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Last time on /dbfzg/: >>205066630

>Basic mechanics:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rrh_EWca6MB1WUZfjIZ97LYhYspshivHjM352KmZ4g4/edit?usp=sharing

>PS4 and Xbox controls:
https://i.imgur.com/FmZtlvQ.jpg

>PC system requirements:
https://i.imgur.com/Qh9Ie78.jpg

>Characters moves and statistics:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2SSi3eNI9aqekrhRyEOcEp-fnaoh68bO4NF6vlMfQw/edit?usp=sharing

>All assists:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qgi3z7NDatc5vv6eJvA0xzJsyeND8eMIAxUsNZuVpmM/edit

>List of hidden mechanics:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QyuykC4D5zpnOKt_qyn20ZZzO168Az7Suu_ojD4SVWg/preview#

>How to unlock Android 21 and SSGSS Goku and Vegeta:
http://shoryuken.com/2018/01/23/heres-how-to-unlock-ssgss-goku-ssgss-vegeta-and-android-21-in-dragon-ball-fighterz/

>Prima guide:
https://www.primagames.com/games/dragon-ball-fighterz/coverage/dragon-ball-fighterz-guide

>CouchWarriors guide:
https://www.couchwarriors.org/welcome-to-dragonball-fighterz-a-beginners-guide/

>Semi-universal combo route:
[YouTube] [DBFZ] Optimal universal solo combo route for most chars? (No assists, no SB, midscreen)

>Numeric Notation Sheet:
https://i.imgur.com/CsTcCQJ.jpg

>Hitbox/Hurtbox info:
https://pastebin.com/iG5fwJMw

>Network colors (the square next to the name):
https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS/status/959640513669349378

>Ranks and their respective amounts of BP:
https://i.imgur.com/zhwN8jg.png

>Glossary:
https://shoryuken.com/glossary/

>[un]Official Anime Music Pack:
https://mega.nz/#!LIFSwCLY!v-23eKhCAONXjoty_8AitMefS54iVlLBc9-5gLdeVlU
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First for 21 is a shit waifu
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This guy makes everyone mad and now I'm starting to consider him because I can't get a 3rd person down.
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how do i play the gay furries team (black/hit/16)
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>>205168876
He'll improve pretty much any team
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friendly reminder that vegeta assist should only be used during combos/when they're already blocking, otherwise the other person can just deflect/call trunks assist on reaction to the big vegeta face and blow you up
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Super is not canon.

Gohan is the strongest non-fused fighter.
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>https://sites.google.com/view/dbfzhbtchamber/

I finished up the last of the cast and have started updating and optimizing anything out of date. Random tech and videos on setplay/oki and blockstrings are being added as well.
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who would be the most aesthetic pick for a third on a trunks/black team?
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>>205168891
Watch the gay furry play them and take notes
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>>205168876
only makes sub-orange players mad
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>>205169062
16 is the one that makes orange players mad
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>>205169030
SSGSS Vegeta
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>>205168946
I was trying SSB Goku as a 3rd, but I don't like his tackle and his teleport seems a bit slow and I have a feeling I'll be eating 2H. A shame because I like his divekick, and his command grab and his lvl 3 look cool.
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>>205169181
exactly
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>>205169213
I noticed that pretty much every Trunks player pairs him with at least one Vegeta. Myself included
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>>205169213
nobody should ever play this character
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I know Teen Gohan is a meme but are there any players / resources out there showing his potential in the corner? I'm used to getting 5k+ BNBs mid screen via Bomb Loops but I'm struggling to get decent damage in the corner while keeping a HK at the end.
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Beerus is hella scary if people know how to play him. Think he's A tier?
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>Cell gets a hit confirm on me
>Go on a 15s combo roller coaster

Now I remember why I hate anime fighters
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>>205170147
I know the early Japanese tier list has him A tier and Sonicfox has him upper A floating around an S for what his opinion is worth.

He's really well rounded with the 1 caveat that he's a little worse than people though he was initially since his Orbs can be Reflected / Super Dashed through.
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>>205170310
>15 seconds
Combos drop after 10 seconds
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Do really absurd things like that near infinite loop that cell is capable of ever get nerfed in these games? Or do you just have to deal with it and get better?
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Why do some Ring Party things have red names?
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>>205170650
Cell's loop isn't infinite. He can do it twice. Maybe his damage will be nerfed since with that or a mid-screen assist combo he can do almost 5000 easily, but the combo itself isn't the issue.
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Did you know HIT is a bootyeater?!
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>>205170512
>implying thats much better

Shits lame, no ones impressed you memorized some combo that anyone can easily do after a bit of training mode.
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>>205170952
Oh okay
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>>205170650
I presume you're talking about his corner loop? You kind of just have to get used to it - though really broken stuff tends to be toned down eventually. At any rate a really long winded combo is not explicitly better than another - the key points are damage, if it combos into a super / UHC, and if it ends you in a HK state for OKI.

You can also always remind yourself that really long combos are actually forced to end at some point - as the tech window gets bigger and bigger and eventually combos just drop automatically.
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>>205171027
Why are you a fucking light green then?
Do you know anything about fighting games?
Holy fuck Im losing CI just by reading you.
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>>205170472
>Orbs can be Reflected / Super Dashed through
Yes but on the other hand if the opponent is just going to try and superdash through, they can eat a 2H. Good Beerus players won't just throw balls out and not look to bait a dash.
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>>205170147
Beerus is filthy. He only gets a pass because you need a brain to use him.
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>>205171109
Oh of course not - it's just that initially the community thought Beerus was S tier minimum but once the flaws in his orb system became apparent he's settled down into a middling place with most of the cast outside the upper tiers (Cell, 16, A Gohan, Black etc.) and lower tiers (Ginyu, Krillin, Nappa, probably T Gohan etc.)
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>>205168964
I treat Dragon Ball Super like a less interesting Dragon Ball GT, because it definitely is. Super feels really, really desperate at times. GT may have fucked up pretty much everything they tried to do, but at least they didn't go a spree of full-on character assassination for nostalgia wank.
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>>205171109
>>205171524
Orbs should stay on block. I think that would be balanced. Having them unable to be dashed through would be too potent and everyone would use him just to combat superdash meta.
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>>205171627
removing or at least dramatically increasing the time limit on stray orbs probably wouldn't hurt either
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>>205171627
That's an interesting concept, though it may make his 6 orb summon a little overwhelming in a corner pressure situation, maybe if they had 2 ticks on block before disappearing? Idk.
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Where can I find beerus bnb's?
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>>205169181
Can confirm
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>>205171934
youtube or sonicfox earlier matches
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>>205171934
The practice room
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why is goku black so good?
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>>205173359
He doesn't even seem that good. Just easy to use and no glaring weaknesses
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>>205173359
good assist
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is it me or is ssgoku better than black?
I really don't see all the hoopla around black, all his shit is easy to punish
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>>205173446
how long until he is nerfed?
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>>205173563
never if arcsys can make their own decisions instead of listening to noobs' knee jerk reactions
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When?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_ip4p_NhA&t
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>>205173819
More like fucking WHEN?!
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>>205173446
He is good, he's just one of those characters with a whole bunch of shit going for them.

In fact, he'd probably be average if not above average with his normals alone seeing how stupid shit like his 2H is, but he's also got a bunch of other shit too.

Has a beam + beam assist which fits on almost any team, a level 1 super that hits anywhere on screen for DHCs and then his various IT moves for options and corner pressure.
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Is dark green better then light green?
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>>205173948
Not to mention his dive kick and his dash special
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>mfw a month after release
>people still think black is OP
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>>205174569
No. Light greens are supposed to be better
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>>205174669
>Black shills still trying to downplay a legitimately powerful and well-rounded character who has tools most of the cast would kill for.

You'd think Black players would have a little pride that their character is considered good and fits on any team given how much of a pompous dickhead Black himself is.
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>>205175072
Nah he’s perfect. Those are fags that think everyone that plays black spams 2H and that’s it. Some kid buu player literally said that. He said he had weak normals and is only good for his beam assist and heavy. We also call people that think that saibaman
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>>205175072
powerful and well-rounded =/= op
i agree that he's solid and fits in many teams but he's not overpowered
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>>205172559
>play high tier
>beat high tier
??????
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Is Kid Buu still considered degenerate?
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>>205175549
Kid Buu is a degenerate unga.
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So at what point can you safely call yourself decent? I've been struggling since the higher end of the Frieza Clan but I've kept climbing steadily.
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>>205175549
He's not all that bad, people just hate having to deal with his tracking low starters any anything 4+ frame delay.
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>>205175976
try getting triple your points first
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>>205169980
You sacrifice damage for the HK knockdown.
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>holding back
>still get hit by fucking superdash
>holding down back
>still get hit by fucking low
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>>205176443
Down back block just doesn't work for me but I'm a degenerate analog stick user.
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>>205176172
Ouch. That high huh? I'm at a ~62% win rate right now but I'm having a lot of truble maintaining that. Mostly due to having to deal with characters people don't usually use. Cell, Black, Frieza, the Gokus and Vegetas, I've learned how to deal with them. It's the oddball choices that screw with me. in particular there's 2 Nappa players I keep running into that I really struggle against, I've won against them before but my win rate against him is definitely still negative.
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Do you guys enjoy the team system more than 1v1 singles?
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>>205176908
no
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>>205177001
best post in this thread
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>>205175976
i'm supreme kai and i'm still not shit
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>>205176908
I'd rather it be 1v1, but I'm still having fun regardless
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How do I do spicy Trunks tech? I can reliably hit with hard knockdowns into lvl1 or 3 but I want something more spicy. Can he do anything cool off vanish besides 236M? Can I use his autocombo to continue a combo after a wall bounce? Feed me senpais
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>>205177435
have you seen his spin jump links? good luck with those
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>can do the universal combo easily enough, but only manage an average of 3.5k per combo without spending a bar or assist.
I guess it's time for me to learn how to extend my comboes using my assists. I've seen some combo videos of Ginyu/Freeza doing more damage without assists or meter, but I can never quite replicate them.

It sucks too, because I'm finding myself stagnating and I want to keep improving. I guess I'll hit up the lab and try some stuff out.

At least my Beerus is improving. He really is super solid.
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>get to the point where people your own color dodge you after the first game
feels good man, can i be yellow yet
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>>205177796
youre not doing universal combo optimally if youre only getting 3.5k, every character should be able to do close to 4k
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>>205176908
I have a tendency to play my team like they are 1v1, just with additional buttons I can hit.

