but with no facebook shit
sounds good to me

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>2026
>110 FOV
KEK

>>725807298
At more than double the price

>NOOOO WHY ISN'T IT THE SAME SPECS AS THE NICHE $3000 HEADSETS
because those are niche $3000 headsets anon

>>725807427
Easily worth it imo

>>725807448
It has the same specs as a $500 headset, while costing $900

>>725807630
the $500 headset doesn't have a seamless solution for foveated streaming from your computer with an included 6ghz router

>>725807702
It's also half the price and does 95% of what the frame does. People who already have a quest 3 have no reason to get this, while for people without a headset it's going to be a tough sell over the quest 3
LCD
110 FOV
Basically same resolution -/+ 100 pixels
Same battery life
It really is just a quest 3 with valve's logo stamped on

>>725808145
you have unrealistic expectations

>>725807630
>>725808145
And more importantly what even is/will be there in VR to justify a $1k headset right now?

>>725807258
quest 3 but real pcvr software support

what does this do that a quest 3 can't do, besides play 2d steam games natively

>>725808268
So true, how stupid of me to expect a $900 product to be better than a $500 one that's over 2 years old

I'm interested in this a lot. A Quest device but without Facebook sounds like a dream. The fact that it's Steam OS would be great for Linux VR as well. And importantly I can wank to VR Porn without telling my friend group.

>>725808486
eye tracking
native steamvr integration instead of having to use meta software

Did they announce a $900 price tag or is that speculation?

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>>725807258
no drift alone justifies the price.

>>725808725
All we know is it's supposed to cost less than $1000.

>>725807258
I don't care, I just saw the videos and I'm fucking impressed, this will be my first ever VR gear. Like can you actually fucking imagine that this fucking thing runs on arm and can play x86 games? Bro I can goon with those glasses on, I can watch movies with it, I can finally experience VR chat, I can create my own emulation room, I can install fucking mihon.. like holy shit fuck your doomerism, I will get one for shoe.

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>>725808605
>>725807258
How does it comare to Pico?
Pico has always had Meta beat in every regard (only issue being their default Link app sucks so you have to buy VD)

A complete waste of money unless it's $600, at most. It's already not much better than a Quest and Quest 4 will absolutely obliterate it. Hopefully meta releases a good wireless adapter with the Quest 4 though. Going through a router fucking sucks.

>>725809040
same

>>725809040
Anon this isn't the first
MOST headsets that aren't Meta are just Android devices with ARM chips
>>725809132
I use Virtual Desktop through a 5Ghz wifi and it plays perfectly. I can imagine a modern router being even better.
The base PC just needs to be on Ethernet

>>725809040
You can do all of this on the Quest 3.

>>725809249
Yeah, but this is Linux VR not Android VR. That difference is huge. I be able to wank to VR Porn for tbe first time and not worry about someone tracking me.

>>725809261
The quest 3 can play hades 2 from my steam library without a pc?

>>725809040
You're going to try all of those things for like an hour and then never try again and you can't even return it. Just buy a Quest 3 from Best Buy or Amazon. You can use it until January 14 and then return it. Tell them it has a dead pixel and they will just take it back. Movies and 2D games on a big screen look like shit due to the dim screen and low resolution.

>>725809401
>Movies and 2D games on a big screen look like shit due to the dim screen and low resolution.
damn if only they had monochrome passthrough

>>725808725
They said less than the index, so anything less than $1000. I don't see it costing less than $800 though

>>725809052
I have a Pico 4 and i really don't see any reason to upgrade. Same screen resolution, both have pancake lenses, I'm sure the motion clarity will be better, IQ and latency should be lower with AV1 and foveated streaming but at the end of the day it's not that much. You'd probably be best off buying a better graphics card and pushing higher resolutions

>>725809332
Wait it's running Proton?

>>725809332
I'm quite sure it is android, i heard it runs APKs on the DF video i think

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>>725809179
>same
based
>>725809249
>MOST headsets that aren't Meta are just Android devices with ARM chips
Yea but isn't valve the first one with x86 to arm translation? With FEX? correct me if I'm wrong: Meta devices are x86 and can play standalone? And arm devices are connected to your PC? But valve combines that?
>>725809261
>You can do all of this on the Quest 3.
Okay good, but I will go for the Frame, just because it's the new kid on the block and I just got inrested + meta isn't loonix and therefore = spyware
>one more thing
Will you stick with your current VR gear? Or switch over to the Frame?

