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Welcome to the Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread. Talk about new episodes, old episodes, upcoming episodes, anime Pokégirls, sub releases, discuss, speculate, bitch and moan, etc., etc.

>NOT-SHIT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersSun&MoonSubbed

>Citronic Gear On's music rips:
http://pastebin.com/C2gkFb0g

>Newfag Airing/Viewing Order Guide for XY:
https://pastebin.com/hWRkxP0F

>Z-Move Promo Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps7ViOvyCNE

>Movie 20: Pocket Monsters the Movie: I Choose You! [July 15th]
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp
FINAL TRAILER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdL0kT2c-M
Ending theme promo video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJbjq2PNKkY

Next episode:
>SM34 - A Fire Battle! Garagara Shows Up!! [July 20th]
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_sunmoon/episodes/

Upcoming episodes:
>SM35 - A Curry-zy Beautiful Battle! The Dance of Rarantes!! [July 27th]
>SM36 - Lychee's Grand Trial! The Hardest Pokémon Match Ever!! [August 3rd]

Shit people will ask:
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
It's been pretty dull and uneventful, with the occasional good episode. Watch XY instead if you haven't.

>Muh subs when?
[PM] is subbing XY&Z and SM. Their releases can happen any time of the week.

Old thread:
>>33041976
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SM33 RAW:
https://nyaa.si/view/936250

SM25 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_Sun_&_Moon_025_The_Fight_Over_the_Crystal!_The_Rocket_Gang_VS_The_Skull_Gang!![H264_720P][1826A6FC].mkv.torrent

ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL RAW:
https://nyaa.si/view/913229

M19 RAW:
https://nyaa.si/view/882608

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS SUN & MOON 34 - A FIRE BATTLE! GARAGARA SHOWS UP!! (JULY 20TH)
>Satoshi and the others have decided to participate in a festival at Akala Island. However, the crown used for the festival ended up getting stolen by a Garagara! Kaki challenges the Garagara to a battle in order to retrieve the crown, but...

>Summary:
>Satoshi and the others are participating in a festival at Akala Island, where the main event is to make Pokémon wear the "Wela Crown". The "Wela Crown" is said to make you stronger when you wear it. This precious crown ended up getting taken by a Garagara that suddenly appears! What is the plan Kaki comes up with to retrieve the crown...? Kaki and Bakugames' fully powered Z-Move explodes with power!!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Daisuke Namikawa: Rotom
>Kei Shindo: Lilie
>Kaito Ishikawa: Kaki
>Reina Ueda: Mao
>Hitomi Kikuchi: Suiren
>Fumiko Takekuma: Māmane
>Keiichi Nakagawa: Professor Kukui
>Rikako Aikawa: Ashimari
>Chika Fujimura: Amamaiko
>Chinami Nishimura: Nyabby
>Kenta Miyake: Bakugames
>Miyuki Sawashiro: Lychee
>Risa Shimizu: Joy
>Yuji Ueda: Hiker B
>Toru Sakurai: Hiker A
>Ryota Iwasaki: Man A
>Haruka Jinya: Man B
>Masafumi Kobatake: Trainer C
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration
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UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 93 (July 23rd)

THE POCKET MONSTERS ANIME PREMIUM 10 EPISODE 1 (July 23rd)
>Pokémon! I Choose You!

SM35 - A Curry-zy Beautiful Battle! The Dance of Rarantes!! (July 27th)
>As part of an extracurricular lesson, Satoshi and his friends are made to gather the ingredients for "Alola Curry", a traditional Akalan dish. They encounter all kinds of difficulties, but still somehow manage to gather the ingredients. And then a Rarantes shows up and challenges Satoshi to a battle.

SM36 - Lychee's Grand Trial! The Hardest Pokémon Match Ever!! (August 3rd)
>Satoshi has finally become able to challenge the Grand Trial of Lychee, Island Queen of Akala Island. The Grand Trial against Lychee is a double battle. Satoshi decides to take her on with Mokuroh and Iwanko. Lychee uses Rock type Pokémon, and just toys around with him using tricky tactics and Lugarugan's overwhelming speed and power.

ALOLA! / POSE:
http://uploadboy.com/zoi4hmpo9cvi/1152/rar

MEZASE POKEMON MASTER -20TH ANNIVERSARY-:
http://www28.zippyshare.com/v/SEkKDHSJ/file.html

THE ORACIÓN THEME: LET'S WALK TOGETHER:
https://mega.nz/#!zE9QjSiQ!oE0qskBNB3YhDVs2K2LRFT8sqNLp28MeM0uMbQ9JwVk

MOVIE 20 TIE-IN MANGA:
http://imgur.com/a/NApGd

MOVIE 20 MANGA ADAPTATION:
Chapter 1: https://bato.to/reader#58b0095e6b539cc0
Chapter 2: https://bato.to/reader#917bbaa353806178
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LEAVE DA SATOSHI TO ME!
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>>33048310
Ririe will marry Satoshi!
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/padt/, admit it. SM Ash is much more skilled Ash than the XY Ash.

Rekts Totem Gumshoos: Oneshots Support Yangoos and Gumshoos, rekts Totem Gumshoos with a Quick Attack.

Rekts Hala 2-0

Is about to rekt Lurantis

But what about XY Satoshi you may ask?

hmm, struggles against srcub Bunnelby. Pikachu gets rekt by a SURSKIT lmao. Fletchling gets rekt by a VIVILLON LMAO.

Shame on him

Stay in denial if you want.
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>>33048355
I don't care about SM being skilled, there's no league or any important event to show these skills anyways. Also his team is composed by cutemons, so you can't expect anything interesting.
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>>33048355
>hmm, struggles against srcub Bunnelby. Pikachu gets rekt by a SURSKIT lmao. Fletchling gets rekt by a VIVILLON LMAO.