The team system does guarantee that my fights don't become stagnant or boring feeling, and let's me cover weaknesses on characters who would otherwise be dead in the water solo.
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It'd be really cool if I could get matched with people that aren't 5 ranks ahead of me
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WOOOOO FUCKING NOTHING FEELS BETTER
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are health bars standardized in this game?

follow up question if so: why the fuck would I pick normal Goku over Goku Black?
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>>205178490
everyone has the same health yes
because they have different pros and cons
i actually recently switched to ssgoku and i like him more than black
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vegeta blue is legitimately trash. not only is he way worse than regular vegeta in every way, he fundamentally doesn't have any of the things that makes someone in this game good
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>>205178490
goku has better neutral than black, can get more dmg with hard sliding knockdowns, his level 1s all have hard knockdowns, he has better beams than black, he is one of the best characters to stall out and beat lvl 3 sparking opponents, he has big damage solo or with teams, he has the same beam assist as black and his zchange is far better synergy for most of cast to combo from or into.

the question is why would you pick black when goku is far superior?
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Noob question, what do I do against people that wake up mashing jab?
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>>205173935
remember when he ate cymbal?
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>tfw Chaotzu gives the opponent a nice parting hug
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>>205179097
Based
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>>205179065
it's really not hard to do meaties in this game, just make sure you press a button as they are waking up and it will beat them 99% of the time
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>>205179453
Kek
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>>205179587
>not hard to do meaties
>they can delay tech
>they can up tech

you sound retarded and must believe everyone does the same tech every time.
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having a bad tendency to hit too many buttons feels way more punishing in this game than any other I've played. maybe it's just because you get combo'd for so long afterwards, but it feels harsh in this one especially.
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>>205179587
it's actually very hard to do meaties
other than having a lot of tech options and hard knockdowns being very rare there's also delay wakeup
and it's not just normal delay wake up you can pick the exact moment you can wake up and can delay it for a really long time
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>been like 2 weeks
>some people still call it dragon ball Z fighters
Are they retarded or in denial?
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>>205180314
it's so fucking easy to meaty, literally mashing jab over their corpse like a retard STILL catches people on wakeup, the only retard here is the one who thinks wake up jab is an actual problem
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It's obviously Dragon Ball Fighter ZED
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>>205180502
im grateful for this game because it finally erased my habit of button mashing in anime fighters
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Do i have to block low while in the air too?
I keep getting clipped by lows while airborne.
Like, I'll block there mids, then while I'm still above the ground a 2M will hit. Alternately, does grounded state become active slightly before touching the floor?
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>>205179453
I thought ragequitting was for scrubs and xenobabies?

why am I only getting ragequits now at 400-500k?
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>>205181092
>Alternately, does grounded state become active slightly before touching the floor?
yes 1f before landing i think
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Tien's assist is extremely underrated. The pop up makes comboing much easier than the beams that shove them across the screen.
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>>205181378
fullscreen lockdown > combo utility
but yes it's pretty good
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https://streamable.com/z7pll

can someone tell me why i'm not getting the combo for the standing medium? i've tried this like 10 times now but i feel like i'm overlooking something simple... sorry for being an idiot this is my first fighter
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>>205181437
It still does a decent job of lockdown
But yea, I get what you mean
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>>205181163
FUCKING STOP IT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>205181556
>>205181163
Who else /avoiddestructivefinish/ because it gives more time to plug pull?
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>>205181451
press it earlier, it's a chain
you can actually press the next button before the first one even connects
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>>205180579
might as well be called DBFS
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>>205180984
yes, for a game that's so many people criticize for being nothing but rush down, I'm certainly needing to step up my defense.
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Anyone have advice for breaking crouching guards?

feels bad when they just sit there blocking low the entire match and laugh at you for the scrub you are
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>>205181972
just pick Blueku and never worry about crouching guards ever again
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>>205178887
This pretty much. SS Goku is incredibly solid .
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>>205181972
find your characters unique blockstring moves, most characters can use a ki blast and another special move to keep the blockstring going or have a move that does a mixup
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>>205181972
Overhead plus assist.
There, a free combo.
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>>205181972
most basic thing is calling assist at the end of your blockstring then going for an IAD overhead
you can do IAD double overhead or IAD single overhead > low etc.
after they block your IAD button you're really plus so you can go for a mixup again
low/throw (dragon rush) is good
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>>205178005
That's actually good to know. I'll look into how I'm doing them wrong.

Character specific extensions are intimidating to say the least. At least the universal combo is consistent.
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Game definitely feels like it's dying on PC.
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>>205182638
it's the servers
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>>205182562
frieza and beerus dont actually have the universal air bnb because of their j 2Hs, ginyu does though.
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>>205168718
>CouchWarriors guide
I want to get good. Is this guide a good place to start? I've looked at other combo guides and they seem to be similar with a few differences, but is this enough to start off?
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>>205176556
>analog stick user
Literally how?
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>>205182672
i'm on 2 hours without a game. its stupid
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thanks for the help guys

>>205181972
I should add that even when I try to do IAD's or jumping overheads they just stand and block that, then resume blocking low. I'm mainly talking about people who know what they're doing and who know how to have a solid defense. Whenever I run into a good blocker I can never break through their crouching guard... but then, I kind of suck at pressure I guess

>>205182091
I don't like Blueku and against a good player (which is the only one I have trouble one, I can beat scrubs my level more or less) he'll just standing block at the overhead and resume low guarding me to death.

>>205182110
My team right now is SS Goku/SS Vegeta/Adult Gohan. I'll use others eventually, but what do you mean? I'm kind of new to attempting to be competitive in fighters

>>205182254
I'll test that out but the window for actually landing that is pretty tight, plus wouldn't they just standing guard? though I guess it's my best shot, thanks for the advice

>>205182307
Sorry I'm a bit of a scrub so I'm not sure what you mean by double overheads? I know how to IAD though

And when's the best time to use a throw? I tried playing with it earlier but the timing is weird, it takes forever when I try to cancel into it and you can't use it during an assist?
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>>205182638
Hope not. I really like this game.
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>>205182638
been playing the last few days and get every match in 30 seconds, I'm at super saiyan rank right now
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>>205182860
time to get a converter for my stick and a ps4 i guess
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>>205178887
The real question is why even pick a low class warrior when the Prince of all Saiyans is there waiting for you.
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Why the fuck would I ever play against a pink in Ranked? Ever?
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>>205182958
A converter for a stick that works on PC but doesn't on PS4? What kind of stick do you even have?
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>>205182307
How do you IAD? I've been needing to learn that specifically for the same reason that original anon mentioned.
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>>205182638
where do you live? getting matches without a problem here but I'm US and we're blessed when it comes to online multiplayer in terms of pop.
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>>205182823
>I'm not sure what you mean by double overheads
for example with SS goku you can do IAD jM jL
and they have to block both of those high
you can mix that up with iad jM land > 2M, this is better with characters with a low 2L since it's faster but it works with everyone
about throw you can't cancel into it so you should only use it when you're really plus or you conditioned your opponent to not press buttons during your strings
the best way to do that is by simply delaying them slightly (called staggering) so you catch the startup of their mashed buttons
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>>205183118
the east coast is still lit. zero problems getting a match in under a minute, lobbies are all full at night
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>>205183102
I'm that original anon, you IAD two ways

first way is 956, hit 9, let go, then hit 6 quickly to do a low and quick dash close to the ground. Takes some practice but you have to be precise with your presses.

second way is to jump, hold forward, then press super dash button. As long as you're holding forward you'll do an air dash. You can also do it on the ground.
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>>205183102
956 meaning upforward, neutral, forward, that's all it is
practice the timing until you're able to get the minimum height airdash consistently
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>>205182738
Well, Beerus's actually still kinda works, his positioning is just closer to the wall because of it.

I know it doesn't work on Frieza, for him your longer comboes require like, ki blast extensions and eye lasers apparently.
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>>205183078
..a ps3 stick? im going to ps4 because steam is dead

>>205183078
central europe
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>>205183074
Challenge?
Practice?
Getting better?
Do any of these concepts resonate with you?
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>>205183303
beerus can't do the universal bnb because his launcher is not jump cancellable, it's one of the horizontal ones like cell's
they also don't give sliding knockdown
>>205183532
i'm eu pc and i'm getting plenty of games, if you think this is dead i doubt ps4 will be any better
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If you play Goku Blue and we have 3 or more frames of lag I will always alt F4 on you.
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>>205183074
well do you want to get better at the game or do you want your points on the screen to go higher?

if you want the first the second comes naturally
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>>205181694
thanks, i made it. the last combo for black goku was even harder, took me a solid 20 minutes since i've read your post apparently. why am i so garbage
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>>205183140
Oh, I get it. Thanks! It'll take some practice, I usually use IAD>j.H with characters. Should I start using j.ML more? I never really understood the advantage of doing a j.M over a j.H in most cases. j.H just seems a lot easier to hit with

Also I stagger all the time to catch people trying to punish (good blockers expect it though), so I think I understand what you mean. I'll have to practice a little to throw in some dragon rushes.

thanks man I appreciate the tips
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>>205183768
it's character specific, see if your character's jM hits crouching and from what distance then compare it to their jH
the benefit of jM is that they're usual faster and can be reverse chained, meaning you can do 2 highs in a row if you start with M but not if you start with H(barring character specific overhead specials)
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>>205183613
would you fight mike tyson for any of those concepts?

these people are handily a 1000 times better than me and that's not hyperbole, i don't even get to play the game.

>>205183721
this idea that you get better by players who absolutely thousand of hours ahead of you in skill is ridiculous.
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>>205183532
>because steam is dead
not in my region, anon. sorry you live in the Australia of Central Europe, apparently, but not everyone is having these issues.

i hope PS4 is better for you.
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>>205183642
beerus does the universal combo just fine. just because they go sideways doesnt mean its not the same fucking combo. 2m > 5m > j.mll2h > super dash > j.ml > j.mll2h > j.214m is same 4k+ as others.
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I play 21/Trunks/Vegeta but I want to make a sub team.

I'm thinking of CHADhan/Beerus and someone else. Would Majin Buu work or is he a point character? Any suggestions for characters that would synergize well?
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is there any way to find the steam profiles of the people you've fought? I've had 4 ragequitters tonight and I wish to laugh at them
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>>205183976
i think it should be, and it's far more futureproof so that helps too.
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>>205183745
you'll get it soon enough, everyone sucks at first
the fun of fighting games starts when you understand the system and feel comfortable with your tools so keep at it
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I got to Demon rank and I'm just pulling the plug on Cell/Vegeta teams now, and then just declining them after waiting for 1 minute after to hopefully get them to stop playing for the evening.

Absolutely no fun playing against a character that obscenely overpowered and with how slow ASW and Bamco are with patching shit I can't see it changing anytime soon.

Might have to just quit now or intentionally tank my rank so I can fight against more fun teams again.
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>>205184029
the "universal combo" i'm familiar with is with the j2H jump cancel and L air autocombo, which does more damage
but that one you mentioned works yeah
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>>205183967
>b-but he's TOO good
always this excuse, the game's barely been out for a month. no one is thousands of hours ahead of you in skill

it's early days and the game is pretty fucking simple, playing someone good exposes your bad habits and you're guaranteed to learn SOMETHING
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>>205184286
Imagine this guy playing vs 3S Chun lmao
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>>205184130
I've had luck with searching the name they use in DBFZ. you'd be surprised at how many people just use their steam name.

here's a helpful tip too:
if they don't accept your friend request or they have comments off, see if they have screenshots. you don't have to be friends with someone to comment on screenshots. they'll get a notification of you calling them out for it.

had some guy actually delete all of his screenshots because of this. tried to tell me his game kept crashing at the end of matches too.
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>>205184286
>I'm just pulling the plug on Cell/Vegeta teams now, and then just declining them after waiting for 1 minute after to hopefully get them to stop playing for the evening
what a sad person you are, if you play ranked you should be ready to deal with any team
go play casual or random ring matches instead of purposely ruining other people's experience
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>>205184286
Cell is strong, but not unbeatable or invincible. It isnt ST akuma or some shit. It's not even a Johnny or Nine/Izanami-like OP. You just fucking suck.
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>>205184387
i played against a pink just now and i did at most 400 damage before i lost, his second and anchor never got touched.

are you claiming legacy knowledge of other fighting games doesn't carry over at all?

i barely know how to control my characters and i'm playing against people well over 500k points ahead of me in ranked, is that truly a good way to keep people practicing?
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>>205183745
Thank you for sharing your story anon. I literally just got finished doing Black's combo run and the last ons only took me like 7 minutes and this is my first fighter as well. You just gotta practice and above all else, stay cool. Getting angry or frustrated means you're gonna start mashing buttons and messing up. You'll get it, just take your time.
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>>205184556
yeah, he'll teach you to stop mashing fucking buttons and learn how to defend, noobs can always unga bunga pressure but they can never block

do 500 damage next time
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>>205184387
To be fair one of my friends who bought the game recently (PS4, France) had never played a game before and got matched up against Leffen who I believe is top 10?

