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>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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I'm new to the CRT master race. I got pic related and it has mono audio. Is there any possible way that I could make it have stereo sound? Any adapters required?
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>>4697336
Back in the day a 500$ purchase wouldn't have been even close to putting you in the "crt master race" category. Today a 50$ purchase does. And you still only managed to buy a laughable mono set that even peasants in '95 would have been ashamed of? You should open those large ears off yours and really ENJOY that 1-channel goodness. You deserve it.
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>>4697351
That hurt anon.
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>>4697336
pc speakers, and you might need an adapter or the right cord
don't listen to them, they're snobs
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Never Forget.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Orion-13-CRT-Color-Tube-TV-Television-Retro-Gaming-TV1329/323017375789?epid=1927404235&hash=item4b3556002d:g:OwoAAOSwIspaY8Ih is this a decent tv?
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>>4697401
>try to find a 14 inch PVM in your area

try offerup/craigslist/letgo/surplus sales


call recycling centers and news/tv stations

you will thank me later
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>>4697381
This is the real never forget.
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>>4697401
RF only, kinda small, I'd pass.
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So fucking hard to find a tv in South Florida. Everyone caught on with the retro gaming trend and are scalping the fuck out of them.
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how can a neet with no car or friends successfully obtain a crt? am I screwed?!
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Does anyone ever see people selling shitty tiny consumer crts that only have composite ports for like $100+
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>>4697517
Usually they'll be advertising how retro games look great on it also...
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>>4697502

A. Ask the seller if they can bring it to you.
B. You can easily carry a small 14 incher, even a 21 inch one but I wouldn't do that again.
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I have an RCA switch box for my retro consoles, but a mono television. Could I successfully hook it up without any problems?
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Local craigslist ad is listing this as a "video conference center" but the monitor on top looks like one of the bigger bvms, $50 apparently
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>finally get a hold of a good pvm
>order bnc adapters, and component cables for my wii and an s-video cable for my n64
>everything arrives on the same day, just have to pick it up
>smash the ever living fuck out of my thumb right as I leave to go pick them up after work

What the fuck did I do to deserve this? At least it looks nice, even if I can barely use it right now.
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>>4697556
Woah, a fellow wichitabro. I saw that as well.
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>CRT is fine at seller's house
>Be very careful getting it home
>Doesn't power up at all

Y-you too.
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>>4697459
Since the day I saw this post, bait or not, I still can't help myself but to laugh at it.
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So while sitting at the file select of ALTTP I noticed a minor discrepancy on my new CRT. The Link on the bottom file has slightly different vibrancy to his colors than the identical Link in the middle file, and if you move the file select fairy to the bottom file, a small portion of her hair becomes blue-tinted when it's not like that further up the screen. If this is a discrepancy in the TV it's not really noticeable in normal gameplay at all and someone less autistic than me probably wouldn't give a shit but I feel compelled to fix it if it's a problem. Doesn't seem like a problem that needs degaussing or anything, any suggestions? For the time being I'm stuck with lowly composite input if that makes a difference

Side note: I popped in DKC2 and that games looks absolutely beautiful with no miscoloration on any screen that I could personally pick out. That said it's in probably the best condition of all my cartridges, do you think worn connectors on a cartridge could cause problems with the image independent of the TV?
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>>4697595
Need to recalibrate it with some refrigerator magnets. Worked for me.
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>>4697625
Are you trying to trick me
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>>4697517
Yeah, and they are usually Zenith or Quasar sets or some shit. I'm on the verge of making faking email accounts to set up retarded pick ups at like 2am under a bridge.
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Who else has been playing on CRTs the whole time? I was even playing my 360 on a crt through component. I finally got an HDTV but still use my tubes for the old stuff.

Feels good, man.
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>>4697805
I bought a 720p LCD HDTV when Final Fantasy 12 came out and was super disappointed. I bought a Wii and then lost interest in new consoles. I actually got the most use and fun out of the hdtv by hooking it up to my PC and watching anime and stuff on it.
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>>4697486
Fucking clean bruv
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Where my Toshibros at?
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>>4697557
Just paying the toll. You’re not done yet though.
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>>4697583
Does anyone in this general know anything about fixing CRTs? A reply in my /diy/ thread directed me here.

>>>/diy/1363118
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What do I do if a part of the image is being cut off by the TV?
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>>4698167
fix your overscan settings if the TV has them. Otherwise you'll have to adjust the electron gun itself. Just google "fix overscan."
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>>4698220
Yeah I've been searching, TV's a trinitron but the universal service menu code for Sony CRTs isn't working on mine. I don't really wanna do the adjustment manually because I have no experience with these things and hear you can fry yourself if you don't know what you're doing, fuck. Far as I can tell only a sliver of the image along the top is cut off, I'll probably just deal with it til I'm comfortable messing with it
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>>4698248
you need an original remote for the code to work
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>>4698254
I got that, and it still doesn't work. Tried it several times, the code is to hit DISPLAY > 5 > VOL+ > POWER or just DISPLAY > 5 > POWER from the TV's off setting, nada.
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>>4698263
the code is
info (rectangle with i) > 5 > volume + > display (empty rectangle)
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>>4698267
Don't seem to have that button either, this is the remote
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>>4697556
get that shit
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>>4697486
>>4697486
Back around 2006 or so I got one of these from a university auction for free after a different buyer let me have what he was leaving behind.