It's not because it's a shitmon in game that it have to be in the anime, especially used with strategy.
Surskit for example was used with a really good strategy, it's not hard to understand how it was able to give difficulty to Pikachu with such unexpected tactics.
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>>33048398
Lmao stay in denial.
>>33048402
Surskit strategy? Ice Field? It's one of the most generic shitty strategies in the PokeAni.
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>>33048410
You don't expect a fuckin Surskit to do that, right?
Maybe generic, but it's an effective tactic again a majority.
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>>33048420
Still a shitty strategy what could be easily countered. Stay in denial. XY Satoshi is a fucking retard
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>>33048410
I'm not in denial, like i said, i just don't care if he is more "skilled" now.
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>>33048426
>Denying denialfag

Literally /padt/ is only about XY pandering.
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>>33048355
That's true. XY's Ash was only a glorified version of Bw's Ash.
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>>33048443
Even if Ash got better skills, or even a full evolved team at some point, that will mean nothing without league.
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>>33048453
XY Ash is an edgy retard who only wishes about becoming STRONG. HMMMM CHKARA!! Literally goes full Drama Queen because of some loss against a Trainer with a Pokemon who has a Type Advantage LMAO. Literally no fun whatsoever. Only edgy Powerpandering retard.
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>>33048457
It could happen just like in the game with Alola having a new League with Ash having to defeat all the Kahuna's to enter or something, honestly I wouldn't care if their isn't a league not like the outcome would be any different and him gaining new skill and evolving could help with the Kahunas or Aether and the Ultra Beasts at least with them he has a chance of winning.
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>xy Ash team is great and fully evolved!
>jobs to Alan's b team (charizard is the only a-team pokemon desu) then pikachu has to carry all the shitmons just so greninja can get rekt by charizard without breaking to sweat
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>>33048461
>Literally no fun whatsoever.
There's a perfect balance on XY, some episodes are for fun and comfy and others are for action and battles.
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>>33048467
Meh, you are too conformist.
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>>33048473
It's just an illusion of Comfeyness. XY Ash is all about being edgy and retarded.

Ew fuck off XYfag. Stay in your Amourshipping dirty fantasies.
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>>33048482
How is what I said conformist exactly?
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>>33048473
>There's a perfect balance on XY

Just look at that picture, everybody is smiling everything it's fucking perfect they all love eachother, that's fucking disgusting.
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>>33048494
>I wouldn't care if their isn't a league not like the outcome would be any different
You have low standards, i guess the SM season is perfect for you.
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>SMfags know their series is godawful
>they can only resort to attacking a superior series instead
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>>33048515
Oh well you find stuff like that in XY too.
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>>33048518
Its been 20 years after Tobias, Cameron, and Alain it should be pretty clear how all Leagues will end.
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>>33048536
>when you remember back when /padt/ used to think ash could win the league in kalos then got pissed off if someone said no
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>>33048536
Yes i know, that's doesn't mean that we should suck the anime staff dicks for that, lowering our standard and approving blindly everything they do. A season without league is a mistake.
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>>33048577
Their will probably be a League because theirs one in game and the anime is a advertisement for the game and all thats in it, besides even before it became clear Ash would never win the League was never the be all end all for me it was just the cherry on top of the cake.

>>33048564
I also feel for it with all the hype and the orange shuriken that lead to no where honestly that was completely my fault for falling for it at least I won't fall for it next league.
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>>33048577
>A season without league is a mistake.
And let Ash continue to collect another eight gym badges, stop another evil organization, and lost the league in 2nd, 4th, or 8th place again?
No wonder you can skip any season of the anime and wouldn't miss anything that is important.
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>>33048532
That picture shows nothing but the perfect family worried about their father getting hit, no comedy, no banter nothing to laugh at.
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Admit it, XY is shit
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>>33048645
Or maybe You're just Bitter.
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>>33048645
XY is okay, its looks good and the battles are good, the companions personally don't appeal to me too nice for my taste I prefer my companions to have conflicts because they more interesting to see, I also found the fillers really boring, with the Litleo and Lock picking ones being some of the worst Pokemon has had, and Showcases only really had good animation which wasn't enough to entertain me.
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XY is still the best season and anybody that denies it are still mad about Kalos League finals and Amour.
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>>33048681
Ignore him. This is the faggot that makes every time an XYZ hate thread
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Good morning
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>>33048700
DP is fucking better.
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>>33048487
>Ash
>Edgy

