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Anyone remember when the anime used to be good?
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>>36073805
No
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No
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>>36073805
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>>36073805
Anyone remeber when you used to be happy haha...
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No
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>>36073805
>Anyone remember when the anime used to be good?

OS to DP , The series gone downhill after that
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If you wanted to discuss a good anime season why you posted an XY screenshoot?
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There is no one in the universe that can tell me that this poster doesn't exude maximum hype
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When Brock dumped water on Staryu
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>>36073827
Because XY was probably the best anime season the series has ever had?
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>>36073828
>it's cluttered therefore i'm hyped
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>>36073827
Because it was
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>>36073805
Anime was never good.
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>>36073833
Ash becomes a dumb shounen protagonist with a unique greninja.
Serena is the typical one sided love interest of the protag and no clear goal in her journey until late in the series.
Edgy rival beats the gym leaders in less than a week and then wins the league even if he had the odds against him.

The animation was good but the writing was bad.
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>>36073833
Nope, that would be ether DP or OS.
XY series is one of the worst pokemon series,
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Unironically, since dropping the tired old formula it was spewing for 20 years, it's legit better than it's ever been. Sorry you're too much of a child to see that though.
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>>36073805
No.
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No. The anime was never good.
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>>36073906
It's legitimately the worse its ever been and you are a child yourself for thinking otherwise. Sun and Moon is the worse iteration of the anime since the Decolore Archipelago.
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>>36073805
It sure as fuck wasn't during XY you braindead zoomer.
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>>36073805

Season 1? Yeah.
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Nah. Some of the clanky localizations from the early seasons was kinda funny though, like that joke where Ash wore a cow costume.
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>>36073805
Yes
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>>36074138
What exactly got you interested? The Pokemon School which now makes the journey stationary and almost non-existent? The large cast of companions who have a strong disproportionate spread of screentime? Who also all lack genuine goals besides Lillie and Mallow? Who constantly get teased to catching new Pokemon but end up not doing it besides fatfuck who was literally given a gift Pokemon for lying to his friends and Kiawe who had a genuine capture? How about the constant random happening of events that don't coincide at all with the actual plot or whatever is happening in the show and literally just occur "just because"? Or the absolutely atrocious handling of battles? Or maybe the animation that was being praised early on for it's "expressiveness" but is now almost as stilted, dull, filled with panning and speedlines as Best Wishes? Maybe you are talking about the lack of importance or showcasing of characters and events from the actual games? Where is Hau? Where is Team Skull? Where is Guzma and Plumeria? Gladion? Kahili? Mohn? The list goes fucking on and on.


Fuck you and your shit series, faggot.
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>>36073805
No
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>>36074103
Some of it was legitimately funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJDyRZ0c7yQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd-VYoTCzO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkdiq4CdyNk
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>>36073827
That was advance or johto
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It was never good though
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>>36074138
What should be interesting about SM? The fucking art style? That bad writing from Sol in SM? The rushed AF arc? The forced and unpleasant comedy? These exaggerated slapsticks? The extremely childish and annoying Ash? The bad animated, short and lack of battles?
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>>36073805
No but episode 1 to 950 were okay.
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>>36074207
Holy fuck, i never thought 4kids would ever dare do those types of jokes. It actually made me chuckle a bit.
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>>36073805
Only Movies 20 and 21 were good.
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>>36073805
AG and DP were god tier. The anime has never been good since.
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>>36076271
OS >>> your shitty gens
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>>36073805
no, it was always garbage only loved by yellowfags
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>>36073805
First 26 episodes of the Indigo League. Nothing after that is worth watching. Like all anime episode 26 is the exact point in time where the writers just stop caring.
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>>36073805
Last week?
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>>36076415
>yellowfags
??
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>>36074138
>SM got me interested
The thing is SM manages to catch your attention due to its breath of fresh air, but utterly fails to keep you invested. Eventually you can't help but drop the series due to how uneventful and lacklustre it is.
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>>36073906
it's literally the same formula only they got rid of the "plot"
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>>36076455
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>>36074207
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd-VYoTCzO4
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>>36076455
the only ones that still like the anime are the ones that started on the shitty game made from it
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It was never good, the only reason you thought it was good is because you watched the 4kids version when you were a kid.
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>>36073805
>XY
>good
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>>36076641
OS & XY are my favorites desu
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>>36074103
the random Minnesota Vikings joke from the first movie still makes me giggle because of how out of place it is.
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>>36074138
>SM interesting
Good joke.
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To me, ever since that time when they said Ash was STILL 10 y.o. the anime lost all appeal.
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>>36073805
There's nothing good about XY. I remember when it had diversity though. At least it had that.
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>>36074138
>SM is intresting
>it is not talked about SM
SM is just boring, uninteresting and there is nothing positive about SM ... except nothing. That is why SM is hardly spoken about.
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>>36076718
It's time to remove Ash from Pokemon.
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>>36073828
>implying
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>>36073805
(pic unrelated)
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SM is fucking fantastic.

>>36076810
Great animation and artstyle, comfy SOL.
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>>36076440
That is garbage animation. Magmortar is supposed to be flaming.
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>>36077063
Are you kidding me? Good animation does not make an anime good. The art style is rubbish considering that the characters look ugly. New DBSuper trailer shows that you can make sharp and detailed characters and still do a fluid animation. It is a pity that it is not so with the SM characters. If it's supposed to be SoL then SM is one of the worst sol animes I've ever seen.
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>>36077063
>Great animation and artstyle
OS >
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>>36073906
To be fair, Team Rocket is still somehow relevant to the plot.
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>>36076425
This anon is actually right.
It's also funny to see that these 26 episodes are the ones you often see quoted or referenced in Pokemon discussions. The Viridian forest, A.J, Gisele, The S.S Anne arc, the arc with Sabrina vs the ghost pokemon.

After that, it became a filler fest with 40 episodes to reach the league ,even if there are still some good individual episodes.
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>>36073833
>>36074138
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>>36077063
>>36077108

Diamond & Pearl has yet to be surpassed as the best anime series, with Advanced Generation coming in second.

You can say the Original Series is your favourite, or XY was good, but they aren't the best. SM is definitely no where near as good as those two.
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>>36077063
I've seen enough SoL and can say that Pokemon should never have made SM anime into a sol. No wonder the SM is so uninteresting by the SoL. With SM you could have made the formula a little different than its predecessor where you still had the feeling that SM has something to do with Pokemon.

Pokemon + SoL = does not match Pokemon at all
Pokemon + adventure + battles = this is Pokemon
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>>36077157
Look at this dude.
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>>36073805
Why the fuck does everyone wank on DP, when DP essentially does the same things XY does, but worse?

Ash has the personality of cardboard in DP, his Sinnoh Pokemon don't even get to shine in the league, and had to rely on heavy hitters from AG like Sceptile to do work.

