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>Game literally makes you use a type advantage
HAHAHAHA
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>>35885371
I'm more interested about who these statues are.
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So I'm forced to catch an Oddish in Viridian forest to face Brock?
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>>35885371
the is a new low.
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>>35885371
I'm not getting this, but fucking hell. I don't whether to laugh or be disappointed.
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>>35885371
Guess what anons? Gen 8 will be just as casualized as this.
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>>35885371
You cant even catch a water or grass Pokemon before Brock. I got through Brock with my Charmander just fine because I wasnt a fucking idiot.
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>>35885476
>oddish
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Those battle animations were horrible.
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>>35885476
Nope, Oddish is now available in Viridian Forest, they showed it.
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>>35885498
This is an actually nice change.
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>>35885371
>Smash incorporates the characters and mechanics across all games and adds Ridley, going to great lengths to display how streamlined the gameplay is getting
>Pokemon turns super babby easy with the game so watered down it has to hold your hand through literally everything
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>>35885529
Pokécucks vs the Chad Sakurai
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>>35885389
The same generic monster that's been a statue since gen 1. It's always been meant to have wings, this is just the first time they're visible since you couldn't see behind them in the sprite days.
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>>35885371
I miss Sun and Moon already.
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>>35885529
Gamefreak's been lazy and casualized since Gen V my dude. This isn't new.
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>>35885641
This is quite clearly a new low, though
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>>35885371
>what is entry level game to get in the casual go players

>>35885461
gen 8 will be normal game and even better you dumbass
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>>35885641
They've never been casualized to this extent though. I'll defend XY and SM but this is fucking ridiculous.
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>>35885371
The speedrunners wont be happy
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>>35885371
pikachu even learns double kick for this gym specifically
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Why can't you have a fighting-type? Mankey?
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>We complain game is getting casualized and kanto-oriented since XY
>They casualized even more in ORAS by removing Battle Frontier
>They pandered Kanto even more in SM by adding Alola Forms, Red, Green and Rainbow Rocket
>We think the games can't be casualized and Kanto-pandered even more
>Gamefreak's face when asking "is this a challenge?"
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>>35885371
60 dollar handholding simulator
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>>35885776
wait really?
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>>35885498
>>35885493
Didnt see that. Still, just have an NPC say what types would work well here. Dont fucking force the player to take the suggestions. What if I dont want an Oddish on my team?
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>>35885818
Seriously, I'm actually impressed with out they come out with new ideas to ruin these games even more, you need quite the creativity at this point
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>>35885807
>implying kids know about all type weaknesses
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>>35885752
>speedrunners
Actually, from that perspective it might be interesting. Finding which set of pokemon is the most efficient to beating the entry requirements for all of the gyms and knowing which ones are the easiest to get might be a little bit of bonus optimisation.
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>>35885400
You are forced to catch Pokemon to get EXP, so yea.
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>>35885841
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>>35885529
>Pokemon turns super babby easy with the game so watered down it has to hold your hand through literally everything

It's not meant for you faggot, stop being a fucking baby
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>>35885847
How did we do when we play pokemon as child ?
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>>35885870
Fucking hell.
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>>35885894
Sweeped everything with our Charizards.
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>>35885826
>he wouldn't even pay $60 to have somebody do the lewdest thing with him
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>>35885892
It's almost as if we're worried they won't live up to their promises for Gen 8 and they'll be just as horrifyingly watered down and casual as LGPE, if not somehow worse just because LGPE sold gangbusters.
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>>35885892
First games were easy enough you could just use your starter and overlevel it to stomp entire agme.

Now it's even easiier.
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>>35885860
Wait what?
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>>35885894
You weren't born after 2000 back then.
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>>35885957
You can rely on trainer battles alone, obviously, but we don't know if that's enough to get on Brock's level.
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so like are we all forgetting gen 5 where they literally GAVE you a mon with type advantage in the first gym?
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>>35885371
Hopefully it's just a check, you can just put the mon back in the pc
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>>35885991
They didn't force you to use it.
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>>35885942
I don't want /vp/ to have nice things anyway, so I don't mind the new changes.
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>>35885991
You still had to go to the Dreamyard and talk to the person, and you could box it immediately.
By the looks of it it will force you to use a type advantage, if the semi-quote "We have new trainers use pokemon with a type advantage" is anything to go by
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>>35885991
>not forced to bring it to the gym
>first gym is always the starter type that beats yours
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>>35886045
You have the PC with you at all Times, so yeah you should be able to
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>release a pokemon
>get a rare candy
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>>35886223
the b8 to end all b8s
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>>35885371
>Can't even use mankey to get pass
Why?
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>>35886223
>literally the same post from the other thread
at least try to disguise your bait
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>>35886223
>You'll see! I'm going to buy literal shit just to spite you, the buy the shit accessories and buy a second shit! That'll show you!
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>>35885842
That's probably fine, they just want you to catch one
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>>35885371
If this is GF's approach to newcomers, then I'm afraid of what they'll do to 2019.
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>Go into gym
>Get told to go catch a certain type of pokemon
>Go out into the grass and quickly catch one because they thought of this
>Get let in
>Use whatever pokemon I want now and put the one I caught in the last slot of my team
It's amazing how people can hate a new game so much they shut their brain off and think that you're locked into that pokemon only when you'll be able to switch out after getting in.
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>>35885942
>It's almost as if we're worried they won't live up to their promises for Gen 8 and they'll be just as horrifyingly watered down and casual as LGPE, if not somehow worse just because LGPE sold gangbusters

