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Welcome to the Sonic the Hedgehog General. Share art and music, discuss new developments, ROM hacks, speedrunning, comics, and anything Sonic related!

/sthg/ #1158 - Radical Edition

>Sonic News<
Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces have released Xbox One, PS4, Nintendo Switch & PC.

Sonic Adventure 2 is Now Backwards Compatible on Xbox One
https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/936278917299699712

Sonic Runners Adventure - Available Now on the App Store & Google Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u5_3hCz7j4 [Embed]

>General Interest Links<
General Link Compilation
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK
Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/w88ZRNzi

/sthg/'s Refurbished Drawfag Booru
http://sthg.booru.org/

Bump and Sage Merch
https://www.redbubble.com/people/rikdraws/collections/781747-bump-and-sage

Event/Video Streaming Site
https://cytu be/r/sthg

/sthg/ Level Development Kit 4.0
https://mega.nz/#!WV8ThDbL!DsLYUlzdBiNX3CaJyJU-oeU8UNxdYPttzQ9LUJA7G7g

Clover Heights Zone (V2) by GHPAnon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpNDlDMkg2RnpnTTQ/view?usp=sharing

DevKit Character Controller Feedback Sheet
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yg4kwxlaVrxnoc6Vqo7cfFAPt7CFAg4DTYXeD03W2jI/edit

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:
https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom

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>>201672815
>Sees OP image
That better fucking animate
>.gif
And all was well in the thread.
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Y'all ever sit in your truck
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Does anyone have that picture of Knuckles and all his relatives from the comics with all of them labeled Girl Knuckles, Hippie Knuckles, etc, with Knux himself labeled as Red Sonic please?
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Happy Friday. Reminder to play the new build. The sooner I get some feedback on the new Input Slerp system, the sooner I can tweak it. The sooner I get that done the sooner I can begin the process of actually putting the actual, for reals, Dev Kit pieced together!
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When will the normies get their own Tails meme like sanic and ugandan knuckles?
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>>201673386
Tails is a meme.
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>>201673282
Played a little bit of it earlier. The turns are so much smoother now, so thanks on that! Also, what happened to Sally's ring blades?
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>>201673282
It is really hard to make it through the loops, is that intentional?
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It's been a while since I did one of these, that Shadow alternative outfit made me giggle.

>>201673386
Tails gets a parody and it just happens to be an artistic masterpiece, how will other characters ever recover?
TGT is unironically a masterpiece.
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Shadaze~
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>>201673990
But Silver can run fast too :(
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Listen up, Pencil Necks! As the quickest draw ever to wield a sketch pad, Wild Woody's going to write-off a bunch of bad guys on his way to putting together the shattered pieces of a magic relic! To get himself out of a jam, Wild Woody can sketch-up things like bombs, mermaids, cyclones and ghosts! ...or just rub out enemies with his big eraser butt! Get the point? Includes amazing 3D rendered graphics and 3D bonus rounds!
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Requested Sonichu edit - based on page 7 of issue 3
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>>201673561
As far as I can tell, nothing happened to them. They're perfectly fine on my end. Could you please share a screenshot of what it looks like on your end?

>>201673573
It should be a little bit challenging since the speed you get as a reward for making it through the loop is pretty substantial. What specifically are you struggling with? What's your approach to going through loops?
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>>201674290
His character still hasn't recovered since 06. People tend to forget he's just as fast as Sonic and Shadow.
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>>201675230
Nobody played Rivals. They didn't "forget." They never learned in the first place.
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TGT edit - based on Pacman's backstory in chapter 5
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What would being friends with Rouge be like? Let's say best friends.
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>>201674937
this is perfect
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>>201675307
What fucking plebs, Rivals even has the Iizuka seal of approval while 06 didn't even happen.
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>>201675356
You'd have to put up with her ranting about work, that cute hedgehog or echidna, and she'd leave out her makeup all over the place if you're roommates. And she will never put out even if drunk because "you're a good friend but I don't see you like that"
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>>201675356
Stealing gems and sex just for fun.
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>>201673990
>Boyfriend's too slow to race
kek

Good shit as usual, BCA
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>>201675356
>Wanna do it?
>Look for gems I mean
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>>201675356
best friends with benefits
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>>201675356
She'd ask you to look after Club Rouge while she goes hunting for gems or working for GUN.
Then never actually repay you.
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>>201675356
Just think about the almost lesbian relation of her with Topaz in Sonic X.
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>>201675772
>>201675862
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>>201676583
That shit was great.
I wish they reintroduced her as a GUN agent in the games or at least have someone have that same dynamic with her.
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>>201677095
why is rouge so fucking ugly
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>>201676583
>Shadman's comic
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>>201677510
You are ugly.
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How would you feel if Knuxamy or Shadamy became canon over Sonamy?
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>>201677542
that comic was by Spazkid
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>>201677903
id be very annoyed if beta "niceguy" shadow became canon

like he goes full /r9k/ cause rouge only goes for a musclehead chad and then settles for a girl who got friendzoned by another chad
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>>201678191
Kek, putting it ike that it is hilarious.
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>>201678191
Putting it that way makes me want Shadamy to be canon
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>>201679186
It's not?
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Where does Ristar fit into the Sonic canon?
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>>201679634
Where does Sonic fit into the Sonic canon?
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>>201679186
>>201678664
t. infinite
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>>201679670
Where does canon fit into the Sonic canon?
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Pink rat would only settle for Shadow if Sonic died or he got with another girl. Neither scenario seems likely.
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Ey friends
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>>201679895
Or if she never got glasses & thinks it's Sonic
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>>201679895
Nah, pink rat would choose her human roommate, Anon.
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Shadow would never want to be with a girl as annoying as amy anyway
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>>201679895
>if Sonic got with another girl
>if
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>>201680059
True, that's one of many things he and Sonic have in common.
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Shadow x Sticks
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>>201680228
Worst
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>>201677510
Careful now.
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https://youtu.be/cq6jsp84PTs
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>>201674996
Roll down a hill, uncurl run through A loop
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>>201680397
>Julie-Su

someone post the stupid knuckles family tree, i need to know who this be
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Sonichu edit - based on adverts for the fake video game "Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles" that appears at the end of several issues of Sonichu.

Feel free to suggest more autism for me to churn out.
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Utopia is UGLY!
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>Madonna was meant to have a relationship with Sonic
>died
>Tiara Boobowski was meant to have a relationship with Sonic
>died
>Elise was meant to have a relationship with Sonic
>story never happened
Why do people want Sonic to be in a ship again? everything his dick touches either dies or gets erased from hist...oh I get it now
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>>201680589
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>>201680696
Sonic can't work in 3D.
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>>201680684
>Adult Chronicles
wew
Nice pic though
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>>201680834
That's not the one, I mean the other one
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>>201681005
Sonic's weird proportions are why they changed his look in Sonic Adventure.
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>>201680814
Maybe that's the reason SEGA doesn't let him get with Amy. She'll probably get killed off .
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>>201680814
>everything his dick touches either dies or gets erased from history
wtf i ship sonamy now
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>>201680814
Not canon. I'm serious.
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>>201680228
Have a better ship
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>>201681187
Don't bully Amy like that
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>>201681414
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>>201681392
GET A LOAD OF THIS CANON
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>>201681654
That's more like it.
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>>201681605
Come on anon
We know who she really loves..
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>>201681584
At least she'd die happy.
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>>201681654
>DX
Not cannon.
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>>201680589
I think this is the most accurate version. All the others I found had blank spaces for readers to write the names in.
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>>201682105
it is actually since it's the version that keeps getting ported to new systems.
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>>201682170
>Random "cool" names
>"Pun" names that sound half-Kryptonian, half-Dixie
>Human names
>Random fantasy names
>Mari-Su
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>>201682247
Lol yeah, as DLC to the actual game
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>>201682680
The name "Prahb-Jo" on this family tree is also a mistake. It's actually supposed to be Kayla-La
http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Kayla-La
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>>201682998
The DLC only adds the bonus features. The core is still DX, I seriously hope none of you fell for Sega's jewish trickery.
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>>201683172
After reading the article I see she's kinda important for DEEPEST LORE, but I bet only Penders would notice or care about the mistake. Hell, you could probably sneak "Lynda-Lu" on the chart and nobody would notice, even though it's a name that I came up with about a minute ago as a Lynyrd Skynrd reference.
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Any recommended episodes from S1 of Sonic X that I should watch?
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Making pretty decent progress with Bump in Sonic Forces, a great use of a friday night.
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>>201683714
you sir, are a gentleman and a friend.

Looking good so far
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>>201683172
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>>201683656
Episode 20, I suppose

>>201683714
Nice!
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>>201683830
Literally the episode I was thinking about, thanks.
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>>201683656
The first two are good. The baseball one is fun. There's one episode about a cripple girl which people like. There's one episode where everyone goes on a cruise and Sonic whines the whole time which is another good one.
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How would you feel if the Mania dimension turned out to be the same dimension where Sonic X took place?
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>>201683656
Which episode was the baseball one? I don't know if it's season 1 but that's like the only episode of Sonic X I remember.
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>>201683656
Baseball
Cruise ship
raid on Eggman's base
Sonic and the wheelchair girl
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>>201683656
20, cruise ship episode
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>>201683656
Episode 10, 14 and 20. The baseball, wheelchair, and cruise episodes.
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>>201684018
Least canon thing I've read all day.
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Reminder that from now on no villain will get to upstage Eggman and that's a good thing.
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>a number of Sonic fans to some degree experience a form of autism
How will Sonic fans ever recover after Our Lord and Savior, the true creator and father of Knuckles the Echidna, and the savior of the Sonic series, Ken Penders, expressed such strong opinions towards us mere mortals?
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>>201684803
Does Penders lurk here?
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>>201684345
>and that's a good thing.
But that's wrong.
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>>201684978
Of course not. Why would I lurk on /sthg/?
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>>201684803
>a number of Sonic fans to some degree experience a form of autism
understatement of the century
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>>201684803
This is honestly the only post I've seen of him where he isn't a complete asshole.
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>>201684803
>a number of
That number is 100%, for those of you wondering.
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None of us in here has autism right? Because it would be pretty uncomfortable to know everyone in this general aren't normalfags and chads. Sonic the Hedgehog is supposed to be fast, not slow. It isn't hip.
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>>201686261
I don't have autism, just a light and vibration sensitivity and sometimes I don't undertand social cues.
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>>201674165
An unnecessary catchphrase, how delightful.
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>>201686438
So... autism.
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>>201686261
I do but I hide it well, I practice speaking and joking around so I can keep "friends" and I groom myself well enough to get compliments and even asked out occasionally

my autism gives me my shadow the hedgehog edge so can I just keep friends around to say I have them while I focus on hobbys
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>>201686261
I most likely don't, but I overthink it sometimes and in the end it feels like I don't have it.
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>>201686521
ah is catchphrase the new reddit meme?
Ill be sure to use this thanks anon
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I feel like Mania that made me realize that Sonic Retro was terrible. I originally thought that they wanted to go back to the classics to improve the future games, but no they only seem to LIKE the classics.

It is weird because I think I always felt like these games could have been better because people kept complaining about them, and this is how I should think. But now that Mania's out I am realizing that Sonic Retro is nearly as bad as all those people they mocked and humilated. I mean I am kind of shocked that rather than want the series to grow, they actively welcome stagnation.
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>>201686662
That was the joke, yes.
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>>201687121
>reddit meme
Hey Spacepanther
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>>201687373
>they only seem to LIKE the classics.
What about their name and attitude made this not obvious to you beforehand?
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>>201687567
>unnecessary catchphrase

how delightful
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>>201687373
>They only like the only good games in the series
Stop crying, faggot.

Seriously tho, who cares what they think? I personally enjoy this series in all forms & I know this series will always try to appeal to more than one fan. So if some autists only care about one part of the franchise, it's not something worth caring about. Just enjoy what you like, anon.
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>>201673282
Nice demo! However, I do have some problems with it.

Namely, the spindash and loop-de-loops.

It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to go through the loops in the grassy fields.

I don't know why, but whether you're at top speed or not, you either:

A. can't make it up all the way

B. Make it to the middle and fall

And that's just with Sonic! Silver is Guantanamo Bay-level torture to play.

The Spindash is woefully underpowered and a bit bugged.

Normally, the spindash is a way to get quick speed, but here...

It's the Sonic Forces of Spindashing. disappointing.

The charge up needs more flair to really show the player that it gets more and more powerful as the button his held down.

The broken part comes in whenever I press the spindash as Sonic and he turns around behind him and repositions the camera.

It's annoying as fuck.