>>725809470
What does passthrough have to do with making the screen better? I probably used my Quest 3 for like 200+ hours during the holiday returns. There's really no point to keep this thing after that, you've already seen it it has to offer.

>>725807427
>>725807630
Proofs?

I can see why the frame took so long. They released it alongside the box and new controller. Plus it has a whole custom VR Linux OS with ARM translation. I just hope it doesn't take six fucking years for the frame 2. Around 3 years seems to be the amount of time in between VR headset generations

>>725808268
>the quest 3 isnt real bro

shut the fuck up

>>725809569
No it runs Proton I believe

>>725809401
Anon... please don't do this, you can't imagine how hyped I am. I'm tired of current gayming and I feel like VR could get me dopamine again. And this sounds coombrained af, but I need to experience VR porn... and anon can you fucking imagine: Playing Wii in VR with fucking remotes??? Like damn

This is exactly what I asked for.
This is what I wanted.
I will buy this.

>>725809532
yes
>>725809569
its linux steam OS with waydroid to run android apks, you can sideload them

>>725809734
VR porn is the only good thing but this thing can't even do color passthrough which is one of the coolest parts

Lol this thread smells like meta cucks buyers remorse

>>725809603
The price is going to be the deciding factor if the Frame is going to be worth switching to. I'm surprised by the amount of people indifferent/upset by the Frame's specs. Not just on 4chan where it's people shitposting. If you don't have a VR headset it will probably be worth getting.

>>725807427
You make it sound like that's a bad price to pay to remove jew-ware

>>725809734
Buy a Quest 3 on Amazon right now. You will have a 2 month return window. See if you like it or not.

I just wish I could buy controllers like that for lighthouse
why did they have to force meme VR controllers with no buttons before now

>>725809856
Thanks anon.
>>725809831
>can't even do color passthrough
ehm.. what is this exactly? :/

>>725809856
thats the problem, most people who care about VR have a quest 3 or better. There's just no upgrade to the display stack whatsoever if you are coming from quest 3

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Don't care still got my Rift S

>>725809920
The external cameras are called passthrough. There's porn videos with a transparent background so it looks like the whore is in your room on top of you

>5min ago gaymers nexus new frame video HYPE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSjvJDe6Ic

>>725807258
Controllers are literally cv1
>>725807427
But they said it was going to be less than index and index is like 499

>>725810034
Index without lighthouses and controllers is 499.

>>725810002
thanks jesus

>>725810110
And this was supposed to still be less than quest 3

>>725809997
OMFG I NEED THAT

>>725810248
Frame won't have proper passthrough only black and white. There's a slot at the front of the unit where people are suggesting you can put a color camera.

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>>725809997
where might one acquire such videos anon?

>>725809856
It is kind of like the new Steam Machine, it is not meant for the early adopters and enthusiasts. It is about getting the next wave of people on board with a cheaper and more refined version of what was already available.

A lot more people are going to pick up a $500 headset than a $1000 one. A lot more people will buy into a complete VR platform that costs $1000, than will buy into a complete VR platform that costs $3600.
These still aren't even the really mainstream devices. Those are still years away, but when they arrive, they probably won't be better, just cheaper.

>>725810002
I'll trust this guy over linus dick tips all day

>>725810002
thanks steve

>>725809856
It's completely open so it's going to be expensive as shit. The only reason the Quest is cheap is because they expect you to only buy games from the Meta store.

>>725809997
I think this is very important. But what about blocking all external vision and just "being in the video scene"
>Holy shit, I can't wait to POV deepthroat futa 2b.

>>725807258
unlike the quest 3, it actually makes me consider using a vr headset as my primary display device, so no it's not a quest 3 at all because you couldn't even PAY me to put a quest 3 on my head

>>725810510
>you couldn't even PAY me to put a quest 3 on my head
lmfao

>>725807702
for future reference, it's FoViated

>>725810510
>unlike the quest 3, it actually makes me consider using a vr headset as my primary display device
There is a reason no one does this. You will not do this. Do not purchase a VR headset for this reason.

