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what did she mean by this?
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>>3863574
the game is so long, I can't remember most individual scenes
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>>3863608
this
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Squaresoft fucked up by not making Ramsus recruitable.
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>>3864309
too op
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>>3863574
She wanted dat dick.
Seriously, it's the last scene that any of them are seen in.
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>>3864408
HHHNNNNNGGGGG
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>>3863574
Dominia and the rest of the girls sucked Ramsus's schlong while you where fighting Deus
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>>3866098
>were

Fixed
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>>3863574
Reference to King Edward's wedding to Walla Simpson and Elaine Benes' impression of a guest as she ate the cake while caught on the camera installed to catch OtherWalter using the Katrine
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>>3863574
The closest meaning is that she's expressing relief as Ramsus comes to his senses finally.
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I was just looking for a Xenogears thread.

Started replaying it not too long ago. This is the first time I've replayed in it years. I used to do it regularly when I never had any money for newer games. It's still pretty fun and engaging.

But why did Citan let Fei and Elly eat canned people?
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>>3866270
There's a couple possibilities.

1. He thought it'd be a more effective way to teach them about the evils of Solaris.

Because this seems extreme, especially considering the heart of the plant was in the very next room, I tend to subscribe to the other theory:

2. Being on the run, they were at a loss for food, and he allowed them to eat purely for sustenance's sake.
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>>3866098
at least we got Elly
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>>3866291
the reason is simply because he doesn't want to interfere. he doesn't inform people's decisions, he simply gives them the power and opportunity to make them. he also wants Fei to be able to more correctly relate to the situation that Elly was in.
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>>3866497
the other interpretation was that the same thing happened to him, and he was handing off the burden to change the system or determine the new future to Fei, who was the original contact and the only person with the power and the right to actually make that decision. Citan himself was just another cog in the machine, and if he started to take responsibility now he'd have to take responsibility for everything he'd done.
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Ramsus deserved to die.
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>>3866270
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>>3864408
>she wanted dat dick.
>it's the last scene that any of them are seen in.

Really makes you think
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>>3866270
all items like aquasol and zetasol's are byproducts of people from the solent system.

Citan states it as part of life get over it. basically for you to live in the way you do others must die.

still one of the best on rails rpg's ever made.
still pissed that they cut the development time/team to ribbons fucking the second cd completely, anyone else see the debug areas in that game showing the areas that are still on the disc but unable to get to. fucking sacrilege
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>>3866552
And instead he got away with some light PTSD and was almost certainly plowing four different flavours of pussy every day for the rest of his life.
>>3866821
>still pissed that they cut the development time/team to ribbons fucking the second cd completely
Blame Sakaguchi.
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>>3866821
>Sakaguchi
for what ff8 or tactics.
either way xanogears was better.

fucking hell it was even ep IV from memory. if they had played it out it could have been the star wars of vidya.
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>>3866821
Funny thing that they cut the budget for FFVIII. Now imagine how the second disk could have been with the same level of dialogue and details as the first one, instead of those "chair scenes".
They just cut of the budget for a game that is considered one of the most hated games in the Final Fantasy series instead of finishing this game, let that sink in
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>>3866878
>>3866878
>>3866878
indeed, ironic too that there is a whole underlying theme in that pile of dog vomit ff8 that is about "TIME KOMPRESSION" fucking nips, don't know when they have something grand in their hands.

Xenogears was/is one of few commentaries on almost all of human existence it asks questions and makes you think about so much. I recall. this fucking game, I saw it. this is after ff7 was released in au where xenogears was banned. when I saw this fucking game, next day on poor kid funds I went out got a new psx and got it fucking mod chipped same day to play this game. FUCKING WORTH IT even in the flawed state it was.

like >>3866270 I too used to play this bi annually then I became time poor :( last time I played it was 2014 ? got up to jessie's story and the fuge packing church.
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>>3866552
It's funny, because it's true!
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>>3866552
https://lparchive.org/Xenogears-(by-The-Dark-Id)/Citan/
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>>3866878
>>3866909
>Question the artistry of FFVIII
>Hold Xenogears of all things as being a more cohesive story
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>>3866994
I honestly didn't know FF8 was a good game until I was like 25
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>>3864309
Xenogears had so much cool shit in it. It's GOOD that didn't happen. If you could get your hands on everything, I dunno, that'd make things kind of crappy. I know the game wasn't finished or whatever. Liked it despite that. Loved Disc 2 for it! It was like a 10 hour long ending cutscene.

