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No More Goons edition

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>>191311091

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34

>What to Play
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu

>News
PCB 7.0.2 is out and it has nothing interesting in it.
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=124526#post124526

Play the OOOK.CZ comp you casuals
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

Rogue Effect updated to v1.0
now has a save/resume feature
http://dowhilecompiling.blogspot.com/2017/09/rogue-effect-v10-and-drakefire-chasm.html

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

>Roguelike Servers:

http://roguenex.us/ (CDDA, angband, PCB)
http://angband.live/ (Angband and variants, including PCB)
http://hardfought.org/ (Nethack and variants, including slex)
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what rogue like has nagas (male)
with a seduction attack
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first for pseudoamyposchengband
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>>191521784
This makes me incredibly uncomfortable
Also, second for nethack
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third for remove tomeshitters
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>>191522078
Couldn't beat normal adventure eh?
Try nethack it's way more fun anyway.
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>>191522078
Why did Darkgod abandon TOME2 and replace it with that clicky-dicky game that is TOME4?
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Someone should make fun of Chris in the angband forum, i want to see him sperg out.
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Fourth for ded general ded genre
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>>191522414
Why don't you be the change you want to see in the world?
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I haven't played anything since may
What did I miss and what the fuck did they do to gnolls
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>>191522296
so he could monetize it despite it being a lazy tolkien ripoff anyway
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>>191522414
he's probably back in his submarine or abandoned antarctic cabin again and won't have internet access for another month
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>>191522435
lrn to numeracacy
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>>191521439
I have maybe nine units of soap.

>>191521510
>autismshaming in /rlg/
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>>191522612
Infra Arcana has become an almost all-new game, focused on survival and GTFOing instead of killing Cthonians. Go play it.
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>>191521784
Noxico
Too bad it's shit
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>>191523018
That sounds kinda fun. I played it for 5 minutes in mid 2016 so it'd probably be fun to give it an actual shot. Did poschengband get any interesting updates/ do people still do pcb challenges?
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>>191522612
They made gnolls fun to play
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>>191522661
I don't know what the fuck darkgod was smoking to come up with the ToME lore but it definitely wasn't Tolkien

People meme about [kiss her] and the orc vaginas which were removed ages ago, but what I find even shittier about his writing is that the people who write the journal entries apparently physically write every part of their thought process. Like "Thamout... THA MOUTH... THE MOUTH!!!" on the dwarf starting dungeon
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>>191523507
weirdest thing to me was the tentacle final boss guy of eor leaving notes in the same modern language everyone uses despite hating all modern people apparently addresed to his god who predates said language and scattering them randomly on the floor.
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>>191523507
>his writing
DG doesn't do anything for tome, it's all outsourced to goons and weebs. I think the tiles were done by a furry too.
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>>191523917
>his greatest work in life is a game made by other people he can barely play
>its still better than mine
lol
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>i think the tiles were done by a furry too
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I really wish I could hate on DCSS more to fit in with you cool kids, but finding Devastator on this Wu Jian character is forcing me to have fun.
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>>191525571
NO STOP
STOP PLAYING THE DEVIL GAME
ROGUELIKES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUN
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Objective DCSS god fun tierlist

God tier:
Xom
Trog
Yred
MAHkleb
Old Nemmy

Passable tier:
Beogh
Oku
Cheri
Dithy
Hep
Qaz

Boring tier:
TOS, Ely, Zin
Gozag
Vehumet
Sif
Lug
Fed
Ru
Ash
Jiv

Actively less fun than being an athiest tier:
Wu Jian

Who's retarded idea was it to make a god of the most op items in the game tier: Pakellas
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>>191522602
I wonder if my machinations will come to fruition
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>>191525874
>zin and lugonu in boring tier
>trog in god tier
no
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>oka fun
wrong he is just as much of a boring stat-stick god as vehumet

also R.I.P. old Ieoh Jian Council with the floating weapons and shit
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>>191525874
Pakellas was fun though and not even that OP until lategame unless you were a DD
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>>191526060
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>>191526141
pakellas was only fun because rods were fun
so they removed pakellas
but instead of using this feedback to make rods more common for non-pakellas characters
they fucking removed rods
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>>191526141
>ever not picking the best race in the game
for what purpose.
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>>191526176
That's the reaction i'm going for. Chris is a lit fire he just need some obviously shitty troll to make him to ballistic. That is in theory.
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>>191526525
>Chris
chris is never going to see that post since he only has internet once a month.
He's exceeded his internet quota and will remain dormant for the rest of the time.
Meanwhile your post will be ignored and/or deleted.
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>>191526624
Well, at least one can hope. Miracles do happen from time to time don't they?
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>>191526525
chris is a meme
u got memed son
gud meme
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Is it worth it to drop a +1 rF shield (given I have another source of rF) for the warlock's mirror?
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>>191526794
if you already have rF then you're fine
more than 1 pip doesn't really matter until oofland
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>>191526070
Yes :)
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TOME4 is greatest roguelike of all times
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The Witcher 3 is greatest roguelike of all times
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tome 2.4.0-ah is better
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tome-sx has sexy high heels
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i dont get what the point of demigods is now gnolls are a thing. theyre bad at literally everything and the stats never mattered as much as being able to use gods or even being able to learn stuff quick. gnolls have good enough stats, can use all gods even trog with no issue and learn super fast
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>>191527126
well the perks like Evasion and Demonic Grasp are pretty nice and the guaranteed artifacts from killing your dad are good too
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>>191527247
wut game?
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>>191527126
Demigods have a enforced godless conduct, that's their "point" really. The apts are actually about average across the board, but it does suck not having anything you're actually good at. They also used to have that thing which protected them from stat drain but that was removed for some reason
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>>191527247
ok i laffed
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>>191527097
how about you put a boot in your mouth
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>>191527247
Yeah but the exp penalty though
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>>191527097
>>191527471
is this real? i thought the only autism amy unleashed was on nethack
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>>191529795
http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45097
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>>191522967
>first, second, third, fourth
I don't see the problem here.
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>>191531156
it was eighth though
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How do I replace DCSS commands in Linux?
Got no numpad and vi keys suck
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Daily reminder that TOME 1.4 will be the last good version.
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>>191532994
>installs linux
>can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes learning vi keys

don't lie, you're running steamOS arent you
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>>191524996
It's disgusting. The dev team is so "diverse" they need to add a white cis male to meet their quota.
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>>191533085
i agree, after pernangband became tome 2 it really went downhill
just look at >>191530336
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>>191533178
No I'm european. The positions of Y and Z are replaced.
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>>191523507
What do you expect it's not like DG pays any of them. All that money for one hungry jew whilst he does the minimum.
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>>191533343
you must edit your rc file
consult options_guide.txt in your crawl directory, specifically the section on "bindkey"
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>>191533603
Thanks. Works fine now.
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>>191536386
What is she doing with her right hand?
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>tfw to dumb to make roguelikes
But I'm getting there.
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>>191540097
Where is your tactical combat sir?
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>find the comics section of angband.oook

There are things mortal men were not meant to see.
I bet Chris actually laughs at these.
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>>191540671
Which game has the best tactical combat so I can just copy that?
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>>191541146
>implying roguelike devs are capable of feeling joy or experiencing laughter
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>>191541218
dwarf fortress
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>If you are posting on oook, please play the actual Poschengband source code. If you mod, please don't post on this forum.
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>>191541218
Probably Sil although that's really not saying much since all the enemies just flee if sneezed on and the balance is ass
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>>191542514
>u cant be passionate about unpopular things
>u cant have fun unless everyone else does
hmmm :thinkign;
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Tales of Maj'Eyal is a truly avant garde game that respects the players intellect and does not resort to easy meme humor or "be spoiled or you die lol" jokes like Nethack or DCSS have used as a crutch so many times. Every level of the game is so consistently good and progressively more and more awesome it is scary to think about. I would think that /rlg/, or at least the old /rlg/, would be much more receptive to a truly quality and daring piece of artistic gaming but I suppose I can blame it on the numbskulls that just hopped off the Reddit boat and landed in our quaint little port.

So that begs the question: Are you doing it to be contrarian because it is popular? Because the joke bombed and was never funny, I'm sorry to say. At the very least try to be creative in your shitposting because we've read all the lines a thousand times.

If you come to our threads and try to start shit, just know we will not meme with you, we will not break our proverbial bread of bants with you; we will not engage you in any fashion. On the contrary, we will treat you as a foreign threat, an invader, and we will punish you for invading our space so just stick to your containment threads and let us discuss and enjoy the game in peace.
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To all naysayers or mongoloids who got swept up in the memeing: I implore you to play a level of the game, just one (1!), and make your mind up then.
Not for you? No problem, that's fine, try again in a few weeks!
For you? Then welcome aboard, buckaroo!

I think the question I pose to anyone still reading this is this: After all this, why the hate?
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>>191543146
tangledpep is better :)
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>>191543229
this but unironically
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>>191543146
Who the fuck are you talking to?
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>>191543146
you forgot the part where you whine that anyone who plays anything other than the hardest difficulty is not a real roguelike player while simultaneously whining that the game will become unplayably hard if your favorite freexp exploit is removed
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I wonder if I should play 7.0.1 nightmare mode android rune knight just to piss off chris
on one hand I'd be playing 7.0 which is absolutely awful, on the other I'd probably give him an aneurysm.
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>>191543146
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>>191544687
>tome is one person
how do you know what the food tastes like if you've never eaten it anyway?
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>>191544920
i beat it on normal a few times but now I usually get bored and quit before getting halfway through
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>>191545027
Lazy cuck do you even collect your food stamps?
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>lazy
the problem is that the game isn't fun
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>RUNE knights cap at unskilled with the RUNE sword now
Chris!
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>>191545503
If that's the only penalty you can just play human/demigod and unlock it with the mutation.
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I'll tell you, that's actually something.
>can't put runes on rune swords
Well I mean.
I guess it makes sense.
>>191545739
Meh, honestly that's hardly a problem. I just find it weird.
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You know, you can literally edit the k_info to give yourself a weapon that does 20 K damage, armor with 20000 AC and all resistances, waltz through nightmare mode, slay the serpent and then update k_info again so that those weapons have normal stats again, then upload it to oook.

This is a joke without a punchline.
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>>191544920
>>191545278
>shitty food analogies
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I mean honestly if I wanted to actually have fun and play a good version of a bad game, I'd just play -R.

There is absolutely no reason to update the forks, considering how misguided Chris is and how horrible Vanilla is at the moment.

So I'm gonna actually go and have fun playing that other thing
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tfw keep getting cucked by ghosts on dcss
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>>191546285
I mean nightmareanon is already fucking with the files to give himself more xp and free alchemy and whatever else he wants
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>>191548162
>to give himself more xp
How would I even do that as an android
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>>191548231
you did it as a lich
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>>191548284
oh please not this shit again

anyway I can't give myself more xp as an android period
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Did anon ever run that hellcrawl tiles build I uploaded?
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>>191548340
you could totally change the edit files to give boots a base value of 10 million gold or some shit
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>>191549143
I mean, yeah. Technically.
But no, anon.