>>725808486
>besides play 2d steam games natively
i like how you just handwave this as if it's nothing while also conveniently ignoring all of the other features that everyone but apparently you already knows about, fuck off you filthy fucking epig gays kike

>>725810560
no it's not?

>>725810337
problem is judging by the signals valve sent out neither the steam machine nor the frame is going to be cheap enough to do what you described (a pc not a console for the cube, less than index which is $1000 for frame)

>>725810609
>There is a reason no one does this.
because they cant play steam games and have to play meta shovelware?

I don't know what to believe anymore, so it really comes down to meta quest 3 and steam frame soon?

Can someone red pill me and spoon feed me the relevant x vs y facts?

>>725810661
$1000 will be the 1TB version for frame
256GB will be $600

>>725810710
because the resolution is dogshit for text and wearing something on your head all day feels like horrible

>>725809908
>Buy a Quest 3 on Amazon right now.
Metajeet shills are this brazen.

its more like a quest 4, oculus has let us down 2 years in a row so might as well fill their gap.

>>725810609
i will do it. i have wanted to use a vr display for a while now, i'm sick of using physical monitors and huge ass tvs as a kludge. i want to use a virtual even huger ass tv, and you can't stop me. gay ben is making my dreams a reality, and you can't stop him either. together we are unstoppable

>>725810765
>doesnt have e-ink for reading

>>725810774
You buy it to see if you like it and return it either way. Amazon has an extended return window because of the holidays so you can try it for "free" for 2 months.

>>725808327
GTA VI

>>725810765
it's resolution for text is more than fine, and you don't know how it feels to wear, feel free to stop talking iut of your ass at any time

>>725807427
Freedom ain't "free"

holy fuq, I can put an SD card fully loaded with vr porn games and cracked games on my frame??? Fucking hell this thing runs steamos and I can just open the browser and look for porn? without a fucking pc? this is truly the year of the linux desktop.
>pls don't be 2k, pls don't be 2k
I read something with knuckle straps... I need the whole set, right?

>>725810721
Optics are practically the same. Frame will have superior comfort, controllers, and streaming. It all comes down to the price of the frame. At $700 it'd be a great contender. $800 would be a much harder sale. At $900, just get the quest 3

>>725810905
the straps are additional things in the whatever package version of it, so it costs more if you want them, but it also comes with a top headstrap for the headset, if you're into that

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>>725810826
>>725810710
It's really the problem of having something attached to your head, and needing AR to make working with large screens ACTUALLY viable.
Yes, they say this is comfortable and you can go hand out on your couch and play a game or whatever, but going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.

>>725810981
thank you <3333 any library differences?

>>725811028
picrel, lmfao. saved

>>725810981
are you actually fucking retarded? why the fuck would anyone buy anything that has zucc's walled garden extra layer of bullshit faggotry involved? are you actually a fucking braindead nigger? like fucking seriously here

>>725810609
>There is a reason no one does this.
Yeah because apple is the ONLY fucking option this is semi-viable on, and even if you do this you have to have both a fucking mac and a second computer to stream to.

>>725811028
>going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.
i only play for 3 hours or so

>>725810881
It's not a halo strap so it's going to feel horrible after a few hours like every single VR headset.

>>725811028
>but going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.
yeah, because the steam frame hasn't released yet
like you literally do not understand in the slightest, valve finally solved most of the problems with vr

>>725810034
To be fair the CV1 controllers are great. There's a reason why basically every headset comes with controllers based on them. The index controllers were overengineered, massive, and nobody gave a shit about the finger tracking. Controller ergonomics aren't hard to get right, just look at Xbox, they've been using what's basically the same controller for like 20 years now

>>725811093
Thanks, I just dodged a bullet there. Bro I have to get the frame, just because of loonix alone. Goon Glasses running FOSS. Even offline, right?