And

>wanting Ramsus instead of the Elements under his command
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/13034
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>>3866485
Why did Elly's Pilot Uniform go for so much? I think it's 2500G.
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>>3866987
>The only reason he didn’t die in poverty is because Ramsus saw potential in him and sponsored Citan for entering Jugend.

Did Citan gay Ramsus for survival?
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>>3866987
>Serves as the only doctor in the village of Lahan but lives miles outside of town, on top of a mountain, past a wolf infested trail with a broken bridge that has been washed out for at least a week before the events of the game.
>Knows Fei’s entire past and the fact he’s a walking WMD but keeps that all to himself.

Just saying, these are connected. With his family and all, it's a reasonable precaution.
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>>3866987
Why are people reposting this dumb shit?
None of the things in those list make sense at all
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>>3863574
>you will never have sex with a teenaged, tsundere, Gin n' Tonic Futon brained, pig-tailed, cyborg warrior goddess

It sounds uncomfortable. Also, those are the worst type of pig-tails. I'm sorry I've seen her full profile now.
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>>3867061
She looks like Billy
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I JUST WANT OUT. LET ME OUT OF KRELIAN'S LAB. I'VE BEEN IN HERE FOR HOURS.

Place is pretty great otherwise. All these weird ass rooms. All the shit in this place just makes me wonder.
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>>3867147
Literally wants to suck old man dick.
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>>3867036
because it's used and the game was made in japan
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>>3867061
Sera is better
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>>3867374
pls
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>>3867374
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>>3867147
You're doing gods work, anon
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Why'd he do it?
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>>3867549
he wanted dem mad skills
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What was her problem?
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>>3867624
I don't remember any. And even if she did, she would counterbalanace that with the best introduction ever, the song that plays (June Mermaid) is beautiful and the only one I still keep on my HD after all this time.
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>>3867032
THAT FEELING WHEN YOU FINALLY GET TO THE TOP OF BABEL TOWER
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>>3867745
>Your gears can fly
>Instead of flying, climb the tower on foot
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What did she mean by this?
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>>3867624
She lost Kim.
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>A Rope of Robots will never finish his LP
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>>3867624
Her gear was more powerful than the xenogears itself
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>>3867790
what's the matter with Fei is he gay?
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>>3868012
Fucks Elly
>is gay.
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>>3866497
>>3866502
Yeah, I like your second idea a little better. The first one makes logical sense, but I'm not sure anyone abiding by that principle would take it to such an extreme.
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>>3863574
Were they all pure before Ramsus?
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>>3867624
She spent 4000 years in a body-less state, trapped with no knowledge of what happened to her Father and creator, far under the Earth in the dark with no one beside her.

Also, her nanomachine colony built baby maker desperately wanted to be filled with Kim cum.
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>>3867786
I WAS WONDERING THIS THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME

GODDAMNIT HEROS
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>never mentioned again after the start of the game
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So, why wasn't Elly part of their group?
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>>3868120
>they've taken each other's virginities countless times
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>last fight with the elements
>ending cutscene as the gang and Elly walk off in their gears
>johnny in the background in his idle animation
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>>3868237
A-RI-SUUU!!
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>>3868237
Fight dan and he qq's the whole time about her.
>never mentioned again.

dude do you just fail or what?
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>>3868256
wow deep.
and true.
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>>3868353
Nothing that comes out of that mutant's mouth can be taken seriously.
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>>3868012
no Fei is Ellysexual
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>>3868535
>Fei is Ellysexual