Stop shaming yourself.
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>>33048696
>I prefer my companions to have conflicts because they more interesting to see,
There's no conflicts in SM neither, guess the anime is against violence now, everything is just about friendship and "fun".
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>>33049100
I agree that theirs not really much conflict though I do enjoy seeing Kiawe chewing out Ash for doing something wrong pretty much the only thing I liked about Rotom's episode.
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Is Serena still Ash only?
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>>33049240
What do you think?
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>>33049240
No, but Ash is only ash.
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>>33049288
Be funny if the Japanese animators did that based off the english name, wonder what the chances of that being true is.
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>>33049261
She isn't
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>>33049296
Somewhere between zero and negative zero.
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Movie 20 subs when
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>>33049296
Kek maybe.
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>>33049458
That's literally where the name came from. Same with "Shigeru" to "Gary".
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>>33049457
good one
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Makoto is CUTE!
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>>33049575
>yfw hair down Makoto looks like hatless short hair Serena
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>>33049583
That was my first thought too. From the thumbnail I thought the upper right picture was Serena dressed as Makoto.
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>>33048355
>rekts
>LMAO
Is this the kind of people that defend SM?
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>>33048532
Dude! XY invented Memefaces!
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>>33049583
Yeah, but Serena has a pretty face.
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>>33049633
The meme faces are in every season in a moderated way, SM is abusing of them though.
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>>33049636
All Serenas and all Makotos are cute.
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>>33049648
I don't understand how anyone can find Makoto cute.
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>>33049648
Not as pretty as May.
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Even after 3 years, Korni's still the cutest.
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>>33049679
Because we're in love.
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>>33049752
You are blind.
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>>33049785
Blinded by love.
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Hi anons! I haven't watched the anime since Diamond and Pearl. What are the best episodes focused on James and/or Meowth?
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>>33049788
Blinded by bad taste...
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Since there are so many DPanons here, remember this cute?
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>>33049794
The Ingenuity Festival episode from late XY&Z was a great James episode.
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>>33049794
Team Rocket is shit, so who fucking cares?
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Is there a summary for the new movie out yet?
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>>33049794
Heatbursts at the Ingenuity Festival for James
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>>33049794
The Worst Possible Luck? Eureka VS Nyarth!! for Meowth
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XY ruined the anime franchise. You can't refute this. (Although BW catalyzed the collapse)
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>>33049819
http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/
Dogasu's summary is better than that mess on pokebeach.
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>>33049845
>ruined
You mean saved
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>>33049845
>>33049849
It all a manor of taste and whether people like or dislike what XY brought to the table if it ruined or saved the franchise. I personally felt it was an upgrade to how the end of BW and had nicer animation but thats really it I don't think it ruined or saved it.
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>>33049849
Nope. They focused to much on fan-service rather than telling a good story. No character development, just a forced "love" story and an overpowered rival that doesn't appear until halfway in. The only way to save the franchise is to go back to the character and Pokemon development of DP, with the discontinuation of Team Rocket as a whole. However, the animation was one of the highlights of XY, we must go back to there compared to what SM is.
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>>33049794
If you only care about James, SM012 (The Extracurricular Lesson is on Hidoide!?) is the only one worth watching from Sun & Moon so far.
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>>33049868
It really did. There were SO many reports from people saying they returned to the anime after quitting BW in disgust over one of its more awful episodes (typically the Roxie battle in Japan and the league in the west)
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>>33049845
And Sun and Moon finished to kill it with its pacing issues, overflanderization of its main character (Ash is a trainer, not "an average to mediocre 10 years old kid" like Nobita and other aesop-heavy kodomomuke anime main characters), lack of Team Rocket, huge cast, sudden art shift (and don't blame ToonBoom, because there still are scenes being hand-drawn and digitally colored).

It's actually a miracle the Movie 20 had a succesful opening weekend.
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>>33049872
>and an overpowered rival that doesn't appear until halfway in.

>first ME special is after XY21
your opinion is retarded and thus invalid
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>>33049878
ToonBoom was used for some scenes in the PokéTV segment in XY&Z, and nobody saw anything wrong with those. SM's visual style has absolutely nothing to do with ToonBoom.
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>>33049878
Movie 20 has nothing to do with SM.
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How to make a perfect series:
>animation of XY
>character development of DP
>rival of DP
>varied team with little weaknesses
>no special OP mon like meme frog (unless it actually makes sense like infernape)
>no Team Rocket
>non pushover evil team
>minimal filler
>expanding to multiple region pokemon instead of being restricted to region-specific Pokemon
>likeable followers
>not shit-tier
>meaningful battles
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>>33049877
Well yes but the Pokemon anime has millions of watchers world wide I doubt it made that much of an impact, in fact i think how the League ended and Serena leaving might not just have caused those new fans to leave but even some old ones as well, not that XY is entirely at fault I do believe S&M new style also moved some away while at the same time attracting new crowds. All these people who say Pokemon is dying are really the minority considering the millions of viewers I doubt many of them are as die hard fans and care as much, I for one don't care much how it is as long as it entertains me.
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>>33049895
>no Team Rocket
Shit taste pls go.
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>>33049882
But he isn't a rival at that point. Ash knows nothing about him.
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>>33049895
Perfect is impossible because it requires all people think it is perfect while that series might be perfect for you because Pokemon has such a large viewer base their is a 100% chance other don't agree with it.
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dawn does look way cuter as makoto than makoto does as herself
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>>33049897
>world wide
You know perfectly well none of the people involved with the anime really give a shit how it does outside Japan.
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>>33049872
>They focused to much on fan-service rather than telling a good story. No character development, just a forced "love" story and an overpowered rival that doesn't appear until halfway in.

But compared to SM, at least it had something. SM is just a series that moves by inertia without an actual focus or plot, it lacks of actual motivation for MC (yeah, he wants to beat Top Kek, but is he doing something for it besides behaving like a generic 10 year old kid from an average kodomomuke animu instead of a Pokémon trainer), main girl issues are absolutely ridiculous (it's supposed she can't touch Pokemon because of some UB related trauma, but the way Tomiyasu and Matsui are handling that makes it seem she is that way because she has severe autism or asperger), there are less battles, and even those battles were meh at its best. It leven lacks a proper rival.

