alliance you need only roll dorf and you're guaranteed a spot in someone's guild.

If you actually want to heal and get into raids and shit super ez peazy Resto Shaman is one of those "We need to bring 5 of these to every raid but there's only 20 per server that want to raid" classes. You'll never find a place as a Priest on Horde, it's just infested with UD SPriests.

Fucking everywhere man.
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Aw man, who's ready for level 19 2k HP bullshittery? I can't wait to see what happens when everyone knows how to twink
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>>434869663
There really is zero point to pure DPS classes in World of Megahybrids anymore, nobody ever switches off between three flavors of the same thing, and it always follows the same dynamic: you have the PvP DPS spec, the PvE DPS spec and the spec that's a worse version of the aforementioned ones.
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>>434870009
Whoah whoah whoah, hold up niggah hol' up.

Now Survival Legion was sort of memey but eventually became slightly acceptable. BfA Legion Survival is legit as fuck, better than most of the full melee specs kind of legit.

I don't even know why, now Hunter is like strong range and strong melee.
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>>434868589
Armor design. I like having actual depth on my armor that doesnt look like it was painted onto flat surfaces.
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>>434869663
I've tanked Dungeons on my enhancement shaman while leveling. I miss doing that. WoW has no customization at all. Gear is simplified and talents are idiot proof.
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>>434870279
They started it off a complete broken as fuck flop, and that stigma should follow it until the end of days because they cannibalized a perfectly fine spec with a perfectly fine CLASS IDENTITY (R)(TM) for it.
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>First character I ever played was a Troll warrior
>Was so rare to see another one
>Playing up to retail to this day and I've probably seen 3 that I can recall

They seem rarer than a sober Irishman.
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>>434870547
>ugly
>shit racial
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I keep posting this in every classic WoW thread, but I'll do it again anyway.

They better not patch out griefing strategies. I hated when I resubbed during Pandas and found out I couldn't sap in booty bay anymore.
my thought process

>wtf all the guards see through stealth I'm a fucking sub rogue. I can't fucking vanish to even get away? Every guard now has a goddamn eyeball over their head and can see stealth from 2000m away?
then i logged onto my lock
>Wtf my infernal dies the second enslave runs out? wtf i can't summon people off cliffs anymore?

and if you mind control someone off the dock/zepplin tower its pretty much pointless since they can just mount up and fly back on to the ship/zepp. Fucking dumb
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>>434868589
Raids have been mostly fantastic. Balance and viability of classes and spec is also better overall than vanilla. Zone design and questing is also generally pretty great, leveling overall is worse though for a myriad of other reasons. Music and aesthetics are as good as as ever. Mythic + is a fantastic feature probably the saving grace of legion. Good small group content has always been somewhat lackluster late game, but mythic plus is an indefinite challenge for people who want a different challenge than raising for pve. More options for end game play is always a good thing.

But that’s about all I can say, and I don’t think those things make up for the flaws when comparing it to vanilla or BC.
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>>434869958
I played warrior in vanilla and you're not fucking wrong.

>Tanking Zul'Gurub
>Up to Hakkar
>Suddenly door bell rings
>Run to the door, not even thinking
>Sisters friend asking if she can borrow something
>Remember she was coming around for said thing
>Get it, give it to her, she's on her way
>Get back to computer
>Still at full health with threat on Hakkar
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>>434870547
I have one, it's just an alt though.
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>>434870614
>trolls, shit racial
>shit racial
K E K

>>434870547
Its pretty rare but there is more rare ones out there like tauren shaman I think.
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>>434870750
tfw you will never be able to nuke people from gadgetzan rooftops ever again
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>>434870768
"everyone can do everything" is not good balance
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>>434870846
>tauren female hunter
I think i've only ever seen one at 60
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>>434870859
>mfw I first saw the snipers they added after vanilla
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>>434870912
Dumb Gen Xers and Zoomers dont have any patience. Zoomers have been raised on touch screens and Gen Xer players are mostly parents who constantly have to remind us "muh baby in the other room I dont have the patience to grind muh responsibilities"

So instead of just rolling another class to get what they want, they complain to Blizz so now every class does everything

What's happened to modern MMOs is literally a bite-sized version of communism
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>>434871031
Also female dwarf rogue is really uncommon.
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>>434869663
>wanting survival hunters to be the tank spec
>not enhancement shamans