Fix these and the game'll be a ton better.
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Just gonna leave this canon ship here, hope nothing happens to it.
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>>201687689
>everything I don't like is an unnecessary catchphrase
How delightful.
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>>201687373
There isn't a good place to discuss Sonic. Even /sthg/ sucks but we have our moments and I feel like the anonymity helps this place from turning into a complete circlejerk
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>>201687935
>unnecessary catchphrase
how delightful
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>>201687940
It did until Discord became the place where all the good anons went.
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>>201688118
>planetary
Intergalactic
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Speed Battle Pros & Con's (1/2)

Sonk T. Hedgeheg
+Literally 10/10 speed
+Varied item list
+Above average acceleration
+Has Forces model, but Gens era fur color
+Running style isn't jank
+One Icy Boi

-Has 2nd worst Strength stat
-Well rounded, but master of none
-Power Sneakers
-will stop to refasten his buckle if he gets slapped

Cl-ass-ic Sonk
+9/10 speed boi vroom vroom
+Average Acceleration
+Invincibility
+Spin Dash replaces slide kick
+Powerful move list
+moto bug is cute af

-Is Classic
-srsly fuck you Iizuka
-Doesn't BWOOP when he jumps
-no peel out
-running style looks kinda goofy

Robot Sonk
+Spent 70% of budget on his model
+Copycat ability. Steal your rivals boost item in first place!
+Electro Boost
+Great overall stats

-Electro Boost has length of a bottle rocket
-Doesn't have a spin effect when jumping
-Super Rare quality. Good luck getting cards, asshole

Fuck U ands Ur Friends
+One Fast Boi
+Excellent acceleration
+Storm Cloud is hard to see and dodge

-Will stop to think about maria for 10 years when smacked
-Easily his worst running style since 06
-Super Rare quality. Unless you bought the team dark pack like a bitch
-Power Sneakers
-He can't decide if he wants to run or fly when hitting a dash pad
-Lightning nerfed to hell

Pink Super Fan
+GAS GAS GAS
+Has the dangerous ice boost
+and ice mine
+Stronk as fuck why isn't she power type Sega you fucking cowards
+Amy mains forced to pick something less cancerous in upper tier play

-average acceleration due to that god awful dress
-what the hot mess of fresh fuck is wrong with her running?
-is now low tier due to lightning getting fucking nerfed

AIIIEEE SONIC HELP ME
+All around great speed
+Wind Boost will stop opponents for 300 years
+Ditto wind mine
+moto bug steals yo girl and yo item


-Average Strength
-low quality hold the fuck up pose
-doesn't fly unless boosting or using a dash pad
-the game loves to give you tails cards all day
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>>201688121
>good anons went
Pls, that place is deader than the comics.
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>>201687890
Anon speaks the truth, the only true ship is no ship.
Why is Sonic hugging the air though?
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>>201688172
>unnecessary catchphrase
how delightful
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>>201688238
>deader than the comics.
Literally not possible
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>>201688263
Are you okay, anon?
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>>201688439
>unnecessary catchphrase
how delightful
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Speed Battle Pros & Con's (part 2/2)

Knuck Knuck Its Knockles
+Holy shit that strength
+pretty fast since he's red sonic
+access to both power mines and invincibility
+Master Emerald Preservation Mode

-Lumber Legs
-Meaty Fists Naruto Run™
-barely anyone uses him
-voted most likely to steal 1st Place from you

Wind God The Bee
+All wind items
+Will always reach max speed before you
+Will leave you in the dust
+Rings for days
+traps niggas for 300 years
+sorry did you WANT those rings?

-Not really seen like, ever
-Average strength

Bisexual Ghetto Man
+bitches n money
+first time playable since Heroes
+Kool-aid man's his way to victory
+Belly Slide replaces slide kick

-Same stats as Knucko
-Rare quality
-I SWING MY ARMS BACK N FORTH

Homosexual Ninja
+All around great stats
+No real weakness
+Illusion Boost looks pretty cool
+Typhoon that wiped out the Mongolians

-ILLUSION MINES ARE DOGSHIT
-a weeb
-rare quality
-first time playable since Heroes

Blaze's Sidekick
+Same stats as the ninja
+Wind attack and wind mine
+Illusion Boost looks gnarly
+Common quality

-Copy Pasted Boi
-Doesn't fly unless dashing or boosting
-holds arms out like a plane

Edgehog's self-proclaimed Waifu
+7/7/7 stats
+Unstoppable Juggernaut
+Powerful moveset
+Easily Upgradable
+Body slide replaces slide kick

-Literally no downside

Fap-Bait The Rogue
+Headbutts EVERYTHING
+BIG STONKIN stats
+ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM
+Model looks pretty damn good
+Unique and absurdly powerful mine

-Lightning, for fucks sake
-Rare quality

Bloop
+One Wet Boi
+Nothing but Ice Attacks
+ice boost is broken pls nerf
+slow to start, but unfuckingstoppable when going
+gorgeous model

-slow as molasses at the beginning
-super rare
-literally only guy uses him.

Prison Rapist
+Can't be slowed no matter what you do stop trying
+only one who has fire boost
+fire boost is op it lasts for years too
+Powerful moveset
+buff and weirdly fuckable

-teal hair
-slowest boi
-super rare
-will ruin your fucking day if he's your opponent
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I am really excited for the IDW comics. I hope they are good.
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>>201688789
I miss Universe more than the main comic, I wonder if IDW will do something similar.
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>>201687373
You just described Classicucks in general.
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>>201688789
I wonder what character will be on the first page after the issue cover.
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>>201689046
IIRC, IDW said that a Universe-like comics not off the table, but they wanna see how the main comic does first.
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Is it possible to disable the subtitles and music in SA2's cutscenes?
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>>201673282
Not digging how you you can't skid to a stop when running above a certain speed. Other than that it feels pretty nice.
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Post your best times in Mania and I'm going to try to beat them
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So are you all going to watch Ken Penders' upcoming web series "THE REPUBLIC" when it's released?
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>>201690583
>when it's released
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>>201689915
00:00:00
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>>201690583
Of course, he created Knuckles and that funny new meme. xD
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>>201687882
Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately I can't seem to replicate the loop issue you're having. I have no issues making it around even the tallest loop in the field. The Spin Dash may still be a bit under-powered, though. I could bump it up a smidgen I suppose.
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>>201691198
Is there any chance you could add colored energy spheres around characters when they're curled up like in the other 3D games?
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>>201691198
Not him, but it's funny: When I'm rolling down a hill like in your WebM, I'm able to run through that big ass loop. But when I'm on flat ground I usually fall halfway down from that same loop. I think it's just a matter of how much momentum you build, as I can go through the smaller loops with ease on flat ground.
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>>201691371
That seems like something that should be up to the developer in the end. I don't want to force that option on people if they don't like it. I'm leaving many of the effects basic and simple so that people can expand on them if they like.
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>>201691509
That's fair, thanks for responding.
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>>201691198
offset the camera vertically, half the screen is looking at ground you've passed
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>>201689348
Didn't GHPanon say that was a bug or something?
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>>201691489
That's exactly the point. Sonic has 2 types of "top" speeds: Firstly, there's his top speed from a stand-still on flat ground. This is 65 m/s. A fully-charged Spin Dash currently takes him up to 150. Secondly, there's Sonic's MAX speed which is 343 m/s: the speed of sound at sea-level. This is a speed that can only be reached through the use of slopes.
Some tricks I recommend are using a Bounce Attack while on a slope to rocket yourself off of it and using Spin-Cancels to get yourself up slopes more easily after a Spin Dash.

>>201691632
Please leave a more detailed description of what you'd like to see in the Feedback Sheet and I'll get to it.

>>201691795
Unfortunately, yes. That's a known issue. The new Input Easing system makes it such that quickly snapping the joystick in the opposite direction can be difficult.
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>>201691198
>/sthg/ Presents

Fuck, can you imagine having that appear on a fan game and seen by people?
>/sthg/ team
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>>201692294
I was thinkin' about calling this the Bumper engine. Put a little star bumper on the logo. But, of course, we know what Bumper I'm talking about.
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>>201692014
>Please leave a more detailed description of what you'd like to see in the Feedback Sheet and I'll get to it.

no. just raise the camera so sonic isn't centered and you can get a better view of whats coming

here's a tip to make it look like you're going faster than you are: implement a dolly zoom the faster sonic goes
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>>201692294
and I thought I was already immune to cringing after some time here

>>201692390
any work done by guys here is awesome to see anyway anon, it seems so easy to just go on plebbit to seek recognition nowadays
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>>201692429
I think the reason why he mentioned the Feedback Sheet is so he won't forget to do what you suggested & so it won't get lost in these threads.

>>201692294
>>201692390
>Bumper Engine
>/sthg/ Presents
The idea of this general producing one of the big 3D Sonic fangames is amazing.
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If Adventure era stuff isn't anything like the classics then why did the Mania team rip off their promotional art?
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>>201692294
>team
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>>201692589
Well, the Mania team are fans of stuff from the Adventure/Modern era.

>>201692610
Hey, the control scheme & characters in this devkit was voted on by this general & our tips on how GHPAnon could improve on the engine helped. In some ways, it was a team effort.
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>>201692589
really wish people would stop comparing the 3 gametypes since theyre separate entities

the worst part is that boost and classic get work on them still while adventure style is legit dead since not even fans can perfect the controls as well as SA2
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>>201692589
Yeah, I also noticed that the main playable characters are the same from the Hero story in SA2. What gives?
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>>201692821
Adventure is dead because of 06
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>>201692821
>the worst part is that boost
Period.
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>>201692858
sonic 3 did it first
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>>201692916
Adventure sucked enough before 06 made it worse.
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>>201692916
by that logic boost should be dead cause of forces
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>>201693026
Forces is lightyears better than 06
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>>201693026
>Forces
>as bad as 06
By that logic, Sonic should have died after his first game since that's the weakest out of the classics.
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>>201693026
It may be, who knows. And no, Adventure didn't die because of 06. Adventure mostly died because a lot of the directors/level designers & the producer etc. moved onto other parts of Sonic Team/left. Iizuka became producer, Toyoda became a writer, Naka left SEGA, etc.

Not to mention, look at the circumstances. After 06, the most praised recent Sonic game at the time was Rush with its Boost formula. SEGA wanted to try something new in their gameplay styles, so they hired young guys fresh out of college to make Unleashed, taking the Boost from Rush & putting in 3D/2.5D

It was praised, so they kept it around & stopped making Adventure-styled games. Now with Forces getting mediocre reviews, with the most praised recent Sonic game featuring momentum-based gameplay, SEGA may try something new again. It all depends on what direction the head of SEGA wants this series to go in.
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I wonder how Sonic Boom would've turned out if it never became a WiiU exclusive. There were a lot of industry veterans working on it who previously made Crash Bandicoot & Jak and Daxter
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>>201693383
Meant to add: With GHPAnon's devkit, Utopia (if it gets updated soon) & whatever Sonic Team is planning for 3D Sonic going forward, I'm actually kinda excited/interested in seeing where this franchise goes in terms of official games & fangames.
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>>201693767
Sonic Boom was flawed fundamentally, more dev time would just have turned it from shit into a polished turd. Instead of Boom 06 it would be Boom Forces.
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>>201693767
>There were a lot of industry veterans working on it who previously made Crash Bandicoot & Jak and Daxter

All of those people were art people, as in they only made concept art for those games.
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>>201693767
It must of have been incredible for them to sabotage it like that. We'll never see that other timeline.
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>>201694194
>sabotage
????
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>>201694194
>>201694105
Sonic Boom is exclusive to a console that was never meant to run CryEngine. Who knows, they might've had to cut out some really great stuff just to get it to run.
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How's this for a camera offset? The camera is slightly higher now
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>>201692390

>Modern Sonic runs by twice
>Sega logo appears
>comes back with a blue marker and writes "fan made" near the S
>speeds off

>Bumper Engine slides out from behind a bounce pad

>/sthg/ presents
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>>201694405
Not bad. Gives me a more clear look ahead.

>>201694464
That's the most autistic thing I heard in this general all week. I fucking love it.
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>>201694405
Do you need someone to help with 2D art for you?
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>>201694351
The devs were only told about it being WiiU exclusive after it was already mostly done. The WiiU was never meant to run CryEngine plus a new and fucked up version of that came out and they had to port everything over or lose the license to use that engine.
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>>201694659
Perhaps a logo designer might be nice for the splash screen.
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>>201694763
Should I post it in the thread when I am done?
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>>201694398
It's just a mediocre licensed game, it was never meant to be good.
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>>201694870
Heck yeah
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>>201694745
Poor communication doesn't mean it was sabotaged, besides
>"make us a game"
>never asks what system it needs to be made for
Both sides are at fault.
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>>201694405
Much Better.
There's a neat camera trick you might want to consider to help give impressions of speed called Dolly Zoom. I've always wanted to see a 3d Sonic game take advantage of this effect.
Basically you move the camera's position farther away from Sonic while also increasing the zoom. Code both values to correlate directly the closer Sonic reaches his max speed.

Basically you can give off the impression of speed without forcing him to go faster than is reasonably controllable or doing something stupid like motion blur.

Just something to consider, good luck.
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>>201695317
Green Hill Paradise actually does that. It's a neat suggestion, but I'm unsure how easy it would be to implement. I'll look into it.
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>>201695402
what engine are you using
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>>201695491
Unity
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>>201677903
Happy, but confused.
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>>201695547
It's just tweaking the fov and camera position with code. This guide should help but you'll want the opposite effect: moving the camera away (the old sonic's too fast for the camera manuver) and zooming in (tunnel vision). And as he's slowing down the camera catches up and fov widens out allowing Sonic to appreciate the scenary more.

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DollyZoom.html
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>>201695801
I'll look into it. Sadly, though, this new camera perspective really isn't leaving a good impression on me. It's making basic platforming a chore because the camera is too high to be able to see where you're going to land. I'll keep working with it.
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Yeah I can see how that'd become and issue...but you need the raised camera for higher speeds.... I would only raise the camera via code when he's going fast because you need that raised camera to see where you're going.