I never did much with it because I needed to make an adapter to get RGB video working on it.

I sold it to a guy over the internet for $80 sometime the next year.

Back then these things ran like water. You could fill a barn with PVMs if you wanted.

Now I have just about no chance of ever owning another one of those now that I actually know how to use it right.

*deep, long sigh*
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>>4698254
>>4698267
Nevermind I found the problem, the remote is shit and I had to basically fucking punch the volume button to get it to register. But now the picture looks awesome. Wonder if I can fix this remote so that I can access the service menu more reliably in the future if needed
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>>4698387
make a dedicated button that sends a signal to all the relevant traces at once.
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>>4697351
rude.
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>>4697558
>>4698293
I got the monitor, and the video conference stuff (which I assume has adapters and cables with it) it's a pvm I didn't look at the exact model number.
It has rgb, and powers on good with no discoloration or weird flickering.

Guy wasn't sure what he had exactly.
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>>4698458
What size is it? Got any more pics? I'm curious.

Kinda regret not going to check it out when I had a chance to yesterday. Sorta jealous if that's a 20" which is what it looks like.
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which one, /vr/?
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>>4697381
>>4697459

The greatest things to happen to this board in the last while
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Did I do good?
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>>4698534
Bottom right looks the best overall and the lines on mario and yoshi are consistent
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>>4698534
bottom right, fuck shadow mask
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>>4698541
2/10
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>>4698545
that is a shadow mask tho
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>>4698571
But it's cute!
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>>4698475
It's a pvm-2530, so 25 inches I would assume.
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>>4698541
Yes, those are cute and portable.
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>>4698534
bottom left
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>>4698458
That was a lucky find, anon. You don't come across situations like that much anymore.
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>>4698582
bottom right is aperture grill, you can tell because the phosphors are arranged straight horizontally, not staggered
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>>4697351
Unnecessary rudeness, and not quite accurate prices depending on when "back in the day" you are talking about.
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Do hdmi to rca converters add a significant amount of lag? Also is is possible to get a 240p output using custom resolutions or will these types of converters only output 480i?
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I shouldn't be worried if the high-pitched whine from my CRT sometimes fluctuates in intensity, right?
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>>4698709
You sure that you don't have tinnitus?
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>>4698729
I might have mild tinnitus but that's not what I'm talking about, these TVs emit a whine and sometimes mine will randomly get loud. The sound is at a frequency that's apparently imperceptible to some people depending on how good their hearing is, but when mine revs up like it does sometimes I dunno how you could miss it
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Reminder to fall for the meme. Totally worth $250 more.
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>>4698606
i have plenty of pc shadow masks that look exactly like that picture
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>>4698742
you will eventually come to realize left looks better
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>>4698742
Is left using an RGB signal? Because it doesn't look like it.
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>>4698541
Does that take composite?
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>>4698764
left is consumer composite, right is PVM s-video
>>4698754
right looks better but not 50 times better
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Anything I should look out for or stay away from? I'm looking for a small ( < 20 inch) tv for games Vcr and dvd player combos usually suck right?
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>>4698817
>left is consumer composite, right is PVM s-video
So your comparison is invalid
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>>4698818
>Vcr and dvd player combos usually suck right?
yes
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>>4698832
if I gave them both composite, there would be even less difference
if I gave the right RGB, I'd have spent another ~$60 on the cable, just to keep chasing the meme
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Is s-video a satisfactory input? I don't know much about RGB modding or whatever
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The audio and video rca ports are yellow and black. What is that?
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>>4698867
left audio is normally white, however sometimes it's black (usually only if it's mono)
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>>4698851
If you don't give them both RGB the comparison is pointless.

Get a shadow mask monitor that supports RGB.
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>>4698854
S-video can look very good. Don't pass up a good monitor/TV just because it "only has s-video".

