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>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
>What to Play
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

>Roguelike Servers:

http://roguenex.us/ (CDDA, angband, PCB)
http://angband.live/ (Angband and variant)
http://hardfought.org/ (Nethack and variants)

Previous Thread: >>190972893
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>>191310248
You should play Sil though.
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good morning /rlg/
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>>191312669
Good afternoon old boy.
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>>191310646
literally just walk up the stairs and then down again
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or just
y'know
smash the doors
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>>191313709
I figured out if I just bump into them enough times eventually it works. Then I decided smithing is too much of an exp sink to be fun and killed the character off anyways
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>>191314409
>smithing
You poor soul. Hope for tolkien's birthday.
Don't hope.
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>>191315351
To be fair, you need to have an extremely high IQ to enjoy roguelikes.
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>>191315779
maybe if ur bad
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Octopode monk or human monk
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Is there any way to make a high weapon weight melee char in Sil not suck? All its mechanics seem incredibly bias to dex and low weight
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>>191317125
Troll or Gnoll or go die in a hole.
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>>191317243
unga bunga tab masher detected
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>>191317286
You play Gnoll so you can do everything at once, pressing every button in existence at the same exact moment.
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>>191317125
OpMo is shit
HuMo is top memery and has a bit of challenge to it
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What are some really underrated and looked over spells to try on Gnoll before they nerf it into the ground?
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Well lads?
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>>191320131
Go right
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>>191320229
I'm still unsure of what god to pick
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>>191320347
Faded altar
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>>191320347
Your int and presumably spell levels are shit. So pick the pet one if you want, although I'd really just wait for a better god. Its pets are incredibly imbalanced compared to each other and much too frail for my liking.
Yred would do similar stuff for you to what Kiku would but be better for someone with such mediocre int and you can just dump him later once the game becomes dicks for anyone using undead
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>>191320594
What about Mahkleb
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>>191320650
I just don't like him or use him enough to really say anything.
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What the fuck is with Adom's char creation? Why can't I just pick my shit in a menu? Seems like to make the char I want to I'd have to repeatedly reset the very first page
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>>191321289
>Why can't I just pick my shit in a menu?
But you can.
IN THE PAID VERSION
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>>191321289
>what the fuck is with ADOM?
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>>191321289
Remember to donate ;)
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>>191321784
Oh so he intentionally made the demo bad? His plan to make people buy his game is to give a terrible first impression lol?
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Is Made in Abyss a roguelike /rlg/?
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>>191323336
roguelikes are anime yes, just look at gungeon
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>>191323336
No. Japs can't make roguelikes.
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>>191322885
Adom existed for literal decades before the paid version went out. He just stopped updating the free version
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>>191323336
Let's see the definition
>Turn-based
>Grid-based
>Procedurally generated
>Permadeath
>Non-modal combat
>Single player entity
>Made by a person/team with at least 90% European ancestry
>Top-down perspective

Looks modal to me, so no.
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>>191323454
>>191323336
FUCK OFF TOME SHITPOSTERS!!!! YOURE LITERALLY RUINING THE TRHEAD!!! I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY CDDA FUTA MODS AND NETHACK FORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>191323727
>autism
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>>191323864
can we go back to people talking about CDDA, I think that was the most cultured conversation we got here
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>>191323942
Why would you talk about an inferior roguelike. TOME has the best gameplay and lore.
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>>191324017
tome doesnt have futahorses, in fact it doesn't even have a single trap person so there's no way it can be better
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>>191324017
>>191323864
>being a tometard
>your game is so shit you have to pollute threads with good content in them with your autism
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>>191323901
Huh, you would think they might make that no_tele_into.
At least it looks like you might have a decent chance of surviving.
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>>191324080
At least our dev team is active and has female representation and diversity.
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>>191323693
Still dumb desu-neee san sampaaaaiii
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>>191324172
doesnt that just make a game worse, ive never seen a black person code, much less touch a computer
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>>191324102
>Huh, you would think they might make that no_tele_into.
If you can tele behind runed doors, why shouldn't you be able to teleport behind a not even runed room?
>>191324172
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>>191324357
Is this seriously what the nu-tome goon redditor lore writers think is funny? What went so wrong?
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>>191324443
That dialogue is old as balls and it used to be a meme here. Your new is showing
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>>191324357
Nigga that room doesn't even have a door.
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>>191321289
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>>191324918
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>>191324918
A screen I'll never see since I ain't buying this shit.
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>>191324172
[04:40:13] <razakai> btw someone on the reddit/steam forums is convinced archmage is one of the weakest classes in the game atm
[04:40:20] <razakai> so they could prob do with some buffs in 1.6

Imagine having a dev team this bad.
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>>191325007
You guys don't KNOW what you're missing.
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>>191325420
gay game is gay
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>>191325236
Surely he is joking, anon.
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What happened to missing dicku
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>>191325236
razakai is a known shitposter and helped formulate the 7 vaginas meme
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>>191325642
t. rapiaki
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Memetal ftw.
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>>191325812
>using chat
>being sociable online
lol pleb
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we stopped when we understood he left us for good
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>>191325812
>pedoshit is allowed
>no mods banning this filth
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>>191326037
I don't think Japan has an age of consent.
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>>191325792
Who?
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So is this short sword the best I got for general combat,and should I keep my shield on? I have 10 skill
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>>191326549
What race are you and what god are you following?
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>>191326437
u
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>>191326615
Halfing, Makhleb
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>>191326549
>>191326615
Also, no, your best option is the dagger of elec.
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ToME is balanced primarily for Normal Adventure play; the rest of the difficulty levels merely devolve from that, for good and/or ill. DG has been perfectly clear on the subject many times, hence my scorn of elitist frippery, especially if you can't be bothered to specify what you want from the get-go =3.
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>>191326675
Get some slings skill, Ha have the best apt in the game for it. Unless stabbing, you're going to struggle with damage until very late in the game when you probably get a quickblade/rapier of decent brand or branch to long blades and hope for a dblade/2sword. Lesser Servant will carry you through Lair and Orc if you're careful.
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>>191327065
fuck off bozobub
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>>191323336
yes
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>>191327289
fuck off elitist
i won vaulted alchemist on normal adventure and i'm PROUD of it
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>>191327065
rakizaki said in in-game chat he balances around every mode at the same time. at least he has standards. dg btfo
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>>191327624
DG is making TOME even more p2w with every moment. First item vault then DLCs for more op classes/items. When does it end?

At least we get nice lore which I really enjoy and adds to the richness of the game.
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Why is this demon so good
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>>191328267
did you live in a coma for the last year? all the nu-lore is rick and morty tier HAHA FUNNY
it's mostly in the dlcs but the cancer has spread to mainline tome too
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The Pit is too hard everything breaks all the time, fixing them breaks them, I'm always hungry
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>>191328370
Probably because of all of its resistances. It dies easily to brutes like onis, though.
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>this is your average tometard's mindset
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roguelikes are really hard. i think i am too impatient for then
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>>191330479
A for autism.
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>>191330662
What are you some kind of normie??? REEEE
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>>191330479
Looks more like a CDDA player to me.
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>>191330662
Luckily for you, most of crawl's branches have been tweaked to discourage careful positioning and slow play and encourage axe-using MiBes that require little input other than changing year and dumping a rock on the tab key
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>>191331732
I meant gear but year works too
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>>191331050
>not knowing that bashing weapons are bad
Fault
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>>191332057
Maybe he uses bashing weapons because he wants to RP someone BASHING HEADS LOL.

You are always min maxing ITT when roguelikes are primarily about fun and playing out a cool character.
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>>191332704
>roguelikes are primarily about fun and playing out a cool character.
maybe if ur bad
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>>191334050
I have 3 wins on normal so no I'm not bad.
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>>191334278
only 3 dude? goddamn i remember when i just started kicking the air too. now im sitting proudly at 2000 hours in normal and not a single one i regret. 32 wins as well, all with ghoul, my favorite race.
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>>191337617
Don't bring low IQ Wojaks here, it's a cancerous meem already.
Not as bad as virginwalk, but getting there.
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>>191337796
>it's a cancerous meem already.
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haha yes meem!
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man nethack should have a tuning fork item
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chad kevin granade vs virgin coolthulu
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Tomebros, would a madness tier list be viable?
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>>191338819
>argues his points
>cares about player feedback
>lurks /rlg/
vs
>working as intended
>doesn't give a fuck what others think
>adds dildoes to challenge social taboos
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>>191338819
>>191339103
>CDDA devs not all virgin faggots
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>>191339227
God and King has a son, though.
He convinced his wife to shitpost for him on reddit too.
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>>191339103
in what world are dildos a social taboo? is that an american thing???
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>>191339227
Who's the second waifu? I only remember the [kiss her] meme.
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>>191339517
the red haired naked demon chick who some how farts out a nuke even though no demon you ever meet including the guy she was to summon is that strong
and the elf chick who vored gods
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>>191339501
it was illegal to sell them in some states but they ruled it unconstitutional and unenforceable
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>>191339517
>elf chick that vored gods
don't forget to add giantess and retarded to the list of fetishes there
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>>191339931
what? isn't tome the game with orc vaginas too?
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>>191339801
good on america for saying no to that. i couldnt live without my dildo
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>>191340029
>>191339517
>>191339759
>>191339931
Yeah it's the one with the orc vaginas. You forgot to mention that he LARPed as his archmage waifu in his only (normal adventure) wins of his own game and there's some fanfic tier lore of some dude fucking her that you have to pay a significant amount of ingame money to even read.
I like tome but the devs are pathetic and it being a good game is a mistake to say the least.
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>>191340235
>You forgot to mention that he LARPed as his archmage waifu in his only (normal adventure) wins of his own game and there's some fanfic tier lore of some dude fucking her that you have to pay a significant amount of ingame money to even read.
i actually just didnt know any of this since i only played tome a little and just heard about the mage being his waifu in chat, before moving onto better games
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>>191340516
>before moving onto better games
why are you still here
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>>191340608
because the better games are of the genre this is about
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>>191340812
yeah he moved onto tangledeep, the only roguelike that can even try and compete with tome
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>>191341486
no currently sil and dcss
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>>191341558
pcb and elona are the thinking man's roguelikes. the best of the best so to speak.
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>>191340235
>he LARPed as his archmage waifu in his only (normal adventure) wins of his own game
Well, it's only natural to want to be you're waifu.

>there's some fanfic tier lore of some dude fucking her that you have to pay a significant amount of ingame money to even read
Over the line.
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>>191342986
>sent to alec white
you dun goofed, milkman.
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>>191342986
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>>191341558
>sil
*tips fedora*
'Tis a great thing that there are gentlemen who recognize the superiority of classics.
Mayhap there is, indeed, inherent value in tradition?
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>>191343140
didnt wanted to promote more the namefag, fuck me
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>>191343326
that aside, once they get their site online they're not going to be able to contain it anymore.
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The Spellblaze Chronicles(1): A Fateful Meeting
From the memoirs of Aranion Gawaeil, leader of the Grand Council of Elvala

Chapter One: A Fateful Meeting

This tale begins in the Age of Allure, when I was yet young, and the idea of youth and age was still a pressure on our people. It is one tale amongst a host of tales, for many are the stories of tragedy and heroism that befell all the races in this era. I can only give my story, my tragedies, and my follies dressed as heroism, woven around the great force that shook our world and changed our histories: The Spellblaze.