The Sonic formula has been known to be difficult to adapt to 3d so you'll need to incorporate a lot of tricks to adapt to each situation.
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>>201696170
>difficult
*impossible
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>>201696307
>Because Sonic Team and its league of brain-geniuses can't do it that means that it's impossible
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>>201696307
I swear the key to 3d Sonic is getting the camera right. You can get better platforming if sonic doesn't actually move fast but not going fast is a Sonic sin so if you only give the impression of speed you can keep sonic slower.
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>>201696425
Are you implying Sonic Team & SEGA aren't full of the best & brightest minds in the gaming industry?
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>>201696479
>I swear the key to 3d Sonic is to stop making them.

Fixed.
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>>201696661
I was about to use phantasy star as an example of their competence in game design but then I remembered the horrible things they do to phantasy star these days
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>>201697021
Just like Sonic no matter what the game is like at least the OST is good.
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post early sonic youtube videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ld3cXGWQiI
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>>201697247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvavclgsp9k
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>>201697421
it's hard to believe this video and the other one are 12 and 11 years old.
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>>201697147
S4E1 and Chronicles had garbage music
But you're right, otherwise.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql4nMHVYsQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4z6S6SErYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Q0_DgXHG0
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>>201697882
Mad Gear and some of the battle music was okay, but yeah.
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Feel the beat, feel the beat, feel the beat, I'll make you lose control!
Feel the beat, feel the beat, feel the beat, I'll make you lose control!
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>>201697021
>Phantasy Star 3
>Competent
Also, I'm pretty sure Sonic Team didn't actually develop the cancer that is PSO2.

>>201697247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOIg7TMm4
Reminder that this is who Balena Productions used to be
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>>201697247
Posting OG kino
https://youtu.be/-AXVeYBjylI
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>They had to change the design when they went 3D! Modern "Sonic" looks just as good as the original!
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>>201701348
Any reason you're starting an argument with yourself, anon?
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>>201700175
caprisun is best sonic character.
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>>201701416
Found a picture, got inspired.
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Open world Sonic when?
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>>201702005
Your only problem was posting it too early. You have to post bait in the busiest hours for the most potential (you)s
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>>201702207
Sankyuu shittuposta-sensei
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>>201702019
When GHP's engine is finished and someone makes one.
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>>201245740
Another timely delivery.
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>>201246785
Aside from the slippers and long skirt, I thought her design worked well enough already.
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>>201246601
Kinda prefer Freedom Planet's dragons to Archie's, if only by a little.
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>>201246142
It's a bit hard to find a medium between too simple and overdoing it when it comes to some of these, especially with how detailed a lot of gypsy outfits are. The stickman is there because I started drawing another tarot card even though there was nothing past her pinky to hold it.
That's it for me. Goodnight, /sthg/.
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>>201704002
>>201704065
>>201704215
>>201704416
Nice work. Night anon!
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Let's make today a good day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QbA8ChUmw
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>>201684803
I can't tell if he's being snarky or not.

Why Autism with Sonic? Why not any other thing, object, or series?
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>>201704416
>>201704215
>>201704065
>>201704002

I like your art a lot, but your filenames are fucking priceless.
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>>201686261
I'm confirmed to have a form of autism, anon. Only a pretty small percentage of people have it anyway.

Makes me wonder what kind of other conditions people have in here, like even schizophrenia or something.
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>>201706115
I got nought, although a tendency to jump at the smallest of noises and I hate people touching me, so if that's a sign of a form of autism then shieeet.

I also shitpost here so if I don't I may as well have.
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Gentlemen, pitch me a character spin-off title. Sonic cannot be the lead but he can be plot relevant.
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>>201708292
Team Dark Buddy Cop Action film, duh.

Shadow is a brooding alien with amnesia issues and sever hang-ups. Omega's a robot straight outta GUN's Rehabilitation Of Killing Machines Into Society program. Together, they fight crime.

Now if Rouge can stop getting on their back for collateral, maybe they can make a formidable trio.

This summer, Chris Tucker is Shadow etc.
>This is why no-one will work with you Shadow
>Rouge, we're the Guardian Unit's of Nations. No-one likes us. I tell my friends I'm a crack dealer

>YOU DESTROYED AN ENTIRE GREEN HILL ZONE
>Hey Rouge you know that zone is overused anyway
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>>201707985
I mean it can be, but it could just be a mere sensitivity issue you have. For example, I actually really like hugs even when many may not. So far, I don't know that many people who frequently rock even when that's one of the most common traits people think when it comes to ASD.

Referencing psychological textbooks, how people get diagnosed usually requires about 5+ traits and a duration of time. So you're probably okay, anon.
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>>201708292
Knuckles get a rhythm game.
Includes 1000000000 hours of Knuckles rap songs.
Playable characters: Modern Knuckles, Classic Knuckles, Boom Knuckles, OVA Knuckles, Toon Knuckles, Dreamcast Knuckles, Blue Knuckles, Metal Knuckles, Mecha Knuckles
Special edition features Dante.
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>>201709746
SiIvagunner, plz go.
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>>201709746
>No K'nox the Praetorian
Shit Knuckles game desu
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>>201687373
Sonic Retro is defending fucking Yatzhee now in a desperate attempt to make Forces (a disappointing game) look like fucking 06. And they are trying to weaponize Mania against Sega which is an insult to the whole team they pretend to promote.

Also Classic Sonic isn't such a masterpiece, it's a good classic, people need to get over it

>>201688324
goddamn cute
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>>201687373
Sonic Retro is genuinely abysmal.

Being able to post there requires special admission and a song and dance before they let you post, and then the heavy bias against anything Sega made after 99 means trying to have reasonable discussion must be hell.

And I get it, it's Sonic Retro, don't go to a place that specifically only deals with classic Sonic and complain about diversity, but the constant complaining about the modern stuff easily outweighs the classic posting.

And because two of their own (former anyway, I don't know what they think of Retro now) have made a great game, they think "Well look, WE can make better.", thinking that two experienced programmers who set up a business and pitched and worked closely with Sega is the same as a bunch of manchildren on the internet who get ready to shit on everything Sega does ever.
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>>201673282
Anywhere we can see up to date source code?
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>>201687373
I think Sonic Retro is one of the better places to discuss Sonic because at least they have discussions and interesting content compared to other places
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>>201711170
Stealth has a pinned topic where he was pretty assholish from the beginning. He's just some guy to made technical stuff and used the forum as a platform to share it.
As for Whitehead, I don't think he keeps on insisting he likes "pixels and polys alike" for no reason. They can't really be associated with Retro in my opinion.
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>>201711425
At least they don't have mods who quit after leaving whiny messages about how Forces marketing made their question their life choices but hey that's a pretty low bar to begin with
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REMEMBER THE SONIC 4 DISCOURCE
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>>201708292
Devilman but Sonic characters possess humans instead. And of course young adult Chris got possessed by Sonic
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Do you listen to Sonic songs while playing other games?
I sometimes like to listen to Azure blue sky or Sky deck a gogo while playing Dragon's Dogma.
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>>201711340
let's respect his privacy anon
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>>201712587
I do actually. I like listening to some Sonic themes while I play MK8 sometimes. I don't recall what in particular though.
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>>201714121
When will the savior of the Sonic franchise sue Sega for that Finevitus (©KenPenders) ripoff in Chaotix?
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do you think there will ever be a time where the fanbase is truly united?
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>>201714774
No. This is the one of the most retarded fanbases there is, but on the bright side, normies don't know about it and believe we do all LOVE each other as furries do
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>>201716471
>normies don't know about it

Arin talks about it a lot. If anything it's the video game fandom normies know must of, at least as a fandom. Like a lot of people don't think of CoD players as "The CoD fandom" for example.
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>>201716876
Sorry, I meant they believe we are happy furries sharing creepy fetishes in a hippie garden even though every Sonic forum is more like an open battlefield with at least 4 factions who hate the guts of each other.
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>>201717220
Just like Sonic Heroes!
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>>201717536
Sonic: Classic
Dark : Adventure
Rose : Boost
Chaotix : Archie


oh shit
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>>201717882

>Archie has the best team but the worst gameplay

Yep, checks out.
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>>201692589
>Even Heroes' trinity dot formation's sprinkled throughout Mania's artwork
Kino
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>>201692589
Seems like preemptive trolling directed to the inevitable "told you Sonic doesn't work in 3D" ClassicCuck&Casual audience
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>>201722386
best AI
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>>201705596
You are literally the best anon here (Aside from Drawanon and GHPAnon). Thank you.
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>>201722545

cool design
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>>201722545
>>201722386
>>201722745
>>201722929
>>201723506

why is she such a slut
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>>201723465
That's a really big statement for someone who just repeat a message.

But I'm glad that you and that anon who mentioned that they started appreciating the tune more enjoy the daily message.
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>>201723670
She is not Sticks
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>>201724079

Well they do share an important slutty trait.

Sticks doesn't wear gloves and Nicole doesn't wear shoes (for most of her existence anyway)
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>>201698820
12 INCH MASTAH
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>>201684803
>a number of Sonic fans to some degree experience a form of autism
But why?
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>>201725147

Calm down ladies, don't get a lesbo overload here.
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>>201724349
paws confirmed
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>>201725617
>lesboverload

best sort, amirite
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>>201725993

That's why the reboot happened, they had to retcon paws.
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What are the most underrated songs in this this franchise?
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Where the hell did Crush 40 go? They both still work at SEGA, so...why haven't we heard anything from them?
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>>201725552
Several years ago in high school, we used to have this group thing that help people on the spectrum or with sort of cognitive disorder interact with those who are not so there were about 15 people who were like that, and 45 who were not.

Nearly all of them were into things like Nintendo, TMNT, Sonic, D&D, superheroes, cartoons, and so on. Ironically, not that much anime or furry discussion or interest happened, at least for the underclassmen. Some almost gave me a run for my money when it came to Sonic and we would have a group discussion when they were up for it. We did have a select few who would hang out with "normies and popular kids" and tried to be more normie.

My point is, I think a lot of the colorful, quirky and zany personality, likely non human characters is what's interesting.

I think much older people probably gain an interest with collecting or objects like planes or trains or something but I personally haven't met anyone who's above my age who have any conditions.
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>>201727247
Official or remixes of official?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6_ZhdOalk8
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>>201711170
So... It's like fucking NeoGAF for Sonic the Hedgehog?
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>>201727883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kQANR9krcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubcmHSUHEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HGaLc2h46w
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>>201725552
There's that post about how expressive the characters are and simple colours that denote certain character types are simplistic enough for childlike viewers to get a hold of, but that's the same with a lot of shows.

However, Sonic has three things going for it.
1, He was once the face of a company that once got the majority of the gaming market.
The blue fucker's recognisable by almost every country on the planet. Autism is just as prevalent in Danny Phantom for example, but you tend to hear less about it cause it doesn't have the spread of Sonic.

2. It was born at JUST the right time.
Sonic was 91. The early internet came around for the more degenerate members when they were in there teens. So He-Man might have had it's die hard fetishists, but those were probably weeded out or bullied by 1980's America, so you tended to grow up out of it.
The weirder part of the fanbase found a community of people just like them.
These people not only raised the bar, they set a precedent for people not to do the same shit. Wasn't broken until MLP came STORMING past.

3. It's still going.
You think Sonic would have this notoriety if it died out after Adventure 02? These new fans get into shit the old fans were in and the autism stays. Normal people grow out of it. People like us stay here. People who genuinely autistic play a video game and come on the internet to talk about it and are met with the community that was created before them. The Autism collective becomes bigger each new year.

However, with all that being said, Sonic isn't even that bad anymore. Not when we've got fucking Undertale fans and My Little Pony and Steven Universe.
Sonicfags are just slowly turning into people who criticise all the games, and once that happens, we're no different to any other fanbase.
We also talk about how cute girl characters are, but hey, we're long past salvation.
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>>201727247
Educational Sonic Games have the most underrated soundtracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx7ZwBBVC5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAObe1PlwRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kw4rTbX2Rk
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>>201728960
Those are some good ass soundtracks, anon.
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>>201726302

Can Nicole hack sexualities?
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>>201728679
What was the community like before Sonic X/Heroes era, and did it have the same attention compared to now? Did everyday people made fun of the series, people in the gaming community?

I'd imagine it wasn't as strange/"autistic" as other notorious communities such as anime or cosplay at the time.
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>>201730332
Now that I think about it, how the fuck was I more embarrassed with anime but not Sonic. I liked anime but not nearly as much as others and not even close to online. Reading weebstories now brings back those memories.

But I even heard more talk and disappointment with Pokemon over the years (after Gen 4) than Sonic. Guess there wasn't much to say about it besides the notorious things.
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Sonic was a mistake.
It's nothing but trash.
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>>201731946
so were you but your mother still keeps you around.
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Lesbians?
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Will Infinite return?
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>>201732264

Amy's out there with her cupid's arrows again I see
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>>201732442
Yeah, in the Olympics
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How evil is Eggman?
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>>201732264
What about them?
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>>201730332
Not him but generally people were neutral/positive towards the games. The only thing that was made fun of was the cheesy dialogue in SA1/2. There was no "Sonic was never good" mentality yet. The closest you got were the angry "Nintendo > Sega" fanboys but at this point there were few since the Dreamcast was already failing and SA2 was released on the Gamecube.