Minty s-video CRT > nearing end-of-life used RGB crt

there are a lot of other factors take into consideration too. Screen size and type makes a big difference.
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>>4698904
that wasn't what I was trying to compare
it's a $5 composite only junk tv vs a $250 PVM with s-video
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>>4698458
Nice find. Let's see some pics of it in action.
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>>4698541
I love these white trinis. Been trying to find one for a while now.
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>>4698661
>Do hdmi to rca converters add a significant amount of lag?
A frame or two.
>is is possible to get a 240p output using custom resolutions
No
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I just plain love CRTs
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>>4698945
>a $250 PVM with s-video
something about this phrase just rubs me the wrong way
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>>4698740
That can happen when the screen is displaying high contrast images, like white writing on a black bakground for example.
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Hey guys someone on my local craiglist is offering a Sony PBM Official Retro Gaming Video Monitor for $500. Good price?
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>>4699412
No
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>>4699412
at this point I would save up $100 and get 29" trisync crt arcade monitor
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>>4697351
>>4697336
Who the fuck uses tv speakers anyway? Hook your audio up through a stereo and make your neighbors complain.
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>>4697805
Me. I played up through around 7th gen on a crt because I was a poor fag at the time. Still use a crt for 6th gen and back now.
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>>4698284
Take it apart and use some electronics cleaner on the button contacts. Should work.
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>>4699532
meant for >>4698387
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>>4698817
>PVM s-video
>$250
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>>4697805
I played wii on a crt via component. That was the last modern console I owned, I play exclusively retro these days and have never owned an lcd hdtv, watching television is for brainlets
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lol
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What's with the weird lines at the top of my tv? Is it something that can be fixed?
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>>4700287
>>4700298
Damn what I wouldn't do for a PVM. Where does a man get one? The guide seems weird to me, just skulk around places like hospitals and TV stations until someone unloads one in your lap?
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>>4700287
>>4700298
composite or component?
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>>4698661
Maybe try vga
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>>4697058
Just pulled this bad boy outta my brothers old room, not sure if I wanna keep it or sell it.

Anyone got any info on these?
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>>4700597
Back
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>>4700597
>>4700602
FS series are some of the best, and that's huge and 4:3 to boot.
You're not going to get an appreciably better screen unless you spend a ludicrous amount of money and/or get a much smaller screen.
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>>4700615
My parents want it gone so either I'm gonna keep it or sell it. I don't really feel like lugging it to my apartment but I might throw it on Craig's list now and see if anyone bites for cheap.
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>>4697557
My deepest congratulations.
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>>4700615
Is the FS series that good? I have a WEGA KV-20FS100 and thought it was looked down upon because it's a WEGA, which typically have convergence and geometry problems.
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>>4700247
Dirty power going to the circuit/IC responsible for vertical deflection. The filter cap is going and needs replaced. I.E Bad Caps ™

>>4700787
FS is just Sony's standard line for the FD Trinny TVs; They're good sets, but as with any of the flat models, you have to worry about geometry weirdness. Convergence isn't something you should have too much issue with in most cases.
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>>4700817
Well my set doesn't have any geometry issues so that's a definite score. Mint condition too since it's been sitting in my parents' house
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maybe I should label things better
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>>4701951
The raw unfiltered graphics look so incomplete to me now.
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>>4698534
bottom right and top right are beautiful
bottom left is probably better looking at a distance
top left looks like one of my smeared oil pastel drawings
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got a ps2 to play ps1 over component, turns out ps2 model I have can't use the swap method to boot backups. I guess I can play some ps2 rpgs while I wait for my ps1 gameshark to arrive.
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>>4697336
https://youtu.be/TzG8Sty9veI
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I finally managed to find a 14" CRT in my area, but there are some minor scratches (more like tiny dents or nicks) on the screen. Has any one had any luck fixing these? Also, it's a Sharp CX-34G3, does any one know if this has an anti-glare covering? If it does, the scratches probably aren't even glass deep.
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>>4702167
Looks like it doesn't have a filter, or has a very light one. May be able to polish it if the scratches aren't too deep, or fill with similar density material.
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>>4702167
before you ask, no it doesn't work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOAAPmc_2k
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>>4697459
I don't get it
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>>4702269
Some poor sap tried using composite cables in component ports.
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>>4702232

Thanks, any idea what materials you can use? I've wondered if windshield repair kits would work.
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>>4702278
Not just that, he plugged the right audio connection into the video port. It just perfectly encapsulates the brainlet mentality of someone jumping on the pvmeme bandwagon because some chubby youtuber said “they have, like, better color and scanlines and stuff”
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Thoughts on the toshiba 14af42? I just got one from friend and i think it's amazing.
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>>4702416
WRONG!!!
Stop assuming I did it because of some shitty youtuber.
I saw the meme here to begin with and I wasn't even looking to get one. I was browsing the local eBay looking for a CRT so I can take a nostalgia trip and play some retro games.
As luck would have it I saw the one I got for 50€.
I knew they go for hundreds so I got it immediately to see how great the PVMemes are. I also saw it as an opportunity to learn something new.

Anyway laugh at me for the mistake I did. I deserve it for not informing myself better. But please don't spread false info.
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My CRT might be showing some mild ghosting. As things move across the screen they leave behind a faint trail, like a blur that quickly fades. It's not too bad and doesn't inhibit gameplay but it might be indicative of a problem or poor image quality, is it normal or what?
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>>4702830
It's a joke... no one cares if you literally watched a youtuber or not, besides I bet some people did try to get into the pvmeme because of some youtubers without doing research, it's an easy assumption. Seems like mostly a generic statement and not pointed at you specifically.

Relax.
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>>4702932
Sorry... I just got angered by the fact that I was thrown in the same pot with those kinds...