Go back to you're mother's basement you paranoid fuck.
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>>35885991
The monkey shitter was ugly as hell. I'm willing to bet majority of people just banished it to their PC as soon as they got it.
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>>35886393
*your
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>>35885371
>one of favorite pokemon is a water-type
>nothing of value was lost
still shitty, though.
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>>35886359
are you seriously defending this bullshit?
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>>35885807
Fighting is only a single type advantage. Grass and Water are a double advantage against Brock's Pokemon.
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>>35886359
Why would you defend this?
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>>35885400
Oddish in Viridian Forest?
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>>35886510
because its a kids game
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>>35886359
>breaking Nuzlock rules
>breaking speedruns
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>>35886359
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>>35886547
Sun and Moon is a kids game, dumbass. This isn't really even a game at this point. Hell, modern kids play competitive games like Fortnite, why would they mind a bit of challenge?
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>>35885371
I don't care that you have to show him a type-special Pokemon, I care more about the environment. Is this really what genwunners wanted? It looks so bad, Jesus Christ. There's no transition from the generic gym layout to the rock environment -- such a stark contrast. I expected something more from a multi-billion dollar company.
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>>35885371
It's only for the first gym.
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>>35885826
>60
In Canada it's 80.
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>>35886547
Red and blue were kids games
All pokemon games are kids games
Kids aren't retarded
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>>35885925
/thread
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>>35887244
in 2018 kids are retarded
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I was excited for LGPE but now it's completely ruined for me.
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>>35886640
Fuck off leaf nobody cares
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>>35885371
Nice Wii graphics.
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>>35885641
>gen v
>casualized
it's the anti-normie gen, though?
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>>35885371
But Pikachu and presumably Eevee learn double kick. Whats the fucking point?
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>>35887359
Gen V TMs were the start of the end.
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>>35887390
>qol is the same as handholding
I bet you hated when it lets you use a repel when one runs out instead of having to get into the bag, too.
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Not even sure why they even used Kanto for this preschool video games tutorial. No rational genwunner or even human in general past age 5 would buy this
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>>35886543
They put Oddish in Viridian Forest, check the footage.
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>>35887365
Making sure for the kiddies didn't accidently take all the quadrillon helps thrown to their faces to have a chance to win the battle, despite everything being so dumbed down already, cuz kids are retards!
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>>35887390
Pokedex size will cause that eventually regardless of what Gen it is.
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>this is the game that 18fags begged and pleaded for and claimed victory for

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hope you faggots are happy
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>>35885371
And there will be still retards in denial who will try to defend this shit.
I mean, I get it GF, you're making a game for the mainstream GO public who abandoned the franchise after GS. You want it to be as casualized as possible.
But isn't this going too far? C'mon, not even normalfags are this bad at video games. The extremes we're reaching are starting to feel insulting towards them.
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>>35885870
>cp
what did they mean by this????
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>>35886593
>Is this really what genwunners wanted?

Of course not. Genwunners aren't even interested in new games and would never be satisfied by them, they stopped after Gen 1.
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>>35887568
I think this is GF attempting to explain their game to a new audience. And I agree that Pokemon games suck at explaining their own mechanics. There are players that think that Burn is just Poison but with a red text box. Or that Pursuit is just a shitty dark type moves and not a sharp punishment for switching (you'd never know that because NPCs rarely switch). So yes I agree that GF needs to reconsider how they present their mechanics.

But this shit right here is retarded. The guy at the front door already explained type match ups to you in Gen 1. It was a suggestion but not a mandate. Now they don't even let you in the front door if you don't have a SE type? Hey Gamefreak! What if I have a SE coverage move?
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>>35887618
>attempting to explain
You learn by trial and error, the first time I had Red I just overleveled my charmeleon until it could kill his rock types. You dont spoonfeed shit to people especially kids who literally need to thinky thinky to advance their brains compared to us adults and the teenagers.
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>>35885598
>>35885389
It's Charizard
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>>35885371
They should've adopted the FRLG help menu and be done with it.
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>>35887639
Rhydon the first pokemon literally.
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Didn't we just have this fucking thread already
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>>35887636
And that's why I said they should've left it the way it was where the guy at the front door offered a suggestion and that was it. If you want to stroll into an electric type gym with 6 water Pokemon and a stiff erection you could do that and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

With that said I don't think most of the playerbase understands like half of Pokemon's battle system. Which is probably why I can go to the Battle Spot and slaughter a never ending conga line of legendaries with a few decent plays that would probably never work on someone competent.
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>>35887405
Reusable TMs is not a QoL feature. QoL would have been being able to buy multiples of every TM or obtain extras in some other way (mini-game or whatever).
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Why even play video games That's too hard and complicated, why not just let play themselves?
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>>35887390
What the fuck? Why is ANYONE complaining about this? Infinite TMs and tutors was a godsend for Pokemon since you can do actual teambuilding without trying to figure out how you can teach more than one Pokemon Earthquake. Boy I sure do love having access to one and only one Solarbeam
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Jesus they no shame
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>>35886402
but pansage is cute...
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>>35885371
Are you dumb or what, there's literally no grass/water pokemon before gym 1 in yellow, are they giving you an old rod before or what?
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>>35885641
>Gamefreak's been lazy
i wish they were lazy, at least they would leave the game alone, instead they do keep (minimum) effort but in making the games worse instead of improving it.
It took them more effort to force this shit than to just leave it like it was
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>>35887847
Oddish is available in Viridian Forest now
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>>35887679
Well, the game does a poor job of actually teaching you how to play for all that some people frame the singleplayer as a huge tutorial. It's a shame they chose to spotlight something (type effectiveness) that most players already grasp, it could have been a neat way to teach people lesser known mechanics instead.
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>>35887847
Eh they make oddish available in viridian
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>>35887886
Which lesser known mechanics?
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> we want putt putt audience
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>>35886640
In argentina that's like 1500+
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>>35887928
That's stupid if you're playing pokemon with friends then there is no need to train or build a team.
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>>35887886
Exactly. If you're going to fill your game full of shit that 9 year olds have known about since 1997 how about instead we do this? When you get burned about about you say

>[POKEMON] was burned, attack has been halved!