I can't remember what people thought of the fandom back then. I don't think it got much attention from outsiders.
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>>201732442
Boy I hope so.
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>>201732442
Hopefully so Shadow can bully him even more!
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>>201731946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByC8sRdL-Ro
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>>201732442
Yes, as Amy's boyfriend.
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Why the fuck are they worried the spider robot in Green Hill will reach the Chemical Plant when it’s halfway across the planet ON AN ISLAND? Did the writers even think or use their brains ONCE?
Bad physics and bad writing, the whole fucking package.
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>>201733865
It's pretty darn speedy and could probably walk to it while submerged.
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>>201733865

They never actually considered the geography of the planet in the story.

They clearly didn't give a fuck.
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>>201734085
At the speed I see playing Guardian Rock, Modern Sonic would have blasted through the Plant and left before the spider could even make it through the war zone that is the Unnamed City (which at that point is apparently claimed by the Resistance going by how the game treats it) to reach the coast.
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One thing I noticed is that the Sonic fanbase didn't get really bad until Sonic X came out. Like it was always autistic. It's always had a lot of complaining and whining. You can't dispute this. But it got so much worse after Sonic X. I'm not even sure why. It's like any sort of movie/TV show that's aimed at kids and has romance between two talking animal characters gets really weird, dedicated, fanbases. Alpha & Omega, Balto, the second Lion King Movie, the Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer movie of all things (the 1998 one, not the stop motion one), Sonic X, etc. Most of these are old but still have fairly active fanbases making art, usually ship related. Why?
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>>201729509
she can show her partners the light
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>>201734962
Fuck off back to Twitter, Triple-Q.
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>>201724079
i want to lick sticks' lewd tummy
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>>201735089
>sex and nudity

What, where?
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>>201735103
but he's an expert on game design that sega should listen to. didn't you see all his sonic forces videos.
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>>201735103
Ruff ruff
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>>201735248
>where
in Shadows imagination
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>>201732842
It's an interesting conundrum to see the transition. Maybe it's because Sonic X is one of baby's first anime along with some other factors that put Sonic on the forefront compared to other series.

>>201734968
I guess making up and drawing scenarios is one of the ways that a community can stay alive rather than stating what you think about a short film and its composition.
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>>201735248
Don't you know what happens when you complete all library paths, anon?
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>>201735478
I like the background
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>>201735478
>Hawaiian top Shadow
Everytime.

My idea for Boom Shadow was just that he would have like a bike shop in town where he spent all day fixing bikes up.

Would be flippant to anyone who tried talking to him and murderous to anyone that so much as disrupted his day job.

And obviously wearing a Hawaiian top.

Boom Shadow was an edgelord but I can forgive him for
>Shadow ... is a.... weak- weak- weak- windbag
>HE WILL PAY FOR THIS
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Is Shadow a virgin?
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>>201736186
what you can forgive him for being knuckles?

boom shadow is just bad guy knuckles
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>>201708292
Sonic the Hedgehog: Federation Force
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>>201736460
It's funny that someone who lauds his own accomplishments above others would fall for such an obvious ploy.

It's why it's funny whenever Boom Knuckles says anything smart.

The humour comes from the switch-up, the unexpected from a character who's very much the opposite.

Humour 101.
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>>201736660
I just dislike characterization, thats like making a gag out of amy turning angsty and serious out of nowhere

they just get the shadow character so wrong and instead of being a character with depth is just early versions of knuckles who gets tricked into being evil rather than making his own decisions
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>>201728120
It's not like they're SJWs
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>>201736976
I hope you mean you just dislike Shadow's characterisation, rather than all characterisation ever.

Also, Amy does turn serious, the humour comes from she's supposed to be the eloquent lady, or so she thinks.
"You need to speak to a woman Tails"
"Oh right yeah. Do you know any?"
"I AM A WOMAN, I AM A WELL REFINED LADY!"

However, all the characters are just parallel versions without a lot of the history of the prime versions. Which is fair because Sonic Boom is just a character driven comedy where they poke fun at their personalities and how dysfunctional they are as a team. I get not liking the characters, but they're not the same characters as Prime, and Boom existing doesn't change those personalities.

Pontaff and Sega of Japan existing are out to make them all laughable idiots backtracking on years of development, so blame them.

Also Shadow in the Prime world is a fucking dork, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell for a trick like that.
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>>201729509
Yes, she turned Ice the Man gay.
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>>201711616
wait what really? Where?
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>>201736454
Shadow is the ultimate lifeform so yes, his hymen regenerates each time after sex.
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The Resistance's greatest hope.
B U M P
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>>201737495
>Shadow in the Prime world is a fucking dork
Proof?
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>>201738060
bampu
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>>201738060
The dream is real. I'm so happy.
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How romantic
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>>201738060

It begins.
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>>201710890
While I do agree that Sonic Team has screwed up so hard in the past, their attitudes towards Mania make it seem like anyone with a brain could have made a game that good.

News Flash: Level design is hard work, which is why the Advance series and countless fangames failed to be AS fun despite doing a decent job emulating the classic gameplay.
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>>201711170
But this is also the same group that brought you the Sonic Unleashed Project and several mods to the Adventure era games.

Hell right now one of the most popular threads is about Sonic Forces hacking.
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Alright boys, how do I minimize the fucking loading screen times in 06 as much as possible?
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>>201737586
Wrong site, that was Sonic Stadium.
https://board.sonicstadium.org/profile/385-azoo/?status=876545&type=status

He stuck around though to continually bash Forces and claim it is the next 06.

He insisted that Mania would affect the 3D series the way Sonic Rush did.

Only I think he forgot that Lost World existed.
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>>201739752
Emulate the 360 version on Xenia.
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>>201737586
Wow, what a faggot.
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oops
>>201740502
meant for
>>201739974
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>>201741421
I wonder how these people fail to realize that Lost World and Forces show that Sonic Team has no idea how to represent classic Sonic beyond the surface level presentation.
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>>201739974
When you make Sonic your whole life, no wonder a bad game or several years of several bad games does this to you.

Like, I don't know about you guys, but I got my quite hefty balls in at least a variety of different games, so when Sonic has a bad game I can't find it in me to spew it out at people.

I don't know, I see posts like his and wonder what the hell is he going to go into now when you spend 12 years being a mod on a Sonic forum.
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>>201739974
Oh this guy, yeah he's a complete autist. Isn't he pretty much back now too?
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Eggman's Wreck-It-Ralph render is pretty adorable
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>>201744239
looks gay
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>>201744239
He's cute!
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How would a ugandan knuckles game work?

I was thinking 3d sonic gameplay, but with bits of walking around talking to people to find the way.
Spit/kiss/kill buttons
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>>201746025
The only way to make an ugandan knuckles game work is to never make it.
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One of the many ways Sonc Forces manages to disappoint me, is we never see how the Eggman Empire actually works, how Eggman enjoys himself now that he's conquered almost the entire planet. It could have been nice to see how OG Eggman acts as a ruler in contrast to the pre-reboot Archie version, but oh well.
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>>201746893
They said "99% of the world" and "six months" just to make it sound cool, but didn't actually consider what that meant for the narrative. Eggman's still hovering around and doing nothing.
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>>201746383
Just like 3D Sonic.
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>>201746893
>>201747204
Which sucks too, it would've been great to see Eggman sitting in some throne room acting like the resistance's victories were nothing.
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*throws mo-
>>>/v/403313617
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>>201747614
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

For real though, that's a fucking tragedy. What sort of bastard who's parents have let him stay there playing fucking videogames goes and shoots his mother cause his headset's broken. Not a lot of things make me mad anymore but this fucking degenerate piece of shit is fucking activating my emeralds.

I kinda want to know what game he was playing though.
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>>201737976
Wait
...anon, what did you mean by this?
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>>201737495
>Also Shadow in the Prime world is a fucking dork, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell for a trick like that.
I'm pretty sure Shadow's one of the smarter ones.
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>>201748909
New option: the zoom is good, but the height should change. Not SLIGHTLY, but COMPLETELY, it should be way more higher than that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHm2b2jd1Ts
Take my lead I'll set you free.
Follow me!
Set me free!
Trust me and we will escape from the city.
I'll make it through.
Follow-
Follow me!
Set me free!
Trust me and we will escape from the city.
I'll make it through prove it to you!
Follow me!
I can't not sing along to this.
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>>201747919
I read that he was playing a classic Sonic game, jussayin.
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>>201748909
>>201749806
This.
I think something close pic rleated would be ideal.
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>>>/v/403317113
Sonic's need to keep moving explained
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>>201749852
Every time someone sings City Escape and not the full version, it makes me a little bit sad.
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>>201735204
It tastes like dried sweat and dirt
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I wonder who it could be.
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>>201751635
Yeah it's clearly Blaze.
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>>201750268
Looks like I'll have to really look at how this camera behaves. The height change feels great moving forward, but this change really impacts basic platforming as well as visibility while moving backwards. I'm going to try zooming the camera out and down while moving towards the camera.
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>>201751831
This is why she's not in the main game, she's stuck endlessly racing illusions.
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>>201751635
I think it's that retard with the mask
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>>201751831
I'm hype for flat cat, would briefly pick the game back up to unlock her.
Shame she's a Rare though, could take a while.
Wonder who's next, maybe Cream or Marine.
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>go to Empire City
>get shot
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TRUE SUFFERING
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>>201752942
How do you know that she's a rare?
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>>201753773
Gross
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>>201681414
This pairing makes no sense.
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>>201753927
It says so in the second image, the one that's all burnt up.
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>>201753773
i'm surprised people still play this.
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>>201754162
Oh jeez I'm dumb.
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>>201754165
I still play it singleplayer only
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>>201754104
Has that stopped anyone else in this general?
It's alot more plausible then other odd ships
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>>201754165
It's a fun game, I still play it. Then again, I DID just buy it 2 weeks ago.
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>>201754165
It's a fun game
I only got it this christmas kinda surprised more people dont like it.
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>>201754104
Pink hedgie's too blind to notice, best not to tell her at this point.
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>>201754456
I still like it, but I just don't play it as much anymore. I like it more than Mario Kart somewhat.
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>>201754637
I don't think it's really as similar to Mario Kart as people say it is. All-Star Racing seems more competitive and skill-based to me, though I haven't played Mario Kart in awhile. I don't think Mario Kart has boost stacking and tricks and stuff. Also, All-Star Racing doesn't really have rubber banding like Mario Kart does. Drones and stuff are pretty easily countered.
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>>201754973
I wish there were more items in Transformed. But then it would probably do the same thing like in Mario Kart and only give you certain items depending on what place you were in.
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>>201754456
>kinda surprised more people dont like it.
Pretty much everyone loves it. It's had overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam for ages.
The online is just dead.
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>>201755262
I don't like items in racing games a lot. They were really out of place in Riders, which was a lot more competitive.

>>201755394
The online's not completely dead. I pretty much always find a game when I play it.
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>>201754274
t. Silvazefag
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guys i think sparky died
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/201736952/#201747143
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Okay. So I've been looking at different Sonic games to determine how the camera should behave when the character runs backwards towards it. Sonic Adventure's Free Camera mode pans the camera downward towards the ground. Auto Camera doesn't do much of anything.
Adventure 2's camera will quickly turn towards the direction the player is going, but only if the character is running slightly to the left, or slightly to the right back towards the camera. If they're dead-on backwards the camera doesn't do anything special.

What should the camera do when Sonic is running back towards it?
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We already have a good grasp of Sonic and Eggman's diets, but what do you think the other characters eat (not just their favorite foods)?
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>>201757051
I miss Sparky. He wrote good fanfics.
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>>201756786
Spacepanther plz
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>>201757062
Amy eats a lot of sweets, like cupcakes, ice cream and pancakes.
Tails probably follows in Sonic's footsteps and eats a lot of fast food / junk food.
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>>201757062
Knuckles eats fried chicken, watermelon, and grapes.
Blaze eats tuna.
Tails hasn't eaten in years and is biding his time until he can safely eat Cream and Vanila.
Shadow and Silver eat dick
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>>201757052
Didn't one of the Sonic games have the camera zoom in on the character starts running towards it?
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>>201757062
Knuckles eats grapes according to Sonic 3's manual (or Sonic & Knuckles', whatever).
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>>201757062
amy probably likes baked goods
tails likes sweets things because he's a child
knuckles likes gerps and meat
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>>201757052
I’d say maybe the camera gradually attempts to find it’s way back behind Sonic, but I’m not too sure how well that’d work. It might get obnoxious in practice.
>>201757051
>that entire thread
What the actual fuck
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>>201757051
I don't miss him. He blogged, stole ideas, and derailed threads.
>but muh redemption arc!
Still the same Sparky just with slightly less posting and only half essays instead of full ones.
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>>201757443
Adventure kind of does this is Auto Camera mode, but I wouldn't really call it "zooming in." It's more like the camera makes no attempt to get away from Sonic has he naturally moves towards it.