I'll go back into anonymity.
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>>4702957
You should really stop replying to people who talk about it.
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Would an rca to hdmi adapter work if I want to stream shit from my laptop to crt? I want to stream episodes of Hey Arnold and 90's anime.
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>>4703042
if you have an xbox 360 or ps3 they both output composite.component and support netflix/plex. works perfect
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>>4702830
>>4702957
go back to youtube pls. my life in gaming just uploaded a new video
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>>4703150
No, they haven't.
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>>4698304
>tfw looking up this monitor on google images
>leads me to an old /v/ thread a few years old with that monitor as the OP
>few posts down i see who i assume can only be you stating the same thing
>ftw you have been miserable this whole time
Im so sorry.
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>>4697557
>it's now monday
>still can't play shit

Fuck everything
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>>4703769
Sometimes that happens to me, but the pain doesn't last as much as yours does. Seems you smashed it pretty hard. What did you smash it on?
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>>4703830
A 10 foot section of railroad that two idiots at worked dropped while we were carrying it. My thumb is 4 times bigger than my other one. I just want the nail to hurry up and fall off.
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>>4703769
Looks infected. Did you go to urgent care?
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>>4703769
Wow, thats a good one.

>>4703860
>A 10 foot section of railroad
Be glad you got to keep it lol. I smashed my pointer & middle (right hand) about 12 years back. Forks on a pettibone literally smashed them flat. Emergency room rolled them back to "round" and there was "junk" hanging out of the side of my pointer where it blew out. I bet that feels as good or better. It was the first time I broke any bones, and between the 2 fingers, they counted 7 breaks....And not a single one was past the 2nd knuckle on either finger.

I still played CS:S every night, and it hurt. It will be a while until the bones heal. I would advise getting an xray just to make sure all the pieces are in the right place....Just from personal experience.
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>>4702890
I think it's pretty normal to varying degrees
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Is there a huge jump between S-Video and RGB? I have the opportunity to get a nice older CRT with S-Video for free but I was looking for something with RBG
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>>4703769
Disgusting. Never post this again.
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>>4704409
>Is there a huge jump between S-Video and RGB?
No. There's definitely a noticeable upgrade with RGB, but it's not as huge a jump as Composite -> S-Video.
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PVMs are just in general to small for me to really enjoy gaming on them. I found a nice 36 inch 480i xbr that looks great. Probably gonna sell off my two PVMs
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>>4704626
Damn, NEC XM29 is probably as big as you'll get. What size PVMs are you letting go of? Where are you selling from?
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>>4700629
If you sell it you will remember this mistake for the rest of your life anon.
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>>4704643
20 and 16 inch, it be in the Philly area. I'm not even sure the PVMs have a better picture then my xbr.
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>>4697583
you could be looking at a powersupply issue depending on what's actually getting power, or from being lifted maybe a cable or solder point got loosened up/broke off. That being said with how dirty they are just cleaning them off might help them, as dirt or dust could have moved and shorted some components out.

Your best bet is to start with either replacing bad caps (lol) and just assuming all your ic's are still good because unless there's a surge that killed anything they generally don't go bad.

But work on the powersupply first because that's your biggest issue atm. Next would be the circuit around the deflection yoke, because you might be getting power but if the electron gun is working but nothings "happneing" then it's just not displaying a full picture. Of course if it does turn on and the only thing you see is a bright dot in the center you'd want to immediately turn the tv off as that can burn the phosphor's in that area.

Generally you'd want to see if there's power getting to the main board, so just try a different socket, perferrably in a different room with known good ones, then listening for any transformer hum, because of the voltages it's getting it's easy to hear up close.

Past that I'm not much of an electrician, there's videos on youtube for doing basic diagnosing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZ5PJB-w2s&list=PLAC3CD6EF86D487DA

This guy's pretty great, you'll also get to learn about some other stuff about them.
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>>4702890

It is phosphor persistence most likely. You will notice it most on black backgrounds with high contrast stuff moving fast. Different crts have it better or worse due to the phosphors they use.

IIRC it is caused by the green phosphor not decaying as fast as red/blue, which is why you see the trail of light.
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>>4704717
What model is the 20?
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>>4704820
bvm-20f1u
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>>4697058
Wii games: Wii through component or Wii U through HDMI? Is there any significant downside to the latter?
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>>4699520
but anon, there aren't any youtubers out there talking about how cool and retro their audio setups are. How am I supposed to know I need to get one? I mean, my favorite youtubers told me I needed a PVM, so I got one, but they didn't say anything about audio...
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>>4704895
Calm down friend
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>>4704861
If a crt has hdmi its probably not worth keeping around
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I have a PVM 20L5 that I got for (relatively) cheap but it has a big scratch on the front of the screen. What’s the best way to buff it out without damaging/blurrying the screen?
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>>4700380
Ebay if you’re willing to drop some coin.
>but shipping will ruin it
Just verify that the guy isn’t using UPS. Freight shipping is preferable but FedEx Home/Ground is more than acceptable unless you’re getting a 30”+ model.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-1351Q-13-inch-Professional-CRT-RGB-Color-Video-Monitor-PARTS-OR-REPAIR-/202222432732