And that will instantly tell you what the value of Burn is besides the chip damage. Or how about instead of creating an infinite number of monotype teams that you can invalidate with a single type you make teams built around stall, sweeping, etc? Maybe they can switch and take advantage of the rock paper scissors. Like switching switching into resistant types? Or better switching into Flash Fire or Volt Absorb so new players know that's something they can do?
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>>35887923
I'm assuming we're talking about children, so shit like Physical vs Special moves, move priority, effects of status conditions beyond poison and confuse being annoying, weather, etc.
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>>35885371
>he didn’t see the multiple times when they caught the Pokémon that they are stored in your bag now and so you can show the gatekeeper the Pokémon to enter and then swap out right afterwards.
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okay same guy that said that there were no grass and got called out.

Notice what gamefreak is doing here, which makes me really mad, they are adding a GRASS pokemon before gym 1.

Not fighting which already was available (mankey, or nidoran who could learn a fighting move).

Not water by giving you an old rod early.

Nope.

They are INTENTIONALLY giving you the ONLY type of pokemon that made the game MUCH more easy early on.

they are forcing you to get an oddish which is pretty good versus gym 1 (absorb) but don't worry I bet you they give it some broken early level grass type move too next gen.

In addition to that, you will be training it so higher stats and then you can use it to fuck over misty too.

Lt surge doesn't have any super effective moves vs it too.


Oh yeah let's not forget how acid is super effective against gym 4 too... hmm seems like a VERY strange choice for an early level pokemon doesn't it.
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>>35885371

Every time I think the franchise can't get more casual, GameFreak finds a way to let me down.
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> wtf gamefreak why you put grass type into hugest forest in kanto
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>>35888178
I think the problem is that the game forces you to use a type advantage
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>>35885371
maybe I want to defeat the gym leader with a pokemon that has a type disadvantage, just to show off how good I am
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>>35887937
And how does that translate into real currency? Or it's actually 1500 dollars?
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>>35886571
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

I CAN'T EVEN FIND A LOOPHOLE AROUND GF'S BULLSHIT.
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You all retarded, MC starts with bulbasaur. This guy is just a reminder.
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Will it be possible to show him the water type, then deposit it in the PC and come back, or does he ask you to show him shit every time you go in?
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>>35888356
There's no PC anymore anon, you carry all ur pokemans in a bag
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>>35885631
At least with the Exp off it was a legitimate challenge.

I bet I can beat the game without training any of my Pokemon
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I thought at the very least games primarily made with 10 year olds in mind would be immune to casualization.
I mean why the hell right?
And here we are.
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>>35888374
...
Masuda, I want to like these games, I really do but you're not giving me much to work with.
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>>35888356
>PC
too difficult, might be overwelming, you can just take all the pokemon you want with you now
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>>35887390
Infinite TMs are the single best fix a Pokémon game ever got besides breeding.
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>>35886640
And with HST it's $90.
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>>35886295
I hate this game with a passion but was the “oh bet the goys know” really nessesary? It just ruins your argument. It’s why people think you’re a nazi even though you haven’t killed anyone.

But yeah. Gen 7.5 needs to die. NOW.
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>next gen games
>try to use nve move on oppnent
>"mm no anon, better try another move"
>selcet a neutral move
>"good but you can do better
>select the last move you have
>"it's super effective" "Gym leade'rs pokemon fainted"
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>>35887928
Putt Putt games were more advanced than this.
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>>35888045
Thing is Pokemon has alot going on in it for a kids game. Using Rain Dance and Drizzle sounds like a great plan if you crutch on your water type. But doing that opens you up to 100% accurate Thunder, one of most powerful electric attacksin the game that brutalizes most water types. There's a risk and reward to a lot in pokemon
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>>35888500
>Let's protect the kids from learning from their mistakes and assume they're too retarded to figure stuff out, or you know just google, considering they have access to the internet.
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>>35888529
Gen 7 already did this with the moves and it's useful.
Your autism isn't justified.
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>>35887928
>>35888482
he's not talking about the game with the purple car btw
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>>35885371
tfw casuals in RBY were so bad that had to wait for Butterfree to get Confusion
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I'm just going to play Megami Tensei and Digimon Dawn/Dusk.
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>>35888711
He might as well be
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>>35888178
Abundance of bugs (and birds in Yellow) prevent the existence of Grass-types in the Viridian Forest
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>>35889031
but it's poison type
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>>35889043
Bug moves are super effective against both Grass and Poison types. That's why Zubat and Paras you can catch in Mt. Moon have a field day using Leech Life once you enter Route 24 and 25 where the plantmons live
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>>35889063
>bug super effective against poison
wat
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>>35889160
It was in RBY due to a bug (no pun intended)
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>>35889160
It used to be in Gen 1. Almost nobody ever noticed because Leech Life was a shit low level fodder move and Pin Missile could only be used by Beedrill, a low stat shitmon, and Jolteon, which you wanted to use only for electric attacks.
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>>35889160
Yeah, you can put that camera down Anon. I'm talking RBY
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>>35885371
Are you ready for finite TMs returning? You have better be.
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>>35885461
It won't.
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>>35885371
This kills the Nuzlocke.
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>>35885389
Missingno
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>>35887796
>>35888412
"Infinite TMs" should have been a shop, not "time to teach Thunderbolt to literally every Pokemon on my team the moment I get it". this guy gets it >>35887769
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>>35887285
Maybe because they aren't being challenged
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>>35889262
instead it'll just be casualized like sun and moon were, which is just as bad. and they're going to do it because idiots defended those.
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>>35888949
That's an insult to my nigga Putt Putt.
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You don't have to catch Oddish. Would it make you feel better to know that Bulbasaur is available too?
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>>35889845
>original starter Pokemon are super common now
Fuck that's lame.
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>>35889878
>super common
>only 1 seen the whole time they were in the forest
That's surprisingly rare with how many pokemon they have on the map at one time in the demo.
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>>35889878
At least it's only a spin off game
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NxneAFzUXg
>Bellsprout in the forest too
Hopefully it's just a fuck up like the lvl 6 pikachu having doublekick
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>>35885371
>Champ in the making bro is now an unlikable roadblocking cunt in the same vein as the Stoutland faggot in SM
hopefully he'll get his redemption in gen 8
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>>35885461
This is what they come up with when they're /trying/ to make the series more casual.