I first met Linaniil at a council summit, when our leader Ephinias was meeting with the head of the Kar’Krul. I remember the huge man walking through the gates of our city, our people staring at his wide girth and bristling hair, his fur clothes and his proud stride. How out of place he looked amongst us slender elves... Some thought him a barbarian, but I could see behind his frosty eyes there was great power. He was from a hardy race of men that once dwelt in the north of Eyal, who it was said drew power from the green fires that danced in their everwinter skies. Turthel was his name, and the like of him has not trod through earth or snow in many centuries. Upon his right hand he wore the Ring of Kar’Krul, a lustrous gold band adorned by a blazing ruby, token to his position as the leader of the greatest union of human mages in Maj’Eyal.
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>>191345309
With him were his twin daughters, Linaniil and Neira, who walked before him. Identical they were in looks, yet I saw straight away that they were opposites in personality. They were each of crimson hair, worn long in spilling tresses, with pale skin that shone in the sunlight. They were dressed in silken robes, but whilst Neira was adorned in yellow and orange, Linaniil wore blue and silver. Neira was bright of glance and cheery of voice, remarking on every item of beauty she passed as they strolled through the courtyards of Elvala. Linaniil was quiet though, and stern of face, coldly analysing and calculating all she saw. But beneath that icy exterior I could see a fire – nay, a blaze, a bright burning passion yearning to break out, yet kept restrained. For a moment we made eye contact as the party approached the citadel, and I could see laid bare her wild spirit and untempered thoughts, a will and strength of mind that was utterly unconquerable. It took my breath from me.

Few of my people have ever understood how one of our race could be infatuated with a human. But they have not known Linaniil. Not as I have known her. Like raw fire given flesh is she, a burning ball of emotions and desires. Her fervent mind brooks no opposition, and her wit and words charm or coerce all around her. Beautiful and radiant is her form, as bright as the summer sun, yet also cold and remote, unreachable unless she wants to be reached. In all the ages this has never changed about her.
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>>191345309
>>191345479
tldr: big guy had 2 kids and one was an autistic mary sue
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>>191346516
>autistic mary sue
name one (1) tome player or character that isnt this
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>>191346576
I can name more than one:
>apprentice wizard
>shopkeeper you rescue from assassins
>bill the troll
>orc mother
>that fucking dog in derth
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Is it still possible to metagame Xom's piety, or did they change how it works?
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>>191347374
it's no longer possible to have fun in crawl anon
did you live in a coma?
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>>191346576
anyone who loses
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>>191347374
Metagame as in get more piety/make him happier? Yeah, using mutation pots, unidentified pots randomly or stepping on zot traps makes him happy most of the time
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bump......easy on the shitposters....
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oh great, DG posting stupid new graphics features on twitter
exactly what your game needs buddy
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i remember lag in the later parts of the game because of the current effects being a big complaint. what world does he live in
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>>191350145
would you rather he post about the lovely balance ops that are going to make nutome unplayably bad
>lol lets make the only class type except summoner completely unable to kill you
>remove all depth from status effects
>nerf melee damage to shit and double enemy hp so the game takes twice as long
>add more p2w dlc trash
literally a mistake
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>>191350472
Translating from Saltbuttmadese to English:
>rares are a difficulty spike, let's nerf some of the abilities that benefit monsters more than they do benefit players
>stun is too important of a game mechanics, overshadowing more subtler status effects, thus making the game shallow
>physical scaling is way better than magic scaling, let's make things more balanced
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>>191351080
you don't understand anon
i ahve autism so all change in any direction for any reason is automatically bad and terrible
this is also why the game shouldn't be patched to remove the exploit where you can kill friendly townspeople without aggroing them for free loot and xp
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>>191351080
Hi Shibari! Too busy dying to stun to "fix" your game?
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>>191351249
>>191351080
typical /rlg/. modern men no longer desire difficult games.
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>>191351080
hi random dev of a game so poorly made it still in 2017 has literally game breaking bugs in some of its most popular classes not fixed

>>191351249
hi falseflagger
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it's not even shitty loot you can get fucking tier 3 artifacts and shit before entering your first dungeon
and poltomeposterwhoaccusespeopleofbeingrandomliteralwhosfromthetomeforum actually defends this
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>>191351542
yeah and you can buy tier 3 shit from the shops in the same town you'd be drowning in, and should do it on any difficulty
which is also being removed in nutome lol have fun with no move infusion and hitting things with tier 1 weapons
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this game is too easy only the hardest difficulty is worth epeen
also they cant remove the exploit i always use to make the game easier because then it would be too hard :(
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>>191351812
>>191351529
>>191351456
>>191351278
>>191350472
Hi samefag.

>>191351913
>>191351249
Hi falseflagger.
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>>191351080
>rares are impossible to die to unless its a doombringer or necro who ambushes you while fighting a boss
>only noobs get stunned and now we wont be able to stun monsters which is a nerf to the player
>mages are literal trash and need to be moved up to melee level damage instead of nerfing melee
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>people make fun of the autistic cata poster
>once he stops posting the threads are just weird discord-tier drama

feels bad
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>>191352102
would you rather have threads entirely full of cata namefag drama? tome is at least a roguelike.
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Drowning SHOULD be removed. It's an exploit and even darkgod has said so himself, hence it's removal in 1.6. Stun is imbalanced and ruins the game for plenty of new players. Even a dev came close to death in a stun and had to remove it with dev mode. It's removal is long overdue.
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>>191352279
>Better illustrations of the issue are Insane Infinite Dungeon (literally impossible to pass floor 2 most of the time, my record is floor 3) and the more linear Embers of Rage (rares had to be outright banned here or progress was impossible on a bad spawn).
I wish devs would just stop trying to play their own games.
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seriously though remove drowning
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>>191352228
>tome is at least a roguelike
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Why the fuck can tomefags here not articulate points properly

The problem with 1.6 isnt drowning removal despite how much shitposters like >>191352279
and >>19135191 cling onto it, its close to inconsequential past the first couple levels and buying shit from shops serves the same purpose better.

But shops are being scaled to your level so you're forced to use shit gear. Theres barely any difference between tier 1 and tier 3 armor compared to weapons so the only thing it hurts is melees and characters that rely on heroism or movement infusions (since those are tier >1).

Weapon mastery talent is getting nerfed specifically to make randboss melee irrelevant. You can already get 40ish armor from game start even with shop nerfs which makes you undamagable in t1 and from weak mobs in t2 dungeons and they're being made even less dangerous.

Spellcaster damage gets completely outscaled by your hp by the end of tier t1s for shit ones like AM and necro and t2s for oozemancer, corruptor and solipsist, so those won't be killing you at all unless you commit own fault hard.

Stun was polarising in a good way btw, it was easy to prevent and work around even on mobs with 3-4 stun talents. It's completely irrelevant in 1.6, same with confusion.

At least the rune system and AI changes might be good.
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tbqh i dont even follow tome and i didn't know the latest version removed drowning
i just know the last time i mentioned in this thread how it was obviously a dumb a exploit and should be removed for basic game design reasons the poltomeposter got really mad and accused me of being like 3 different random tome forum usernames
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>hey what if we put summoners that can summon summoning summoners in the only quest that gives you a guaranteed light with illumination for all those poor bastards who don't have it as a spell?
>great idea chris!
>thanks chris!
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>>191354451
buy a staff of illumination for literally0gold from town if you really need it anon
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>>191354669
>wasting inventory slots
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>every run i do needs to have five hours of startscumming to be viable! but it's perfectly fine and balanced! the devs and the shitters just don't understand REEEE!
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is that a starblade
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i agree perfectly with your message but your post is the shittest post i've ever seen

what a complicated feel
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not sure why people complain about starblades, they're a truly excellent source of loot
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I'm a level 9 Ice Mage Gnoll with Staff of Power, Staff of Necromancy, Ring of Magic power and 20 int. Would any of these books be worth coming back for? This is the furthest I've gotten on a mage lol.
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you're thinking of ultimate magi
starblades are the disenchant-breathing, wall-eating, angel spamming sons of bitches with 10 K hp
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>>191355876
You forgot to link the post
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no i didnt
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I hate these guys
him and gwaihir the shitlord

but I like them outside of PCB
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Why is everyone complaining that tangledeep forces you to play a female? Do you all self insert as Unicode characters here?
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>>191358008
I want to play as a sapient being, not some slut
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>>191351080
>oh no a challenge to the player
>shit having to play around an ability that is relatively easily resolved
>looking at phy dmg and magic dmg independently of how the classes that use these function is moronic - AM is immortal for infinite turns - marauder has loads more dmg but has a shorter time frame and long ass cds it can't play around
l2p TOME devs have no idea wtf they're doing atm
1.4 will be the last good version of this game
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hello arelgee will you play Tangle Deep when its port is released on the Nintendo Switch in a few month
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no
imagine having a console with so few games that something as shit as tangledeep can be considered a major release
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why isnt it animated
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>>191358795
>furries
Not even once
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>>191358795
huh i said it felt like it was designed for console and being held back but i didnt think it actually was confirmed for any. bit sad to put it on nintendo though when they already have mystery dungeon stuff which are vastly superior to it
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>>191358795
Tanglederp was created for mobile initially and I can't wait to play it on the platform originally intended for.
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>>191358506
>difficulty spikes mixed with tedium are good game design because """challenge""" means mowing through tons of crap effortlessly then getting 1shot across the screen because you stopped checking every step like a chink on an escalator
>having a status that completely shuts down everything is good design because everyone builds their character around it
>balancing can only be done retardedly because otherwise my idiotic strawman, which is the highest form of an argument I can provide, falls apart
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>>191359654
Don't you have startscumming to do Mex? In your "epic pro" nu-roguelike kusoge?
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>>191359707
>you should be playing the map tactically not treating it like some shitty auto explore zone for lazy casuals corridors and corners exist for a reason
>it works for the player more than enemies
>it's not a strawman and you would know that if you actually took the time to play the game - ranged attacks are OP because enemies cannot react to them or you can hit them from outside their attack/approach range by using corners
tl;dr get good you shitter
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>>191360263
noone fucking cares that am is immortal for infinite turns because every other class is immortal for long enough on insane and there are better madness viables now
plus the spellcasters that dont last forever are complete shit
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>>191360419
sounds like u're're're're're bad friendos
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>>191360263
i agree that the map should be tactical
the way to do that is not to have 500 tabfodders you can oneshot or autoexplore through and 1 ultra-dangerous enemy
the way to do it is by having 15 or 50 moderately dangerous enemies, none of which are boring stupid garbage
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>>191360673
the ony roguelike at all i can think of that does that is sil, because hp is very hard to raise, it has no leveling system (using skills instead) and damage rolls are incredibly random so ''trash'' enemies can suddenly chunk you to the point where if they get lucky twice you die
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>>191360673
>play insane or madness
>boom no tabfodder
wow that was hard
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>>191360263
>you have to play my tedium simulator in the most autistic, retarded way, otherwise you could have fun and real difficulty instead of tedium and that would make me not feel less elite
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>>191361116
>welcome to roguelikes enjoy your stay
get gud
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>>191361116
pretyt much
there is one (1) alive human being who enjoys tome as it is and he FREAKS THE FUCK OUT whenever anyone suggests improving it
then he calls you sheila
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>>191361334
who the fuck is sheila
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>>191361334
no one enjoys tome as it is because 1.4 was better
shibari is the devfag that got btfo by stun anyway, sheilaposter is a faggot
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>>191361439
i dont fucking know, but any time anyone says anything bad about tome this guy accuses them of being her
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>>191361116
Yeah, what are you going to do about it pussy? Play CDDA and nethack at me? Sorry that you're scared away by games more hardcore than wiki simulators.
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>>191360263
wait I forgot, this game has 'deal damage out of los' horseshit doesnt it.

you could probably immediately make this game better by removing irreciprocal los desu
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>>191361439
"female" "dev" for the diversity quota
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>>191361802
unironically this desu
fuck MEX and fuck MADNESS PLAYERS

>>191361439
girl gamer that likes anime, does dev work for tome and banned a few salty shitters that post here
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>>191361802
and remove the light radius system
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light system makes id so unfun.
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shit features from angband really needed to stay there
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>>191361439
Sheila
A great and loving person someone that you can call a sister.The most amazing cook ,generous heart,caring and loving. She is Funny and loves to Dance even if it is to her own music. Life is full of fun and funny stories with lots of laughter when you are with her. She pushes her self out of her comfort zone to accomplish the tasks that's placed before her with a job well done. When you are sad or feeling ill she is the first one to respond to your side.