See? Regular good old excellent leather armor from the thieves quest. I got lucky.
Regular lantern. Regular rune sword.
Regular game.
And then I'm going to farm regular young dragons in the mountains around the orc cave, because I found out that's the best place to level up the rune sword after having fed it mice and undead masses.
Finding undead masses is a pain in the ass, I'll tell you. But they're the only earlygame breeder that doesn't hurt too much over level 10.
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well i mean if you're gonna edit yourself in some weird-ass artifact that activates for free alchemy you might as well do the boots thing too
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is Unexplored any good? Its on sale.
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Oh please.
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Good is subjective. Besides what are you a poorfag?
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>you failed to pronounce the incantation properly.
>it hits. it hits. it hits. *more*
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I can't wait for Chris to remove monster races as they are clearly too fun.

You should only be allowed to play snotling anything more is cheating.
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>>191549726
I found out I needed to actually edit the code to do that and in the end I didn't want the extra inventory slot also so I just gave up.
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Where's the /rlg/ Discord?
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Deep inside your ass.
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>>191550528
I just realized my steam wallet is a dollar short. Sucks
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>>191527316
poschengband and its other Z-like variants
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>stop you brute
>that was rather dishonorable
What is this exactly?
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>>191556490
your brutishness meter went up and your honor meter went down
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>>191538753
nsfw holding hands
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How do i lean around corners AND aim a gun in CataDDA?
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>>191558681
you can't
if you could shoot around corners without being in line of sight all the auto-turrets would be trivially easy
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What's your plans for the weekend /rlg/? Be anti social shut ins and play dead games that no one cares about?
>>191558681
X
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>>191560212
Play video games and pretend I don't have a project for CS due next week.
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>>191559746
Hmm, I swear I remembered being able to do this but it seems I was wrong.
Ignore>>191560212
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>>191560212
>play games
nobody in this thread does this
except the ponyfucker and the one guy who almost won powder

the rest of us just sit around watching anime and shitposting about why dcss and tome4 are bad
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>>191560212
I plan to be a social shut-in and shitpost about dead games no one cares about.
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>>191560438
I would play but I'm pretty bad at them.
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>>191560212
try to win dcss
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>>191560212
>>191560438
Actually I play games that aren't dead like Nethack & ToME, and shitpost about how they're good.
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nobody except powder guy actually posts their games though
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>>191560784
I would post, but I doubt people want to see what a failure looks like in-game.

Why don't more people post anyway? Takes a few seconds.
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>>191498616
Thanks again kind anon!
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>>191560784
no one that actually frequents rlg is good at roguelikes
the people that do have their own secret clubs on irc or discord where they post about their own games
what a surprise
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>>191560959
>Why don't more people post anyway?
because they all think
>I would post, but I doubt
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>>191560959
>>191560784
I always try to post my runs when I'm playing either nethack or tome or dcss but I've only won nethack so far and it's been a minute at that.
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>>191541218
doomrl
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Permabase or Deathmobile in CataDDa start?
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>>191561963
Permabase is possibly the most boring thing you can do.
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>>191560959
>why don't people post anyway
Because it's much easier to share my runs with the people that actually care about the game on the integrated chat instead of wasting time taking screenshots and solving the stupid captcha to post it here. What a surprise.
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>>191561963
all the useful structures in cata are vehicle-mounted anyways, plus deathmobile lets you actually roam around the map and find new shit to explore without tediously carting all your loot back home

ideally you find an RV or something to base it off of so you have enough space for all the vehicle rigs, and throw curtains on the windows so zombies can't see you from outside when you sleep in your car
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>>191562413
I mean you took the time to write out this retarded post and solve the captcha to post it so I don't really know what your point is.
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>solving the stupid captcha
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>>191561963
Deathmobile but I also like to increase the space between towns to force you to leave your starting area and to make the game feel more like Mad Max.
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>>191562632
Use legacy captcha, retard.
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>>191562632
if you're still using the picture captcha in 2k17 you deserve whatever misfortunes befall you
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>>191562632
I bought a 4chan pass.
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In IVAN I can consistently get to GC4 now quickly, but then I usually end up dying for some stupid reason (not using items to their full extent), now all of which I'll try to avoid this time.
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Are there any speed run roguelikes where you are rewarded for going fast vs going slow? POWDER claims to be but it really only applies to early game.
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>>191560212

Play Elona+ and meet my online friend (female) on Monday
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>>191564273
One Way Heroics maybe
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>>191564347
are you doing to do yuri to each other
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>>191564273
I mean in regards to actual time elapsed rather than turn count by the way.
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>>191564436
obviously necrodancer then
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>>191560212
Actually I am gonna go bow hunting tomorrow and then take my gf out the day after.
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>>191564273

Elona+ is a game where there's an obvious and very visible gap between speedrunners and players who play it casually. For example, you could be some x<100 speed stat guy who's stuck on North Tyris by 50 hours while a hihg incredible speedy (probably 400-800 speed) speedrunner would almost be finished on Act 2 by 50 hours.
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>>191564834
but is that actual proper speedrunning or is that "i used gene inheritance shit to give my level 1 character an endgame weapon and a level 999 pet in a captureball"
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>>191543146
Begs the question does not mean "asks the question" reeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Yup.
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>>191560959
I'd be singled out as "the phoneposter", who else here plays dcss on android.
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>>191565973
I guess I'll be the dude who failed a game in two screens.
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>>191562413
This. I like the attention but posting here is not worth the effort, I will just wait for it online instead.

>>191562597
Because having to do this 20 times per play session is almost as tedious as the games themselves.
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>>191566264
buy a pass goy
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>>191566083
I got on one of arelgee's old mega screencaps so i guess there's my little bit of immortality.

>>191566397
I'll pass.
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>always die because I never take the time to ensure an area is safe before delving in
I wish this curse would end
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>we've all played enough times that we don't need help
>all that's left is "check out my sweet loot", "win #500" and "oops splatted again"
There's a reason the only roguelike images in this thread are from a new player and an autist.
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Things new roguelike players do
>Holding down an arrow key to go super fast
>die to trash mob

Fun times
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>>191568347
Are there any roguelikes that don't have a run command?
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>>191568347
Whales Cata had a safe mode, I don't know if CDDA kept it, but it's a great idea other roguelikes should steal
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>>191568491
Yes.
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>bored of roguelikes after years of playing them
>good brogrammer
>decide I want to make my own
>realize everything has already been done
>chuck fantasy medieval roguelikes #1000000 that I had decided to make after a week of development
Was fun while it lasted.
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>>191570091
Post it
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>>191570091
nobody has made a good sci-fi or cyberpunk roguelike yet, you could be the first
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>>191570367
cog mind any good?
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>>191570367
I'm waiting for a good space travel roguelike with interesting random planets (dungeons) and so on. Trading/traveling could literally be a menu, I don't care, I just want this NOW.

Literally the reason I'm learning to program.
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>>191570091
Turn dcss Arena of blood dungeon sprint level into its own roguelike, that'd be fun.
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>>191571870
Yeah, I want a high-risk-high-reward as fuck roguelike. Put threat and risk control up to the maximum.
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good roguelike without hunger?
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>>191572636
Hellcrawl
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>>191572721
>Notably, this include no food, no curses, no Lair branch, no player ghosts, no item identification, no poison magic, no halflings, no centaurs, and no felids.

only no hunger here sounds cool. >:(
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>>191565129

Even if you give a fool endgame equipment and an untrained pet, he'll still fall behind people who actually knows their way around the game
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>>191564834
He's talking about play time, not in-game speed >>191564436
>>191573002
That's not even remotely an answer to his question.
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>>191572904
It's very fun.
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>>191574345
i tried it online and it seemed pretty fun.

thanks.
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>>191572904
The only bad removal from that list is halflings desu.
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>>191574861
I like curses n shit though if i'm playing stuff like that though.
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>>191574896
Curses in DCSS are horribly boring.
It's just a sticky curse and ?Remove Curse is so abundant in that game that they become irrelevant after like 4 floors.

I can think of a single instance where my game experience was made more enjoyable by adding curses and many many others where it's just an extra 3 keypresses after putting on cursed shit.
The *Drain/*Contam stuff is a lot more fun and still exists in hellmonk's fork afaik.
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>>191548061
Stairs, naga. Do you even use them?
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>>191560212
Work two night shifts and play Golden Krone Hotel on the clock. Feels good man.

Maybe fit a little DCSS into that too. I still haven't ascended with all species yet.
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Playing Gnoll Wanderers again on Akrasiac.
Name is PrismShank, join if you want to see some splatting and maybe mild success.

>>191575567
What do you do for work?
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>>191575623
>he didn't win gnwn on his first try
Only excusable if you died on D:1
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>>191575757
Hey, I'm pretty shit.
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>>191575623
work at a group home for severely developmentally disabled adults

they're all asleep most nights
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>>191574861
halflings are not especially interesting, just generically good, like +1 humans
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>>191575757
early game gnolls are super buff because of +8, that's where you have the least excuse
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>>191576192
Even if you have +8 you can still open the first door into a gnoll with a spear.
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>>191577000
but you're a gnoll with a spear, and 8 polearm skill
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>>191577086
If he's playing GnWn the chances of that are extremely low and a monster gnoll with a spear is as killy as a player gnoll with a spear and 8 polearms. At which point you're 50/50.
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>>191573002
>implying I didn’t show my POWDER score in open thread
>implying you can beat it
Fuck You for ignoring my real question
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What's the hate for r/roguelikes about here? It's the biggest central roguelike community I believe, I don't understand it.

Yes it's really repetitive, but it does have news sometimes and can link to really interesting articles about roguelikes.
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>>191578178
It was a stupid question friend.
I don't know of any roguelikes that reward fast play (realtime), there is maybe some but they've never been mentioned here.
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>>191578527
You're maybe the 2nd person to mention it in like forever.
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>>191578621
I know, I still want to know why it has ever existed, or if it's ever really existed outside a few salty people?
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chad reddit vs virgin 4chan
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>>191578527
>>191578680

I never see anyone talk about it, so I think you're making it up.
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>>191578783
Look at older post and threads (not this one or earlier in it.)
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>>191578680
this isn't /v/, in the rare event it's mentioned here it's just memes
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>>191578680
In fact, you're probably the guy who mentioned it last time.
>repetitive
>has news sometimes
You pretty much summed it up but you forgot about the people shilling their shitty roguelites as roguelikes and causing everyone to sperg out.
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>>191578889
Ah I see, thank.
>>191578919
Lol.
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>>191578886
Trust me I'm here all the time and you're the only one who has brought it up. (Presumably twice since I remember you asking about it last thread.)
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>>191579029
I wasn't here last thread.
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>>191579138
Whatever bro.
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Are there any good non goon roguelikes?
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>>191574189

It IS an answer to his question. AP gained/speed stat is one of the numerous ways to measure player progress. Sure, any heir scummer with a head above their shoulders can get to 800 speed and Act 3 faster than the most with an endgame equipment and a level 999 pet but that's like, 5%, not even 1/10 of the actual Elona+ gameplay.

A skilled player who does things real fast, knows his way around and uses efficient methods is still more rewarded in the end.
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Serious question to ToME players, do any of you actually play on roguelike mode or is it mostly adventurer?
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>>191581231
pos cheng band
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>speed running elona
>not playing comfy farming, dungeon exploring simulator
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>>191581338
His question was "is that actually proper speedrunning, or is that using the notaroguelike inheritance feature to cheat a new character?" You didn't answer that, you just said that a good player without a headstart is still better than a bad player with a head start. You don't even have to bring up speed to discuss how much playtime a player has, even if they are correlated wrt progress in Elona.