What's their idea of what "longtime fans of the Pokémon series [will] look forward to"? The same thing they've been doing to core games for a while now?
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>>35890065
>This is what they come up with when they're /trying/ to make the series more casual.
Which has been the design philosophy for every game since XY.
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>>35885371
I don't know why people are so up-in-arms over this, it makes complete sense. People always complain about the main series games being dumbed down every generation, meanwhile the battle system evolves and continues to get more complex and competitive. Splitting the game into baby-series and harder-series makes a lot of sense.

I guarantee you, the 2019 games are going to (positively) reinvent the series, be difficult and/or fleshed out in a way proportional to these games. Screencap this.
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>>35885371
That’s so dumb.
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>>35885842
Catch one and have it in your last slot.
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>>35887390
Retard. QOL =/= Hand holding. One use TMs were bullshit.
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>>35890076
you are optimistic to the point of being downright delusional.

if you think it won't be literally just as bad if not worse than Gen 7 were, you're just stupid.
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>>35886118
>>35885991
I... did not know this.
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>>35890145
you literally don't even know what QOL means, retard.

>>35887769
>>35889627
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>>35890157
>still have to jump through a bunch of hoops just to do some competitive movesets
>improving quality of life
do you not know what words mean
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>>35890146
I don't think anything because I literally haven't seen anything in Gen 8.
Pokemon has been casual or downright, shit since Gen V. And what I can infer is that with the Let's Go games, they have more of an incentive to make Gen 8 more challenging.
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>>35890163
Yes a "quality of life" change is something that doesn't change the mechanics in any way, but makes it easier to do something.
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>>35890163
considering you think changing the progression of the game and how it's played is the same thing as quality of life, you certainly don't.

being able to teach every pokemon you ever get Thunderbolt the moment you beat Lt. Surge is not a Quality of Life change. it's a difficulty reduction. it's dumbing down a mechanic. it takes away any semblance of thought involved in deciding who to save a TM for. the point of the game was never for you to be able to get infinite uses during the game's progression, period.

you gonna try and claim changing other game mechanics that affect the balance of the game (hint: competitive shit is not the only part of the game where balance matters) are "quality of life" changes, too? gargle some more 50 dollar pokeballs, drone.
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>>35888529
>Let's pretend we know what's best for todays kids.
Are you a boomer?
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>>35887618
This seems more their attempt to keep people's interests in a slow rpg with a lot of text and menus. Otherwise they'd try teaching the things you mentioned.

Pokemons gameplay is too boring and outdated for casuals and kids, they want fast, exciting, flashy action where they don't have to plan much.

Though FE going seemingly back to its roots gives me a little hope for pokémons future.
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>>35888400
PC's do literally nothing to being downright in the way. What the fuck are you on about?
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>>35888103
>Man playing with Bulbasaur in RBY makes the game real easy
Who would've thought?
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>>35889262
>type advantage wont show up in online battles I swear, it's just for the baby story mode
fuck off not falling for that shit again after SM
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>>35885371
I beat the original games when I was 7 or 8.

Who are these games made for? Adult mobile "gamers" who are dumber than children?
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>>35887796
Dude, I don't mind infinite TM's but holy shit.
If you ran out of PP in the Elite 4 or something, you do realize that you can just reteach the TM and be fine. It almost defeats the purpose.
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>>35885371
>>35885870
I didn't think these games could piss me off.
I was disappointed yes, but this just makes me mad. FUCK Game Freak forever. Glad I jumped this fucking ship.
Hope for Gen 8 is at absolute zero.
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>>35890208
They should make a DLC that costs twice as much as the game for nuzlockers like you that have this fetish for pointless difficulty.
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>>35885371
Champ in making guy is way uglier than i thought
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>>35890254
People that get stumped at fucking Candy Crush. Type matchups in Pokemon is like a quantum enigma to these kind of retards.
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I can deal with and make peace with the loss of wild battles, but now the game is deliberately forcing you to have certain Pokemon in your party. Not only are you losing gameplay, you're now losing the ability to make your run unique since you're forced to run a specific Pokemon type.