If your a Sheila set your goals high, Because this is what Sheila's do.

It is Cool to be a Sheila ...Bright, Smart and Beautiful in side and out. Most of all In tune with the Spirit of God!
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>>191362051
Mex is an elitist cock but he left the game years ago.
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>>191363812
he still plays but he's become shit at tome and can't get past t1s on madness anymore
probably just shitposts on rlg to hide his anger
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VsMo^Ru, Should I sacrifice -5 AC or sacrifice armour? My other option is sacrifice evocations which is too good to give up.

Go early game or go lategame?
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>>191364328
evocations are shit in neo-crawl though
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>>191364452
"no"
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>>191364452
t. can only beat MiBe

Evo is as strong as ever desu. Wand of clouds and scattershot are both pretty bonkers, box of beasts, and ESPECIALLY sack of spiders are nuts as hell.

Plus random hexing stuff being good out to late game.

Daily reminder that sack of spiders can literally solo panlords
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>>191364452
I can name a dozen reasons why you are wrong
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>>191364328
>too good to give up
not really
it's really good but you also get a ton of ru piety for it so it's worth
getting high piety fast and early is a worth tradeoff
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>>191364452
If you don't train evocations on literally every single character then you are playing the game wrong.
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>Playing ToME
>Suddenly NPC factions are all hostile
What the fuck do i do? I cant turn in quests or interact with shops.
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>>191366516
le undead tedium tax haha
fun and balanced
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>>191366673
Ah ok so thats what it is.

I am playing a Skeleton Bulwark warrior.
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>>191366673
Don't you start with an item that makes you look human though? Same way identification is for some reason still a thing even though you start with a literal identification orb with unlimited automated uses
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they should just replace that cloak with a dumb orb that sits in your inventory all game like the ones some classes get that "identify" things
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>>191366914
See >>191366673
You have it but it's obnoxious as hell to put it back on every time you go into worldmap or a town
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>>191323707
>>191353231
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>>191367271
only the left half of this flowchart is accurate
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>>191367271
ToME doesn't fulfill the first point: it doesn't look like Rogue, it looks like fucking shit
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>>191367271
fuck off grognard
gameplay depth is the most important part of a roguelike
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>>191356076
Half those books can win you the game, fo real
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>>191367432
I didnt play it to know, bad UI, just quoted him
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>>191352228
tome is literally malware
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>>191367987
that's a casual filter, all you need to do is recompile it.
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>>191368140
>tometards will actually defend DG's botnet and crypto miners
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>>191367987
>>191368140
>>191368945
Literally removed from trunk assholes
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>>191369292
if dork god actually cared he would've pushed a script to uninstall the game, permanently
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>>191368945
>botnet with like 20 computers
lel
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You faggots don't deserve your own thread. You can't even make a proper OP.
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>>191369526
The OP is fine aside from the half-dozen outdated pastas.
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>>191370265
>the OP is fine except for all the shit that's fucked up
Won't even get into the other shit.
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Being able to have good defenses, evocations, and cast level 5 dual-school spells in platemail after 42k turns is kind of silly.
Also finally made great(er)player! Hooray!
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>>191370265
Make updated ones yourself then. The pastas we had previous to these had been there almost since the board starting existing and it was changed because a bunch of dudes made new ones to replace them.
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>>191371497
Far too lazy. I'm not complaining about it, just acknowledging that there is something wrong with the OP.
Don't know what anon is on about aside from that.
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oh shit wake up
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>>191311091
Is there a discord?
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>>191374173
Yes, it's very good. A lot of cool roguelike devs hang there like tangledeep and cogmind dev.
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>>191374485
Cool, where do I sign up?
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nuclear throne is not a roguelike, namefriend
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In my ass.
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>>191374824
Invite me to your discord and we can debate this.

>>191374840
What the HECK
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>>191374659
send thomas biskup a photograph of your dick
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>discord
ask kate
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>>191374659
here is link m80, enjoy yourself
https://discordapp.com/invite/Hq8wPcs
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>>191375150
is this 4 real or is this CP shit or something
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>>191375150
Cool server, but where is the roguelike memes channel? You can't have a 4chan server without memes lol
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>>191370593
yay!
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>>191375554
how the fuck should i know? I don't hang out on that shit, discord is for losers.
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>>191376486
>discord is for losers
virgin /rlg/
chadiscord
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>>191376486
Sorry you're too pussy to use your real voice online lol

Ascend any roguelikes lately? I just had a sick 4-loop Melting run. Maybe if you stream something I can help your play.
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>>191376672
fuck no, roguelikes are gay as shit
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>>191376672
s'true roguelikes are gay
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>Ascend any roguelikes lately?
i finished watching the rogue like anime ""Made In Abyss""
if NT counts then anime does too
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>>191376982
>>191377095
Sounds like you're in the wrong thread then

Maybe go post on that other website?? lol

>>191377109
Nice. Are there any other good rouge like animes
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can a nigga get a tummy slash
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>>191377263
technically, all animes are like rogue according to the berlin interpretation
I watched Konohana Kitan ep 1 today and it was cute
i hope it has yuri
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Here you go my man.
>>191377263
What are you talking about newfag? Nobody here likes roguelikes.
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>>191377704
Umm 4chan is an American website. Why should I care about Nazis lol

>>191377707
Good anime
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>>191377263
spongebob
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>>191378062
Sponge Bob does not have perma death. Not very hardcore...
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is katawa shoujo a roguelike
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>>191377109
Serious talk, a Made In Abyss roguelike would be sick.
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>ascend in crawl
>"thank god that's over with"
>immediately roll a new character
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>>191379765
why not take this as an excuse to play a fun game instead
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>>191379765
>ascend for the first time in Crawl
>"hey that was pretty fun"
>never touch the game again.
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>>191380229
i ascended 3 times before getting to that final step
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which rougelike it the lewdest or can be modded to be so?
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>>191381054
>You continue pumping.
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>>191381054
pouar dda
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>>191381054
ROGUELIKES ARE NOT FOR LEWD!!
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>>191381054
gnollcrawl
>you gnoll the gnoll with the gnoll!!!
those replaced words...it could be any kind of impossible lewdness! even holding hands
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>>191381054
maiden snow eve or whatever it's called
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>>191381575
Gnollcrawl was old as soon as it was made and this joke was never even funny.
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>>191381054
Maidensnoweve.
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>>191381737
its funny because gnoll xD
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>Gnollgnoll was gnoll as gnoll as it was gnoll and this gnoll was gnoll even gnoll
okay whatever you gnoll
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>>191381737
gnoll yourself kiddo
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>>191381737
gnoll fun allowed
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>>191381437
don't know what to google for that
>>191381580
>>191381871
I can work with this. I'm guessing there's no translation patch?
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pls stop
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gnoll
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>Playing abyssal knight in dcss
>Dagger
>Most unique monsters I find end in the abyss before half health
>Go to the abyss to finish them off, they get banished again
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>>191385435
abyss^2
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>>191385435
pretty sure monsters in the abyss can banish the player too
it just sends you a level or two deeper
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>>191385435
Well you do get some xp from banishing them, so does that mean that you could keep banishing a really difficult unique monster over and over again for sweet xp?
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>be demonspawn of okawaru
>grow up thinking that one day I'm going to have stronk molten scales like dad or a cool repulsion field like mom
>go into the dungeon
>find a set of enchanted boots of flight right away
>get dem 15/15 defenses in D:5 D because of disgusting luck with aux equipment and a ring of protection
>join Oka
>kill gastronok and a bunch of bitchass two headed ogres on D:6
>promoted to champion of okawaru without even really trying
>my mutations finally start kicking in
>monstrous
I'm trying to cope but it all feels so useless. Oka just gave me a hat of MR and a +4 plate armor but I'm not sure what to tell him. One day my horns and claws wil grow and all my enchanted shit will fall out, then everyone will see the armorclasslet that I was always going to be. Even if I return with the orb I keep thinking my family won't love me anymore if they see me like that. I'm currently clearing Lair and pumping my armor/dodging, but even then, my piety has been receding lately and I haven't got any mutations that REMOTELY make up for a monstie, nor will I get any before I fucking die as some death yak's cumrag. I'm also pretty sure I take way longer to pick new skills up than I used to and I've heard it's because of scaling but I don't believe in xp, I'm just a genetic failure. I used to not be afraid of anything but just yesterday I got knocked around by fucking SHEEP

Anyone else /peakedatmiddungeon/?
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can anyone send me a download link for a compiled version of Vulture 2.4? Ive been trying to compile this for hours now and im apparently too stupid to accomplish it.

pls help.
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>>191389239
>/rlg9k/
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>>191389239
Demonspawn is my favorite dcss boy, but it's not without downsides. I have gotten the habit of not training weapon skills before I know I'm not monstrous or getting claws for hands in which case I'm going unarmed
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>>191389239
When you start going monstrous, you gotta raise that strength. Pray for horns lad. You can be the damage man.
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>>191389669
I wish Demonspawn horns gave you the Minotaur headbutt.
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>>191389669
Yeah monstrous can be fun with a bit of luck and carefulness. You can do crazy damage once you are at a high enough level
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POST YOUR LAST DEATH RIGHT NOW
or sometime in the future
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>another game like incursion will never exist
very sad feelings
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dungeon adn dragon
but this requires to have friend
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>>191392591
>implying
Roll20 my friend. The books can be easily pirated. A lot of people in /osrg/ over at /tg/ like roguelikes so I guess there's a bit of overlap

Most people play 5e or 3.5/P.F nowadays but if you don't like memorizing rules and want something more typically roguelikeish and freeform B/X is the way to go. AD&D is kind of awful and best left for historical purposes. If you want race and class to be separate BFRPG exists and it's free
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>>191393119
I have played some 3.5 with real 3d actualfriends from other states over roll20
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What if instead of making ToME sparklier, DG had the sense to streamline his game so it wouldn't take hours of killing popcorn to get anywhere fun?
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something something sheila something something you cant possibly understand the balance of this game until you've won 5000 times on the highest difficulty something something drowning NPCs is gool and good
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>tfw cogmind is pretty much the best thing to happen to this genre since nethack but /rlg/ is a bunch of penniless neets so it won't be discussed.
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If /rlg/ dies I will an hero on livestream with tangledeep playing in the background.
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>>191396336
>muh stealth simulator
Come back when you have some gameplay depth.
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>>191396336
How dare you lump nethack together with cogmind.
You will forever be not my light skinned brother from another mother.
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>>191395942
too busy jerking off to gingers to fix his game and the pajeets in charge of development would rather make it take twice as long
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Incredible, you single handedly managed to topple one of /vg/'s finest generals and run it into the mud until it looks exactly like any of the other shitshows that infest this board.
I'm going wherever dicku went.
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>>191397852

What is with the rash of 0 context posts responding to no one in particular lately?