>>201757510
Mario 64 does this is a way. Maybe I'll try to find a happy medium between Adventure and Mario 64's way of handling it.
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>>201746893
Sonic Forces but the story is a 20 hour long faithful rendition of the Eggman Empire arc with "avatar gameplay" being reserved to scenario side characters and with 4min long levels.
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>>201757051

>deader than archie sonic
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>>201757051
>his love for his wife Yuri finally drove him mad
RIP
>>201757510
It’s a short, one-trick-pony VN. Threads were bound to get shitty eventually.
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>>201757051
I can't believe Sparky is fucking dead

I hope not, I like our resident deity of lightning
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>>201757762
Oh, Mario 64 did that? Maybe that’s why I thought of it.
Either way, sounds good.
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>>201758176
>/ddlc/ has an anon known for posting Sonic
wew
wonder if they’re here now...
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Don't worry, guys. Sparky lives on.
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>>201758786
>I wonder if they're here now...
WHO DO YOU THINK THIS IS: >>201757051
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>>201757051
F
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>>201758171
>4min long levels
TROO RONG
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>>201758171
I'll buy that if it means we get a scene similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcLybhbChQ
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>>201754228
Don't sweat it anon, I didn't quote the post with said second image.
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>>201758786
Probably because their game is only as long as Forces and they little to talk about outside of waifuposting.
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>>201757762
That actually sounds pretty ideal. A mix of Adventure & Mario 64 should be good.
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>>201758786
Maybe...
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I think Sonic Heroes is my favorite Sonic game, and, by extension, my favorite game. The music is fucking great, I love the level themes, the level design is improved from SA2, the voice actors and the voice direction is fucking amazing (with the exception of Tails, of course), it has so many great quotable, and a bunch of memorable moments. The proportions on the characters is all good, Sonic isn't too tall or too short or too fat or too lean. Right in the sweet spot. I think people overexaggerate the slipperiness of the controls, it's really not that bad. The controls are definitely worse than SA2 overall but it works with the levels and it's still better than the boost games (especially Colors).

Whenever I'm playing Heroes I actually stop every now and then for a sec and just process how much fun I'm having.
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>>201746893
I never delved deep into Sonic lore but I always imagined Eggman being a nice, very friendly and approachable person but his decisions come as a business approach moreso than just him being purposefully evil.
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>>201760142
Uhm, it's more the opposite of that. Eggman has always been characterized as a malicious, somewhat childish and prone to temper-tantrums person who often acts the way he does because of his megalomania and desire that his genius becomes appreciated by everyone.
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>>201759785
>there’s actually fanart of this
Kek
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>>201760142
That's kinda why I hate Boom Eggman. There, he's a grumpy old man. Prime Eggman would never let anybody see him in his pajamas lounging around. In Adventure, he had fuckin fanfare and lights n shit just to present himself to his robots. He clearly cares a lot about his image, because he's such a childish narcissist. That's what makes him an entertaining villain, or part of it, anyway.

I don't think his decisions are a business approach. Eggman could clearly live like a king on his own land somewhere, he's got a shit ton of money, no way he doesn't. Him attempting to take over the world isn't pragmatic at all, he wants to do it because it feeds his massive, insatiable ego.

He would likely be pretty friendly, though. Eggman doesn't think he's evil. Another reason I hate Boom Eggman and modern Eggman a well, they've turned Eggman into a generic comedy villain who twirls his mustache and talks about how EEEEEVIIIIIILL he is. That's not funny anymore. There's so many comedy villains like that nowadays, it's a complete cliche. A well-written Eggman would be friendly until you question his genius or something of the sort.
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>>201760526
>somewhat childish and prone to temper-tantrums person who often acts the way he does because of his megalomania

That was essentially what I was trying to say, you worded it much better. I never saw him being purposefully malicious with the exception of Sonic because he provokes Eggman constantly. I never read Archie comics however
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>>201760786
Shit character
Shit villain
Shit game
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>>201760924
>Eggman into a generic comedy villain who twirls his mustache and talks about how EEEEEVIIIIIILL he is.
There really aren't villains in our current culture, they've become just carbon copies for heroes to fight since the emphasis is now focused on building protagonists stories. The only way Eggman can work these days is when it's ironic.
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>>201761002
Well, he threatened the entire planet with the Eclipse Cannon that one time, but I agree that he's not evil incarnate or something like that. He will protect the world if someone threatenes to destroy it (even if it's only because HE wants to rule it). Archie Eggman on the other hand, he's clearly rotten to the core. I suggest to read the comics when you can to see what I mean.
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>>201760924
It makes Eggman more human to see him lounging around, or being annoyed at trivial things like law enforcement.

When your character in the games has been reduced to "Have evil plan, get foiled, show up Monday at 9am for the same", it's nice to see the show show what that would do to a guy. Somedays he'd just lay around in his pyjamas not bothering with the day.

Plus Game Eggman works on a global scale. Boom Eggman and Sonic work on at most two villages. Lot less at stake when even Eggman wins for a bit.

Of course, no-one comes close to Baldry Rrrrrrrobotnik.
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>>201760786
Black Doom is unironically more interesting than Infinite.

>>201761334
But in the Adventure games, especially Adventure 2, both Sonic and Eggman were interesting. Now neither are interesting. They can clearly make Eggman work unironically if the games have some fucking balls to play some shit straight instead of the entire game being insecure sarcasm like Colors and Boom.

>>201761637
I agree that it makes sense for Boom Eggman to me more laid back since less at stake, but I still think his laziness goes against the spirit of the character. I've always seen Eggman as somebody with no self-awareness whatsoever. Every defeat is just a setback. He'll always bounce back, because to Eggman, his victory is inevitable. I haven't read Archie, but I think that's why he went insane that one time there. He thought about the possibility that he wasn't going to win just once and couldn't take it. Of course, I haven't read Archie, coulda been something else, that's just the gist I got from reading ABOUT it. It'd be pretty engaging in my opinion, though.
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>>201762316
the invisible part?
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>>201762106
Infinite has a personality.
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>>201762436
This. Weak memes aside, I can at least say that Infinite had a personality with some decent story potential in the hands of a good writer. Black Doom was just "evil," & that's it. One of the most generic villains, alongside Mephiles.
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>>201762397
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>>201760110
Alright you got me, I was baited.
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>>201762692
Mephiles was voiced by Dan Green
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>>201762691
Nice crypto beep, anon
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>>201762402
Even IDW knows so few people will pay for their garbage that it's not worth making a subscription for.
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Are Sonic before and after the sequel games good?
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>>201762402
I like that sonic art. It is nice.
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>>201762919
>>201762316
thats something modern sonic has butchered about his character

he use to respect eggman and would refer to him as Doctor for the most part
now hes just bad knuckles, gruff, mean, and stupid while regular knux is gruff, nice, and stupid
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>>201763542
They're better than Mania imo. BtS has an interquel too and there's a third one called Chrono Adventure.
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>>201764476
Shadow still refers to Eggman as Doctor. Just look at Episode Shadow.
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>>201765000
No! I don't like facts!
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Suit up, testers! It's time for a very important build:

>Camera perspective now shifted slightly higher for better visibility
>Camera now snaps to forward more quickly when first beginning to move, allowing for more precise camera movement when first choosing which direction you'd like to go. This means less manual adjustment when performing slower platforming.
>A higher Ground Sticking power, resulting in fewer instances of flying off of a small slope

It should be noted that this build only contains Sonic. Since this is such an important series of changes, I will not be applying these changes to the other characters until we are sure that we like how Sonic is now being handled.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yg4kwxlaVrxnoc6Vqo7cfFAPt7CFAg4DTYXeD03W2jI/edit?usp=sharing
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If a room was pitch black and the Phantom Ruby made an illusion of light for the people in said room, could they legitimately be able to see what was in the room?
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>Sonic Team is completely lost its touch with Sonic even their own fans made better games then they ever did in the last decade.
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>>201766024
>last decade.
*since Sonic's inception
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>>201766024
I have yet to see a 3D fangame even approach Generations' level of greatness.
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>>201765647
Oh yeah. The camera also pans down sooner after beginning to fall, resulting in much smoother transitions. The large half-pipe in the field section is now much more manageable.
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>>201766912
Generations was like 80% 2D sections. You might as well just compare it to the 2D fangames
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>>201767013
>>201765647
Nice. Gonna test it out in a little bit
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>>201767029
This. Generations is fantastic, but it's not a 3D Sonic game. In fact, Unleashed was the last 3D Sonic game to ever be made.
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>>201767161
Okay, maaaaaybe Lost World has more 3D than 2D, but who's calling Lost World a Sonic game anyway these days?
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>>201768305
Okay, but I was moreso talking about Modern Sonic's stages.
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>>201767029
>>201767161

You might want to play Generations again because you clearly don't remember it. Unless you're trying to shove Classic levels into "3D", which makes you insincere and still wrong.
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Why is Mania so loved? Don't get me wrong, tt's solid, the level design's good, but fangames like Sonic Time Twisted are way better. Time Twisted actually has an interesting story, original level concepts, and cool shit happening. Mania is kinda just Game the Game. Nothing happens. There's no context to anything happening, nothing interesting, anyway. Just meta jokes and fanservice, like the rest of the fucking series since 2010. But Sonic has black eyes in the game so 10/10 best Sonic game since Sonic 2. God, I fucking hate people.
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>>201768553
Time Twisted isn't great, sorry to burst that bubble.
The levels feel problematic in the same way as CD, there's not a great flow to them.
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>>201757051
>Find out one of the most interesting and engaging horror games I've played has a general
>Sparky killed it
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>>201766912
Generations is better than the two games after it, but not as good as the two before it. Generations' quality as an experience is a little overblown due to the way it touched on nostalgia at the time. It's good, but not great.
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>>201768553
Mania is basically a modern day Generations. Everyone will praise to high hell because it looks nice and muh classic, but as time goes on people will notice it's more style than substance.
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>>201768781
>horror games
VNs =/= video games
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>>201768553
>Time Twisted
ok c'mon anon
I get your complaints but Time Twisted is the worst thing to cite. It's got things wrong with the narrative shared with bad fanfiction, and the level design is absolutely garbage (even Before/After The Sequel are better in that regard)
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>>201768690
Maybe to you, but I actually like CD's level design so I don't mind it. I understand why people wouldn't like it though. I'll still take janky level design and cool shit happening over good level design and fuck-all happening. I don't like Sonic because it has good level design (though I very much appreciate it), I like Sonic because it's full of cool shit. When I think of Sonic I think of the CD animations, running away from the truck in City Escape, etc.

>>201769198
The narrative is kinda weird, with the giant Eggman and the gore at the end, but I'll take it over literally nothing. Like I said before, I don't mind the level design.
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>>201768553
>waa it's too video gamey!
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>>201769414
>you're a stupid faggot for liking interesting context in games!!!
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>>201768824
Classic Sonic is way better than the Werehog.
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>>201769332
>I don't like gameplay I like setpieces
Modernfags
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>>201768553
it's the first real classic Sonic game in over 20 years so of course people got excited for it. It's also a genuinely solid Sonic game which we haven't had since Generations. I think if we get a Mania 2 that follows the same structure (remixed stages, a few totally new stages, nostalgia pandering, etc.) people will retroactively start disliking Mania, sort of like with Sonic Colors because of the Wisps and slow, tedious 2D sections despite being a 3D game.
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>>201769806
Wiirehog maybe, but WereHDog stages are GOAT. Classic's stages in Gens are easy and boring with pretty graphics.
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>>201768781
Well to be fair it was moreso avatarfags from what I gathered. Sparky just happened to be there.
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>>201767013
Tested it out. It's a good change, allows me to see more of where I'm heading. Nice work!

>>201769860
I love how you completely ignored that he said that he appreciates good level design. Also, SEGA themselves have marketed Sonic doing cool shit as one of the primary things in the franchise since day 1. There's a lot that could be said about how they could easily combine good level design with cool setpieces,
but still
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>>201769806
But Modern Sonic's levels in Unleashed are way better than Modern Sonic's in Generations
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>>201769860
Gameplay and setpieces aren't mutually exclusive. S3K had setpieces, like running on water in hydrocity, snowboarding in Ice Cap, ziplining in Sandopoilis, and people fucking love that game. I like that shit in the game. It's all memorable. If S3K didn't have a great story, interesting level themes, and fun setpieces, would people hail it as the best Sonic game ever? I really fucking doubt it.
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>>201770079
Fuck, cropped too low.
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>>201769745
You're a faggot for liking cringy stories that made Sonic into a joke for the last decade.
>>201769091
>game is mostly gameplay
>style over substance
Fuck off.

I hope Ian makes some good characters in the new comic because I'm really going to miss the post-reboot OCs.
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Mania DID need more narrative stuff but the level design really is peak classic Sonic in my honest opinion. It's twice as large as S3&K levels and you really can cut your own path through the levels, I have over 200 hours and I'm sure there's still plenty of secrets I haven't found yet. It's unbelievably fun.