factually accurate
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>>3868237
Well, atleast you got her wedding dress
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>>3868462
>not power leveling so you can beat a small child who is already distraught.
why even be the one who bears fangs at the God.
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I feel bad fighting these frog people.
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>>3866485
Dumb stupid bitch
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>>3868230
Emeralda is pure
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I want to try and beat Alpha Weltall...but it's going to take so much time...
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>>3870069
Just use the debug room
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So, all those millennia Fei was fucking his mental manifestation of his mother?
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>>3870463
I don't remember the game showing you what Fei's mom looks like, though.
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>>3870465
Dude, she's a total milf for the two seconds you see her before she is eviscerated by the n^th iteration of this little fellow right here >>3870463.
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>>3870465
So what we Freud nao?
As if there was not enough layers on this game already.
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This thread just reminded me that this game is easily the greatest game of all fucking time
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>>3870840
Until you reach cd 2.
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>>3870871
Still loved disc 2. Especially beating Deus without a guide/cheese equipment. Shit was epic as fuck, especially since I killed him with literally all my other party members dead and like 500 health remaining after his final ultimate break attack. My cock was rock hard after
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*blocks your path*
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Why the fuck didn't the Earth Federation go find out what the fuck happened to the Eldridge?
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>>3870465
That's what the Wave Existence created when he made Elly. Fei/Abel's desire for his mother made real.

I gotta say, they made a damn good Eva clone so soon after Eva was made.
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>>3870871
My only problem with Disc 2 through my current playthrough is that it's getting damn depressing. I know I dug it when I was younger, but this ain't helping the day-to-day. Goddamnit, just be happy, you eternally-fated-to-live-and-die-endlessly-by-advanced-genetic-nanomachine-engineering-magic fags!
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>>3871204
>(C89) [AERIAL RAVE (Jacky)] Seraphic Gate 3 (Xenogears)
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WHY WOULD YOU SELL POWER MAGIC AT ONLY A FEW SELECT STORES THROUGHOUT THE GAME

I FUCKING HATE YOU
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ELLY HAD ALL MY POWER MAGICS

AT LEAST GIVE ME HER SHIT BEFORE SHE GETS TAKEN AWAY

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
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>>3871637
tfw i saved all my Ether Drive for SUPERIOR girl
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>>3870670
But I mean, Abel's mother is never shown in the game (I think). So we don't know who Elly was based off of, if anybody, so I don't think there's some kind of Freudian shit going on. HAR created Elly as a mate for Abel and his incarnations to eventually free him from being trapped inside Deus. The "Fei/Abel/etc. wants to fuck his mother" just doesn't add up.
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>>3871993
>we don't know who Elly was based off of

Elly is Miang inverted, at least appearance-wise.
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>>3871996
Miang doesn't have a physical form, she's a computer AI that takes over women's bodies to carry out Deus' will.
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>>3872009
based off Miang #1 from the end of the opening cinematic, then
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>>3872016
wasn't she created inside the kadomony machine

iirc the only human survivor of the eldridge was abel
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It is always a pleasure to replay this game, never got tired of it t b h.
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I feel so...pained looking at this.
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>>3871951
>dat brown, exposed midriff
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>>3872023
Right. Abel is the only "real" human that ever existed on the planet. Not that Miang Type Humans are any less human...
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>>3871993
Was this ever explained? I know Xenogears has sameface syndrome, but it LOOKS like Elly.
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>>3872386
>Not that Miang Type Humans are any less human...
Aren't they all -Wels- but disguised as humans? Or did I miss something?
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>>3872394
I guess it's possible Abel is the captain's son. Does Perfect Works touch on it?
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>>3872415
But then Abel should be in the picture along with his mom and sister, right?
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>>3872407
Ugh, I'd have to go read the wiki to go figure it out.
>Xenogears/Xenosaga lore tied together

UGH. Xenogears worked a lot better without Saga. Saga jumped the shark hard.
>Jesus is literally a character

>Rice is older than Jesiah
WAT
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>>3872417
>>3872415
>Some fans theorize that Abel is Shigeyoshi Inoue's son, meaning the girl and the woman in the photograph would be Abel's family—possibly his sister and mother. Abel was searching for his mother and Kadomony may have chose the form of a similar looking girl, which would lead to the creation of Myyah Hawwa / Elly Van Houten.

