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Alrighty Chocobros, time for y'all to gather 'round and move discussion here because that last thread closed.

To the guy that said there were Nomura and Tabata factions in Square Enix--do you know what went on after 2013? This thread's for you.
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>>438319137
Don't worry, anon, it's still coming.
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What if we change subjects and have a comfy FF thread instead? What's your favorite FF and why?
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>chocobros

this will never not be gay, literally only fujoshi and low-t males use this term. please stop
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>>438319345
XII (yes, really). It's the closet we have to a modern Final Fantasy that is closest to the franchise's spirit without rehashing everything (and I've played XIV since the Phase 3 beta).
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>>438319137
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/06/final-fantasy-7-remake-director-considering-options-for-other-compilation-of-final-fantasy-7-titles

https://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-vii-remake-boss-muses-on-the-idea-of-including-ffvii-adjacent-stories-530324.phtml
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omg i totally love drama like this
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>It's a Tetsuya Nomura has to bail out and save Square episode
2002 all over again
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>>438319536
Me too, anon, me too.
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>>438319137
Yeah there were, and basically the nomura faction won out in the end.
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How do you guys think Nomura is feeling right now?
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>>438319137
>last thread closed
Can you link it, please?
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>>438319687
>the man who Tetsuya Takahashi tried to wrangle from Sakaguchi's control
>the man who said that modern FFs don't have everything
>the man who said that he's Sakaguchi's successor

Is there anything this man CAN'T do? Seriously, though, this was very rude of him to do, like how he said that he'd delay KH3 again if people complained that it's taking too long, even as a joke. I love Nomura, but isn't that a little too childish and petty?
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>>438319345
I've only played VII and XV, but I played the first hour or so of IX and really loved what I saw so if I ever get around to finishing it that'll probably be the one, until then it's VII
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>>438320098
you mess with the bull you get the horns
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>>438320035
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>>438320171
*suddenly remembers that Hideki Kamiya exists*

Anon, you're right. Mea culpa.
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I guess it really was the final fantasy
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>>438319464
>phase 3 beta.
Kek. 1.0 alpha master race
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>>438320352
*severly wants to kick 8th grade self in the ass for not getting grades good enough to get an MMO subscription that would peter out into F2P shenanigans*
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>>438320098
Nomura is alpha as fuck. "Based Nomura" isn't just a meme you know. He actually told Disney to fuck off

>During development of KH 1, Disney kept giving Nomura strict orders on how Kingdom Hearts should be
>Nomura hated all their ideas and said "I will not make such a game"
>Disney then fucked off and let him do what he wanted
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>>438320580
His industry parents would be proud!
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>>438320580
And then Disney came back with a vengeance to shit up 2, where did Nomura's balls go then?
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>>438319931
Wait, whose sides were who on?

>Team Tabata
Sakaguchi
Yoshida
Hashimoto

>Team Nomura
Kitase

I can't seem to think of anyone else, anon. Sorry. ><
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>>438319228
As much as I want it to happen. It's dead anon. Let it go.
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>>438320209
saved
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Final Fantasy XIII was okay
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>>438320920
I know, but either way, its immediate numbered successor is unsurpassed
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>>438320679
What are you talking about? Since Chain of Memories you can tell Disney fucked off and gave Nomura full creative freedom of the series because KH prints money
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>>438320895
Oh, it fucking better be, thank you. :D
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>>438321009
I wish it was a one time purchase. No way in hell am I ever paying a sub for a game.
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>>438320842
>Team Tabata
>Sakaguchi
>Yoshida

When and how? Also, why would Yoshida specifically be on Tabata's side when XV drained resources that could have went to his own damn game?
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>>438321106
Then why was 2 just a step by step rehash of the movie plots?
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>>438320842
>Team Tabata
>Hashimoto
>YoshiP

LMAO, Tabata has no one on his side. Why? Because it was Nomura and Kitase that push him to begin with then he shit on Nomura&The Gang and turn against his own "faction" and "boss" now look at how it end.
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>>438319137
Good.
Fuck them for screwing over the early adopters with their Jew tactics.
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>>438321369
It really wasn’t. First visit was to set it up. Second visit was original plot.
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>>438321369
The first visit followed the Disney movie plot. The second visit followed an original plot by incorporating Organization XIII and other original creations into the Disney worlds. What are you talking about anon?
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>>438320679
Disney interactive only started coming in deeper to KH with 3, Nomura has talked about in interviews that prior to this new game that Disney has been mostly hands off with development of KH titles. They would only just tell him what properties he can and can't use and let Square make the game but now the studios are working with square with making models and assets of their Disney stuff with UE4
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>>438321345
Ack, meant to say predecessor. Terribly sorry.
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>>438319137

I miss golden age Squaee guys. Why are they so deeply mismanaged now?

Just give me one great, high budget, CG FMV-laden, classic Turn or ATB based JRPG in FFXIV's art style. I don't think that's asking a lot.
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>>438321456
>he shit on Nomura&The Gang

Like actually talked shit? Or is the current state of XV meant to be the insult?
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>>438321587
>>438321597
The second visits were also like a third of the length of the first visits.
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>>438321790
They're all still around, just at Monolith Soft.
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>>438321798
there was that time he said everyone else in the company had some kind of "FF disease" or some shit
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How much of this hour long vid is truth and how much is BS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8lvAq_yp_w&t=1s
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>>438320842
man, it must be hard for them to keep track on who's on their side when they have such confusing names
do you think they use code names like Tanner, Chad and Brandon to make things a bit easier on themselves?
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>>438321935
You don't need 50+minutes to explain or understand why this game sucks, that's just autism
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On a lighter note, I'm playing through FFX right now and it's great.

>>438321820
And That's A Good Thing. Seriously, I didn't care for being forced to visit every single world twice.
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>Cross Nomura
>End up getting fired
Based Nomura. And let's be honest, the game died the minute Nomura was longer in charge and Tabata decided his vision would be better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIx9VJWSl8&t=73s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEKNUCjcrMY&t=102s
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>>438321820
No shit, no need to explore meant just story time.
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>>438321790
Man, I actually kind of miss 2.0 FFXIV. I want to go back and like it again but I can't do it. I'll probably at least play 5.0 and hope it's decent.
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>>438321986
Yeah, Japanese people make nicknames even out of one syllable of their names to do so. Tetsuya Takahashi calls Yasunori Mitsuda 'Mi-chan' and Mitsuda calls Takahashi 'Taka-san'. Soraya calls him T, while Hashi himself calls Nomura 'Tekkun' (because T2 got assigned to another Tetsuya Takahashi, the man who worked on Mana and the FFVII maps).
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>>438321935
>>438322016

Pretty much all of it is spot-on, but he also brings up the severely understated point about how neglected and poorly-written the worldbuilding/characters are.
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>>438322234
that's pretty adorable no homo
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>>438321798
He try to fuck off from Nomura&Kitase faction and goes right under Yoichi Wada(then CEO of SE) wing when Wada want Nomura to fuck off from V13 to do other project. Guess what? Wada got his ass fire and Tabata lose his only armor and protector in the company, lol.

Btw, I also have to note that Nomura have a not so good relationship with Wada as well.
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>>438322482
NGL, it is.

Sauce:
I've spoken three languages since 6 (Japanese being one of them), and have seen native speakers do this.
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>>438322487
>Btw, I also have to note that Nomura have a not so good relationship with Wada as well.

lmao, who does?
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>>438321790
Honestly I've completely made my peace with the state of things now thanks to IX. That game speaks to me in a way that almost feels like old Squaresoft directly sending me a letter giving farewell and saying "Thanks for all the good times. Things are going to be different now, but that's okay. Let's have one last hurrah and celebrate the memories we made along the way".
I know lots of people don't share that opinion and think that the game is an immense letdown, but I can't imagine how bad it would feel to be a fan of the franchise and not get that feeling of closure the game gives me.
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>>438322664
Exactly. Uematsu left SQEX because that man moved the company headquarters at the advice of a psychic. A PSYCHIC.
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>>438319137
final fantasy is dead
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>>438322778
>Uematsu is sick
feels bad man
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>>438322832
Say what you want, anon, it's still happening.
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>>438322832
and tabata killed it
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Just according to keikaku

Nomura is next
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>>438322758
>Squaresoft directly sending me a letter giving farewell
this

consider the last scene again with this thought.
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>>438323034
>Uematsu is sick
He's gonna be ok ... right ?
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>>438323034
;__________________________;
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>>438323056
It better be. Never have I seen such a character design more cruelly wasted than that of Stella Nox Fleuret.
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>>438323134
The Japanese don't tend to normally announce that they're sick unless it's something irreversible
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>>438319137

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I Started FFXV the other day (31 hour and chapter 3), and I was so happy with this on the road experience, and I happy to know four more DLCs for the next year. NOOOOOOOO.
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>>438323081
When will he remove GCD from XIV and make the game fun?
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>>438323292
*siiiigh*
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>>438322832
And Kingdom Hearts is now the main franchise of Square. We've entered the best timeline
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>>438323292
At least she isn't part of a bad game anon.
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>>438322758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Y65XdFNjI

it trully ended there
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>>438323305
Anon please, I'm not prepared, dude is not even that old
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>>438323485
But anon. my heart won't let go!
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>>438323419
What's this from?
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>>438319536
Why else would anyone be on this shithole?
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>>438323521
Don't worry about whether or not you're prepared, Anon. Just hope that if it comes to it, he is.
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So is FFXV worth playing then? I got gifted it on steam for my birthday from a pal but if it is as unsatisfying as people make out, maybe I shouldn't. I just want a comfy world to explore, a decent story with at least a reasonably satisfying/sound ending.
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>>438323592
fanart
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>>438323687
>So is FFXV worth playing then?
No
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>>438323687
>a comfy world to explore
I think most of it is a bloody desert
>a decent story with at least a reasonably satisfying/sound ending.
Unless they changed it, the decent story happens completely offscreen
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>>438323687
>a decent story with at least a reasonably satisfying/sound ending.
You can get everything else except this for the most part. The story of the game is decent in theory but its told in a very poor way that doesn't let you enjoy it
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>>438322758
i need to get a PS1 already goddamn
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>>438323913
You know it's on steam anon?
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>>438323687