Lack of narrative does kind of put it behind S3&K in some ways, but I think it does general gameplay better (there's no nasty shit like Sandopolis or Marble Garden) to make up for that so honestly I'd put them right next to each other and say they both do different things well in equally great ways.
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>>201769860
not that anon but the classic games had plenty of setpieces like the snowboard part in Ice Cap Zone in S3&K where you literally do nothing or that part where you do nothing but hold right to avoid getting hit with bombs being dropped by Eggman's airship at the end of Angel Island Zone. These are very shallow gameplay experiences but they're still important because they add atmosphere and get the player invested in what's going on in the game
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>>201770395
>I hope Ian makes some good characters in the new comic because I'm really going to miss the post-reboot OCs.
You're a faggot for liking cringy comic book stories with furry sex symbols that made Sonic into a joke for the last decade
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>>201768553
100% this. Time Twisted was the best 2D Sonic since S3&K, fact.
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So uh, I was bored yet again so i doubled number of levels and tried to draw with little more detail. (Which meant i had to use images from google as a reference rip)

New stages:
6. Sewage Pump (Sewer themed)
11. Lantern Festival (East Asian/City themed)
12. Metro Marathon (Metro themed)
13. Champion Hallway (Stadium themed)
14. Tune Record (Music/City themed)
15. Funhouse Assembly (Construction/Carnival themed)
16. Hyacinth Relic (Ancient Ruins/Flower themed)
17. Graphic Scribble (Drawing themed)
18. Fructose Rush (Sweets themed)
19. Ticking Hour (Clock Dimension themed)
20. Prysm Pantheon (Ancient Ruins/Water/Underground/Colorful themed)
21. Warm Garden (Desert/Oasis themed)
23. Jewel Cut (Crystal Cave themed)
28. Domino Network (Domino/Cyberspace themed)

I'm thought about Autumn, Bath and Supermarket themed stages too but they couldnt fit so rip.
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>>201770395
Is S3K's story cringy? Because I fucking love that story and I wish more Sonic games had stories like it.

>made Sonic into a joke for the last decade
What world are you living on? We've had nothing but trash stories from Pontaff since 2010. Stop fucking living in 2006.

>dislikes """cringy""" stories but likes archie
Please die

>>201770686
I was the anon that said that and I wouldn't go that far. It's got problems, I just appreciate the attempt at spectacle. In fact, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
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>>201770839
neat.

number 1, 7, 8, 15, 24, 25, 26, 28 and 30 are cool
(although some are strikingly-similar to already existing stages)
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>>201770854
Not sarcastic, just bored. Time Twisted had problems, sure, but it was trying and felt like the Sonic I used to know in the 90s. I had no love for the Advance series.

>>201770395
>muh respectable storiline
I'd have Metal Gear Sonic over Sonic 3 and Knack every time, fuck off
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>>201770854
The "you like Archie please die" part is retarded, but I do agree that it's kinda hard to talk about "the cringy stories made Sonic a joke for the last decade," when the majority of stories in the last decade has been bare bones at best.

And personally speaking, I loved Sonic Mania, but I'm not gonna excuse it's shortcomings in terms of both gameplay & story. The game needed more narrative than what they did (& by that, I mean not drop level transitions halfway through the fucking game), some levels like Flying Battery & Lava Reef did absolutely nothing for me & the final boss was weak as fuck. I still enjoy it, but it falls behind 3&K as an total package
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>>201770435
>both games do different things well in equally great ways
This is the correct answer. S3&K and Mania are literally on exactly the same level to me.
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>>201771202
I've never even read Archie, I don't care if people like Archie, but liking a buncha furry OCs and a comic series that for a long period of time was a furry dating romance and then complaining about SA1, 2, and Unleashed's stories being cringeworthy is fucking retarded. All the cringey fanfiction that normies laugh at wouldn't exist without the Archie comics, pre-reboot and post.
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>>201771702
but nicole is so fucking hot did you see all the nicole spam from a few threads ago. there's nothing wrong with archiefags. It's the storyfags who ruined sonic
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>>201771702
>thinking the comics had a significant impact when compared to the early 3d games on how people perceive the franchise
The truth is that even inside the Sonic fandom most people don't give a shit about the comics.
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>>201772191
I CAN'T EVEN TELL IF YOU'RE JOKING
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO US
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>201771702
>then complaining about SA1, 2, and Unleashed's stories being cringeworthy
That post never even mentioned the Adventure games or Unleashed. I'm pretty sure he was referring to Time Twisted. And post-reboot Archie (which was the only one brought up) didn't have shit as cringy as say, 06 or Shadow.

>All the cringey fanfiction that normies laugh at wouldn't exist without the Archie comics
90% of the shit fanfiction is centered around the games, with the closest ties to Archie being Sally in SonAmy fics.

Not even an Archie-onlyfag, either. When the preboot comics got bad, it was about as bad or even worse than 06 or Shadow, but the post-reboot era really didn't have much to complain about in terms of edgy shit.
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>>201769993
He didn't help anything though.
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>>201772278
Meant to add: Hell, one of the biggest complaints some people had about the reboot was that it played itself safe for the most part.
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>>201770161
>Gameplay and setpieces aren't mutually exclusive. S3K had setpieces, like holding right in hydrocity, watching an ingame cutscene in Ice Cap, jumping onto thing and watching thing happen in Sandopoilis
Modernfags and their ideas of "level design"
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>>201772261
>>201772278
Truth be told, I haven't read a lot of fanfiction, the only few I did read were based around the comics/SatAM. I guess I just assumed the rest were too.

I don't really see how Time Twisted's story is edgy. I mean, there's a little bit of gore at the end and Eggman fucking dying is a little bit fanfiction-y, but it's not super impressed with itself like Shadow and 06. I think the surface-level tone is more important than themes. SA2 has dark themes, but the tone properly escalates and it keeps from being cringey, at least to me.
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>>201770839
>grid of autism
Ebin
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>>201772784
>Gameplay like every single speedy part of any classic game being "hold down" and maybe jump once
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>>201773059
Funny enough, this does remind me of how some non-Sonic fans would shit on the whole series (both Modern & Classic) as just "hold right to win."
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>>201773236
They weren't wrong. Even bing bing wahoo makes the player jump every now and then while holding right.
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>>201773059
The classic games' speedy bits feel less automated because they ultimately still play into Sonic's physics and the way he controls. With Adventure, all the speedy bits are automated by boost pads and don't have a feeling of momentum, like I actually hit that speed naturally. With boost, it's the same way, except you're hitting a button. Even when a Classic game drops you in front of a boost pad, the physics and acceleration make it feels like a really natural (and fun!) process.

Not that that excuses things for people who don't like automaton, but there's definitely some additional merit in the way the Genesis games handle it.
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>>201773326
I mean, there's something to be said about too much automation in Sonic, but that's more of a problem of SEGA not handling speedy bits more naturally & relying on boost pads, which takes control away from the player.
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>>201773236
I like the classics (not so much 1 and 2, but 3K and CD are cool), but I don't like how all the speed is automated for the most part. I mean, Chemical Plant is a fast level, but how much of that speed is actually being used for interesting level design?

People saying that Sonic is hold right to win are fucking retarded, though. The super fast parts might be automated but there's a lot to explore.

>>201773562
I totally agree, the classic games' automation are better than the adventure games' automation, but it's still automation. That automation is mostly necessary in 2D, automation isn't always a bad thing, but in 3D, it's real, real easy to go super, super fast and have it in the player's control. That's why I like Green Hill Paradise Act 2. While going super fast, you still have control, because you can see where you're going. Kinda why I don't give a shit about SEGA making 2D games again. Why? 3D, for this kind of playstyle, is superior, because it can be entirely in the player's control. But instead of doing that, they make it even more automated because they're garbage at making games. When (more like if) a 3D Sonic game successfully implements physics and speed without automation, 2D Sonic will be irrelevant.
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>>201774128
>2D Sonic will be irrelevant.
Modernfags being delusional as usual
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>>201770161
There aren't fans anymore, they got a wife, kids and a job. Only left are autists who whine about muh momentum.
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>>201775119
>modernfag
>wants a good 3d sonic game with momentum, physics, and no automation
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>>201768553
you mean the one where eggman becomes galactus and the bosses are more like mega man characters?

Nah, I'm sorry, it is a nice fangame, and for people like me who love CD's style it's really nice, but I still think Mania gives me that feeling of a fun, casual sonic game, especially like S&3K with the loose story telling.

Time Twisted is a nice fangame but it feels clunky and old compared to Mania.
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>>201768407
Classic Sonic is all 2D. Modern Sonic goes between 3D and 2D. This means that there is more than 50% 2D. Therefore it's a more of a 2D Sonic game than a 3D Sonic game. It's really not that hard to understand.

>>201770079
I like it as well.
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So, When is Eggman gonna win so we can end this series?
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>>201777549
he won in Forces
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>>201777087
Lumping two different gameplays to get a high percentage is bollocks. A gameplay is not measured in the amount of 2D or 3D levels but the general philosophy, and the Modern stages were shaped by a precise idea of what a 3D Sonic stage should have been, to such point that the game was mentioned as how 3D Sonic games should be in the future. Therefore, claiming it's a even mainly 2D Sonic game makes no sense.

It's really not that hard to understand.
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>>201777639
That's a fair way to look at it, I suppose. I guess I'm just butthurt at the sheer amount of side-scrolling sections in Modern Sonic games when Boost is so thrilling when it's actually in 3D. Seaside Hill in Generations, for instance. It's sublime.
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>>201776952
>casual
*barf*
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>>201776952
Mania probably has better gameplay, yeah, the drop dash is great and the level design is good. But what do you mean "loose story telling"? Mania has no fuckin story, really, or at least not an interesting one. Eggman did bad thing, has robot henchmen, go stop Eggman. Only other thing is the Forces tie-in which most people choose to ignore. It also really hurts that they just stop doing level transistions half way through, it makes the game feel really rushed.

You don't need a complicated story to make it interesting, but it helps. S3K's story is the gold standard in my opinion. Death Egg's crash landed on Angel Island, a previously floating island that has just fell into the ocean, new guy Knuckles shows up, he's the guardian of the island, and he takes Sonic's chaos emeralds and runs off, Sonic heads off after Eggman when the Death Egg's launch fails, Sonic fights Knuckles and wins, Knuckles realizes he got fuckled, helps Sonic, Sonic goes up to the Death Egg and kicks Eggman's ass. Boom, twists and turns, world building.

I didn't even mention the master emerald or the Lava Reef wall paintings, both of which would turn out to be significant in the Adventure games. S3K added a ton of shit to the lore and the world, and would be followed up on later. It introduced fuckin' KNUCKLES, one of the best characters in the series! What does Mania follow up on or set up? The phantom ruby, the meaningless shitheap that will never be brought up again? Classic Sonic being in Forces? Fuckin' trash.

I like Mania, I swear.
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>>201777863
City Escape Gens > Seaside Hill Gens
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>>201777991
I respect your opinion. Fine taste.
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>>201777863
I totally agree here, and I wish Sega tried seriously while making a Sonic game instead of relying on a high release rate of shallow titles. Seaside Hill is a the perfect example of a 3D Sonic level that doesn't feel like "a highway atop the Void", something that could describe what Forces was.
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>>201777892
stop being gay, I don't take sonic games too seriously, they are typically just good, simple fun.
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>>201777989
Okay, I will admit, you have a point there.
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>>201778097
Yep. Pretty insulting that SEGA tried to make us think Sonic Team spent four fucking years making a game that can be beat in the blink of an eye.
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>>201777989
Mania has no buildup. When I first visited Lava Reef in S3&K, I really felt I stumbled on a wonderful and secret place somewhere under Sandopolis. When I replayed the level in Mania, despite the music and the gorgeous mix between QQ and Lava Reef, I felt nothing.
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Can we talk about CD's music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTWnxQD5_sw&t=49s

I don't know why I'm so hooked onto it, it's use of sampling is just so awesome
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>>201778587
I generally prefer rock n' roll music in Sonic, like the soundtracks in SA2 and Heroes, but CD's soundtrack is fucking SUBLIME. Metallic Madness Present JP, Whacky Workbench Bad Future JP, Stardust Speedway Bad Future JP, Stardust Speedway Good Future US, and Sonic Boom are all fantastic songs, and the rest is really great as well.
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>I felt nothing
Anon...
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>>201779010
Mighta felt something if a buncha fags didn't put all the fucking level themes in their god damn thumbnails before the game was out on PC. Seriously, that PC delay ruined Mania's impact on me. It's like another anon said near before release, it's like Christmas morning and watching a bunch of other kids open their presents with glee, then getting your present a week later. Sure, it's what you wanted, and you're grateful, but the impact is lost, you feel nothing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQ2vyQDryY
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>>201779369
Why don't you have a console?
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>>201779904
Decided not to for the 8th generation and instead get my first gaming PC. I mainly made the right decision, I think, not a lot of games I'm interested in are on the Xbox One or PS4. I might get a Switch later on but I don't really care about Nintendo games that much, I'll wait till that version of Smash Bros. is out. Mania was the one time not having a console came back to bite me.
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Would Sonic Retro collapse if Mania 2 used modern Sonic designs?
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>>201780747
Probably not, but there would be some very, very angry autists.
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>>201780747
maybe. I personally refuse to buy a game that has Sonic's shitty modern design in it, except for the Super Smash Brothers games.
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>>201780908
Why are you here?
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>>201781009
He's a fan of classic Sonic. I for one, would never have autism so crippling that the color of Sonic's eyes would determine whether or not I'd buy the games, but sadly, some people like that exist. Or, he's just shitposting looking for (You)s.
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>>201780747
Probably. Not gonna happen though because Whitehead is a classicfag.