http://xenosaga.wikia.com/wiki/Shigeyoshi_Inoue

The girl looks like Elly...the Mother looks like Miang...
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>>3872319
I liked the art style and the story is fun (if clunky). The battle system really need some added depth though, and is easily the biggest con of the whole game. The battle arena almost makes up for it.
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>>3872379
I was so enthralled by the story and overall experience of the game that I had fun with this dungeon
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>>3871026
This, Deus is a pretty cool boss fight with more strategic options than most other bosses.
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>>3872319
I'm playing through this game right now and I'm really fucking tired of all the cutscenes already. Which is a shame because when you actually get to play the game it's really fun.
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>>3872892
Isn't that the point of playing most rpgs? for the story? That's the main reason xenogears is famous after all, along with its god-tier soundtrack
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>>3872892
Use the fast text cheat code if you haven't already.
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>>3872916
This, the story it's the core of every rpg, there are a few exceptions but most rpgs are driven by the story
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>>3872916
Only a bunch of dilettantes in the genre will tell you that. It depends on the game, really. Like, who the fuck plays Paper Mario for the plot?
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>>3873104
Never played Paper Mario, but the appeal of most RPGs is certainly the fact that they're the most "artistic" video games. They easily have the best stories of all the video game genres with actual themes, and tend to have the best music as well. Case in point with Xenogears, and ditto for most other great RPGs such as the Chrono series, final fantasy, countless others. There's some exceptions sure, but you act as if the artistic qualities of RPGs are a niche in the genre, when it's basically what rules it
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Why don't they just rerelease this is a VN? Disk 2 >>>>>>>> Shit >>>>>>>> Disk 1
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>>3873316
>but the appeal of most RPGs is certainly the fact that they're the most "artistic" video games.
You gotta be baitin'.
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>>3868223
Seraphita being offsync is triggering my OCD.
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I'm loving kicking angel ass in my Omnigears. Wish all the Omnigears were available.
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>Emeralda did 99% of the damage to take down Deus
>didn't even get Fei or Citan to Hyper Mode

Maybe I gave her too much magic.
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>tfw Weltall-2 is better than Xenogears
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>>3873316
Bait.
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>>3873316
Visual novels have better plots than JRPGs, though.

Umineko's and Steins;Gate's blow any JRPG story away.
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>this thread has reminded me to read xenogears tentacle doujins for several nights in a row

hell yeah motherfucker this shit is 10 out of 10.
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>>3871413
The message sent by the captain before distinction might have something to say? Wild bionic intelect weapon has taken over drive systems on this vessel and is attempting to jump to prime planet we are self destructing DO NOT SEND ANY TECH THAT COULD BE USED BY IF TO JUMP.

Or something idk?

Talking of which isn't Elly based of the captains daugther photo he look at in his last moments?

>>3871993
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>>3871554
>Eva clone
kek,

Because gears are living and the protagonist is a whiny bitch and this game is so deep in comparison that is akin to a ocean compared to a fish bowl
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>>3872023
Where is this explained in game?
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>>3874165
Who ever found the part that allows xenogear to run with out fuel. One of the mechanics on the Yggdrasil talks about it? Best I could find was a small fuel tank with the best refuel kit proven is the tank is so small that x attacks almost empty it so it's shit.
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>>3874596
everything after eva had to be existential. xenogears is clearly influenced, as is PDS.
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>>3874664
xenogears was being planned and written before eva though, it dates back to ff6's development time at least, and was going to be the actual final fantasy 7
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>>3874734
Cloud mentions xenogears ehen he is recovering from mako poisoning.
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>>3874331
Those girls are NOT for sexual, sir
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>>3874903
Dude, Emerelda doesn't get tentacled, she IS the tentacle.
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>>3868237
Some identical twin of her fiance appears in Solaris near the end of the first disk. He like helps you get somewhere in the prison part of Solaris only to get vaporized or something.

I seriously have no fucking clue what the point of this scene or character is.
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>>3874607
It's not, but you can infer it from when Fei/Citan(/Bart?) find the machine near the end of the game (after they try to blast Deus but before you regain access to the world map).

>>3875016
He exists to demonstrate how deadly those ID scanner machines are so that it's that much more puzzling when Citan can get through them so easily. As to why they used the same sprite as Timothy I have... no idea...?
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>>3873346
>>3874235
You can mindlessly parrot "b-bait!" without supporting your claims in any way all you want, but it's the truth. What other game genres top RPGs on an artistic level?