Yes
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>HEY NOMURA BITCHBOY, DIRECT KH3 AND FF 7R
>O-OK MASTER, N-N-N-N-NO PROBLEM AT ALL, IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN SIMPLY SAY NO OR ANYTHING
What is the problem with this guy?
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>>438323717
Found the sauce.
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>>438323834
is there even waifu stuff
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Tfw Hironobu Sakaguchi is never coming back to save final fantasy.
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>>438320035
He's probably comfy right now in his studio, sipping on coffee, doing character sketches and playing with his dog
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>>438323292
WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS
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>>438324145
There's husbandos and then theres a little girl and titty monster
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It's funny that her game ended up being the best one from the fabula nova crystallis project.
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>>438324287
IT STILL HURTS ANONS, IT STILL HURTS
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>>438319137
what happened
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>FF is dead
Fuck SquEnix
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>>438322094

The Nomura vision was bad, people hate FFXIII (The only good thing was the GODDESS Claire Farron), but prefer this shit. I don't understand

Fabula Nova Crystalis was a mystake, It's clear that Nomura was going to continue on this slippery slope of shit, Tabata solved it with BIG GAINS for the society.
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>>438324558
>>438320080
https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/438289630/#q438311334

TL;DR: Tabata resigned (though it's agreed by /v/ that he got fired), 3 DLC episodes were cancelled, all that's left is Episode Ardyn and even that will get multimedia spinoffs.
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>>438323056
What is this image even supposed to convey?
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>>438323924
FUCKING KEK

I'm loving all this Nomura posting since last night
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>>438324779
Saved it from the board, I'm thinking the collage person put it together as a conspiracy board that pointed to signs of Nomura makinng Versus XV thanks to this one KH3 screenshot segment in (pic related), which, in Latin, means True King.
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>>438324190
>dog
You mean cat
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Whoops, picture didn't post. It's here--
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>>438319137
Someone post the fucking Yoko interview about Nomura and Tabata, makes you realize who the real hack is.
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>>438319137
i will never forgive SE for what happened to Versus, it was clearly far in development and Nomura was very much in love with his creation but it was all taken away and not only killed but disfigured by a HACK like Tabata becoming a travesty of a game called FFXV. I can only imagine his hate at the time.
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>>438325223
This one?
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>>438323134
definitely cancer, just pray that his passing is without much pain
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>>438324548
>>438324287
no, you are just retarded.
Fact is, FF is a dead body and you are just to retarded to see it and still hoping to get something out of this dead body. reality is hard but idiots like you cant deal with it, go cry a river faggots, final fantasy is dead since squaresoft died.

fuck enix and their retarded zoomer ff fanboiiis
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>>438325307
>Nomura is an autistic chunni that wants nothing but perfection
>Tabata is a yes man that only bothers to make corrections when everything is going to shit.
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>KH is now unironically the main Square Enix franchise

Lmao
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>>438325307
Maybe it's actually because FF XV was way behind schedule and he couldn't lost time dealing with music stuff, since he didn't even had anything done
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>>438325241
>it was clearly far
From what I read, the story and characters were pretty much set but they ran into technical limitations with the old engine and were pretty understaffed. Then the reboot happened and the story was changed lol
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>>438324690
nomura has absolutely nothing to do with the direction off XIII or fabula nova crystalis, retard
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>>438325461
Feels good bros
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Final Fantasy IX is the Masterpiece of the Serie!
12 was somewhat ok, 8 was good enough as much 7 was good enough.
Final Fantasy VI is one of the best in serie along with 9
4,5 are ok-ish
10 was shit
10-2 is the beginning of enix retardism
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So, I haven't played FFXV at all. Does the cancellation of the last 3 DLC leave the game incomplete? What were they planning? I know the game had a shit ton of issues at launch.
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>>438325526
Of course it is
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>>438324024
i don't have a gaymen pc either though
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>>438324024
>playing the shitty mobile port

Do NOT trust squenix games on pc
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I don't care about XV. Wasn't there supposed to be another X game after all this time?
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>>438325307
>Nomura
No this isn't the best. Keep at it until it's the best it can possibly be. It's okay if it takes a little longer until it reaches perfection
>Tabata
Yeah this is fine. No wait it's shit lets go back and change it. It's not good. I don't know what I want

This is not up for debate. Nomura is godly at leadership. He's a perfectionist. Yes his games take longer to make but the end result is worth the wait. Tabata doesn't have a clear vision about anything and just does things until he's had enough of it. Truly once Tetsuya Nomura leaves Square, that company is beyond fucked. I mean, it's beyond fucked now but Nomura is literally keeping them alive
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>>438325570
The game would have been incomplete no matter how much DLC it received. The cut DLC are campaigns where you play as other characters.
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>>438325916
>Wasn't there supposed to be another X game after all this time?
Are you new to Square Enix games after 2001?
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>>438325471
>were pretty understaffed
that is the core of the matter, they could eventually get over technical limitations IF given time and resources which SE didn't want to do, i to this day can't understand that, there was clear hype for VERSUS and money to be made with the hard part of the work already done but they still fucked him over.
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>>438322650
So how does that work with people with English names.
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What does this mean for me?
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FF died when The Gooch left. 1-10 is the true final fantasy series. Honorable mention to 11 because it was well into development by the time he left

12 is great but it’s an ogre game
The less said about 13 the better
14 is only notable because it went from absolute dumpster fire to passably mediocre
15 is this current train wreck i still prefer it to 13 though
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PERFECTED LIST OF ALL FINAL FANTASY's:
9>7>6>8>4>5>>>>12
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>>438325508

Suck my dick "MUH BASED NOMURA", He was influenced doing bad dark no-sense gook tecno fantasy.
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>>438324416
Anon, that is not Serah. So be kind and go fuck yourself.
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>>438326041
No, but some time ago they had that shit about Tidus and Yuna breaking up and Tidus literally getting blown up.
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>>438325461
I mean I always wanted this to happen but I never imagined it would. But holy shit we are living in the best timeline now. The spinoff is now the main company's franchise.

Kingdom Hearts literally pulled a Persona
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>>438326347
We dont speak of that. Delete your post right away. I'm gonna go take a Forget Me Not now.
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Are you guys really retarded you do you really think they'll ignore FF and DQ because of a new KH. Am I in a KH circlejerk thread and don't know?
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square enix need to die so they stop milking the dead horse
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>>438325561
But XII was great
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>>438326206
I sometimes repeat the first syllable of their name, though sometimes I don't and it's understood who I'm talking to. It's a little difficult to master, easier to pull off with names that have seven letters or more, and I need a more set-in-stone methodology to do so.

e.g. Prom-Prom from Prompto, Dio from Gladiolus
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>>438320098
A good game. He can't do a good game for shit.

Nomura used to be treated like a joke in this very website before a couple insane anons started to treat him like some sort of badass creative hero. I think most people who used to play the oldschool Squeenix titles fucked off when they started pumping out raw sewage in gaming form in the PS2 era. I'm just impressed that the atrocious crap Squeenix releases nowadays actually has an audience.
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>>438325964
Hopefully there’s some young thundercat stuck on a b-team somewhere that will rise to be the new savior by then
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>>438326503
it was ok but tried to hard the mmo battle in a singleplayer game, i still would put it on my list of ff games but only at the end
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>>438326503
YES.
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>>438325964
Companies don't profit on perfection anon. See GTAV. Far from perfect, but it gets shit done and with a clear schedule.
Remember FFVII-X? 6 years between them. 4 incredible games, in 6 years. Now we got 3 games in... 12 years (FF14 is not a traditional FF)
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>>438324024
Fuck off with the trash ports, emulate or play on original hardware
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>>438326650
Yuuichi Kanemori
Mitsunori Takahashi
Tatsuya Kandou
Tomohiro Hasegawa


It will be one of these four people and I won't even be surprised if Nomura has one of them direct Versus XV in his stead (or co-direct them with him). Mark my words.
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final fantasy 9
best final fantasy
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It’s so obvious with FFXV that it was yet another management fuckup which they then try to cover up and save face by saying shit like “but it’s the fastest selling FF” yeah no shit. We live in the Information Age. “But the game sold 7-8 million” yeah so did HZD. MHW sold 10+. FFVersusXIII should have been a cultural phenomenon like 7 was.

Nomuras vision was supposed to revitalize FF with avant-garde ideas and give the team a way a structure a trilogy so they don’t release a clusterfuck. They botch everything again. You don’t get another chance to unfuck the game. FFXV will always be this impostor Tabata shit.
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>>438319345
FF12 is really comfy. Character plot and depth is really flawed but the rest of the game is extremely comfy, really tangible chewy gameplay, environments, music; attitude and theme. It pays just the right amount of homage while being its own thing. If it had better main story writing or just putting a shirt on Vaan could have significantly helped the game.

6-7-8 were the series heights, but all FF games have been basic mill JRPG entries in the end. I'm not going to put 6 on a pedestal it doesn't truly deserve. Most of FF has actually been the use of engrossing aesthetics; sound, art direction, etc. And as the lead designers have changed over the years so has FF and it hasn't kept its own standards this entire time. You can go all the way back to Nausicaa influences on FF1.
For all those reasons, FF12 to me had the best showing in almost all areas, with a single critical sore spot. I have long hoped that FF12 would have taken the new standard for FF (replicating the Ivalice aesthetic, the tangible gameplay, music, etc.) in the new era of increasingly competitive JRPGs.
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>>438325624
Yeah anon, to play IX you need top of the line pc, a 9900k + 2080Ti is recommended.
>>438325726
Yeah, it's not like you can pirate the game and check it out.
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So now what? Where do you take a series after XIII and its sequels ultimately collapsed on themselves, XIV nearly killed the company before being revised into something decent but more generic, and XV ended up only making strong initial sales but floundered and cost them money long-term anyway? Did Dissidia NT even do well? I know they're making bank on the mobile shit, but really, there's only so much you can do besides the fever dream that is the VII Remake.