It's a bit tired at this point. And before you make a post pointedly not responding to me, remember that you are not funny.
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>>191397852
The elona general is over at >>>/jp/ faggot. Make sure the door doesn't hit you on the way out.
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>>191398042
severely autistic nethack niggers don't want to give (You)s so they act like passive aggressive women instead
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>>191381580

>maiden snow eve

whats that?
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>>191396336
>there is no reason to fight any enemy in the game
lol i sure love cuckmind haha
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>>191397852
t. shitter brainlet who gets mad when tome is posted because he can't beat normal adventure
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>>191398475
>>191399381
>>191399627
Okay, I maybe see what anon meant.
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>aralgee still unironically disliking tangledeep
sad
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>>191399917
>arelgee still being too poor to play tangledeep
FTFY
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>>191399967
just torrent it
literally who pays for single player video games, lmao
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>>191400028
rlg isn't even intelligent enough to win nethack how would they know how to pirate vidya?
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>>191399753
go back to the cdda forums if you just want a circlejerk and no discussion of actual roguelikes fuckboy.
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>>191397852
So what's your favorite roguelikes anon?
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>>191367271
>inspired by
That's too vague. What about Transcendence or the like?
Also, do bones files count as unlocking items for the next run?
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>>191401369
bones count. nothing is actually a roguelike except for angband and old-adom.
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>>191399064
I think /hgg2d/ has a download link.
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>>191401870
And Transcendence, apparently, since it's inspired by Rogue and doesn't have bones files.
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>>191400291
This torrent of shitposting is what passes as discussion for you?
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Haha wouldn't it be funny if we spawned clones of the player, and buffed it up with 14 additional prodigies?
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The Knight version of the ancestor is legit less tanky and damaging than a single summoned ice beast. Its just really disappointing.
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Didn't think shops could Stock something as valuable as one of the end of piety rewards of a god
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>>191410735
You can find those on the floor. That is a very necromancy-themed shop, though.
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>>191410923
The game just seems to want me to be a necro. I also have an artifact ring with neg energy resistance and a staff of death
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how the heck do I leave here
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>>191412839
press < on the tile ur stood on
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>>191412839
The entrance
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>>191412890

i'm being fucked with right
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>>191412998
The light blue tile on the minimap, retardicus.
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>>191413101
holy fuck im dumb, i thought it was an alter. .

thanks.
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>>191398475
It's not even me
t. nethack nigger
Also stfu tometard
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Darn my lucky ice mage died in Lair 4 to death yaks, because its by far the furthest I've gotten on a mage but I don't know enough about magic to know what boom I was supposed to buy to upgrade my magic. Just couldn't kill them fast enough. Also taking Hepli was a mistake because -10% HP and the inability to use other gods while with him doesn't even vaguely justify a summon so insanely weak it couldn't even 1 v 1 a Death Yak at level 12 while idealism casted
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>>191412839
>cropping your name
What are you afraid of anon?
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>>191413609
my name was auto'd idk why i cropped it, was something like rovin.

rovin died
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Is a dagger of speed better than an axe/sword/trident of anything? Or will its low base damage make it suck anyways? Found one on D:2
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>>191418050
only more useful if you're using its ability to stealthstab. ditto for other shortblades generally.
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i notice the dcss wiki lists formicid as one of the hardest races largely because no haste. now haste is dead, is every race hard mode?
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What should I get? Never had one of these before.
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PCB 7.0.2 is out and it has nothing interesting in it.
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=124526#post124526
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>>191420040
Usually what you dont have or something that your god doesnt gift.. For Mi, almost anything works honestly
I would ask for a weapon if i were you
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>>191420416
Got this thing. Not sure if its really any good for me when I already have cold resistance armor, ain't doing stealth and have 0 points in mace and flails. Pain has never really seemed that strong but I've only gotten it on daggers before
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>>191392451

The blockbuster roguelike epic with overworld and everything is just around the corner, any moment now anon!
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>>191420671
Meh, keep it in case you run into ice caves or some mage, for the rC+ and mr+, other than that its meh
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>>191420367
Well virtues are always on now.
I guess that's interesting.
Not good, by any means, but interesting.
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>>191419793
potions of haste and scrolls of tele still exist
they just removed the wands that did the same shit
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>Got a god I find really unfun from random altar
>Early enough I can just kill myself
>Minotaur so swole everything dies on me when I mash pass turn or does 0 damage
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>>191424886
You can press ^Q and then type "yes" to quit, you know?
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>>191396480
>>191396581
>>191399381

>shitposters immediately jump at the chance to prove my point

Thanks, I guess? You guys sure make me feel smart.
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>>191397852
It's probably better. I was away for a few months and came back to see this: a place that manages to be a worse circlejerk than most places it tries to make fun of. As someone who used to force roguelikes on /v/ back then and created some of the first generals there, it's needless to say it saddens me greatly.
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>>191425006
You can't just call legitimate criticism shitposting. Cogmind is flawed by design because there is no reason to ever fight any enemies.
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All right, before that, I considered chris to be just an eccentric, out of touch mediocre dev who isn't exactly good at game design and probably is on the spectrum.
Now I consider him an out of touch fucking retard who doesn't know SHIT about game design.

To make a change like this and rationalize it like he did, chris must not be misguided or have wrong opinions.
He must be afflicted by knuckle-dragging, chin-drooling, bellybutton-fingering, inside-of-anus-scratching-and-then-fingernail-chewing, special education RETARDATION.

Good thing I never really liked poschengband in the first place, otherwise this would hurt.
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>>191424360
I see Chris fell for the old "gameplay depth" meme.
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>>191428086
If he did that, it would be fine.
Instead he fell over his feet and rammed his head straight into the cupboard so hard that he mixed up gameplay depth with boring and idiotic tedium that adds no depth to the game at all.
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>>191427128
He's arguing about "depth" and while some classes do get probing abilities to ID monsters skilled players that have already experienced it rips said "depth" out.
>I don't think the game should make this sort of behavior more convenient
Right, it just sounds like he's going for the tedium = difficulty mindset and appealing to the "SO HARDCORE" crowd.
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>>191425006
>anything I disagree with is shitposting
Why are roguelike devs so retarded?
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>>191428418
>>I don't think the game should make this sort of behavior more convenient
>Right, it just sounds like he's going for the tedium = difficulty mindset and appealing to the "SO HARDCORE" crowd.
he's not saying "reading the edit files should be more tedious so the game is harder"
he's saying "reading the edit files is cheating"
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>fighting in the midst of a storm with axes, cleaving the entire dungeon in two with every swing
>STONED
>it runs out, chase down and kill the basilisk
>STONED
>pop heal and rage pots, kill that one
>STONED
>Dead
Qazlal is a lot of fun
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>>191428538
But I don't consider that to be cheating in a game like this, this isn't DCSS this is PCB where you have to play for many hours and do lots of repetitive shit. I think it's valid that someone doesn't want to be instantly blown up because they didn't see that monster breathes x or summons whatever.
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>>191428967
stop being bad
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>>191428967
I don't think anon is necessarily arguing on Chris' side.
>>191428857
Manipulate your LOS jfc.
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>>191428967
> I think
your thoughts are officially *BAD*
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>>191429083
The problem was I was having so much fun with my boy Qazlal I was basically high on power. I'm not sure if he really gives enough damage to justify his noise, but he does feel really good
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>>191428538
That's irrelevant.
He's arguing for a shitty mechanic that doesn't fit the game at all and was a mistake in the first place.
Are rods of probing still in the game? If he didn't remove those yet, the whole mechanic is completely fucking pointless and only means that you have to spend a turn probing every new spook who comes into view.

PCB isn't a game where you can afford to experiment. It's a game where your character has been "earned" through hours of skinnerboxing through needlessly huge xp intervals.

Plus, it's essentially unlocks. Unlocks are shit.
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>"STOP HAVING FUN WRONG!!"
literally chris
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>>191429218
Bro it's good, it assures that only the most HARDCORE and DEDICATED players could even have a possibility to beat the LEGENDARY game known as POZCUMBUTT. You have to EARN your win, this is roguelikes after all, simply the most FIERCE of vidya genres.
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>>191389275
anyone?
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>>191430018
no
what's getting in the way of compiling it?
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>>191430362
make (31) *** missing separator. stop
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Anyone have any tips for Unreal World?
I just had two characters in three real life days killed by small bears while hunting
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>>191420367
oh he also removed every vault/quest/monster contributed by Clouded
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>>191426857
I guess nethack is trash since you can E-word 90% of the dungeon.

And the entire design of DCSS is ruined by SpEn existing.

Choices are terrible, if you can progress through any means other than o-tab your game is trash.

stop samefagging, sterling, maybe you'll be able to buy it when it's on sale
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>>191413609
Jerkbags, probably.
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>>191430860
What choices are there in cogmind?
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>>191430860
>nethack and dcss are shit
Wow. Who would have guessed?
i already pirated it faggot
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>>191431149
Hey fuck you man. I bet you play tome which is LITERALLY not-a-roguelike.
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>>191431147
u can choose to fight stuff or u can choose to play the game right
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>>191431149
>the current state of this general
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>>191431660
>>191431729
same fagoo
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I'm excited for 1.6 TOME less stuns and more balance. Means I can focus on auto explore bump and reading the awesome lore!
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i nominate clouded for new maintainer
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>>191431936
do you think shibari and sheila actually post on this general haha i just thought it was a funny thing to say
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Who is excited for 1.6 TOME? Less stuns and more balance. Means I can focus on auto explore bump and reading the awesome lore!
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>>191431920
Wow you're pretty dumb aren't you?
Oh well you do play tome.
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>>191431729
This all happened because of the
>x is not a roguelike
>the game you play is shit, it just is
shitposters.

Even the /pol/tards weren't as cancerous.
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>>191432476
arelgee died at the last crawl tournament
the thread spent a week posting about nothing but dcss and all the other game posters left
then the tournament ended and all the dcss posters left too
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>>191432476
Can't hold a discussion about what is and isn't a roguelike? Go back to your mobile games shitter.
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>>191432361
same fagoo goo
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>>191432476
The thread is stagnating with the genre
>indie steam """"""roguelikes""""""
>roguelike devs going jew and making their games paid games or dlc
>devs of free roguelikes like dcss or cata being insane control freaks or insane sjws or both, and ruining their games
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>>191432476
>>191431729
Take off the nostalgia goggles grandpa samefag. I shouldn't be forced to share the same general with people that discuss kusoge hacklikes and open world games when we could be talking about tome instead.
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>>191431936
im looking forward to the new dlc and the free winz
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>>191432697
The actual problem is that we need new blood. Crawl dominated discussion even harder in previous years, except for a couple oddball periods where ADOM, Elona, Cata and PCB were the main games respectively, and the Elona/PCB eras killed like 1/3 of the former userbase

Now we're back to being the crawl general, except everyone has grown bored with crawl and all that is left are the shitposters who may not even play roguelikes but love stirring shit up
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>>191424360
>there are people that will defend Chris and vanilla PCB
Now that his autism CANNOT BE CONTAINED we can all agree that -R is the best *band. It's a Good day.
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>>191433613
-R is heresy play pseudo
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>>191424360

>players of this ilk deserve neither respect nor consideration of any kind
this man is completely insane
>>191433712
pseudo is 6.0 which is a terrible version
also no runesword start and no 30 K gold merchants
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>>191430719
THE FIEND
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>>191424360
I don't get obfuscation = depth retards.
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>>191432476
I'm glad I moved on to the secret club with the rest of the good posters and just come here every now and then to feel bad.
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poochengbad was a mistake.
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>>191433335
Problem with new blood is that those games need certain mass to be good FotMs.
The major roguelikes are all hueg and bloated, which means you can explore them for a long while and not get bored.