Is this actually broken or are they just not hooking the rgb up properly? it seems like the issue with composite might be from bad geometry settings or something, but idk

also what do you think a fair price is for this? Im definitely not spending 60$ for it, I already have a pvm that I got for 13$
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>>4704937
Guess I should have been clearer: component on a CRT or HDMI on an HDTV?
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>>4705118
Component on CRT. Wii games look like dire shit ran through HDMI
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>>4705118
Component on a 480i TV beats hdmi on modern TVs
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>>4704970
Composite problem sounds like they've got it in 16:9 or underscan mode, red green and blue retrace lines at the top of the screen are normal but usually cropped out when overscanned.

RGB input problem sounds like no external sync is being used, could be just them not pressing the appropriate button.

Possibly worth a punt but caveat emptor.
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Is there any fix for uneven pincushion? As in the left side of the screen had a more pronounced barreling than the right

Or is that a sign of capacitor problems?
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>>4705147
Could be horizontal bow?
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>>4704945
Partially remove the case/bezel, and remove the anti-glare sheet.

>>4705142
It could also potentially be said lines drooping down due to aging caps;
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Does significant underscan on a larger TV damage it in any way? Kinda want to see what mine would look like with higher pixel density
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is it worth picking up a BVM-d14h5u if it doesn't have any rgb/component card? Just composite im pretty sure.

Supposedly low hours. I'd honestly just pick it up to flip it and put that money towards a monitor with rgb/component. What do ya'll think?

Costs $100
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>>4705538
fuck no
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>>4705560
why do you say that
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>>4705567
>Just composite

you tell me, genius. actually, you know what? go ahead and buy it. it's a great deal! I'm sure you can trick someone dumber than you into paying 500 for it
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>>4705572
rip, it doesn't even do composite. Whatever board is in it doesn't do shit. I asked him if i could at least test composite and he said it wouldn't even work with that board.

I would've bought it and just sold it for 200 but its a hard sell if I can't even take a picture of it running a game. On top of that the bkm-12x is 200 bucks. Just a hard sell in general even if it only has 50 hours of usage on it
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>>4705142
lmao I guess my problem has been solved by someone else, the listing is now coming up as sold. Hopefully if it was someone here we'll see some good photos of it in working order
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For the anons in the thread with 8” PVMemes, have you ever encountered issues when outputting 240p?

The monitor seems to work well when I plug my PS3 into it, but my Nomad outputs a weird colored band as seen here. The PS3 and Nomad are both using third party cables.

Is this an issue with geometry/alignment? A cable issue? Or is this just a known quirk for some consoles and these smaller PVMs?
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>>4705616
Genesis/Mega Drive overscan border. It's normal.
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>>4705606
That would actually be me, Anon. Not exactly a handy person, but it was within driving distance and cheaper than the last PVM listing I found locally and missed out on.

I’ll put her through some basic troubleshooting tomorrow to see if the weird lines on the Composite output can be dealt with by some basic tweaks or if I’m going to need to look into getting the monitor opened up.

As for testing the Component, does anyone know if Wii Us are compatible with Wii RGB cables in the same fashion as Wii Composite? Would like a cheap set of cables to try and see if the RGB issues are due to bad settings and they’re about $5 if they work.
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What kind of tool are you supposed to use to adjust the pots on a pvm-2530? They're really deep inside these tiny holes in the pcb.
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>>4705616
Nothing wrong with it.
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>>4705648
glad a local grabbed it and not a reseller. I wouldnt have bought it anyways since the guy wasnt going to let me come over there to test it. The microcenter in fairfax has a vga to bnc adapter, which can be connected to rgb by combining the hsync and vsync with a y connector. you will almost certainly need to use crtemudriver crt_emudriver to output to the pvm from a computer if on windows. I believe there is something on linux that works but I am unsure
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>>4705658
A very tiny flat head screwdriver
I actually haven't opened mine up yet cause it's still downstairs and nobody wants to help me move it right now
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>>4705658
Something non-conductive for best results.

I bought a set of zirconium oxide trimming tools from Amazon.
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I JUST REMEMBERED I HAVE A 25" WELLS GARDNER ARCADE MONITOR IN STORAGE

It came out of the old Mortal Kombat cab I owned. It had a broken flyback transformer. That was something I didn't want to mess with a decade ago, but now I think I could easily replace it with my current level of knowledge.

I don't think I will be putting it in a cab. I'm pretty done with that concept. But I can build a wooden case for it and turn it into a nice RGB monitor.

Has anyone got a link to someone else's build that did the same thing? I know MAS used to sell such monitors in wood cases.
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>>4706014
also this was me
>>4698304

I actually might have a 19" monitor in storage too unless I sold it (I have owned several). It should be a GE or Electrohome monitor.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFhzGEBQlk

>Sony used to be the undisputed king of display technology

What went wrong?
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>>4706014
RIP if you die
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I'm going to try to run RetroArch on a PC monitor in 1600x1200 at 60hz. Any suggestions for shaders to make it look nice?
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Glad to see this bumped to the top of the list for this post.