Then there's that super special Chimchar that Paul disowned, only to go turboautist vs Paul's Electivire

Also, there was an 80 episode gap between the 7th and 8th badges, with episodes like the Princess Salvia one giving Dawn a literally free powerhouse in the form of Togekiss.

DP is just average. XYZ, and AG are both better than it.
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>>36073833
>Regional ace turns into Ash
>Ash came in 2nd in the league
>Serena has a confirmed crush on Ash

XY was pretty boring and XYZ is super overrated. No one cared about the series until the league began and that was only because they thought Ash would win. I'm not against the main character getting some special treatment, but Greninja gets a form change that's supposed to be linked to some old ninja shit and that form change is literally just Greninja cosplaying as Ash. It didn't even feel like Greninja and Ash had that strong of a bond compared to him and Charizard, Infernape, Sceptile, etc.

XY looked really pretty and the animation for the battles was great, but it was just a season of Ash being OP but not OP enough to win a league.
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>>36077304
In your opinion.
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Because DP wasn't just Ash being ridiculously strong and Dawn was a more versatile female lead than Serena was. Ash also struggled a lot in Sinnoh and the league was good because it wasn't just his Sinnoh mons. He used at least one DP Pokemon per battle in the league and the battle against Paul was 3 episodes of his Sinnoh mons.

I didn't really mind his personality in DP or XY because he still had his share of silly moments.
The 80 episode gap was probably attributed to the writers thinking they had more time with the series than they did, seeing how the series ended 2 episodes after the league.

Infernape had the Blaze apeshit stuff, but it was better than the Ash-Greninja nonsense. Infernape learning how to utilize Blaze properly was also done a lot better than Greninja just suddenly becoming really OP.
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>>36077157
>Pokemon + adventure + battles = this is Pokemon

If the entire SM series was the Ula'ula arc, it'd be an exciting but also comfy series. It captured the lax attitude of Alola perfectly along with battles.
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>>36077273
>essentially does the same things XY does
You mean actually develop a plot with consistent characters and arcs, development and build up for Pokémon and events, and an actual coherent and interesting take on the anime that fans of the games would enjoy?

Also I absolutely hate it when people talk about the episode gap between the 7th and 8th gym as if they actually remember what those episodes consisted of. Here’s a list of everything that happened:

>Brandon’s Return
>Paul VS Brandon
>Ash Vs Paul Full Battle
>Looker’s debut
>Regigigas VS Hunter J
>Twinleaf Festival
>Dawn VS Her Mom
>Professor Oak returns
>Ash VS Palmer
>Team Galactic plot
>Team Galactic finale
>Lyra’s debut
>The Johto Festival
>Dawn gets Cyndaquil
>Ash gets Gible
>James’ childhood flashback
>Dawn’s Contests
>Dawn gets Togekiss
>Monferno evolves to Infernape
>Grotle evolves into Torterra
>Ash VS Flint
>Dawn’s Grand Festival
>Ash VS Bertha
>A Pokémon Ranger Special
>Shaymin and Marley

And that’s just from memory. Some other shit happened too like Gliscor being released but you get the gist of what I’m saying. That 80 episode gap was the writer’s way of tying up almost every single plot point they had going since DP started. And it was great.
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>>36077273
They like to give XY shit. The thing is, everyone finds a superficial reason that sounds like an argument and doesn't really explain anything about it.

For instance: Serena has no goal until the middle of the series. That seems bad, but it isn't, Serena has a conflict exactly because she doesn't have a goal and doesn't know what to do with herself and there are great episodes touching upon this problem of hers. Its the very reason why her haircut was cathartic. Yet people completely dismiss it out of convenience.
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>>36077304
>No one cared about the series until the league

That’s blatantly wrong. The whole anime discussion threads literally started because of XY’s popularity and promise. XY was the reason most people got back into the anime because it was good. The battles, the animation, the shipping, the cool as hell Ash, the League hype was just the topping on the cake and it’s also what ruined XY’s reception.
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>>36077375
>XY was the reason most people got back into the anime because it was good.
Fug, I actually came back to this cancerous fandom just for XY.. and it was worth it.
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>>36077375
Maybe not here, but from my experience, XY was pretty much mostly ignored until the League or around Ash-Greninja.
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>>36077365
Yeah, a lot happened in that gap. It wasn't all just boring filler. I still wish we got to see Ash challenged the Sinnoh Battle Frontier or see them have a Stark Mountain arc.
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>>36077304
>No one cared about the series until the league began and that was only because they thought Ash would win.

They thought that and reacted the way they did for a reason. It wasn't just because of a click-bait title, but because they showed a lot of love to Ash that no other season seemed to care about, the fact that they threw that love out of the window just to continue with a worthless status quo felt like a kick in the balls to many.
It was like if Renew Your Vows became canon in the main Marvel universe just so Spider-Man can undo his family again a few issues later.

In fact, I dare say that the anime community is decaying because of that. Try looking for Youtube videos about the SM anime and you'll see none have as many views as everything XY.
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>>36077041
THIS
I hate the word HYPE just because xyfags and serenafags use it for every shit.
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>>36077460
You're just obsessed with xyfags.
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XY was just bait and switch. It wasn't much better it just looked better, like a chocolate you unwrap and it smells good, so you bite into it to find its actually a turd. The end invalidates the journey. XY is even worse in some respects because its dishonest. If they give us a promising season again it won't matter, nobody will never trust them again and with good reason.
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>>36073805

XY = OS > DP > AG > SM > BW
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>>36077470
It was a bait and switch in the end because of the League but in reality the series as a whole was pretty good and it gave a reason to be reasonably excited for the anime every week. And it had a lot of plot and cool characters to look forward to because they all appeared often. Even the filler was pretty good.
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>>36076440
The anime needs to die. Right now.
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>>36078044
Says the retarded SMfag that finds any of that shit remotely “interesting”
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>>36077728
Why?

>>36078101
It's SOL and it's for kids. Stop being triggered people like stuff you don't, you fucking stupid snowflake.
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>>36078044
Are you really condescending to people about things they shouldn't be doing as adults on the Pokemon board?
Why are you even here?
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>>36077106
>>36077108
>The art style is rubbish considering that the characters look ugly.
Nah, they look great. Off-model some of the time ≠ ugly.

Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBH3IYRjaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bp1f88_LWg

>>36077157
SoL still includes battles. It's just not ALL about them, which is fine.
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No.
It was never good. Only Team Rocket was good (until the writers made them do the same thing over and over more than twenty times) and the Porygon episode was good, that's all people remember about it other than autistic Pokefags
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>>36078270
>Stop being triggered people like stuff you don't,
Did you even read who that response was for. The anon was just defending themselves from a SM fanboy.