People expect that new roguelikes will have quality comparable to the ones everyone shits on.
Trying to actually make own roguelike is the best way to learn how it actually works. Even muh tight design ones take a ton of work.
Shitting on "bad" roguelikes is easy. Making a "bad" roguelike is much harder than what most of /rlg/ - or normal people - achieved in life.
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>>191434192
Can Kate send me the link?
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>>191434192
I too am a member of the Official ToME Discord! Upvote to you, my friend!
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Who is Clouded?
From the few posts mentioning him here, he sounds like the type of guy who gets into development of a shittily managed and designed game, attract the ire of retard main developer by fixing retarded shit, then gets kicked out for valid criticism of idiotic practices.
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>>191434752
Aren't you banned?
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>>191434792
yeah that's basically accurate as far as his pcb development involvement goes
he's also one of the most experienced *band players out there (he's beaten a larger number of variants than I've even vaguely considered trying) and a strong crawl player to boot
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>>191434792
It's the guy that added tons of fun monsters and uniques in PCB that were implemented first in elliposcheMPAband and then in pseudoelliposcheMPAband and then in pseudoelliposchengbMPAband-R.
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>kate banned me from the irc for making a "sexist" joke
Can someone appeal for me?
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>>191434792
have some forum posts
>the type of guy who gets into development
and no clouded is mostly just some guy who plays PCB
he contributed some vaults/quests (about as easy as adding dcss vaults i think) and he ported a big list of monsters and uniques from some other variant (Star Blades and the like)
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>>191435170
no. fuck off with your namefag drama.

>>191434863
>>191434752
you too nigger
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>>191435275
Jesus Christ autism
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>>191435312
Haha! Nigger! Man the internet sure is a great place to make friends with cool people. I can't wait to see what roguelikes you guys play! I personally am I fan of SLEX.
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>>191433335
The problem IS the new blood. I know the online handle of a good bulk of the people who shit this place up on a frequent basis, Tip: it's the same people shitting up other roguelike related places and/or getting banned from them. Open unmoderated anonimity is on the verge of death, and the entirety of 4chan is going to shit, each board at its own pace, because the new people have no self-moderation and are probably banned from everyone else, so they go to the only place they can feel self-important without being banned since moderation is pretty much inexistant in here nowadays.

So the results is what we see now, a massive circlejerk that pretends it's not a circlejerk because they're more socially inept than the other circlejerks.
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>>191435312
you're just mad you're a literal who
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>>191435275
sweet baby jesus this should not be real
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>>191435275
As autistic as chris is here, I don't really see anything wrong with the removals here.
Blue mage, imitator, GHB - all good riddance.
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>>191435468
All generals are circlejerks you pretentious faggot.
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>>191435468
I have been here for two days now and these boards seem fine. I do not know what you're problem is? I think many of these people are helpful. I think I will play DCSS now because of them.
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>>191435468
>The problem IS the new blood.

as someone who IS new to /rlg/ this is a joke of an excuse. Ive tried to be genuinely interested in the games talked about here and have been ignored at every turn when I ask for help or directions. Instead you endlessly fight about whos ruining the thread and who plays the most "worthy" roguelike.

pathetic.
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>>191435784
And that's why everyone hates /vg/
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>>191435780
GHB fun though. And 90% of PCB's classes and races are bloat nobody uses and that's the fun of it. Nobody really wants to play snotlings but they have a hidden mechanic about eating mushrooms and they are the only race that can benefit from wazting the most precious scroll in the game to create an artifact mushroom of power.
That's what I like in a game. Bloody dedication.

And he just removes everything.

Granted, blue mage and imitator sucked. They sucked big time. But they should (could) have been reworked.
What if he removed tourist?
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>>191435986
yeah thats a pretty accurate representation of most of you, not sure the term falseflag applies but ok
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>>191435895
I haven't seen you asking for any advice you retarded twat.
And if you had (which you hadn't) you would have been helped.
It's all in the archives you lying sack of shit.
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>>191435468
the problem is the oldfags that won't let go of their "muh board quality" autism, simple as that.
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>>191436181
>"muh board quality" autism
Reddit strikes hard and fast
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>>191436126
learn to read then captain autismo, I was ignored for over 24 hours the first time I asked for help.

stay in denial sperg.
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Can anyone recommend me good race for DCSS? I do not want to bump bump bump. I want to cast spells too!
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>>191436283
Gnoll. Alternatively, Deep Elf, Demonspawn, Octopode, etc.
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>>191436337
Thank you! I will see if DCSS is good game like everyone says it is!
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>>191435989
Maintaining tons of bloat in a bloated roguelike is a pain.
t. experience

I'm not defending chris in general, I have shat on him hard about the fucking retarded idea that monster memory unlocks are anything but fucking retarded.
It's just that if you want to unfuck something - and poschengband is fucked - you have to actually work on it. And working on bloated messes is a pain. I've read poschengband sources too, so I know it's not just bloated on the outside.
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>>191436246
>everything i don't like is reddit
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>>191436562
Calm down Reddit
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>>191436431
He specifically said in a commit comment somewhere that he intends to fix and re-add blue mage. Those two classes got broken when he changed monster spellcasting code in 7.00 and just haven't been fixed and re-enabled yet.
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>>191436617
>Fuck you!!! It must be because you visit a certain website, and not that you aren't autistic enough to put effort into bantering with other people online! Yeah! That'll show those Redditors! REEEEEE!

What a joke. Did mommy not feed you your tendies tonight?

Pic related - it's you.
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>>191436431
Alright, I understand.
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>>191436685
And this, my friends, is why you actually maintain a changelog instead of posting some brief notes and referring further questions to a git commit log which includes hundreds of unexplained commits entitled "Playtesting: X".
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>>191436792
>some manbaby redditor typed this out
not even gonna read this all, kill yourself please
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>>191436824
maintaining a changelog is good practice, no doubt, but it is also a huge pain in the ass, way out of proportion to the actual labor involved (which is always surprisingly quite a lot), plus they tend to get out of sync with reality.

so yes I agree there should be changelogs but I also understand why there aren't.
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>>191325007
>>191325161
>>191325536
What would be a man roguelike? Really i have been looking for the best rl since forever
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>>191436989
UnRealWorld is pretty manly if you discount the amusing picture of the dev in a bathtub innawoods filled with rose petals
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>>191436989
Dunegonmans is very manly! The game has many funny jokes and the women are men too!
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>>191436989
>best rl since forever
Tales of Maj'Eyal. You're welcome, and be sure to buy the DLC for the full experience!
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>he drools.
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reddit is the true master race
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if you think 4chan is anything but reddit without upvoting, you are blind &/or retarded
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>>191436951
Thanks for the non-response.
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>>191437205
Thank you for answering my question, what a nice bunch you are, am gonna check it.out right now!
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>>191437502
Thanks for the gnoll-response.
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Neat. Time to die by getting confused and not being able to read ?tele.
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>>191438441
>You are subject to be hit.
uh...besides the grammar issue, that sounds like a curse? Or is it some negative AC class thing?
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>>191438551
yeah apparently a priest cursed me boots with low ac.
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>no easy id
>forcing giant boring early levels
>that pure autism about clouded in the commits
>"I don't think the game should make this sort
of behavior more convenient and players of this ilk deserve neither
respect nor consideration of any kind."
RIP poschengband
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>>191433335
i am new and try to discuss games and ask for advice on builds and stuff but no one ever replies because drama is more interesting
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>>191436270
More bold faced lies or you probably asked something stupid like >hurrdurr someone help me compile this thing that any child should be able to figure out.
Was that you?
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>>191436283
Gnoll to try out all the shit, then once you know what spells you even like you can just move onto the races good at those.
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>>191440412
this was over a week ago, keep looking sperglord. however your autistic overly aggressive defense of this thread is just proving the point even more.
keep at it bud.
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>>191440394
Was your question related to dcss?
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>>191440412
oh look, someone else who is "lying"
>>191440394
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>a priest in the mountains drops a magical figurine of a leviathan
>a figurine of a level 80 sea dragon that breathes horrible things and has tons of HP
Too bad that summons are hostile in nightmare mode but at least I can get 30 K out of selling it

*cont*
Well, that was until I got confusion-locked by this fella right here
never go around the mountains without !speed if you don't have _tele
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>>191441598
leviathans are sea creatures and can't move if they're not on water tiles
so even if you weren't playing a meme mode it wouldn't be too useful. I guess you could turn it into a few hundred dead hydras if you really wanted but that's not too appealing by XL32
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>>191441883
>leviathans are sea creatures and can't move if they're not on water tiles
They can still breathe fire and acid for 800 each though
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>>191441963
yeah
you could use the figurine to beat one (1) angband quest but you'd then have to leave it behind forever since it can't move

or I guess you could pokeball it around with you actually
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>>191442051
what's your plan for beating into submission something that can oneshot you when you're in LOS
the captured monsters need to be in their deep reds to have a chance to be caught
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>>191442198
arelgee in charge of reading comprehension
>so even if you weren't playing a meme mode
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>>191442279
Oh
oh well
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I did a thing to stop you from dying
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>based razakai came into the discord and fucking murdered shibari
hahaha i can't believe he literally has to savescum his own game to pretend he's good at it
the future of tome, everyone
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>>191421621
>>191424360
>>191430719
>>191435275
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Is outsider drama a roguelike?
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>outsider
sweetie, we own this general
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>>191441162
>implying I looked for anything
Did you even bother to google or are you too dumb for that even?
Oh yah, that's right, there never was a question in the first place.
You lie to your mother with that mouth?
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>>191445512
>anonymous
>as if owning a piece of shit is anything to be proud of
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>>191445332
Only if those people are allowed to make changes to roguelikes.
If it's shibari being shat on for being bad, it's on topic because he's allowed to remake ToME in his image.
If it's discord literallywhos doing literally anything, report it. Janitors occasionally remove shitposts if those are reported first and are shit enough to be noticeably unrelated even to completely clueless outsiders.
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dropped down 3 floors in dcss into a pack of frogs i couldnt outrun, use any items to escape from because still early in game, fight because theyre from 3 floors below what my char is ready to fight or really do anything except die against. im not sure why dropping down an entire 3 floors is a thing
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>>191447469
Shaft traps are honestly a lot of fun.
Being put in an extremely dangerous situation with no obvious way out and having to make tough decisions is the most fun you can have in roguelikes. There is, of course, some nasty stuff like getting shafted before you've finished your work on D:1, or landing in a pack of fast threats like you did- but it's not much different then opening a door into the D:1 halberd gnoll or having an ancient lich cast crystal spear on 3/4 of their turns when you don't have ?Silence.