>>3874254
>V-Visual novels!
What's the fucking point? Apparently there's an anime for steins gate that a lot of people consider superior to the visual novel, so yeah, what's the point? Might as well watch a movie or show, since they're closer to those than actual games
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>>3870069
he's super easy with the right setup

>Bart
>Sonic G-Whip
>Wild Smile
>Magnetic Coats

you might take a whole 7K damage on the off change that he hits you with a physical attack.
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>>3875016
>Tim dies horribly in all his reincarnations
>And it's always as an acquaintance of Fei's.
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So, I got so obsessed with this game I bought a copy of Perfect Works years ago, not knowing any Japanese and still don't. Not even 100% sure where it is anymore. Got to look at some nice anime tiddies though.
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>>3875147
Elly's god is the Wave Existence, Miang's god is Deus

that is essentially what Perfect Works says

Those nipples tho
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>>3875147
It's been translated online.
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>>3874903
who would think of doing something like that
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>>3873339
If this isn't bait you should literally kill yourself.
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>>3875075
I have a better set up

1 etherdoubler + 2 power magic and 1 E-circuit on everyone (also I equipped 2 etherstoneLG on everyone to boost the damage a little bit)

Fei and Billy starts with booster, followed with a constant spamming of Flaming hell and Jessie cannon

Bart uses Wild smile as soon as he can, next he uses booster and then joins Fei and Billy spamming his Yggdrasil cannon

I dealt 9999 with everyone and Alpha was defeated
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>>3875243
I like the idea he goes for, but it's damn hard to see where the body starts and the tentacles end. Porn needs to have clarity! I can't fap to what I can't see.
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>>3875523
>3 ether doublers

How long did you have to grind to get 108k that early in the game?
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>>3875523
Buy two before going to Shevat, the other one can be found inside the anima dungeon 2.
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>>3876347
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>>3876191
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What's their problem?
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>>3875070
>You can mindlessly parrot "b-bait!" without supporting your claims in any way all you want, but it's the truth. What other game genres top RPGs on an artistic level?
You're baiting, dude. There's no way someone past their teens would genuinely ever think this.
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>>3876645
They were this close to being sent to Krelian's underlings' sex experiments and Ramsus saved them.
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>>3876650
And yet you still don't know how to support any of your claims. Who's the teen again?
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>>3876658
I'm not refuting your statement, I'm dismissing it outright. Anyone who thinks RPGs are the best at any thing needs a reality check.
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>>3876665
And you thereby unequivocally certify yourself as a man-child who can't back up a word he says. Cograts.
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>>3873316
>Never played Paper Mario, but the appeal of most RPGs is certainly the fact that they're the most "artistic" video games. They easily have the best stories of all the video game genres with actual themes, and tend to have the best music as well.
I'm dismissing your argument because people who spout dumb bullshit like this tend to binge on that genre or have no clue what the fuck they're talking about. Best stories? When's the last time you heard someone praise games like the Dragon Quest series or Chrono Trigger for having a deep and meaningful plots? The vast majority of games in this genre either recycle familiar fantasy tropes in various combinations or spout a bunch of crazy bullshit like Xenogears, Chrono Cross, or some of the MegaTen games. I'll give the genre one thing: it's probably the best at handling world building when it's done right - but most games in it don't have the kind of writing to match their ambition.

Oh, and the music point is utterly stupid. Any game in any genre can have great music. Hell, some of my favorite soundtracks are not from JRPGs.
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Why was Fei "better" then id, when id, could pilot a gear without even being in it, he also could lift one handed the Yggdrasil without touching it. Just to be pwned by fai's crew later. Never in the game even when you get xenogears are you that hardcore. Sad desu. And is Graf = previous reincarnation of Karelian?
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>>3876773
Graf is the previous reincarnation of Fei
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I want more Xenogears, but every Xeno I've played since was no where near as good.
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>>3876924
Xenoblade's a better game, though.
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>>3876927
Sure, if you like offline MMORPG's.
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>>3876996
You clearly have never played an MMORPG if that's what you compare it to.
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>>3866909
>this is after ff7 was released in au where xenogears was banned

Nigga what? There were plenty of Squaresoft PS1 games that were never released in PAL territories. Xenogears is hardly the first or last.
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>>3867014
It still isn't.
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>>3877068
Never said it was the only one, just said I was so impressed with it that I got a ps1 and mod chipped it same day.