I don't really agree that it's that much of a learning experience at that point.
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>>205184669
thats proof that the game is dead in europe, matchmaking only does this because theres literally no one else to match
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>>205184759
now it's dead on ps4 too?
have you never played a fighting game? have you recently moved to europe?
lower your standards for dead, it has way more players than any fg i've ever played
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>>205184505
>you don't have to be friends with someone to comment on screenshots.
damn that is a good tip, here's my name and shame list for tonight anyway, all 400-500k players.
>Kobalt
>Leica
>QQTobi
>Despera
>SSJMELLIE
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>>205184669
>european matchmaking
>laughingemoji face

it is pretty fun to see europeans with like 600k points beating on scrubs with 60k though.
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>>205184297
Are you sure that there is not a Beerus bnb?
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>>205182753
I play with analog stick as well.
Playing with pad just feels weird.
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>>205184978
You never actually send me a friend request though, i'm in that list.
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>>205184664
Wow so edgy.
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>>205184664
no thanks, I'll just play someone around my own skill level instead
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>>205184664
You can't seriously think this is a good way to get people motivated to play though, greens and yellows should never get matched with pinks ever and especially not often.

Unless you're an elitist who wants all the new players to either quit or go through hell like you're the teacher from Whiplash.

Get a reality check.
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>>205185240
>i'm in that list
that's nice, I can laugh at you here instead

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IMAGING BEING A FUCKING RAGEQUITTER OHOHOHOHOOOOOOOOO
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>>205185427
calm down reddit.
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>>205185413
id like to play a real pink and see how he BTFOs me. the only pink I played was in casual and had 0 ranked matches, he wasnt that good either
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>>205185354
Not him, but if you meet a pink in normal battle don't refuse.
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>>205185569
What if he has a 1 bar connection?
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>>205185427
What team do you play? I can't remember ragequitting tonight.
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>>205185608
Ehm.. right.
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>>205185569
why would i not? seriously i have tried many times and have never taken a character off a pink, i feel bad for you because it might be annoying to get so few games but i sometimes want to have games where i can actually try to apply some of the things i practiced in training mode.
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>>205185545
AHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>205185682
assuming you're QQTobi I think I might have scooped you up from a previous nights ragequits, hearty keks regardless
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>>205185831
Are you the Goku Blue player with 8 frames delay?
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FUCK living in rural Alabama, I cant get any matches.
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I have a wired connection, and I keep disconnecting in the lobby and during games. What gives? Does anyone know if there's some sort of optimal setting, or am I just fucked from online play?
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>>205185940
nope
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>>205186010
Then I don't know, I did quit out on him.
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>Blackfags still trying to defend their bullshit character and claim he's not one of the top 4 (at least)
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One one side I think avoiding pink players is bitch made, but on the other side I don't think they should be getting matched at all.

Server issues are seriously killing this game pretty rapidly at this point.
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Would a combination of Trunks, A Gohan, and SS Goku be a good beginner team?
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>>205184029

It does matter though that character's like Beerus, Cell, etc... get a wall bounce and stay lower to the ground off of their j.2H rather than a launcher
also Piccolo literally can't get a hard knockdown from his universal mid screen without using meter for example
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anyone got up to date BnB's for Vegito? He's the only character I'm still doing basic light medium light medium combos with
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>>205186338
They are beyond saving
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>>205186338
how would you nerf him

with a. gohan and cell I think you could simply nerf their overall damage, but goku black is strong just because he has many tools
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Why the fuck does Super Dash sometimes just Slid off of the charcter

Or at other points it just goes straight forward
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>>205185968
its just the servers. they have issues on and off sometimes.
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>>205186338
he's good but he's not annoyingly good. I'd rather fight Black than Cell.
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When the overhead is quicker than the light attack, why the Fucks does overhead have advantage. teach me pros.
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>>205185950
I live in London with great internet and even I get a match every 5 mns or so. Whether or not they accept or not is another matter on top of that.
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Any good guides for neutral? It's my biggest weakness atm. 18 is my point and I'm finding it tough to get in.
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>>205186474
Yep. They are all high tier and with good moves
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>>205187105
this game doesn't have a neutral.
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Game definitely feels dead in Europe, I still had fun but I can see why people would quit with how shit the servers are + how bad the learning experience is in this game.
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>>205186954
Damn, maybe its just the servers then. Come to think of it I was getting more matches with better connections during the beta.
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18's destructo disk is highly underrated
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>>205187105
with literally any point character you should be able to just spam assists to cover your approach
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holy shit I've been doing cells corner loops this entire thing thinking that the big ki explosion attack was a quarter circle back move

you can just press that shit no motion required
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I really hate how retardedly strong IAD overheads are online in this game.

Some of them being 18 frames makes them borderline impossible to block when covered by an assist, and they're unpunishable as per usual in this game.

Frame data for this entire game is wonky in general.
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>>205187901
Could somebody post a example of this?
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>>205187604
>bad learning...

Is really so bad?
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>>205188175
It's fine but a large part of it is just constantly getting your ass fucked over and over if you're new.

Do NOT buy this on PC if you want an active playerbase + people around your skill level, ever.
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>>205188256
we're fine in america but yeah anyone else should probably avoid PC
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>>205184978
oh hey i'm on your list too, no clue who the fuck you play because i barely ragequit but you must be some laggy cell or something.

you can laugh but how does it feel that i'll never get a purple name, never get punished and slowly but surely kill your game off since you must be on pc? based on you being enough of a sperg to keep a list it must bother you a lot more than it does me.
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STO0P STUFFING MY ATTACKS WHEN IM IN ADVANTAGE WTFFFFF FIX CAPCOM SHIT GAME.
MUH COUNTTER COUNTER COUNTER COUNTER.
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i fucking hate being european : (
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>>205188381
LMAO LOOK AT THIS EDGY FAGLORD HAHAHAHA

have you ever seen so much cope
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>>205188932
why are you so triggered anon
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>>205187479
maybe if you're at low levels when all you're doing is just super dashing back and forth
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>>205182821
What mode, what countries, what settings.
I've had ranked, casual and a few hours of ring parties today.
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reflect is broken
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>>205188110
Coming from Tekken, trying to punish shit that looks super punishable but isn't has been fucking me up pretty bad
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>>205189395
god forbid you ever play a game with actual push block
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>>205188519
Germany and France are okey. Italy is a fucking desert right now.

>>205188256
The problem is that pink players are crazy retarded, for the most. Even in Ring battle i always see them doing autistic combos against dark green or white players. What is the point? You can do it if you notice that your opponent is strong despite the low rank, not with people who are clearly new.
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>>205182638
I get a match every minute or so, but I'm a green scrub that got the game a few weeks ago so the player pool is probably a lot bigger for me
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>>205189330
Germany, ranked, 4 bars +, high completion, PC.
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>>205188110
I'd really like for raw overheads to be -1 on block, I agree they are very wonky
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>when you get a match but accidently press the wrong button and it skips

Why can't the game hold the fucking matches if i accidently press the quick message menu
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>>205189395
uwot
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Any anons on PS4 want to get a few games in with a light green?
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I legit think Android 16 is as overpowered as Nine or Johnny.

Name 10 of his flaws I can abuse, note I'm talking about netplay 16 where a lot of this stuff just isn't reactable.
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>>205189728
Most people I play are 3 bars (4-5 frames) delay so there's probably that.
I'm Russian and we have a fairly limited weeb population and Germany isn't a weebland either from what i know.
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give me one objective reason why you aren't playing cell
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>>205189851
i feel they should just straight up take away an universal option from 16 and he'd be balanced.

make it so he cannot use vanish or cannot use superdash or something, and make it so his grabs can be teched.

he is a grappler with all the advantages of one but absolutely none of the negatives.
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>>205190030
Too smug
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im actually glad people think goku black is OP and play him on literally every team, I'd much rather see him than 16 and cell everywhere
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>>205190030
It's not that I don't like Cell, it's that I find other characters more fun. If I had to rank all the characters by their fun factor, he'd be smack in the middle.
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>>205190282
THIS, so much this. 16 are still rare, but I prefer to face a horde of Black than a single "strong" 16.
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>>205190282
>t.Saibaman
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>>205190282
People who think Black is on the same level as Cell and 16 are absolutely fucking retarded.

Both of those are in a league of their own
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>>205190282
This. Black is pretty easy to fight against once you know his mix-ups.

I don't mind fighting 16 as long as he's not on point. Those grapple loops with assists just take forever.
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>enjoy Piccolo, Yamcha, and 16
>Want the Vegeta assist for hellzone loops because Piccolo is my favorite
>Don't wanna give up Yamcha nor 16

Send help
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>>205190030
I'm not proficient in my current team enough to move onto another.

I finally hit a wall where I realized that I actually need to learn proper bnb and block strings instead of relying on reads exclusively
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How to punish a blocked super dash, it never works but peolpe tell me to press down Heavy.
and they just get a free combo, tried light and medium too same thing.
They always keep getting hits when I should obviously be able to punish, am I missing something other than skill here.
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>>205190282
I more hate black because of the edge factor. Whenever I see a team with Black and one of the blues it's like "Oh boy, here we go again."
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>>205190813
You are supposed to intercept the dash with 2 h not block and counter with it.
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>>205190742
Veggie assist was a mistake. Don't be a sheep.
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>>205190813
You down heavy the super dash while it's active. I'm pretty sure blocking the super dash just puts you back in neutral in most cases.
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>>205190742
Yamcha's assist is really good, just shy of Vegeta's, but I'm not familiar with the hellzone loop.
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>>205189834
I'm down but I'm no good. Where do you want to meet up friend?
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>>205191110
Thats some burrrshit
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>>205189851
>16 is as overpowered as nine or johnny
>isn't even nearly as good as AC Pot
Calm your salt
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>>205190813
If they are using super dash in their blockstring, they are taking a huge risk. Figure out the timing and make the read. You'll do great.
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>>205190030
I only play characters I like: Goku, Vegeta and Krillan.
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I'm trying to learn Teen Gohan and although I do not have absolutely idea of what I'm doing, I'm managing to win, somehow. Kamehameha X5 --> remove opponent
Is this just an impression of mine or he can really manages to escape certain combos more easily? Or maybe my opponents were messed up because not used to deal with the dwarf. Anyways, I hate the lack of a Masenko/ki blast.
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>>205191260
So tell me 10 of 16's flaws relative to the cast.
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>spend eternity looking for a match
>connect to one with perfect connection
>fucker sits there for 60 seconds and lets the time run out
I hate you
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>>205191714
It's bit easier to drop with certain characters but still won't make a difference against bnb combos.
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i just cut my wrist because of bad i felt so bad about losing.

fucking messed up my input for xfactor and i got dr instead and it made me lose.

never had my ocd kick in as bad as then, holy fuck
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>>205191851
I hate this, like if you know you're not going to be paying any attention at all just fucking drop queue
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>2 frame delay
>literally feels like there's a desync with character positions because my teleports are landing in wrong areas and his seem to hit me from weird positions either

What the fuck was that
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>>205192000
Do you play Black?
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>>205192000
I knew a guy who played Overwatch with me who would cut his wrists for every 10 losses in ranked and he ended up hospitalized because of it, if you're OCD talk to a doctor and get some on the pills or stop playing games online.
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>>205192158
>every 10 losses in ranked
>ended up hospitalized

that's a lot of fucking losses
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>>205191953
it seemed to me that his Superdash in particular was particularly dirty for the opponent.
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Yo anyone want to pay? Im so tired of waiting for matchmaking.
Idc your rank or skill, lets just brawl.
Im on ps4.
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Has anyone experienced getting hit with a mid while crouched blocking? Only happens to me online, I can't recreate it in training mode or arcade mode. I go to the replay channel and have the input reader on, showing that im holding down+back, but I still get hit with a mid.