Shamans were seemed to be designed for it. Considering there were no pallies originally for horde and shamans were their exclusive counterpart it would make sense to have a class with one dps spec, one tanking spec, and one healing spec. It would also make more sense giving them more armor enhancing abilities based on earth magic and shit like that. Why enhancement shamans STILL don’t have an option to tank is beyond me. But then again it would piss off the melee dps enhancement shamans, and giving them a 4th spec would be awkward and make everyone salty.
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>>434871125
>What's happened to modern MMOs is literally a bite-sized version of communism
I guess you can say that or that they just cater to the lowest common denominator for maximum shekels $$$.
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>>434870134
That’s why I always loved warrior. Every spec was almost always viable in some way

>The pvp dps spec
>The pve dps spec
>THE tanking spec

Now with honor talents Arms doesn’t really get to be the PVP spec anymore which is a shame. They should move it more to the “utility dps” spec giving raid buffs with shouts and banners or something.
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>>434871305
Except look at post wrath sub numbers
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>>434869663
Fuck that. Rogue dodge tank when?
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>Just want to be WC3 Thrall
>Roll Shaman and grab a two hander. FUCK YOU DOOMHAMMER WAS A TWO HANDER EAT A FUCKING DICK
>Start doing dungeons
>There is no dungeonfinder
>And no one plays healer
>But since I can heal, that makes me the healer.
>So I'm always the healer
>And because im willing to heal, lots of people friend me
>Which means I'm always the healer. ALWAYS ALL THE FUCKING TIME
>WOTLK rolls around
>Swear an oath to not heal for this expansion
>Start DPSing, made easy since we have dungeon finder now
>Feels empty and hollow
>Go back to Healing
>I've been institutionalized. I hate healing but I love it
>Cry myself to sleep at night

I dont care how much dungeon finder destroyed communities, it saved others from my fate. Brb, popping earthen shield
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>>434871546
Yeah they have been losing their touch since wotlk. Didnt they stop reporting the numbers after it got too bad?
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>>434871590
>roll healing class but refuses to heal
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>>434871704
some time around MoP , yeah
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>>434858289
They really weren't as popular as you'd think on the private servers. It's anecdotal, but I usually saw a healthy mix of classes on nost/kronus/elysium during the leveling curve and at 60, even in bgs.
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>>434871727
This.

I remember my playing in BC as a warrior and saying “I hated tanking”. And someone just asked “then why did you roll as a charcter who can tank?”

If you hate a roll, don’t play a class that can fill that roll ever. At some point you will be forced to play that roll no matter how much it irks you. If you want to only DPS there are classes for that.
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Rate my build(pvp)
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>>434871727
I wanted enhancement. but the future refused to change
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>>434871894
no one can force you unless you're a weak willed bitch

>>434871931
destro is shit play sm/ruin or demo (sl or ds/ruin)
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>>434871727
>>434871894
>shouldnt be able to have fun doing what you want because other people
just tell them no
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>>434871931
ditch DS for conflag/10
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Btw, does anyone know any other website than http://vanillaradar.com/elysium-stats/elysium/
when it comes to statistics over most/least played race and classes? It doesnt show male/female or combos.
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>>434871894
Another issue I find is people who wants to tank as a Paladin always say "give us taunt, give us better gear for tanking, fix mana issues and increase our threat"
The fix is already in vanilla. It's called warrior.
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>>434872053
Yeah just tell them no and keep never getting invited to anything.
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>>434872043
also i forgot md/ruin
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>>434872160
>can't dps as a paladin
>can't take as a paladin

they're just priests in heavy armor, they're objectively a failed class. fun!
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>>434854965
>Be 8 years old
>"I wanna play something interesting like an undead Warlock or Rogue"
>*Plays male Human Warrior anyways*
>Be 20 years old
>*Plays male Human Warrior*
Feels good to have grown up man.
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>>434872285
>take

tank*
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I want to play something spicy
how worthless is elemental? I want to zap niggers
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>>434872354
>zoomers
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>>434872285
>the most influential class in the game is a "failed" class
great post friend
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r8 mine u gays
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>>434872285
So you want to play warrior then?
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>>434864082
>>434865489
yall forgetting the fucking flute?
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>>434872596
the one for the rats in the tram? or the one that makes afks dance?
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>>434872513
you miss my point; why on earth do paladins have a damage spec that is absolutely useless?
they are only good at healing, and if you want to play a proper healer you would play a priest