"Christian Whitehead, hired by Sega to remaster the first two Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis titles for mobile by rewriting the game’s source code using his "Retro Engine," believes that the character’s leap to 3-D had more of a detrimental effect on the series in the long run.

"I think the evolution has come by necessity," Whitehead says, "starting with the obvious big change to 3-D, and then responding to various issues 3-D has presented in the subsequent titles." As the years go on, and more games come out, Whitehead feels this change has showed cracks in its foundation.

"The impetus for Sonic's redesign stemmed from a — perhaps misplaced — desire to continue to push Sonic as a AAA brand," Whitehead continues."

From this shitty article: https://www.polygon.com/2016/2/8/10756318/sonic-the-hedgehog-great-rocky-history
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>>201780908
Stop baiting, nigga.
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>>201781186
>Whitehead is a classicfag
Anon pls.

>"I’m a fan of Sonic Adventure, and some of the other 3D games. There was a period where, at least in Australia, no new Sonic games were coming out. From the Dreamcast onward, that’s a whole new generation of fans that were brought into the series. When you get into the later games in the series, like Rush and Colors, I view those more as a platformer mixed with a racing game, rather than a pure platformer. There’s a lot of focus on drift mechanics and traveling at a high speed. The core game in Sonic Mania basically sticks to that classic formula, but, in particular, the 3D Special Stages take inspiration from the newer games. We wanted to capture that sense of speed, because when you go from 2D to 3D, you have to move a lot faster to create that sense of speed. In a technical sense, those Special Stages really just shift the axis, where you have to worry about left and right rather than up and down. It’s definitely a source of inspiration, along with Sega’s Nineties racing games, like Daytona USA."

>Q: Were there any serious discussions about bringing in some of the newer characters from games past Sonic 3 and Knuckles, such as Shadow, the supposed “ultimate lifeform?”

>A: "Really, what it comes down to is general scope. There’s only so much you can do within a particular time frame. Even with just three characters, you can access different parts of the stage because of their unique abilities - Tails can fly, for instance. I’m not against adding in the new characters - I think they’re cool - I think there’s potentially a lot of things you could do with it…"
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I didn't buy Mania right away because I already got my Classic Sonic fix from Sonic 4 Episode 2, Sonic Before the Sequel, and Sonic Generations.

It is better, but not terribly different.
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I personally think Mania is the best Sonic game, as it mixes up both CD and 3K level designs.

That being said, S3K is the best one in terms of atmosphere, the whole way up to the Death Egg is spectacular.
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>>201781186
>"The impetus for Sonic's redesign stemmed from a — perhaps misplaced — desire to continue to push Sonic as a AAA brand," Whitehead continues."
ah so even based whitehead agrees that sonic's modern design is shit and a 3D sonic was a mistake
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>>201781430
Shadow in the classic artstyle looks fucking disgusting. Shadow would have to take Sonic's proportions, since he's supposed to be his counterpart, and chubby Shadow with short spines looks horrible. The characters after S3K were designed with the contemporary artstyle in mind, and just look bad when put into the classic artstyle.
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>>201781447
>Classic Sonic fix from Sonic 4 Episode 2, Sonic Before the Sequel, and Sonic Generations
*Advance Sonic fix
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>Modern Sonic is shit and his games are shit and Sonic only works in 2D
Admit that this franchise isn't for you anymore and move the fuck on, please.
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>>201781586
>I personally think Mania is the best Sonic game
Sonic Retro...
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>>201782065
Who are you responding to?
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>>201781874
I believe Whitehead's point is that he has no problem using the Modern designs. It's just a matter of how can they make it work & if they'd be able to make them playable within the timeframe they have to make the game.

>>201781837
He's a fan of Sonic Adventure & the Special Stages in Mania was inspired by the recent Modern Sonic games. Try harder, anon.
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>>201782009
I legit prefer Advance Sonic to Classic Sonic, the only thing Classic Sonic has over Advance is better level design, advance Sonic has more options leading to more ways to interact with the game.
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>>201782096
You got me.

Nah, I fucking love Adventures and Heroes, and shit like Riders.

Not a fan of boost though, although Colours is neat.
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>>201778818
Where's the "link down here"? MUST SEE.
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so since sonic characters are pretty much mostly dragon ball characters like
>Sonic = Goku
>Shadow = Virginia
>Silver = Trunks
>Metal Sonic = Cell
>Chaos = Buu
>Gemerl = Android 16 (maybe)
who is Zamasu, who is Broly, and who is Jiren?
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>>201782179
The Mania promo art was inspired by Heroes.
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>>201782179
designs & characters* But yeah, him & Stealth have gone on record stating they like Modern Sonic games & characters. It's just that they have a certain fondness for the classic style as that was one that initially made them a fan of the series.
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>>201782065
2D is the future of Sonic and you know. 3D Sonic is dead.
>oh by nakamura-san said 3D Sonic isn't going anywhere and
kill yourself. You know what's coming. You know it's 2.5D.
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Reminder that Our Lord and Savior, the true creator and father of Knuckles the Echidna, and the savior of the Sonic series, Ken Penders, made a character creator years before SEGA.

Are you a bad enough Echidna to use Ken Penders' version?
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>>201782347
Stealth does not like the Boost gameplay at all.
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>>201782194
Yeah, I hope future 2D games take advantage of the innovations the advance games brought us, like boost mode, tag-teams, and ACTUALLY GOOD CO-OP THAT ISN'T GARBAGE WHERE TAILS GOES OFF THE SCREEN CONSTANTLY SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK WHITEHEAD WHY DID YOU NOT FIX THIS IT WAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH SONIC 2 AND 3 AND YOU IGNORED IT WE COULD'VE HAD A GREAT CO-OP GAME HERE AND YOU FUCKED IT BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO CODE IN SPLIT SCREEN OR NEW SUPER MARIO BROS CAMERA SHIFTING FOR 2 PLAYERS EVEN FUCKING SONIC 4 EPISODE 2 DID THAT YOU FUCK AHHHHHHHHHHH
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What would happen if Sonic killed Chaos and drank him?
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The only person on Mania's dev team that hates modern is Slingerland, and he's just a level designer.
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>>201782435
What in gods name is with Tails' hair?

>>201782515
He's a fan of the 3D Sonic games.
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>>201782435
Good lord, those fucking limbs.
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>>201781430
>SEGA should have stopped making Sonic highly profitable

What is with these Classicfags and actively wanting the series to have less success?
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>>201782662
>he's just a level designer.
No wonder he hates modern.
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Hope I'm not interrupting some quality shitposting. Just wanted to ensure that you knew about the definitive build for today:
>All characters now feature Sonic's more recent camera changes
>A small bug regarding Shadow's Spin Dash dust has been fixed
>Music has been removed temporarily so testers don't have to hear the same repetitive music each time they want to test new features, or take screenshots.

Pick it up in the feedback sheet and get on it. The sooner this final set of tests are out of the way the sooner I can make a proper test level, get everything sorted and ready for the tentative launch of the Bumper Engine V1.0.

We've certainly come a long way since Birthday Bash Zone, eh?
Now, get on this shit already. I need testers and I need lots of 'em if this shindig is going down.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yg4kwxlaVrxnoc6Vqo7cfFAPt7CFAg4DTYXeD03W2jI/edit?usp=sharing
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Ey friends streaming some Sonic related art shit.
Maybe i'll take a request after or draw more Sonic stuff.Stop by if your bored
https://picarto.tv/GeekofLove
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>>201782697
Yeah, he likes the Adventure era games. It is blatantly obvious he likes it due to his fan project Sonic Megamix essentially being Sonic Adventure 2D.
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Show me on the diagram where the spines should come out of.
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>>201782760
Not even the worst of Penders' artistic talent.
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>>201782856
>Music has been removed
BOO. Seriously tho, I'm excited to give this new build a whirl. I'll be sure to take some screenshots & maybe some WebMs.

>>201782869
Nice!
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>>201782697
How do you know what his opinion is? Are you him?
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>>201782856
Do you have it in your game that jumping slows you down? It was a good change the Adventure games provided to make platforming easier and to avoid allowing players to dodge obstacles/break levels.
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>>201782869
Global rule 11
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>>201783029
He said in an interview his favorite non-classic game is Adventure.
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>>201673990
TGT is not about tails though
And tails is kind of lame in it
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>>201782964
Does he not know how hair works? Or how anything works? Lord almighty.
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>>201782869
Cute Sonic.

>>201782962
W-what are you planning?
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>>201782827
He says that Adventure is a terrible game and that Colors is better than it.
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>>201783167
That post is from yesterday, anon.
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>>201783306
What a fag.
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>>201783247
Just one of those MS Paint games, like the "save the princess from the monster" kinds of things.
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>>201783410
Ah. Put them high up on the back, then.
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http://soahcity.com/2016/04/08/sega-the-overprotective-parent/
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>>201783318
I'm always here, which is unfortunate for my sanity I tell you what.

>>201783167
Tails getting Trolled is the whole catalyst for the events that follow. Also, it's a revenge story starring Tails, although I will admit Shadow takes up more time.

>Tails is kind of lame in it.
I will fight you, learn how a character training arc is meant to go.
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Why does Amy not have spines?
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>>201783669
She had them in her Classic design. I only imagine that she cut them off the older she got. Makes you wonder how painful that must've been
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>>201783669
Same reason she can't go super, she's a girl.
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>>201783018
>Webms
Do it. Not enough people have posted them actually playing. I would love to see that.

>>201783063
Not quite in the same that Adventure does it, no. What it does have, though, is substantial air control which should help with platforming
>Players able to break levels
As long as the levels that you create are built around Sonic retaining his momentum after jumping than that shouldn't be an issue. Of course, if you don't like it you can change it after the fact!

>>201783491
I concur. Near the shoulder-blades.
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>>201783136
kill yourself
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>>201783539
>Soah City
Thanks for reminding me of my cringey teenage years.
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>>201784018
Not everyone you're replying to is the same person, anon.
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>>201784179
I'm not the anon you were replying to either.
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>>201784253
Nor am I!
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>>201784340
Who are you?
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>>201784368
Who are YOU?
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>>201784485
I'm your prom date you ugly sack of SHIT!
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>>201782331
>Zamasu = Currently nonexistent character for when Nakamura fools SEGA into letting him make a Silver game. Mephiles is slightly similar to Black, but I don't think he really fits that role.
>Broly = Infinite. He's also a weak crybaby who is supposed to be the overpowered. Longboi monster illusions just like Broly has his Bio Broly clone too. However, he doesn't fit with the Saiyan=Hedgehog comparison.
>16 = Gamma, not Gemerl
I don't think any Sonic characters are close to being Jiren though.

>>201783167
Tails has a clear character arc throughout the series, with the focus clearly shifting back to him after the weed party ended, the payoff after 20 chapters of buildup. Tails doing stuff never happened because Lazerbot canned the comic soon afterwards after fucking around trying to "George Lucas" the first chapter. At least the Coyote VS Demaro fight has a written conclusion.
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>>201784557
YOU'RE LYING, YOU WEAK FUCKING SISTER!
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>>201757051
>check most recent dokidoki thread out of curiosity
>see >>201782378
Wow, I can’t believe /OurKitsune/ has literally risen from the dead.
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>>201782435
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>the bosses in Sonic Rush
who the fuck thought this was okay
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>>201784772
That's some good shit anon. Penders would be proud.
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>>201782065
^this
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>>201784725
>that one anon explaining who Sparky is
>”fuck we’re stuck with this guy”
Kek, funnier than it has business being.
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>>201787247
I didn't even know there were more than 10 Sonic memes
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>>201782856
Thing I noticed:
Because of how you made it so when falling the camera pans down sooner, when doing a full-sized neutral jump the camera quickly snaps down half-a-second before hitting the ground.
It’s also there when doing a second bounce and onward.
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Controversial opinion, I don't like people wanting Sonic's friends to be heavy clones of him. I think their differences are a part of their character and just making them "Sonic, but one thing different" kind of takes away some the charm of playing as different characters.
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>>201787727
To add on to this, I noticed when charging the dropdash, the camera doesn’t pan down at all.
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>>201787727
>>201787991
That is interesting about the Drop Dash. Perhaps the auto-pan should happen just a little later. Thanks for playing!
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>>201684803
It's those easily read facial expressions and flawless character traits. Basically every second you spend being a Sonic fan you're subjecting yourself to entertaining concepts that only need synapses in the low maintenance parts of your brain.

In other words, man Sonic is so cool I wish I was that awesome.
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>>201787386
Are you new?
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>>201787761
I don't think that's all that controversial. Knuckles and Rouge played similar to Sonic and had good controls in the Advenure games; Knuckles' levels in SA1 even had Tikal there in case you got tired of actually looking for emerald shards. Gamma was pretty fun, too.
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It feels great to be on /sthg/after a few weeks of great misfortune. You guys are truly the best.

Got from the funeral a few days ago. Light of Hope is being worked once more.
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>24 hour threads
wew lads
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>>201784923
i remember actually being stuck on the second boss for weeks
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>>201788412
Funeral? Who died?
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I still think SEGA should try making a sandbox Sonic game, it would be an easy way to test out their mechanics without needing to worry about solid level design.