In games with such a large degree of randomization, shit happens. You're going to have to get used to being dealt a hand with no cards in it at all sometimes.
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>>191448128
i dont mind shaft traps when its like 1 floor, not 3 (which even if you can escape is just tedious) or its not at a point when i have no option but to die. the latter happens pretty rarely in crawl though. usually i just read a tele scroll and run a bit for a decent chance of an out
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>>191447469
>not using shafts instead of stairs
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>>191448493
I dunno. I don't really find it tedious unless my character is balls to the walls OP. I find it pretty enjoyable. Being denied a safe upstair is fun and just 1 floor doesn't really have that effect.
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First time getting fairly far in CDDA. Is the heavy survivor gear worth going for? It seems really encumbering, and at the moment I don't have any good ranged weapons to make up for any bad rolls it might create.
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>>191448768
yea but im bad
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>>191446885
t. Shibari
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>>191449021
Well then get good and have fun getting shafted with me, my friend.
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>>191447469
Shafts are fun and balanced. Don't worry, crawldev needs the early game to be random or else people might actually streak it!
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>>191449164
im trying
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we need new FOTM
pic unrelated
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>>191444852
It's not like you can trust any of the character dumps to be legit.

At one point (maybe you still can, wouldn't surprise me) you could use ToME's wizmode to remove the flag that said you used wizmode and let your game data upload normally.
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>>191450321
one thing i noticed you can do is edit an addon, play as an unlegit char, then just redownload the unedited addon/revert the changes and suddenly it lets you count as legit. so you can play with like 1 turn cooldown nukes that cost nothing for 99% of the game, fix it before beating it and the game doesnt care
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>>191450321
>>191450602
Is this why the shitposters never talk about actually playing the game
How do you even defend this
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>>191448919
the survivor armor in general is super OP
i think the heavy survivor armor is not that necessary unless you plan to be fighting things that can shoot you with bullets like the auto-turrets in labs
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>you teleport at full health
>that great crystal drake you teleported away before breathes shards for 500 damage right when you teleport!
>you realize you had 486 HP
>you are broken.
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>>191448919
It was pretty strong last time I checked, then it got nerfed hard twice.
The encumbrance may kill your dodge and will slow down your attacks, but if you use a heavy weapon it will not make you utter shit at everything.
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Is there even a single redeeming quality to Rogue? Seems like shit even for what they had at the time.
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>>191451361
>>191452238
I currently have regular survivor gear, but I'm not sure if downgrading to light is worth it for the encumbrance/protection tradeoff. Also not sure what weapon to use, as I'm still wielding a knife spear and a crowbar, and neither seem to do enough damage quickly enough.
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>>191451709
didn't you post basically the same splat a few days ago
object permanence is an important skill anon
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>>191452546
At least upgrade to a pipe spear, it's knife spear but better. Most of the actual weapons are good if you have a forge plus the books.
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>>191452546
>spend enough time grinding to get survivor armor, implying level 7 or so, meaning few in-game days spent crafting
>don't have anything stronger than knifu spear, craftable at level 1, within ~2 in-game hours from the very start
You should have a ton of fire axes lying around. If you don't, raid a fire station.
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>>191452608
Yeah, but this time I had no other way to get out because I didn't bring a scroll of recall
that other time I just died because of teleporting around this time I was trying to get to the exit
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>>191453095
>I didn't bring a scroll of recall
noob
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>>191453515
Why would I need to bring a scroll of recall in stronghold fucking 1

now I know why
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You know what
I'm tired of having to deal with this bullshit of only having slots from a to z and needing to hoard shit to sell it back

I'm going to create an item and call it the portal to the elemental plane of gold or something and make it a 0 weight item that uses alchemy with a 0 timer so you can turn your junk into gold without going to a shop and put it as a reward for some kind of shitty quest like the sewer one or whatever

I have no idea why I haven't thought about this already
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>>191453964
why an item
just add a bit to the birth code that gives every character a racial alchemy power
or better yet start with infinite gold
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>>191453964
As you probably expect from pcb, alchemy has a smaller cap than selling.
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>>191454153
>or better yet start with infinite gold
Oh, shut up.
>>191454251
Oh.
Of course.
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>>191452608
>try to use a "fancy" phrase like object permanence and fall flat on your face failing
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>>191435170
what was the joke?
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>>191454251
Does chris want to be disliked?

>>191456063
ToME
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>>191449314
Do your fucking ganbarimasu, anon.
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>>191456063
>semen meter
DDA.
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>>191455623
Actually it's funny because he's implying anon is a literal child.
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>>191456208
Only pouar's fork has bladder meter
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>>191456298
Degenerate Days Ahead has semen addiction
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>>191456115
>Does chris want to be disliked?
Probably dates back before chris, most of the useless spells are old I think.
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>>191456362
It doesn't, at least not like the other addictions in DDA. Addictions are hardcoded.
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>>191455623
anon forgets things exist as soon as they're not on his screen and then is somehow surprised when he runs into them again
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>>191454251
it doesnt though
-R raises the selling cap and probably just forgot to raise the alchemy cap as well
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I'll paypal £20 to anyone who can provide a compile (tiles) of the latest version of Hellcrawl. I've unsuccessfully tried everything to do it myself, and the best solution anyone could give me is "uninstall Windoze 10" (I don't want to)
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>(tiles)
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>>191457294
sent :^)
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>>191457294
>proudly using the m$ botnet
lol
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>>191457283
May he be praised eternally
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Oh, apparently you can't turn artifacts into gold though.
That's lame. I'll look if that can be changed.
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play tales of maj'eyal "please"
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ugh. Only if you edit the code. That's annoying. I guess I can carry artifacts then. Or maybe I don't even need to and I can just drop them
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>>191457560
>power dragon
Sounds like a really bad power metal band name.
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>>191458596
You mean a really good power metal band name.
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>Sil has an honest to god manual that explains things
Christ that's amazing. I've never even seen that before. What a novel concept!

Looking at you, PCB.
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>>191459947
>wanting to have information served up instead of tediously grinding it
Players of this ilk deserve neither respect nor consideration of any kind
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>>191459947
Nethack has a whole wiki that explains the game for you and it's still not good PogChamp
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Should I try Brogue, Demon, or Infra Arcana next?
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>>191460459
>stealth sim rng build garbage
>gimmick game around AI party members
>stealth sim rng build garbage
just be yourself lol
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>>191460459
Play Brogue if you haven't.
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>>191460459
Infra Arcana
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>>191461090
This guy seems trustworthy. I'll go with that.
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You feel lucky! Full moon tonight.
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>>191461901
awoo~
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>>191460782
what rl do you play
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the tome dlc cycle
>release retarded op shit
>leave it for tometards to shill it because they cant win real difficulties without crutches
>nerf everything to death before releasing another one that dwarfs the last in terms of OP p2w content
this is painfully jewish. imagine actually buying that shit haha.
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>>191462121
ADOM, sil, and hack forks
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>>191458324
>anon wants to modify his game to cheat and make it easier but is still too lazy to touch actual code
what the h*ck buddy
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>>191462402
Did you buy ADOM?
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>>191462565
>but is still too lazy to touch actual code
I'm running -R on wine through linux
it's a bit of a pickle
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>>191462583
Maybe when the paid version actually has worthwhile content in it
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>>191462402

>bad Elona+
>turnbased Metal Slug with stairs
>non-canon malware
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>>191463337
>grindy gook knockoff of adom
>better than the original
Begone weeb.
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>>191463408
I agree with this image
gas all weebs
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>>191463408
well memed friend
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QUICK HOW DO I CLOSE TEARS IN REALITY IN CATADDA???
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>>191456593
>hardcoded
>in an open-source game
Why would that stop anyone?
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you uh
don't
like, there's no real reason to, also

literally just walk away if weird stuff happened
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>>191463838
Why contain it?
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>>191464046
THE TAINTED AND UNTAINTED MEAT FROM THIS CORPSE ORGY HAS OVERFLOWED FROM MY MINIFRIDGE AND I CAN'T DEHYDRATE IT ALL FAST ENOUGH
THIS IS A FUCKING CRISIS MAN
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>>191464137
Just keep ripping and tearing through everything. Who cares about a bit of lost food?
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>>191463408
ADOM is a bad game, and no picture collage can change that.
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>>191463905
Last degenerate who wanted to add horse dicks spent hours getting people to spoonfeed him ready code.
It's hard to program with one hand.
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>>191464183
IT SPAWNED OUTSIDE MY STATIONARY BASE AND I AM TOO MUCH OF A SHITTER TO UPROOT MYSELF AND LEAVE
MY NPC HAS BEEN SLAYING YUGGS, MIGO, BLANK BODIES, FLOATING EYES, KRECKS AND GRACKEN FOR DAYS EVEN THOUGH THE GRAKENS ARE COOL
AND THE CONSTANT NOISE IS KEEPING ME AWAKE AT NIGHT
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>>191464639
Become the frontline base that holds back the otherworldly invasion or something then. Keep killing them until they stop coming.
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>>191464313
adom is the only good roguelike
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>>191464756
You're right. all I need are spikepits to deter yugs and a fucking shitload of ammo to btfo everything
I need to grind mechanics to get the Hellsing though since I'm stuck with the pneumo rifle instead and my NPC has a nail rifle
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>>191464894
That's the spirit. Slake your thirst for life with blood, let nothing that emerges from that rift survive.
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>>191464512
He succeeded in the end, didn't he? He implemented an interface for activating NPC mutations. Everything he did with it was terrible, but that doesn't make it less of an accomplishment.
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thanks
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If you have ever played Nethack or other hacklikes please give advice. I've overcome a lot of adversity in this run through, it's the second time I ever killed the Minotaur, and I'm a few floors below him now, barely surviving each floor. Last two floors I lived after an angry god spawned mobs all around me at low hp because I lucked out by a hole in the dungeon being near and intentionally falling in the 'trap' to the floor below. PAX still hates me and summoned mobs around me again but I escaped to this island. This is the furthest I've ever progressed but I have no poison resist via bad luck, and janky acid resist (have to equip a artifact wand for the intrinsic, lowering damage.

I have fast boots equipped but I can also equip jump boots and a artifact blindness potion to have fast intrinsic and the ability t jump. I don't have the barbarian outfit so I can't move in diagonals (can throw and zap diagonally and so can enemies). I have a wand of ice, fire, invisibility, polymorph (no control), speed, slowness, light, and digging.
I cannot cast any spell because then the barbarian god will kill me, but if I level I can choose atheist and be unbothered. Im trying to get very strong before I go atheist and start casting spells. I have shock, fire, and cold rings as well as regen but can only wear two at a time. I don't have boots of water walking or breathless so drowning in the lake is a very real threat.
Should I attempt to explore the lake, since it's 25% of the map and I explored most of the dry land without finding the ladder down?
I also have the intrinsic "reflect" but beams that explode still hit me.