>>434872456
brainlet
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>>434872693
ret is good for leveling, pvp, and casual pve
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>>434872693
Why do Paladins have a dps spec?
What's more effective for solo/leveling. Putting your points in holy or ret?
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I was hesitant to gank for like a solid 5 minutes when I ressubbed. Which was weird because i was ruthless before. But I got over it. That is the only change i have noticed in myself. Not gonna play classic unless they confirm xpacs though.
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>>434872693
Why does every other class have 2 useless specs?
Because it's only socially acceptable to play the most optimal spec for that class on a 14 year old game.
Brainlet.
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>>434872420
If you want to raid your going to play resto

If you want to PvP your going to play enhancement
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>>434873014
>Not gonna play classic unless they confirm xpacs though.

>Not gonna play classic unless they confirm the things that ruined WoW in the first place

Fucking TBCfags and Wrathbabies. They dont understand their retarded expansion doomed wow
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>>434873014
>xpacs
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>>434857957

You do realize most of 4chan user base is 20-30 year old NEETs right?

I think you are on the wrong website my friend.
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>>434873181
Vanilla raids fucking sucked, class balance was awful and all the other content is mindless fucking grinding. Exploring the world is cool. But been there done that. I am not against Vanilla. It is a different experiance in a lot of ways. Just not for me.
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>>434857957
30 year old who works at office depot part time reporting in

The world fucked me over no regrets
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>>434854965
>2006
>Orc Arms Warrior
>2018
>Orc Fury Warrior

Damn...things really change...
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>>434873462
The game was already ruined by the time you hit level 70.
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>>434871931
>lock
2/10
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>>434871931
isn't improved corruption 100% required for every lock build? or am i retarded?
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Why are Vanillafags so insufferable? I'd be happy they got their game. But they spew 100% bullshit about modern wow being "casualized" (lmao) and how much better their game is.
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>>434873397
I wish I was still NEET. Having a life and responsibilities is lame.
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>>434854965
Still the best armor in the game. Don't (You) me.
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>>434873909
Because it's true?
If you haven't played both then you really don't have a basis for your opinion.
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>>434870547
Troll Priests are pretty popular. Zandalari are going to be huge druids but they aren't memes like normal trolls are, they're like...fucking thinner Orcs.

BE's and unironically Nightborne Elves are still going to rule the Horde for some reason. No idea why when Gobboz is best. Best lead, best racials, best animations, best accent, worst textures nowadays...
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>>434873181
tbc did have the worst intro of any expansion, worse than cata's crappy hyjal intro, being zoned into the shit that was hellboar peninsula to collect 10 bloods, wood, and iron for the first hour, god that was so bad
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>>434873614
Karazhan and it's attunement alone was better than any Vanilla raid.
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>>434874184
What if I told you there was more to the game than scripted raid bosses?
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>>434861687
PvP was surprisingly balanced in BGs. The game had excellent class representation, mainly because you only needed one viable spec in PvP instead of 3.

On horde you needed:
shaman buffs and purge, priest raw healing, druid flag runner
frost mage cc/lock utility and cc/rogue hard cc and utility (poisons and STEALTH)
hunter for ranged damage, warrior melee damage with MS or fury if more than 1

for alliance paladins > priests, but you needed fort and offensive dispelling

It all works out really well. I really liked the way healing worked in vanilla pvp too; you didn't really outheal damage, it was mitigated with cc. No healer could outheal my damage as fury if I dw/reck'd them, but there's an abundance of soft and hard cc and defensive cooldowns like bop/natures grasp to keep people alive.
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>>434872285
>Warcraft 3 hero paladin
>only hero with no offensive abilities, all defensive abilities, autoattack mobs to death
>I want to play that!
>WoW vanilla paladin
>no strike ability, defensive class, autoattack mobs to death
>waaaaaah why are they like that???
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>>434872693
Every class in the game has a dps spec or dps abilities to lvl up, that's irrelevant to raiding
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>>434874236
this statement confuses and frightens the smooth brained retail shitter
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Why is it only ret paladins that bitch about spec viability?
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>>434874530
Cuz they didn't play Warcraft 3, Silver Hand paladins were always healers in the Warcraft universe
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>>434874530
pallys, shamans, druids constantly complain about their "useless" specs. they all play hybrid classes and are eternally butthurt they're not tier 1 at dps, healing, and tanking
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>>434874530
>classic iconography is based around smashing faggots with holy hammers and wearing heavy armor
>they just sit in the back being a buff bitch in-game

cool
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>>434874530
they want it to be wrath where they were the best at everything, paladins whine twice as much as anyone else
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>>434874693
>meanwhile warriors get best tank, best dps, best pvper
>other classes butthurt
"ok"
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>>434859342
Tier 1 :
1)Priest/Warlock
2)Druid
3)Mage
Rest) Don't care