Defend this, someone seriously defend this. Onix already has gimped stats because of this fight, the starters learn moves that are SE against Rock already, there is just no justification for locking you out of a gym for not having mons that would curbstomp it. That's just absurd.
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>>35890262
>"nuzlockers like you"
i have never done a nuzlocke run in my life
>fetish for pointless difficulty
you're not making yourself look any smarter with stupid comments like this. make sure to buy another copy of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon so daddy game freak makes the games the way you like them
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>>35888103
>>Acid is super effective against 4 gyms
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>>35885371
welp, looks like they want to make GYMs closer to the idea of a real life one

although it sounds pitiful to resort to this to help casuals, since they were like waiting for Butterfree to get Confusion back then in Yellow (instead of picking a fucking Mankey nearby to oneshot Onix)
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>>35890293
no offense but are you dyslexic
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>>35890321
Ah I see i am a retard, it is still technically not though because every gen 1 grass type is part poison.
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>>35890331
yeah the person who posted it was overreacting and fixating on a fucking oddish instead of the shitty roadblock itself, i just thought the mistake was funny
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>>35890331
Erika used a Tangela but yes you're basically right
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POKEMON ENDED WITH GEN 5, EVERYTHING AFTER DOESN'T EXIST, WHY DOES THIS BOARD EVEN EXIST? POKEMON HASN'T RELEASED A GAME SINCE BW2!?
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>>35890457
why do you exist
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>>35885847
This gym purpose was to literally teach you about this. First time you see a rock type do you have advantage or not.
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I was giving the game the benefit of the doubt because I felt that making a simpler, more streamlined system would give them the liberty to develop a more dynamic and interesting single player campaign with like, genuine bosses. You know, something engaging that's suited to the play experience they've set up, not a new system slapped onto a gameplay loop that was never designed to support it.

Is it really JUST going to be the same single player campaign as RBY with watered down systems though? That's the impression I get from this stuff, and it's terrible.
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>>35890552
hoLY SHIT YOU ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR DISAPPOINTMENT IF YOU THINK THIS GAME WILL AMOUNT TO ANYTHING REMOTELY ENGAGING
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>>35890260
That's not what I'm talking abut at all. I'm talking about making a Gyarados, teaching it Earthquake to take advantage of its high attack and using it as coverage against electric types that's just itching to hit it was a 4x super effective attack. Then getting another Pokemon, let's say Nidoking, and wanting to teach it Earthquake too since it doesn't learn it naturally and it's a great STAB move. Except oops turns out you only get one. So is it going to be coverage or STAB? What about when you get online and start battling other people? Your Gyarados is objectively crippled if you don't teach it EQ in a series that's built on the back of team building.

Infinite TMs let you make the team you want to make. Especially when the endgame revolves around either pvp or Battle Facilities.
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>>35885957
This is not a mainline game, it's a "What if Pokemon Yellow had Pokemon Go mechanics" kind of deal.
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>>35885371
>Have to bring a water or grass type to the first gym
>Pokemon is casualized and ruined forever!!!!11!!
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>>35890076
Were this fall of 2014 and the last game to come out was XY, I'd agree with you. They did the game for toddlers, and now they'll make a game for six year olds. The problem is the last four games have been for toddlers, so I've kind of lost faith in them. The game they're going to give us in 2019 is just going to end up being USUM tier.
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>>35890788
just update the department store in postgame, don't ruin the main game with consequence free nonsense
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>>35888257
The games still cost ~60 us dollars here (usually more because of taxes). It's just really expensive here because we're poor as fuck (the average salary is like 300-400 us dollars a month, and Buenos Aires is one of the most expensive cities incthe world to live in for some reason).
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>>35885598
You literally could, there were many mons in the overworld which used this sprite
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>>35885371
I don't know why everyone is surprised when people where literally complaining about ultra necrozma being "too hard".

It's hard to tell for us, but normalfags and casuals do struggle a lot with pokemon... and sadly they are the bigger buying group.
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>>35885371
Jokes on them I always used butterfree with confusion to win
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>>35890276
Mobile gamers are too stupid to realize that Double Kick would be super effective? Or that pokémon can learn moves they don't share a type with? Or learned from the anime to spam thundershock because your Pikachu is special?

They really went the extra mile.
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>>35890972
Why? Onix has a SpD of 45. 30 in Gen 1. You can kill with Ember. It can't defend itself. It doesn't even know any Rock type moves. It only has Tackle/ Bide/ Screech/ and Bind.
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>>35886359
You're completely missing the point, but I'm not surprised. You're actually excited for this drek.
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>>35889627
Oh yeah I completely forgot that every single Pokemon in the game could be taught all 100 TMs.
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>>35890076
>Reinvent the battle system
>Cant battle wild mons, get exp from capturing them
>Can double team trainers with the use of the other switch controller
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>>35890208
Because every Pokemon can learn Thunderbolt, right? There's a huge chance you'll have zero Pokemon that can even be taught the TM. It's not like they ever thought about this and made most of the better TMs a lategame or even postgame item.
You drooling retard.
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>>35891021
>>35891054
thunderbolt is like herpes man, you'd be surprised how much shit gets it
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>>35885371
>choose charmander
>game over
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>>35885371
>spin-off game developed for the purposes of encouraging new and younger players to play the game
>locks the game's progress behind a requirement intended to ensure the player understands one of the game's core principles.

This is a very smart choice on the part of game freak. They knew you grognards would get pissed off by the game being "casualized", and none of you were going to buy it whether they did this or not. They're catering to their demographic, and doing so intelligently. Getting upset about this is like getting upset that Pokemon Shuffle implements an energy system, or that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon randomizes its dungeons. Different games require different design. This isn't "the beginning of the end", this is a side path.
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>>35891058
Ice Beam is an even more contagious choice. Seriously, just read the list of Pokémon that can learn Ice Beam
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>>35885529
They literally said this game is aimed for the casual audience
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>>35885389
I always thought that was supposed to be a Rhydon, but now it looks like some sort of hybrid of a Charizard+Substitute
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>>35885371
>talk to Brock, and they're literally seconds away from battling him
>let's cut to a 15 minute talk about the pokeball controller
>never get back to Brock
This was literally the most dissatisfying thing I've ever seen.
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>>35891084
>spin off
Nope. Game Freak said it themselves it's a mainline game. A remake of Yellow version, to be exact.
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>>35888500
If I could figure out FF8's shitty junction system and magic at ten, children can learn Pokemon.
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>>35891084
>or that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon randomizes its dungeons.
literally no one would get mad at that consdering the concept is in THE FUCKING TITLE and isn't even comparable in the slightest.
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>>35890260
Don’t they not do that anymore? Pretty sure the current PP of the move replaced is the current PP of the new move.
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The game is meant for super casuals and kids.
>>35885389
Also yeah the statues..fucking stupid. I always though they were that way in gen 1 because you can't make a super detailed sprite, but that they actually did represent a specific Pokemon, like maybe Charmander or something.
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>>35891167
That was in Gen 5 and Gen 5 alone
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>>35891118
Find me a source that says that Pokemon Let's Go games are mainline, I'll wait. them being remakes doesn't necessarily make them mainline games.