>>33049872
>The only way to save the franchise is to go back to the character and Pokemon development of DP, with the discontinuation of Team Rocket as a whole.
Not really. If you mean by MC's progression and actual Main boy and main girl chemistry (friendly or romantical), then yeah, but the actual anime context makes it impossible.
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>>33049847
Thanks
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>>33049897
DP largely ended the same way, yet people still stayed on board for BW until they realized how bad BW was. It's SM that killed the interest.
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>>33049908
Mate, I used suggestions that almost everyone has said. Almost everything I listed is agreed on by consensus. Not my view. But, if almost everyone agrees than that perfect enough for me.>>33049918
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>>33049916
Well yes but they still gives them more money and still watch it, legally, so they count because if we ignored everyone not in Japan the viewers and profits would astronomically decrease.
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>>33049918
And, I'm not trying to say to implement this into SM. I'm just suggesting for future reference. SM is already unchangeable.
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>>33049930
"No Team Rocket" is only the consensus among retarded dubfags because the dub rewrites the fuck out of them and makes them horrendously annoying.
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>>33049915
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>>33049945
Delicious tears.
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>>33049929
Killed is a strong word considering millions of people still watch it in just Japan every week.
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>>33049940
...it really doesn't, dude. The Pokemon anime is treated as such an irrelevant part of the franchise in the west it hurts. At this point the reason they don't just drop the dub is more likely because they don't want media headlines saying "Nintendo cancels Pokemon" than anything.
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>>33049895
This is what we need ,
Ash crashing Alain and his broken Mega charizard X in a tournament far bigger then Kalos league.
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>>33049960
This. Movie 20 localization is still not confirmed yet.
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>>33049895
Forgot to say

>if they put shipping between MC and main girl, first the series' director must focus on actual chemistry instead of romantic drama or teasing (if doesn't matter if writers abuse of cliché and give the main girl some tsundere traits only to make the building of an actual chemistry a lot easier). And leave it platonic in the end because... it's Pokémon.
>Game Freak shall make its intentions regarding the actual generation visible for OLM developers in order to conceptualize the series in the best way possible. Thus, staff won't make the same mistake the did with Battle Frontier (season made because Diamond And Pearl gen took a lot of time into being developed) and XY&Z (season handled very bad because Game Freak told OLM Gen VII was going to come in less than a year).
>League must last at least one cour (13 episodes instead of the 7 episodes the pokemon league lasts regularly).
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>>33049952
You can watch things without having all that much interest in it. It's why these threads are so dead compared to how they were during XY, people just kinda apathetically watch the episode.
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>>33049960
I think its more the west still give them money and they like money they just don't care enough to put effort in because the west gives them money when they do the minim effort required.
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>>33049971
The dub just treats the movies as extra long TV episodes anyway. You don't make money off the west when the west just tosses your movie on TV and doesn't even bother advertise it.
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>>33049973
You mean like how most people normally do to most things because most people aren't die hard fans of stuff.
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>>33049995
Explain it away all you want, but the fact is still that lots of people were actively invested in XY and discussed it a lot, while SM is completely incapable of catching people's interest in the same way.

Apathetic people that just watch it because it's there aren't the people buying merch either.
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Step to fix S/M Series

> Confirm a Real League

> Create actual competition in the series

> Give Ash a Keystone

> Bring back Ash-Greninja

>Introduce multiple rivals for Ash to beat

> Brought back previous character for cameo

> Make Ash quirky

> Introduce a real heroin with interesting
personality and chemistry with Ash.

> Let Ash win a real freaking league.

> Bring back Alain and his Mega charizard back so Ash could crash him in pokemon battle.
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>>33050010
I also like to point out that the target audience Pokemon is aiming for is the children because the children are more likely to buy the merchandise and the games, well their parents buy them for the children but same thing, but the kids are too young to actually go on sites like here, Serebii, and Twitter meaning that because S&M target audience is children and children aren't meant to be on these sites then of course we would have less active people discussing things.
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>>33049952
>>33049995

Sun/Moon did see a ratings bump in the beginning in Japan, but by now even there it's already often hitting the same 3.5% average that XY/Z often hit.

So, yeah, a lot of people gave it attention thanks to the new style, but it seems unable to retain viewers. And this is still near the beginning of the show. The trend with these things it to just go lower and lower.
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>>33050064
Yes, anon, I'm sure SM is really super popular and it just happens to be popular among the people that don't go talk about it in places where you can see it.
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>>33050065
Probably because its the firsts seireson Netflix and the ratings don't track Netflix

>>33050075
Oh I sorry of course all the Plush toys, backpacks, the electronic gadgets that take a small function of the game and sell them at a high price, the bayblade like things,and all the other stuff is exactly what a grown up person would delightful buy.
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>>33050059
> Bring back Ash-Greninja
ow the edge. be careful to not cut your fedora in half anon.
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>>33050064
You're making no sense. Why would we "of course" have less active people discussing things? Pokemon has always been aiming at children, yet mysteriously enough it's only SM that people are seemingly not having much of an interest in discussing. There's no logic here.
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>>33050065
They're still steady compared to XY though. Jap kids seem to enjoy SM and are in the honeymoon phase of the series (The last Bandai survey about favourite anime characters listed Pokémon as the 4th favourite franchise). Consider to fuck off too, because ratings don't matter.

http://www.bandai.co.jp/kodomo/pdf/question236.pdf
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>>33050086
XY was on Hulu.
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Would you rather see Ash or this useless girl with the Grassium Z?
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>>33050064
If The anime really cared about children and newer fans then they would have finish Ash's story and replace him long time ago.
But , They keep Ash in order to make older audience watch the show for him.

Furthermore , Pokemon is based on a game!
Pokemon not just sales pushie to 3 year little babies.
It has much wider range of fans compare to Digimon , Yugioh and Precure.
Yet, none of them try shit like Pokemon.
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>>33048410
>>33048443
>get told
>"d-denial!"
lmao
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>>33048764
G' day serena chan
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>>33050104
That's not a choice, as nigress doesn't even have a Z-Ring yet?
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>>33050059
>Ash-Greninja
He's gay and inferior to Mr. "I can beat Z-Moves" Zard.
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>>33050059
Stop being a summerfag.
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>>33050091
Because the shipping and the cool Ash and Ash finally winning a league appealed to older fans so they come here, but S&M and its merchandise is clearly aimed at children.