I think I have a good enough setup and that I am on a hardcheck floor and luck will boon me on the next. I wish I had an artifact Warhammer or Spear but a short sword with shock and physical and the intrinsic "uncahnging" (so I can perma morph with wand if my form has a weapon slot and cant be turned to stone).
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>>191457294

https://mega.nz/#!VnREXQ4I!bV4dfLbgRL25Spo6Rvjim0Z-TaHI93h2K4-HKaOlO_k

Let me know if this works. First time cross-compiling this game.
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How do I examine tombs and chests in IA? Pastebin says to do it with a but that doesn't seem to work.
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>>191467101
Don't read the IA pastebin, it's a billion years old.
My recommendation for tombs is to not open them until you know what you're doing and are ready to get killed or crippled.
For chests you can press 'd', then the direction to search and attempt to disarm any traps you find. You can't do this while enemies are nearby, you are encumbered, or you are on fire though.
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Okay this just happened. I'm probably fucked. He's removing my island.
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>>191466475
>>191467320
Man I really need to set up a GBA emulator on my phone one of these days.
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Did poschengband R get an update? If it didnt, should I play R or the latest version of PCB?
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>>191467320
I made it. First time using a dimensional portal.
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>>191467512
IOS 10 and below has this game in the store. On 11 it's non working.
Android has a beta for a native app.
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So i'm really new to rogue-like is there a way to get used to the control? It's really not intuitive and most of my time is spend looking which key does what and so one.
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>>191467610
poschengband R latest versoin is 5.0.5
pseudoelliposchengband (and elliposchengband) latest version is 6.1.0
vanilla poschengband latest version is 7.0.2

there is no puar fork as of yet unfortunately
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>>191467880
youll get used to it eventually
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>>191467880
>most of my time is spend looking which key does what and so one.
That's how you get used to the control.
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>>191467610
>If it didnt, should I play R
No
>or the latest version of PCB?
No
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>>191467880
>is there a way to get used to the control
yes, there is a way to get used to the control
the way to get used to the control is play the game
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>>191467880
This game taught me how to type. You can play the newer roguelikes, they generally have more streamlined controls.
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>>191467880
Other than an ancient mac game called Messiah POWDER (the GBA game but its on Linux and Windows and Android and Rasberi Pi too) is my first roguelike. It's inspired by the originals and maybe easier, but I still can't win. That said, it's taught me all the essential mechanics, like dropping a mace in water, freezing the water, melting the ice, and retrieving the ice mace. Even though I never win I cannot stop playing.
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>>191467880
It depends a bit on which game you're playing. If you have a numpad, using it for directional movement is fairly intuitive. For other commands, often there is some sort of mental association to make. e.g. 'q'uaff a potion, 'd'rop an item, 'w'ield/'w'ear equipment, 'r'ead a scroll, 'z'ap a device, 'R'est, 'l'ook, and so on. Those examples are from Angband, but similar patterns for association exist for many games' more commonly used keys.

Ditto for a lot of the ascii characters used. 'q'uadrupeds, 'H'alfmen, 'p'eople and 'P' for giants (big people), etc. Again those examples are from Angband, but other games have their own logic to most of the choices.
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>>191467880
The most popular non-meme roguelikes in this general all have mouse controls, so try those.
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i guess it's really more 'H'alfbreed than halfmen. Stuff like griffons for example go in there.
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>>191468429
I don't recommend mouse play, since once keys are memorized they are much faster.
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>>191468712
tfw try to use the mouse and click the wrong thing
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GUYS FUCK THERE ARE MULTIPLE DIMENSIONAL RIFTS
I CAN'T SEAL OFF TWO OF THEM OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK
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>>191468857
ask this man to take a look
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>>191468857
Kill more.
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Oh shit. Give me a break!
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This is the best /rlg/ thread we've had in weeks I don't know what the haters are bitching about.
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>>191469978
I've never seen the intrinsic "a leader" before.
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>>191470116
Oh wow he can teleport me into his room (I was just throwing shit from out of his reach).
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>>191421621
I did the mistake of reading his motivations for it in the 7.0 thread -
"For example, I think the virtue system *must* be on all the time. It has subtle design effects on the gameplay and a few not so subtle effects that really, really *ought* to be experienced. First-hand ... not source dived and spoiled."


Yes, constant shitposting in the messagelog for a game that already overflows with -more- is exactly what PCB lacked to propel it into roguelike greatness ;_;
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>>191470669
Hopefully my teleport wand (no control) favors me.
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>when you rip and tear so much that the tears in reality are torn to pieces and your army of blobs spawned from canisters decimates anything and everything that steps out of the portal
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>>191470029
[confused Tim Allen noises]
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>>191470769
>teleport away from boss
>land in room of red tridude with legendary red tridude.
I might win though I have fire resist.
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>>191430719
I smell drama.

http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8500
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>>191470743
I mean, I can understand why he'd want to remove those kinds of options that change game difficulty, so you can ensure all games are comparable.

Then he just want full autism.
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>>191471475
lol
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>>191471475
>>191471860

Sorry, drama is old.

http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8500&page=13
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>>191420367
>>191430719
>>191471475
the poz experience
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>>191471660
Yeah, I can see where he is coming from (if a bit deluded and close to insane) but yeah, obviously it is easier to compare chardumps if everyone is actually playing the same version and not DMs-houseruled-PCB but well...

Not like the variant suffered from having a clean design at any point in time (I only played 3-5 though but not like I'm reading good stuff about the current design)...
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>>191470862
I don't understand, could you include a picture in your post next time?
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>>191472552
M I N D F L A Y E R
C
A
V
A
L
R
Y
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>>191472967
[agitated Tim Allen noises]
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>>191473219
This is the best I could do on such a short notice.
Tim Allen is a roguelike I believe, definitely passes the Berlin interpretation.
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*improvised weapons*
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>>191473005
?
I actually never played cavalry above early stronghold(camelot) level
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>>191473535
he made noxico
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>>191473574
You are playing the game correctly, according to the true Poschengband creator, Chris.
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>>191473005
man that lazy mindflayer cavalry was a fun character, I'd nearly forgotten it
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>>191473535
The Berlin interpretation is trash, just had to throw that out there. Why is it trash? Because it's a list of tropes rather than a genre definition. Yes, roguelike players are used to and love all those extra things in their games but really you only need this to be a roguelike:

1: Be an single-player RPG (for the sake of brevity I'll shorten that debate to making choices/having an effect on the world/dungeon/whatever).
2: Be turn-based in an action-point/time sense (unlike turn-based games such as Civ 5, in a roguelike your characters individual actions take up turns or not depending on your "speed", you already know how roguelike turns go, such they must be like that).
3: You must have primary or exclusive control of one character at a time, usually one for the entire game (I am aware of a roguelike where you can switch between multiple characters in a dungeon, this also works).
4: The game must be based on some type of grid, it can be squares (traditional) or something like hexagons, or anything really, but it must be grid-based (and your character must move one entire cell/square/hex at a time when you move them).
5: Movement, role-playing, and battling must happen on the same screen, not to the exclusion of an over-world map, or role-playing chat pop-ups (think of NetHack, you can chat, move, and battle on the same screen, there are no breaks in that as in a game like Final Fantasy, where you have instantiated combat).
6 (bonus): There generally must be some kind of top-down view of the game (there can be other views, but I include this because as we've seen from NotEye, first-person roguelikes are a God damn mess and hard to play). This may just be another trope, maybe it can be pulled off to have first-person roguelikes, but at this moment, top-down works best for the genre. I'd love to see VR roguelikes, but I don't feel the kind of turn-based combat roguelikes need would work for it, it'd be much better suited for ARPGs.
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>>191476149
CONTINUING:

No, permadeath is not part of it, neither is randomized maps and items, nor numbers. Yes they are popular tropes and expected of roguelikes, but not needed. Elona doesn't have permadeath (or at least it is optional), yet it's still a roguelike. DCSS sprint mode doesn't have randomized maps, yet it is still a roguelike. The five (six if you want to count the last, which I advise) key features of a roguelike are what define the genre.

Yes, the battle over the definition may be a losing or, or completely lost already, but I still refer to roguelikes as this definition, or call this definition (the one that has the majority of roguelike history behind it) classic roguelikes.

Rant over, I just get slightly pissed over this kind of thing.
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>>191476149
>>191476526
Anime's a roguelike and so's Tim the Toolman Taylor.
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Trust Roguelike players to try and define a genre amongst those terms
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>Belweir welcomes me to his library.
I have to put items on all of these alters to solve a puzzle, wrong combination = item erased.
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true roguelikes only have two requirements, o, and tab
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>>191477293
>he doesn't use the mousewheelup mousewheeldown rebind of o and tab for MAXIMUM SANIC spinny
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>>191473535
forgot picture
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>>191478301
Is Tool Time permadeath?
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>>191476149
>The Berlin interpretation is trash, just had to throw that out there. Why is it trash? Because it's a list of tropes rather than a genre definition.
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>>191477173
>>191470983
>>191470769
Fuck why can't I get good at this game?
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>>191458596
You mean a really expensive postal option
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Is it really permadeath if you can just start over?
In a true roguelike you would only have 1 life with which to play and when you die you die in real life too so you couldn't savescum.
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>>191479196
you can die in real life?!
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Serious question, are roguelikes immersive sims?
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>>191479874
eh maybe not immersive sims so much as dynamic storytelling through mechanics. I.e. it's not about the plot and dialogue (maybe none exists) but the story you get to tell yourself about your character's progression and ultimate fate.
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>>191479874
cdda is a very immersive realistic simulation
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>>191479874
They're more like mary sue simulators.
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You may most certainly not.
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>>191480604
>this is what separates us from /r/roguelikes
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>>191478665
I've been playing off and on for a long time (at least a year) and this is the farthest I've ever gotten. Even if I get to Baalzebub, even if I kill him, I have to resurface, and i've never even seen the devil yet.
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>>191480604
pouar dda is the shit

chad pouar vs virgin kevin granade
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>>191478665
I always choose the cultist god or H'ruth, allowing me to be a warrior mage though generally it fails and Im just a warrior with mana because if you have 600 fvor with him and cast a spell it resets his favor to 0 and he uses 600 points of boon to kill instead of aid you. If you throw a lot of items constantly and melee it keeps his favor lower, but hgh enough to help you, then when you betray he only has like 60 points to attack with, but its very hard to do and this game ill be forced to go atheist (only +5/+5 per level) to avoid being raped.