I have a question/issue and know one of you has experienced it.

I have a GDM-Fw 900. I picked it up 12ish years ago, and it is still going strong. I scratched up the anti-glare coating moving the heavy son of a gun on my belt buckle....which is just a basic steel buckle...right in the center of the screen. It did not get past the glare coat.

It has been 3 months, and I was so broken hearted, I have been using some shit LCD (asus 144hz). I finally got tired of the inability of the LCD to do simple things like contrast & true black.

Any of you remove the glare coating? I am VERY diy friendly, but not electronics friendly. Any highly electrified components that are easily crossed with a screw driver? Did you enjoy the clean look?

I did manage to "buff" out the scratch using ISO alcohol...which only made it worse, so I tried to "smooth" out the whole damn screen... but now the screen looks like total ass....basically like it got drug across a beach.

I saw some online reviews and it looks like a 2/10 type of difficulty. I am just looking for some pep talk. Someone who has done this, please tell me its going to be OK.
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>>4706184
fuck you
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>>4706186
>fuck you
Hello to you as well friend.
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>>4706160
this is a CRT pc monitor btw
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>>4706184
I would do nothing. There are ways to remove the glare coating, but I had a XS-955 with a screen that looked like yours and when it was running and viewed straight on you couldn't even tell the difference.
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>>4706184
kek i like this post
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>>4706194
>this is a CRT pc monitor btw
I am asking a general question about period specific CRTs. OP seems to allow general discussion involving off topic.

>>4697058
>Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.)

>>4706197
>viewed straight on you couldn't even tell the difference.
I wish this was the case. It is blatantly obvious that something is terribly wrong. Not only does it looks awful, but looking at the picture of the screen through the screen looks exponentially worse. I am thinking about tearing it off, and having my local auto guy put a piece of anti-glare film on in its place.

>>4706202
>kek i like this post
Thanks?
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>>4706194
>this is a CRT pc monitor btw
Sorry for the response. I should have read your post, and who you were responding to. Forgive my insolence.
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>>4706208
>I am thinking about tearing it off, and having my local auto guy put a piece of anti-glare film on in its place.
If it tears off you should be fine. But under no circumstances should you attempt to rub it off, especially with any kind of brush or scrubbing pad. I ruined a good NEC Syncmaster monitor doing that.
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>>4706184
Plenty of people have removed the anti-glare coat of the FW900 even when in perfect condition for the purpose of "increasing vibrancy"(when in dark/low-light conditions).

You've probably already found the thread, but:

https://hardforum.com/threads/24-widescreen-crt-fw900-from-ebay-arrived-comments.952788/page-161#post-1036390264
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>>4706259
Were they sold without the coating?
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>>4706250
>But under no circumstances should you attempt to rub it off
I knew it was wrong, and did it anyway....Knowing that the final solution was removal.
>>4706259
>"increasing vibrancy"

I did find that thread, and honestly I still think I have some posts in it from a long time ago. I am just really bummed that this happened. A scratch right in the center of the screen really fudged it up. I thought I would try to make it bearable, only to make it much much worse.....quite possibly how others managed it. I can tell you that the "smooth" part of the screen has much better clarity then the rest of it already lol. I remember when this beast looked pristine. Picked it up for $50 but had to drive 2 hours to get it. Some engineering firm went belly up and I should have gotten all 3 from them, but was too stupid to see how valuable they were. I never really thought much about CRTs because I always had them. My first LCD is this 144hz 24" and I am not impressed at all. The first year I had it, it sat unused. I should have boxed this monitor up better when we moved, but I got lazy and figured nothing would happen.
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>>4703769
wow, plus you did the hot-nail-through-the-nail shit.
>lemme cause more damage to my injury, that'll help!
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I don’t know much about pvms but I have to get rid of my 27” triinitron. Is this a good pvm?
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>>4706729
Absolutely! Jump on the pvmeme wave!
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>>4706729
>going from 27” to 13”
Are you moving into a dorm or something?

The price seems steep for a local pickup, but people aren’t in the dark about what PVMs are anymore and a 1350 does do RGB based off what I can find.

I think if you really want a PVM it’s worth jumping on if it works, but it doesn’t exactly feel like a “deal” for that price.
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>>4706729
I have this PVM, its pretty good actually. It has RGB, about 2 composite inputs and an S-Video, although no component. It has mono sound though, and 450 TVL. Although to be honest I really don't see a difference with many of the stuff that gets posted here. If you'd like you I can get take a few photos with some RGB consoles I have an a composite NES.
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>>4706845
https://imgur.com/a/Hu4dZ

There, although I think I didn't really do a good job with the pictures, they really don't do it justice to what it looks IRL.
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>>4706868
Also I forgot to mention, SNES is over RGB, NES is over composite.
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>>4706868
mate, clean your lens....
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>>4706924
Phone camera, it's kinda busted to be honest.
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>>4706958
your lens is smuged with skin oil, I know, I had the same results once when I tried to wipe dirt with my thumb
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>>4706968
Is this any better?
https://imgur.com/a/U29eJ
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>>4707040
it is actually
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>>4705648 here who picked up the for parts PVM. Don’t have time to figure out the service menu right now since lunch break is over, but decided to give an initial rundown for any amateur technicians who might recognize what these screen glitches are for things to try out tonight.