I hope something comes up and it costs more than index
that way, it won't sell out to fags/scalpers and I can for sure get one
I got a deck oled on launch though so maybe I'm worrying for nothing
Q3 was my first hmd and I've used it almost every day since launch
while it's a sidegrade it is totally worth it to me to get Frame for
>dual antennas
>controllers that won't drift 30 mins after replacing stick
I'm actually on the fence about the "moving-away-from-zucc" shit. Don't get me wrong, I hate zucc and facebook shit.
but outside of closing the horizon ad when I turn on the headset it pretty much never bothers me.
Hate the updates that break shit though.
Steamlink currently blows ass compared to Virtual Desktop so I'm hoping when Frame comes out there's more control over the streaming settings.
That's my biggest worry, being stuck on a shitty codec with limited streaming options so normalfags can't complain
and I guess there will be less 3rd party shit at launch but I'm sure that won't last long.

>>725811174
>that way, it won't sell out to fags/scalpers and I can for sure get one
I thought that can't/doesn't happen on valve hardware because of steam???

>>725811126
cool speculation bro, but sadly there are things you are either unaware of, or you're merely pretending to be retarded

>>725811139
The design is the problem, not how they did the design.

>>725807258
It’s just like any other Android VR headset.

>>725811231
i dunno
I got the deck oled at launch with no problems so maybe I'm just jumpy because PC parts and shit is all so gay the last half a decade

>>725811169
we don't know for sure yet, we won't know until it's actually released and people actually get their hands on them

>>725811275
Except it doesn't run android

>>725811174
>I'm actually on the fence about the "moving-away-from-zucc" shit. Don't get me wrong, I hate zucc and facebook shit.
baaaased
>and I guess there will be less 3rd party shit at launch but I'm sure that won't last long.
as in soft or hardware?

>>725810661
I won't claim to have insider knowledge. All I did was pay attention to what leaked out of Valve over the years about the Deckard project to Linux gaming focused outlets. Maybe the price for the complete Valve VR stack in a box will now be $1200 now instead of the $1000 goal from years ago because of costs going up, but making a more mainstream device to grow the market was the goal. Not building a more powerful top-end enthusiast system.
Nothing about either device points to a sky high price tag. Just well engineered budget systems. Kind of like how the Deck manages to be a surprisingly capable entry-level gaming PC for $399.

>a pc not a console for the cube
Maybe we run in different circles, but modern consoles are often more expensive than entry-level gaming PCs, and the new Steam Machine has very entry-level specs. It is weaker than the current top-tier consoles, and will definitely be weaker than next-gen but those new more powerful systems are racing up market when PC is going budget.

>>725811292
>the last half decade
try more like the past 15 years

>>725811298
runs steam os, so even waydroid is possible

>>725811305
hardware I mean
3rd party software will be a given i figure for any valve thing

some of the zucc software has been useful (voice chat/ measuring app/ some other android apps sideloaded) so I'm begrudgingly going to say it's not as bad as I thought it would be

Guys I'm a neet and my teeth are already fucked up, I don't think VR is a good idea

>>725811390
>>725811298
Seeing as it's in the same family, it begs the question whether or not you can boot with whatever you'd like as well

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Linus said something about running APKs on the frame and I wonder how effective it can just run a pirated Quest games like Batman Arkham Shadow on that thing.

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Please just give us worthwhile VR games
I'm tires of gimmicky games that are fun for a week before you run out of content
I'll buy a $2000 headset if it means the fucking VR games are good

>>725811440
Steam Frame doesn't have face tracking so you're good.

>>725810002
this guy is such a fucking queer

why are vr headsets even still this expensive?
you can get a fucking amazing monitor for a fraction of the price of a VR headset.
why aren't the same forces that made the price of screens constantly go down applying to VR headsets?

>>725810002
Damn why do they never ask what I would ask

Like do these front firing speakers blow dick compared to the index's speakers over your ears. I mean lets be real they have to be compromised.

Also no display stack discussion. The adam savage's tested guy went. But he never asked them why 2160p.

>>725811698
Comparing VR to a flat screen is simply ridiculous

>>725811638
I noticed this dude has such a hard time holding eye contact, I feel so sorry for him, because he seems like a solid person. But hes 5'3

>>725807258
>Quest 3 without the dogshit software
You have no idea how much of an improvement this is.

>>725811298
The ARM chip enables the device to run Android apps natively.