Tier 2:
1)Priest
2)Druid
3)Warlock/rogue
Rest) Don't care
Meme'd beyond death) Paladin

Tier 3:
1)Priest/warrior/rogue but all would be like third place or lower in previous tiers
2)Warlock
Rest) Don't care
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>>434874024
Its not. They are entirely different experiances. And there is nothing wrong with preffering vanilla. More "hardcore" or more "casual" doesn't make it better or worse. And there have been tonnes of QoL changes, some i think go to far, some i like, it's mostly entirely subjective. But to tell me Onyxia 40 and Molten Core are less casual than Mythic Uldir. Or that a balanced ranked Arena system is casualized compared to an imbalanced wpvp/bg system. Suggests i am not the one unfamiliar with the game. Then there is this whiny elitist attitude you faggots spew about how you are the only ones to play vanilla. Anyone who disagrees with you is just an underage who never played it! I like original Alterac valley(if they do 1.5) and there is nothing wrong with liking the game. Just dont be such a cunt about it.
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>>434874236
Oh like Arena!
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>>434860853
>I couldn't go to college for free because I'm lazy
everyone does have access to it
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>>434874530
>Enhancement Shamans
Auto attacks hoping for windfury to proc
Doesn't complain
>Ret Paladins
Auto attacks hoping for SoC to proc
Always complain
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leveling as pally is one of the most comfy things ever in vanilla
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>>434874959
Still not there.
Keep trying.
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>>434874184
i think zg is close to kara, smaller raids are better
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it's time
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>>434875335
based and redpilled
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>>434875283
I actually agree with statement.
>>434875258
Nope I'm out. Gonna RP at goldshire inn or someshit?
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>>434874184
>you'll never have comfortable 2hr Kara speedruns again
>you'll never take your 49 rogue into Hellfire and blow up questing clothies again
TBC SERVER WHEN
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>people still claiming current retail pve is difficult compared to old content
>g'huun
>avoid orbs, kill spawns, turn away from boss
>c'thun
>avoid eye beam, kill spawns, avoid tentacle spawn points
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>>434854965
>classic
>loving, optimistic, tons of friends, always chatty and welcoming
>main resto druid, nearing the last few months a tauren oneshot shaman

>today
>rarely speak unless spoken to
>still find it easy to talk, if interested, otherwise please get away from me fast
>can't stand the idea to play anything but easy mode hunter
>able to solo most things, nearly fully self sufficient
>easily farms DMN tribute, the fastest gold grind aside playing the AH
>always useful in groups and raids
>always strong in pvp
Oh how the times change
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Anyone else rolling a Rogue just to be special?
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>>434875423
If you don't understand what's missing then you've proven that you never played vanilla.
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How will Blizz ruin Classic?
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>>434875593
No friend. You just outted yourself as a casual and that is fine.
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>>434875545
Blizzard never bothered to make it transmoggable, so I never bothered subscribing.
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>>434875710
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>>434875691
We will find out soon anon...
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>>434875258
Collecting transmogs!
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>>434875691
The community already has. Right when the game was announced there was huge disagreements on what should and shouldn't be in the game, whichever way Blizzard goes there will be tons of angry people whining. Furthermore, there's the other set of people delusional enough to believe that they will be able to relive a positive experience from their youth (spoiler it's not gonna be the same)
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Give me one reason why rogues, mages and warriors shouldn't be nerfed.
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Take my advice, If you just put up with the healing in raids, you can enjoy and do whatever the fuck you want when you're out.