>>36078280
Oh sure, the guy sure loves "muh animation" but try get him to defend other aspects of the series or to understand why people dislike it so much and he won't be able to say jack shit.
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>>36078310
w... what
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where do i watch pokenchi
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>>36077491
OS > DP > AG >S/M > XY > BW
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>>36077440
>because they showed a lot of love to Ash that no other season seemed to care about

A lot of love to Ash ? Do you even Watched XYZ ? Ash never gotten any love, the anime just treat him like a experienced trainer like DP/AG/SM and that was it. Ash receive no love from XY series, instead he was treated like a crap who wasn't allow beat anybody stronger then gym leader outside Shota , keep Pseudo legendary pokemon, receive mega evolution and forced to release Greninja because somebody else messed up.
The one that receive all the love was Alain, anybody can see that except Amourshippers. Specially if they compare how Ash and Alain was treated. The entire XYZ was an Alain glorification series.
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>>36078364
>Do you even Watched XYZ ?
Do you even English?
Français, ouais?
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>>36077375
>the shipping, the cool as hell Ash,
XYfags everyone
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I genuinely don't understand why this fandom loathe Serena

>didn't have a goal untill middle of the series
Its been 80+ episodes in SM and lillie still hasn't decided what she wants to do. Yet somehow, nobody bats an eye?

>Had a crush on ash
Dozens of girls crushed on Ash prior to Serena.

>bland and generic character
Misty, may and dawn were generic as fuck too. Misty is you're typical Tsundere, may is an airhead and dawn is the genki girl. All of these tropes can be considered as clichè.

>no chemistry with ash
Their entire chemistry was about supporting each other. Serena was ash's lucky charm during the viola, korrina and Wulfric gym battles. While ash was her moral support during tripokalon.
And yet, people will still find reason to shit on her.
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>>36078364
Alain may have been a glorified plot device, but Ash still received a lot more love than most characters received in the series despite still being subject to flaws, as you can see through every important character putting one focus or another into him. Plus, Greninja got released after the League when everyone in OLM screwed up everyone's perception on the series.
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>>36077655
>the series as a whole was pretty good and it gave a reason to be reasonably excited for the anime every week
No it wasn't ! It wasn't even as good as Youkai Watch.
XY & XYZ series was bad as a whole from the start considering the boring group chemistry, bland characters , zero competition, humorless filler, forced shipping, Alain pandering , release of Ash's pokemon etc etc.
Ash winning the Kalos league was the only thing that could have redeem the series but Yajima screwed that because he didn't wanted his Alain to lose.
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>>36078396
ugly
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>>36078399
>Ash still received a lot more love than most characters received in the series despite still being subject to flaws,

Oh please, Ash receive much better treatment in Orange league then XY series. Furthermore, Shota and Serena receive more love than Ash. Considering how Shota easily reached the Semi-final of the league in his FIRST TRY while getting to keep his mega Sceptile and Salamance. Even deserving rivals like Paul and Gary never receive that level of love. While Yajima pretty much tried to shoved Ash to Serena despite there are 5 other girl much better suited to be Ash's love interest.

>Greninja got released after the League when everyone in OLM screwed up everyone's perception on the series

Everybody's perception of XY series was bad from the start, even Ash-Greninja received criticism since its screwed Ash's chance for mega evolution for good and it wasn't even worth it. Now Ash sidekicks can mega evolve pokemon in any gen except Ash because Yajima screwed his chance for a Greninja that he wasn't even allowed to keep.
Its pretty obvious that Yajima was completely biased toward Ash considering how badly he treated him in the XY series.
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>>36078422
>Considering how Shota easily reached the Semi-final of the league in his FIRST TRY
That means nothing. Dawn reached the finals of a Grand Festival in her first try too and nobody whines about that.

>Even deserving rivals like Paul and Gary never receive that level of love.
Paul was a cold strategist, and he still shares the longest fight in the anime with Ash. And Gary was just a first rival for many, there weren't that many standards back then.

>While Yajima pretty much tried to shoved Ash to Serena despite there are 5 other girl much better suited to be Ash's love interest.
There's only one girl I like as Ash's love interest besides Serena and that's Anabel. That character lasted shit in AG and she likely ain't getting another chance in SM.

>Everybody's perception of XY series was bad from the start,
Nope, it clearly had a better perception before. Serena was always polarizing because of her crush on Ash, but other than that, the series started with a decent perception at the very least.

>even Ash-Greninja received criticism since its screwed Ash's chance for mega evolution for good and it wasn't even worth it.
Maybe so, but people still loved it. But sure, I can agree it wasn't worth it when he got released by the end of the series.
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>>36078447
>replying to Famon
Don't
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>>36076834
she is not allowed to leave
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>>36073805
Why’s his hand so fucking big?
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>>36078447
>That means nothing. Dawn reached the finals of a Grand Festival in her first try too and nobody whines about that.

Dawn actually had proper development unlike Shota and her opponent was a rookie too. Plus, Luck plays a huge role in contest since sometime time run out before the trainer could deliver a good blow.

>Paul was a cold strategist, and he still shares the longest fight in the anime with Ash

Paul is a far better trainer and rival than Shota ever was, He pretty much revolutionize pokemon battle in the series.

>Gary was just a first rival for many,

And he was still far better than Shota.

>There's only one girl I like as Ash's love interest besides Serena and that's Anabel

Anabel is fine but Serena sucks, specially compare to other girls that has better personality and chemistry with Ash than her. Not to mention, girls that make better story as Ash's love interest while keeping it in Kids Anime Standard.

>it clearly had a better perception before

Nope, the series only got praise for its animation but it started to get bad after Serena joined the group.

>Maybe so, but people still loved it

People loved Greninja as character, not Ash-Greninja.
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>>36078531
He's a big guy
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>>36078539
shut up
and stop reddit spacing
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>>36078539
>Anabel is fine but Serena sucks, specially compare to other girls that has better personality and chemistry with Ash than her
So you literally hate the shy/meek childhood love interest trope? Did you throw a tantrum when Hinata won the narutobowl?

>girls that make better story as Ash's love interest while keeping it in Kids Anime Standard
>better love story
Do you even hear yourself? Pokemon ain't Shoujo/Teen Romcom. Its made for literal toddlers. The furthest you're gonna get is a girl crushing on ash and that's it. Don't expect ash to reciprocate because a dense/hot-blooded protagonist is the norm these days. He ain't gonna fall for nobody.
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XY and DP were the better ones.

Dawn was a great co-lead, Paul still remains the best rival and their last battle is still the best one in the series. If anything its fillers are worse/more forgettable than XY's, the non-Paul battles are not as good as XY's and the main villain arc was much much worse than XY's. XY also has a better traveling group partly because Brock is a dead weight in DP.
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>>36078588
>replying to Famon
Stop
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Gorilla
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>>36078588
>Did you throw a tantrum when Hinata won the narutobowl?
He did, he keeps spamming textwalls where he compares Serena to Hinata and screeches about how much better Sakura was.