All images are from Line B composite after hitting the degauss button and verifying underscan button wasn’t pressed.

Here’s what it looks like on blacks

(1/3)
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>>4707131

Here’s what it looks like on whites

(2/3)
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>>4707134

And lastly during normal gameplay
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is ths PVM any god im new to the scene
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>>4707142
forgot pic lol
guy is aksing $250 is that a good deal
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>>4707143
Is this satire? That is no PVM
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>>4707131
Vertical deflection issue, probably related to bad caps.
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>>4706250
>If it tears off you should be fine.
>>4706259
>Plenty of people have removed the anti-glare coat of the FW900 even when in perfect condition for the purpose of "increasing vibrancy"


This was hands down one of the easiest "mods" I have yet to do. In addition, the screen looks totally different. I was able to turn down brighness and the clarity of letters and words is astounding. After talking with the wife, we suspect that this has been with us 14+ years. I can see now why so many have done it, and I feel like an idiot for not doing this sooner. It came off without an issue, and left no trace of adhesive behind. It was a bit tough to get it started, but once I got to pulling it was simple. 20 minutes from start to finish. WEAR GLOVES IF YOU TRY THIS! The glare coating screen has the thickness of a placemat at a restaurant, and the edges cut. I managed a large "paper-cut" grade slash in my finger from pulling at the edge too hard. I have various gloves, and the "cut resistant" rubber coated ones gave me better grip then my sweaty hands.

10/10 Would do again.
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>>4707162
Trolls like this post all the time.

There is one image that makes rounds of a person plugging their composite-RCA into BNC connectors. Obviously fake but the anti-PVM people are too dense to notice.
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>>4707168
I've seen it a few times. I didn't realize it was a fake, I thought it was someone who genuinely purchased a PVM without knowing about RGB connections.
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>>4707168
It's not fake, the dude keeps coming in these threads getting angry at people everytime it comes up.
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>>4697351
dude
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>>4707143
hell of a good deal. jump on it quick before it's gone!
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>>4706746
I wish I could find a 20” trinitron but no luck

>>4706806
I’m moving into an apartment for the summer but the problem is it weighs so much and there’s a shit load of stairs to get to where I will be living. Also it won’t fit in the next place I’m moving. I’m pretty sure the capacitors on one side is dying out. I really loved it though feels bad to dump it.

>>4706845
Thanks for the info. Guess I will just do S-video for ps2 now. Mono only is disappointing though.
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Getting a 1944Q for $300 this weekend. Falling hard for the meme, I know. Anyone have some good PC speaker recommendations? Looking for sub $40. Are there any brands that are always shielded?
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>>4707249
Yeah, mono only is kinda disappointing, although to be honest, I just use some PC speakers instead of the monitor speakers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFtIKv2s0Q
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PVM 1390 for sale on ebay as "for parts or not working"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183160436554?ViewItem=&item=183160436554

I messaged him and asked him to clarify and he said :

>Nothing happens to the screen and lets off a continuous mild static pitch

I assume going by the other items this guy has for sale he is intelligent enough to provide a video signal and change inputs. Otherwise I would think he's expecting an OSD (it doesn't have one) and the "mild static pitch" is simply 15khz whine.

I almost think he's trying to sucker me into buying it with that description. Hmm, I guess I will pass. If anyone from /crt/ buys that I'd be interested to know how it worked out for you.
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>>4707167
How does the image on that rate compared to other CRTs you've seen? compared to LCD/Plasma?

Have you tried playing modern games on it?
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This probably isn't the exact place to ask this but i'm looking to start some LPs (many of them retro) and I was wondering if there was a good capture card that can do Composite/Component/HDMI all in one.
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>>4707663
luckily for you i already tried figuring this out. pic related is what you're looking for, it does composite, svideo, component, and HDMI. I have to say it looks pretty shit no matter what settings I tried. But then again i was trying to record melee which is odd i guess because it was 480i but 60fps. Idk i ended up selling it for a profit.
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>>4707669
>looks like shit

Not exactly what I wanted to hear lol. Maybe seperate cards or taking the hit for a framemeister is the best bet.
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>>4707681
desu it looked good for ps4 stuff. Just a little degradation in picture quality but everything was pretty smooth, tested it out with wolfenstein new order.

it'd probably be good for 240p stuff too, just for some reason melee looked like shit on it. backgrounds were completely pixelated and character models looked like shite.