>>35891141
>REEEE why is catching Pokemon casualized
>Let's GO is in the title
That's what I mean, you're all treating this like it's a mainline game that's been badly designed, but it's not. It's a spinoff "home console" RPG, like Colosseum or XD. They literally said this game is intended for the at home experience, and that the 2019 entries will be more traditional portable games.
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>>35890546
This gym leaders are for kids, if they designed a game for teens goyfreak would have to get of its ass and design actual competent teams.
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>>35891179
Nope, also in XY as well
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>>35891251
>We consider the game as a remake of Pokemon Yellow


http://ryokutya2089.com/archives/10886
https://nintendoeverything.com/full-comments-from-pokemons-president-on-the-lets-go-games-and-2019-entries/
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-06-03-pokemon-boss-junichi-masuda-on-keeping-hardcore-players-happy-borrowing-from-pokemon-go-and-lets-gos-story
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>>35890913
Córdoba is relatively cheap.
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>>35891286
Read my post again, genius.
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>>35891311
>I'm just gonna ignore the interviews because I'm retarded because they don't specifically say "mainline" even though they fully admit the games are remakes of Yellow
Where do you fucking cocksuckers come from? It's baffling how contrarian you fucks are. IF the games are a remake of a MAINLINE game, they are also by virtue going to be MAINLINE games as well, no matter what your autism says otherwise.
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>>35890157
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>>35890197
>>35890157
You’re a special kind of stupid.
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>>35891336
There are huge, obvious, mechanical changes. You're making an assumption against conflicting evidence, and telling me I'm not paying attention? Not to mention I led with this and you still trotted out your "evidence" know full well it's insufficient.
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You are now aware that Sinnoh will never get a proper remake on handhelds, but will be made into a Switch game in the style of Pokemon Let's Go.
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>>35885371
How is this bad when applied?
If you have eight gyms and you'd need to train 8 mons intead of smashing everything with one overleved charizard this is an improvement.
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>>35889897
I must wonder how shinys will work in this.
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>>35891383
Mechanical changes don't make a game a spin off you dolt, and the biggest mechanical change is only how you catch Pokemon. It's still a remake of a mainline game made by the people who created the series in the first place.
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>>35891423
Cool. None of that stuff makes it a mainline game though.

You should read through this interview, maybe it'll help you understand :)
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-06-03-pokemon-boss-junichi-masuda-on-keeping-hardcore-players-happy-borrowing-from-pokemon-go-and-lets-gos-story
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>>35891461
Just because you say the games are a spin off doesn't make it true. I'd rather trust the developers than some jackoff on the internet because you think having a few different mechanics from games you are used to make it a spinoff.
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>>35890042
I miss the incarnation where he was a cool dude who bought you Lemonade
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>>35885389
Squirmandsaur
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>>35891484
This isn't even an argument. I'm just re-iterating what they already said. Are you just going to keep responding to me with looser and looser arguments until I get bored and stop responding? Or are you going to explain that you were just trolling now?
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>>35885371
ALRIGHT IM FUCKING DONE GAMEFREAK
I've never been so angry with my life. What the fuck is this GAMEFREAK??
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>>35890981
>Mobile gamers are too stupid to realize that Double Kick would be super effective?
Haven't watched LGPE gameplay but I would have assumed they pulled a Gen 7 and just straight up told you type effectiveness whether you asked for it or not.
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>>35891403
N-No.......
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>>35891543
>Dey not mainline games bcuz I say so
>never mind the fact dat all evidence points to it being mainline games
What part of "remakes of Yellow" are you failing to understand ? It's a game, from the developers who make the mainline games, a remake of one of the games they previously made. Taking some inspiration from Go does not automatically make it a spinoff. You're going through Kanto, to collect gym badges, so you can fight the Elite Four and become the champion of the region. This is not like Colosseum or XD where it is being made by a difference developer but with a similar battle system. It is following 90% of the rules that Game Freak always follows when making the mainline games. All evidence points to mainline and it doesn't matter what you think because it doesn't follow your exact view.
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>>35891583
>https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-06-03-pokemon-boss-junichi-masuda-on-keeping-hardcore-players-happy-borrowing-from-pokemon-go-and-lets-gos-story
Read the article I posted, shitwit, I'm not going to spoon feed you any harder. You're latching onto the term "remake", ignoring all the changes made to move the game in a different direction, and act like I'M treating my opinion like its fact, all while refusing to look at cold hard evidence. I hope you learn how to properly absorb information, or you're going to have a miserable life. Take a moment to think about what you could have done to avoid being so thoroughly incorrect in the future. Maybe you should have taken the time to try to better understand my point, or maybe you could have done research before speaking with authority. I don't know what your problem is though, and I've led you to water. Whether you choose to drink is up to you though, I'm washing my hands of your idiocy.
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>>35890276
the text does say its a pewter gym thing.
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>>35890039
Bellsprout is usually version exclusive with Oddish, so that's probably the case here.
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>>35891061
>choose charmander
Nope, just eevee/pikachu
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>>35886571
Hopefully it's only for the first gym.
If this apply for the all gyms.. Then, fuck gamefreak. That would require us to roll around our party.
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>>35890157
>>35887769
>I want finite TMs back so I can torture myself with teambuildings
>I want TMs to be new money sinkhole so you must grind for money
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>hate starter and box it
>catch a bug type and try to solo the game
>can't progress past first gym now
thanks gamefreak for the progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So this game is a super casual Pokemon Go companion program essentially? if yes, is there a normal Pokemon game coming?
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Well the game is centered on catching since the only time you fight is against trainers and gym leaders. Levels depend entirely on what you catch, and catching different types is what determines your overall strength, right? It doesn't say you have to use them, and it's also the first gym.