But stop replying to him, he's been posting this same crap for over a year now.
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>>36073805
Sadly yes. DP was amazing and it definitively peaked with XY. It's all downhill from now
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>>36077273
>Why the fuck does everyone wank on DP, when DP essentially does the same things XY does, but worse?
Because DP and XY are both good and DP was absolutely treated as being on par with XY back when XY was airing.
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>>36078396
>I genuinely don't understand why this fandom loathe Serena
It doesn't, Serena is one of the most popular girls the series has ever had.
For the most part it's just angry Pokeshippers that are mad the anime paired Ash with someone that's not Misty.

>Its been 80+ episodes in SM and lillie still hasn't decided what she wants to do. Yet somehow, nobody bats an eye?
People are absolutely treating that as an issue, and Lillie is considered a pretty badly handled character. But SM as a whole is such a mess it's not one of the most prominent problems.
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>>36078588
>So you literally hate the shy/meek childhood love interest trope?

I hate bland boring love interest that are shoved into the protagonist specially when the series has other better choice. Its one of the reason why I hate Chichi from Dragonball.

>Did you throw a tantrum when Hinata won the narutobowl?

Nope, Naruto series never had any decent girl to ship with Naruto. I am just glad that he got the girl with better body (Off course Hanabi is prettier)
I just get angry when people actually tries to claim Naruhina as the ideal anime couple while bashing actual couples that has better writing.

>Do you even hear yourself? Pokemon ain't Shoujo/Teen Romcom

That doesn't meet the Pokemon should shove any girl to Ash. Specially when Kids anime like Doreamon and Inazuma Eleven has better love story.

>The furthest you're gonna get is a girl crushing on ash and that's it

That does not make it canon, or else Gao would have been married Suzuha instead of Paruko. (future card buddyfight)
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>>36078691
>how much better Sakura was.

Actually, I claimed Serena to be just as bad as Sakura. Both of them has much more similarity than Hinata.
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>>36078725
>Serena is one of the most popular girls the series has ever had.

No she is not ! She is nowhere near as popular as Cynthia, May or Dawn. Even Lana is much better than Serena.
All of her popularity only comes from Shippers while General fans does not like her due to her lack of personality.
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>>36078745
So you're basically a whiny shiptard that throws giant autistic tantrums whenever a show's canon pairing differs from your headcanon ship? Got it.
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>>36078759
>a show's canon pairing differs from your headcanon ship?

Canon paining does not make them good pairing. Many series forces the protagonist to reject the better girl for the worst girl. Example : Oreimo.
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>>36078764
Sounds like a yes to me.
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>>36078759
Imagine actually thinking this Anime will end on a romantic bullshit. Shiptards are truly delusional nowadays.
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>>36078770
Seriously you are defending Oreimo ? You actually defending Oreimo ? You are actually defending a retard protagonist who dump a good girlfriend like Kuroneko so he could end up with his sister! Not step sister, his blood related actual sister.
No wonder you are also trying to defend XY and XYZ series.
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>>36078725
>People are absolutely treating that as an issue, and Lillie is considered a pretty badly handled character
Really? I never thought anti-lilliefags existed. Even Bulbagarden and serebii are sucking lillie's futa cock.

>But SM as a whole is such a mess it's not one of the most prominent problems
I still can't get over that atrocious art-style. I genuinely wanna enjoy the anime, but ash's disgusting face makes me wanna puke. Why couldn't they just carry over his XY personality?
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>>36078745
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>>36078783
Famon, for once just stop with your obsessing with shippings.
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Japanese polls confirmed best series are OS, AG DP and XY.

Sorry guys. You're league loss upset doesn't make the series bad, you likely were more invested in the dub.

The japanese market still respect XY as one of the best series.
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I miss random battle again trainer
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>>36078806
>they didn't root for best boy
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>>36078812
*against
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>>36078806
>polls
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>>36078806
>Japanese polls confirmed best series are OS, AG DP and XY.

Japanese poll also confirmed a guy as the best anime girl of 2017.

>The japanese market still respect XY as one of the best series

Not really considering how Youkai Watch dominate the Japanese market. That's why OLM decided to make S/M series more like Youkai Watch.
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>>36078802
>your obsessing with shippings.

I am not obsess with shipping, I just don't want the anime to force Serena on Ash.
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>>36078816
>they didn't root for best boy
I did root for him during the mega evolution specials, but his motivation for entering the league were so fucking forced and lacklustre. I mean, this asshat didn't even give a fuck about the league untill ash mentioned it. He participated for the sole purpose of battling ash. How could they fuck up his character so badly?
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>>36078831
You're too late. She'll soon own that Ash's D.

>>36078828
Not him, but are we seriously going to debate about Pokémon trying to compete against Youkai Watch?
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>>36078837
>How could they fuck up his character so badly?

Because Yajima.
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>>36078837
They did it to make sure Ash continues his losing streak. Pokémon still needs Ash.
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>>36078839
>You're too late. She'll soon own that Ash's D.

Just like Ichigo suppose to own that Hiro!

>we seriously going to debate about Pokémon trying to compete against Youkai Watch?

Just look at S/M series and compare it with the original Youkai watch. You will see the similarity.
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>>36077355
Ula'ula also made me feel that I was watching Pokemon, considering that Acerola and Nanu are the only characters who are not ruined by slapsticks.
>>36078280
I listened to his videos but I do not share his opinion about the art style. The video is just his opinion on this art style and I also do not like this art style which is why I do not share the same opinion as the Canipa. That's why I think the art style is also bad because the characters look like shit. You pretend that his words are facts, but it's just his opinion. I can understand why he likes it but he also understand why others do not like it.

Most of the battles are badly animated or too short that you can hardly call them battles. Battles should continue to be a major issue in Pokemon, but SM is more of the opposite. They do not even bother to make the battles interesting in general.
(I do not mean Kiawe vs Brock / Ash vs Misty)
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>>36078812
>random battles with characters you do not care(Cotd) to fill the episodes
>most boring TRio of all series appearing in almost every episode
always doing the same thing
Really, XY was perfect.
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>>36078846
>Pokémon still needs Ash.

No its doesn't ! Do you honestly think if Ash was replaced after Jotho series than the entire Pokemon franchise would have fall ? That no kid will never buy pokemon toys and games only because Ash is no longer in the anime.

Also, there is no reason for Ash to lose any league since winning them doesn't make him a pokemon master.
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>>36078850
>>36078857
Famon, learn to post.
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>>36078856
>Really, XY was perfect.