The original question was about games which reward you for having low time played, which no roguelikes do afaik.
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>>191583293
>>191583590
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>>191583669
S-shut up, I fixed it.
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Remember kids, if you see nikola just tab faster
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>>191584407
I used the numpad and not tab :^)
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adom is the only roguelike
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>>191587130
this is true
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Been away for a few months. Any interesting changes to DCSS while I've been gone? Or any other roguelike for that matter?

First for chei
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>>191587716
gnolls are pretty cool
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>>191587716
rlg died
everyone hates dcss now but they dont actually like any other roguelikes either so the thread consists entirely of page 10 anime bumps (you're welcome)
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>>191587716
After level spawning was removed. So no more OoD spawns from remaining on levels too long, and no more fighting random trash several times whenever you autotravel between branches for shit.
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>>191587767
I played them when they were forced loremasters. Are they still at -8 or whatever? I thought it was a shitty change.

>>191587810
Typical.

>>191587921
Yo what the fuck? I never would have expected that. Mummies rejoice I guess.
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>>191587981
no they are +8 in aptitude for every skill but you skill all of them at once i like to play them with gnoll wanderer
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>>191587981
No, they are actually +8 now, but they raise every single skill at the same time.
They are one of the strongest races at present because of this. Two anons have already posted wins here.

And yeah, mummies are effectively clockless, though the devs are planning on implementing some other kind of clock (though it seems likely that it won't be lasty's bezotting shit at the very least).

Other than that, IA got a new version which is completely different from every prior version and fucking difficult as shit.
PosChengband 7.0.0, 7.0.1, and 7.0.2, came out and each actually has less content then the previous one for some god-forsaken reason.
Basil dropped off a new Halls of Mist beta here.
Coolthulhu et al finally mustered up the balls to properly fork CDDA, the new fork is called cataclysmBrightNights.

I think that's pretty much it. There are your roguelikes updates for the past 3 months, give or take 1.
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>>191588073
>>191588339
Yooo, thats pretty crazy. Does that mean you're incentivized to have as little skills as possible? Like, don't learn spells to have additional exp outlets? Pretty interesting either way. Honestly, there doesn't even need to be a clock imo. It adds nothing to the game other than a false sense of urgency.

I'll have to try out new IA and based coolthulu's fork.
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>>191588621
No. You will train every single skill from XL1, even if you are a troglodyte (GnBe doesn't get punished for raising magic skills under trog).
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>>191588621
gnoll is hybrid king basicallly now
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>>191588809
Heyyy thats pretty good. I'll definitely have to check that shit out. How high do their skills get by the time you get to lair? Or like, at the end of a 3 rune? I don't even know what to expect from them.

>>191588916
>spectral weapon intensifies.bark
I feel like they were already like that before though.
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>>191589029
I had just under 7 when I entered lair and just under 16 when I won. Two skills which I found manuals for were 8/19.5 at those areas and the skills which i started off with some points in were at ~8/16.5 at those areas (I picked gnwn and had pretty spread out skills to start).
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>>191589297
Seems like they have a harder early game, but a much stronger mid/end. 7 is so very respectable for that stage though. A bookstart gnoll can probably faceroll pretty easy. Sounds great.
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Remove curse is dependent upon your charisma modifier. Good time to learn I guess.
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buy ADOM
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>>191591341
Already done so, and it's quite enjoyable.
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>>191572636
>good realtime roguelike
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How would you handle putting food in a roguelike where there is no hunger meter or danger of starvation?
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>>191593375
Imo, one way to use food is a clock. This serves as a deterrent for playing safe and constantly resting between fights, so using your turns becomes more important. Another way is to use food as a resource, for casting- but at that point you can add any other generic resource in place of food.
Poschengband's (amongst many other angband variants) implementation is almost completely useless and should be removed from the game, as it serves no meaningful purpose. There is no danger of starvation, and all it boils down to is sacrificing an inventory slot.
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Hey, cheer up. Things are going well.
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>>191581475
Mostly RL unless I'm playing a meme-class that can't win insane without scumming for good items or playing madness.
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>>191593375
Depends if you cook/find/make the food, but maybe make it give some sort of buffs/debuffs or serve as a distraction for other mobs or something similar
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>>191581475
I used it for a little while I was learning higher difficulties but it's pretty trivial to win with no deaths unless you're a really squishy combo like yeek anything.
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>>191594505
>You have evolved into a Stone of Lore.
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It's always a laugh with this guy
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Nice, acelfico shield with slaying.
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>>191595352
A level 29 char should NOT be in a dlvl 80 area. This will be changed.
Sincerely, Chris.
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>>191595858
just wait until I post this baby on oook against his holy judgement
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>>191596164
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It seems like even getting through the first level in Infra Arcana is now 90% about luck (at least) than any kind of skill. Can we have a LITTLE room for mistakes instead of a single one causing game over? Balance is all over the place now. Some enemies still have bullshit telepathy (just 2 seconds ago a reanimated corpse -which I burned, outran and then slowed down with a jammed door- not only immediately knew where to head when it entered the room even though I was behind 5 walls but also caused a whole army of deds to rush inside as well) or unchanging patrol routes so sometimes you really are fucked regardless of what you do. Even a raven can murder you in like 5 turns which makes no sense at all.
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Like all joke monsters like it, the GHB, memory moss, the quiver slot and many others, the greater hell whatever whatshisface was created to annoy the player.
I really like the ability to toggle an antitele field that maledict have. It makes things so much simpler sometimes.
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>>191596585
Jesus Christ. I'm not updating then. Last time I played was 18.2 and I remember that being really good and after a while I could consistently get down many levels.
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>>191596972
>>191596585
>madcuzbad
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FRIENDLY FIRE
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Gee.
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>>191596585
Sounds like !!FUN!!
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>>191597335
I remember dicks talking about incursion and saying that the first thing people remembered was the save or die attack against a nymph, which is by default friendly.
Maybe you shouldn't try to kill everything, spiceman. There's a chatting command.
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>>191597335
FAE'D
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>>191597562
It was hostile by default, and I thought it checked will instead of fort. What I COULD HAVE DONE was not hit it since it apparently doesn't do that thing unless the target is evil or the nymph is at critical hp, but I just didn't want to get pelted by whatever it had whenever I needed to walk that way.
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>>191597746
So you're saying that you just had to
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>>191597827
Something like that. Sleeping is so damn obnoxious with shit for Cha, which is the primary reason I'd be going hither and yon repeatedly.
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>>191597958
what combo were you playing, anyway?
And how's incursion's development nowadays? I heard it was pretty much dead.
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>>191598023
Divine Wrecking Ball, HuPr^Asherath. And it's pretty dead last I checked.
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Can someone explain me the thing behind Nethack? I can't manage to grasp it, I mean, even the classes sucks in that game, it all seems railroaded, and why tf there are modern and fantasy based classes, who made that game is retarded? Who can find anything like that funny? God I hate roguelieks
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I played Cataclysm for the first time today.
huh
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>>191598432
I'm sorry but this is the general for people playing ded gems who have lost all hope and meaning to their existence. If you do not enjoy playing roguelikes, then it means there's still hope for you.
flee, little B. flee while you can.
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>>191593375
Tangledeep actually solves this by inverting the food clock: eating gives you some kind of buff depending on the dish (+stats, regen for X turns, etc) but then you go on a cooldown before you're allowed to eat any more.

Tangledeep is not a great game so far, but I'll give the dev credit for their food system.
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>>191598432
Nethack is an old game and only shilled by grandpas wearing nostalgia goggles.
If you want a good roguelike, try buying a newer and improved one like Tales of Maj'Eyal, Tangledeep or Dungeons of Dredmor.
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>>191599198
TOME4, sure, Tangledeep and DoD, no.

TOME4, Sil, DCSS, and IVAN (my favorite currently, has been so for a long time).
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>>191598697
RIP
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>>191599112
It's a decent idea but ruined by the fact that there's no reason ever to use consumables that don't restore your HP/main resources since they all go on cooldown at the same time.
In fact I pirated tangledeep and it just feels like wasted potential. There are so many ideas that could work well in a roguelike but are implemented horribly.

>Being able to multiclass to mix and match abilities but it's trivial to change jobs so every character ends up playing the same way.
>Branching paths but it's always optimal to finish both of them.
>The item world for upgrading gear is almost always a loss of resources unless you're fighting extremely trivial enemies. It's a shame because the game actually avoid tedium quite well otherwise.
>Nethackish recipe system to get better consumables where everything is the same every game so you just need to be spoiled once.
>HP as a resource, but enemies respawn constantly so you're punished for fighting things.
At least it will look nice right?
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Is it just me or is it not really worth doing vaults in Crawl? Half the time they give like literally 2 gold and a scroll of identify
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>>191598432
I'm the guy who posted this, sometimes I come on roguelikes threads to sperg on roguelikes.

These days I'm playing DCSS, very cool game compared to the other roguelikes, I tried to play TOME but GODDAMN every single fucking item in that game have magical properties. what in the fucking world is the sense of that? Who the hell have thought that was a good idea? Also, you're pretty much railroaded with classes, at least in DCSS you can try to change your way of playing over the curse of game.
Also, what I don't like of games like these is that you have to be a jack in all of trades to win the game, you're the strongest man in the world and the most able warrior of them all? Duh, you gonna get killed by some black magic 'cause of a demon-lord-lich that sucks away your life force
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After a few months I've started playing tales of maj'eyal again. Farthest I got last time was the third orc pride, with the wyrmic leader.
Now I've started playing agian as a Sun Paladin. But I'm still pretty new to the game and how to build characters.
Does anyone have any tips for Sun Paladins? Good race combos? General build direction? I'm mostly investing in magic now and focusing on the sun magic skill trees. Trying to build my sun barrier up and get lots of passive buffs.
Or would you guys reccommend other classes for beginners trying to beat the game for the first time?
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>>191602960
sun paladin is one of the easiest classes to win, run 2handers and the crusader tree since it gives you lifesteal, more damage and one of the best aoes in the game. ogre can use both the shield and two handed trees also.
since you use weapons for damage primarily you'll want to invest in str mostly first, then magic for your healing skills. prioritise providence, bathe in light and path of the sun because they're your main status, healing and movement tools. could write more but it's getting very tl;dr.
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>>191603276
Thanks, that's enough to help me on the way I think, I'll try to figure out the rest myself.
I was doing the exact opposite, playing with a shield and putting everything in magic first. I'll try it the other way around when I die, thanks.

Third stat should be constitution i guess? any point in investing in it before I max str and mag?
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>>191602960
http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=47645
Tome autismo guides are basically a wiki in themselves, just ignore the DLC shilling.
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>>191603528
i'd go with cunning for crit rate or dex for accuracy and reduced crit damage
max str and mag first though
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>>191603675
Yes, that Ster guy seems to have written basically all TOME guides...
But i asked here since i don't really want to follow a guide, I just wanted some general pointers

>>191603805
I'll go dex then, thanks for the info
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Every game can be a roguelike if you just delete your save after you die.
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>>191606409
bruh...
does that mean that. like. .. life is like.. a roguelike?
Explains why I hate living.
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Is tangledeeps class system any good?

