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Remind me why everyone considers them to be the be all-end all authority on Pokemon?
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>>32120095
Many years ago they decided to fill a niche GameFreak still refuses to, and it paid off.
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>>32120108
The ban everything they can't deal with niche?
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>>32120095
They aren't an authority by any means, but lots of people like to play their by their standards; probably because they agree with their rule sets.
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>>32120095
Basically it comes down to the fact that singles was originally the only format. That just do happens to be the one that they cater to.

Basically Smogonites can't let go
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>>32120139
Damn you got me.
Anything else you'd like to add? Or are we done here?
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>>32120095
unofficial as fuck lol
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>>32120128
I agree with this comic's point wholeheartedly, but
>that fucking haircut
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>>32120163
Yeah, I think it captures a reasonable opinion.
Yeah she's got some weird hair.
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>>32120128
>don't have to play it
>constant DCs on cart if you don't play by those rules
This person has never played pokemon before.
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>>32120189
Does it really happen that often on battle spot?
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>>32120189
>expecting someone to sit through half an hour of Double Team
If you're concerned about DCs just play Battle Spot. They get reprimanded for DCing, and you advance. Why, with logic like that I'm sure you could make it to +1900 points easy.
This is not going to happen because people don't DC that often.
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>>32120197
battle spot does not include 6v6 singles, it's probably free link battles.
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>>32120205
playing on cart random 6v6 link battles sounds fucking terrible in the first place.
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>>32120128
>problem hair
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>>32120189
>You can't DC! Come back here so I can beat you with skill!
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>>32120128
>tumblrite sjw scum is right
>white male is wrong and dumb

Everytime
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>>32120128
>it's a "smogonfag demonizing literally everyone who don't play by smogon rules with strawmans and a comic" episode
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>>32120227
>I can't think of an argument, I'll just assume they're retarded and insult them accordingly! That'll show them!
Stay classy /vp/
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>>32120231
I thought the comic only referred to people being mad at smogon for those points, not everyone who doesn't play smogon. I mean, where does it even say "You should play smogon" or imply not playing smogon makes you wrong? I don't see it.
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>>32120231
>demonizing
>literally just gave my opinion with a matching comic
Welp, it was worth a shot.
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>>32120128
>dialogue that could be just write down and it would still fly because there is no use of the fact that its a comic
>reasonable arguments
>two panels of cheekyness
What is even the point of this, does tumblr also love to grab (you)s on their freetime or what
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>>32120109
>I know nothing: the post
he means 6v6 singles
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>>32120263
>dialogue that could be just write down and it would still fly because there is no use of the fact that its a comic
I really didn't think it would be that big of a deal. I thought the comic did a good job of portraying my opinion in a way that that anybody would be able to read.
>What is even the point of this, does tumblr also love to grab (you)s on their freetime or what
Just ignore the appearances of the characters. What's important is what's being said; how they look is irrelevant.
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>>32120095
I hate smogon. I lost my best friend to it
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>>32120128
I agree with this, and it still is the very definition of awful strawman comic. It even comes with exaggerated faces and shitty art to boot. Not to mention it reads like a fucking released statement from Smogon.
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I like Smogon but I don't think it should ever be considered official.
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>>32120345
Smogon killed my father and raped my mother.
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>It's a smogonfag posts a straw man comic episode
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I like Smogon. It's comfy and easy to wear.
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>>32120128
Cringe
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Smogon is fine, they do a good job at keeping an essentially broken game together and the tier system allows for ore mons to shine in their respective niche. VGC player may find it a bit infuriating that they have such a huge infuence on the community that they instantly draw every dweeb towards a game that is basically not-Pokemon (thus resulting in retards complaining about spore and the likes), but that is mostly Game Freak's fault of not including more double battles in the game.
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>>32120095

No one actually does that. They're just popular because they provide the only somewhat playable competitive metagame.
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>>32120163
I agree I don't really like her hairstyle, but whatever her choice and whatnot
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>>32120227
man you guys got the problems inc
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>>32120402
Except, y'know VGC exists...
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>>32120095
I don't even play smogon, just VGC, just play the official format and shut the fuck, you autist.
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>it's an episode featuring the term strawman when people who use it don't even know what it means but it's a funny word so they use it kind of episode
>we're still doing this >it's an x episode shit
meme hypocrisy aside, fucking anons never learn do they so I'm just gonna post this one because Verlisify indentified with the meme on the right so much that he made a video, I mean a hit piece, about it.
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>>32120420
Lol
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>>32120424
I'm not here to bash VGC but it's not hard to understand that doubles as a format isn't for everyone, especially when the games themselves do very little to actually support such a playstyle and singles competitive under Smogon's rules have been around a lot longer too.