If XY was perfect than BW series was a masterpiece.
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>>36078799
Lillie isn't disliked as much as she's considered horrendously boring, and literally nobody thinks the way she's been "handled" since the Aether arc ended is anything but a disaster. She should've never been a main character.
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>>36077157
AND THE FUCKING OS???
OS was more focused on humor and adventures than battles.
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>>36078846
If they didn't want him to win, why cocktease us until the end? Even the fucking episode was titled "kalos league victory". They even released a greninja montage video with the orange shuriken bullshit. Literally what was all that for?
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>>36078869
>Lillie isn't disliked as much as she's considered horrendously boring

Exactly what Serena was in the XY series.
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>>36078872
>not sol
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>>36078894
Kids and money, Anon.
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>>36078894
>Even the fucking episode was titled "kalos league victory"
Because Yajima and our perspective was different.
In our perspective, Ash was the main protagonist therefore the "Kalos league victory" was pointing toward Ash.
In Yajima's perspective, Alain was the main protagonist and Ash was just his lackey, Thats why he put " Kalos League victory" in the title to signify his Alain winning the Kalos league.
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>>36078869
>She should've never been a main character.
I don't think she is. Its just a shitty meme forced by those obnoxious Lilliefags. Lana, mallow and lillie share the role of a "main girl" this season.
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>>36078913
However Lana overshadow Lillie and Mallow at every aspect except appearance.
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>>36078905
You can't make this shit up. They were never so desperate about the league. Not even Sinnoh was such a clickbait. Why did they try so hard to catch our attention during XY?
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>>36078938
>not advertising an event that many people only care about in the Ashnime outside of gym battles and rivals
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Remember when you thought ash could win a league?
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>>36078953
Most of that hope died with Kalos league, XYZ truly ruined this show for good.
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>>36078959
Well it did bring this anon back for one more season so it accomplished something
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>>36078959
>caring this much about a league
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>>36078982
League is the only thing that matters in this series.
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>>36078992
Pretty much. There's no real reason to care about the stupid grinding i mean uh bonding/battles ash has.
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>>36078992
Idiots like you are precisely the problem with the fandom and the series' reputation.
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>>36079010
The opposite, fans like us keeps this alive.
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>>36079010
You realize the only thing people see this series as now is just pokemon go?
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>>36079010
>thinking nips care about ashnime fans in the US
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>>36079025
> They turned Pokemon go into a main game.
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>>36078992
What? Why?
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>>36078913
No, I meant part of the main group. She should've been a recurring character like Gladio is.
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>>36074081
Unironically this, especially S01E01
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>>36078953
No, because that league was rushed
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>>36078818
I miss sideburn
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>>36079002
That's why S/M series was doomed to fail from the moment when Game-freak announced Alola as a tropical region with no gyms and league.
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>>36079031
Because this entire series is about Ash's journey to become the best pokemon trainer and winning the league is just the first step.
Imagine Original Beyblade series where Tyson can never win the National for year and years and years.
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>>36073826
This
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>>36079031
Because it’s literally what they hype up from beginning to end. It’s supposed to be the finale of Ash’s battling debut in each region. A culmination of all those skills and techniques he and his Pokémon have garnered since they started.
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Why don't they just drop ash's goal at this point? After the kalos league fiasco, Everybody and their grandma knows that ash ain't never winning a league. So why keep promoting this false propaganda? At least SM doesn't pretend to be something its not.
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>>36077108
OS what? You need stock animations to finish the post?
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I'm starting to think most of you fuckers don't watch any other anime. XY is a generic as hell shonen while SM is at least a fun episodic kids show. The point of watching anime is to have fun. Why are all of you torturing yourselves with something you don't even like?
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>>36079551
>Why don't they just drop ash's goal at this point?

Because then there will no point of watching the series. Pokemon is not some drama show about people's life, its a simple story about Ash journey to achieve his goal.
Fans will only stop obsessing over League when Ash wins a real league tournament (Not a fake name only league like Orange League)
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>>36079579
>while SM is at least a fun episodic kids show

Except Pokemon never suppose to be a gag show like Doreamon. Its a more battle related kids show like Beyblade, Bakugun and Yugioh.
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>>36073805
Yeah, me neither
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>>36079581
>Because then there will no point of watching the series.

Or you can make a new goal that doesn't write yourself into a corner. People would care less about the league if a good chunk of episodes outside of character arcs and captures/evos weren't gym crawls.
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>>36079583
Why not tho, it is obviously a reboot for kids in Japan. That complaint boils down to not liking it bc it is different. I just don't understand why people can't appreciate it for its positive elements. There are like 500 episodes of Ash doing the same repetitive battles if you want that.
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>>36078906
Yeah, continue blaming Yajima even though he took Ash farther than anyone else before. Continue that and get sad and pissed off later two or three generations from now, when TV Tokyo and The Pokémon Company decide that Ash will get to the finals again only to lose to whomever. Great job finding out the "villain".
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>>36073826
And the VA change destroyed the dub so you gotta watch the subs
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>>36079597
Don't you have some Let's Go threads to tell people they're not allowed to dislike things in?
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>>36079754
I have no problem with disliking things. Extensive hatred of a children's cartoon is a different issue.
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>>36079679
>Yajima even though he took Ash farther than anyone else before

Oh please, League ranking mean nothing when you have short and rushed league like Kalos. Even Sinnoh league ended with establishing Ash as the second strongest trainer in the league.
Yajima didn't do any favor by making Ash a runner-up . He is the worst considering how bluntly he favored Alain while punishing Ash for the mistake Alain made in the series. Obviously TV Tokyo didn't forced him to do that.
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>all the braindead zoomers caring about the "league"
>2018
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>>36079933
It's literally one guy. His broken English is so recognizable he might as well be tripfagging.
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>>36079851
Oh, sorry. Of course, of course. Ash was punished by Alain's mistake. How so again? Can you explain it without having a seizure?
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>>36080081
Don't bother. He'll just use the whole "Ash-Greninja being release" and "being crucified" as a reason why.
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>>36080081
Stop trying to get anything sensible out of him. At this point he's basically just spamming pasta.
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>>36080111
>>36080104
You guys are right.
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>>36080081
>Ash was punished by Alain's mistake
Alain was the one who handed Z2 to Team Flare, collected mega evolution energy for them, helped them to get the megalith, hurt Manon and got Ash kidnapped.
But its Ash that lost the league for him, got kidnapped, got tortured and had to release his best pokemon to clear the mess Alain made.
And what consequence Alain suffered ? NOTHING, instead Yajima made sure to end the series in a way that confirms that Alain will get new mega stone and keystone even though Ash will never get a keystone.
Also don't try to use thing like " Alain was doing everything for Manon" considering he was one that hurt her the most. Its like trying to justify Anakin Skywalker who screwed up the Jedi order to protect Padme even though he was the one that chocked her to death.
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>>36077273
>his Sinnoh Pokemon don't even get to shine in the league, and had to rely on heavy hitters from AG like Sceptile to do work
Yes they did, they had the rival battle with Paul plus Gible was the key to Ash's victory against Conway. Ash mixing his current team with his older Pokémon are why Johto and Sinnoh are the BEST leagues.
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>>36077273
>Why the fuck does everyone wank on DP, when DP essentially does the same things XY does, but worse?

Its the opposite since XY essentially did the same thing as DP, but worst!
Imagine DP series ended with Paul defeating Ash and winning the whole Sinnoh league, that is how XY series ended.
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Why don't the league victors even really seem to give a fuck that they win or show an interest in challenging the Champion League?