Its a small price to pay
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>>434859342
>Tier 1
Warlock > Priest > Hunter
>Tier 2
Paladin > Warrior > Rogue
>Tier 3
Warrior > Warlock > Mage

Unironically they don't make them like they used to. They don't make them at all.
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>>434875953
Okay almighty one. What endgame content did vanilla have that was so much better? BGs? Wooow.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOAFpWVxZfU&feature=youtu.be&t=100
She's right, you know.
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>>434876151
gz
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>>434875991
You'll understand when you play classic lil guy. Remember this
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>>434876151
>vicious night web spider
Delete your WDB.
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>>434876045
if classic paladin seal procs shit the same way it does on shitshope you better get ready to see some tears
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>>434856898
Weak was bait, but if you unironically feel this way you've lost a critical amount of T
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>>434876151
>"You have gained -2 hitpoints..."
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>>434876289
So nothing? trying gaslight me into thinking I haven't played a game is not the best way to convince me you are right btw.
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>>434876045
7.9Kdmg.. how?
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>>434874810
love how they have no response to this
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>>434876140
Who the fuck watches this garbage enough to parse these nuggets of dumbassery?
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>>434876447
roll a warrior then, i guarantee you will suck
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>>434876447
That's because the 1% don't want to share their spot.
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>>434862950
kek i played a lock on nost would farm 20 shards and any fucking retartd that needed a summon i ignored if you dont have your hearth in kargath for raids you dont deserve your raidspot. so go ahead dont play warlock and watch me shit on you in pvp
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>>434876435
well we both know you that havent
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>>434854965
>10 years later
>I still want to be a rogue to be invisible and steal stuff and can go away whenever I please

Not playing anymore tho.
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>>434875691
They won't. Zoomers obsessed with reddit streamers will
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>>434876438
I sneakily put on my reckbomb gear and looted one of the cursed voodoo skull piles in ZG which mindcontrols you and beefs you the fuck up.
I turned around and crit him, then I hammered him to oblivion.
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>>434876429
vanilla is great :)
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>>434876703
>Vanilla has lots of good content!
>like what?
S...s...shut up you havent played the game!!
Damn that's impressive!
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>>434854965
>2005-2012 loved being a belligerent beefcake tank
>ever since I've taken to ranged dps, especially slow casters that are all about placement and timing
No idea what happened.
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vanilla pally is chill as shit, replace the porn with shitposting on here though
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>>434874810
>best tank
>devs literally said EARLIER TODAY that prot warrior is shit right now and they're looking to buff it
If you want a class to complain about, complain about monk because all three specs are fucking fantastic in every piece of current content.
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>Play whatever class is best at PVP to satiate my undying bloodlust.
You shut down Planetside I will never forgive you.
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>>434876963
>WoW Classic in the subject field of the OP
>thread clearly discussing vanilla WoW
>being this retarded on the internet
You have won the worst post in the thread award, an hero fucking nigger
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>>434876415
Don't forget!
Seal procs count as weapon hits and can proc weapon/set procs "on hit".

So you put on full T1 and use seal of righteousness with the paladin trinket from BWL that increases your attack speed with hand of justice trinket from BRD.

Then you can heal more than a dedicated healer in 5-mans just by auto attacking, or never fucking die in duels, pissing everyone off.
There's so much fun you can do with weapon procs and paladin seals, especially if they scale with healing/spell power stats, like C.Ashbringer or Skull Flame Shield
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>>434864551
this is your typical pvp spec for open world pvp as a rogue at the start of the server https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fheboxkZhZxMe0cGRo
best used with a highdps main hander like krol blade or dalrends set it can be any weapon you just want slow and high dps
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>>434876853
i understand your frustration my son, just remember this conversation.
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>vanilla fags
I havent played BFA but it is trash because reasons.
>also Vanillafags
Your critique of Vanilla is invalid because I have decided for you that you haven't played it.
Gets me everytime.
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>>434877270
I will remember it as much as people will remember classic in 5 years Im sure.
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>14 years ago be a dwarf warrior tank
>13 years ago went undead mage
>spent all of my time getting high warlord on both
>spent 90% of time camping lowbie alliance in red ridge

>2019
>going to be 30...
I'm going to fucking rape and and rip and tear every alliance lowbie I find again.

In all my years playing I never fucking once healed at end game. Main tank or dps only. Healing is such a beta role.
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>>434877270
>>434877654
mom
dad
please stop arguing already
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>>434856994
This is the current state of /v/
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>>434877771
This. A good tank can make a dungeon go smooth. A good DPS can make a dungeon go fast. The best healer on the server is still beholden to her team. No matter how good you are idiots still have full control
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>>434864619

Dwarves don't have mace spec in vanilla
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>>434877920
You can carry as a healer granted your tank isn't letting everything attack you
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>>434877771
>getting high warlord on both
>spends most his time camping lowbies
something does not quite add up
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>>434877920
I cannot stand healing. It's even torture when leveling. As a tank I control the speed and how smooth the run is. As dps I can melt shit fast. As a healer....i wait





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