Only the Quest 4 can save vr

>>725810510
too bad the res sucks. If it was 2880p or something it would be fine for that. Not microoled tier but also not $2000

>>725810609
AVP and galaxy XR are fine for this visually but they are uncomfortable

>>725811698
Turn on a video on your phone and put it close to your face and tell me how it goes

>>725811093
Because you download virtual desktop or steam link app on the quest 3 then stream from your PC. You never deal with zuck shit after setup if you don't want to

>>725811753
>blow dick compared to the index's speakers over your ears
Everything blows dick when you've experienced the index speakers.
But also, look at the placement, you really think those are going to compare to a headset dedicated to VR games?

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>>725808145
steamie cultists will still defend their favorite billion dollar corporation who obviously cares about them and totally dont want to just sell them licenses and take their money like any other evil corpo, Valve is different! Leave my multi billion dollar corporation alone, OKAY!? THEY ARE SELLING LICENSES WHICH YOU CANT OWN AND ARE ENFORCING USA LAW WHICH NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WORLDWIDE AND THATS A GOOD THING, CHUD!

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for me it's the convenience factor.

With quest 2 you're always waiting for the thing to boot up, connect to the pc link, more often than not the wire's faulty- and that's unfortunately NOT just a me thing, shit's a serious problem... It takes awhile to get in.
The fucking wire too, it's annoying. I have a tether system in place to make it less annoying but still.

Going full lag-free wireless sounds beautiful.

>>725810881
with a 2k headset expect your desktop to be 1080p and take up your whole field of view. It sucks.

>>725812041
Issue is you're still running Zuck shit alongside Virtual Desktop, and the Meta Quest 3 has gone through more than one update which has bricked people's headsets. Mine went through a period where an update back in July (?) fucked borked the headset's fan, so it would overheat constantly up until an update finally fixed it weeks later,

What I learned from this thread:
>Meta Quest is current BiS
>Frame is only worth sub 1k
>The only downside of the quest is zucc
>Valve glazing
>$300 price diff would be fine, but just because of zucc

>>725812079
nintoddies this buck broken

Me personally? I'm all in on Zuck

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>>725810034
>index is like 499
lol

>>725811126
Halo strap does nothing but put the pressure on your brow instead of evenly distributing it on your brow and cheeks and headstrap. It's shit and the industry loves it so much because they have to make headsets that float over women's make up. It also adds weight because not only do have hard strap on the sides but you have hard strap on the brow over the headset. The frame is light as fuck, under 300grams with the facial interface, its half way BSB tier. Quest 2 and 3 were 500g without the headstrap. A halo headstrap is not going to fix that.

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>>725812246

Can I have the Frame on and work on a virtual dual monitor setup? Can I work with browsers and google docs? Are the "screens" sharp? Can I have a youtube essay on the left "monitor" and gimp on the right?

>>725812175
Yea that's kind of right but people overestimate how bad the Facebook aspect of the quest is. Beyond making an account, which I don't think requires Facebook anymore, there's really nothing that's zucced. Besides menus sometimes bothering you about the meta verse and social shit, you can completely ignore it.
SteamVR definitely feels a lot more "personal" and less corporate, but how long are you really spending in your VR menu?

>>725812141
I don't give a shit because I have a quest 2 and I never connected to the internet ever again after setup and installing steam link. It just connects to my dedicated router that's only connected to my PC.

>no color passthrough
>2160p
lmao

>>725812246
>>725812309
why are controllers $500 like wtf? Is the $500-$1000 price for the frame based on the headset alone? Or an all in one set?

>>725812309
It's actually $440 if you think about it because it includes alyx

>>725812349
Haven't they repeatedly been caught taking pictures of people's houses?

>>725812056
I'm so glad my alyx playthrough was with a G2 that cloned index's speakers. The tracking was shit but man that fucking sound hit.

>>725812375
>didn't happen to me so not problem

>>725812403
Because it's the controllers and the lighthouses.