>Tobias wins tournament but next we see Cynthia she's challenging Flint for the title. what the fuck happened to Tobias?
>Virigl wins tournament and goes to fuck off doing rescue missions
>Alain wins tournament and fucks off with Malon and Steve to go spelunking

It's almost like the league victor doesn't mean shit.
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How did a Kodomo anime attract so many Shonenfags?
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>>36080687
Who told you that Trobias haven't challenge Cynthia and lost to her ? Just because he has legendary does not guaranty that he can beat Cynthia.
Alain can challenge Kalos champion league at any time after he find new Mega ring and Mega stone.
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>>36080694
Because XY wasn't a Shonen,
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>>36080694
Because it got """"serious"""" during XY after the shitshow that was BW.
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>>36080735
Nope, main XY anime mainly focus on humorless slice of life fillers.
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Brock made pokemon.
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Good, no. Watchable, yes.
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>>36081231
This.
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>>36081231
No.
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>>36080687
Well Alain literally went to jail and got stripped of his Mega Ring, Mega Stone, and his League trophy
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>>36073805
The anime just got worse and worse as it went on
Kanto was interesting because it showed what a world with Pokemon would really be like
Orange Islands was good because it featured a region not in the games and the OST was comfy as fuck
Johto was okay
Hoenn was boring
Sinnoh in general was horrible and for a show made of filler there was way too much between Ash getting badges and like 90% of it wasn't interesting
I dropped the anime after that
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>>36076425
This nigga knows whats up. Anyone that thinks s1 was better than the others doesn't know the real good stuff is only at the start. At first he is actually catching shit and shows attraction to girls. By the middle he is never trying to catch Pokemon proactively and the entire tone of the show changes.

Cerulean Gym
>"I prefer to earn my badges"
Celadon
>"you put out a fire take a gym badge" "ok"

>ep1
"all pokemon in the world will be mine"
>post celadon
"what a rare pokemon lets help with its problems before we continue the journey"

What the fuck happened?
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>>36078851
It's not about the art style, it's about the animation. You missed the point completely.

>Battles should continue to be a major issue in Pokemon
Wrong

>Kiawe
Fuck off dubtitler.
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>>36079579
This.

>>36079583
Says who, faggot? Fuck off ESL retard.
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>>36082433
>>Battles should continue to be a major issue in Pokemon
>Wrong
Well I think I've had about enough of this dumbfag
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>>36082450
Battles are still a part of it. It doesn't have to be the generic shonen shit you only watch.
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>>36073805
No. I remember ash being a fucking n00b.

He fell asleep on THE day he was supposed to get his first pokemon and missed out on getting a cool starter. Then he got repeatedly cucked by the ~lvl3 pikachu Oak got him. I remember him struggling with even the most basic trainer shit like catching low lvl pokemons on route 1. And of course he somehow kepting losing his way and going on millions of pointless detours between towns.

It was always shit.
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The original series Kanto through Johto was good, but only because the show's repetitiveness hadn't reached the point were it was no longer appealing and just annoying.

With some aspects just being rage inducing such as Ash releasing Greninja, or how he isn't allowed to catch legendary Pokemon.

Chances are he will ahve to release Poipole because Ash isn't allowed to own Pokemon as powerful as Naganadel, or really any Pokemon as powerful as legendaries at least not permanently.
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The biggest mistake in Kalos was forcing the Ash/Serena thing so much. It was entirely too hard to inside the anime and was even pushed frequently outside the anime in magazine and shit.
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>>36082741
It wasn't hard, they're just shit writers. Ash barely interacted with Serena, which is what made it feel forced. He had better chemistry with every other girl.
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>>36082861
the "sadness" behind Goodra's and Greninja's releases also felt force
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>>36082861
Ash and Serena interacted fine, her crush on him didn't hamper anything nor did it feel forced.

That being said, Ash/Dawn was the best interaction wise and after that Ash/Misty was great up until the end of Orange Islands. After that Ash/Serena is third. Ash and May was only good until Drew showed up and Ash/Iris was shit.
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>>36082433
My point was not the animation but the art style. Good animation does not make the art style any better as the art style is about drawing the characters. Although they shine more clearly in the art style but that does not change the appearance that looks awful. If you do not bother with good animation then you do not need to expect the characters to be detailed and sharp with liquid animation. The Dragon Ball movie has done quite well to make Goku sharp and detailed despite the fluid animation. That's where they did a good job but what Pokemon did with the SM characters is more of an impudence than a good job. Therefore, Canipa has not managed to change my mind about the art style, so I stick to the opinion that the art style is horrible because Dragon Ball proved that the art style does not have to make the characters ugly. As you can see that you can make the SM characters sharp and detailed despite the liquid animation.
>>36082477
Still? I'm sorry but the battles in SM seem to be totally in the background considering that they do not even bother to make the battles look good in general. I could still accept that battles would be a part of SM if you make the effort to make the battles interesting or not ruined by slapsticks / comedy. This can hardly be considered as a part of SM as the battles are generally quite stiff rather than liquid as they tend to use only liquid animation outside the battles but otherwise they barely use it on battles and this way you notice how much the battles in SM are part of Pokemon is considered. So if you're already using fluid animation then you should generally do this with battles, but that's not how you can see it as part of SM.
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>>36078850
>Just look at S/M series and compare it with the original Youkai watch. You will see the similarity.
Really? Honestly SM is just Doraemon and the clefairy manga's lovechild. We have a hard resetted Ash with aspergers, ADHD and more mentally challenged, an autistic sheltered hikikomori with no direction in her life, an ADHD waitress with bullying tendencies, a resentful ginger yajirobe, a split personality fisher girl and a nigga with self control issues. Yet the other 5 seem more collected and have more talent than our autistic MC.
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>>36078783
Sounds like you need professional help, retard.
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>>36082433
>dubtitler

What?

That’s his official English name you fucking sperg
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>>36078396
everyone just see what they want to see
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>>36082957
I'm not even sure if we're watching the same show
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Yes, wait, i mean, no
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>>36083010
>someone was autistic enough to make this
Everyone knows she developed, she just did it in the most boring and generic way possible, featuring the same boring and generic girl goal they did twice already. Only even more boring without battles.
There's a difference between developed and compelling. That goes double for her "relationship" with Ash.
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>>36083010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_W1KXy-nE&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hy3kGBVMZg&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjEqdHJxUw&t=3s
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>>36073828
ash greninga is the opposite of hype. are you fucking 12?
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>>36083010
Oh please, anybody can made a tumblr blog with pic explaining why Iris is the best character of pokemon anime. But that will not prove her to be popular.
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>>36082957
Don't insult Doreamon specially if you never watched it! Doreamon had far better school, humor, story and character than S/M series.
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>>36076625
In fairness, the 4Kids dub was at least better than the TPCi dub, even if the Anime is bad in any Language.
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>>36084100
No way. Iris never grew.
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Serenafags are Shipperfags. That's pathetic.
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>>36085040
Nether did Serena
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>>36082900
>comparing a movie to a long running series
Ok retard
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>>36076440
Why is he so precious?
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>>36073805
Yea, when I was like 10.
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The Pokemon Sun.and Moon anime is the best animated, well written and most interesting Pokemon anime we've ever gotten.