Don't want to pirate it to try it out.
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>>191607613
no it feels wholly linear in its progression and very boring
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Reminder that Chris literally lives in a van down by the river
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>>191608615
What does that have to do with roguelikes?
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>>191608338
That's a shame to hear, I've always been a sucker for multiclassing.
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>>191607613
>Don't want to pirate it to try it out.
If it's not worth pirating, then it's sure as fuck not worth paying for.
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You know, I don't really see the point in PCB.
Since snotling tourist has been won already, what's the memest combo that I can win for crazy e-cred on the forums
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>>191610557
to get proper ecred youd need to play a game more than 2 people play anon
i suggest angledeep :_)
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Funny thing, the only tourist wins on the ladder were by clouded.
Blarog, Android and yeek.
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>>191610660
Do you ever wonder what kind of person actually posts this shit even ironically?
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>>191610557
Combo of convincing chris to stop being a fucking retard
Relative saneman
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>>191611608
It's called play another fork.
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You know, it's starting to dawn on me that playing silly challenges so that people would say "wow that guy's really something" is not a good business strategy
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>>191593375


like in GearHead, where it can boost the characters' morale [and by extension stats], while going foodless for long periods drops it
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>>191612468
playing for fun v playing so nerd sempai san chan will notice you ugguuuu tilde ~
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>>191593375
remove it because there is no reason for it to exist. alternatively make a monster that animates food that runs at your character yelling "eat me!" or similar but since your character is apparently incapable of digestion or some shit if you get forced to eat too much you explode and die.
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hell you could even have it just exist to be examined as a tile and make some remark on why exactly your char doesnt need it for world building if your into that. or use as a currency to bribe monsters that do use it
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What do you fine young men listen to while you play your ragoolikes?
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>>191614429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEluoeMLTCI
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>>191614429
Disbelief - The Symbol of Death
The 11th Hour - Lacrima Mortis
Decapitated - Anticult, Blood Mantra, Carnival is Forever
Contaigeon - Death at the Gates of Delirium
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>>191612878
Yeah but think of the e-cred.
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>>191614429
Heavy metal, but it's the only genre I listen to really. Over a decade of listening, still loving it just as much as the first day. Currently listening to this with IVAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FUSHSbdtJY&list=PLd_aeS19C1tE_0NCU6KjnPo54t4K-E2UH
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>>191597335
You can however choose to "close eyes" or "avert eyes" against them for some active mitigation against the fun
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>>191614969
Wow, that really is tactical combat
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Downloaded latest Cata version after 10 month break. What is Bright Nights mod?
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>>191614429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw98ARXfcqk
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>>191615131
Grappling dudes is surprisingly ~fun~ as well in incursion, it forces both participants to use light weapons so if you are afraid of that dude with the +5 greataxe then you can attempt grappling and force light weapons (like unarmed strikes etc)

There is some other feats for it too like this one for ~free damage~ while holding something
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>>191616095
you know, incursion could have been really fun.
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>>191616195
he set his goals way too high to be realistic. even dcss at its peak didnt seem like it had as much good content and depth as he was gonna add to incursion
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>>191616312
looks like a pretty common problem.
At least toady has the sheer red-hot autism to keep going through the thick and thin, even if it takes him a lifetime. Which it will.
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Speaking of roguelikes with worldmaps, what does /rgl/ prefer? Those or the ones that are just a dungeon. I prefer the latter.
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>>191616195

3.5e d&d is a great source of mechanics, high spread of different stuff to fight and the guy was ambitious enough to add all the gritty details of the system as a whole (if not a bit interpreted for his game in question).

I'm still secretly hoping that someone with the ~skills to pay the bills~ realizes the potential greatness of the system and decides to polish the existing source into something that doesn't have fatal errors here and there.

And then maybe start working on something resembling the initial plan to release the blockbuster roguelike epic with overworld, multiple dungeons, NPC guilds etc any moment in 2011
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>>191616835
Worldmaps usually, different environments, clear-cut difficulty levels, diverse monsters.
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>>191616835
Dwarf Fortress: Adventure Mode, with Dark Ages II: War & Mythos mod. Haven't played in a long time, but last time I did, it was amazing.
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>>191617114
I can't even run this lol. Apparently its super CPU intensive and mine is the weakest part of my PC by far.
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>>191617437
Use a small world, my PC is shit too. Small.medium worlds are better for adventure mode anyway. (I literally don't even have 1 GB of video RAM).
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>>191616835

worldmaps all the way, even if you spend 90% of time in dungeons

favs include:

- GearHead not a roguelike, I know
- ADoM
- Hengband I did not play what it became later
- ToME2
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>>191617542
GearHead is a roguelike.
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>>191616835
Much prefer just a dungeon. DCSS with it's branches is my favorite style for sure.
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>>191614718
more like this?
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>>191617653

there's no permadeath doe
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>>191617707
That doesn't matter for the genre. PCG and permadeath aren't what makes a roguelike.
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how am I supposed to play these games when they have no graphics?
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>>191617928
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>>191617525
I'll try that later thanks. I feel like I'm now autisitc enough to play that game.

>>191617689
Yay I'm not alone.
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>>191617928
Most of them have tiles. I personally recommend PCB's. Absolutely flawless.
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>>191617690
Unfortunately no, Talking Heads has a unique sound, especially with this record since they were experimenting with African music/instruments. If you want more with the same flavor though you should just check out the rest of the album it really is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU
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>>191617928

in all seriosuness, I personally love ASCII aesthetics and never got used to tilesets [even the high quality ones]
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>>191617690
LCD Soundsystem.
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>>191616471
Man, i'm really looking forward to Ultima, it looks so fucking good.
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>Worship Ru
>Sacrifice courage
>Enter V:5
>Horr(-26)

Fugg :--D
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Is Poschengband 7.0.2 a good game?
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>>191623327
Just play PCB R
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>>191623389
but thats not good either
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>>191624201
Alright then how aboutThe Witcher 3?
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>>191624309
not a rogelike
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>>191624829
prove it
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>>191623389
Lunk?
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>>191624829
i hate these little kids reeeeeing about their berlin interpretation.

Every game can be a roguelike if it's random and hard and has permadeath. They aren't even all that important. Roguelikism is a scale
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>>191624829
I'm pretty sure there are rogues in it anon so it's pretty roguelike

>>191624913
https://github.com/floatRand/pseudoposchengbandR_release
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ROXANNE AND 2 KRAKENS BY THE ENTRANCE

THIS IS BULLSHIT
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>>191624874
no
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Soo what is Brighter Days mod in new CDDA?
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>>191624945
Please kill yourself
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>>191625221
just leave and come back when stronger. you are playing retreat fortress soup afterall
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>>191625365
A bunch of small tweaks like faster limb mending, easier bandage crafting (old recipe, with alcohol), colder weather.
Also rechargable batteries that don't really work.
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>>191625221
Just win dude.
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>>191625221
- What to we say to the fucking Shoals?
- After Depth!

Hate that branch personally
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>>191625664
I have no choice because the game ALSO spawned an ant's nest right next to the spider entrance. Those entropy weavers will rip my tits off.
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>>191625621
Thx
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are you winning, son?
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>>191625743
Easier then Shoals IMO. Put rCorr. Also you can try Elf 1- Elf 2 like last resort for exp.

Offtop - how do you do screenshots from fulscreen game? PrntScr or ShareX capture nocing in my case.
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>>191626018
Snipping Tool
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>>191625503
I want to win DCSS first so it may take a while but after that I might go
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>>191625221
ROOOOXANNE
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>>191626131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJeaN3LuziQ
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>>191625929
y-yeah dad
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>>191625929
I got Dorf Fort advenutre mode to work but its laggy so kind of halfway
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>>191600889
silver rune is pretty good imo
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are there any roguelikes where I can play a black guy in the hood?
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RIP. Rubble really screwed me over this time. I was so close to reaching the stairs but had to flee into this room, which turned out to be full of easterlings.

That said, this game is really good. I like being able to understand everything that's going on.
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>>191614429
power metal, podcasts, or gregorian chants depending on my mood

i can't concentrate on reading when listening to music that has words (in a language that I understand), so if it's a new roguelike I haven't played before and I'm reading through a lot of shit to figure stuff out it's always the last option or nothing at all
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>>191616835
one-dungeon-nothing-else is cool
procgen worldmaps are cool too

adom/tome style hardcoded/predefined world maps are not
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>>191632008
In tome I used addons to remove any need to ever visit the world map.
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>>191631705
just read phase door
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actuall tome2's worldmap is especially annoying because you frequently have to walk to different towns/dungeons
there's no way to teleport between them and you can only recall to the LAST dungeon you visited
so you have to slowly walk across the overmap while mashing your 'satisfy hunger' macro every couple of steps
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or well in tome2 the spell is named "ent's potion" not satisfy hunger
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speaking of hunger, what roguelikes actually used it well and not just something you do every so often to not die?
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Got a +10 Str -6 Slay armour... is it worth for a DDGl?
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>>191632634
rogue
nethack in earlygame but less so later on
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>>191632634
Brogue uses the food clock very effectively
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>>191632634
POWDER gives you bonuses for being full, but prevents drinking potions. It also doesn't instakill you with hunger, only gives debuffs.
DDA bionic patient starts has food->hp conversion making food an important resource. But DDA is generally bad at food, this is an exception.
DCSS vampires

>>191633042
No it doesn't. It's exactly what he said he doesn't want.
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>>191632945
It's more or less -6 enchantment, so depends on what you're carrying around currently. Also the armor's base type and enchantment
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>>191633154
It does, though. It's a major gameplay element. What I interpreted out of his post was not "games with added mechanics to hunger", but "games where hunger is an irrelevant chore" like Crawl
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>>191633289
thats what i meant yea
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>>191633178
It's a +12 chain mail. I'm wielding a normal broadaxe
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>>191633289
isn't*
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>>191632945
strength is not as good as you think it is, it doesn't nearly outpace that slaying penalty
unless you're a mage-type in which case the str will make you better at wearing armor and thus reduce your spell fail and EV penalties, and the slaying won't affect FIREBAL
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>>191633289
>It's a major gameplay element.
It isn't, though.
It only gets major if you go really slowly or the food is generated secret/locked
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>>191633368
It's probably worth it then, +str in heavy armors is great and it will partially compensate for the lost damage. Even less relevant if you're using shields
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>>191633512
>>191633709
O-ok
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>>191633686
You're either good enough at the game to not notice the food clock, or bad and haven't got very far. Either way, it's inconsistent to the experience of most people who play the game and with the way food is generated in brogue
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>>191633512
Maybe the strength by itself isn't worth it, but the +12 enchantment is. With that and a shield his defenses are stacked so high the damage penalty mostly damages turncount
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>>191633958
I starved once and won like twice, then dropped the game.
The only thing that food actually does is preventing you from resting to regen items.
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I'm going to put the like back in roguelike!
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How do I deal with stat drain and cursed items in Sil? Kinda feels like I'm just fucked.
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>>191640625
Lore Master.
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>>191641192
I guess, but it seems lame that it's basically mandatory.
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>>191640625
>How do I deal with stat drain
don't get stat drained.
>and cursed items
don't wear cursed items.
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Smoker zombies are the biggest niggers in the entirety of cataDDA. moreso that spitters or the grenade soldiers
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>>191642274
Anon, gas masks are abundant and make their smoke just a nuisance.