Just let people enjoy playing what they want. There's really no downsides to enjoying both.
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>>32120424
You are awesome, Anon.
How do you feel about Mega Mawile being usable now?
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>>32120425
Holy shit, you don't even know how to reply to posts. You're definitely a newfag. Fuck off back to wherever you came from. You don't even know what "strawman" means but pretend that people using it to correctly describe the comic you posted are wrong because you say so.
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>>32120420
Kek. The average Smogon player doesn't even know VGC exists.
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>>32120447
Gonna need a source on that...
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>>32120447
Thats fucking bullshit and you know it.
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>>32120447
They have an entire forum for it.
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>>32120447
nobody believes this
not even (You)
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>>32120456
The average Smogon player doesn't actually use their forums.
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>>32120459
How would you know? Are you an average Smogon player?
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>>32120442
Is this some kind of experimental post? Looks like a dud to me lmoa
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>>32120471
My friends that play Pokemon think that Smogon is the official way to play because they see every Pokemon YouTuber playing by Smogon rules.

I play VGC as well as Smogon and I can tell you that while the hardcore Smogon players that play in their tourneys know about VGC, their casual fans are stuck in this bubble where Smogon is the undisputed way to play.
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>>32120482
So Smogon appeals to casuals is what your saying?
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>>32120482
Kinda a big generalization I would say, but I get it, I could understand that
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>>32120488
Not intentionally or consciously, but yes. Players just getting into the competitive scene heavily tend towards Smogon for many reasons. As a result, their fanbase is much bigger.

Look at Showdown and the enormous number of casuals in low ladder. VGC and Smogon probably have a similar number of serious players, but Smogon blows VGC out of the water when it comes to casual play.
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>>32120482
I'm gonna have to agree with this anon.>>32120489
>>32120495
Lots of new players do like Smogon. And for good reasons. You don't have breed anything, it's free to play, you can get advice from your opponents after the match, and the forums are pretty extensive.
I don't think it's a bad thing that people are going to Showdown to learn about viable sets.
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>>32120502
Exactly. Smogon (and Showdown) is actually a great gateway into competitive and it brings a lot of people into VGC as well. GameFreak and Nintendo don't exactly do a very good job of that themselves. People should stop forcing this stupid Smogon vs. VGC meme. That's the business of faggots like Verlisify.
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>>32120095
because they're pretty much the only big group that tries to do something with ungodly imbalance of pokemon and give most pokemon some kind of battling purpose beyond being cannon fodder in story - this is done through tiers, vgc doesn't do it
people who are vehemently against them are usually (not all of them) shitters who can't play the game but can regurgitate memes
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>>32120345
Smogon stole my girlfriend :(
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Can someone tell me what they don't like in particular about smogon? A lot of the time I see just bullshit "smogonfags banned my bro fuck smogon blaziken isn't broken articuno is broken" logic. What actual reasons do people have to dislike it?
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>karenfags hate smogon
>when smogon is the system in which their "bros" have the most chance of being viable
Explain this.
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One thing I never understood.

Why smogon? Why not mew or fking muk?

Why do they have to use this ugly piece of shit called auschwitzmon?
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>>32120589
I believe it's because they typically have a whole team of "bros" spanning multiple tiers and want to use them at all at once.

Which doesn't really make any sense either as there's nothing stopping them from using said team in whichever tier their highest pokemon is in, but hey it's not my logic.
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>>32120589
It's the pervasive notion that OU is the only tier that matters.
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>>32120626
OU isn't even that fun. I prefer UU. But hey, that's the beauty of Smogon. You can pick what tier you play.
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>>32120625
It really doesn't make sense. Nothing's stopping them from using a team of PU shitmons in Ubers if they want, but they don't. Yet official formats are fine, despite allowing the exact same shit.
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>>32120640
I tend to agree with you, because 7th gen UU is a lot closer to earlier gens of OU. The current OU meta doesn't appeal to me very much at all.
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>>32120640
>the beauty of Smogon. You can pick what tier you play.
This is pretty much the entire point of the tier system. But some retards, smogonfags and anti-smogonfags alike, don't see it that way. OU is the main tier and if it happens to suck so does everything else. It doesn't help that the OU council is probably the worst one.
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I just battle online with pokemon that I like. That's my rule set.
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>>32120649
That's a good point. Most of my "bros" are from UU anyway.
>>32120654
>It doesn't help that the OU council is probably the worst one.
I don't know if that statement is being very fair to the council, regardless of how I feel about them personally. I just really think they hit the nail on the head by letting players with a ranking of +1700 points make the decisions democratically.
>>32120676
Also, this.
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>>32120676
>252+ Atk Ampharos Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Multiscale Lugia: 69-82 (16.5 - 19.7%) -- possible 6HKO
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>>32120698
>Ampharos
>Physical
Your point still stands though, he has no real chance of killing the Great Wall.
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>>32120703
The filename of the image literally says: "ampharos used thunderpunch"
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>>32120698
>252+ Atk
>not tail glow boosted 252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Ampharos using gen 2 special thunderpunch
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>>32120703
Mega does, mold breaker. Although obviously the picture is not mega, it may be the age old strategy of keeping static because scum
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>>32120711
>tail glow
>choice specs
>mega
>gen 2
inb4 "merely pretending"
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>not playing by smogon rules
boy I sure love fighting megamence, mega gengar and aegislash every single game
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>>32120128
Agreed but holy fuck was it trying to be cringe? Because that was awful
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Isn't it ironic that Smogon is named after a NFE, which they love to pretend don't exist unless they have viability? Or that their coat of arms features the mascots of the generation with the lowest average viability?
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>>32120734
Exactly.
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>>32120777
Probably because NFEs aren't viable in higher tiers? Smogon users don't pretend NFEs don't exist, they just don't use them in OU except for shit like chansey and i guess sometimes doublade.