Most of you don't even realize how lucky we are to have gotten somethimg as amazing as this latest series.
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>>36086446
>The Pokemon Sun.and Moon anime is the best animated, well written and most interesting Pokemon anime we've ever gotten.

No it isn't, its just as bad as XY and BW series.
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>>36086453
How?
What are you basing that on?
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>>36086527
Worst artstyle,
Poorly handled school setting
Poorly animated battle
Zero Competition
Ignoring the game trial
Lack of good battle
Lack of hype
Too many boring slice of life filler
Too much memeface
Poor humor
Poorly handle ultra beast
Poorly handled Aether saga
Too many boring main characters except Lana.
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>>36086602
>Worst artstyle
Why? Because it looks colourful and fun?
>Poorly handled school setting
How is it poorly handled? It's not even the main focus of the series
>poorly animated battles
Pokemon Sun and Moon is the best animated pokemon anime to date. Yes there are moments that dont look to hot. But there are also A LOT of moments that are animated incredibly well.
Aka. A pokemon anime, but now we have good animation here and there.
>Zero competition
Good job. It only took you 80 episodes to figure out that that is not the focus of this series
>ignoring the game trial
No pokemon anime is like the games stop being a faggot
>lack of good battles and lack of hype
We're clearly not watching the same anime, there's plenty of fucking good battles and hype
>Slice of life filler
Slice of life =/= filler. You cant just label something filler just because yiu dont like it. Sun and Moon has 0 filler. It's all part of the show.
>too much memeface
Welcome to anime, you're 50 years late
>poor humor
Sun and Moon is the funniest Pokemon anime yet. The comedy is great.
>Poorly handled ultra beasts and Aether Saga.
Please go into further detail
>too many boring characters.
Pokemon Sun and Moon has one of the best cast of characters compared to all the previous animes. And even compared to a lot of other animes in general.

I honestly think you're a little kid. You act like one
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>>36086446
Well written? How can anyone say that after the Aether Arc fiasco? It has a few well written moments, but those are the minority, not the norm. But it doesn't even compare to OS, DP or XY/XYZ.
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>>36073809
>>36073813
>>36073822
This. Even when I was a kid I thought it was fucking shit. I just watched it incase something cool actually happened.
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>>36086723
>Because it looks colourful and fun?

Even OS was more colorful than S/M, not to mention fun.

>It's not even the main focus of the series

Yes it is , Ash's entire reason for staying in Alola is that school

>Pokemon Sun and Moon is the best animated pokemon anime to date

No its not , the series is only known for animating memeface.
Most battle are poorly handled considering stiff motions and lack of impact . S/M series has the most poorly animated battles.

>Good job. It only took you 80 episodes to figure out that that is not the focus of this series

The entire premise of pokemon franchise is catching super powered animal and use them for battle, competition is the main focus of all pokemon series.

>No pokemon anime is like the games stop being a faggot

Except other pokemon series didn't screwed the gym leaders.

>We're clearly not watching the same anime

I am wondering the same thing about you.

>there's plenty of fucking good battles and hype

No there isn't , most battle has poor animation.

>Sun and Moon has 0 filler. It's all part of the show.

The entire S/M series is a filler

>Welcome to anime, you're 50 years late

Oh please, OS and AG series was funnier than S/M and they didn't need that many memeface.

>Sun and Moon is the funniest Pokemon anime yet

No, that title belong to OS series.

>Please go into further detail

I advise you to do the same thing.


>Pokemon Sun and Moon has one of the best cast of characters compared to all the previous animes.

No its doesn't since OS, AG and DP series has best character compare to S/M. The only cast character that is actually interesting is Lana.

>I honestly think you're a little kid. You act like one

A little kids calling others a kid.
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>>36087229
>I don't like it so it's officially shit and filler
I want underages to get out
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>>36087250
> Whoever does not agree with me are underage.
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>>36087285
>missing the point
Truly an underage
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>>36086723
The Team Flare arc had better pacing because they use some of the filler episodes as a stepping stone towards it bigger things that was going to happen. There were more emotional moments with Bonnie and Squisy, a big action scenes with Ash and Alain,Clemont trying to get his gym back as well as making a big sacrifice of Clemontbot, also Team Rocket had a propose of being there. This arc doesn't really has that instead they felt more filler then anything else. Faba only crime is kidnapping Lillie so she can lose her memories, taking Silvally from Gladion and summoning Nihilego that cause the whole kidnapping thing. He should have more of a punishment or a scolding of does those thing. Also, the stupidest thing Faba did was to focus on getting rid of Lillie's memories, when he should've done that to Gladion. Pikachu's Z-move was a clear cop out and I don't understand why they didn't have Solgaleo do more. It's a freakin' Legendary and all it was used for was a method of transportation and a shield. Hardly a legendary use of it. Solgaleo didn't even do anything other than have people ride him. Furthermore, Lillie's whole fear problem, and it going away seems no way related to Lusamine's kidnapping into Ultra Space. It's like they're two separate issues. She could have been afraid of all Pokémon other than Snowy and Pikachu, and nothing much would've changed in Ultra Space, other than maybe Clefable, which in itself, was a scene that didn't make much sense. Compared to the games, Lillie's whole thing was that she was a weak and submissive little girl who was bossed around and insulted by her mother. After the incident at AF, where her mother disowned her and flat out said she wanted to live with Nihilego than her own daughter, Lillie had enough. She found some courage (Z powered form), and wanted to find her mother, and give her a piece of her mind as well as rescue her.
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>>36086723
In the anime, I'm not sure what they were trying to go for. Coming to Lusamine herself, the whole idea of her acting like a child because she finally found her toy was just bad imo (Mother Beast). She was obsessed with the Beast in the game, yet, in the anime, she was made into this lovable caring mother, with just one tiny mention from Gladion about her dream of meeting Nihilego, and somehow it became the main focus? And it's not like she wanted to get grabbed by Nihilego, since she was mainly protecting her kids, yet, it played out as though she was always obsessed with Nihilego? And they still made her say "I hate you, I hate you", yet, they didn't even play out her role to even be like this, so uttering that just sounded so meaningless, considering that Nihilego enhances one's already existing desires. So, it made sense for Mother Beast in the games to be this psychotic beast, given that it showed Lusamine had reached a point of no return, and it was a full display of her hatred. In the anime, Lusamine never hated her kids to begin with, so for her to still be uttering "I hate you, I hate you" was just dumb. And of course, there was Ash's (imo) DEM 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt, which occurred out of nowhere, and then reverted back into the regular Electrium Z. What was still stupid for me is that they took a happy opening for the AF arc that did not fit in the AF arc. I had in the AF arc the feeling that they have made no effort to make the AF arc interesting and just rush through. AF arc had only 11 episodes while TF had arc 43 and had a better buildup (Mega Evolution arc) since the episodes did not all come at once into the TF arc. But overall, the arc as a whole was quite underwhelming, which is disappointing since I thought episodes 49 and 50 were really good, but after that, it just went downhill.
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>>36086723
Can I say my worst is the UB arc at this point do to how little there is in battles their are and a overdose of comedy. It's a pity that the Ultra Beast only get an episode and you do not really do anything with them. I think that's a waste of potential with the Ultra Beast. The Ultra Beast are actually dangerous but in SM they are presented harmless. In anime, they seem weak as strong but that could also be because they are depicted as ridiculous rather than dangerous. They only give the Ultra Beasts' an episode to promote them. It looks like they do not know what to do with the Ultra Beasts. I don't like that they made a joke out of the UBs.
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Do people actually like the anime for anything other then Team Rocket? Jessie and James, hell, even meowth, are more developed and likable then Ash or any companion he's ever had.
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>>36087514
this
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>>36073805
It was never good
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>>36086723
If OLM wanted a school anime then they should atleast put some effort into writing a real school. Instead they write something that is complete opposite of school .The whole school feel like a fanfiction written by a child who wish for a school that doesn't have homework, test, strict teacher, rule, actual classes and actual classmate. Its as if the writers just created a building and decided to put Ash with trial captains and Lillie to call it a "school". Yes, A school can be used for a good pokemon anime if its executed properly. But S/M series handle the school so poorly that it just disappointing.