I also can't recreate it in any other fighting game, so it's not a stick issue.
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>>205191181
Cool, I'm pretty bad myself desu. Look for a Great Saiyaman named Sips at East Coast 1 Arena Match First Lobby 9
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>>205192490
Happens to me all the time, figured it's just because i'm new and bad at the game and so maybe I accidentally ease up on blocking even though I don't feel like I am
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>>205192112
I remember there was a glitch with 18's opening that caused some weird desync issues. Don't know if they patched it
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>>205192504
I'll be there as Hercule. I just realized I have limited time so I'll only do a set (best 2/3) then I have to go.
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>>205192270
Well blood loss and pain aren't exactly top fighting form
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>Play hit
>My attacks never hit
Nice false advertising there konami.
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I've got a few questions and maybe someone here can help.

Is there some reason that some characters can wake up and super? I try that and my meter gets burned and I get hit. Same with vanish.

Also am I missing some defensive options because I often seem to get put in impossible situations.
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>>205190030
>tfw I play cell but I'm so new to fighting games that his corner loops and other cool shit feel impossible
>tfw I'm not doing one of my favorite dbz characters justice
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>>205192827
Maybe, you are hitting a wall
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>>205192620
It happens to me about once every 3 matches. My character will even still be crouching when they get hit, implying my inputs didn't dropped. I can't find anything online of somebody having a similar experience.
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>>205192490
All the time
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>>205192827
>opponent blocks
>use assist and the mixup or go overhead

>opponent blocks
>no assists left
>214S and try again
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>>205192891
Level 3s are invincible on start-up.
Level 1s aren't.

Deflect, vanish, block low, 2H
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>>205192504
Nice match, you might've won if you switched out Gohan earlier (I lost Vegeta 'cus I was trying to Vanish and didn't realize I had no meter lol)
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>Training
>Bnb perfectly acquired
>More elaborate combos perfectly acquired
>Start an online fight
>I can't do a shit
>Need autombo to win
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Does the PC version have Denuvo or anything? I want to see if my PC can run it smoothly before plunking down 60 bucks for pvp
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>>205192891
>Is there some reason that some characters can wake up and super?
All level 3's in this game are invincible on start-up. Level 1s is going to be character specific.

>am I missing some defensive options because I often seem to get put in impossible situations.
Deflect is your bestfriend
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>>205192121
i do actually lol but i might drop him.

>>205192158
i know.
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>>205193270
It has denuvo but it's one of the smoothest games in existence.
1050 (not even ti, i'm on a budget after old card fried) with 2gb memory on a 5 year old processor is running it at maximum settings and 170% image scaling.
It's by far the best PC port i've ever seen.
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>>205193270
It does.
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>>205192504
>>205193175
Those were some good Vegeta Blue combos, nice
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How would OCD even lead to someone self harming in the first place? Sounds like autism to me.
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>>205193553
You gonna be around in an hour anon? I can play a few too
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>>205193045
But the opponent doesn't need to block, he always gets the hit.
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>>205193629
...i'm not that well versed in mental health but i'm pretty sure ocd IS autism.

and they lack the ability to process loss in a lot of cases which they need an outlet for.
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>>205193106
>>205193448
thanks
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why do dumbass companies that make fighting games even let plug pulling benefit the person doing it

like how the fuck have we not evolved past this shit, if you pull the plug you should fucking lose
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>>205189649
But so much shit in tekken looks punishable when it isn't
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>It's THAT Vegeta Blue combo
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>>205193901
does he even have another combo?
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>>205193175
>>205193553
Yea good matches man, sucks the frames started getting bad towards the end
>>205193707
I'm still in the same lobby if you want to play. Saiyaman named Sips
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>>205192504
Good matches, I kept being retarded and switching in the guy who needed to recover. Did that twice lmao. You're definitely way better than me.

>>205193707
I just finished but I'm pretty sure the other Anon is still there
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>>205193827
because i can force you to disconnect if i want with drophacks.
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>430 BP
>100k left for that cheevo
>good people stomp me out of existence
>bad people quit after first match

The middle ground is tough.
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>>205193960
All of his solo combo potential is pretty weak and the patented BnB one that everyone uses is really easy to pull off and does more damage than like anything else he can string together
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>>205192000
Lmao
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>>205194205
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>>205193901
THAT Bluegeta combo is the only reason to even play him
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>>205194252
>>205193901
What one?
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>>205194084
I'll be about 40 mins if thats cool? Im still at work until then.
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>>205194252
this
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>>205194410
The vanish into dunk
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>>205193827
>how the fuck have we not evolved past this shit

Religion, australia and the fact that games are played mainly by kids.
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>>205194489
Ah. It's really cool
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>>205194438
Yea that's cool, just post here when you're ready to go
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nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16 nerf 16
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>>205194735
*dunks you 4 times in one combo*
*armors through your attack with 5H*
nothing personal, kid
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>>205194870
>>205194735
I'm new and scrubby, you can't counter that 5H of his right? You just have to keep blocking?
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It's funny so many people hate on Black when he's far more fair than 16 ever will be.
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>>205194978
People only hate on Black because he's on every team. If he didn't show up in every other match, I guarantee you no one would care as much
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WAGA YAIBA
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>>205194978
Not gonna stop me from playing Black, he's fun
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>>205194978
It's because you don't run into good 16's till like 400k+.

At which point it should be blatantly obvious who the bigger problem in this game is.
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>>205193901
why do people do it its extremely bad
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>>205196217
it's extremely fun
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>>205194961
Hit's counter works for it.
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>>205196217
It's his only good combo though. Unless you want to do the lame ass universal bitch shit.
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>>205197078
That is the lame universal shit with a vanish and super tacked on
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>>205197174
And a dunk. You forgot the most important part
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Goddamn there's so many titles
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playing colors above and below you doesnt affect your color, right? I want to be able to play casual and not give a fuck if I win or lose
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>>205197528
pretty sure every match you play affects it, that's the whole point
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>stomping asses with Krillin
Y'all knew it was time
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>>205194735
C'mere anon, let's hug it out
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>BnB for Frieza, Ginyu, and Beerus are all different
I literally couldn't have picked a harder team to make work correctly. This makes learning the game a lot more fun.
>Frieza's tailwhip in the air requires you to hold 8 in order for the second part to come out
Wew. At least you can super easily get at least 4k in the corner without any trouble.

Now to learn how to hit confirm off his projectiles and we can be some real cancer boys.
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>Frieza Clan is a higher rank then Saiyan
I wonder who could be behind this
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>>205198006
You chose the most interesting team to be honest, they are all very different from the rest of the cast I love all of those characters but I'm a brainlet buttonmasher so I can't really play them outside of casual.
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>>205190030
Because I like to zone too much.
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RIP
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Dead game.
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OH NO NO NO
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>>205198331
Cell zones well though.
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>>205168718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8RJfz--w8&t=

BrkrDv vs Tatsu GF again, when will Tatsu face SF or ChrisG?
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>nothing but cell, 16, and a.gohan

stop already
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>>205198006
You don't need to hold 8, just wait for the 2nd hit of j.B to come out.
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>getting bodied
>server maintenance

heh, better luck next time kid....
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>>205168718
>that hurtbox on the right

I will never not be mad about this.
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>>205198304
Well they did enslave the saiyans, wipe them out, destroy their planet and then keep a handful of them working under Frieza so it's not a stretch

Super Saiyan, however, is higher.
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>>205198594
>Stop playing fun characters
Gas yourself.
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>Always rematch if I lose for the sake of bo3 and improving
>Nobody ever rematches me if I win
>Have a 45% win ratio because of this despite actually winning against more players than I lose to

W/L doesn't really matter, right? I kinda feel like not taking rematches on losses anymore just to make it respectable again, and making my losses close in otherwise comfortable wins so they're tempted to rematch me
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LITERALLY unplayable
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>>205199041
>Nobody ever rematches me if I win

Console players everyone.
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Should every respectable A.Gohan player be throwing out 3H after 2M 5M? Because I keep forgetting
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>>205199164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQkCH_C-7AM
Yes
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>3 maintenances
>basically did nothing
so what the FUCK is going on then
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>>205199041
>play close game but lose
>opponent exits to lobby right away

so lame
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>>205199041
I actually haven't had this issue as much as I do in other games. So many salty 1-1s in Tekken
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Honestly I want to be good with 18 and I hear she's apparently top tier but I just don't see it. Her neutral game feels so bad, her range is shit, and 17 just isn't worth it especially considering he's only really reliable on knockdown.

Has anyone made a good guide on her or something? Her and 17 are my joint second favourite characters in the franchise and I hate being useless on her.
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plz halp how dop I punish and stop getting coutnered.
And no I don't spam buttons. Even after a blockstring overhead, dash in etc. I hit my fastest attack which should be light right? But it always gets stuffed by them just pressing a button again. I just don't get this anymore. Al that blocking and i'm still not in the advantage.
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>>205199117
Why?
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>>205199338
PC servers are actually better now for me than they were before. Have no issues joining ring parties anymore so they must have done something.
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>>205198807
only cell's fun, a.gohan and 16 are auto-play retards

16 in particular is a spectacular failure; i've never seen a grappler with no drawbacks of actually being a grappler
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>>205192504
Well anon I'll letcha know if I can join. Its saying server maintenance. Which is welcome but not right before a fight
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>>205199392
>18
>top tier
Where did you hear this? A lot of top players used her early on because she was good in closed beta and 17 seemed like such a good gimmick but they've all dropped her lately. She's not that good and if I had to take a guess she's probably high mid tier.
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>>205199975
Not him but if you're fighting a braindead 16 you can just go fullscreen and blast the shit out of him. Just pray to god he doesnt close the gap.
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>>205200052

once cell/a.gohan/16 drop from SSS tier she'll rise again

the problem with the top 3 is that they out-footsie all the point/shorty characters while being 9x better than all of them
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>>205199975
>i've never seen a grappler with no drawbacks of actually being a grappler

How do you mean?
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I currently have accumulated 1.8 million zeni and several thousand premium coins and I have every colour in the game except for 2 Beerus and EVERY FUCKING GOKU BLACK COLOUR WHAT THE FUCK I DONT WANT YOUR RETARDED STICKERS OR STAMPS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES
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>>205200283
hes just as fast as every other character in the game and obviously still has super dash and vanish like everyone else, and he has a good full screen projectile
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>>205199975
16 has lots of draw backs. One off top of my head is his slow 5L/2L that can clash with 6f lights after a vanish and he has nothing to followup with - he can hold 4L for the clash and have a 7f light come out or he can auto combo to 5LL or 5M for a like 10f move. the opponent gets their faster 4L or follow-up after clash and wins every single time.
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>ANDROID Rank
>Kid has the most unorthodox playstyle
>Beats the shit out of me twice
I almost snapped this controller in half. He did some weird mix of dragon rushing and Super Dash swapping all at the right moments. No assists, no meta, just weird shit....
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>>205200864
>meta
kys
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Ive had so many ragequits i lost count. Fucking annoying...
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>play this game
>Immediately overwhelmed in every way
How does this stop happening
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>server maintenance
please god let this be a good one

>>205201158
stop worrying about it and mash and have fun. then when you feel like you can identify what you need to improve, go to training mode and do it
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>>205199041
>40% W/L
>Light green
>Fight against other light greens and yellows people with 60+%
>They're fucking shit
>Absolutely destroy them
>Get put up against orange/pink gods who have 90%+ win rates
>Get destroyed
>Ranked matches me up way more with the stronger people than anyone low or at around my level

This game doesn't want me to have a positive win/loss but fuck it, I know I'm better than a lot of people that do. It's all down to matchmaking. Focus on Improving so you can beat the ones that are giving you trouble.
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>want to play low tier or unused characters
>pick Hit/16/Piccolo
>now apparently the first 2 are OP
guess i'll have to change then
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>>205201448
All 3 of those are ridiculously good characters, what do you mean just the first 2
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>>205201448
Ok hipster.
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>>205201448
People sleep on piccolo but hes a god tier point but his assist seriously sucks ass.
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>>205201598
Piccolo is my favorite character but I can understand why people say he's low tier, his neutral is a pain in the ass against any character with good ranged options
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>>205201448
>Hit
>the character that Sonicfox was hyping up since start of the game
>16
>the character that was all over (admitedly limited) tournaments and even some of the pros complain he's busted

I was watching LI joe yesterday and like 60% of people he met were playing 16.
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>>205201598
Piccolo dude? Seriously? he needs meter to even breathe and his assist is ok at the most, combo potential is below average as well

>>205201692
i love playing unused character, i feel special even though im not
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>opponent keeps jumping
>I can't use my 2M starter
NOOOOOOOOO MY BNB WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW BROS
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>>205201953
>he needs meter to even breathe
u fucking wot
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>>205201758
i think he works the best as anchor, he's too meter reliant imo, but his j.M is great
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>>205201930
And 60% of people on release at that NY tournament were playing Android 18, and now look at her.