The worst are those electric fuckers.
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>>191642274
i have never played that game but even I know shocker brutes are way worse than that
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>>191642442
>>191643229
literally just dont get hit
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>>191644946
>literally move at the speed of light
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>>191645108
dont be a noisy fucker near them
dont keep being around them once you notice them
dont run deep into towns when you dont know if theyre around or not and you cant deal with them
dont be in a situation where they can hit you
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>>191645543
>dont be in a situation where they can hit you
So just don't play the game.
Thanks anon, now I was finally able to write my master thesis on what is a roguelike and what is not.
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>>191646368
Holy shit why are you even playing roguelike-likes?
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>>191646368
>this monster is kicking my ass
>just avoid it
>how about i uninstall instead?
this is why nu/rlg/ doesn't post wins any more, they don't get any
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>>191646851
Honestly I don't have anything against stupid deaths. Wins are better but stupid deaths let me feel good about myself
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I feel like dnethack doesn't get enough love around here. Maybe I'll start a run later tonight after I'm nice and drunk.
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>>191647091
The tournament is soon, I'm sure people will pick it up then :^)
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>>191647082
i like stupid deaths too, but ragequitting is for children
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>>191647248
games are for children too. So it is fitting, really
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>>191647247
This, but unironically.
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>>191646851
>winning an open world unwinnable sandbox game nonroguelike
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Does anyone know how to get shockbolts tiles to load on Sil? They're included in the 'xtra' folder, I just cant seem to get them activated.
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>>191647389
Just because a game has no win condition doesn't mean you can't win it.
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>>191647354
true, and so is this website

>>191647389
it's the mindset
of course cata players were always a special type of brain damaged, so maybe only they changed
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>>191647485
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>>191647367
>>191647247
>>191647091
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>>191647596
>>191647683
These are some cool meme faces, where did you find them?
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Oh, the retard shitposters are up
Which country is currently waking up or coming back from school/work?

Regardless, it's a good idea to take a break from /rlg/ for few hours. There won't be anything worth reading until they go away.
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>>191647876
Euro hours. Worse since it's Saturday night and they're drunk and alone.
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>>191647596
>>191647683
>>191647876
samefag
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>>191647876 (You)
So what's your favorite roguelike?
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>>191648182
Tales of Maj'eyal, why do you ask?
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>>191648164
t. retard shitposter
imagine creating your own false flag opposition to make yourself feel good
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>>191648282
Ah. I see you're a man of taste as well. Continue shitposting the good fight tomefriend.
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>>191648116
It's night in yurop
It's either strayans or ruskies waking up or murkans coming back home.
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>>191648802
It's the weekend. Shitposting's going to be from people up late.
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>>191646368
>being this bad
lmao at u're life sempai san
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>>191648802
I don't think aussies play roguelikes but it's probably them anyway. God I hate austalians.
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>>191649227
>im desperate for attention

heres a (you)
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rlg truly doesn't care about dcss anymore...
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>>191651723
if the devs don't care why should we?
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>>191651821
between gnolls and the ood changes it feels like dcss is picking up a bit
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So /rlg/, I'm trying to quit drinking, and gnashing my teeth over here, since it's the weekend. I need something to suck up some time. I've played the shit out of cdda, I've beaten dcss more times than I can count. Should I pick up a hack or band? I need something really in depth and time consuming. (Basically spoiler-y and bloat filled I guess) to take my mind off my cravings for the evening. Suggestions?
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>>191652037
Don't forget skill targets.
It's a lot of nice small stuff behind the scenes mostly.
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>>191652313
>spoilery and bloat filled
Poscheng or tome2/4
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>>191652313
pick up a nethack meme fork and post progress
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>>191652326
What's skill targets
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TOME is the best roguelike with the BEST lore and BEST gameplay. There is no point in playing nethack??(lol this name) or tanglederp on switch.
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>>191652589
unironically play slex so we can laugh at it here

>>191652842
but the tometards love dongledeepthroat because it has gameplay depth and tactical combat
failed falseflag
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>>191652313
IVAN
It's spoilery, has semi-deep mechanics, is crazy in a good way but also in a bad way, will waste a lot of time if you don't know what you're doing.
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>>191652354
-r or normal? I don't know the difference.

>>191652589
>>191652950
> slex
Hmm, I can give it a try. Though isn't it just impossible to anticipate bullshit? I feel like it'll just be me splatting on d:1 over and over.

>>191653598
Hmmm. That sounds promising
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>>191652313
pseudoelliposchengband 5.0.5
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>>191654792
Some reasons to try IVAN first:
>losing limbs
>replacing lost limbs with limbs made of mushrooms/iron/stone/leather/etc. given by gods
>transforming a huge chest into floating eye flesh so that you can eat it and gain long permanent telepathy then retrieve the contents

Reasons not to try IVAN first:
>stepping on a mine and having all wands chain-explode insta-killing you
>being near screaming enner beast and having all wands chain-explode insta-killing you
>having a monster bash down booby trapped door near you and having all wands chain-explode insta-killing you
>having kamikaze dwarf explode near you and having all wands chain-explode insta-killing you
>very spoily god mechanics
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>>191654792
Amy has introduced a new feature where she can implant monsters of her choosing into your game if she so chooses. I would play locally if you plan to play any slex.
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>>191655326
Ok. Downloading. Will play after a few ivan splats

>>191655790
At ut level 2. Seems to be going well so far. Smacking nagas with a bronze hammer. Haven't decided if I'm gonna consult the wiki or not yet.

>>191655918
Well I'm only using my windows computer right now and I don't have compilation tools, so I guess this will have to wait
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>>191654792
>I feel like it'll just be me splatting on d:1 over and over.
That's pretty much the point. You don't play slex to win, you play it to laugh at all the stupid things and post dumb screenshots.
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> the large cat critically bites you!
> your right arm is severed!
> you panic!
I'm guessing I'm fucked, huh?
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>>191658564
Pray to a god for a better arm or go to town to get it put back on by the priest. I like to get my arms and legs chopped off on purpose (mines and bear traps) to get better arms in games if I can.
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>>191658428
> mahou shoujo named regret
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>>191658725
Well I tried to run but the cat ate me. Guess I should have stuck to a more accurate weapon
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>>191655790
What you learn from those wand deaths is how to protect them (chest), and the God mechanics are easy to remember if you pray to them and try different ones each game. IVAN is an amazing game.

>>191657843
You don't really need the wiki, just try different things and learn from your mistakes (and don't think a death means something you were trying wasn't viable). And always remember to look at your enemies and examine them, you'll know when to run or not. And for the love of God watch the lightning wands.

I might screenshot and play IVAN later, haven't won yet, but I feel I can these days.
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>>191658973
Yep, you're learning it. But that isn't always what you want to do, dual-wielding weapons like halberds is an amazing experience when you're high-level with them. Or one inaccurate but powerful weapon and an accurate weapon in your off-hand.
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>>191659197
Oooh ok, I didn't realize you could wield one weapon in each hand. This is what I have right now on this run. Is this good?
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>>191660589
Yes, that will be good to get bast this dungeon. The the "actual" game begins. If a character can't beat this dungeon then I usually give up, or just skip it.
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>>191661067
The greater carnivorous plant that knocked me unconscious and then bit me four (4) times begs to differ, apparently.
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>>191661934
On that level find the room as quick as you can (you get a feel for it eventually) and if you were in the room when that happened, just run out when you're on low health, it's usually worth it. And wand spam if you have useful ones.
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Playing IVAN now, looks like a promising game as long as I can get some better armor (got steel legs and an angel of Loricratus, so I can carry whatever I want now). Also I'm going to try and raise my AStr so I can get one-handed halberds maybe, and other awesome things. I have wands of polymorph, so getting a ton of healing potions should be easy by the second floor of the dungeon.
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>>191597024
What the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch? I'll have you know that I graduated top of my class in dumbass tomb raiders academy and I killed a Cthonian using my bear hands once.

>>191596972
18.2 and 19.0-1 are basically completely different games. I actually do like the change, but the luck factor seems to weigh in waaaay too heavily now. Combat is best avoided now as everything's harder to kill and yield no XP reward for fighting them.

Oh also, IA dev, if you read this please take a look at how corpse bashing works as well. It's usually easier to bash down doors and metal frames than it is to smash a corpse, and in fact trying to bash a corpse after the encounter- which will probably leave you badly damaged- frequently ends with the character somehow killing himself. IMO either make it so that corpses take longer to reanimate (they take way too little time now, and you can't escape consistently either since they're in groups anyway so chances are one will rise when you finished off the last one) or make them easier to be destroyed.
Also was 50% shock resistance really that imbalanced for rogues? I feel like the rate it's at now (25%?) is a little too punishing for those of us who spent a fair bit of time in the previous versions as rogues- we already lost the ability to consistently cast Cloud Minds, we didn't get much better at combat and now our guys don't even have the luxury to take their time because they will go insane.
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>>191663660
its good to suffer
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>>191631703
Gangband
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so what is the best CDDA branch?
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New "milestone" I guess, I have a good polypile upstairs and found this shop, probably not gonna do anything with it right now though, as this level (which I'm sure to beat, full helm and meteoric steel armor now, because I can carry anything, I also ditched my belt of carrying), and the next means I can buy out the Attnam entirely, and then this shop.
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>>191664767
Mine.
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>>191665021
What's your CDDA branch anon?
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>>191663660
Adding to this... attacking Axe Corpses is now a gamble since they can 1-shot you even at full health (unless you have heavy armor probably). Unlike normal Reanimated Corpses, they cannot be 1-shotted by you via backstabbing, and shooting at point blank range is as inaccurate as shooting afar, so you're really fucked if you have no other way of engaging them. One is terrible news already, but then they usually come in groups (remember, again unlike RCs, molotovs sometimes or always fail to kill them).
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>>191665070
I removed all the source code in my branch.
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>>191665238
What did you replace it with anon?

Is the file where you keep your porn now?
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>>191665328
No, I didn't replace it with anything.
It should be pretty easy to replicate, but I can send you a patch if you like.
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>>191665489
I would like that!
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Polypile for those who don't know in IVAN, is 5 stacks of 5 items in a row, just zap it from the square next to it with your wand. This is the reason for doing it. I've used 3 wands, and I have a fourth. Gonna clear level 2 first though, then use up the rest until I get a charging scroll (none at the library in Attnam or the shop on GC2).
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>>191665220
Actually, turns out regular Reanimated Corpses cannot be killed with molotovs anymore either.
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>>191665524
Here you are, friend, the finest experience CDDA can offer:
https://mega.nz/#!By4AQDTC!P0LjrbObfb7PYbCBV8vRSYR7mV-Tay7xESvT1ih3DIM
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>>191593375
Realistically you would get hungry in hours, not days, and so it would still be important to not get hungry or to get the endure hunger intrinsic. Sleep could be real-time too. You could go to sleep in real life simultaneous with the game and not get killed in your sleep too, or do house chores but if you don’t sleep you will get exhausted physically outside the game, all roguelike turn based mechanics not exclusive to this could remain in tact too.
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>>191666501
is this pouar dda
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>>191666646
It's delet
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Level 2 cleared, 3 has a massive room which is to be avoided at all cost (until later when I can curb-stomp it), then 4. 4 is the most annoying to me simply because enemies there have for me in my bad luck, had a tendency to 1-shot me. Not today. And this is my angel, gonna get her better stuff later.
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>>191666828
Damn it let me catch up you faggot I just beat the big plant mama for the first time
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>>191666828
GC4 beat, and I accidentally gave my chest of wands to Loricratus, and he was very pleased. Fuck him. But my angel is OP as fuck for now, 1-shotting anything that traditionally would kill me. This is my wand collection now, going to sell/offer weapons before I go down though.