>>33050103
Still means the ratings aren't accurate, also those ratings only apply for the Kanto part of Japan

>>33050104
Ash but I rather she actually does something.

>>33050106
Because Ash is much of a mascot of the anime as Piakchu at this point, and Pokemon is a business so they only care about Merchandise and games sales so if your not buying then they don't care, and as previously stated most merchandise is aimed at children and the games have been trying to appeal to kids more lately with the tutorials and easy difficulty.
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>>33050135
That why he need to come back and kick the crap out of "I can beat Z-Moves" Zard.
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>>33050135
Too bad it's non Canon
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>>33050146
Everyone knows the ratings don't mean shit, newfag. People are talking about the very real visible drop in interest everywhere. Closing your ears and saying "well kids probably still like it they just don't talk about it online" is retarded, kids liked XY too.
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>>33049895
>no Team Rocket

Aaand it's shit.

They're the only good thing to come out from ANy of the seasons.
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>>33050162
I'm no the one who brought up ratings I'm just answering him, and do you think all hose memes and the shipping that filled VP during XY was from children.
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>>33050162
Not XY&Z though. Kids started to lose interest after Clemont's match and XY&Z's slightly serious tone allienated them.
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>>33050059
>Let Ash win a real freaking league
No.
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>>33050185
(you)
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>>33050146
Ash is not mascot of the franchise , Pikachu is!
Children and newer fans should not have any attachment for him while older fans want Ash's story to end.

Pokemon only sell Pushies for children.
However, It Game franchise that promote far many different merchandise then any other anime including TCG , Clothes , figurine, foods, charger and even vibrators.
Even Digimon and Yugioh does not follow pokemon shit despite being merchandise driven anime with lower range of fans then Pokemon.
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>>33050179
Only shitposters talk about ratings as if they mean anything, stop being so new.
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>>33050203
Fuck off, Nymphia.
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>>33050146
Also, Children has no problem Ash winning the league and nether merchandise sales drop because of this.
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>>33050231
Yes but the fans who have been waiting 20 years for Ash to win would also e attracted as well as the children its not a mutually exclusive thing wanting to see Ash win, its just the prospect of Ash winning means older fans will come back to see their wishes be fulfilled.
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>>33050203
>Pokemon only sell Pushies for children.
Despite being Nymphia who writes this, (s)he has a point. Pokemon anime merch, aside from nostalgia pandering merch in the form of GEM and Nendoroid figures, is targeted towards the same audience of series like Anpanman, Doraemon and Ninja Boy Rantaro.
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>>33050256
I'm not Nymphia who the hell are they, yes I;m a newfag to 4chan but I have been with the Pokemon franchise since I was kid, also I'm a he just for the record.
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>>33050254
>its just the prospect of Ash winning means older fans will come back to see their wishes be fulfilled.
Which is why they always let him lose. Pokemon staffs are genius.
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>>33050277
Lurk two years before posting.
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>>33050254
Even Kids who watches a completely new series wants to see the Protagonist wins and become champion.
Its not something that only older audience want to see.

Instate , Ash existence make it hard for newer fans to catch up since they didn't watch the series for 20 year.,
Its much easier and better for them to start a fresh new series with completely new protagonist.
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>>33050285
No why would I do that for 4chaner, its far more interesting to comment here just lurking is boring and defeats the point of me coming here to discuss about Pokemon.
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>>33050310
Fuck off.
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>>33050327
No
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>>33050306
Yeah but then everyone who was watching stops because who cares anymore if it's not the same guy you've been watching for the past 20 years?
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>>33050337
Because its confuse newer fans who didn't watch previous series.

Also, There are still older fans that still watches the series.
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>>33050358
Fuck off already.
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>>33050358
>older fans
You mean menchild/manchildren?
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>>33050401
You are one of them
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>>33050429
pretty sure most people on here and other Pokemon forums are them.
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>>33050429
So are you.
Now tell me, if you're an actual fan, have you caught 'em all?
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>>33050010
Except the reason the threads were getting so many replies back then was because every other post was I want to suck Serena's feet or some other asinine thing of the sort
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>>33050485
Keep reaching.
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>>33050485
By the way, I was going to say l.ick serena's feet but it's been shitposted so much that it was marked as spam, if anyone wants to argue that the threads didn't consists of that for the most part.
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>>33050224
She was perfect for Ash
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>>33048700
>Ninjas in France
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>>33050472

Yes I am , I have no problem saying out loud.
The fact that you and me being here prove us being older fans
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>>33050508
Answer the question.
Have you caught them all?
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>>33050498
Not at all , There were 3 other girl much more perfect for Ash.
Serena was blend , boring and had 0 chemistry with Ash.
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>>33050522
:^)
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>>33050522
Fuck off ESLfag.
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Apparently there were more cameos in the movie than previously reported.
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>>33050549
>yfw Mary is in it
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>>33049845
Nah,XY got people excited to watch the anime again. There's a reason so many people from other boards have the anime the time of day during the league finals. No one outside of /padt/ is going to care when ash isn in the alpha league.
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>>33050502
>Le course
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>>33050522
Again... friendly chemistry =/= romantic chemistry. It can evolve to a romantic one (as seen in western cartoons) , but never be the same
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>>33050567
Good.
And that was the very end of the series. Not the first 30 epsiodes.
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>>33050671
Anime =/= western cartoons
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>>33050717
That was the shit I was trying to say, you fucking deadbeat moronic asshole.
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>>33050671
Except Serena does not have any chemistry at all.
Even Lillie can completely replace Serena.

