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ITT missed potential
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>>36288071
That looks like a hollow knight npc and I love it
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>>36288071
>waifumon
And Shiinotic is pretty cool, no changes needed
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>>36288071
Literally why?
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>>36288071
shiinotic is cool fuck off waifu fag
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you just immediately outed yourself
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>>36288071
Agree, Shiinotic looks like bad fakemon
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>>36288071
The last thing we need is more waifumons, faggot.
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>>36288071
>hating cute yet creepy forest mushroom with hypnotic glowing spores and extendable alien-like arms/fingers
fuck off m8 your taste is shit
you already got tsareena
don't be greedy
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All you saying shiinotic has a good design, you arent fooling anybody. That piece of shit looks like a fucking yokai watch character
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>>36288195

Why does that picture look so much cooler? The real missed opportunity is the in-game model.
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>>36288215

Considering your picture is "it just gets bigger", i'm not surprised by your shit taste
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>>36288071
stop wanting every grassmon to be waifushit
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ballio
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>>36288090
>frogadier but bigger
dumb frog poster
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>>36288071
my mom's waifuied goomy's evo
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>>36288313
This
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>>36288215
This. Diggersby is a fucking disappointment.
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>>36288313
>>36288324
>Hes sad that a shitty meme wasnt real
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>>36288313
always in our hearts
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>>36288342
not as a popplio evo though
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>>36288215
>not liking the chad diggersby
dumb coolfag
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>>36288214
This, the lack of golf course, and the unreachable cave all drive me up the wall. It's like someone at GF is mad enough at the lack of finishing games before release that they left remnants in.
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>>36288071
So instead of the cool ayy we gat a waifu? Fuck off.
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>>36288071
t. Degenerate waifufag
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This is also now a Sun and Moon thread
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>>36288367
I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying, but really who gives
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>>36288269
It actually shows Shiinotic in a pose that isn't "standing as generically as possible" and reminds you that it has those long ass hands in contrast to its short body.
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>>36288318
thats not what dumb frogposter means you braindead parrot
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>>36288375
I like OG shiinotic a lot more too, but the fact that you see that thing as a waifu makes you a degenerate
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>>36288389
feminine design, waifu, it's the same, stop forcing that shit
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>>36288397
>feminine design, waifu, it's the same
Probably one of the most retarded things I've heard on /vp/
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>>36288338
>>36288353
>>36288377
i wish gf wasn't that shit at using the 3ds
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>>36288335
Is it bad that I want both Ballio and Primarina?
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>>36288313
>>36288324
Trash taste.
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Shiinotic is perfect i wanted a pokemon that looked like Celestial emissary if only the shiny was blue
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>>36288404
>implying it's not the same
anything a bit "feminine" is directly a waifu on /vp/
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>>36288342
>was about to post the "friend to children, beast against the enemy" image
>i don't have it
fucking help me please
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>>36288415
>feminine designs shouldn't ever be considered because I and a bunch of autists on /vp/ instantly regard them as waifus
Grow up anon
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>>36288404
It is the same you faggot. There's no animal with distinctly female human traits like an hourglass figure and a girl's haircut. Adding them to a fictional animal, especially when its species isn't based on humans, is entirely for waifubait. That's why it's so jarring and so obviously pandering to deviants.
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Improved.
It's both creepier and cuter like this.
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>>36288428
it's way too much used on grassmons though, that's mainly the problem, especially in a gen where we already have at least one
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>>36288435
Pokémon aren't animals
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>>36288436
the smile is more creepy
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>>36288438
Yeah that I can agree with, I never defended the design OP posted
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>>36288439
Pokemon are based on animals and other living things. Occasionally objects. Adding human femininity to a non-human is fucking obviously waifu shit. And it's fucking repulsive.
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>>36288454
muh dick
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>>36288071
Even if Shiinotic had that design, that wouldn't prevent it from being a massive shitmon.
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>>36288447
Nah, I just cannot see it as a friendly, cartoony smile.
I like Shiinotic, but I prefer what Morelull had going for it. The lack of any expression leaving only "spot eyes" adds a lot to the mystery vibe this line tries to go for.
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>>36288454
Femininity and masculinity can add a lot of flavor and personality to a design without being "waifu-shit", though
Pokémon have a ton of human trats aside from those that vastly improve their designs and make them feel unique