>>191668545
NEVER! And now you can beat her mindlessly. Pain and suffering comes next.
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>>191668545
Looks like you will catch up, because my run is over, I accidentally hit a housewife when I thought I was just exiting Attnam. Lesson: play even slower. And I thought I was playing obscenely slow, which I why I got so far this run. If I manage to survive, glory.
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>Snorg goes berserk
>camp behind bullfrog in a corridor
>he won't move past frog ally
>eventually becomes exhausted and is raped
trolls really are brainlets
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>>191669564
RIP Gaveldort. Looks like I could've actually survived, as my angel was destroying everyone, but this ghost or whatever killed me.
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>>191670020
Fucks sake.
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>>191669398
Doesn't it warn you and ask for confirmation?
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>>191670716
Yes, but I don't savescum (though I don't care if others do). It was my own fault, trying to automate tedium in the game (selling, offering, running through cleared areas getting stuff, polypiles), so I got punished for it.
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Fuck sil is hard or I'm fucking dumb.
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>>191671861
Why not both?
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>>191671912
I guess I didn't consider that. I can't get past level 2 though.
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Hmm I thought this game was supposed to be easy.
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>>191672443
It's meant to be balanced, interesting, tactical, and thematic. Not easy.
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>>191672661
I mean it's not nethack, but I'll keep at it until I win.
Or until I die of liver failure.
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>>191672443
stop playing naugrim fool
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>>191673871
Shit that was just once.
I'm going back to edaim.
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>>191674636
Play the elf race at the top of this list, I forget what it's called. But that's the easiest one. Whatever that race is, choose House of Fingolfin (???) and put your stats at 3443 or something like that, then play.
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I don't know what I expected. That said, Strength Knowledge War instead of Strength Time War was working pretty well until then.
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>>191674996
>War
Doesn't that just give like weapon profs?
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>>191675331
It has its perks later on.
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>>191675790
I guess divine power as your domain spell is pretty decent. Also the bonus feats are pretty handy.
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>tfw have come to accept the tomeshitter (1), the autismo nethackfags, the dcssqueers, the ponycumsuckingcata degenerates, and everyone in between.
Maybe it's the potions of booze talking but this really is the best general.
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>>191676051
This and Elona on /jp/ are the only reasons I'm on this site.
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>>191676051
it is pretty comfy
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>>191676609
It's slow enough that I only have to check it every couple of hours to know what's going on. Plus tongletard posting has been way down recently and that's nice.
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>>191676051
You guys are like the friends I never had.
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>>191665862
Thank you I did not know about these at all, interesting mechanism.
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Also I have a question to ponyposter

We share a disturbing amount of interests so I wanted to know if you've listened to David Bowie
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>>191677579
Yes, welcome. Works in a lot of roguelikes that have wands of polymorph.
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>>191672661
I'm not really getting that "tactical" part but I made it further.
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>>191678747
Try putting EXP into evasion until 8 or 7, then the same for melee. Get skills based on evasion, and some of the movement-based melee ones that are early. After that I forget what you branch out into, try different things I guess. That's that with the 3443 elf.
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>you unleash a water demon!
>he is grateful for his release and offers you a wish!
For what do you wish?
a good sci fi roguelike
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>>191682358
water walking boots of speed
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By the by, my Tengu found the dragon king's scales as well as a CPA. I know it's been a meme circulating around here for a while that with the proper stats you can wear that and still use shit like Conjure Ball Lightning. Has anyone here actually done that?
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>>191683194
That requires a huge amount of strength and a lot of investment into armor and casting stats.
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>>191683292
I can hit about 15 str natty, bolster it to around 23. Vehumet ofc, maybe a ring of wizardry?

However it does rape my eva pretty bad, but AC is way better than eva, right?
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>>191683429
Depends on what kind of character you want, but even with AC have some EV, and vice-versa.
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>>191683529
Alright, thanks.
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red skelly bulwark, must beat with t4 class, let's go bill
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>>191677880
Sure
who doesn't like bowie
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>>191684486
well Bill didn't give shit, but hey I'll take Coral Spray
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Newsflash for the anon who wants to play slex locally: as long as you don't enable the GM mode on the server, I can't spawn monsters to get you killed (although the game itself will spawn more than enough to get the job done, both offline and online). The option defaults to off :)
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>>191688586
no one wants to play slex
kys roastie
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>>191688586
How many people do actually play slex?
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>>191689698
One (1)
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>>191689698
I've seen three different people play at the same time yesterday, two on hardfought and one on esm.
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>>191688586
>amy will never spawn tons of friendly pony succubi around you
why live
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What is "slex"?
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A shitty meme nethack fork made by a fat foot fetishistic german dyke that has never been won by anyone except her because nobody plays her game.
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>>191690490
OHHHH, SlASH'EM Extended, I wasn't familiar with the "slex" version of the name, thank you. I think I played that once before, was interesting for the first few levels I played.
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crawl in my dungeon
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>>191693983
No.
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>Play Ivan first time
>Turn into werewolf for some reason
>Immediately 2 steps later run into first boss
Well that was easy
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>>191696113
Oh nope nevermind I broke it. It randomly tried to set to full screen when I was eating, which crashed it and now it won't open because ''cannot set video mode''.
Well that was easy
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>>191686547
tome is lame because you find the same items, like this one, basically every run.
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>>191696113
>>191696251
RIP. How did you become a werewolf? I've never even tried experimenting with that kind of stuff yet, outside having polycontrol + polymorph, and a leg for when I transform back.
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>>191696523
Probably eating a mutated Bunny corpse.
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>>191676051
People who just post games they play are fine
Complainers like "x is not a roguelike" are cancer
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>>191652620
the best thing happening to the game since the removal of high elves

You tell the game to stop leveling a skill at your specified target. Like for example you set 4 for shields
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>>191676609
pls spoiler your bogpills thanks
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>>191699472
Jesus Christ, is that in the current stable version or dev? I need to play DCSS again.
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>>191699617
Trunk.
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>>191699716
Ah, I'll wait then. Thank you. I only play offline, my internet sucks.
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>>191699838
You can download binaries of trunk, my man.
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>>191699838
Forgot about that, thank you. I'm doing that, because that was a needed feature since forever.
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Ah, interesting. Apparently a skillmaster can put enough points in nature magic to be able to cast nature healing with a 0 (zero) % failrate chance at maxint even in nightmare mode, which is something that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN without easyspell items, since even a monk of nature at maxskill would get a 5/3% failrate. Considering that it's the best skill in the game, this sounds fun. And they can get 7 blows with their maxed melee weapon, while still keeping the best possible spells (wall of stone, forest creation and staircase creation) at 0% failrate.
When you couple it with the ability to learn clear mind, that means that during every single fight you can heal yourself, but also if shit is really hitting the fan I can create a wall of stone and regen SP like crazy. Not only that, but I could invest four points into death magic and be able to cast mass genocide easily every time!
Hell, unless Chris has nerfed skillmasters to the ground in 7.0 I might have a great start for the first ever termcasted nightmare mode PCB win!
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Yep, caps at 3 % for mages and wizards.
3%!
The only other class that has a 0% failrate haling spell is the psion, that doesn't really have that big a offensive though, unless he uses the combat transformation (which encumbers spellcasting and thus makes it a nonzero spell failure chance!)

I did it again!
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>>191699472
Also if you inspect something with a break point like shield or wep you can press lowercase s to set it to that break point.
I don't really see the point of the feature myself because it takes so many button presses it just feels faster to manually turn stuff off
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>>191701374
>>191700915
you better not have fun you fucking degenerate that's how how the game is supposed to be played
t.chris
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>>191700915
>>191701374
The gameplay difference between a 5% fail healing and a 0% fail healing is not as big as one would think.

But yes, skillmaster is very, very good.
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>>191701647
>The gameplay difference between a 5% fail healing and a 0% fail healing is not as big as one would think.
I disagree!
see >>191597632 for an actual 3% failure on angelic healing [GONE WRONG] [GONE SEXUAL].
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>>191701492
Yeah the feature is kinda useless but will improve the quality of live for everyone with ocd.
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>>191701925
And if you want to go for a weapon goal from the get-go, auto-set.
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did they change how transmutations work? used to be i went chei and became an actual god. now it doesnt feel like chie is doing anything
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>>191701780
It's basically the difference between "do I have infinite !Healing" and "do I have infinite _Healing". I don't know about you, but I hardly ever run out of !Healing since the device allocation changes, even if I am using them.

It's a nice perk of course.
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Oh.

He did.
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Surprise surprise, even at level 50 with maxint it caps at 3%. Just like a wizard or a monk.
>>191702161
We're talking about more than 300 damage here though. !healing heals 300, while herbal healing heals 500, which is nearly double the amount and just enough when it comes to nightmare breaths, which even in the mid-game can easily surpass 300 damage even when resisted.
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>>191702802
Yeah, it's a nice spell. But I think you're getting too worked up about nature. Good support school, not the be-all end-all of hybrids though. That would be Psion.
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>>191703305
>That would be Psion.
Tried it, it's got a 8% failrate 430 healing spell plus a 8% failrate 475 mana storm spell, but their level 50 great psionic power is easily dispelled and they lack the *great* support spells nature has.
Clearly the most OP class considering they also get a reliable DDoor, but not what I was planning to beat nightmare mode.
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Also androids in vanilla don't get any levels from jewelry and that's fucking retarded. Have I been playing so many variants that I took that for granted?

More important, why isn't that in the mainline, for fuck's sake? Now that the lazy arts have been removed it's a pain in the ass to spawn high-end arts to get a wizmode character to level 50.
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>>191682358
more downloadable binary versions of roguelikes for Linux, because I'm shit at compiling
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what kind of spells do psion get? i dont want to level one up to find out when they could turn out boring and the game has very little info outside of that one pastebin
im interested in combat form an dwhatever it does
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>>191703594
Downloading PosChengband now, how did you learn it? I know there's a massive guidebook, but do you read it as you play, play then read, then play, or what? Also is there anything I should know about the versions?
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>>191703594
Their level 50 power is actually pretty fucking hard to dispel since monsters lose like 60+% of their spell-casting actions when you use it.
And you ARE using psionic disruption.