The battles in SM are generally poorly animated. Of course there are exceptions but that does not change that they really do not bother with the animation when it comes to battles. The only battles that were well animated were Ash, vs. Olivia / Kiawe vs. Brock / Ash vs. Misty and Ash vs. Royal Mask

There is a lack of battles and they are way too short. In the beginning this was still ok but currently this is urgently needed in my opinion to get a change from SM. For me it gets pretty boring to see comedy / memefaces every time.
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>>36087514
Oh please, this meme again? None of that backstory bullshit has ever actually mattered in the main show and hasn't been brought up in over a decade. Who fucking cares?

Team Rocket is overrated horseshit. They're nothing special and should've been cut out of the anime years ago.
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>>36086723
Compare to OS, S/M series is just a generic series with Memefaces. S/M is just overdoing it comedy, which making the series less funny and more annoying. Comedy is not that easy where animator only has to put memeface everywhere. Comedy require better script, comic timing, punchline, gag , one liner, risky theme, creative story telling, less restriction and well written character. Slapsticks and comedy that's all SM has to offer and if it gets serious then it's only a few minutes and then it's over. SM needs more episodes where it gets serious just like episode 21,49,50,53 or 54. In most episodes, over half of an episode is comedy when it comes to action and it would be better to focus more on the plot than comedy (SM episode 21 is a good example). Somehow I have the feeling that the group does not have a real personality but only that one thinks that they have a personality because of the whole memefaces although so what gives a character no personality. If you're doing serious episodes, then half of an episode should not consist of slapsticks and comedy (SM episode 49 + 50). They just overdo it with the comedy and the slapsticks and especially in SM episode 53 + 54 the comedy did not fit at all.

I think the reason why I did not feel any hype in AF arc was because the art style did not suit serious episodes and I can not take that seriously and so I did not get any hype. Somehow, the art style does not fit into serious episodes and does not even make it look serious. That could therefore be a reason for me why I felt no hype. Because of the art style I can not take serious episodes seriously because it does not seem serious by the art style, it looks rather strange. If you thought that SM could give you hype, you were disappointed in the end and the reason was either because of the comedy or that they had not really focused on the plot.
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>>36086723
>>36087229
>>36087436
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>>36087628
imagine putting this much thought into a children's video game commercial
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>>36087729
>replying to Famon at aall
He's the new Goodrafag.
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>>36087729
Honestly if it's just a commercial why bother "developing" characters? Just let them win everything.
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>>36076850
muh
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>>36087729
If you don't want to think about what you watch, then why are trying to discuss it here?
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>>36073805
Yes! XY, XY&Z
true stories, best animes
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I literally do not
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>>36088270
Being an eternal loser and having an ugly crush must be a true story for the likes of you.
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Season 1 was great. Too bad it went 200% soulless advertisement after that.
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>>36080682
Ohmy god you're right
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>>36073805
It's never been actually good, it's just nostalgia. I'm watching SM just because i like the characters and want to see UltraNecrozma animated. Otherwise it's an ok series, clearly for a public of children, not us.
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>>36077375
I left for BW and never watched XY
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>>36086723
>Comedy is great
This series never had anything genuinely funny
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>>36086723
Imagine watching the series unironically
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>>36073805
The anime never was good
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Max was a little shit but the entire hoenn saga was pretty good. Not too much filler and the filler it did have was at least entertaining, best contest arc, good movies too.
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Why is the anime using that shitty CalArts style?
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>>36074207
As a kid I always wondered why they had those weird tans, now I wonder why nips think Gyarus are hot
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>>36078894
The Japanese enjoy fucking with people
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>>36073805
I forgot about it around the time I discovered REAL anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK9aXTnzOt8
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>>36086723
T. Canipa Effect
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The only reason i found the anime good at some point was because i was a kid watching it for the pokemon and characters. Trying to rewatch it as a adult is just painful. It's so much more blateant advertising. Did'nt even one of the writers state that the only reason they bother switching out the main 3 cast is just to keep the girl eye candy fresh? The series was never meant to be wholesome. Much like the Clones it spawned in of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime in Digimon animes. The show has to go on just keep going despite how much it's just repeating itself at this point.
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>>36073805
Face it, it was never good.
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I only like the SM anime because Lillie is in it and you can't stop me.
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>>36074207
Original VA's were the best.
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4kids did nothing wrong
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>>36073805
My all time favorite episode is when jessie and james end up bagging an aggron and charizard and literally slaughter ash and brock, only to drop the ball because someone had the bright idea to jump infront of a fire blast.

I found myself rooting for team rocket alot because I Really had no interest in the heroes at all
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>>36082664
>The original series Kanto through Johto was good, but only because the show's repetitiveness hadn't reached the point were it was no longer appealing and just annoying.
This.

Quite honestly I've been interested in watching XY just to see Ash going somewhere with a female companion but 140 fucking episodes is discouraging.
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>>36087845
No, Rad Dudesman is, and the better comparison is pic related aka CyberCubed anyways.
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the anime needs more sass
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>>36083010
boring character
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>>36093847
absolutely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfJhF4eYDEA
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>>36093859
You are boring.




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