Alolan 'tales is more feminine than its Kantonian counterpart and this makes it look a lot more elegant and majectic to me, improving a ton on the original form
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>>36288071
i don't like shiinotic either but making it a waifumon instead really doesnt help at all
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>Goes Grass/Ghost because it's based on the extinct Stilt Owl
>Goes for a Robin Hood motif instead of Stolas despite that being a perfect follow-up to Dartix's high society look

Oh Decidueye, you could have been so much more.
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>>36288478
Masculinity involves muscle and toughness, which are biologically useful. There is no biological reason to have human female traits other than to attract human males. They're only there as waifu shit.
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>>36288071
>shiinotic is a defensive pokemon
>all it has going for it is a large frame
>meanwhile this thing could probably use it's mushroom hand as a fucking shield
fuck the homos this is truly a better design
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>>36288195
I actually really like Shiinotic and it's signature move, it kicked ass in my Ultra Sun playthrough
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>>36288508
No, it's to make appealing designs for children that might like feminine designs more than masculine designs disregarding the fact that an incredibly small minority of people might want to fuck them.

Besides, they're also useful on a gameplay level because it's easy to associate feminine designs with special attackers and masculine designs with physical attackers, so that's another reason to have feminine designs.
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>>36288542
>it's easy to associate feminine designs with special attackers and masculine designs with physical attackers
How full of shit do you have to be
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>>36288557
Great rebuttal.
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>>36288557
that's fairly often the case though
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>>36288569
You don't need to rebut a patent farce. It's a completely fucking unreliable way to determine that.
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>>36288557
>jynx is a special attacker
>gardevoir is a special attacker
>medicham is mixed
>gothielle is a special attacker
>primarina is a special attacker
>zoroark is a mixed attacker that leans towards special
>delphox is a special attacker

>machamp is a physical attacker
>hariyama is a physical attacker
>conkeldurr is a physical attacker
>throh is a physical attacker
>sawk is a physical attacker
>bisharp is a physical attacker
>incineroar is a physical attacker
I don't know anon, seems like it's you who's full of shit.
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>>36288587
I don't get it.
Have I been baited this whole time?
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>>36288467
But Shiinotic's smile isn't supposed to be friendly, is an ambiguous smile.
Thats the creepy part about him, you don't know why is he smiling, he just does it all the time, even when his draining the life out of your pokemon
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>>36288599
>medicham is mixed
pic related
>can't even list pure special attackers in his cherrypicked list
>lopunny
>mawile
>tsareena
>blaziken
Just fuck off you idiot. Most Pokemon aren't waifu shit and neither are the vast majority of special attackers. It serves absolutely no fucking gameplay purpose. It's only there to pander to degenerates like you.
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>>36288628
>LOOK AT MY FOUR OUTLIERS HAHA BEATS THAT 12 EXAMPLES THAT PROVE THAT MASCULINE POKEMON ARE PHYSICAL ATTACKERS AND FEMININE POKMEON ARE SPECIAL
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>>36288414
nigger that's the nihilanth
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>>36288628
>blaziken
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>>36288628
Those are feminine designs with VERY CLEAR traits that make them appear as physical attackers DESPITE that. I don't see the point you're trying to make, really.
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>>36288628
>>blaziken
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>>36288071
>why doesn't every mon evolve into a waifu REEEEE
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>>36288628
>blaziken
>medicham
>zoroark
Still capable of physical attacks just as well as special attacks, being mixed doesn't mean shit when it can serve both functions well.
>lopunny
>tsareena
>mawile
Congratulations! You named TWO exceptions! Imagine thinking that people need to be told that Mawile's giant mouth hair indicates that it's a physical attacker.
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>>36288644
>wide hips
>thin torso
>long legs
>long blonde hair
Blaziken has always been feminine.