That said, I do agree Android 16 is a problem whereas I had my doubts about 18 at the time.
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>>205202194
I use him as battery so he can come in on a corner and shit on people. Also assists make his neutral game way easier
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>Piccolo's assist is ass
You kiddin right?
A ball that slowly follows will not only keep the pressure and mind games up but adds ridiculous combo potential since it can hit anywhere on the screen at any time. No other assist can make it to the top of the screen.
>inb4 superdash
Fucking do it. Take this 2H head on.
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>>205201986
Anti-Air
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>>205202083
Piccolo needs to use h versions to make his move have good properties and hellzone grenade is why you use him in combos
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>Opponent super dashes
>I 2H
>Combo
>They super dash immediately after recovering
>2H
>Combo
>They do it AGAIN
>2H
>Combo
>Repeat several times until they eventually learn

This happens a ridiculous amount of times. Is it just me? Am I so bad that the game thinks I'm at the level of these people?
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>>205202083
just to start he needs 1 meter to cause a hard knockdown with qcbH or 1 meter to vanish j.S qcb.L if it's hevy then 2 in total for a simple combo

>>205202338
it does take some pressure out of neutral but when it comes to pressure itself it's below average considering i was using 16/hit and they were much better options
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>>205168718
>gotenks is bad
lol
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>>205202841
>3 bars in a string just to do 3.5k damage
JUST
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>>205202427
>opponent keeps jumping
>I try 2H and either:
>a) they block it and go into an overhead combo
>b) I miss because my character's 2H has a small hitbox
>c) they somehow crossup and go behind me and start a free combo
NOOOOOOOOOOO IT DIDN'T WORK WHY ARE YOU LYING TO ME ANON WHYYYY
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>>205202841
>5 bars
>Less than 5k damage
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>>205202959
and sparking lol
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>>205203090
6*
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>>205202841
He's not totally bad, but that webm isn't evidence
>All that meter and Sparking and still doesn't do 5000

He's good because stuff like Shout Cancels and Ghost Kamikaze oki is really scary and Galactic Donuts is a really strong assist. His 2M is really good too and I don't see a lot of people talk about it.
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>>205202841
>literally posts evidence that would prove otherwise despite Gotenks actually being an incredibly solid character
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>>205202789
Assists allow him to push the opponent to the corner or get a midscreen 214M knockdown.
>vanish j.S qcb.L
Never do this, it's a waste of meter and there is a better route if you want to sideswap.
His corner pressure with ball oki is amazing, especially when backed up by two assists. You don't need to rely on Hellzone Grenade for oki.
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Are there any air combos for Frieza that isn't just j.LL/j.M > jc > repeat > 236S?
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>>205203773
None worth doing
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>>205203856
So then what are you supposed to do with Frieza?
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>>205202660
I've seen that in green.
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>>205203773
There are some using J. S but it's not as reliable as the ball
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>>205203932
he has midscreen combos that start with his ranged attacks and a shitload of corner combos
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUjqW4S-Siw

can someone explain how Cell is looping that ki blast like that? I've tried it and I just can't get it to work
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>>205202841
Bruh that webm is garbage and you know it.

it isn't about combo length, but amount of damage for less investment.
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>>205203932
Hit 5H or 2H
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>>205204073
Use j.LL > j.LL to get the right height.
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>>205204190
SHIKKATA ARIMASEN
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http://www.strawpoll.me/15062589
Vote for the three characters on your main team
I'm curious who the most popular characters on /dbfzg/ are
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>>205203649
i see, but how about oki in mid screen, hellzone is reall helpful then, either way, have you found any useful combos with his S variations? i feel as if only f.S or df.S are useful, the d.S arm is kinda bad
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>haha anon just block it's not hard
>DRAGON RUSH
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>205202841
The best thing about that combo is piccolo.
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is there a more aesthetic team than trunks/bluku/black?
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>>205204876
>was this really necessary?
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>>205204876
DO IT
VOOLLEEEY
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>>205205038
Newfag. Lurk more.
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>>205205167
>this clueless
how ironic
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I've been practicing combos for days instead of playing. Not even optimal combos, so I'll still suck ass.

Should I just give it up and play against people now?
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Who synergizes well with Toranksu-kun?
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>>205205476
Yes, get destroyed just like me...

i practiced for a week straight and dropped all my combos in real matches and keep getting obliterated
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>>205204073
What are you having trouble with? Notation for the combo (not the version in the video but whatever, it just ads a j.2h at the end and uses ll at the start which does worse damage than ml) is:
2M > 5M > j.ML > dj.LL > j.S > j.214L > j.LL > j.S > SD > j.LL > j.S > 214L > j.LL > j.S > j.236M
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>>205205509
everyone
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>>205205476
if you are lucky enough to have a stable online do it, i feel asi if muscle memory pays off faster in chain based games that others so you did good in practicing a lot, you'll see that you won't drop nearly as many combos like say SF4
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>>205205679
Have to learn how to keep your composure so you can just focus on the enemy's positioning and getting those combos done. That can only be done from playing enough.
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>>205205476
doesn't matter how much you practice them, gonna be a lot harder to make them happen in a game especially if it's online
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>try to do combo from video that doesnt have notation
>do it the 2nd try except the last air string
>spend next 20 minutes realizing that i had to use the autocombo version

if ur not gonna write it out at least mention autocombos reeeeeeeeee
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>>205205476
if you can do it in arcade mode you can do it online
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Guys:

>>205205846
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Perfect
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>>205206193
I believe the answer to your question is that hitstun decay does exist.
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>>205206193
yes
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Any Anons on ps4 want to play some friendly games? Im in US West Coast, Meeting Lobby 2. Im the Hercule avatar named MrBadman
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>>205204517
>http://www.strawpoll.me/15062589
for all the shitposting, I guess no one is really tier whoring in the general
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Huh, Adult Gohan kinda feels like Teen Gohan. Only much better.
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>>205206250
>>205206261
What the fuck is the timing then?

I keep on trying to practice my 16 combos and I drop it like 90% of the time.
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>mashing to wake up
>combo goes from red to blue regardless

Any particular reason?
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>>205206440
P-pls respond
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>>205204749
I usually don't use Hellzone midscreen because it's unsafe if I don't get the hard knockdown, and if I have the hard knockdown then I'm pushing their body to the corner.

5S/2S/j.S only being cancel-able into 3S/6S/Heavy and using up your smash is a bit disappointing, but workable. Here's what I managed to cobble togehter, maybe other Piccolos can add their two cents.

>5S
5S > 6S > Goku > 5H > superdash > j.LL > jc j.LL > j.214L corner carry (can use j.LLH > j.214 if close enough to corner)
5S > 6S > 5H > Freiza > 214M hard knockdown
5S > 6S > 5H > 236L to pursue

>2S/3S
Using this raw is a super hard read, but you can always replace the starter of the above combos from 5S to 2S and make it work. i.e. (3S) > 2S > 6S > 5H > 236L

>j.S
j.S > j.2H > jc j.LL > j.214L
j.S > j.2H > jc j.LL > j.214L Vanish > dash 5M > j.LL > jc j.LL > j.214L sideswap, 1 bar
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>>205206440
>>205208785
Gimme about 30 minutes, maybe less (at least 15)
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>>205208948
>5S > 6S > Goku > 5H > superdash
How? The superdash doesnt connecr for me after a grab. Ever.
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anyone got a good A18 bnb? wanna learn the character. is she best on point or 2nd?
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Who should I anchor for a Majin Buu/Beerus Team?
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>>205209647
Goku.
Then your team theme can be the hungry boys
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Anyone know any followups for Trunks's command jump? I can do it off LLL(blocked) then command jump M but there's no follow up other than vanish it seems. Even that only leads to like

LLL 214M m vanish dash 2M 5M JC jlmh and then nothing.

Anyone know of any better options off the jump roll thing?
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>>205209039
Nice. Thank you based anon.
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i need someone to fill the middle role for my cell/frieza team

no saiyan filth
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>>205210203
Isn't Cell part saiyan?
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>>205198706
Made for big android cock
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>>205208948
thanks a ton for the mini guide anon, i'll try it tomorrow cause i'm tired as hell, hope to see ya in another thread
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I played several hours worth of the game with friends and now I kinda want to buy, should I buy the regular version or the special that makes the DLC fighters free?

Also how do I learn to block? Learning to combo was the easy part since I've got decent execution, but I've never been good at blocking in 2D games.
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>>205210585
>Also how do I learn to block?
Hold back or down and back, and watch for overheads and grabs
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>>205206220
>Red eyes
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>>205210585
theres no dlc yet. if you are talking blue goku and vegeta, they are free in game after 300k and 500k zeni earned (dont have to save it up or anything, just earn that) or if you beat arcade on hard. a21 is from story complete (10 hours give or take). paying a bunch for season pass when nothing announced or shown and you have only played a couple hours isnt worth it. you could hate game tomorrow.
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>tfw someone comes up for body swap combos with your team

https://twitter.com/radiowave777/status/963126767128002566
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>>205209554
Summon him between 6S and 5H and his beam will connect after 5H allowing you to superdash.

Excuse the bitrate, I can't make webms.
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>>205211492
Isn't the point of bodyswap to deal as little damage as possible to your future body?
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>>205206440
>>205208785
>>205210107
Alright I'm heading in now except on the east side.

>PS4
>US EAST COAST 01
>ARENA MATCH FIRST LOBBY 01

I'm Luminus / Hercule / light green but I don't mind getting destroyed by any yellows, reds, or purples. I'm pretty basic so don't expect anything fancy. Come kick my ass (if you want). It's an open ring party in the middle of the arena match area. I'll be hosting it for about an hour unless the server starts kicking me. Anyone welcome. Swing by and join it if you want.
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Hey guys, remember me?
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>There are people who use Goten Rose
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>>205211802
Ill try and join
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>>205211802
Nope cant join. Fuck
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>>205212282
@Badman

Sorry bro won't let me connect to you right now either, also noticed that you were trying to join mine.
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>>205212378
Just restarted my PS4 and rehosted the lobby. Someone joined.
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>>205212617
Lmao, I appreciate the handicap to whoever joined. I really don't mind if you kick my ass though.