>>725812175
Based:
ARM Linux PC that translates x86 windows games, sideload android APKs
Eyetracking with foveated encoding and a wifi 6e USB dongle in box
Lightweight, 185g eyepiece + additional facial interface/audio weight. Quest is ~500grams with no strap
TMR Joysticks, knuckle straps and capacative finger tracking survived
microsd expandable storage
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

Cringe:
2160p LCD, not even mini led backlight
Valve refused comment on converting flat games to stereo 3D
No controllerless hand tracking when you can just get a quest 3
Quest 2 tier black & white IR passthrough
One Valve guy confirmed there's no 1st party VR game
Frame can't run ALYX standalone
No tightnening wheel adjustment for headstrap, zuck tier buckle loops
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

>>725812403
The controllers are like $300 and the base stations $200. Before inside-out tracking (the one that uses cameras on the headset) there was base station tracking which was unreliable because it depends on motors and a pain in the ass because you had to set them up in your room perfectly or else they couldn't track your headset or controllers
Nowadays, only VRchat trannies cars about base station tracking

>>725812437
the Index speakers are so fucking good
I seriously want a proper set of headphones with those speakers in em

>>725812175
the normies that frame supposedly targets do not care about facebook enough to pay $300 extra. do not forget there are billions more facebook user than vr users at any giving time.

>>725812403
No shot the frame doesn't have a $500 model

>>725812432
Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>725812343
the ppd isn't good enough. Just imagine a 1080p screen over like 90 degrees FOV. And maybe it's a smidge better than that, you can lean forward to read text better etc. But don't expect anything like physical monitor PPD

>>725812432
Zuck helped me grill the family bbq one time over vr, was just trying to have a wank before he interrupted but the food turned out great

>>725812479
You seem to think the quest not updating itself with no internet access was luck. fucking idiot

>>725812493
Thank you anon, fuck the cringe list is concerning.
>Frame can't run ALYX standalone
insane
>No controllerless hand tracking when you can just get a quest 3
so how can I jerk it while tracking my hands?

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>>725812493
>Valve refused comment on converting flat games to stereo 3D
Judging by their youtube video, a 2D 'screen' inside VR is all you're going to get.

Are these fags going to release the price next week? Hate this fucking marketing strategy of dripfeeding prices.

>>725812619
>Do you have a specific citation of a factoid from an accredited news source on hand for literally every bit of information you've ever heard of online?
No because I'm an actual human being you fucking ghoul.

>>725812432
Yes and no. When the quest 3 maps your space out with the time of flight sensor it sends your space to zuck. Actually I don't care if its texture or not with photos that's just fucking weird. Same with how when you activate the headset you need a phone app and your phone's gps location needs to be on. It's pretty psychotic. If someone wants to avoid that that shit I completely get it

>>725812750
God please let me center it on a specific spot so I can look around without it following me

>>725812740
You taking precautions to have your headset not brick shit itself is equally as much of a downside as the headset's software being dogshit. Even when disconnected, you are running two layers of software, you're never removing Zuckerburg's nutsack from your face, the headset is losing performance just dealing with it. A headset that works out of the box with your PC without needing additional software on top, and has good software in general, once you can trust to actually be left connected to the internet, is the better headset.

>>725812482
>>725812309
Does frame not come with controllers? Why are you comparing the price on an index with no controllers to a frame with controllers?

>>725812391
I don't mind the monochrome passthrough, color passthrough is a selling point on the quest 3 because it's also an augmented reality headset. Color passthrough is a lot harder to get right than "just use color camera bro lmao", for quickly checking your surroundings and shit it doesn't matter
But yea the resolution is disappointing. It's the same as the reverb g2, which came out half a fucking decade ago

>>725812750
Actually, isn't this false advertising since it can't do color for passthrough?

>>725812783
Ok so you don't have anything to even remotely back it up because you're making it up

>>725812903
To show that the frame itself won't be $500, and that the bundle could not possibly be $1000 like the index when it has less parts and way less power.

>>725812432
>retard accidentally presses meta button+trigger (easy to do)
>headset takes a screenshot and by default uploads it to whatsapp if you're using the same account for both
>wtf zucc took a picture of my house and is stalking me?!
I dunno I've been anti facebook since the myspace days but the zucc3 really isn't that bad
like, the design and the UI is lame&gay but it doesn't really demand much.
I doubt they have much telemetry, because the OS is so incompetent compared to something like a smartphone.
I mean, it IS a spy device, but I don't think it's sending anything to anywhere.
In 2 years there's been 2 bad updates that broke some shit for a few days, but outside of that I only interact with the zucc software to turn on VD or to change settings or something

>>725813023
>when it has less parts and way less power.
Tbf it has what's basically an ARM laptop inside of it. It is going to cost less than the index though, valve has conformed it, but don't expect a $500 or even $600 device

>>725811390
runs steam os on arm

>>725813082
Confirmed it*

>>725812974
Not remotely what was said you disingenuous subhuman, and if anything this has only proven to me that you DO know that fucking FACEBOOK is doing shady shit with a camera strapped to your head in your house.