What a shithole argument. Do OU players pretend that unown doesn't exist? no, they just don't use shit pokemon. What the fuck were you thinking writing that?

if you think they don't use nfes check the lower tiers where you'll see rhydon, gligar, pawniard and clefairy
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>>32120128
>educated votes
This transman is a fraud
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>>32120828
>This transman is a fraud
Looks like someone couldn't make it to 1700 with Fury Cutter Venusaur.
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>>32120402
was this the absolute worst BW animation?
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>>32120816
>if you think they don't use nfes check the lower tiers where you'll see rhydon, gligar, pawniard and clefairy
Not to mention Little Cup exists.
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>>32120128
Is this a falseflag? I can't imagine someone made this, looked at their creation and did NOT see they just created a snarky strawman comic.
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>>32120840
Did you just assume my tier?
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>>32120863
Did I assume correctly? ;)
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>>32120128
I agree but cringe, really strange sensation.
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>>32120850
wasn't there a middle cup too?
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>>32120857
To be fair most anti-smogonfags do act like the dude on the left.
Search on the archive for any thread discussing a recent ban or something and you will see tons of people going "OH WHO DO THESE GUYS THINK THEY ARE??? I CAN STILL USE THIS MON ON MY CART #NOTMYFORMAT :^)" Not to mention the incredibly insecure VGCtards repeating "muh official format".
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>>32120128
Every time this is brought up it's wrong.
>That doesn't count
>You want (insert) in the teir?
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>>32120095
They do single battles, cart is primed for doubles. I can't say their sim is bad though, and the only ban I disagree with is Baton Pass.

Otherwise it's ok practice for actual cart battles, minus any experience vs baton pass users/shadow tag users.
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>>32120163
>>32120216
>>32120227
>>32120263
>>32120350
>>32120774
>>32120828
>Getting THIS triggered over a hair cut
>disagreeing with a point but not being able to formulate an actual argument
>spouting buzzwords and using the same m-muh logical fallacies that you so desperately accuse your perceived opponents of
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>>32121563
>tumblr filename

Of course.
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>>32121592
>proving my point
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>>32121508
what? why is it wrong? I don't understand what your argument is
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>>32120299
>I really didn't think it would be that big of a deal. I thought the comic did a good job of portraying my opinion in a way that that anybody would be able to read.
Not him, and I agree with the comic, but the point of the format is to convey through image and dialogue. If you don't use both, there's no point in making a comic in the first place. Granted, this is also a problem with mainstream comics as people are too fixated on writing these days.
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>>32121628
Not him, but he's likely referring to Smogon refusing to class pokemon that meet the usage needed for OU as OU because they deem it not viable for OU themselves, proving their "usage based" stats to not be entirely accurate.
Not that this is terrible, it kept stuff like Charizard out of BW's OU. It's often a good thing. But it does somewhat shake their claims of usage stats.
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>>32121654
>Smogon refusing to class pokemon that meet the usage needed for OU as OU because they deem it not viable for OU themselves
wait, really? when has this happened? You mentioned charizard in BW, was that a thing back then?
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>>32121654
What are you talking about? If something meets the usage requirements for OU, it is OU by definition. If it's too strong for OU it moves up a tier and if it's not OU by usage but too strong for the tier below it, it sits in Borderline.
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>>32120205
this >>32120213
It's the equivalent of Anything goes.
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>>32121666
Yes actually, apparently it was very commonly used in higher tiers for whatever reason. They refused to class it as higher than NU though because it's a shitty Pokemon.
>>32121669
Did you even play during gen 5? It met the usage requirements, it simply was not good enough though. It got blacklisted for discussion at one point, although people kept using it.
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>>32121669
t. someone who never plays at the start of a gen or before gen 6