>>36288639
Without fucking stupidly lumping Zoroark in waifu Pokemon, since it isn't, you listed six, plus my four, and Medicham is purely fucking physical. That's half physical. Even if it wasn't, waifu Pokemon ARE outliers, and even among them it's inconsistent. There is no reliable mechanic here. It's unrelated to gameplay. Stop grasping for straws, furfag.
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>>36288666
Thanks, Satan!
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>>36288649
And the over-fucking-whelming majority of special attackers are not waifushit, having other, more reliable indicators of special focus. Even in this extremely ambiguous context of visual indicators, waifu shit serves no purpose.
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>>36288667
please don't bring your degeneracy into this
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>>36288667
>medicham is purely fucking physical
Are you retarded?
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>>36288692
>waifufags resorting to disingenuous arguments to rationalize their degeneracy
Who do you think you're fooling?
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>>36288123
>let's take the idea of a fire tiger and make it as basic and uncreative as possible
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>>36288667
>Blaziken is a waifumon
>but Zoroark can't be considered feminine
>Blaziken isn't a mixed attacker despite having 110 special attack, only 10 less than its physical attack
>Medicham is purely physical
You're brain damaged holy shit
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>>36288699
Why do you keep calling others waifufags? You're the only one that describes Pokemon as "waifus" in this argument.
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>>36288692
>>36288703
>medicham isn't purely physical
haha what the fuck
look up what pure power does sometime, thanks.
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>>36288711
I'm the only one stating your degeneracy explicitly, while you try to hide it. Big thinky.

>>36288703
You said special attacker you dumb fuck. Both of those Pokemon are overwhelmingly physical, even with occasional coverage. Medicham NEVER uses special attacks you absolute retard. Do you actually play this game or just jerk off to it?
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>>36288683
What the fuck does "waifu shit" mean? Graceful/elegant/feminine traits very obviously indicate special oriented 'mons most of the time.
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>>36288745
it means Anon has a complex
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>>36288667
Blaziken's legs are fucking feather logs and it looks like a fucking male Egyptian deity (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra). There is nothing "feminine" about that, you retarded closet furry.
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>>36288745
It doesn't indicate fucking shit. There are more than enough exceptions to make this an absolutely fucktarded way to determine that, and tons of Pokemon with more clear indicators.
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>>36288622
I know why the smile is creepy to you, you don't need to explain it. I'm just saying I find the lack of mouth all together way more "ambiguous", while also keeping the mysteriousness of Morelull which goes fantastic with the line.
And to be honest with you the "permanent smile" trope is a really cheap way to give something a creepy vibe. It's amateurish.
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>>36288745
Literal faggots getting mad everything isn't barashit
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>>36288701
I bet you think Charizard and Feraligatr are shit because they aren't based on some epic human activity, don't you?
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>>36288762
It's literally the philosophy behind the last 2 sets of starters, the Tapus, Gardevoir and Gallade, Milotic and Gyarados and a shit-ton other designs in the series. You're full of shit.
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>>36288622
Except that it looks like a dopey smile and makes the mon look ridiculous
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>>36288408
Yes because Ballio was always a shitty trash and obviously fake design. Anyone who ever thought it was real or wanted it (that specific design - conceptually it was okay ish) anyway is a retard.
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>>36288362
Diggersby is a fucking shit design, and its cry is even worse.
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>>36288818
>hurr durr it's not sleek and cool, what a shit design
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>>36288795
It's literally not reliable in any way. Most special starters are masculine. Genies, probably the most masculine Pokemon out there, are 5/6 special attackers. Miltank, Weavile, Bruxish, Purugly, Pheromosa. The list of exceptions to your retarded non-rule goes on and on. Stop pushing this as anything more than waifu pandering.
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>>36288849
>Most special starters are masculine
Most starters are mixed. In fact the two starters that aren't viable as physical attackers are the only two feminine starters in the series. Great argument there, anon.

>Genies, probably the most masculine Pokemon out there, are 5/6 special attackers
Nope, literally all of them have great physical attack and can work both as physical or special attackers. Another horrible example.

>Pheromosa
Literally has the same points in Attack and Special attack. Her MASCULINE counterpart, Buzzwole, is a physical attacker. Terrible example.