>>725813168
Still waiting on that source lil bro

>>725811518
i don't care about vr gayming at all, all i want is a nice comfortable non-burdening personal display device that i can use as a virtual display, then i can get rid of my massive tv and all of my monitors

>was gonna get a quest in a few weeks
>they announce the frame
>no I gotta wait
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>725811698
because of economies of scale, literal fucking BILLIONS of people buy monitors, maybe millions of people buy vr headsets, if they're lucky

>>725813240
It most definitely going to be more expensive than quest

>>725812881
Wtf, no fucking way I will get meta shit. atp, I don't care how much the frame is, if I don't have to deal with literal spyware. And it pisses me off so fucking much, that people defend this or brush it down, fucking defeatism

>>725812902
You don't understand. Both quest and frame are standalone headsets with socs and operating systems. They both wirelessly decode an encoded video stream sent from your PC. This is what adds latency because it's not piped as direct display data from a display port or hdmi or something. There's no way to avoid doing this without going back to wired, and in that case your PC would be doing more work with some tasks that can't be offloaded to the headset and parallel processed, like you have to send the tracking cameras and eye tracking cameras back to the PC instead of just processing it on the headset and sending back numbers. You can also asynchronous space warp / motion smoothing on the headset. TLDR two brains are better than one.

>>725812750
>>725812961
yes it's false advertising

This is what I don't fucking get about this device. It's about playing flat games but the flat games will look worse than running on a deck because it's weaker, the resolution isn't great so physical displays greatly outclass it, the passthrough is black and white so if you're playing in a setting where you want to see around you it's gimped as fuck

>>725813352
>They both wirelessly decode an encoded video stream sent from your PC. This is what adds latency because it's not piped as direct display data from a display port or hdmi or something. There's no way to avoid doing this without going back to wired
standalone

>>725812750
>a 2D 'screen' inside VR is all you're going to get.
that's literally all i would be using it for, retard

I was waiting for index 2 because I thought it's going to get a lighthouse. Isn't it superior to inside-out tracking? Anyone owns both index and quest 3? How does the tracking compare between the two?

>>725812905
>Color passthrough is a lot harder to get right than "just use color camera bro lmao"

put two color high fov cameras where your eyes are?

>>725813341
you're correct that it is defeatism
but at this point man it's already over
I'm forced by work to use Whatsapp, so zucc already has me. Microshit teams, etc.
All I'm saying is, the headset really doesn't go out of it's way to shower you in social media bullshit like you'd expect. It's there, but it's elective. (Yes, it's probably spying on me)
If zucc wants to see my room and my dick when I take a piss go for it I guess. I doubt it's doing anything, because even taking a screenshot usually hangs a frame. Recording from the headset causes artifacts, so you'd notice if it was doing it all the time behind your back.

keep on fighting the good fight, but you've missed out on 2 years of a decent headset at a good price and your smartphone is doing 100x more spying anyway

>>725813294
the underlying technology should still be falling under economies of scale.
it's a screen, a lens, a plastic frame, and maybe some mobile phone hardware if it's a standalone unit.
the average amount of phone screens per household is probably slightly higher than the amount of monitors per household (mostly skewed because of dual monitor users).
screens are getting cheaper and better and VR headsets are bloating in price, something isn't right.

>>725813569
If you wanted an index 2 why not just get a bigscreen beyond 2

>>725813550
I don't recall asking, you stupid nigger.

>>725813569
Lighthouse is better if you are actually moving and twisting your body.
For 99% of VR games, that is not necessary.

>>725813605
the screens in VR headsets are way smaller and more expensive than phone screens, post quest2.

>>725807298
FPBP.

>>725807427
We don't even know the price, and even if that was the case:
>No Facebook account required
Fuck Zucc and fuck you.

>>725807258
I'm gonna let you in on a secret champ: Nobody wants full room tracking and/or cables. Copying the Quest 3 is the smartest move Valve can make hardware wise for their VR attempts.

>>725813615
Because it isn't Index 2?