A lot of fan-favorites have been used in high tiers a great deal, smogon refuses to up them to higher tiers though because they recognize that shitmons don't deserve a boost just because braindead people are using them in tiers they don't belong in.
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>>32121706
>Yes actually, apparently it was very commonly used in higher tiers for whatever reason. They refused to class it as higher than NU though because it's a shitty Pokemon.
That wasn't what happened. In fact Smogon doesn't mind tiering shitmons higher based on usage, like Electivire in gen4 OU or Metang in gen5 RU.
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>>32121727
Not from what I've seen. Perhaps gen 5 was an anomaly, or maybe just popular starters, but I remember many a discussion on the smogon forums about how many shitters were fucking it up and many charizards on the enemy team.
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>>32121727
That anon is using an exception. If I remember correctly, they basically agreed to ignore zard because it only showed up lower on the ladder and was often part of jumbled together karenmon teams.
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>>32121720
>A lot of fan-favorites have been used in high tiers a great deal, smogon refuses to up them to higher tiers though because they recognize that shitmons don't deserve a boost just because braindead people are using them in tiers they don't belong in.
This is what I'm getting at. That Arrogant mindset
>It's based on Usage
>No stupid people don't count
>Put it in limbo to rot forever
or my favorite" You can't use this Pokemon because of this" vs "You are aloud to use pokemon as long at it doesn't have theses moves/combo/team" When their " complicated /specific rules aren't aloud" got more convoluted.

Long before this I went By Pokemon stadium rules.
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I played on Showdown during Gen 6 and now on Battle Spot for Gen 7. I have no problem with them but I prefer the doubles format nowadays
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>>32122333
There are some that are fair (who wants to face fucking Funbro or Mega Salamence all the time) but I dislike the ban on some moves and abilities, particularly baton pass and the recently unbanned swagger. Sometimes I genuinely question why they ban the ability rather than the Pokemon themselves, as the ability is the only thing that makes the Pokemon usable and is often the whole basis of the Pokemon. E.g. Wobbuffet.
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>>32120425

>"Accept that other people play differently"
>It's a pro hacking argument

Never ever...
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>>32120447

The top rated player in the recent international challenge was literally named "SmogonVGC"
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>>32122397
b-but then I won't be able to use telepathy wob!
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>>32122397

The baton pass ban is still the one thing they've done that will never set well with me....being "forced to run something with taunt" is no different than being forced to run "insert meta defining shit here" every other gen.
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>>32121654
>>32121706
>>32121763
proofs pls
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>>32124554
To be fair if you saw the Baton Pass team that got it banned in action you'd agree with the ban.
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>>32122333
>"You can't use this Pokemon because of this"
explain, give an example

>"You are aloud to use pokemon as long at it doesn't have theses moves/combo/team"
explain, give an example
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>>32124554
are you implying that taunt can beat BP teams
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>>32120520
I'm active on smogons forums (I am JTD783) and I agree with this. I love in-game, have played online matches, battle spot, and vgc, and enjoy playing on showdown. Showdown is fun for me since I can try out new sets/teams very easily, and it's easier to feel part of a community. This sense of community is why I decided to make a smogon account; I wanted to have more meaningful interactions with fellow players. For fucks sake guys just do whatever is fun for you and quit bitching.
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>>32120640
True enough. Anythign Goes and the Other Metas category exist, so people can literally do whatever the fuck they want. No point in whining.
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>>32121720
So why the fuck Electivire belongs in DP OU or Metagross in BW OU?
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>>32125364
>replying to an 8 hour old post and expecting them to be in the thread still
Just call him a retard and be done with it if you can't get him to reply.
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>>32125918
Not him but what's wrong with Metagross being BW OU? It was good enough in OU and was certainly too powerful for the UU of the time. At most you could bump it to BL.
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>>32125364
He's misinformed, Charizard was only used enough to be UU (and got sets to help it in UU with no NU format sets) but was listed as NU under the tier it had.
What he was probably referring to was the ridiculous amount low ladder charizards infesting the ubers bracket. They even had a guy write an article about helping new ubers players and his first advice was 2 paragraphs of "STOP USING CHARIZARD." Pretty funny stuff actually.
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>>32125378

I know it was for the better in the long run but seeing that team in action was far more interesting than watching a regenerator team pp stall someone for 2 hours.

I love how they want the gameplay to be "as close to the cartridge experience as possible" but they gloss over time limits and item clause to allow shit like that to be viable.
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>>32127547
Scolipass is even more braindead than stall
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>>32127547
>as close to the cartridge experience as possible
What? It's nothing like the carts. People play it because it's not like the carts at all.

Also I thought the set that got it banned was the evopass combo?
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>>32125387
>Blaze Blaziken

>Swift Swim + Drizzle
>Baton pass and speed(?)

The SSDZ combo may not exist anymore, but may have been a factor
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>>32120420
He said "somewhat playable," as in not VGC at all




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