Man I drop easy combos so much.
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>>205211492
guldo body swap is pretty basic and doing it in corner is basically cheating. you corner them, you could just do some whack zchange glitch for 7k and kill them with these optimal starters. fact hes wasting meter to get a guldo assist body swap is retarded and impractical as fuck.
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>>205211154
Thanks
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official /dbzf/ tier list:

S tier: Cell, A.Gohan, Kid Buu, A.16
A Tier: Goku Black, Beerus, Hit, F. Buu Vegeta
Mid-tier: goku, blues, tien, nappa, anyone else not mentioned
Low Tier: Piccolo, Yamcha, Krillin

This is the official /dbzf/ tier list, whining will be disregarded
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>>205213527
someone's still an earthling?
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>>205213052
Unironically can't wait to see these cheap Ginyu's at high stakes tournaments. Body swap shenanigans are top hype.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fTCjwBQ5Ec&feature=youtu.be
Roast me and my bad habits, /dbfzg/
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>>205213527
But DBZF is one of the places that says Yamcha is godtier
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>>205213880
You can hold L/M/H to tech, you don't need to mash when in hitstun.
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>>205208607
Anyone? I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.
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>tfw you picked 16-Vegeta-Frieza from the start
>tfw you now know the first 2 rustle the jimmies of pretty much anybody

I couldn't be more glad.
Also who the fuck plays characters because they are broken instead of style reasons?
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>>205214335
See >>205214175
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So is this game dead on PC in Europe?
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>>205214093
yamcha needs a lockdown/beam assist to run his game, why run yamcha when you can play someone like beerus?

or cell/a.gohan/kid buu, etc.

>>205213621
ya nigga im sure krillin is good enough to beat cell LOL da fuck outta here scrub
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>>205205476
You will never be as bad as me. My heart starts racing even against the cpu.
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>>205214439
But Beerus needs a lockdown assist to set his orbs up.
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Man I feel so scrubby. Even I'm surprised that Trunks' level three took out Nappa.

You can intentionally combo into his level 3 from a long range 2M, which is the only reason a scrub like me has him as my anchor (for when I rack up 7 meter 'cus I suck and don't know how to use it properly).
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>>205214175
I thought I tried that... I'll give it another go. Thanks.
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>>205213527
Can confirm.
>t.yellow
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>>205214524
that's what I meant, why run a yamcha team when you can run in beerus who does the exact same thing but 9x better?
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>>205214413
At 7 am sure it is.
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>>205213527
What makes F. Buu A tier?
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>>205214413
seems fine to me
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>>205214837
I mean in general. I just woke up (5am)
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>>205213880
1:40 in and you have only called krillin assist twice, once wasted a senzu bean since you called it when being attacked and almost gave a21 the free heal. you also never called a single other assist, from vegeta to goku, in neutral. 2 of the best assists in game never used and you lost a character.
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>>205214927
>taking some yellow's tier list seriously
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>>205214958
In general it's fine.
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>>205214958
Same here.
Are you planning of sleeping in 2 times like me or you usually wake up this early?
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>pick up Cell/Black/Kid Buu just because I heard the latter two are piss easy to play
>immediately start beating heads in with them despite never playing Black or Buu before
So this is what it's like to mash overpowered buttons.
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>>205214927
restand tech
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>The year is 2018 and people still cannot instant air dash

This is why video games continue to get dumbed down for the sake of low IQers
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>>205215061
Usually I get tired at like 10am again which is when I'll take a long nap. (I'm a NEET)
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>>205215106
Thats pretty cool but how do you expect to get a hit to use the restand tech when the characters neutral is garbage?
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>>205215163
I'm between jobs now aswell and I cannot for the love of me either sleep or wake up early.
Maybe it's because it's cold as fuck and I don't want to freeze out.
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>>205215089
Kid Buu is going to have a huge drop off once you fight anyone with even mild idea.
Black is solid at any point, Cell is better.
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>>205215138
It's not an IQ issue, it's dexterity issue.
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>>205215264
when you can tag in f.buu from other characters mid-combo dude, you do know this is a tag fighter right?

>but but, his nootral is bad!!!!

so put a character with good neutral and tag him in, it's not rocket science
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>>205214463
Heh. Nice try kid. I break into a sweat when I face the AI.
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>>205214175
How many ways are their to tech? I only know Up and Down.

>>205214982
Yea, I'll try and get better. Its just once I had my Vegeta caught in a level 3 before and then he had hella blue life. After that I got him snapped in and died. Guess it still scares me.
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>>205215364
Cell's been my anchor since day 1, but Black is so obviously overpowered and easy to play that it's almost laughable.
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>>205215532
Cell is far better than Black and it's not even close.

Black is really easy to play though.
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>>205215532
>easy to play = overpowered
no
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>>205215532
black has 1 super slow medium low. thats it. very weak mixup game. no, you getting hit by instant transmission overheads isnt a mixup. its you not knowing how to reflect or when to push buttons.
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>>205215532
>Cell's been my anchor since day 1, but Black is so obviously overpowered
Kek.
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>>205215805
He has the best beam assist in the game, can convert big damage off any stray hit, everything links into everything, he has ridiculous hitboxes and can make himself safe off anything. Like going from Nappa to him is such an obvious and ridiculous upgrade in every way.
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>>205214439
>>ya nigga im sure krillin is good enough to beat cell LOL da fuck outta here scrub
>Thinks Kid Buu is S tier
>calls others scrub
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>>205215264
>mister buu
>bad neutral
Excuse me?
>the clap
>the dhalsim limbs where just touching you once with 1 bar on block starts the rape train
>tk l divebomb is safe on block
>any button leads to ground series, assist, gum
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>>205216097
give me actual reasons kidd buu isn't strong instead of mouthing off moron
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>>205216282
kid buu is really strong but nowhere near 16/cell/a.gohan level
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>>205216178
>IAD jH is basically yoga sniper
lmao buu is lowkey ridiculous, glad people are still sleeping on him
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>>205216634
people aren't going to be sleeping on him for very long
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>>205216094
his damage and combos are mediocre as fuck compared to 16/cell/a. gohan
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>>205168718
damn dudes.. this frieza spreadsheet is so deep.......
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>tfw so good everyone actively refuses matches from me after getting their shit handed
I literally cannot play ranked anymore
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>wait two minutes
>match found
>wait 60 seconds
>no reply
>repeat
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How do I use Hit's time skip against a level 3
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did people figure out yet that the best way to get good at fighting games is to play long sets with people, preferably offline. Why even waste your time with ranked?
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is freiza's 2M or whatever explodes the ground blockable while crouching? I've played like 3 freizas where I've blocked everything, end up crouched because I had to block the low tail swipe attack and then get btfo by the explosion
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>>205216991
What a dumb post
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>>205216959
press A
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>>205216696
I disagree, there's only like 2 or 3 notable players dabbling in Buu. Even if they have a good showing in a major, I don't think that would drive people to suddenly study him
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Reposting since it's been a while and we've been having a lot of good matches:

>PS4
>US EAST COAST 01
>ARENA MATCH FIRST LOBBY 01

I'm Luminus / Hercule / light green but I don't mind getting destroyed by any yellows, reds, or purples. I'm pretty basic so don't expect anything fancy. Come kick my ass (if you want). It's an open ring party in the middle of the arena match area. I'll be hosting it for about an hour unless the server starts kicking me. Anyone welcome. Swing by and join it if you want.
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>>205217114
Level 3 doesn't care
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This game feels fucking unplayable at anything higher then 2-3 frames of delay
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>>205217018

You pushed a button to try to counter the 2m tail swipe.
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>>205217304
I was going to join but I keep getting booted from the lobby
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>>205216959
is that what his parry is called? you can't
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>>205218016
I swear I did it on 21 once but I've never been able to since
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>>205217993
That was happening to me but I restarted my PS4 and it started working
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>>205218207
you cant parry supers or dragon rushes/grabs
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>>205218270
Ok, I'll give it another go
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>>205218279
If I had the replay I could see what I did but muh rage quit
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Goku (Torn Gi) costume when?
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>>205219115
Never, lobby-only. And it only has 4 colors anyways
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>>205213527
goku blue is a tier at worst because of how stupid his autocombo is and ez mode snapbacks
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>>205219430
how does he get easier snapbacks than other characters?
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>>205213527
>this list
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Does jumping and holding back not block? Cause I keep getting hit while doing it and it's rustling my jimmies real good. Just ate a raw level 3
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>>205219657
in the corner you can just combo into snapback after qcfM in the air (they wallbounce and then land into it) or jump -> snapback after the second hit of his autocombo because for some reason it has 1000 years of hitstun

on top of being able to meterlessly snapback he has a ton of great options against incoming characters that all loop back into another snap, it lets you run the mvc gameplan
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>>205219863
you can get hit for about ~4 frames when you start a jump.
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>>205219989
sounds interesting, i'll mess around with him.
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why is yamcha low tier I thought he was great in this game
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Alright, I've been labbing forever with Nappa (and I'm bad at labbing).

The best I can do with him for two bars is 5475.

2M > 5M > 2H > Superdash > j.MLL > jc j.LLL > Vanish > j.2H > 236M > (Beam Assist) > 236S - 236HS/Giant Storm

I can't get it to work with my team, though. Tien's beam pops them up too high for Blazing Storm (236S) to hit. Worked when I tested with Goku, though.
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Damn Juicebox got real salty after his session of playing tonight.
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>>205216282
No, git gud.

If you want something with that attitude, figure it out on your own since no one in their right mind will help you. You do need help if you think Kid is S tier.
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>>205220328

Dsepite appearance he's more setup than high damage. Plant saibamen while they're in assist stun, then continue pressure.
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>>205220174
I think all the "pressure" and "mixup" characters have fallen out of favor in general due to people getting used to defending against those now.
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>hovering over return to lobby and rematch until the time runs out
imagine being this much of a salty bitch
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>>205220493
his style of play doesn't work for this game.

EVERYTHING feels like it's safe in this
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https://twitter.com/yohosiefgc/status/963632399665041408
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>super dash spamming in a laggy match
this game is absolute cancer
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>>205221879
Spam 2H?
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>>205221236
Is that unblockable?
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>>205222031
Yea that totally works
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>>205222115
it's a 50/50.
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>play 10 ranked matches
>win 9, drop one trying to 16 suicde a scrub because I got too big for my britches and didn't respect that 7 bars and lvl 3 sparking can do damage quick
>still get 3 people who don't ragequit, but simply give up and let me ki charge and then 16 suicide them to end it quicker

I mean i won almost every match because people DIDN'T LOW BLOCK EVER and I could just do a babby ass Cell BnB twice to each character and just win
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>>205221879
Can superdash create a legit crossup when they do it from 60 feet in the air? Because I feel like it's happened to me more then once
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>>205223076

Yeah this is what annoys me. I have no idea if all my stuff is good or not because I'm playing against shitters.

>>205223209

It happens yeah.
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Why is kid buu's assist considered good?
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>>205198706
confirmed shit
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>>205223285
>It happens yeah.
One of the most garbage mechanics I've ever experienced online
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>>205224036

Yeah super dash in neutral is fucking infuriating. "Just 2H it" yeah I do, 90% of the time. But that 10% means some utter stupid shitter gets a free combo despite having gotten 2H punished like 3 times in a row.