Btw it was released in pal and was actively banned by au gov citing religious reasons or some bs.
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>>3877068
and to clarify, most people wet their panties over ff7 when it came out, I was impressed with it sure, but not enough to pony up the $$$ for a ps1 at the time. less then a year later xenogears hits. Throws money everywhere just to get a burnt copy to play..
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>>3876728
What other game genre consistently tells decent stories aside from RPGs then you dumb faggot? Never played a dragon quest game, but if you can't even name another genre that competes with the stories told by RPGs, then my point still stands. And don't give me some visual novel bullshit cause those aren't even games

>or spout a bunch of crazy bullshit like Xenogears, Chrono cross...
Woah real compelling argument you got there.

And as for the music, RPGs easily have the best, and anyone who doesn't believe this is a delusional faggot.

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=Video+Game+Music&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=

This is the definitive chart for best video game music on the internet. Notice a trend? Oh yeah over half of the top 40/50 are RPG OSTs. Wonder why that is? Maybe because they consistently make the best music? Dumb ass
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>>3877182
>Btw it was released in pal and was actively banned by au gov citing religious reasons or some bs.

I find it hard to believe it was banned in AU but not US because of bible thumpers.

>>3877217
That was mostly due to the marketing, the budget of which was twice of that of the game. And I say this as a huge FF7 fanboy.
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>>3877485
Baiting again, as usual. This guy right here, man.
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>>3877737
believe what you want bub but it happened.
it was under the Howard Costello government at the time and they where pulling this shit, I remember posters that where at stores one week and gone the next as though they never existed. same thing happened with xenosaga 1 on ps2.
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>>3876927
I never got to play Xenoblade, but I did try XCX and didn't like that much. I have a Switch though so maybe XB2 will show some promise. But having just replayed Xenogears, despite it's "Disc 2 flaws", EVEN with them, the game was damn good.
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>>3877863
What the shit is this?
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>>3877769
Running away again when I ask for a video game genre that can compete with RPGs on an artistic level, as usual. You're a pussy, dude
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Who's your favorite girl /vr/?
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>>3878186
Dominia, thought she was a dude first time I played the game, no thanks.
Kelvena, boring.
Tolone, dumb as shit.
Gotta go with Seraphita.
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>>3878090
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>>3878186
I honestly can't even remember their personalities enough to say.
Maybe I should replay this sometime soon, its only been a year since I played through it and I've already forgotten half of the game, it just really didn't stick with me.
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>>3878226
Tolone is literally a robot, a genius
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>>3878310
I think she's only a cyborg, and I don't give a fuck about her gin 'n' tonic futon brain.
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>>3878090
Figureheads?
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>>3878148
Action-adventure can. The level and enemy designs and atmosphere outdoes RPGs on an artistic all the damn time.
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>>3878186
Seraphita > Kelvena > Dominia > Tolone
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>>3878186
Seraphita or Kelvena
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>>3878186
She was nice to Elly, but I'd like to hate fuck Dominia.
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>>3878665
>>3878631
Dominia > Tolone = Seraphita > Kelvena
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>>3878718
Do you want to be dominated by Dominia while she wears a strap-on?
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TOLONE A CUTE
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>>3879120
Visual designs and aesthetics aren't artistic elements to you?

Ugh, why do I even bother? You're clearly a troll.
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>>3875058
Fei actually remarks that the character looks exactly like Timothy and is perplexed by this resemblance.