Ash has romantic chemistry with Misty and even got jealous when she shown interest toward other man.
Ash and Dawn also had near romantic chemistry as well.
Oh , Do I forgot mention Bakugun last time where Dan and Runo became a couple ?
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>>33050671
He's probably a virgin
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>>33050736
Go back.
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>>33050736
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They are so cute together. Best couple.
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>>33050736
>Ash has romantic chemistry with Misty
Fighting and being at each others' throats 9 out of 10 isn't romantic chemistry unless one of the parts admit it. Besides, Misty was a modern tsundere (not the classic type, but the cancerous one that started with KOR's Madoka and Ranma 1/2's Akane), therefore, it was cliche and cringe as fuck, and that's the cheapest way to develop a romantic chemistry because it starts from the extreme negative situation.

>Ash and Dawn also had near romantic chemistry as well.
Wew lad... it was more like Ichigo and "the shinigami with the body of a 9 year old boy" chemistry... "irreplaceable nakama". Besides, she was into edgy things (admiring and getting curious towards "crawling in my skin characters" Paul, Gary and being all lovey-dovey towards Zoey and Cynthia).
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>>33050736
Autism
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>>33050950
Wash your neck and wait!! They have zero chemistry... not even a friendly one. She even barely acknowledges him as a classmate
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>33050962
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>>33050951
I wouldn't exactly call what Ash x Serena had as romantic chemistry. She had a crush on him but their dynamic was based around support.
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>33050962
Do you even watch the anime, 自閉症児?
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That time again, huh?
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post serenas
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>>33051032
Yes, I watch it and can tell perfectly which girl fits the most with a hotblooded and driven by adventure boy like Ash, 自閉症の子供. I even watched DP and OS.

Ash actually doesn't need a girl, but when time comes, he must need a girl who supports him in everything he wants to do. Sadly for you, Misty and Dawn won't budge to do this because of clashing tempers. It would work only if they are able to accept his faults as well as he accept their worst traits, but it was seen on screen that Misty and Dawn won't accept Ash as a potential couple the way he actually is. Ash must be lucky enough that Serena was able to accept him the way he is.
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>>33051082
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>>33051082
Not this shit again pls
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>>33051084

>>33050961
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>>33051082
you will only have this
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is Adamant here? any sub updates? what are you working on right now?
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>>33051084
>子供
Stop using Google Translate, sperg.
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>>33051082
*saves SM*
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>>33051135
Sayonara anon :(
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>>33051135
l-lewd
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>>33051086
He's a falseflagging shitposter, anon. He pops in randomly every now and then, does the same "post serenas" thing, then disappears again for a week.

There's a reason that he himself virtually never posts any Serena images.
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>>33051157
What was she thinking here
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>>33051189
That you should save the Amour posting for the twice-monthly Amour threads.
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>>33051135
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>>33050951
Ohh , Its like saying Ranma and Akane didn't had romantic comedy because they fought all the time.
Or Inu yasha and kagome does not have chemistry because they also fought all the time that ends with " Sit Boy" command.
Or basically every romantic couple that fought all the time didn't had any chemistry.
Listen pal, You had to be really close to a person to constantly argue 24/7. That why arguing often seen as a sign of close friendship

Ash and Dawn still had far better chemistry then Serena. Even Lyra notice their romance chemistry
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>>33051166
she was thinking the same as him
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>>33051189
ash's confession and his cock
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>>33050962
I said that Lillie can completely replace Serena.
That's proves how replaceable Serena is.
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>>33051231
meant to >>33051189
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>>33051227
>me not like chicken ramen from XXX because it has no chicken
>so beef ramen from YYY is no ramen because no chicken too?
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>>33051237
It just proves how replaceable all companions are, which honestly everyone should have already figured out when Dawn and Brock left.
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>>33050736
>>33051237
>>33051267
You don't want to end up like Chicken-chan, do you?
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>>33051084
Misty , Dawn and May deal with real Ash.
In fact, Ash was loser when he traveled with Misty but she still liked him despite seeing all his flaw.
Unlike Serena who only the heroic Ash who barely has a temper.
She never saw the pathetic , bratty and short-temper Ash that Misty and May endured.
Ash was pity much the " Popular Guy" in Kalos and Serena was one of his fangirl.
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>>33051285
Cute, but unfortunately for you even if I shut up the truth is still truth
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>hating fictional characters
Just pathetic
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>>33051082
It really feels like I'm posting in an XY thread again!
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>>33051227
But it's cliche'd as fuck, and not healthy btw. It's not hard to develop romantic chemistry between MC and a more quiet and moe girl. And I'm not going to pt Naruto and Bleach as examples because it triggers the fandom very hard. But Robin Hood no Daibouken, Clanaad and the Sakura route from Fate/Stay Night are the best examples of romantic chemistry being developed without recurring to overabused tropes like the girl (or boy) being tsundere, both of them fighting and bickering 9 out of 10 times.