I still haven't attempted the puzzle as Im scared.
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>>191479196
In POWDER you can only save&quit and it records if you load multiple times and POWDER scripts are encrypted so unless you break encryption it records save scum and denies you high score list.
Even with save scums, even with cheating using Wish (also nulls high score ist), i never have won. My current run is clean so when i die itll be my highest score.
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>>191479196
the point of roguelike permadeath is that you must frequently start over, keeping no progress except the player's progress in learning the game
compare to. a normal rpg where you will make one character/save, play it for a long time while constantly progressing and getting stronger, and then eventually win and stop playing
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Is POWDER the most pure roguelike in existence?
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I've been trying to enjoy ToME but it's not going so well. I want to unlock all of these classes but I cant find this fucking allow_build.profile file and for all I know the goddamn pastebin is a decrepit piece of shit.
Who the fuck thought unlockable classes was a good idea in a roguelike?
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>>191483115
I think it's so you can play the game and get knowledge of the systems and mechanics before you get to the really advanced classes.
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>>191483427
That's well and fine for shitters but I've ascended nethack several times now and I feel like I'm advanced enough to cycle through my hotkey bar.
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>>191483115
The same dev who set up the game to pull scripts off the internet and run them with full OS permissions.
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>>191483827
Ah true, I don't play much anymore because of this mainly. If you're decent at roguelikes it just feels like the game is holding back the fun.
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>>191483827
>I've ascended nethack several times now

Whoa, watch out guys. we got a badass over here.
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How would snakebite compare to a more normal 1-hand endgame mace? Like a non-elec dwhip for instance?
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Is there a guide or something for resizing the font in the Sil terminals?
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>>191484171
Shit, but I (know) there is a workaround, I'm sure one of the very helpful tometards (1) that inhabit this cesspit will help me I'm sure
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>>191485598
Way, way worse than a dwhip.
Snakebite is an outstanding weapon up to lair, but after that you would really rather kill monsters than slow and poison them.
Hilarious to use in spider though. As long as you have an option for the few poison resistant critters.
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>>191485598
Snakebite is the curare whip yeah? I'd stick to a dwhip normally but carry it around as a swap. See a threatening non-rpois badguy? Hit him enough to proc the curare then swap to your actually-does-damage weapon to finish him off while he's slowed and unable to cast spells.
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Just finished floor 24, floor 25 is Baalzebub.
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>>191487987
A fucking win to be had? I'm excited, do it man! I might download POWDER now.
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>>191487897
you can do it anon!
i believe in you!
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>>191487987
Pretty funny since I did spell it wrong.
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>>191488163
I diagnosed him and I think so too, we'll see. I always underrated boots of water walking until this run.
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>>191488163
You are the hero arelgee needs.
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Do you guys freak out over savescumming like r/roguelikes?
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if you wanna cheat just play wizmode from the beginning
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>>191488686
I freak out over all kinds of stupid shit
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>>191488686
I don't care how others play their games, but personally I refuse to save-scum. To me it's an amazing experience when I beat a game without doing that.

And I'm too damn lazy to do that anyway, legit.
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>>191488126
Your belief gave me what I needed. Now I just have to ascend all 25 floors I climbed down with his heart. So I guess technically this is my first 50% clear.
All of my quivered spears are buried in the lava because I was so scared, and all my damage wands need to be recharged.
I'm hoping my invisibility wands and sleep wands do work.
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>>191488686
POWDER has a savescum feature but it invalidates your run as far as the high score list goes. Good for experimenting mechanics though.
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h-hold me /rlg/
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>>191489479
If you ascend I will cum buckets and pay off every jannie in this filthy stinkhole to ban every fucking not-a-roguelike player here. And I'll suck you off ironically.
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>>191490068
why are amazing OP items in dcss so boring
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>>191490393
Because you're jaded and your brain simply cannot comprehend "fun" anymore.
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>>191489479
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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>>191490393
Because the most important qualities for an armour or weapon to have are base type and enhancement bonus.
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>>191490092
I failed hard. Needed "evade traps" because the earth elementals are fucking evil.
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>>191490656
what killed you?
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>>191490703
The black heart apparently does not allow you to teleport.
An earth elemental kept digging the earth from under me and my rolls to climb failed as a Flesh Golem beat on me. If I had evade traps I could walk over.
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>>191490842
Also the earth elementals can do this from long range (i have no idea where it even was).
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>>191490703
Well. I'll try again tomorrow.
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>>191490703
Sorry I meant to say stupidity killed me. I was so busy trying to exit the pits that I let a flesh golem attack me instead of killing it first/sleeping it and then climbing out.

Keep in mind I had the intrinsic "buried" because the elemental dug me in a pit and tossed a boulder, filling it with me inside the hole.
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>>191490703
I should have went outside, smoked a cig, and waited since its turn based but I got so scared of mystery boulders and the ground giving out under me that I played it like a live action game. I could have survived, could have ascended, but got dumb and careless. The game is so good it tricked me into an emotional fear state which made me irrational. Sorry for five replies but damn I am going to analyze this all night,
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>>191490656
Heh

You already experienced most of what POWDER has to offer, everything you do after that will be identical to what you did here.
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>>191491475
I have not experienced winning yet, and I only learned Earth Elementals could literally bury me today, so there's a lot to learn still.
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>>191491556
>I have not experienced winning yet
POWDER doesn't have DCSS style winning with demons spawning everywhere, the climb upwards is just tedium.
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>>191491475
My intrinsics/skills/spells:
21,000 turns.
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Berlin Interpretation is shit. Here's a better definition of what is and isn't a roguelike:

- If I like the game, it's a roguelike.

- If you like it and I don't, it's not a roguelike and only casual shitters play it.
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>>191491657
Not true, earth elementals tried to remove my island earlier before i got the heart, after they buried me alive. Both were things that had never happened to me before.
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>>191491657
How are demons spawning everywhere
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>>191492091
They do it all the time, it's just that it's dodgeable.
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>>191492156
*is
less tedious than earth and water elementals and demons spawning everywhere? I rate this game 9/10 but really 10/10 because I am so addicted.
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>>191492191
So it rarely happens. I've put so many hours in and never saw it till this run.
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>>191492321
Once I beat this I will try DCSS though, it sounds like a good one. Nethack after that.
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>playing Sil
>only 200 feet down
>find a sword that gives me Whirlwind attack but enrages nearby creatures
Whoa. That's pretty amazing.
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I should really be studying for my midterms
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>>191493971
No time for sleep, eat, or education, only pain and suffering in roguelikes.
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>>191485923
Race class unlock addon.
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>>191493971
I thought you died for good.
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just a little more to go, friends
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ded
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so whats up with the new poschengband? clouded monsters removed, blue mage also removed, peeking at r_info.txt is officially cheating now?
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>>191506483
>so whats up with the new poschengband?
>"If you choose to play differently from me you're the scum of the earth and should be genocided"
-Adolf Chirstler
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I picked up two scrolls of aquirement in the same spot in D:8. Ironically godlike luck seeing as I can't find the god I want. Not sure what to even get with the second; the first gave me a great wep, I already have good enough armor
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dont starve and cata are literally the same game discussing cata either means roguelites are fair game or dont starve is a roguelike so all roguelites are since it aint
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>>191508437
>dont starve and cata are literally the same game
Look I get what you are trying to say, but that's pretty dumb even as hyperbole
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>>191509129
But he's right. They're both trash piggybacking off the roguelike name.
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>>191509273
They might be trash, but that doesn't mean that they are the same, even if he doesn't mean it literally.
Also who in their right mind would compare don't starve to a roguelike?
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>>191509674
>cata
>roguelike
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>>191509735
>cata
>not a roguelike
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>>191509735
Well that's obviously debatable. Don't starve .
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>>191510006
Dont starve isnt was what I was trying to say
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>>191507019
Eh just gamble for another good bit of armor
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tangledeep is a mobile game
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Tangledeep has both gameplay depth and tactical combat.
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>>191510763
That's what I did and got pretty far before some strangely out of depth fire demon thing 2 shot me with brimstone or something. I had blink scrolls but they didn't blink me far enough since the area was largely covered in untraverable lava. Was really weird since both my wep and ring had fire resist on and the aquirment gave me a scarf that had ice and fire resist so I have no idea why it hurt so much. Maybe it was one of those attacks that just ignore everything and smite you
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>>191508437
>both have perma death
>both come down to getting sustainable resources then lose all sense of challenge unless you specifically try to die
>both top down perspective
>both have very simplistic combat where you just gauge how many times you can hit a thing before moving to do it again, ccda at least has cover to abuse
>both are not roguelikes
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>>191498616
Thanks jerkbag!
I guess tome players aren't all bad!
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I'm glad that poschengbad has finally been crushed under Chris socks and sandaled feet. This way, people will stop playing this piece of shit game.
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>>191514895
Hi Amy. Kill yourself.

>>191514124
Simplistic combat is not a pro of roguelikes.
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>>191515060
and neither cata or dont starve are roguelikes
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>>191515060
>Calling me Amy
There's no fouler word in the language of mordor
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>>191515141
Shut up Amy
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>>191505172
heh
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>>191515361
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>>191515361
t. amy
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Fun as my boy Quazlal is, I'm starting to feel like he's a trap god. Even at max piety his clouds don't do enough damage to justify the noise. Summons are pretty bad, too. Upheaval is nice but not nicer than spamming better summons from other gods or using their powers to escape better. He feels like he was made for a game other than crawl, where standing in the middle of a massive room mashing tab isn't retarded
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>>191505172
the 'pun' is cute but the funniest thing in this image might just be that a level 31 character failed to hit (much less kill) a green naga in melee
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>>191515361
The real Amy (that's me :P) finds it very funny how you keep thinking some random anons are me. Hahahahahahaha!
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Pray you never know the horrors of nightmeme mode
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>>191515712
Qaz is the best god because he brings the XP to you!
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>>191516870
Hey hottie....wanna make roguelikes together bby? ;3
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>>191514646
Marry me.
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>>191517449
Sure, release your source code and I'll "slexify" it while you fork mine!
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>>191517803
The only reason people bullied Biskup for not releasing his source code was that he wasn't actually working on the game at the time. Now that he's steadily releasing more versions, most people don't care anymore.

I personally want ADOM rebalanced so that spear+shield isn't one true combo.
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I'd fork her
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>>191518035
big punch was always better than spear + shield but there still aren't any other good options
i guess the 2h axe you get for minotaur maze is good but not worth going through that hell
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>>191518189
really? i thought amy was an ugly dyke IRL
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>>191492380
This morning I realized I had a staff with the life saved intrinsic and I just needed to equip it.
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>>191520076
CUTE
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>>191518217
>big punch was always better than spear + shield

The problem is that by the time you get beeg paunch, you could easily have leveled up spear+shield so that your EV bonus makes switching not worthwhile. Plus, you're guaranteed to get plenty of scorched spears and some higher material spears on the way to the caverns. To add insult to injury, leveling spears lets you easily switch to the runed/rooster trident if and when you feel like it.
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Rogue Effect updated to v1.0
now has a save/resume feature

http://dowhilecompiling.blogspot.com/2017/09/rogue-effect-v10-and-drakefire-chasm.html
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>>191520369
BP does like four times the damage of low material spears which is way more worthwhile than a few dv
you don't get the good tridents till endgame anyway and you can pretty much breeze through it.
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lets talk about tongledeep :)
i nearly winned ysterday but then i died :)))
this means i can play more today :)))))))))
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>>191498627
??? I'm still in megazigg 6 or something
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Does anyone play with filthy clothing on? Any suggestions on what I should do with all the zombie clothes?
I don't actually mind being unable to use zombie clothes. It's forcing me to find other sources of leather and cloth. Only now, it's pointless clutter, that unlike tainted zombie meat, isn't going to rot away on its own.
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>>191367482
"gameplay depth" is unmeasurable so it cannot be used as an objective criteria.
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>>191521191
i dont know how the armor system works in the slightest so i always just slap on whatever and assume invading towns at night, not fighting unless i have to and taking night vision will make it not even matter
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>>191521298
Gameplay depth is definitely measurable. Nethack has something like 47-51 gameplay depths.
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>>191521191
wash them
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>>191521191
does puar's mod add more depth and purpose to clothing filthiness
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>>191521191
>Does anyone play with filthy clothing on
No, nobody could be this autistic.
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Can I make new thread?
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>>191521597
No
>>191521652
New thread
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>>191521298
In POWDER you create an earth hammer by dropping it in a pit, pushing a boulder in the pit, and then remaking the pit, climbing down, and retrieving it.




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