How the fuck do you recover a series like this after it turned into a train wreck in slow motion for a solid decade?
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>>438326775
>trash ports
Post proof that the port is trash.
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Totally off topic, but I tried getting into FF7, then I lost the ability to continue for a little bit and haven't touched it. I did the Don Corneo shit, that's the last I remember. I was starting to get a little bored though. Should I pick it back up? Will it get better? If it does, I'm willing to restart to know what's happening.
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In Square's case it is. Kingdom Hearts 3 is looking fucking fantastic because Nomura is able to create with a big budget and all the time in the world he needs. It's literally a page out of Rockstar's handbook. Before Red Dead Redemption 2, the last game they released was GTA V back in 2013. 5 whole years without a Rockstar game and they spent the time making RDR 2 the best it could possibly be. That's a perfectionist mindset and that is what Nomura inherits
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>>438325726
I think they did a pretty great job with the models, really makes me wish they could also have worked on the backgrounds too but graphically speaking I think I'm happy enough with it as is.
It would be a crime against humanity if that game had gotten the FFV iOS treatment
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>>438327128
You're still in what's basically a 4-5 hour prologue. Midgar is to FF7 what Twilight Town was to KH2, except without a massive mindfuck and protagonist bait and switch involved.
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>>438327128
By that point you weren't even done with the prologue yet nor meaningfully interacted with any mechanics, I'd say it's worth it to give it another shot
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>>438326862
what is the Versus XV thing everyone is talking about? It's not happening as much as I'd want it to. It's dead.
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>>438327128
still in the midgar city?
oh boii, if you only knew how big the game is going to open up .
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>>438327128
No. FF7 peak is Midgar intro actually, you've already seen the best of the game. FF7 is very old, it's very slow moving. At the time people were engrossed in the new graphics; but it doesn't stand the test of time, and you're not faulted for not wanting to play it. The plot is interesting, but you can probably find a lengthy synopsis somewhere that basically retells the game via short story to get that aspect if you really need it.
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>>438327128
Yes, it gets a lot better. The story really picks up after the Corneo stuff and a couple hours later the world opens up.
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>>438327459
>NPC
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>Aranea never gets her own episode
she was too good for this world
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>>438327270
I'll pretend you mean the tanker of MGS2 without the protagonist bait and switch
>>438327313
Understood though. Thank you both, I'll redownload it tonight.
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>>438327459
kys
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>>438327528
She was also based on Lightning, so she could suck my dick for all I care.
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that trash franchise if finally dead
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>>438327035
NT is a fucking piece of shit but I don’t know if it flopped. They’re probably making plenty off the arcade version still

Financially they’re probably fine with all the mobile shit
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So has XV-kun killed himself yet
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>>438319137
Can someone please give me a rundown of events?
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>>438327812
>but I don’t know if it flopped
It did worse than flop. They're making a free to play version
https://gematsu.com/2018/11/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-free-to-play-version-launches-november-22-in-japan
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>>438327935
Refer to >>438324717
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>>438319472
Guarantee my fanfiction will be better!
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>>438327935
Two-year anniversary stream last night. Announced that 3 of the 4 upcoming DLC episodes for FFXV next year got cancelled, and Hajime Tabata had formed his own development team to create a new IP but ultimately has resigned from the company. Only Episode Ardyn is still being worked on. All signs point towards Square basically washing their hands of XV once and for all.
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>>438327935
dead studio tries to stay relevant
still dead
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>>438323924
ayyy. we need more laughing nomuras.
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final fantasy is dead
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>>438328061
Holy shit, it's you! How you doin'? I'm the guy who you spoke with about Xenogears and FFvXIII being avant-garde and envelope-pushing. Sorry for not keeping up with you via your Tumblr asks. Whirl of personal events got in the way.
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>>438327010
>Character plot and depth is really flawed
Really? That's a damn shame. The biggest reason I even wanted to play FF12 was because I heard it had lots of worldbuilding and good characters. I still wanna check it out though, based on your post.
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>>438328061
Couldn't be worse than that FFX light novel.
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>>438328294
*splurps fat poopie all over this post*
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>>438328270
It may be flawed, but it's fantastic compared to Final Fantasies after VI.

It IS part of the Tacticsverse that is the Ivalice Alliance, so, it didn't need to do that much legwork there...
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>>438324117
>that Altima
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>>438325964
>>438326743
Tabata method might even take longer since he needs to recheck stuff constantly.
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>>438327935
-Earlier this year SE formed luminous productions to make AAA titles and other projects, like dlc for xv and animations, like for a jap documentary
-tabata was the head of it
-turns out, it was a waste of money as what they were making was garbage and SE knew it. SE cut everything besides the ardyn dlc and the promise to make AAA titles with Luminous productions. This cost the company $33 million
-tabata stepped downwas fired as a result of him blowing so much cash in a 6 month span
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Should I buy her game /v/?
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>>438326218
You're good senpai, one day the west will realize that you're a good franchise
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>>438328258
>Xenogears and FFvXIII being avant-garde and envelope-pushing.

I'm interested in hearing you guys' reasoning on this. If you can't summarize it here, is there an archive link?
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The only good thing about Nomura being given even more responsibilities is that his utter ineptitude will hasten the death of the whole company.
Maybe the vultures that pick apart the corpse for the meatiest IP’s will do something decent with them.
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So as someone who has still yet to play XV, likes FF6-10, doesn’t care about the behind the scenes development drama, will I enjoy XV in its current form?
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>>438328258
Hey man. Nice to run into you again. That was a fun thread. I’m more into instagram right now though (@ishiki___)

>>438328294
That’s a very low bar. My idea is fucking genius, it’s just going to take a long time to finish it.
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>>438328547
You fucking should, Lightning Returns has some of the best FF gameplay.
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>>438328270
here is a link to the game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/595520/FINAL_FANTASY_XII_THE_ZODIAC_AGE/
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>>438328547
XIII-2 has good gameplay, but LR is total JRPG kino.
XIII is trash tho.
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>>438328628
Probably not. XV is nothing like it's predecessors.
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>>438328628
....Maybe? It's an incomplete game through and through but its something that can be really easy to have fun with despite all its major flaws. Hard game to recommend but its a fun one depending on your interests
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>>438328294
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>>438323309
Kill urself
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>>438324287
I liked it when Lucis' royal family were a bunch of Yakuza.
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>>438328665
Very low bar is good enough for you.
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>>438319137
Have heard from squenix devs that nomura gave zero fucks about the versus project at the end. He came like once in a month into a meeting to see progress and shit over when people implemented things that he didn't liked (but not telling how to do it better) and then fucked off for another week/month. He could pull off such a shit because his former achievements. Then tabata came and put this clusterfuck of an project together. Rest in pepperoni i guess
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>>438328628
>>438328787
Gonna samefag but I guess it does depend on what you enjoyed about FF6-10. Well anon?
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>>438328665
Perfect--I'll follow you in just a few moments. :P

>>438328606
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/422956294/#422984741

This thread here, anon, specifically from this post.
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>>438328606
I was just saying that FFversusXIII was full of avant-grade ideas when it was announced (the entire point of it was to be the antithesis of the norm, it was even built into its NAME to be new and to push boundaries) The problem was that by the time it released, many of its ideas were stolen or used or whatever, industry changed, then SE backtracked on a lot of things and went for a safe monomyth story. FFXV did not deliver on its vision from the early years. It looks similar, but the core identity and purpose of the project was forgotten.
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>>438328887
What did I just read? I can't possibly believe that it is even close to real.
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Why do anons pretend so fervently that Square-Enix has any talent remaining? The only good things bearing their name in the last decade were outsourced. Everything else has been garbage.
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>>438325307
Explains why KH music is so fucking spot on
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>>438327909
yes
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>>438325964
>Nomura is godly at leadership
Which is why everyone who works under him complains about the lack of direction they receive and every project he manages to complete is a convoluted mess full of poorly implemented ideas. I’ve met literal coprophages with better taste than you.
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Where is XV-kun in all of this? He has been doing nothing but shitting up /v/ whenever anybody mentions FF XV but now he's surprisingly quiet. Is he dead? Please tell me yes because now we can actually enjoy threads without him shitting them up
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>>438328887
>>438329249
Japanese supplemental novels from the early 2000s are the most next level shit. Only in one of those would you find out the villain of a CHILDREN'S TELEVISION SHOW grew up in a prison toilet as an infant eating his own mother's shit to survive.
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>>438329050
Nice bullshit lad
>Then tabata came and put this clusterfuck of an project together.
real nice bullshit lad
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>>438328407
I quite liked X's worldbuilding desu.

>>438328698
Appreciate it anon, but I was thinking about getting a physical copy.
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So is Episode Ardyn going to be a standalone release now or will it be rolled into the existing pass
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>>438325570
You were saved from a shitty pitcher perfect ending for all characters including Ardyn in episode Noctis.
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>>438329250
Someone made World of Final Fantasy. Someone made XII. Someone made the Bravely games.
Obviously AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE in the entire goddamn building understand the importance of charm, worldbuilding, and gameplay when making JRPGs, just find those people and make them make a game already
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>>438329416
>Which is why everyone who works under him complains about the lack of direction they receive
Lets see some examples then. Because the yoko quote >>438325307 here proves your dumbass wrong already
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>>438329468
u fucking wot
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>>438329496
oh, a emulator faggot. go on stilling games.
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>>438329025
I’m going to save this company from themselves.

Even if they botch FF7R, my story will give them new life.
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>>438328628
Maybe

It’s a moderately competent open world game with a bizarre, clearly rushed 2-3 hours of story to end it when you’re done fucking around in the open world
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>>438328680
Thanks!

>>438328708
I'm having fun with XIII and already got XIII-2. I just need to get LR then
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>>438329580
>mfw world of fucking final fantasy is actually the best ff game i've played in years
Who made that? Give him a budget and let him make XVI please.
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>>438325583
>dragon ball role playing games

what?
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Why can’t Square make dates and finish games?
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Are there any dates on the Switch releases of 7 through 12 and CC yet?
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>>438329468
>mentioning Asakura but not Kusaka
Really? That's your go-to-example?
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Pretty upset she isn't getting her time to shine.
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>>438329249
It's not only real, but an audio drama following it up was made with the lead protagonist of it proclaiming herself to be Auron's daughter (with no confirmation being a silent plot point). This audio drama was on the X and X-2 HD Collection.
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>>438329752
I wanted the BD team to make XVI but then Second came out and was mediocre as all hell.
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>>438329468
The fuck?
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>>438329834
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Will XV-kun finally fucking kill himself? That's the important question here.
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>>438329072
I liked the sense of adventure, the feeling of journeying in a group. Im fine with real time combat since my first jrpg was secret of mana. Cool dramatic cinematic are nice too, but I’d want it to be good from start to end, like xenoblade was. Should I just play xenoblade 2 instead?
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>>438325964

I don't think you understand that businesses need to make money, and that perfectionism doesn't translate to more money even when it translates to a better game.
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>>438329739
If you're liking XIII you'll love those then. I was on the XIII hate train and still kind of am, but XIII-2 fixed a lot of the problems I had with it, and made me feel like I was playing a weirder Valkyrie Profile in all the right ways.
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>>438329968
Pic related. Book written to be an alternate take on the show of the same name, marketed to kids, using the same backstory nuances with some adjustments. This is the backstory for one of the villains. Translation courtesy of Gorou-chan on Tumblr:
>Asakura Takeshi was born in shit.