Sandbox level design also allows you to have multiple varied characters that all play differently, but can share the same stages.
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>>201762436
>Infinite has a personality.
Yeah, no
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>>201788412
Hopefully you're doing well, mate.

>>201788439
Oh yeah, we've slowed down a lot lately. Feels good, man.
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Tge real spirit of Sonic is in 3D, classicfags aren't real fans. Prove me wrong.
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>>201788770
Maria obviously.
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I want Heavy Magician to vore me!
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>>201787761
>Shit: the opinion
Sonic games are about speed and platforming and Sonic is always the perfect character template that his friends should be based on, like in Advance.
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>>201788770
Who cares
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>>201788770
The Sonic Franchise
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>>201788770
I made a single post New Year’s Eve, but it was one of my cousins. We weren’t close but still, family so we all went. Came out of nowhere, but we’re taking it one day at a time. I’m doing a lot better though.

Glad to see slower, comfy threads. Maybe more opportunities for idea pitches in the weeks to come. Anyways, sleeps.
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>>201790114
Glad to hear you're doing better, m8. yadda yadda yadda insert subcribed shitpost here

>slower, comfy threads.
This reminds me: When was the last time this general went so damn slow? It definitely wasn't during the pre-Mania hype around summer, but it feels like ages since /sthg/ started having 24 hour threads again.
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Discuss
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>>201790962
Shadow has a nice smile
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>>201790340
Before Mania and Forces were announced we had very slow threads.
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>>201790962
Sick
disgusting
ew
no
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>>201790962
Ruins the palette.
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>>201790340
It sounds like you must have started here around then.
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>>201782435
Am I doing it right?
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>>201791068
But you had Sonic Boom
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>>201791367
I want XUKNSLECK to come to my house and pour hot glue into my eyes an mouth, giving me the slow, painful death that I've always dreamed of!
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>>201782856
I’m to assume Shadow has those high-speed clouds alongside the speedlines because “lol hover skates”?
But seriously man, you’re doing a fantastic job. Keep it up.
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Oh look, it's eggman! He sure does look happy, it's probably because he's got a date, a blind date, but a date nonetheless.

How should he get ready for his date?
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>>201792513
He should prepare a bowl of eggs for the lady.
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>>201792513
By putting on his military jacket and goggles, first of all. Then adding some more hair spray to his mustache.
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>>201792513
He should wear CWC's classic blue and red striped shirt. It's a real hit with the ladies.
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>>201792513
Bring a roboticizer. If things don't go well, then he'll at least have a new servant.
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>>201792513
bathe in Axe and put on his finest suit
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>>201790962
Please delete this
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>>201792770
Fest
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Start liking Sonic Heroes right now
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>>201792770
>damn, not here
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>>201692589
Because Sonic heroes is one of the closest of the "dreamcast" era to being a "classic" styled game.
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Shadow can teleport at will.
Doesn't that make him faster than Sonic?
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>>201793647
Sorry Heroesbab, but Tails and the Music Maker is objectively the best Sonic game ever created. Heroes isn't even close to matching it's level of quality.
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>>201793892
Nah. It's not his speed, he's using the chaos emerald to wa-
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>>201794016
Why does the Sega Pico even exist? It's not like the games were actually educational.
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I think we can all agree that classic Tails has a much better design than his modern self.
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>>201793892
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>>201793892
Shadow both has higher movement speed than Sonic and can teleport as well.
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>>201792371
>>201792770
Oh huh. He does still have the trail clouds.
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>>201794342
Truly the best boy.
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>>201793892
shadow is literally just as fast as sonic while he wears his inhibitor rings
meaning if he takes them off hes faster
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>>201794342
>higher movement speed
H A
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>>201794889
SHITTY AND NONCANON FAGGOT
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>>201794234
Being the first internationally released "educational" console has it's benefits. It was easy money for SEGA to make due to no competition until the leapster or whatever came out in the early 2000s. It was also a way for them to repurpose leftover Genesis hardware, as it was mostly the same internally, except it for it lacking the Zilog Z80 microprocessor and YM2612 sound chip.
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>>201793158
Good idea
>>201793164
Your scent is heavily overbearing now
>>201792761
You swear this suit always makes you look slimmer, anyways, onto your date!
>>201792891
let's not go there.
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>>201794957
You're comparing yourself to ME?
HAH!
You're not even worthy of being my fake/
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>>201795321
I meant the adventure esque jacket but damn, I cannot deny that Eggman's Boom jacket makes for some dashing formalwear. Good decision.
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>>201795393
I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS
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>>201794342
If that's the case how come every time Sonic fights Shadow in a canonical, Sonic wins?

And if you consider Shadow the Hedgehog canon you also consider Shadow being half alien dildo canon, plus pic related
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>>201782869
Thanks for stoppin by friends. I haven't finished yet but I still had fun. Maybe i'll stream more soon.
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>>201795590
circumstance, shadow is canonically bettersonic
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>>201795675
No problem. You do some great work
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>>201795685
Why's he so gay, then? Answer that one, smart guy.
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>>201795590
All the candy he steals from children slow him down.
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>>201795824
Where's he keep it?
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>>201795590
It's called plot armor. We've been over this before, Sonic is the main character and so he has main character immunity. He's not allowed to lose by the narrative.

Why do you think Shadow just disappeared for months after Episode Shadow? Because there was a real reason? No, it was because Sonic Team can't write for shit and the story had to set up Sonic for victory because he's the one who's supposed to save the day even though Shadow could have done it without him.
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>>201795787
cause boipussy is the ultimate fetish
hes fucked both silver and sonic, and most recently he pounded out a pathetic weak boy
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>>201795989
Shadow disappeared because he wasn't strong enough to defeat Infinite. When you meet up with him, he expresses total pessimism about the whole situation.
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>>201795989
Nah senpai. Sonic wins because Shadow be a bitch ass nigga. If he was so powerful he woulda beat dat ass of the GUN soldier who shot Maria but nah, he be SHIT yo.
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>>201796091
>wasnt strong enough to defeat infinite
>but the power of me and my best friend sonic holding hands is enough

yeah fucking right, shadow is a hardcore mary sue whos faster, stronger, and has more abilities than sonic and only plot armor is what gives sonic the edge over shadman
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>>201795321
Alright, you've arrived at the restaurant, and with minimal casualties on the way!

You ask the man at the front if a person came here waiting for a "Dashing Genius", and he points to a table in the middle of all the ruckus and commotion of this popping venue.

...
Oh god.

Usually life isn't really in your favor but this is just rude.
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Silver is more powerful than Shadow and Sonic combined. Prove me wrong.
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>>201796259
Sonic wins because of plot armor, Shadow's cooler, faster, and better in every way because the writers are stupid faggots who can't write characters properly and don't care about consistency. Glad we could reach an understanding.
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>>201796568
Shut the fuck up, Silver.
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>>201796568
If that's the case than Buddy is stronger than Shadow, Sonic and Silver.
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>>201796591
t. Iizuka
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>>201796719
>a donut steel is the strongest character
Of course.
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>>201796797
Iizuka loves Shadow tho.
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>>201796568
>slow as shit
>sissy
>dimension cucked out of his only love interest
>got his ass handed to him by shadow just like infinite

to be honest shadows chaos control is just fucking badass

>>201796591
yeah
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>mfw sonic team decided to release forces just months after mania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pkLvfFZnPk
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>>201796370
It's that FUCKING asshole who loves to ruin everything you do, is this his new way of shitting on your day? Probably, what a dick!

What the hell should you even do at this point?
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Froggy is more powerful than Shadow, Sonic, and Silver combined. Prove me wrong.
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>>201797217
Fuck him to assert dominance
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>>201797217
Bully the living shit out of that rat
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>>201797064
You mean the filthy gaijins decided to release their nostalgia pandering trash just months before the glorious nippon kino known as Forces.
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>>201797217
Be nice to him and see if you can get a free meal tonight. Sonic is a gentleman
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>>201797217
get back at him the best way possible

use one of your gadgets to make yourself into a hot babe and right at the perfect moment turn back just to watch the look of horror on his face
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>>201797217
I don't like where this is going
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>>201797217
Insert eggs into his anus and throw eggshell pieces into his eyes.
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>>201794295
Classic Tails looks too generic to me, I actually find his Satam design more appealing. I like modern Tails, but Boom is his best incarnation if you ask me.
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>>201796568
He probably has the potential to be eventually but right now he's inexperienced. Psychokinesis is one hell of an OP power.

>>201796719
The avatar is the strongest because he's the avatar.
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>>201797861
You mean in design, right?
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>>201790962
Maria is in control.
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>>201795590
The final story in SA2 only happens because Sonic lost that fight at the end of Dark side.
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>>201795946
In his back, same place where they store Emeralds.
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>>201795946
He has a pocket dimension inside his chest hair.
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>>201798007
Yeah. Although BoomTails is better than nuTails in personality, cartoon Tails has them both beat. And Classic Tails beats themall in gameplay.
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Every victory Sonic has ever had is because of plot armor. Sonic is the shittiest character ever made, and all his friends easily outrank him.
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Games Sonic with plot armor VS Penders Knuckles with plot armor
Who wins?
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>>201798798
fuck you. Sonic is strong and doesn't need your approval
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>>201798798
This.
Fastest thing alive? Even Eggman is faster than him.
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>Honey literally does the Afterimage Strike
fucking kek
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>>201798798
but do they outrank him when it comes to being a good friend

>>201798924
sonic loses initially but immediately bounces back per sega mandates
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>>201797292
>>201797293
Of course, this is the most reasonable course of action!
>>201797375
Be nice to the rat? bleh.
>>201797376
That would be kinda gay.
>>201797454
close enough

You stomp up behind that piece of shit, and he finally stops humming some dumb tune.

>"wha- Eggman!? Was this a trick t-"

Before he can finish, you inser- I mean, assert your dominance to that fucker the only way you were taught to! Then you bully him for good measure, which he replies to with what you can assume are cries of failure as your genius trumps his plan to ruin your date.

Ummmm... What next?
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I get the impression that many classicfags are embarrassed to like Sonic because it is a franchise clearly with children as the primary demographic. I see something like Mania being appealing to children because of its strong gameplay, but none of the other aspects grab them.

I mean can anyone find me a Classicfag who would honestly tell me the cartoons of that era weren't the exact type of cringe? Or even the Man of the Year short that came with Sonic Jam?

I think Mania is the most tangible equivalent to nostalgia goggles ever made.
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>>201799686
>Fucked & bullied by Eggman
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>>201799837
Like I look at these folks and get the impression that they never understood what Sonic was or why he was an icon in the first place or even actively despise it.
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www.strawpoll.me/14832241
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Requesting some simple ideas to draw, no lewd or romance.
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These two are soulmates, romantic or not.
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>>201800461
Sonic brutally stabbing Shadow. Or the other way around, if you'd prefer.
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>>201800461
Big the Cat and Omega having a fist fight.
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>>201800461
Shadow looking at Classic with an utterly perplexed expression
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>>201800461
Honey the Cat undoing her twintails.
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>>201800461
Blaze crying.
I have issues I think?
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>>201800556
Kid Shadow holding water pistol
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>>201800461
Goku Black and Zamasu as Sonic Worldians/Mobians. Goku Black would literally be Sonic, but make Zamasu as whatever species you want.
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>>201800461
Sonic having a great day today
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Would you say that the number of memes a Sonic story spawns is usually a good sign?
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>>201801481
I love memes.
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>that time Eggman got caught calling Green Hill a "shithole zone"
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>>201801481
>>201801554
Sanic! Lol. GOTTA GO FAST
de wey de wey de wey
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>>201801635
Are you having a stroke?
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>>201801675
I think so. Poor anon
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>>201800461
Tails reading a book that includes a hedgehog recipe, while Sonic walks by without noticing.
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>>201800461
>>201800759
Add to this with Blaze crying tears made of fire.
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Would Rise of Lyric's dialogue be remembered more fondly if the gameplay was 8/10 quality?
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>>201802163
I thought most people who played it thought the dialogue was annoying
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>>201802163
It could be 12/10 in all aspects both alone and all together. People would still use it as evidence for "Sonic has never been good". Quit giving a shit what other people think about a thing you like.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrMaevWkadk
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>>201802482
is that english
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>>201802482
Why did the early cartoons always try their best to shove the ugliest art possible into their stuff?
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>>201799686
Welp, I guess this is the ending you guys chose.

The fucking continued until the restaurant burned down from a rogue fire that was started by the large man and some sort of porcupine creature. Authorities are currently on the search for these two, if you see them, please report it to your area's local authorities.
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>>201802643
Tamers's words are beyond mere English anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZ_c8965aw
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>>201802742
Perfect.
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>>201802482
>hot dogs in microwave
is this a joke
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>>201802742
>They all burned to the ground
Well. Fuck.
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>>201727446
I keep holding out hope they'll do new music whenever a new game gets announced
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>>201727446
crush 40 isn't cool anymore. kids don't listen to the rock music.
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>>201803286
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>>201803337
>rock """""""""""""""""music"""""""""""""""""
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>>201782331
Knuckles is Piccolo, Eggman is Freeza

And Tails was probably intended to be a Gohan, but they kind of failed to give him any sort of cool moments, like ever,
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>>201782331
Gamma fits 16 more
>>201805073
I'd say Eggman is closer to Gero and I guess the Eggman Empire is the Red Ribbon army




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