This game is targeted at Go players that haven't touched a Pokemon game in possibly 20 years. The first gym having a pre-entry goal of learning type weaknesses isn't a bad thing. If every single gym does this, then I'd be a little irritated.
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>>35892046
Yeah, mainline RPG coming in 2019
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>>35892088

thats so fucking stupid, all the consumers wanted was a real RPG, not this tomogachi casual bullshit, do they really hate money? why invest time, money, and resources into this garbage
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>>35890042
>That dude in unova
Why was he so fucking based
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What happens if you use up all your pokeballs and money before Pewter on pokemon that aren't water or grass type? Are you just stuck if you don't have a ball to catch an oddish?
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>>35892096
>all the consumers
loooooool

besides, USUM came out less than a year ago, are you really that impatient?
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>>35892096
this is a gap year technically so either this game or none.
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>>35892077
>This game is targeted at Go players that haven't touched a Pokemon game in possibly 20 years.
They should stay the fuck away from Pokémon if this is what WE are getting because of them.
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>>35892096
>makes a game for casuals
>thinks it won't make money

lmao what a retard
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>>35892130
You act like console Pokemon titles being for babbies is new. Remember Pokepark 1 and 2? Console Pokemon titles are either for super babbies OR occasionally we get the really weirdass spinoff like Pokken or puzzle game crossovers.
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>>35892141
Remember Pokemon Stadium?

For kids
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>Gamefreak in the 90s
>Uses intelligent design for problem solving, doesn't spoon feed you for the first 4 gyms
>For Brock, if you've picked a Charmander, you can find a Nidoran or Caterpie while grinding if you can't manage to Ember spam, both of which are the clear answers provided, Nidoran through Double Kick and Caterpie through evolving into Butterfree and abusing Confusion
>For Misty, a Grass type is easily available if you go exploring, along with a a lot of trainers to help raise it
>For Surge, Diglett Cave
>For Erika, a Fire type is easily available if you go explore the surrounding area
>At this point Gamefreak assumes you've either diversified your team enough or grown strong enough that you don't need an instant answer in the areas around the gym
>Gamefreak now - Literally has to spoonfeed you what types works, won't let you fight unless you have them for fear that a single failure will make you drop the game
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>First time playing a pokemon game as a stupid kid never had any ounce of troubling learning not to shoot fire at a rock
Hmmmmmmmmm
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>>35892141
PokéPark 1 and 2 were not by Game Freak or an attempt to make a core game for Gofags, PokéPark was an action-adventure game, completely fucking different, and even those games had some semblance of gameplay and occasionally gave you a challenge.
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Did you retards even watch the treehouse? They're literally just asking you if you've caught a grass or water type, you don't even have to use them.
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>>35892205
OP's screenshot is from the Treehouse demo you fucking braindead faggot.
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>>35885371
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>>35889278
>Babies who used Pidgy, Rattata, Bug types, and Charmander/Pikachu
What is Mankey? What is Nidoran with Double Kick? This isn’t new, quit cherrypickng and crying like little faggots wanting to be accepted.
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>>35892187
That's the general idea that kids these days operate on though. You need to be around kids playing video games. They enjoy repetitive mobile type games and society has been discouraging the concept of failure more than ever.
If we couldn't beat Pokemon, we didn't have as many quick, free to play games to fall back on and we had longer attention spans than they did.
Thats why we like lengthy JRPGs and they like candy crush. They need pleasurable feedback from the simplest of inputs faster than any other generation and its affecting how the game industry designs childrens games. Emphasis on children.
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>>35892217
The difference is that you are forced to have the weakness on your team you ebin bait poster
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>>35885371
Not reading every single comment, but you are supposed to SHOW him one. You're not forced to use it. Surely someone posted that by now, but here's another for new folks who read later posts first.
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>>35892265
What's worse is that GF aren't making the games much easier, just far more tedious.

Look at Gen7, filled to the brim with expository dialouge. The kids who are so dumb that they get lost in the gen 1-4 maps don't have the fucking patience to sit through 40 minutes of tutorials. They aren't going to listen to Hau and Lillies inane banter and advice.

GF has imagined some kind of super-patient retard. One that is too dumb to intuitively grasp the mechanics of the easist jrpg out there, yet has the patience to sift through their corny rubbish writing.
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>>35885371

I literally decided not to buy the game when I saw that.

I was telling myself that maybe I could look passed the flaws but that shit is just insulting
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>>35892330
Have you read the follow-up? Death of a political teen?
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>you have to be female to enter this gym
WTF!?
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>>35892217
>mankey
you mean that poke in gen1 who didnt have Fighting type attacks until the 30s and was first found on Route 5 which is after Brocks gym? And Nidoran didnt get double kick until the 30s or so.
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>>35892350
KEK.
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>>35892312
You can't enter the gym without it, your forced to go out and waggle your wrist until you catch some shit, then go back.
It's a waste of time, and insult to ones intelligence.