>In a rural town far from Tokyo, a high school girl lived alone in an apartment. She had slept with many men, so she wasn’t sure who the father of her baby was. There, in the building’s shared bathroom, she gave birth to Takeshi. The baby gave his first cry in an ocean of shit.

>That cry continued for 3 days straight. On the fourth day, when it finally stopped, she held him to her chest in relief.

>On the seventh night after his birth, she awoke to a strange noise. Through the moonlight of the window, she could see dark mass dripping in the center of the room. Frozen in shock, the mass advanced on her, entering her mouth. In that moment, Takeshi’s mother too understood what it was like to be smeared in shit.

>Takeshi ate shit to survive, crawling into sewage tanks. One day, he realized that he wished to return to his mother’s womb. So, he entered through her mouth as best he could, and fell into her stomach., which grew large once more. Unfortunately, this ultimately suffocated her. Once inside her corpse, Takeshi tore her stomach open from the inside and peeked his head out. His second birth was complete.

>>438329823
Kusaka's death in Deformed Flowers is nowhere near as nuts.
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>>438329759
The Game Boy Advance ones, I believe
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>>438329397
Shimomura is unironically better than Uematsu

Fite me
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>>438329612
>one composer
Compare that to the ENTIRE FUCKING TEAM working on XV before Tabata was brought on board. I’m not saying Tabata’s a genius director, but he managed to scrape together a passable product and bring it to market. Nomura is first and foremost a visual artist and artists are always flakes.
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>>438330009

Hopefully he has already, since he's not here trying to come up with excuses for these developments.
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It's not fair bros...
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>>438330141
Did the Banana Cream Cake guys wrote that?
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>>438328061
That's autistic but it's no Iscar Matthias.
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>>438330258
>artists are always flakes
The fucking Yoko quote proves you wrong already, learn to fucking read before just spouting your bullshit headcanons.
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>>438330328
woah...
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Hi, yes, xv is shit. Good things come to those who wait. Always have faith
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>>438330454
this looks literally 10 thousands times worse
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>>438320679
2 is the best game in the series with the least Disney-ness to it. What is your case for this?
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>>438330258
>Compare that to the ENTIRE FUCKING TEAM working on XV
You mean the team that left with him when he did? You did know that once nomura left, only 4 out of the 20 original members stayed on xv, right?
Why are you making up bullshit you stupid monkey? You still haven't provided any actual quotes from anyone either
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>>438330410
No. The guy who wrote it is Toshiki Inoue. He wrote the DMC anime, but that's the only thing I can think of that's particularly /v/-related.
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>>438330490
>Good things come to those who wait.
Well i'm not seeing any signs of Square-Enix undoing the Enix part and saving itself.
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>>438330506
>cgi vs in game
yes
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>>438330141
Even some of the most edgy stuff I've read wouldn't go that far.
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Foreshadowing at its best
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>>438329580
Bravely was Silicon Studio. FFXII was over a decade ago. World of FF was co-developed with Tose Software, who's been in the business almost 40 years and probably handled the brunt of the implementation.
>>438329929
That's because Square-Enix stuck their dick in it after the first was a huge success. They also didn't bring Revo back for the music, which was a huge error.
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what's next for FF after this outside of the FF7 remake?
Like honestly where can you take things after such a shit show?
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>>438329580
None of those games are good and Square's talent was behind any of the small amount of merit found in 12.
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Imagine all the top tier AA content SE could have been putting out with the sheer volume of people and talented developers they have under them.
If only their management wasn't the most retarded I've ever seen in any Japanese company since late 90s and early 2000s SEGA.
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>>438330606
*rivers, dismemberment, rape, and FOOD intensify*
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Rise and shine XV-kun, rise and shine.
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>>438330997
He's never coming back, he's just a broken shell of a man now.
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>>438325307
fuck i hate working with people like tabata
you cant plan anything because stuff is always changing
thats why FFXV fucking took so long
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>>438330417
If it makes me autistic, oh well. It’s is something that would only work within the FF7 universe because it uses the idea of mako poisoning. Life of pi, cowboy bebop, rozencrantz & guildenstern are dead, kinkakuji, all in one.
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>>438330936
>Like honestly where can you take things after such a shit show?
Back to basics; focus on making good games instead of huge multimedia projects.
But that won't happen because the higher ups at SE aren't the ones "leaving", so we'll end up with the same shitshow again next time just with a different scapegoat when it fails.
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>>438326218
DQ's fanbase is so fucking autistic they won't let ANYTHING about DQ change without them throwing a shitfit
and that's a good thing, maybe the FF fanbase can learn a thing or two
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>>438330997
I wonder did he hang himself
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>>438330220
Shimomura is a worthy successor to Uematsu.
We don't have to fight about it.
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>>438330258
People who try to shit on Nomura ALWAYS end up looking retarded. I promise it never fails. Like this anon said>>438330535
once Nomura was no longer in charge majority of the FF XV team left with him. Roberto Ferrari (who did character designs on FF XV confirmed this himself and said he left with Nomura too to go help do designs for FF 7 Remake). Your dumbass headcanon that Nomura is a shitty incompetent boss is LITERALLY WRONG and no matter how many times you try to post it, it will always be wrong. Do like FF XV kun and kill yourself. You wont be missed
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>>438330024
Personally I can't say that FFXV feels like an "adventure" in good conscience. You are confined Lucis for the majority of the game, and while the open world is vast the landscapes themselves are empty, unimpressive, and almost homogenous. The only human settlements you find along the way are just gas stations for the most part. "Camping" in this game is nothing more than staying at a less refined inn, there's nothing to do at the campsites other than train your fighting skills with the other characters, so I'd say the roadtrip atmosphere of the game is lacking too.
There's only 3 explorable cities in the entire game, 2 in Lucis, and the 3rd and coolest one cut so drastically that you're only visiting a mere fraction of it.

You may or may not like the "chocobros," personally I found them to be very boring, but some people think they're the best cast in FF. There are definitely cinematic scenes but they either don't feel earned or don't make a lick of fucking sense. The game starts off pretty strong in the beginning but things begin to crack around chapter 4, then completely collapse after chapter 9, where the game switches from being open to linear and you hardly have any time to breath. I haven't played Xenoblade, but it probably is more deserving of your money than this shit.
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>>438331319
Hopefully.
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>>438330997
Anon, stop bullying XV-Kun, the police are still looking for him.
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please for the love of god put the ff7 remake into the ground and cancel that money sink.
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>>438330429
All artists lack the self awareness to realize that they’re flakes. What makes you think an artist would have the capacity to recognize flakery in another artist, dipshit? You really come across as a person that likes to draw.
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>>438331351
>Roberto Ferrari
That reminds me of an interview Ferrari gave
https://www.akibagamers.it/26-12-2016/intervista-roberto-ferrari-character-designer-final-fantasy-xv/
>Which franchise you worked on is your favourite? And why?
>Ferrari: I think Final Fantasy XV itself, not because it's a recent product, but because I had the opportunity to work with Mr. Nomura by having a substantial role. I felt artistically respected and appreciated by Mr. Nomura, for the first time since I started living in Japan. He showed me his deep trust in my potential, but more importantly, his trust in me as a human being. It's a little difficult to explain, but before I started working for Square Enix there were times I just felt exploited.
Makes you wonder what the hell that guy is talking about nomura being hated by the xv team
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>>438321935
100% true
FF15 is a turd
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>>438331846
cope lmao
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>"Prompto doesn't look like Verstael"
>uses Prompto's model to make younger Verstael with ZERO changes
why
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>>438326301

How decent is the PC port if IX? I've been itching to replay it but it seems like there's no "perfect" official release on a modern console.
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>>438322016
I consider 60 minutes to be the max length for analysis videos.
It's the average amount of time you have to defend a doctoral thesis, so if you can't fit your vidya analysis within that timeframe you really should consider cutting it down a bit.
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>>438331351
Don't even bother, anon. People have a hate boner on Nomura for no reason. They think that Nomura was just sitting there twiddling his thumbs during these 7 years of Versus XIII development.
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>>438331879
Ferrari is a boss and I want to see more of his art in games.
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>>438329419
>that pic
Thanks man funniest shit I've seen all night lol. Square enix lets Tabata go AND XV-kun shuts the fuck up for a few XV threads now? Best early christmas present ever.
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>>438331846
I've seen two interviews from versus devs who have nothing bad to say about nomura. Still yet to see one hating him like previously claimed
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>>438326317
>fails argument, rages
like pottery
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>>438328680
>"some of the best FF gameplay" is a re-skinned Valkyrie Profile
Sad, but not incorrect.
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>>438330065
Thanks anon!
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>>438332108
It’s literally an iPhone port

You’re better off emulating
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>>438332108
You can always pirate it to test it out.
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>>438332257
I've never had a more relevant time to post this.
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>>438332410
https://youtu.be/UUXCy-j3nVw
Looks at least passable
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AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHY ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR VERSUS WAS GOING TO BE KINO
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>>438330661
I wasn't talking about graphics you faggot.
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>>438332108
It's great. Be sure to get the mod to replace the backgrounds with upscaled versions that look slightly less ass than the normal ones.
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>>438330220
I agree. But she also needs someone to work with too, like any good composer.
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>>438330609
There's nothing wrong with Enix. The SE merger killed Enix, if anything. The real problem is they lost Sakaguchi and gave too much power to non-founder management. The clueless management in turn gave full control of the company to the marketing dept and suddenly you went from having a company controlled in their creativity by a single visionary, (sorta like Ghibli, but with more creatives doing their own thing and experimenting too), to a typical modern triple AAA juggernaut enslaved to shareholders' whims. The Spirits Within's failure is an example of how creatively independent the company was, and by kicking Sakaguchi for what was essentially a marketing mistake and excess of ambition they killed everything that made the company so creatively strong.
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>>438325307
You see this? This is proof that working with Nomura is a joy because he helps you further improve your craft. Yoko Shimomura and Roberto Ferrari both have nothing but high praise for Nomura because he has a clear vision and strong leadership skills and he wants to see you be a perfectionist.