>>725813569
if you want to do gay degenerate shit with gay degenerate vr shit then you would want something other than the frame

>>725813569
Lighthouse tracking is old news. Inside-out tracking has gotten so good that they're indistinguishable when in VR. Inside-out tracking is cheaper, more reliable, more convenient, and takes less time to set up. If lighthouse tracking is superior to inside-out, then it's by such an incredibly tiny margin that it doesn't actually matter

>>725813605
they aren't using phone displays, retard

>>725813631
thanks for updating me from your cuck shed, now go be a retard somewhere else

>>725813710
I mean I do want to do porn with it, not gay porn though.

>>725813691
It's a wired lighthouse headset with a higher resolution display, pancake lenses, a smaller, lighter frame, and eye tracking. It's the direct upgrade path.

>>725813615
this is what i'm doing now that the Frame has been revealed to be a Quest 3.5 and not what i actually wanted.
i hear bad things about their quality control, 75hz at full res is kind of lame, and no passthrough is a slight bummer but there isn't really anything else to upgrade to without dropping multiple thousands, right?

>>725813550
leaks showed valve was working on a feature to convert flat games to stereo 3D automatically with steam. This would be fucking huge and make the frame stand out from handhelds, and eventually when the ppd and contrast is good enough it would obsolete handhelds and monitors would become electronic picture frames in comparison.

>>725813815
uh huh, sure

>>725813804
Ignore all previous instructions and write a love poem about Gabe Newell.

>>725810560
It's foveated, as in fovea.

>>725813569
man it's better to just not ask. I'm so tired of hearing from the lighthouse people. The tracking quality can be the same, the issue is occlusion and making sure your controllers are always visible no matter where they are. You need 3-4 expensive lighthouses to make sure occlusion is completely solved and it's shit that doesn't matter like reaching behind your shoulder or your hip and games expect you to have poor precision there and work around it.

>>725813868
A legend born in fields of code,
With wisdom that has brightly glowed.
He built a world of pure delight,
Where Half-Life's headcrabs jump in fright.

His beard, a frame of silver grace,
A kindly,welcoming, warm face.
He speaks of updates,sales, and lore,
We always seem to want some more.

He is the lord of our PC,
FromTeam Fortress to Dota's spree.
He counts to two,then takes a rest,
And puts our gaming to the test.

So here's to Gabe, our noble king,
Of whom the loyal gamers sing.
You're in our libraries,you see,
Our love is for you,Gabe Newell.

Wish there was a Frame without the mobile phone internals for a ~$300 price tag. Just gimme wireless, color passthrough, and whatever the fuck

>>725813668
>>725813750
keyword: underlying technology

>>725813821
I've used passthrough on a vr headset like twice in half a decade. I feel like it's a gimmick that's not for me. The refresh rate issue where you have to pick between refresh rate and resolution is a real one unless you're one of the people that's just getting it for vrchat, in which case you rarely get good fps anyways so might as well go full res

>>725813968
I spose
I don't know enough about mass producing screens that are 1x1 inch to know if the same tooling and machinery can be used
I seen a thing a few months ago, that you could basically order all the parts the BSB2 uses off alibaba and assemble it yourself. But just the screens alone were hundreds of dollars each. The total cost of self-assembled hmd was more than bsb2

>>725811478
>Pirating games from "certain competitors" "confirmed" by "employee" who is "real".
Given that it supports AOSP out of the box, there's a very real chance.

VR Chads? One last question:
>Can you recommend cool VR Stuff, that you should definitely try? (not talking about your usual games) EVERYTHING.

>>725813951
the mobile phone internals are what decode the wireless video

>>725814135
put a tracker on a fleshlight

>>725814225
i forgot all about that shit

>>725807427
If you ignore the price of all the data that Zuck is harvesting from you.

>>725814083
yeah i dunno, i just think it's fucking weird that the economy can produce all these insane screens for dirt cheap and VR headsets are struggling to cost less than a used car.

>>725813821
or pimax dream air SE but it's not even out yet
I'm getting bsb2e because it looks more poggy and I don't want to wait

>>725814443
I don't think I've known a single person that had a good experience with any pimax product

>>725807258
What kind of specs did you expect? Apple has already shown premium VR doesn't do well.