It's annoying.
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>>205198706
>>205223945
>such a bad villain she gets bodied by ss1 goku/vegeta while they couldn't even use their full power
why do people even like her again
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https://sites.google.com/view/dbfzhbtchamber/android-21

So I'm looking at the midscreen bnb for this
>(0/Any/Any) 2M > 5M > jc > j.MLL > j.2H > Super Dash > j.MLL > jc > j.LMS > j.236S - (4130 dmg, 1.20) - air command grab to gain special move, no hard knockdown, can combo into lvl 3 super after for 5651 dmg

You can make this 4255 with after the super dash if you change the MLL to a LM2H. That's looking like my bnb for most characters.
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>>205224646
>i'd better take this video game story where base nappa can body ssr goku black really seriously
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>>205224672
i don't like ending mid screen combos with the grab unless i really want the beam.

why not end with 214M? gives you extensions after assist too
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I think that the best part of this game is that there's not many tools to communicate with people.
You go in, you play, you go out.
No bullshit, no feelings, no kiddie playground shit.
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>>205224962
Oh I meant to put the 214M one. He has both but it is the same. Yeah that's the one I'm doing right. Trying to learn extensions now.
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>>205224927
>implying Nappa in this game isn't a Saiyan Beyond God
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>>205225069
really simple to extend with a beam assist, just hit the button slightly after and super dash into whatever
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>>205225180
Yeah that's what I was going to say. I'm working with a 21/adult gohan/black. You can go into her grab after the beam assist if you really want the ground grab.
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Is there a way to modify where do assists appear in the game?
I mean, can I use Vegeta's assist mid air for example?
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>tfw yellow square
I know it doesn't mean much to most, but I never thought I'd get past green when I started
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>>205225853
>tfw stuck at super saiyan rank and light green
im not gonna make it bros
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Sparking blast is a dumb comeback mechanic desu.
Feels op when I use it
Feels op when they use it
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https://www.twitch
.tv/maxdamagetv
Tournament with BrkrDv, Tatsu, KizzieKay and Reynald.
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>>205225853
>tfw green square because hasn't touched ranked since launch
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>>205226189
I think level 3 sparking lasts too long. And the fact that a level 3 super does fuck all to it because it recovers health so fast. I just hate comeback mechanics in general desu
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>>205224129
Really the only thing that gets me tilted in this game is getting hit by a super dash, especially when I know I blocked or hit 2H, but didn't do it in time. It's why it's so cancerous while online
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>Niggas who tryhard and do lame shit like turtling in non-ranked games

Why? Too shit for ranked?
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>>205227118
Nigga you dumb
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>>205227247
Not really it makes sense.
You're really desperate to win, but you can't win in ranked against other tryhards, so you join casuals where people are playing for fun or trying new people and you go full tryhard for that extra edge.
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>Try to use quick change
>instead of switching, get regular assist call
>die
What the fuck, I know I was holding forward because I started moving forward before the assist came out
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I don't think I can resist a Goku any longer. I feel like my neutral would improve instantly with a beam assist
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>>205227334
You make a good point
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>>205227334
>blocking is tryhard
I play in ranked so don't worry about me hurting your feelings.
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>>205227626
Nice strawman
Blocking =/= sitting in the corner and refusing to do anything
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I just can't figure out how to use assists.

Someone spoonfeed me assist combos with a Goku/Vegeta/Trunks team.
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>opponent picks black
>match starts
>instant 5H or 2H
every time like clockwork
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>>205228547
Why is he allowed to have H twice the size of everybody else?
In a game where a H leads to a 4'5k HP combo?
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>>205228547
>Be 16
>Against Black
>He uses 5H
>I use 5H
>Destroy his boypussy until he swaps

God bless le balanced cyborg of infinite strings
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>>205229165
>cyborg
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>>205226383
Ranked doesn't affect your square tho

I played nothing but casuals and ring matches and got yellow and when I started ranked i literally ran through everyone cause it kept matching me against light green saibamen that didn't do the tutorial that tells you HOLD DOWN BACK TO BLOCK
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>>205229201
16 is the only actual android too tho
17/18/19/20 are all cyborgs
Cell and 21 are genetically engineered bioorganic beings
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When are they adding him
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goku blue frame data where
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>>205229421
https://youtu.be/M8zd_8yuJiQ
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>>205229418
19 was an android
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18's knock kneed fighting stance gets me all hot and bothered
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Through my own experimentation, I'm fairly sure instant transmission is 0~ -1 on block but vunerable to any preemptive 2h
236X is -4 or so (not sure on EX, hard to tell with that one)
J214X can be plus if hit low (sp cancel of 2h is useful for that but once again loses to their own 2h so you'd want to mix it up with 2h XX SD or 2h (block)
apart from that his buttons are similar to SSJ Goku
5LLL is punishable and i think there's a 6-7f gap between the low and overhead on block ( possibly useful for frametraps with 5m/2m)
5m 9f god button can be made safe with 236L
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If I see another goku black I'm going to hang myself.
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>>205230065
meant for
>>205229545
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>>205230183
thanks, but I was actually more interested in startup speeds
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>>205230125
Goodbye anon
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>>205230125

This is the power of a God!
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Does 18's assist make you invincible to everything other than supers?
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>tfw I have been waiting for a casual match for 30 minutes on ps4
Fuck am I really going to have to play ranked?
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>>205230125
Seems like the plan Zero Skill is going well.
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is fighterz gonna die?
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>>205230959
every game dies
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>>205231005
tell that to melee
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>>205230747
It's not like there's much difference.
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>>205230747
Seems like something is wrong
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>>205230125
WAGA YAIBA
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goku blue is secretly one of the best assists in the game
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>>205231186
I'm trying out new combos, new teams and new tactics period. I would rather not play against oranges and pinks with their tryhard squads. I honestly still haven't found my main real team.
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>>205231252
>been waiting for a casual match since 1 am
>try ranked at 1:30
>get hit with you have left the lobby right tnow
Yeah I can't find a ranked match either. I'm going to sleep fuck this shit.
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>>205230747

They should just remove casual matches from all fighting games and make them all ranked only
all it really does is split the player base for no reason
It's not like ranks determine how good you are they're just a number
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>>205231950
ranked in 1v1 games not even having unique scores for each character makes casual matches a must.
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>>205231950
There's times when I don't want to use my best team. When you want to just experiment and try out stuff on a moving player before hopping into ranked. It doesn't help that they put your win percentage every where unlike other fighters that would just show bp. I want to know how good I'm doing when I'm trying my very best versus me testing shit out.
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>>205227489
And that doesn't work, anon.
You MUST press forward and assist at the SAME TIME. Anything else will just call regular assist.
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>>205229418
So 16 is the only one who can't fug?
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I can't fucking decide who I want to play
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>>205232763
black, vegeta and whoever you think is cool
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>>205232797
>tfw like black but all the negativity around him makes me not play him
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>18 randomly decides to call 17 in neutral
>tracks my height perfectly because why the fuck not lol

nice fucking game
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>>205232879
>caring about what scrubs on a Taiwanese image board that saibaman rank think about you
Fuck them black is fun as fuck to play as
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>>205232665
I mean most likely cell can't because he was engineered to kill goku and fucking isn't probably a priority for a bug/namekian/saiyan hybrid

21 maybe
Foxy Grandpa and Fucko the Clown probably not because gero didn't need a dick to make his son again and the clown probably had its dick replaced with a power draining antenna
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>>205232763
Easy and Fun
Black, 16
Fun but slightly ( very slightly) more work intensive
Cell, 18, Frieza
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>>205232959
Learn the game kid
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Do you think Broly is going to be bigger than 16 ingame? Or will they scale him down
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>>205232959
>call 18 assist on oki
>dragon rush green circle is fucking invisible

18 in general is just a ball of unfair grime
there's always one character like that in every asw game
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>>205233143
do you have something of substance to contribute
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>>205233303
You lost, get over it.
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>>205233303
Do you?
>waaaahh
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>>205233347
I guessed not, but I was being charitable giving you a chance
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jesus chrisg is pretty good
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>>205197762
That shit made me lose my sides
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>>205233479
He better be after spending thousands of hours playing mvc

>>205233415
You're just coming here to bitch. Everyone knows it. You're not contributing. Git gud.
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>>205233503
16 is the best character in the game, design, gameplay and meme wise.
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>people with zero ranked matches absolutely fucking raping my anus in two

what are you fucking waiting for. Go play ranked you fuck
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>>205234494
get
gud
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>>205234494
I can't because I keep disconnecting
I don't want to turn purple
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>Super Saiyan Rank
A-am I good yet?
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So, I am using Tien/Frieza for sure. Who would be a good one to round this group out?
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>>205235339
not until youre pink
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>>205235958
I'm still a shitter then I suppose
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>>205235940
Looks like you need a point/battery character.
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>>205235940
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I don't know man, I think this game got too much fucking pressure. Like jesus fucking christ 90% of the game is stuck in the corner for ever.
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>>205236969
did you ever play marvel lmao this shit normal
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>>205238093
Where block strings in the minutes in marvel? i don't remember that shit.
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Is there a collection of all the colors?
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Why is everyone crying about Cell/Black but 16 doesn’t even get a mention? He’s hands down the most OP now, he just seems to do everything.
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>>205239250
HIDDEN MISSILES
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>>205240004
And he gets mad damge with braindead combos, 16 is the most stupid character right now.
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>>205176908
nah. with how small the roster is I can play it for much less before i've used everyone more than once in that sitting and everything starts feeling stale
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Give me a good Android 21 Bnb please
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>I'm a yellow player
>My opponent is an orange
>Free battle

The first two rounds go to him, he destroys me quite easily with long combos and I can't do a thing. Later I have the opportunity to face him. First round he still defeats me, but I begin to understand his strategy and his way to attack. Second match, a bit because i play safe, a bit' because Beerus and Gohan have devastating Super I can finally defeat him. Third round, my opponent goes into full autism with even more extreme combos and changing characters continuously to widen his damage.

Should I think I made him angry or it's a sign of respect? I'm not complaining, he was undoubtedly a better player than me.
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>>205168964
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>>205242893
>white hair
>GT Pan
>SSJ4

But we don't like fan-fiction, hence Super isn't canon.
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>>205242893
>Mexicans being able to offered an accurate Pan sex doll
que?
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>>205242783
Probably neither, he more than likely just hit his stride in the 3rd game. Any offensive-heavy fighting game has that feeling where you keep running at the enemy as they can't figure you out and you keep getting away with everything.
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>>205242719
I don't know any Android 21 bed and breakfasts sorry
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I like
>Piccolo
>Trunks
>Gotenks
>Freeza
>Blue Goku
>Hit
>Beerus
In no particular order.
I've only ever played 1v1 fightan, who the fuck do I put on my team? I like interesting tech, resets and messing around with people online.

Help pls.
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>>205244680
yamcha/gotenks/hit
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>>205244680
Beerus/Boku/Freeza seems interesting

Hit/Trunk/Assist might work
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My team is Piccolo and 16 so far, I'm unsure who to put as my third? Right now I have Teen Gohan but I feel like I'm limiting myself.
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>>205245306
This is a team that i have to try too. Seems pretty funny.
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>2 days until V-Jump
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Is there any good online player using Worst Gohan?