Now will some of the dumbass people in this thread who want to blame Nomura for everything will put it to rest? It's obvious Nomura isn't the issue and never has been the issue and he knows what the fuck he is doing
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>>438332157
Honestly I feel like Nomura’s only real problem is scenario writing. His visual design sense is brilliant though.
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I just want to let all FF fags know that I am here for them. Because it never stops hurting. Hang in there, bros.
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>>438329763
They lost their stringent old business practices like hard deadlines and more strict budget caps. Back in the 90s, Square had a strict two year cap on production cycles, so the scope and direction of games was kept in check by the developers and upper management. Sure, this stifled overly ambitious projects like Saga Frontier and Xenogears, but it also made sure other game weren't subject to scope creep and misdirection. Then The Spirits Within bombed, the merger with Enix happened, Sakaguchi quit, and everything went to shit in under a decade.
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>>438333118
Thanks MGSchad
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>>438333118
>Their smiles: gone
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>>438333079
Absolutely correct. 90s Squaresoft had tons of smaller, riskier titles, even some on the early PS2. Post-merger, those were entirely gone. Their idea of an experimental niche product now is a clone of the games Squaresoft made in the early 90s.
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>Lunafreya might've actually mattered with her Episode
>We would've gotten more of the Dragoon babe

But hey, at least we get a one-sided FFXIV collab full of used assets!
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I think it’s pretty obvious that SE’s issues all stem from the suits, not the employees involved in actual game development.
That being said, I don’t know who the suits are and maybe they were all devs who were promoted to managerial positions they weren’t adequately prepared to handle.
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>>438329234
Neither of you are probably still here anymore, but that was spot on. I didn't even give a fuck about Versus/XV until 2014, but everything about the original product was incredibly interesting to me. Especially:

> It had a cohesive world vision where different continents and territories with access to different levels of technology and magic would manifest in wildly different ways.

I think this was in one of the Versus trailers too, but there was that one scene in the E3 '13 trailer where Regis and Iedolas pull their weapons on each other. There's so much world-building to absorb in that fucking 5-second clip alone than in the entirety of Tabata's XV. It never occurred to me the irony of seeing these men in suits fighting with archaic swords while the guys in old-timey robes are literally packing heat. I'm pretty sure I saw something about guns being banned in Lucis back when Nomura was in charge, but Noctis lets Prompto off the hook because they were buddies. I don't think that even made it into Tabata's XV. Regardless, it makes me even angrier realizing just how fucking generic the final product is.
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>>438326596
This. Nomura has yet to make anything worthwhile.
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>Use profits from FFXIV's Jew Station and literally every other game you published to fund FFXV marketing and DLC and whatnot
>Despite the massive amount of money your jewery is sucking out of FFXIV players, still take massive fucking losses

How do they fuck up this bad
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As someone who genuinely detested FFXV I'm glad it ended this way. It would have been a tragedy if a decent final set of DLCs allowed the fanboys to pretend the game was anything but a clusterfuck. Now, it gets the send-off it deserves - one of massive failure.
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>>438333108
My only complaints about Nomura is that he announces games WAY too early (he even acknowledges that himself that he has a problem doing that but he likes to announce stuff before it get leaked) and it's kind of annoying in Kingdom Hearts whenever one question gets answered, three more questions arise. Yeah I know Nomura says he does this because he likes to keep the fans guessing and speculating but it does get rather annoying at times.

Other than those minor complaints, I love Nomura and I think he's brilliant and easily one of the greatest minds to ever work on vidya games
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>>438333889
A big part of it is publishing western trash not even the west wants.
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>>438333904
this desu. i can't stand xv apologists
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>>438333889
They also had massive losses from 13 and that abortion of a game 14 was before reborn. Frankly it's a miracle they didn't go bankrupt back then.
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>>438333791
>I don't think that even made it into Tabata's XV.
It didn't, instead it just becomes nothing more than foreshadowing to explain that being a clone from Niflheim made him adept at weapons and technology. Which makes no sense given that he was recovered when he was still a child in a lab with no training facilities or the like, but fuck logic.

Also nevermind the fact that Insomnia is literally modern Tokyo except with some fantasy strewn about, so the whole idea that the kingdom of Insomnia disregarded firearms for swords doesn't make sense in XV, once you get rid of the whole yakuza royalty kind of thing that VsXIII was going for.
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I was hoping to see more of these two for years to come.
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>>438333904
Personally that will be me when (if?) VIIR becomes a thing. I want to see that thing crash and burn to the screams of horror of the thousands who genuinely wish for it to be remade as an action game or XV-clone rather than a better balanced, turn-based one.
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>>438326503
XII was good considering it was fucked by suit faggotry
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>>438333924
>My only complaints about Nomura is that he announces games WAY too early
This goes beyond Nomura. This is a SE problem
This was announced last year. They have barely spoke about it since january 2017.
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>>438334305
>xv apologist
ftfy
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>>438324717
Just woke up to this news. Is he just off of XV, or has he been let go from Squeenix entirely?
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>>438334557
The latter.
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>>438334557
He's gone, Jim.
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>>438334405
oh, you better believe i'll join you. i feel that way about both.
FF7R shows every single way you should NOT remake a game, the first thing being "don't throw away the entirety of the beloved gameplay system"
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>>438333108
His character designs and such are okay, but he really needs other people to handle shit like writing and world building. Pic tangentially related.
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>>438333904
I admittedly enjoyed FFXV (I will admit I got it a year after launch so a lot of the problems were patched out) but I'm of the same sentiment that this is what they deserve. There was a lot of doddling and hiding so much shit behind DLC was a garbage decision on their part.
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Who can save Final Fantasy?
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>>438334557
"Resigned" the same way Sakaguchi and Matsuno "Resigned"
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>>438320098

He should try to make a game that isn't a convoluted mess. He's off his fucking rocker if he thinks that he's worthy to succeed Sakaguchi.
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>>438334753
SaGa guys.
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>>438334901
Isn't Sakaguchi literally the one who told him to make his stories insane in the first place lol
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>>438319137
What happened?
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>>438334753
My dick.
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>>438334753
The closest I can come up with is maybe the leads of Bravely Default. They'd need a very solid premise for the game, though.
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>>438334753
The only real answer is Tetsuya Nomura but even seems to not give a fuck about FF anymore either and Square forced him to make FF 7 Remake because nobody else is contempt enough
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Does XIV even get anything out of this "Collab"?
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>>438333889
Why are you surprised? This is the same shit that happened with XIV 1.0. The only difference is XV doesn't have a subscription fee to milk the retards that bought it so they're dropping it entirely instead of trying to keep it going anymore.
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>>438334884
Damn. I know some people still think modern Capcom is bad, but in my opinion they've unfucked themselves as of late. I'm hoping the same happens with Square Enix. I fear another Konami is on the horizon if shit doesn't get sorted out.
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>>438335142
Yes he was. Nomura's original pitch for kh was something along the lines of a boy traveling to different disney worlds and then beating a witch as the final boss
Gooch told him the game should appeal to FF fans as well and not just kids
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>>438319345
Over the years, I still boot up an emulator to play some FFV, so I think that is the one I go for. It's the Final Fantasy that I think best encapsulated the high point of the early part of the series and the simple story worked well for a game that was really focused on the gameplay side of things.
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>>438334884
it's a tricky one to say whether he 'resigned' or not. he wasn't exactly fired, yet he was kinda forced out.
how I see the timeline:
>squeenix brass realise they have no free team for FF16 and it needs to enter production now if it's to ever release on PS5
>they look at Tabata's record as a director and realise they don't want him in charge of an entire new IP using one of their best teams
>they tell him that he and his team will be making FF16 (or some other big IP, AAA game) and he says no
>they offer him some other positions
>he says no, and realises he has to resign at this point
>squeenix realises there's no point in doing the DLCs (which won't sell all that well anyway) without Tabata, and cancels them
>this leads to the 33 mil loss on their accounts

that about covers it. ultimately it's a rare good decision from squeenix. tabata is mediocre at best and should never have been entrusted with a full team and new IP just because he 'rescued' FFXV.
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>>438335364
Where they cancelled because that guy left or is he leving because that shit got cancelled?
I still don't really follow, what has Nomura to do with all that?
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>>438335241
I don't think he'd want to, nor do I think he should. If anything, I think he'd probably nominate someone else to save the franchise.
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>>438321349
The "XV drained resources from XIV" is a meme from the ffxiv community with no real value whatsoever. just like claiming they are the best mmo financially (or second one) out there. There is no Data avaliable suggesting none of that. Thinking a company on the size of Square need the MMO particular money to fund a new flagship game, is also erpger tier.
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>Takeshi ate shit to survive, crawling into sewage tanks. One day, he realized that he wished to return to his mother’s womb. So, he entered through her mouth as best he could, and fell into her stomach., which grew large once more. Unfortunately, this ultimately suffocated her. Once inside her corpse, Takeshi tore her stomach open from the inside and peeked his head out. His second birth was complete.
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>>438335467
How'd they lose that much money, anyway? Does making the DLC really cost 33 million? Or did FFXV fail to break even somehow?
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>>438334753
I am going to remind Square how to write a story. I will save the Final Fantasy. >>438328061
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>>438321349
FF14 taking everyone else's resources is what got Square in the mess that Square is in now.
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>>438333889
>>438334093
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>>438335329
All the fucking collabs probably didn't help, because I highly doubt such deals with other companies are free.

And maybe if they hadn't made THREE 13 games despite the first being hot garbage
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So now that Final Fantasy XV is completed now. What do rate the game?