Doesn't help that the battles in this game look like absolute shit, and not something i should be seeing on a mainline console.
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>>35892217
>>35892370
You're both kinda retarded. RB Mankey wouldn't get a fighting move by the time you got to brock and neither would the Nidos unless you solo with it ignoring all other mons.
In Yellow Mankey got low kick at lv. 9.

BUT the thing is that Onix only had Tackle and Bide as damaging moves. And if he used Bide, you could debuff it.
You really didn't need a SE move to beat him at all.
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Does the fact that casuals have their own specific garbage games now mean that they’ll finally make the core games challenging as fuck for the actual fans of the game?
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>>35892404
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>>35892213
And you're not understanding the context because you didn't watch it, you retarded cocksucker.
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>>35892404
Bruh

What do you think?
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Can you fight wild pokemon?
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>>35885371
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>>35892504
No.

Wild pokemon are on screen and no random battles and you catch them for exp
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>>35892277
Forced to add them too your roster not to battle with them.
>>35892297
>Bandwagon post
>>35892393
I played Yellow and FireRed.
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>>35888002
>Or how about instead of creating an infinite number of monotype teams that you can invalidate with a single type
They eve did something like that. As bad as DP are, they atleast tried to make Gym Leaders challenging. Candice has a Medicham, a Fighting type to deal with Rock and Steel types, who are super effective against her Ice types and Volkner has not only an Octillery to deal with Ground types, but also a Baton Passing Ambipom with Agility and Nasty Plot.
And they fucked it up in Platinum. They gave both of them Monotype teams in Platinum.
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>must be male to enter this gym
WTF!?
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>>35892645
That wasn't intentional. They gave them those because they were idiots and forgot to actually put enough pokemon of the type in the region. Thus, they just picked things that suited their theme, could be found nearby, or learned proper coverage of that type.

If it was intentional, it would apply to more Gym Leaders and E4 members than just the ones that were short.
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>>35892001
This.

A happy medium would be rebootable TMs. For example, teaching Gyarados Earthquake leaves you with an empty TM26 that can only be rebooted by removing Earthquake from said Gyarados.
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>>35886640
And in New Zealand, it's $90. The Canadian Dollar is almost 1:1 with the NZ Dollar. Fuck that. And Poke Ball Plus is NZ$85. What a scam.
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>>35892510
Which would be your character, in the context of the game. OP's screencap confirms you need one of those types to enter. Don't try to be disingenuous.
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>>35892408
The "context" is that you need a grass- or water-type Pokemon to challenge Cock, you cuck.
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>>35892217
>Mankey
>grass or water type
Found the illiterate retard.
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>>35885680
>>35889262
>>35892122
Baseless conjecture by morons.
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>>35893323
Mankey was super effective against Brock dumbass. Yeah its no grass/water type but it still worked back in Gen 1/3

Here you go though for being a good boy.
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>>35893295
Right... which would imply that worst case its only for the first gym to teach the mechanic of type effectiveness.

Also assumes that theres no options to turn off beginner mode to allow people who have done this all before to battle how they like
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>>35893337
>Can't read the screenshot in OP's post
You need a water- or grass-type to even challenge the gym, you absolute fucking retard.
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>>35893341
But it doesn't inherently imply that, no. It says for those who haven't challenged a gym before, you have to use those types for THAT gym. What's stopping them from doing that for each gym and just changing the types?
The next one could be "for those who have only challenged one gym before, we get them to use an electric or grass type".
The text is vague enough to allow such a thing.

Also, if you think Game Freak will add such an option, you're delusional.
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>>35893350
Dumbass, you could use a mankey back in the day to deal with brock instead of a water grass. It's exclusion is fucking stupid. But here's a (you)
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>>35885371
>this game that's obviously designed for 8-year-olds and under
>makes the player do shit that's obviously designed for 8-year-olds and under
That's like laughing at preschoolers for being 4.
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>>35885894
Trial and error, something postmillennials cannot even imagine since they're handed everything and shielded from the existence of the concept of failure. They think the only meaning of the word "no" is "I wanna do what I want so I'll ignore you".
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>>35893356
Mankey doesn't sell merch, Oddish does.
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>>35893356
But that's literally not what we're talking about here, is it? We're talking about LGP, and you're saying to use Mankey when it specifically says you need a water- or grass-type to enter. You are a fucking moron, anon.
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>>35893354
How about we add a little more context then?

>Pewter gym only allows trainers who know the type match ups to enter

So this is just a thing for Pewter City, seems to imply that each gym might have its own pre-requisite or entry condition

>You have to show me a grass or water type pokemon

>Great that pokemon is exactly what I wanted to see, head on in and aim to become pokemon champion

trainer heads in, and immediately uses pikachu in fight with the gym trainer.

It doesnt force use of grass and water types, It just asks you show you know the type match ups (even though it gives the answer) you can still battle however you like
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>>35889639
They are. They are mentally challenged
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>>35891251
>Find me a source that says that Pokemon Let's Go games are mainline
Ishihara literally says it in the announcement event. Go watch the video on youtube.com/pokemon/videos

>>35891381
>still not knowing what quality of life means
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>>35892001
>must grind for money
Have you even played any game since BW? Money is never a problem.
Personally I'd prefer something more fun like a mini game. Or shit even reapawning TMs a day or two after you use them and you have to go find them again. Something, anything that requires more than 0 skill.
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>>35886555
>breaking Nuzlock
WTF I love GPGE now.
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>>35888232
tbf there is no good in early gym battles, its literally just a stat check-ing. you just grind to a specific level then use the best available move. and hope for crits or misses.
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>>35893245
Thats stupid. Keep infinite TMs but try to put all the good moves hidden/hard to get.




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