PS: Teen Gohan Autocombo with M is frighteningly powerful.
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Any way to unlock 21 that doesn't involve grinding the story? I wanna watch the story but I don't wanna feel obligated to do it.
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>>205244680
I suggest you try Beerus/Trunks/Freeza

>>205245351
How about 18/16/Piccolo ?
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>>205246472
Apparently, those who bought the FIghterZ pass have her already unlocked. (Well, I don't know, because I already unlocked through Story Mode and I didn't buy the pass yet).
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>>205223589
If it hits and they didn't block, it can keep the opponent staggered so you can easily continue your combo (if they're on the ground). If it hits and they did block, it'll made them hold that block so you can try to mix them up.
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>>205246583
Looks like you can change your save file around to unlock her. Thanks.
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>>205246756
Ah, if you're on PC, yeah. That's super easy to do.
You should have precised, anon.
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>>205246923
I always forget EasyAntiCheat is a joke desu.
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>>205246498
I'll try 18 out, thanks anon.
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>Use lv1 super as opponent falls
>He goes up and invincibility frames through it
>Get knockdown
>Eat lv 1 or 3 without being able to do anything
how fucking trash I am that I can't even chain a fucking super from a knockdown
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>>205246756
>>205246923
pls explain i'm a brainlet
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>>205250140
when you enter training mode pick the right side
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>>205233168
Broly's head will be covered by the life bars
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>>205239361
I'll give you everyone's colors in 5-6 hours
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who synergies well with Nappa on point? right now I'm running Nappa/Goku/Vegeta just because they were the first characters I gravitated towards.

Vegeta's assist works well with him, obviously, and Goku's beam assist lets me get off some Saibaman plants. I mean, I'm definitely not going to drop the team entirely but I am curious about a few other potential synergies.

I've seen 16 and Freeza both mentioned.
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>>205250735
i play him with vegeta and frieza for lore reasons and they both work well with him assistwise.
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>>205233168
Same as 16.
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who is blasting KACHIDAZE here while playing FighterZ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlB8msy_uko
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>>205251571
was actually listening to it right now
nice to finally hear it without all the sound effects
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man I want to stick with regular Goku but all his buttons have limited reach compared to Black. he's solid but Black just overall feels like a huge improvement to regular Goku. plus the specials are all better.

didn't want to but I think I'm gonna replace him with the better version
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>>205242719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OwTjdmS6dY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rMzVH8YAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSNwagcKjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I9K9YDhRJk

>>205252151
personally I prefer normal Goku only for the fact that he can get slide knockdowns meterless from everywhere
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>>205252151
that's factually wrong
ss goku has a bunch of advantages over black
his 2M (your main poke) is much better, it's 10f instead of 12f and it has bigger range
his 5S is great for checking people fullscreen while black's is slow and not worth the commitment since it can be super dashed through, yellow goku even has a 2S for checking people in the air and combos
his beam is insanely better: quicker recovery, can be done air and ground, can be angled
goku can also get a sliding knockdown from any random hit (like beam zoning) while black needs the corner (which rarely happens after beam xx vanish)
his damage midscreen is also higher in general since he can get double super, which is even more damage than a lvl 3
black is much better looking though
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>>205253334
>his damage midscreen is also higher in general since he can get double super, which is even more damage than a lvl 3
Wasn't aware of this, explain?
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>>205253521
aircombo into jS 214L (one hit) super kamehame-ha down, teleport kamehame-ha
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>>205252151
The obvious solution is to play 2 Goku.
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>>205253723
i'm unironically doing this
x/black/s.goku is a great team with most characters
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Did a count of assists on brkrdv vs tatsu match to see how much they call assists vs myself. I dont know how to play this game. Did it for the 3rd match only. Im lucky to call this many assists in 10 games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8RJfz--w8

assist calls 3vs3
brkrdv - 11
Tatsu - 9
total assist calls before first character death, 167 timer left, brkrdv 3 chars, tatsu 2 left

brkrdv - 4
tatsu - 2

tatsu kills buu during bad assist call, 2-2

brkrdv - 1
tatsu - 0

tatsu kills buu 2-1

brkrdv - 0
tatsu - 3


Total assists called:
brkrdv - 16
tatsu - 14
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>>205254538
fuck, have buu killed twice, one death is ginyu.
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did you ever get a dramatic finish?
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>>205253792
Team Goku going BlueGoku/GokuBlack/SSJGoku is disgusting seeing how well it works.
I'm surprised how rare this team is.
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>>205254796
I don't know how to get them.
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>>205254796
>not you fool
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>>205254796
>you moron
>not you FOOL

REEEEEE
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>>205254904
and a match with a 5H while having the right condition
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Is there a way to switch a character in using their second level 1 ultimate?

I can switch them in to use a level 3 no problem, no clue if it's possible to make them use their other level 1
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>>205255056
no
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is cell/kid buu/ frieza a good team? Or 18/cell/ frieza is better? If not what would you change? No saiyans pls
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>>205255245
18 is terrible point character. cell is amazing in any position and makes every team better, but is great point. kid buu has great neutral too if you want him point to start off a match. either team is solid looking, just swap 18 and cell start spot, tag in 18 when you get a hit and let her setplay. frieza is weak link on both, but not terrible by any means.
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It's funny because Nappa is the weakest character and irrelevant at this point.

Android saga Yamcha or Krillin would one-shot him.
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>Unlock SSB Vegeta
Holy shit this is the best anchor I've ever played with
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>>205255438
Why is 18 a bad point? That's mainly where I saw top players use her before they all started dropping her completely
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>>205255969
nappa at least is somewhat original and cool in a sea of same faced blond faggots
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>>205256117
Not him but her neutral game is awful and between that and her shit range she has trouble getting in and starting combos. Tag her in for great oki with 17 but I honestly don't even think she's that good in general, not just as a point.
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>>205256117
from what i saw everybody at start used her as a point but now that people are learning she is falling from grace due to her nonexistent neutral game. She is still a beast at the corner.
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>>205254796
Only Freeza and Beerus for now.
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>>205256117
i wouldn't call her neutral bad
obviously her normals are stubby but some of them move forward like 5M, she has a good beam-tier fireball you can control, 17 assist to cover your approach (even from fullscreen with 214S)
i'd rather play her point than mid considering her assist is complete ass
it's probably preference though
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>>205255969
nappa has taken over hell and is ssgss golden demon form and strongest in all existence. as a saiyan, if resurrected now, his power would exceed all known limits. pay respects.
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Are they going to fix #16 or am I supposed to keep playing against this shit, i'm starting to get very nervous.
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>>205256553
stop waiting for nerfs and figure out how to play against him
that's a bad mentality for fighting games
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man doing diagonals with the dpad is so fucking weird in this game. It seems you need to be extremely perfect with your thumb placement otherwise the game seems give priority to a 8 input instead of 9. Really fucking weird, i have to be extra conscious when moving around.
On the opposite side doing IADs with the keyboard is so fucking easy, too bad is not tourney viable and fuck if i'm gonna spend all those money in a hitbox.
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Should I run Bluegeta or Chadhan as my last character when I use Trunks and Yamcha?
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>>205256548
you know i always considered nappa an obnoxious retarded brute but after seeing his link events he is kinda enjoyable, in a barbaric way
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>>205256743
It's not too bad most of the time but it's cost me a couple of air dash combos
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>>205256806
both blues are point characters
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do we agree that Ginyu and the Force are not villains but just super cool guys enlisted in a enemy army?
Also ginyu neutral game is something else
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>>205254852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayae6QhRKT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjiLLlkd9eQ

This was fun to watch
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>>205256996
But bluegeta needs meter
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>>205256937
>but it's cost me a couple of air dash combos

well yeah it's not impossible but it has a way large margin of error than other controllers and in a comp game missing a combo can make the difference between winnin and losing. Really weird decision for a game made with the pad in mind
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>>205253637
Thanks. Just tested it and it works. Never knew that before. Nice. If I start off with regular Goku and do a double ultimate I can DHC into Blueku, who knocks the opponent down into Black with his blade super. It deals 7k off of 4 meter and it's easy as hell to do. Or it does 7874 damage off of 6 meter if I end it with Black's level 3.

>>205253723
Threw Goku/Black/Blueku on a team together. Been meaning to for kicks and giggles anyway.
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>>205256553
He's not even insanely broken by any fighting game tier list standard. They can nerf him and youll want cell nerfed. They nerf him and then youll bitch about vegeta assist. Then youll bitch about black. Then youll bitch about goku. It'll never end with you fucking trash players. Thats why they ignore you - you are irrelevant and you dont even know how to play the game. Youve never reflected anythign intentionally nor have you guard cancelled or done any defensive tools. You couldnt even name what is + or - for 16's entire kit or know his blockstring or optimal combos. You are literal garbage. go to gamefags or steam and complain to your echochamber soyboy faggots. league or overwatch would be good home for shit like you.
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>>205257129
Blues build meter faster than others. And, no, you dont need meter to do his vanish super garbage every time just because it looks cool.
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>>205256937
Yep, pretty much. The game is very friendly with those who use the pad, but I have noticed some imput problems too. You must be perfect.
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is there a more epic moment in the show than an angry Gohan exploding into SSJ2?
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>>205257360
>just because it looks cool.
But that's exactly why I need to do it every time
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>>205257242
Not him but 16 seems worse than Cell or Black, at least for me. I can't use him for shit but he curbstomps me nearly every time specially when assisted by Vegeta.
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>>205257360
I'm trying to play with SSGSS Goku, but really, i can't see him better than SS Goku. Probably my fault because i'm not yet understood how to fight with him. The vanish is by no means a reliable move. I ironically won some battles without using it because my opponent was clearly there waiting for that.
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>tfw can't play against other players because I don't have psplus.
Why the fuck did I bought this game... fucking jewish practices.
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Damn dudes, you guys lied to me. Blueku is great.

I'm shit at assists but his is actually really good for a scrub like me. Damn.
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>>205258012
>can't afford $9.99 for a month
Anon, I...
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>>205258012
That's why I got it for PC, still the PC community seems to be dying. I do not know if it's the server's fault or the fact that many people have run away.
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>>205258141
if the pc population is dropping, you can bet the console community is dropping harder because they have higher initial sales to way more casuals. the drop off always happens with fighters but its probably dropping harder than it wouldve due to all the online issues which are even more severe on consoles
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>>205258093
>supporting the jew
No. I rather not.
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So, Anon. Which character do you love and play despite being pure fucking garbage with him compared to everyone else?

Mine's Beerus
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>>205258863
Blueku
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>>205258863
Fat Buu. He can't carry me with op normals and I can't implement any of his tech but fuck if I don't love that fat gorilla.
Beerus is in similar situation.
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>>205258141
>PC community seems to be dying

can we fucking stop this meme? You are too used to moba/fps and twitch numbers. Those numbers don't apply to fighting games, they are a much more niche genre and they need a much lower userbase to be sustainable. It's a 1v1 game after all.
Fightans are just their own thing
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>>205259375
> Fat Buu

How many players who still don't know what the fuck to do when i pull him out is really surprising. They just don't seem to expect the kind of shit in his tool kit.
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>>205215138
>people still cannot instant air dash

This is a joke right? Do people really have all these problems to deal with air movements?
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>>205213527
SS Goku it's a solid A tier.
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>>205258863
Beerus. I'm trash with him but i love his gameplay. I faced people who knew what they was doing and in that case, Beerus become quite scary.
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>>205257707
Nope, that shit is god tier
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>>205215138
>>205260031
People are going to have a problem instant air dashing for as long as xbox controller exists and is a standard for pc games because of all the xbox ports.
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>>205261052
Feels good having a DS4.
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>>205261052
>problem instant air dashing

Anon, I can not even defend myself with that shit. For my opponents, I'm probably a retarded with hands problems.
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>>205261362
There's a problem with even basic dashing on analog stick. That thing is a fucking garbage.
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>>205190030
Because he's never been a BADMAN
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>>205175976
there are people in frieza clan that spam auto combos and homing dash.
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>>205239250
hey man, at least you get a guaranteed chance to play after a character dies. Are you telling me that I don't have to hold a multi-layered high-low-left-right incoming mixup ? God damn
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>>205262597
>>205262597
>>205262597
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>>205258141
Reminder that steam communities are a great thing for fighting games because you'll have unlimited access to people of varying skill levels who will fight you in serious and long matches




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