It's a solid 7/10 for me. What a fucking disappointment
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>>438334753
Honestly, at this point I think even /v/ could make a better FF than SE.
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>>438335534
Best guess is that while Tabata was working on his next project, a new IP for next gen consoles, it turned out it was shit and SE canned it. SE told Tabata he could stay and do other stuff like maybe FF16. He said nah and left. SE figured, we might assume, that without Tabata, why bother with the FF15 DLC. They just canned the 'new IP' and are moving Tabata's team/studio, Luminous Productions, onto the next thing, maybe FF16, ASAP, so they'd rather just shut down FF15 and move on.
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>>438335884
DNF/10
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>>438335807
>FF14 taking everyone else's resources
Considering the pace of content release for 14, I donb't think that's the reason.
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>>438335884
>So now that Final Fantasy XV is completed now. There's one more story DLC left.

Only 3 out of the 4 planned DLC in the 2nd batch were canned
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>>438335709
Failed to break even, considering how many times they scrapped it and started over, all the collabs, and all the money spent on marketing and such for 10 fucking years.
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I'm really fucking pissed about this. I was looking towards all the DLC and maybe getting a complete game at the end of it instead of a now Forever unfinished game. The base game was a disappointment and the dlc helped but just seem a slap in the face to fans who put the support and money in from the start to get fucked over like this.
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>>438335884
Solid ideas. Terrible execution. Bonus points for Comrades having better gameplay. 6/10
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>>438335807
Nah, SE got into its own mess far earlier. At least as early as 2006 when they came up with the FNC bullshit and tried to build every game off of Crystal Tools. They got by alright during the PS2 era, but by the end of it the problems were starting to show up and they had nothing final fantasy for the next gen ps360 consoles. Then again, lots of people had trouble with PS3 development and its slow take off didn't help.
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>>438319137
>Held off from buying the game waiting for all the DLC to be released
>This happens

Should I even bother with this game?
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>>438335912
Wasn't it the AAA games that got them in this mess?
Why are they doubling down?
They need to make more AA shit instead. They need to focus on FF14.
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>>438328270
Playing FF12 Zodiac Age right now. Its really fun. The game gets quite easy so I tend to run off into late-game areas, trying to fight off high-level enemeis, figuring out which status ailment works and setting up according gambits for survival is super fun. Then I come back to the main plot and obliterate the bosses with stronger weapons, something I really miss as an option in games with open-ish world like these and what I have been missing from Final Fantasy for some time. Also, FF storytelling has always been subpar, dont fall for that meme. Only 6, 7 and X had forethought put into them. 12 sadly spreads itself too thin when it counts, but there is so much transparent cultural diversity and geographical world building that it compensates a lot for the things it falls short on when it comes to characters. This is due to the fact that they didn't want to leave Ashe as the main character as it should be because "muh female mc" so they had to add a nobody and the nobodies closest buddy as an excuse.
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>>438335586
Considering how much shit YoshiP has said he'd like to do, a few of them would require some actual funding. And given that FFXV wasn't making anywhere near as much money as Square thought it would, yet FFXIV made retarded amounts do to subs, name changes/transfers, and all the Mog Station shit, where the fuck did all the money go?
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>>438336191
try to see if you can get the Royal Edition on a sale
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>>438335709
SE did a review of Luminous productions work and realized what they were making wasn't worth it. Besides the Ardyn dlc, they scrapped all of it
Then either
>Tabata was told they were making LP a business division but he said no thanks and left
or
>Him wasting money led SE to firing him.
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>>438333791
Yeah, Versus seemed to have a very strange but cohesive world logic. But by the time it came it it was just a generic clusterfuck. That was just one of the dozens, hundreds of things that stopped making sense because of the complete change in context.

The most obvious example being Noctis and Stella caught on opposite sides of a conflict. Instead Lunafreya was a basic love interest that went nowhere.
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>>438336191
If you can get the game for $20 then yeah give it shot. DO NOT pay more than $20 for this. This game is just an utter fucking mess
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>>438336205
Basch is the main character of the game.
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>>438336000
So the story related DLC was scrapped, but the FFXIV "collab" is the 4th DLC we're getting?
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im kinda pissed off about this shit.

i wanted to see the final episode: episode Noctis, as it clealry sounded like he wanted to take on the gods in order to return to the world of the living, cuz seriously, the gods from FFXV are a bunch of massive dicks.

>Ifrit sends a plague of monsters and death on earth out of spite towards humans.
>The other gods, instead of dealing and stopping the shit their comrade started, they tricked out a guy by giving the power to purify the victims, just to forsake him once he got corrupted by the disease.
>on the time of the final descendant, the gods preprare a plan that requires for all the kings to be dead so their fucking guinea pig can die, 2000 years after.

>At the end it seems EVERYONE DIED, except for a couple people.

i wanted to see Noctis killing the gods and making them pay for the harm THEY caused to the world and all the deaths they caused.
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>>438334753
Tetsuya Takahashi, after Square-Enix gives up, fires all of their incompetent retards, and buys Monolith.
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>>438335910
Ok, last try at shilling. Promise >>438328061
>>438328665
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>>438336191
Hoping to get the royal edition used now that DLC is down. I'll just watch the ardyn dlc on youtube
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>>438323134
hell be fine
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>>438336513
No, we're getting Episode Ardyn. Luna/Aranea/Noctis were scrapped. The collab isn't dlc; it's an event like the other collabs.
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>>438336249
Get it on Black Friday. Royal Edition will probably end up being like 10 bucks or less somewhere, be it PSN or a fucking Target.
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>>438336513
>So the story related DLC was scrapped, but the FFXIV "collab" is the 4th DLC we're getting?

There was 4 more planned character episodes for XV:
Ardyn (March 2019 release)
Areana (cancelled)
Luna (cancelled)
Noctis (cancelled)
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>>438336249
meant for >>438336191
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>>438336590
Sorry, let me fix that
>Honestly, at this point I think even /v/ (minus the fag shilling his FF7 fanfic) could make a better FF than SE.
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>>438333118
Sillent Hills though
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>>438336754
You will regret your words and deeds.
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>>438336195
AA/midcore games died a long time ago, though, from what I understand, the Switch has given SE a place to make such games. Then there are games like Nier Automata and Left Alive. So, it's not like they aren't doing those types of games.

If SE gave up on "AAA" type games, they'd stop being a "top tier" publisher. It's kind of a prestige thing. There's also the tech involved. A lot of it done at the AAA level is cutting edge and eventually moves down.

Honestly, if SE wanted to just make money, they could just go 100% to mobile games. But even the 100% mobile games people aren't doing so well these days. They're diversifying.

Big AAA games also are branding. You sell a lot of other stuff alongside the game and gives you that brand power.

tbqh, it sounds like SE gave Tabata a lot of money to do a prototype like the one we saw of FFXV at E3 2013. That footage we saw was built in like 6 months or so. Tabata and his team gave it a whack, and it didn't pan out. That's kind of how these things go. It's just too bad Tabata left. SE really doesn't have a whole lot of people at his level. Which should say something given he made plenty of mistakes with FFXV. But he kept with it, finished the game, and shipped it off.

I kind of hoped we would see a lot of what he and his team learned from FFXV in their next project. Now, I wonder if there will be a next project.

FF7R is essentially FF16. The real FF16 won't be around for 4-5 years I bet. A lot could happen to SE in that time.
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>>438334385
I really fucking hate the fact that they tried to make Prompto some kind of weirdass lab baby. What a fucking forced way to address and resolve his insecurity issues. What really would have been envelope-pushing (for this genre at least) was if Prompto really was just an ordinary former fatty trying to keep up with his much cooler friends, then have his self-esteem issues resolved organically by showing his value to a team through personal development; just a regular guy with his own unique hobbies and a desire for self-improvement, rather than make him a literal abomination at the last minute and shoehorn a conflict for the dramatic JRPG bullshit effect. Maybe it wouldn't been better to make him a trouble-making playboy as originally planned (IIRC).

The mafia royalty idea was also really fucking cool too. I wouldn't have minded the Lucian kings we got either though if the bloodline actually had some interesting history behind it (under than Ardyn).

cool art btw
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>>438336616
Isn't the PC version the Royal Edition?
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>>438336943
>under than Ardyn
other
fuck me
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>>438327647
Looks more like Aya Brea
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>>438336943
>I really fucking hate the fact that they tried to make Prompto some kind of weirdass lab baby

did that have any sort of impact on the plot?

>>438337018
>Isn't the PC version the Royal Edition?
Yes.
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I knew FF15 was going to be shit when I first saw the trailer in 2006. This company has lost the fucking plot completely.
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Who's ready for the FF7Remake on Pachinko
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>>438335467
That’s pretty much the timeline. Probably didn’t want to end up like Nomura working on several projects at once. He really wasn’t fired. Square would have absolutely kept him on, but Tabata didn’t want to deal with them anymore
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>>438336209
Yoshi P can talk a lot. Anyone can, See any game designer who is open about his own job and you will see dozen of features scrapped. Funding in real life is not like buying a upgrade in videogame, the costs that you had with a project is on big part due to Man/Hours working on it. So not only Yoshi would need the budget to include a bigger team, but also time to tackle on new features. Then you have the MMO Structure of Expansions 2 years. and a line of patches already designed. If Yoshi indeed wish and fight for bigger changes on the game and a higher budger. we can only see results in the next expansion. And by Conclusion, you can ask where is the Tomb Raider money, Where is the gacha money, where is the Dragon quest xi money, where is the SaGa money. is a big company, and all speculations that the XIV fanbase does on how much money XIV brings to the table is that. Speculation. We have no hard data on Mog Station shit, Number of subs, and transfer or name changes. My guess is that the Subscriber number is MUCH LESSER than the expected by the community, which is the reason why they feel the need to keep pushing the store in the first place.
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>>438335467
>Actyally believe Eurogamer "theories" and tryung to make Tabata looks good
He is doom the moment Kingsglaive bomb and FFXV sakes is in truth don't even reach break even. Why? Kingsglaive alone take 100m to make and it flop horribly with less than 10m in return, the game can sell for 15m copy and still can't cover that shit.
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>>438319345
XIII-2 because I like time travel stuff and the soundtrack is great.
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>>438319137

why is people praissing nomura when it was his fault that FFXV was in development hell for so long?, Tabata was brought to fix Nomuras shit and finally release FF XV.
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Between 1997 and 2001 we got 5 great FF games and a bunch of other solid games from Squaresoft.