The others are bad examples all around. Miltank it's just a fucking cow. Of course it doesn't have special powers. Bruxish is meant to bite things. Why would it be a special attacker?
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Arceus, this thread is pure autism. Smells like virgin fats and granny nerds.
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>>36288367
>the unreachable cave
who what where
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>>36288238
I actually like Aromatisse, but this would have been a good alternative just because we have no flamingo pokemon
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>>36288882
> the two starters that aren't viable as physical attackers are the only two feminine starters in the series
Holy fucking shit, you seriously fucking think that Venusaur, Blastoise, non-X Charizard, Meganium, Typhlosion, Empoleon etc (because the list goes on) are the least bit viable as physical attackers? Waifufags are THIS mentally challenged.
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>>36288929
Competitive isn't canon, retard.
Starters are almost always made to be usable both as physical and special attackers. You're a fucking idiot.
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>>36288947
>Competitive isn't canon, retard.
You were talking about gameplay mechanics you fucking maroon. None of those Pokemon are mechanically physical attackers. Don't go moving the goalpost now.
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>>36288701
it looks bette then what we got
which was just a red tony the tiger
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>>36288973
Instead we get pyroar 2.0 now with badly explained dark type
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>>36288972
>None of those Pokemon are mechanically physical attackers

All of those Pokemon are viable as physical attackers, though. They aren't min-maxed at all, having a good enough attack stat and often REQUIRING them the use of physical moves to get type coverage and moves of their secondary stab. It's sometiems not the optimal thing to do, but you CAN do it and it's viable, and most kids WILL do it.
Do you really not teach Sludge Bomb to Venusaur in Gen 3 because it's a physical move and Venusaur has 18 points less in Physical attack compared to special attack? They can't be considered strictly special just because it's what's most optimal in a competitive environment.

The only true exceptions to this are Delphox and Primarina, which have pretty much no physical options at all, not even in-game.
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>>36289013
>All of those Pokemon are viable as physical attackers
By your logic so is Primarina because it can use Aqua Jet, and it's perfectly viable in game. And Delphox can make use of Flame Charge.

No, faggot, using physical moves on underleveled story mode enemies does not make those Pokemon physical attackers. You, as a player, would be fucking wrong to identify them as "physical attackers" based on their masculinity, which was the whole point of your argument before you shifted. Stop jerking off to your anthro shit and use your head.
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>>36289055
What shift exactly? You're the one who keeps ignoring most of my posts, actually. Why are you focussing on starters now, which are mostly gender neutral anyway?

In any case:
My example was a 90 power move on 84 attack: that's viable!
Your example was a 40 power move on 74 attack: that's NOT viable!
It's not hard to understand, hopefully.

>You, as a player, would be fucking wrong to identify them as "physical attackers" based on their masculinity
No, the point is that most of the time identifying them as mixed attackers is actually the best thing you can do based on what option you have. Again, Not teaching your Venusaur Sludge Bomb because it's a physical move in Gen 3 would be fucking retarded.

>using physical moves on underleveled story mode enemies does not make those Pokemon physical attackers
Using more powerful and supereffective physical moves depending on what's available and the fact that they often REQUIRE you to do it literally means they are viable as physical attackers
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I was always a fan of these final evos. Fire starter is a little underwhelming but the other two are amazing.

>>36288071
>another fucking waifumon
>another fairy waifumon
Fuck off, Jesus Christ.

>>36288090
>>36288123
Even though they are safe I like them.

>>36288215
A+
MUCH better than the current piece of shit.
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>>36288090
this one still hurts. Care to post the other two?
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>>36288071
>Not liking mushroom Mr. Burns
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>>36288387
Whooosh
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>>36288837
It’s no different than Garbodor in its design quality.
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>>36289091
>which are mostly gender neutral anyway
They are mostly fucking masculine, and certainly not waifushit. A priority STAB is viable even if it's weak you dumb shit, at least in the same way that Slash is "viable" on Charizard. As in not at all outside of braindead story mode.

You're arguing outdated mechanics that no longer apply, while making your argument based on recent designs. Of course a retard like you resorts to doublethink. By the time of Delphox and Primarina, they were about as much "physical attackers" as Venusaur.