Might not be as good for meme mode since it lacks wall of stone, but they get everything else utility nature can do and more (the teleport tree).
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>>191703771
Just fucking install the libraries nigger how hard can it be.
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>>191607423
>procedurally generated universe
>permadeath

>NOT turn-based

Maybe not a proper roguelike, but definitely a roguelite at the very least.
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>>191703594
8% failrate on 550*
430 is still good. They kinda blow at dealing damage though unless you go tonberry combat transformation and even then I would NOT play a nonstandard vulnerability without any chance of immunity
>>191703812
Point is, mindspring is the best possible spell because it keeps you casting healing and spamming mana storms, but those things are really heavy on the SP. If you get dispelled and don't have any way to safely get back your mana ( as casting staircase and getting the fuck out of there would). And if you use psionic disruption, then you don't have mindspring and still have the usual problem of "where the hell do I get my mana from?", unless you spend ages grinding !restore mana.
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>>191704091
It's an ARPG.
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>>191703792
For a melee psion I took:
Graft Weapon (slaying buff)
Psionic Seeing (detection, telepathy, clairvoyance)
Psionic Travel (phase door, teleport, ddoor)
Combat Transformation(+blows buff)
Psionic Speed
Psionic Healing
Psionic Protection (elemental resistances, auras, 1 base immunity)
Psionic Disruption (chance based on spell level and monster level for spellcasting monsters to fail to cast spells and waste a turn, the level II version causes the serpent to fail on 66% of casts)
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>>191623006
>sacrificing courage
>ever
You deserve your inevitable splat.
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>>191704146
ARPG is a subtype of roguelite, no? Shit, Blizzard even cited Angband as a major influence on the first Diablo.
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>>191704856
Hotline Miami was inspired by 80's electronic music, but it's a video game, not a piece of electronic music.
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>>191704091
Tim Allen experiences life turn by turn why do the rest of us have to deal with real-time?
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I'm so close to my first win (3 runes) and now I'm scared to play because I don't want to experience the shame of splatting
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>>191704856
ARPG is ARPG. It has nothing in common with roguelikes other than being an RPG. It is not derived from them, it is inspired by them, and they ditched it being a roguelike early in development, and made something new.
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>>191705379
Play slowly and think about every single move before you do it, I was there before and fucked up. If you can, clear Zot for the love of God. All of it. You don't want to get a bad teleport and be in the middle of a ton of "fuck you".
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Did they increase OOD spawns in DCSS at some point? I'm constantly running into Gnolls on D1, 2 headed ogres when I'm only barely ready for 1 headed ogres, etc. They're all default speed enemies so its usually a simple matter of running away, but its happening so often its just tedious. Feels like I'm playing an elevator simulator with all the going up and down. Especially bad when its early enough I don't even have evocables or potions to use so my only option is to run. That doesn't feel like very fun gameplay
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>>191706769
They removed OoD spawns.
The dungeon is more dense now though, so you will run into dangerous monsters earlier and more often.
That said, everything you mentioned is speed 10 melee only.
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>>191704856
Some people call diablo 1 a roguelike. Diablo 2 is very different than d1, the core aspect of the game revolves around farming efficiently, killing a lot of monsters in a untactical way. Evidently, lots of people enjoy this style of play, so we have an entire genre based around this game loop.
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>>191706882
>That said, everything you mentioned is speed 10 melee only.
I said that. Running away and surviving isn't hard, its boring. I just see them, go down stairs, come back in a bit and kill them or go up other stairs to avoid them, constantly. Its just delaying the game since there's nothing interesting about avoiding them when running away is always the right answer
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>>191707254
Indeed. They should probably be made a little faster than base speed.
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>>191707254
I noticed this to and it makes me skip floors more often and therefore the floors 5 and 6 really hard.
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>>191707464
If anything that would just make starts like Berserker who guarantee you have a tool to deal with this even more overhwelmingly popular, along with early peaking gods in general.
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>>191707607
>would make berserkers more popular

I don't think so. It has always been op, and many just straight out don't play them because its too easy.
But I agree its too tedious at the moment.
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>>191707748
Berserker is just the main example of a way to get a strong god that doesn't take so long to get strong you already have 15 wands, every potion identified and multiple blink and tele scrolls. The game suffers greatly from balance issues especially with gods because in the early game your only option is to run most of the time and if you can't you just die and in the late you have so many options you only die if you stop thinking or get massively fucked up like being warped into dicks in Zot or getting teleportitis.
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are these guys serious
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>>191707994
r u cereal
can i et u
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Roguelikes are serious business.
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Beat my second 15 runer. If there was anything I would actually want the dcss devs to change, it would be the length of extended. It's way too drawn out and uneventful. But no, they will probably keep changing things that nobody asked for.
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What would you lads want to see in a poopchengband fork.
If I go ahead, I'll probably start with pseudoelli 5.0.5. Definitely planning on taking some R stuff like coffeebreak and artefact naming.
Will want to take the poison/FA/monster stat reworks from 7.0.0, with adjustment. SeeInvis can suck it though.
Probably will want to completely remove ID/proficiency/monster lore, rework curses.
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>>191708508
I did extended one single time and it was enough.
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>>191707943
which I find is good. I'd rather be strong later than early.
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>>191708508
I didn't get anything better than a regular pair of +2 boots until I had beaten Tomb, which was the 14th rune I grabbed. I used about 10 scrolls of aquirement during my game and didn't get any boots from that either. I also wasted two scrolls of aq to enter a treasure room which turned out to contain nothing but spellbooks (and none of them had any spells I didn't already know or were in any way useful to me) and a few different scolls, the most useful one being an enchant armor.
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>>191708615
I don't know what drove me to do it again, but I shouldn't have.
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>>191709254
>two scrolls of acq for a scroll of ?EA
>wasted
Sounds like a pretty good trade to me desu.
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My last aquirement gave me a staff when my entire plan was to hide behind the Heq summon and stab stuff with a spear.
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>>191708584
>What would you lads want to see in a poopchengband fork.
Nothing. PCB has stopped being fun and every variant is just ezmode.
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>>191709254
Also Cigotuvi's Embrace with Kikus
>Corpse delivery, cheap and fast right to your doorstep!
is fucking op. I ran around with about 15-20 extra ac and sh for almost no effort. You can beat anything in the game if you can reliably cast lichform, cigos embrace and stomach beetles.
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>>191709865
You can beat almost anything in the game with lichform and any high tier spell. Or statue form. Or decent skill in envokables and box of beast. The game just isn't very hard after a point in extended because it gives so much exp and good items you end up resistent or immune to everything and have a million get out of jail free cards or super nukes
One of the dumber things is being a pure melee guy of Nemelex and having like 50 decks lying around to just mindlessly spam
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So I've never played a Roguelike before and I tried out Nethack and apparently I won the game or something.
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>>191710253
>won the game at the beginning
D A M N
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how_to_win_dcss.gif
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I don't get why people are making such a big deal of Gnoll being OP when Minotaur and Deep Dwarf are still both things and vastly superior than it will ever be even when it worships Ash
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>>191710253
Hehehehe.
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>>191710253
>14 conduct win in less than 100 turns
Someone give this man a medal.
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>>191710679
>>191710381
I couldn't find any doors or anything and there was only I staircase I could go up.
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>>191710253
Wow I always knew Nethack needed no skill to win
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>>191710818
>managed to find the hidden win staircase on his first try
UNBELIEVABLE
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>>191710818
Search. Always use search. Search to wait too.
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>>191709056
I'd agree if your options while weak early were more than just ''leave the area'' and later you weren't so strong and with so many options. The mid game is the most fun part of DCSS, where you can actually deal with situations like this without running but don't have so many items/hp/spells that its trivial to do so.
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>>191709785
Okay, but any answers from people who are capable of having fun are also welcome.
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>>191711109
>people who are capable of having fun
>playing PCB
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>>191710593
Gnoll's at least on par with Centaur and Deep Dwarf, and better than Minotaur and Spriggan
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>>191711456
Nothing is on par with Deep Dwarf. Its the most tedious yet best race in the game.
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>>191710253
>playing locally
I'm sorry friend but this win doesn't count.
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>>191710253
>roguelike pros post in /rlg/
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>try to make hill or of beogh
>no priests anywhere
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CDDA makes me want to get into wood and metal working so bad. The idea of making my own tools and shit seems like so much fun. Time to get some books on the subject and then never actually do it.
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You should just check if there are any volunteer places looking for people to do that. Its how I learnt woodworking.
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What happened to make everyone suddenly hate DCSS and never play it again? You guys used to play nothing else.
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oh it's pretty simple
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>>191715818
I just had my first DCSS win. Was pretty nervous but the ending was quite easy
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>>191715818
i'm fucking glad this is a renaissance of rlg from what i can tell being back for two days
Before everyone used to hate on it and play it anyways like /v/ playing games they don't like and discussion of anything else was limited
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>>191715818
It just died down after the tournament. Fotm became cata for a bit, then ia, then horse fucker degeneracy. Not sure what we're doing now.
kinda hoping for ivan to be honest
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>>191716504
Apparently the fotm is shitposting about games no one plays like tome and dongledeepthroat.
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>>191716434
Oh it's definitely an improvement. It's great to see people playing other games. I wish people would post more screenshots though.
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>>191716592
I'm actually pretty tolerant of shitposting provided it's funny (Permutations of "Interesting tactical situations" always makes me chuckle). But "play tangledoop/no tangles sucks" is not all that amusing and is pretty close to going on my filter
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>>191716504
>kinda hoping for ivan to be honest
IVAN's kinda boring though. The playthrough is repetitive and the game still feels half-done.
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>>191716504
I hope someone can fucking win IVAN, 'cause it's not gonna be me though I can often get pretty far.

>>191716987
Seems like a complete and fair game to me. The repetition is just to try different things until you get a good run as I see it.
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>>191716987
I'm rather new to it, so the novelty hasn't worn off for me yet. If it does get stale like you say, maybe I'll dick around with slex or another meme variant and post screens.

Right now I'm playing cdda and running a stylish unarmed qt in a suit, and trying to learn as many styles as I can. Pretty fun.
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>>191717159
>Seems like a complete and fair game to me.
The point is that there's only one good weapon type, there's only one good type (whips) of gear that's worth using (gauntlets of dex + boots of agility) and there's only one stat that's more important than all the others (agility) and one strategy to win the game (slow down boss, haste self, hit boss, retreat, repeat).

There's no spells, even the new dungeon feels absolutely barebones and the whole game is bloody boring because it has 0 replay value.
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oh and of COURSE the last update to the ivan github was three months ago.
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>>191717467
Then try winning without doing those things, or whatever you want. So far no death later-game of mine has been the fault of weapon or gear choices, it's just harder to get it started. Different strokes I guess.
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>>191715818
They removed nearly every race and class I liked playing and dumbed down my fave god (Nemmylex)
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Has Cata been unfucked or do we still have to go with Coolthulu's fork?
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>>191721920
What's wrong with Cata?
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>>191721971
I think something bout how guns are absolutely useless
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>>191521652
Could you recommend me some roguelikes I can play at work and nobody would notice much?

Also, are there any new roguelikes that are good?
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>>191722216
any ascii roguelike

tangledeep is new and the dumb animeposter's roguelike of choice
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>>191722628
its also not good.
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why is every roguelike other than brogue so ugly compared to brogue
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>>191723801
But Cogmind and Qud are pretty.
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>>191723801
Forays is prettier ... not so flashy
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>>191521652
whats a funshotgun build for DoomRL?
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>>191723626
just like anime

goteem
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>>191724101
You delete that right fucking now, you piece of shit.
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alright, ive been working on compiling nhfourk in windows for 2 days now. followed every version of the available instructions and used every version of the source code, constant errors at the end of the perl compile and no game binaries get made.

Can someone please please just upload their already compiled version for me? or at least tell me the magical trick to getting this to work.
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>>191724371
He's right. Anime is shit.
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Is Bright Nights good or should I stick with Dark Days?
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>>191723854
no

>>191724012
mayhaps
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Okay, I have a hellcrawl DEFE going on the berotato robin, anyone mind dropping by to tell me what to do? I have a bunch of spells and I don't know if I should invest in summoning
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>>191725619
>hellcrawl
moar like removel crawl
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>>191722082
Bright Night fixes that? 'Cause I found that to be annoying when trying to play super realistically or like myself (like any sane person, you'd use a fucking gun in an apocalypse like that).
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>>191725783
Hellcrawl is a fairly compelling argument that the problem with the removal meme is that they're doing it half heartedly
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I am playing IA version 19.1 for the first time and it seems very dfferent from the last version i tried, can I get some pro-tips on the changes? A few good character builds would be nice too.
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>>191726525
protip numba 1: dont play that version its fucking trash
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>>191714296
>books
Just watch geeks on youtube do this shit
There's this PrimitiveTechnology dude who doesn't talk and describes his shit well through captions and he shows how to build a basic furnace (iron-capable) from scratch and how to make a charcoal kiln from mud and wood
Cody's Lab has a good video on gunpowder from piss and charcoal
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>>191716987
>those stats
>only kill the frog
u wot
My winners had like half that
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>>191721920
Why would you want to go back to KDDA, though?
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>>191711714
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>>191726613
>protip numba 1: dont play that version its fucking trash
Seriously? What is wrong with it?
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>>191725619
So, it's currently at D:11 being chased by death yaks, good luck to whoever takes it up
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>>191721920
>>191725979
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>>191725979
Partially
The fork that is, not the mod

Nowadays guns are usable even in DDA, as long as you only use them at short range. Sniping is only possible in BN.
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>>191728682
Is the fork the core content package that comes in the game with the launcher?
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>>191727568
Its legit too hardcore to be fun
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>>191729813
Which version should I play?
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>>191728879
If it doesn't have its own .exe separate from the DDA one, then no.
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I want to play tome with interesting characters and species.