>Or basically every romantic couple that fought all the time didn't had any chemistry.
>Listen pal, You had to be really close to a person to constantly argue 24/7. That why arguing often seen as a sign of close friendship
And remember those manga that used those cliché and tropes ended up allienating andkilling their fanbase. Some of the worst offenders were Nisekoi and TWGOK, both with cliched treatments of the main couple. Even InuYasha doesn't go away unharmed from allienation and final shitstorms because of that. I still remember Kikyofags threw a huge tantrum after Takahashi decided to kill her in favour of Kagome.And I'm talking about the girl InuYasha loved the most before she was obliterated into nothingness by the author. Kagome, by, comparison, looks like the replacement and consolation prize for him.
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>>33051267
Except Brock , Misty and May.
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>>33051328
>>>/a/
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>>33051333
Really I didn't know they were still in the show must have missed them with the 5 new companions introduced in S&M to replace XY's
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>>33051328
Are you European?
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>>33051337
And you must fuck off to your Youtube containment channel (Pearlshipping TV)
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>le "post serenas" guy
>two idiots arguing incomprehensibly about "romantic chemistry" in overglorified toy/vidya commercials aimed at Chinese kids
Extreme autism.
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>>33051343
You should pay more attention then.
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>>33051427
At least it's not Scott, or even worse, Bui.
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>>33049818
Describe a non-shit character, for the sake of discussion anon
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>>33051450
The latter doesn't really infect this specific thread, though.
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>>33051328
Its still much better then shoving a boring and blend character with zero chemistry on the protagonist when the series has 3 better girl.
Ranma and Akane are still one of the best couple alongside Inuyasha and kagome.
Ichigo and Orihime work out since they had opposite personality that create its own fun chemistry.
Ichigo was this serious, Bratty and antisocial badboy while Orihime was a dizzy , sweet and airheaded busty girl.
Furthermore , Many fans prefer Rin over Sakura for Shiro in fate series.

Inuyasha fan just had problem with Kikioy dying but they still prefer Kagome over her.
Also, Nisekoi did what Pokemon trying to do with Amourshipping.
They shoved an annoying Tsundere on Raku ignoring 4 other better girl.
Pokemon trying to shove a blend character on Ash while ignoring 3 better girl then her.
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>>33051508
We had worse shit here.

'Member when one faggot decided to post entire fapfic?
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>>33051115
Everyone's favorite episode, Farewell Mamane.
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>>33051343
None of them are barely as good as Brock.
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>ESLspergs arguing with shitposters about text walls nobody is actually reading
wew
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>>33051528
How do you feel about mamame?
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>>33051295
>In fact, Ash was loser when he traveled with Misty but she still liked him despite seeing all his flaw.
Really...?? Because I watched the nip version and Kasumi (don't confuse with Misty, because Misty was the bastardization 4kids made rewriting her character) was more onto Orange Islands' dicks. Misty never accepted Ash's flaws. In fact, she always was trying to find a moment to rub them all over his face and expecting him to be different.

May, by the other side, barely acknowledged Ash as a travelling companion. She was more onto contests and was head over heels smitten towards Grass head Drew. Shit, she even followed him to Johto.
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>>33051545
Less shit than Nariya
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>>33051547
Fuck off and learn English.
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>>33051528
I would have been happy if he really left.
At least, The episode would not been as pointless and predictable as it was.
Plus , he squeaky voice really annoy me.
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>>33051549
>Eievuimplying
Nariya did nothing wronGlacia.
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>>33051547
Misty wanted Ash to better himself and stop being trash that got all his badges out of pity
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>>33051549
What about Lillie?
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>>33051560
fuck off
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>>33051295
She liked ash when she first met him as a little kid. His bratty loser days were just a phase,he can still act like that at times but it's not his actual personality. Also Serena would like ash despite those flaws as seen by the mirror world episode
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So what does everyone think the chances are that Totem Salazzle won't appear in Thursdays episode?
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>>33051582
Go away and stop replying.
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>>33051582
Only a different Serena would, if you really want to use the mirror world epsiode as an example.
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>>33051580
Discount Bonnie
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>>33051626
Eh? I mean I know your just a troll, and I would rather you didn't reply considering this is the only reply I'm giving you, but I repeat eh?
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>>33051547
Let see now ,
Misty followed Ash on her own accord and help him multiple time.
Got jealous of other girl hitting on him
Point out flaws of cocky Ash who was too arrogant to except his own mistake.
Yet she is the worst because she didn't worship Ash.

May acknowledge Ash as her mentor, learn the importance of bond between trainer and pokemon from him.
Even her contest style mirror Ash due to learning from Ash.
Truth is, May became a better after she met Ash.

But again, Your just a guy with Amourshipping googles who think everyone sucks except Serena.
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>>33051605
Now that I think about it,isn't Serena's personality more similar to mirror Serena's by the time we reach the end of XYZ? Aside from the whole tsundere part
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>>33051510
>Also, Nisekoi did what Pokemon trying to do with Amourshipping.
>They shoved an annoying Tsundere on Raku ignoring 4 other better girl.

WHAT!!!?? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

Considering the most similar to Serena was Onodera, I can't do nothing, but laugh very hard at your reply. Shit, even the Gorilla was a lot like Misty in the beginning after softening herself a lot after the 1st summer arc. After that, the blonde shit was more like a strange mix of May's bad eating habits and Dawn's impulsiveness and ability to get along with MC.

At least, Raku called out Chitoge's bullshit in a harsh way twice... or thrice, I can't remember. A thing Ash should have done to Misty and Dawn in the past, but wasn't possible because of Pokémon being the fucking way it is.

I laugh at that because, of all characters in Nisekoi, only the Monkey Woman, Ruri, Haru and Marika were kind of interesting. Kosaki was just like you're trying to describe Serena... a bland character.

Besides, if you didn't watch Ore Monogatari!!, then you don't know another series where the romantic chemistry was made into a hotblooded "romantic pariah" and a shy cardboard cute little shit (don't throw Sunakawa into the mix, because I'm not considering fujoshit bullshit) was developed perfectly without recurring to bicker or tsundereness.

>Ichigo and Orihime work out since they had opposite personality that create its own fun chemistry.
>Ichigo was this serious, Bratty and antisocial badboy while Orihime was a dizzy , sweet and airheaded busty girl.

Really?? Ichigo didn't show interest into nobody before the epilogue and the We Do Knot Always Love You novel. If you dare to talk about chemistry, keep into consideration Ichigo didn't show romantic chemistry to nobody, just nakama-ish dynamics.