You can put physical and special moves on everything. It is not fucking "useful on a gameplay level" to build or build against those Pokemon as physical attackers based on their masculine appearance. You would be doing it wrong if you did that. So no it's not fucking useful for gameplay, it serves virtually no gameplay purpose.
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>>36288728
what about Medicham's other abilities tho?
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>>36288666
Medicham is not a special attacker at all you autist.
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>>36289177
Listen anon, this isn't going anywhere and I don't feel like you're even attempting to appreciate what I'm trying to make you appreciate.

You are now saying completely illogical things like Empoleon being a masculine starter when it's undeniably gender neutral (like the vast majority of them) or that using Aqua Jet for the whole game with Primarina is a viable strategy.

You can keep calling everything remotely feminine """waifushit""" and call everyone a furfag while I can keep seeing feminine designs as an attempt to make something more graceful and elegant while also having a gameplay utility most of the time as a bonus (even better if they break the convention in unique and interesting ways), alright?
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>>36288080

It really does. Shit that game is good
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look at this degenerate waifubait I found
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>>36289177
At certain points in the game Bulba line is better off with physical moves like Vine Whip and Razor Leaf. The Popplio line is NEVER better off with physical moves.
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>>36289204
>empoleon
>a fucking KING themed, Napoleon themed, fatass emperor penguin with sword arms
>not masculine
You are literally brain damaged. And I never said remotely feminine = waifushit. Female Pyroar is "remotely" feminine, but it doesn't pander to anthrofags, like waifushit pokemon.
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>>36289221
>And I never said remotely feminine = waifushit.
lol
This whole discussion literally started with this post:
>feminine design, waifu, it's the same, stop forcing that shit
followed by
>It is the same you faggot.
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>>36288071
>People trying to argue that this slender creature with curly cues for hair, a wide bell skirt, and chest lump isn't waifu bait
Every time I pop into /vp/ I see at least one gem of a thread
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>>36289237
Yes, design, as in -the- design as a whole. Not individual features in a vacuum. Mewtwo's huge hips and thighs don't make him feminine overall.
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>>36289267
You couldn't miss the point harder, I said from the start that design was shit. I'm only arguing that feminine doesn't always equal to waifubait depending on the inspiration and overall intention of the design.
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Really, the entirety of Gen 7 is missed potential. So many good concepts, such poor execution.
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>>36289284
>Ultra changes
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>>36289209
all yellow designs remind me of piss and are therefore fetish bait, fuck off
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>>36289443
Just imagine if we actually had this sort of scale in the Pokemon games.
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>>36289467
Something that for some reason, isn't in the artbook but was shown off at an event.
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>>36289101
MOUSTACHE
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>>36289101
I would be completely fine with that Fennekin evo if it was part Ground. Looks like it would be specially oriented sweeper and will have Sand Rush as it's HA
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>>36289421
>>36289437
>>36289443
>>36289452
So... why did Sun/Moon end up feeling so goddamn small? They clearly had more ambitious stuff in mind. Was it 3DS limitations? Was it a lack of time? Was it incompetence?
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>>36289568
I think it's both 3DS limitations as well as incompetence.
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>>36289594
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>>36289602
And this one's big on missed potential, too. Instead of actually facing her fused form as a boss, she simply sends her team at us again. Why?
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>>36288837
>>hurr durr it's not sleek and cool, what a shit design
You projecting things people didn't say is more proof of it being an undefendable design.
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>>36288215
Is Bewear going to eat all his honey?
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>>36289568
>>36289579
The hardware itself was never really an issue. The problem is Game Freak is trying to build 3D games with a 2D mentality. They refuse to reassess basic issues like optimization and design, and the quality of their work visibly suffers.
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>>36289627
the guy never said why it was bad and posted just bigger bunnelby, so no
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>>36289639
Well, realistically you'd never be able to get some of these concept arts to render at the right scale in good quality on the 3DS, but there is absolutely a disconnect between the 2D and 3D art teams. They also seem to do concept art for literally everything, and I don't think they know what modular models are.
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All this concept art looks great, the world actually has scale and feels alive, Game Freak better get it right for Gen 8.
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>>36289639
Also, fixed camera was a mistake.
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>>36289624
Because Game Freak doesn't want another "uncatchable pokemon" that hackers can easily distribute.
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>>36289684
>catch lillie's mom
>train lillie's mom
>pet lillie's mom
>breed lillie's mom
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>>36289684
They could easily prevent that by adding a basic check on the system.
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>>36289849
No they can't. They're Game Freak.
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>>36288701
>lets literally take tom from tom and jerry and make him fat
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>make legendaries representing life and death
>they do absolutely nothing in the story
>all they do is act as a powerup for a giant machine
Why?
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>>36289863
Fair point.
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>>36290263
They already did it in the last special episodes of the anime xyz.
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>>36288215
Shiinotic's design isn't any worse than Vileplume's. In fact, it's more thoroughly handled, and is therefore better.
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>>36289204
Youre actually fucking retarded if youre gonna come out here and say Empoleon isnt a masculine pokemon. The absolute state of WaifuFags
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>>36290856
It's not, it's 100% gender neutral.
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>>36290874
>Based on a king
>"gender neutral"
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>>36288071
I was the faker of the original. Kinda funny to see it colored and posted here after all these years.
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>>36290881
>emperor penguins are in any way masculine or feminine
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>>36288090
>it just gets bigger
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>>36289299
yes
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>>36290263
ALL of you retards were complaining that there were too many legendaries and that they were all the plot was about. So they made a gen with just 6 of them and they had almost no presence in the story.
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>>36290941
It's fine when Gen 4 does it
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>>36290941
b-but it let me get the pokemon they specifically cut from diamond and pearl!!
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>tfw GameFreak has a god-tier designer and artist team
>tfw GameFreak's incompetence will never allow them to fully realize what their artists come up with and have them cut like half of everything.
It's not fair bros.
I want to be hopeful for the real games next year but I just know it'll be the same shit as always.
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>>36289568
>>36289568
It was all three. Game Freak rushed a game out for the 20th anniversary and started releasing games more often in general, don't know how to program or optimise for shit and therefore manage to make some of the biggest games on the 3DS in file size despite having fuck all content (in addition to not knowing how to utilise 3D very well), and are headed by lazy fucks who know their every queef racks in unbelievable dosh.
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>>36289183
the ability that wasn't present the gen it was introduced?
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>>36291147
Surfing through their concept art is pretty painful, isn't it?
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>>36288071
Pokemon.jpg
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>>36288088
SPBP
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>>36288436
I would've loved this.
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>>36289602
What the hell is the thing in the side view?
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>>36291475
Two people on the back of Solgaleo
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>>36288808
No, ballio was cute.
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>>36289568
>So... why did Sun/Moon end up feeling so goddamn small?