Now it takes 10 years to make one shit FF game.
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>>438337275
>Between 1997 and 2001 we got 5 great FF games and a bunch of other solid games from Squaresoft.

reminds me of that one time that someone posted a list of the 20ish games that Capcom shat out in a 5 year span.
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>>438337271
>when it was his fault that FFXV
lol, I'm sure you're well versed in this subject
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>>438337275
This is a totally unique post of which I have never seen the likes of before :^)
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>>438337075
>did that have any sort of impact on the plot?

Absolutely fucking not. The other guys literally just handwave it away. You'd think at least Gladio and Iggy would freak the fuck out that one of the members of their little entourage had ties to the empire that KILLED their fucking king and was hunting down the next one in line, the one in their fucking care, the one they're extremely protective over, but I guess not.

Then again, the retards trusted Ardyn, so.
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>Fast friends with Noctis since they met as teenagers, Prompto is a young man of common birth
>of common birth
>he's actually a fucking abomination clone thing
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>>438337187
100m possibly actually doesn't do much damage. I did the math on the payout FF15 got after people were suspicious of the claims that FF15 made back its budget.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/416851163/#416862319
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/416851163/#416862429
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>Still believing this false narrative
My god when will this end. Multiple times this has been proven to be false. Goddamn people
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>>438334753
Only the return of the one true king can shed this blight that damns the land.
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>>438337137
I expect them to make a god-tier FF7R mobile game desu. Maybe the best thing to come out of all this.
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>>438337761
The dude can't even fucking make a MOBILE GAME IN JAPAN BE SUCCESSFUL
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>>438337782
FFXV Mobile was originally intended to look like FF7

They'd pull some bullshit and make FF7Mobile look like FFXV Mobile
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>>438337761
Sry but I think he is out of ideas or something. His mistwalker stuff hasn’t been that good.
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>>438337782
I expect one mobile game for each of the Gold Saucer minigames bare minimum, as well as the FF7R Pocket Edition.
Probably some bullshit way to sync up your mobile and FF7R minigames too for extra prizes or some shit.
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>>438337275
FF7, FF8, and FF10 are pure trash. 9 and 11 are pure kino. Tactics was god tier. And there was plenty of reused garbage in all those games. The Call of Duty of the late 90s.
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>FFXV put out of its misery
>SE lost tens of millions
>Rudy Ginsberg literally at death's door
>Another mysterious mass shooting in Cali

Today has been interesting as fuck
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>>438338231
Shit taste.
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>>438337761
Sakaguchi has been a fuck up since The Spirits Within bombed and his studio is on the verge of going bankrupt. He'll only make FF even worse than what it already is. At this point just nuke the whole FF franchise and cut your losses
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When do we get a trailer for the XV content in XIV?
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>>438338114
Fuck you, Lost Odyssey was great.
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>>438336585
You Nintendo is going to let them go that easy?
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>>438338114
as someone who played The Last Story, I must agree
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>>438338253
I always suspected Prompto to be a white nationalist.
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>>438334753
Yoko Taro
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>>438338359
Fanfest.
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>>438335884
Tempted to go 6/10 but I didn’t bother to finish it so I probably ought not to pass judgment.
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>>438338405
cause he has blonde hair and blue eyes? racist
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>>438325307
>Nomura: actually has a vision
>Tabata: indecisive fuck
Tabata is anything but director or leader material
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>>438338626
>but I didn’t bother to finish it
Neither did SE lmao
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>>438335884
6/10 when I finished the early access edition.

Like a fucking 4/10 when I actually took the time to digest what the fuck I played.
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>>438334753
It needs to take an honest to goodness break as a brand, at least with the mainline games, until there is someone who has a strong vision for a FF game that could be developed and pushed out in the span of 2 or 3 years tops.
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>square enix actually fucking makes a game for once, octopath traveller
>likely lower budget, developed quickly
>an actual success
>THEY STILL MANAGE TO FUCK UP AND DONT BOTHER TO SHIP THE GAME
square enix can't do ANYTHING right
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>>438338386
It will only take a couple major flops. Monolith doesn't have a solid track record, they have one major hit, and one game desperate weebs bought in the absence of alternatives.
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>>438338482
Nope. Let him do his own thing. He's at his best when he is paired with competent devs working with a limited budget.
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>>438319687
How the fuck did a hack like tabata manage to get as much power as he did? No really how the fuck he has no talent
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>>438320098
Make a good game?
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>>438338980
>>438338482
>He's at his best
Taro is a fucking meme. He's made ONE well-received, well selling game. JUST ONE.
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>all that Nomura shilling here
say what you want, but he is one reason why Final Fantasy XV is in the state it s
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>>438338812

Sure. But, to be honest, SE seems to be plagued by an absolute retarded board of executives since the merger. They seem to try to make decisions based on what is trending, but completely miss the mark every time. The most sound decision to come out of SE in years was to let Yoko Taro develop a game with an actual budget and that only happened because Saito is his bud.

They're lucky they've got FFXIV to milk. Other than that and mobile shit, I don't remember an SE game that performed to expectation in recent years.
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>>438339129
Because Nomura wants to be the ideas guy and wants muh vision, so he has never strived to do shit a Producer would do. He never had to get his hands dirty.
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>>438327010
>Vaan with a shirt.
Wait. How???
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>>438322758
I feel the same way, but for FF12: IZJS.
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>>438339310
I'll say this then

Crystal Tools
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>>438333118
>Nomura and Kojima had to watch both of their games go to shit
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>>438338812
I wonder what kind of shape such a game would take. If it would be full fantasy with some tech elements like IV and V, or full tech with fantasy elements like VII. If it would be more based on european aesthetics like I or IX, or more asian/middle eastern ones like X and XII. Though I at least think we can safely say it shouldn't be planned like a giant billion dollar franchise to have a billion movies and books and episodic content and who knows what the hell else.
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>>438319687
he didn't even "make" FF7 he was a character designer and somehow he's now the director on remake which is honestly the biggest red flag for me
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>>438339129
He was friends with nomura, got half of his projects through him and road his belts to success.
Nomura leaving to work on kh3 exposed tabata as a fraud
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>>438339395
Kingdom Hearts shit collections and the third game are more relevant to Square than XIV will ever been in financial matters
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>>438339304
Which is why he should be kept away from a franchise like FF. He's at his best with enthusiastic mechanics guys helping him make his weird ass games on a tight budget.
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>>438339550
>he was a character designer
He did more than that
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>>438339685
Why did Sakaguchi like Nomura so much, anyway? He really seemed to take Nomura under his wing.
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>>438339550
okay but consider that you might be wrong and that somehow is because he contributed a lot more than you think
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>>438339685
This reminds me. Wasn't Nomura the one who wanted to make it so at the paradropping sequence into Midgar at the end of the game every team member not in your party just went and died?
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>>438329419
last i heard from him he was discussing the female agency of aranea and lunafreya on resetEra.
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>>438339925
He's the one who vetoed it
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>>438339813
he must been that guy from the job that always listens to his boss and does everything he told him
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>>438339945
I think he lasted all of a few months.
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>KH3 is now Squares main franchise
Feels good KH bros
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>>438340006
Who was the absolute madman who wanted to do it then?
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>>438339503
This. Say what you will about Nomura and Tabata as directors, there was nothing more detrimental to XV’s development.
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>>438335975
He's talking about ARR, which is one of the reasons why VersusXIII/FFXV took so much time to come out. The team that was originally planned to work on XV had to help with ARR.
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>>438339925
Nomura was against that shit, man. In fact, a lot of the more cruel ideas in FF7 were avoided thanks to him.
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>>438340034
Just make sure we get that SFM porn.
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>>438339925
No he prevented that from happening
Kitase and/or Nojima wanted that to happen, but Nomura thought killing off the party would diminish the impact of Aerith's death
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>>438340034
But it was ever since DQ XI came out
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>>438339813
Guess he saw Nomura as a real"go getter". I mean Nomura defiantly seems to be the that type of guy,
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>>438339813
It's not only Nomura but Kitase, Ito, and Matsuno are all his "kids". Actually, these guys fucking hate Wada because that snake is part of the reason Gooch got kicked out of the company.
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>>438340137
Everyone had to work on ARR, because everyone was using Crystal Tools to make their games, even before it was finished, and that was because SE was hot garbage when it came to game engines back then and Japan hadn't heard of Unreal yet. Not to mention SE announced Versus before it was more than a concept on paper.
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>>438339550
Character designer and came up with the story and all the characters backstories and came up with battle visuals and came up with numerous concepts like Limits. Nomura was heavily involved with FF 7. Only thing he didn't do was direct it. Why are you trying to downplay Nomura's involvement with FF 7? The reason why FF 7 is so beloved and memorable even to this day is because of Nomura's involvement
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>>438340290
Why is that a bad thing again?
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>>438340169
Nomura's got ambition and a damn good artstyle at least. KH splintered into an overcomplicated mess, but goddamn if he didn't try.
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Can I get a quick rundown as someone who doesn't play ff?
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>>438340140
Yeah, I remember that someone’s (gooch?) mother died during development and whoever it was kept insisting on inserting all sorts of morbid shit.
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>>438340451
Shit happened. Now we're picking up said shit and throwing it at each other like rabid chimps.
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>>438340451
millions of people got cucked out of the time, money, and loyalty they poured into one game
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>>438340451
>Square Enix HL Episode 3/MGS V releases and is a mess, but eventually sells 8 millions while having shit ton no post launch DLC trying to fix the story
>Square gets fed up with this shit and kicks the director of the game from the company and cancels the remaining DLC for the game
>People are fighting now to say who's to blame for this mess, aside from SE own incompetence, while the future of the company is uncertain after KH 3 releases
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>>438339685
That is not a screenshot of Final Fantasy VII.
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What are the chances that Episode Ardyn ends up extremely botched because of this? I'm already unimpressed with the announcement trailer. .
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>>438340779
Yes it is, that's the credits.
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Okay fags, describe to me your perfect FF game only by using comparisons to previous FFs.
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>>438340549
Who the fuck cares about JRPG's stereotypes hiding as "messages"? Just kill everyone at the end, it would be better than the whole angel/dbz shit at the end
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>>438340897
What?
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>>438340779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZhfdi_3eBQ
3:57
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>>438319402
>high t males
>/v/
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>>438340884
make it like FF8
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this is a real shame. I enjoyed FFXV a lot and feel bad for the fans who had a lot invested in the forthcoming DLC.