What version and addons I should play?
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>>191730912
Any version fits that. Oddysey of Summoner.
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>>191729813
What makes it too hardcore in comparisson with previous versions?
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FUUUCK MUH BUCKLER
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>>191732262
Bodies ridiculously hard to kill, you will likely kill yourself trying and if you don't they'll get back up before being broken.
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>>191733482
>playing an elf
you had it coming
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>>191733739
>>191733739
I don't destroy them, i wait for them to get up and kill them.

What really pissed me off was the spirit leech which permanently drains your spirit, making occultist useless.
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>>191733482
>elflicker
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>>191733482
>ouch!
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Reminder that playing roguelikes with a mouse is the same as having to breathe manually through your mouth.
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biskump saving /rlg/ again. What would we do without him?
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Is there any other roguelike that is inspired by lovecraft lore, other than infra arcana?
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>>191741120
What qualifies as Lovecraftian in the public consciousness these days is a pretty broad range of things.
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>>191741697
Give me an example then...
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Is there a RL like DCSS but based with guns and shit? i wanna try something like DoomRL but with scavenging/hunger maybe classes and cursed shit
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>>191741952
This is pretty Lovecraftian.

>WARNER BROS.
>LIONS GATE
>Shot of atlantis, on its walls; Egyptian Hyeroglyphics that show Cthulu
>INNSMOUTH HOTEL, there are thugs who are conceald in very heavy clothing
>Large, hooded thug pulls down his hood to reveal that he is a giant CGI shark man with reptile eyes
>Military troops are shooting cgi starfish monsters on the coastline, cops and swat are trying to take out fish people, stronk womyn is beating up green-frog-like-hybrids
>That weird slomo bwuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- and an underwater explosion sound as a tomb is being destroyed
>Submarine is approaching a huge crevace made in the tomb, as tentacles comes out to that psudeo slo-mo st-st-st-st-studder stop, grabbing the sub.
>all leads previously shown in the movie is now stopping whatever their doing as looking at the camera,
>Ear shattering fart noise as Cthulu rises out of the water
>Donald Trump is ebil, him and his frog minions have the NecroCon (shortened for ease of digestion), trying to ctrulu cthulu
>Cthulu roars into the camera for a full 10 seconds, glass shattering and all
>Drumpf hair
>As Cthulu is about to smash the camera
>SUMMER 2018 SEE IN IMAX 3D
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>>191742657
Your post gave me cancer.

I meant an example of a roguelike with lovecraftian inspiration that is not infra arcana.
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Can someone upload Cogmind beta 2.2 please?
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>>191743412
Get it yourself, Ben.
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>>191741957
scavenging hunger and classes are all in cdda
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>>191743465
Hey Ster
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>>191743073
(s)Cthangband, but it's terrible.
>>191743465
>>191743662
Kill yourselves.
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>>191743931
>(s)Cthangband, but it's terrible.
Daam, any other suggestion?
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>>191743662
>>191743465
>>191743412
>>>/out/
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>>191744138
That's the only one I know of other than IA.
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>>191744138
Tales of Maj'Eyal's expansion, Embers of Rage, draws heavily from Lovecraftian themes.
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>the absolute state of /rlg/ is just shitposting, recycled copypasta and outsider drama
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>>191744585
Not really. It does lovecraft in the same way most do, ie the enemies are ugly tentacle things. Not really what Lovecraft was about. And not even relevant to most of its campaign; the machinations of derpy the dead priest happen in the background and then you go through like 1 dungeon and stab him in the face. There's also no mystery unlike Lovecraft as we know who his god is, how fallible it is, what he is, how his magic works and even his motivations since he for some reason leaves notes addressed to his god in a language his god predates in locations it can't reach.
''LOL TENTACLES XD'' aside its nothing like lovecraft.
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>>191744138
Darkest Dungeon
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>>191745376
not a roguelike
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>>191745505 (You)
>Dungeons are procedurally generated
>Grid based
>Turn based
>Your characters permadie
>Heavily RNG based like all good roguelikes
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>>191745857
>not top-down
>control more than one character
Now kill yourself
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>>191745857
you are a faggot
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>>191745857
PCG is not needed to be a roguelike, it's not turn-based in the roguelike sense, it's not grid-based where your character moves one entire cell at a time, permadeath isn't needed to be a roguelike, and the RNG also doesn't matter.
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>>191746914
>permadeath isn't needed to be a roguelike
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>>191746914
Oh I forgot, movement and battle are separated too.
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>>191747097
No, it isn't. Permadeath is a tradition of roguelikes, but you can have them without permadeath too, or with low-punishment death, such as Elona. The definition of roguelikes isn't fuzzy or anything, it's not hard to understand.
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>>191746914
>permadeath isn't needed to be a roguelike
poopoo peepee chicken tendies
>>191747263
>but you can have them without permadeath too, or with low-punishment death
poopoo peepee chicken tendies
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>>191745857
>modal gameplay
>no horsecock futa
>no daddy cummies in rumbly tumbly
Doesn't sound like much of a roguelike to me.
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>>191747386
It isn't needed, it can be had, and is enjoyed by many roguelike players.
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>>191747501
Where did /rlg/'s real autism go? The guy who broke nethack, the DCSS MuMo winners, even the tome madness and PCB nightmare anons? Now we just have shitters that question the notion of permadeath and argue with blatant baits, and mod non-roguelike games to include their shit tier fetishes.
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>>191748781
waiting in the wings for Shiva to dance and destroy the world that it may be remade
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>>191748781
I am not baiting, I question it because the other mechanics of roguelikes would not be changed due to not having permadeath, and the core mechanics of the genre are what define it.
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>>191749120
permadeath is a core mechanic you scrub
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>>191750547
I don't understand how it is, as even if the original Rogue or games that came from it had save files, and checkpoints, they would've still been called roguelikes, because of the core mechanics of the game. It's why I say PCG and permadeath don't matter, they're just used really often in the overwhelming majority of classic roguelikes.
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>>191751202
goo goo ga ga poo poo pee pee
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>>191745857

not a roguelike
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i can't believe we had to resort to bait this low quality to get 750 posts
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>>191751740
I could ask you to post your win and your response would serve as an explanation for why low quality bait was the only thing that fueled the thread.
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anyone try out buriedborne on mobile?
actually kind of fun

any other mobile roguelikes that you are currently playing right now?
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>>191753002
why tangledeep of course :))))
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i hate the keyboard graphics it makes my brain hurt
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forgot to attach my pic
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>>191726287
outside of the irc meme monsters the majority of hellcrawl's changes will eventually get merged into mainline, playing hellcrawl is like playing a wacky 0.26 promod
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>>191754357
but the meme monsters are the best part
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>>191754773
if they do get merged, it will be with different names and "flavor", once dpeg figures out which dead culture to borrow from next
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The only thing worse than the tangledeep/biskup/not-a-roguelike shitposters is the faggots (newfaggots) that cry about it and contribute absolutely nothing to the thread.
These are the kind of people the play cogmind unironically.
See >>191744940
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>>191755332
when was the last time biskup guy shitposted? he mostly bumps threads now
agreed that pretentious faggots need to leave though
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biskuped.com
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You died! Death in Tales of Maj'Eyal is usually permanent, but you may find ways to resurrect yourself.
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>>191759205
Worst tombstone screen in any roguelike right there my boyo.
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>>191646368
>So just don't play the game.
Just fucking retreat and wait for the night to come. Grab a gun and sneak towards the shocker. He glows in the dark so you can take a shot from 10-15 tiles. He can't see you in the dark, so he'll go to the place from where you shot from and just stand there. So you relocate and take another shot. Repeat until he is dead.
How dumb a man can be?
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page 10 once again
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>>191763676
page 10 is where we belong
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once i reach page 10 i'll be free of chris
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At least we don't have waifus r-right guys?
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Doin pretty good, but I don't know if I can take on this hulk. There's no back door, so I don't know if I should wait till night, or just come out v29 blazing (I feel like that's kind cheating though and want to avoid it if possible)
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>14 posts away from the bump limit
>dead as the nethack fanbase in here
Will the new thread survive the night?
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>>191770694
I was gonna post a bunch of cata shit but nothing noteworthy is happening right now. Just repairing my car and then gonna drive around till I find another lab to raid.
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>>191724645
??

anyone have any insight?
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>>191732262
Off the top of my head:
Combat doesn't give XP anymore, spotting monsters do.
Everything is harder to kill and can kill you easier.
Shock gained (at least for rogues) is 2x faster.
Spells got weaker because they come in levels now; even Azathoth's Wrath sucks dick when cast from a scroll.
Loud levers, frequently surrounded by enemies, have to be pulled in order to reach the down stairs sometimes.

I was able to reach the spooky mummy tomb in 18.2 more or less consistently, even as rogue. Now I sometimes can't pass level 1, literally because there's nothing I can do against 2 groups of Reanimated Corpses walking around the stairs down.

On my most recent run (just ended) I died out of insanity, because one level above the last one I was in I had to face a horde of axe corpses, a horde of Deep Ones and a group of oozes. There was a lever I had to pull in the middle (to reach the stairs, this mechanic fucking sucks did I mention that?). I tried sneaking, it didn't work (even though I had taken Imperceptible), which made everyone converge on me. The only way I could do anything was to abuse Rod of CM and the 8 or so potions of invis I had so that I could lure them to a corridor and drop all my dynamites and molotovs on them, which made my insanity shoot through the roof and then I died soon after reaching the next level because some spooky monster gave me shock. Oh, and melee wasn't an option, because another similar retarded encounter with extremely large groups of spookies gave me agoraphobia and claustrophobia. Drink a potion of fortitude? Sure, if you manage to hit the like 1% drop chance it has.
At one point the game simply becomes unwinnable no matter what you do.
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>>191724645
>>191771819
>windows
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>>191772254
linux fedora tipping isn't a helpful insight, but thanks anyways.
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I've gotten exponentially further on this run than I ever have before. I've got literally everything going for me. I think this might be my first rougelike win.
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>>191772476
you are on the best rougelike floor, just read immo
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>>191772805
>best
>Not 8 rare, 2 randboss 6 unique after you boop a white monster so you can't go upstairs
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>>191773603
that's more of a good roguelike floor
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>>191771819
Does it actually have windows-specific build instructions? Have you tried asking the #nethack4 irc on freenode?

If you have no luck, I'll have a look at cross compiling a binary for you when I get home.
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>>191774759
where
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>>191774759
>this is what happens when I let other people make the thread




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