Now fuck off.
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>>33051659
You're still here? Want a piece of me, sperg?
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>>33051582
Considering how serena cried a river because Ash was a little mean to her , She could never handle original Ash like the way Misty handled him.
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>>33051685
Bonjour, Monsieur Shitposter. Would zu care for a baguette stuck up zur ass?
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>>33051685
Even Misty failed miserably into handling him. Remember when he was sulking after losing the Indigo League and having his pride shattered, Misty failed, and in a big way into lecturing him (even Pikachu interfered thunderbolt-ing them and everyone who was with them)... it was actually fucking Ritchie who took him out of his funk with more inspiring and kinder words
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>>33051671
Serena maybe like Onodora but Ash is nothing like Raku.
Raku and Onodora was funny because both of them had a crush on one another but could not confess to one another due to their extreme slyness which lead to bizarre situation .
Raku may not notice other girl feeling but he did had the understanding of romance.
Ash has no understanding of romance and no interest in romance.
Unlike Raku , Ash is more straight-forward

Same thing apply with Ichigo !
Ash is not like Ichigo , Rather Ichigo is more like Kiawe or Paul.
Girls like Serena or Orihime work better with bratty , anti-social and lonely bad boys like Ichigo since they need someone bright.
Ash is the opposite of Ichigo.
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>>33051772
Fuck off, ESLsperg. Nobody wants you here.
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Serena loves Ash that's all that matters
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Oh God! What caused all this stupidity?
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>>33051811
I want to fug Millefeui.
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>>33051813
The guy who says post Serena pictures returned you can probably guess the rest from their.
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>>33051831
adamant please
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>>33051528
I thought you were going to do M19.
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>>33051811
And Misty, Angie, Anabel, Macey and Bianca doesn't ?
Angie is closest female friend Ash ever had in any series and she has a canonize crush on him.
The only reason Serena gets more support because she is prettier.
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>>33051813
4kids
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>>33051813
It's kind of difficult to point out. However, it's easier to see SM is a catalyst.
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>>33051831
Well , I always found Millefeui to be more prettier then Serena.
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>>33051842
but she REALLY likes him, he's her goal and she will become a better WOMAN for him
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>>33051866
Get out of here and learn English, sperg.
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>>33051860
(you)
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>>33051872
??? It's not a bait. I'm curious.
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>>33051842
Well, Serena is the only one that 'love' him
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Judging from Ash's current personality , A girl like Moon from PokeSpe manga would be perfect for him.
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>>33051881
>>33051890

However, Angie also truly loves him as well !
Serena ain't the only one loving him.
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>>33051891
Get out.
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>>33051772
Last time I reply to you because it's getting cansine.

Raku's crush towards Kosaki was only an inner delusion of him because of shallow reasons (Ichijou only liked Onodera because she was cute and only because of that. The chances of her being the promise girl only increased his delusional state. Nisekoi was more about building up of a relationship based on both parts knowing and learning to get along. The way the autor did that was very questionable though, because he recurred into using overabused tropes, cliches and "polar extreme beginning and ending". I can agree it would have been more refreshing to have him chose her instead of the gorilla.

Also, Ichijou was dense as fuck just like Ash in that aspect. He lived with an internal delusion, but wasn't able to notice when other girls not named Kosaki were trying to make a move. Other thing Ichijou had in common with Ash is that he was brave as fuck when his friends were in danger. The only thing they are different is that Raku was a bit more level headed and thoughtful when he wasn't into his delusional mode.

>Girls like Serena or Orihime
Orihime was more like May though... the clumsy and airheaded type of girl. If something Serena had some hajidere tendencies

Now, fuck off and throw your chemistry bullshit in >>/a/ .
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>>33051901
How old are you, autistic newfag?
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>>33051903
Shut up .
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>>33051912
Fuck off already.
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>>33051907
Kill yourself.
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What went right?
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>>33051907
Didn't you just criticize Nisekoi for choosing Chitose.
Comparing Ash with Ichigo is like comparing him with Kiawe.
The only similarity Raku had with Ash was denseness.
However, Ash is much more denser because he does not have understanding of romance.
Except for that, Ash and Raku no similarity at all.
Ash is straight-forward, optimistic , Street smart , Adventurous , Athletic.
Truth is, Ash is more like Chitose then Raku

Nope, Orihime was more like Serena.
May is more sassy, gutsy , short-tempered and energetic then Orihime.
Chemistry was applied in Nisekoi and Bleach.
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>>33051970
amour
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>>33051970
Animation, Battles, and Team Flare
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>>33051970
nothing.
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>>33051970
BURASTO BAAN
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>>33051986
Fuck off.
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>>33051986
F U C K O F F
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>last 150 posts or something has been two ESL turbospergs spewing autistic text walls at each other, with some assorted shitposters spamming a bit inbetween
Why
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>>33052026
>Shitposting is love, shitposting is life.
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>>33052026
SM.
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I wonder what moves Charizard use in M20!
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>>33052057
Obviously not BURAASTO BAAN
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>>33052041
Movie 20
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If Lycanroc really has a third form in ultra Sun and Ultra Sun then It would be better if Ash's Rockruff does not evolve now.
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ded
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>>33052227
You realize those games are right around the corner, right?
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Oha in 15 minutes
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>>33048302
another Mallow doujin coming out.

https://twitter.com/noripachi/status/887041949475131392
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>>33052270
With Maru?
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>>33052270
Yep, remembered it this time.
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new bred when
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>>33052293
SOON
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Hype when?
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>>33052280
Nice.
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>>33052285
With Fire
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I want to fuck Olivia.
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>>33052303
When Oha starts.
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New bred, Oha in 10 minutes:
>>33052317
>>33052317
>>33052317
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>>33052255
Leave it the fuck alone, then.




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