I hope square enix collapses and TRI ACE makes a comeback. I would like to see tales of phantasia and star ocean rereleased on steam.
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>>438340884
Set FFV, job system and all, in a world with some similarity to FFVII.
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>>438340941
fuck yeah
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>>438341052
ok maybe like FF8 but with actual characters
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>>438339735
Wonder if with FFXV dead FFXIV will finally get the funding needed to get some programmers and try to fix the spaghetti code, or at least finish up the halfway done features like the glamour armoire.
Or just get better servers, the EU datacenter has exploded at least five times this last month.
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>>438340759
Tabata was given a huge mess and told to fix it in what 1 to 2 years? I hardly count that as his fault. Nomura is at fault for FFXV being a train wreck.
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>>438341193
Go away Tabata
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>>438341132
No seriously, what the fuck does that even mean? Are you even sure we're talking about the same thing? What the hell does angel dbz shit mean?
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>>438340884
Job system and overworld like V, bestiary and voice acting like XII, art direction and characters like IX, summons like X, story completely unlike that of XIII, XV or VIII.
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>>438341193
Both are at fault (SE included), no one is "not responsible"
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>>438341193
>what 1 to 2 years?
He got 4.5 years, an engine that was designed specifically around xv, and a staff of more than 20 people
Nomura never got the later two
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>>438341181
haha...yea
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>>438341293
I was just talking about the cliche God and stuff that every FF has by the end of it. Killing a lot of characters would be more interesting and praised nowadays, since everyone is familiar with JRPG stereotypes
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Nomura literally can't finish a game, every time he'd pass off his duties to someone else to finally make the game. He's a hack who still has a job because seniority.
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>>438341313
but I liked XV story. the ending and brotherhood was very touching.
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>>438341517
t. Tabata
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>>438341517
>Nomura literally can't finish a game
>Has 8 games released
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>>438341517
Have you ever thought the reasons he gets put onto multiple games is out of his control
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>>438341193
Only issue with FFXV Nomura's at fault for is Noctis looking like bargain bin sasuke. Everything else was the absolutely mental production obstacles SE kept throwing at the project, including engine changes and team shifts/resource re-allocation

>>438341362
This
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>>438341517
>Can't finish a game
>His most anticipated game comes out in 3 months
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>>438341507
It already gets enough praise for breaking the mold of standard JRPG fare, there's no need to kill the entire cast but 3 characters to do it even more
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>>438319137
So, we can all agree that...

>IX was the last good FF game
>X was the start of the decline in quality control
>Square's motto has been style over substance for more than a decade
>Square merging with Enix was a mistake for the long term
>Square cares more about merchandise and mobile money these days
>The Spirits Within, Advent Children, and Kingsglaive should never have been made
>X-2 was a mistake
>the Crystal Chronicles games got worse with each new title
>most of their old talent left the studio long ago
>Enix these days is better than Square
>Dragon Quest is better than FF and KH
>All The Bravest was one of the worst mobile games ever created
>the FFXIII Trilogy was a mistake
>FFXV, in its current form, died once Nomura left the project
>FFXV's story sucked
>FFXV's gameplay sucked
>Square should've given Final Fantasy to a 3rd Party to develop for
>the majority of Square's fanbase is mostly composed of Tumblrinas (pic related)
>their only decent releases have been Octopath & Nier Automata over the past few years
>Business Division 2 sucks
>they're one of the most mismanaged Japanese companies in the history of gaming

...right? They're shit. They're a shit company. They're no longer good. They're bad. Their core teams suck ass. They pale in comparison to Nintendo, Atlus, Level Five, From Software, Bamco, and even Sega. Enix is more preferable. Square needs to die off and sell their IPs. They're a detriment to Japanese gaming.
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>>438330000
post the 4k maxed out version nigs
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>>438341546
Okay, you can totally have that and that kind of wholesome ending, but I want the primary story focus throughout the game to be on the world and the events going on in it, and the secondary focus to be on the main characters and their struggles or relationships with each other. Not the other way around. Saving the world shouldn't feel like it's an afterthought storywise.
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>>438341781
>IX was the last good FF game
No, that was XII
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>>438322832
Good. FF hadn't been good for DECADES. About time someone put it out of its misery.
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>>438341546
That's more to do with the storytelling and characters, not the story itself.
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>>438340779
>it's another Nomura hater is a full retard again episode
Never ceases to amaze me
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>>438341908
>storytelling and characters
Neither of which were any good in XV, mind you.
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>>438341781
Agreed, except Enix was always better than Square.
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So they open a new studio in May and somehow it got so fucked in 6 months that they sacked the Chief now.
That's impressive.
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>>438341781
>>Dragon Quest is better than FF and KH
Yeah. It's why I wish we'd get DQX in the states
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>>438341517
Another dumbass Nomura hater who is talking out of his ass and doesn't realize how retarded he looks.
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>>438342176
They got fucked BECAUSE they've opened the studio, it is a future investment, which they don't want Tabata anywhere near it
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>>438341781
>the majority of Square's fanbase is mostly composed of Tumblrinas (pic related)
Considering that the common wisdom in /v/ is supposed to be that Tumblr doesn't play games I fail to see how it would care that much about a 30 year old JRPG franchise.
>X-2 was a mistake
It's story certainly was
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>>438342176
They don't call him Hajimmy "The Hack" Tabata for no reason
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>>438342206
>>438341993
Delusional.
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>>438335884
Had fun with it. 7/10
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>>438342336
>I fail to see how it would care that much about a 30 year old JRPG franchise.
You should really see the FF/KH fanbase
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>>438340884

>XV's setting
>VII's Materia
>An actual action combat system with real differences based on gameplay style and custom gear not just pressing X to <flashy move>
>not 15 weapons that generally don't matter which picture you use.
>XII's gambits, which are given to characters by default so they have a personality in combat that you can then customize.
>Anti summon battles, that are so damn hard at random you actually need summons and limit breaks to counter them. Or you are stuck <tedious hard fight> or <flee>
>A method of charging or tricky execution to summons or limit breaks that can be failed or underprepared for
>fishing, cards, pinball are all decent minigames and can be kept
>the poke'mon betting could have used more depth
>dlcs are all basically new game+ with your existing party but your party always has an open guest slot specifically for this kinda shit
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>>438342336
Well why do people care about Star Wars? It’s old as fuck and not even good anymore. The new movies are trash but the fanbase is bred to be uncritical.

For all the shit FF gets, its because FF fans are actually critical, have expectations, and want to relive the magic of the old days. There is no media franchise that has the same soul.
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>>438340884

Oh also a merger of the materia and gambit system.

>You receive Black Gambit Materia
>It's pretty stupid and rudimentary without some grinding to polish it
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>>438342726
>There is no media franchise that has the same soul.
Mega Man fag here, hello friend
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>>438342726
>Well why do people care about Star Wars?
Stockholm Syndrome, same shit with modern FF
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>>438333118

The that franchises that I loved since I was a child....died ignoble deaths...
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>>438342878

>Well why do people care about Star Wars?
Stockholm Syndrome, same shit with modern FF

Fucking this. People just need to stop throwing money at reheated garbage.
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>>438342368
Game Arts also made better RPGs than Square.
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>>438336561

It was going to suck anon.

Episode Luna would be about her doing Luna things and talking about duty and shit in the after life and episode Noctis would be a forced good ending.

The ending was the best part about FFXV and even that Tabata wanted to remake
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>>438333118
Cid... I'm already a Malboro
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>>438341781
>>IX was the last good FF game
Decent, but sure. At least in a single player sense.
>>X was the start of the decline in quality control
That was more VII, as that started their boner for HD/HQ everything.
>>Square's motto has been style over substance for more than a decade
Try 2 Decades
>>Square merging with Enix was a mistake for the long term
Not really, the issue was more of who was put in charge
>>Square cares more about merchandise and mobile money these days
That's always been their thing since VIII
>>The Spirits Within, Advent Children, and Kingsglaive should never have been made
I'd argue Kingsglaive was the best of the three, but it should have been an in-game thing.
>>X-2 was a mistake
Yes-ish
>>the Crystal Chronicles games got worse with each new title
Yes
>>most of their old talent left the studio long ago
That can be said for a lot of companies
>>Enix these days is better than Square
They are the same company, DQ is BD6
>>Dragon Quest is better than FF and KH
In a lot of aspects, yes
>>All The Bravest was one of the worst mobile games ever created
undoubtedly
>>the FFXIII Trilogy was a mistake
From a fan perspective, yes. But it was not a mistake financially, XIII-2 & LR is what funded XIV ARR
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>>438340884
Job system from XI
Enhanced ATB system with elements from X-2, XIII, and LR
General world and plot style/structure from IX
Characters similar to VII
Side content like a mix of VII and XII
A world map like DQVIII
And if we're going full pipe-dream, a separate mode that lets you create a custom character to explore the world and do sidequests freely, either by yourself (and letting you make multiple characters or recruit NPCs to fill out your party) or with others online like a sort of pseudo-MH style game, which I guess would be most similar to Comrades from XV
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>>438343309
>>FFXV, in its current form, died once Nomura left the project
It died when they did the premier event with the XV Universe announcement. Before the game was Gold and set to print.
>>FFXV's story sucked
It was Okay, definitely not the worst though.
>>FFXV's gameplay sucked
Yes
>>Square should've given Final Fantasy to a 3rd Party to develop for
I'd rather not, I'd rather they reuse engines with new assets than give to a third party.
>>the majority of Square's fanbase is mostly composed of Tumblrinas (pic related)
franchise is big enough where there's no dominate demo
>>their only decent releases have been Octopath & Nier Automata over the past few years
I'd argue they're good
>>Business Division 2 sucks
yes
>>they're one of the most mismanaged Japanese companies in the history of gaming
That's early to late 2000s Sega
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>>438333118
>Chapter 3 never ever
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>>438330661
cgi from 12 years ago looks better than games in 2018 YIKES





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