You'd think the fact Fei points it out means it is somehow an important coincidence in some way, but it is never elaborated on.
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>>3878732
n-no
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>>3879934
Bunny girl is the leader, huh I always thought the Amazon was the leader.
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>>3879986
>>3879934
>Seraphita is the leader

WAT
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>>3879129
Visual design is a weak artistic element if it isn't didactic, which is clearly the case in enemy design. So yeah, you're clearly an autist
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>>3879934
>Seraphita
>leader

Huh? I always thought Kelvena was the leader, did I miss something?
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>>3879934
Bullshit
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>>3879986
>>3880175
>>3880586
>>3880621
Xenogears lore has a lot of these weird details that aren't illustrated well by the actual game. Jesiah's story and especially his plastic surgery are another of these things.
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>playable Margie
>bazookas

This makes me...sad.
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>>3881609
Except I meant to post this image.
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Why did Grahf save Elly?
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>>3880907
They are a good way to learn a second language, that's it.
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>save points are can be explained within the lore
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>>3882480
>ink ribbons
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>>3882480
Although this doesn't bother me, I always wondered why you/the characters still use them even after they know they're Gazel surveillance tools. For that matter, why do they still work after Solaris explodes/the Gazel are erased?
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>>3882239
Graf was in love with the previous reincarnation of Elly
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>>3882239
>>3882585
That and Elly is important to Krelian, who has a vague alliance with Grahf/Lacan.
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>>3882480
What if someone didn't use these save points? technically, The Gazel Ministry wouldn't be able to track Fei's group if they didn't use save points
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>>3882480
This kind of thing is in Chrono Cross too.
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>>3863574
I can't even remember anything but the most basic parts of the story anymore.
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What's the name of the purple haired woman again?
I'm horrendous with names, but she might be the greatest villain in videogames.

Really opened my eyes to the true nature of women with colourful hair.
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>>3885296
Miang, although the original Myyah sounds way cooler.
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>>3885296
Miang/Myaah

I like the fact that Myaah is part of Elly's surname backwards
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>>3885363
Yep, you're definitely a pretentious twat or a relentless shitposter. Good to know.
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>>3885558
Nice ad hommiem
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>>3885585
Not him, but he did say it was the start and depending on the age he was when he first ecounted might be a deciding factor. Point is that schools do not readily teach philosophy, and if this was his first encounter not with just one but multiple differing ones then he could have done a lot worse. If he just stopped there I would agree with You however although the platform of this game was main stream (ps1) I would be loath to say this game is the lowest common denominator as it didn't sell as well as much as a low common denominator game would have (before of course becoming the sleeper cult classic it is today)
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>>3885626
Please excuse grammar/spelling shitpoating on mobile
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>>3885616
Trying to have a legitimate debate with the likes of him would be a complete waste of time.
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>People trying to ""win arguments"" in 4chinz
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>>3886039
since the dawn of internet message boards there's always been that one guy that comes in to say this and bask insipidly in feeling like he's just pantsed everyone
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I love the Xenogears references in Xenosaga Episode III.
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the Vierge is CUTE
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best gear
best dril
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>>3882574
it just works
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*blocks your path*
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>>3878186
Margie
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>>3886813
El-Regrs looks better, too bad it isn't available outside of the battle arena
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>>3887156
That's a big gear
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>>3887541
What puzzles me about that part is how when Elly fights Krelian's minions at Golgotha, they could have very easily made it a playable battle. Like, they made battle animations for Sophia's gear and everything. Instead they did that "cutscene-within-a-battle" thing.
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>>3887504
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You hear, you lose.
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>>3887889
I see where disc 2's budget went. You can tell they had a lot of fun with this.
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>>3887889
GO GO ANGRY GAME NEEEERD
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>>3887632
You can play with El-Regrs on the Japanese version using GameShark

https://youtu.be/Z15qb1V_fq4
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>>3888569
>Citan with Xenogears

Doc, use your own gear. That "I left it with Gaspar" excuse isn't cutting it anymore.
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So, where is this?
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>>3889431
It's a visual aid representing Cain speaking to Citan telepathically.
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>>3889432
Doesn't Ramsus physically stab him in that same space later on though?
Did Ramsus kill him with his mind?
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>>3889437
Well, I think basically they just reused the only setting Cain is ever seen in because it's Disc 2, and that when we see him at that point it's the same basic concept as Elly talking to different people with a portrait of Nisan in the background.

Not that I'm defending it. It's sloppy continuity.
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>>3887616
For you
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>>3890647
>think she's the loli character of the game
>aside from her OP gear, that's all she's good for
>nope, an even better loli that can fight outside of her gear drops later

Being Maria is suffering.
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>>3890743
>hips 70cm
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