Because the kept the same overall region size as usual, but made it in 3D (and more or less real scaled)
This shit works in 2D, but in 3D you need an actually big world if you don't want it to feel small
Hope they'll get their shit together with Gen 8 on Switch
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Imagine how busted Dunsparce's evolution would be if it was introduced in Gen IV.
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>>36291691
It would be better to see it stay ugly and adorable even as it evolves. Magikarp and feebas already have the big reveal evolution down. Dunsparce, and Stunfisk to a lesser extent, deserve an evo that keeps them ugly but just makes them absolute nightmares to deal with in battle
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>>36288318
>>36290920
Typhlosion and Feraligatr anyone?
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>>36288238
this is fucking great, the neck even looks like a cartoony scent trail of perfume
>>36289101
not a fan of fake delphox or Greninja, but armadillo chesnaught is fantastic
>>36291691
A lot of people REEE so hard at Quetzalcoatl dunsparce, but it makes so much sense
>dunsparce is a mythological serpent
>dunsparce can both burrow and fly
>Quetzalcoatl is a mythological serpent
>in Mesoamerica, serpents were symbols of earthly things, feathers were symbols or heavenly things, Quetzalcoatl was supposed to act as a marriage between the two
it just fucking works
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>>36288929

Not to adress the point itself but Zard is a bad example, specifically because X exists.
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