Framemeister would probably be pretty neat since it upscales
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Behold the mighty KV32-S42. Amazing screen and it's a curved tube. Shit looks so ca$h just with composite. Best part, it was free. Don't get me wrong, pvms/bvms are amazing but not worth the price theyre going for now. I have a PVM-20M2U and enjoy the 32" consumer set more. 20" is a bit on the small side for having friends over and shit.
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>>4707508
Dont. I messaged him before he had it listed as Not Working. He previously had it listed as used. Asked him a few questions about it. Told me he never tested it before said it would be a few days before he could. Got
back to me and said screen wouldnt display anything along with the high pitch whine. That was about 3 months ago.
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>>4706036
The LCD race to the bottom.
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What is the model number of the only black style trinitron that has component?
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>>4707515
>How does the image on that rate compared to other CRTs you've seen?
I have only used Sony CRT tech over the years. I had a 22" 4:3 sony that I had way back in the day that this replaced, and wish I had not gotten rid of it. It was an amazing 1600x1200 display. Never used a plasma display, though wish I did. I have been shopping for a 720p plasma big screen, but I don't know squat about the technology.


I was screwing with the Nvidia control panel last night, and I think it accepts 240p/60hz input. I may look into VGA games that work with it. I may hook my wii up to it.
As for "modern" games....It is hooked to my PC. It took some shopping around, but apparently the GTX 9XX series of Nvidia cards is the last to support analog output. Games look amazing.

In the last 14 years, I have been using this at various resolutions and refresh rates as technology would allow. 1280x800@100hz was a common gaming resolution for counter strike.

LCDs are junk in comparison. They try to relate to CRTs by claiming they have "refresh rates of 144hz" but I think its a marketing gimmick. I bought an Asus 144hz monitor a bit over a year ago, and It just doesn't seem as good. small text is certainly more clear, but overall it doesn't seem as smooth. Vsync gameplay does not compare. It seemed to suffer from screen tearing as well. It is hard to compare to 2304x1440 @ 90hz vsync'd.

Everyone says this is the best CRT ever made for PC. I figured this would happen....I am spoiled rotten now. I won't know what to do when it dies or cannot be made to work with current tech. GTX 960 has some power with it, and may outlast this monitor. I only recently upgraded from a gtx 260, and my the rest of my PC is 10 years old with ddr2 & quad core phenomII. The most modern games I run on it are Stalker Shadows of Chernobyl Dark Souls & borderlands 2 on occasion. Dark Souls looks AMAZING with proper modification.
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>>4707787
shhh
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>>4708043
>240p/60hz
That's going to be out of range for the FW900; You're going to need ~30khz as the minimum horizontal frequency for it to recognize it, which would either be 480p60 or 240p120. If you're considering emulating or what have you, 480p60 with some filtering may be preferable(to some) as 240p will have stupid thick scanlines.
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>>4708087
Wouldn't 2304x1440 60hz be the best candidate for shaders/filters?
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>>4708065
They look amazing with a fairly simple RGB mod too
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>>4708101
quiet damn you
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>>4708101
>>4707787
delete this
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>>4708094
Adding unneeded extra lines of video. 480p (or potentially 960p) with a scanline filter of sorts as well as some horizontal blurring if wanted would get you pretty far. 960p is you want to have a bit of extra control over said scanline thickness.
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>>4706290
You do realize that most doctors do the exact same shit to alleviate pressure right?
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>>4708104
>>4708106
I must be too new to appreciate this meme. What's he on about?
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Just picked up a PVM for cheap on eBay, I plugged my Super Famicom into it via SCART and found that it looks as though either the image or the screen itself is crooked, leaning a few degress counter-clockwise.

I think maybe it got banged around during shipping and something fell out of alignment, is this something I might be able to fix?

There's another issue where the image has a general horizontal 'jitter' to it, but I've not been able to test any other consoles so I don't know if it could be the monitor, the console, or the cheap SCART cable. I'll be able to post some pictures later.
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>>4707508
>>4707793
God I hate this, he should be giving it away to somebody who can take care of it. I would message him to tell him a broken tv is not a $120 item, but I'm sure it won't have any effect.
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>>4704746
Thanks for the reply Anon. I took a look and sadly can't find anything actually wrong on a visual inspection. I managed to get a split second of power after reseating everything but that was it.

God fucking dammit.
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>>4708829
Mmm, I've seen some cases where a CRT wasn't powering on or off consistently and it was due to a cracked PCB, some of the traces were "cut off" and only making contact when the CRT was in a very specific position, you could check if there is anything of the sort, if that is the case then making bridges over the cut traces could do the trick.

I really really doubt that capacitors could be your problems if it did power on when you went to pick it up, most likely physical stress managed to break something loose.

As >>4704746 said, try to see if power is getting at all from the power board to the rest, a multimeter would do the trick.
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>>4708662
You can try rotating the yoke, but it can be tricky. When you move it, in any direction, the convergence an purity will start to shift. This means you need to do it while the set is on, with a mostly white grid pattern on the screen. But PVM's are often packed with boards and cables so you may need to make room inside because you don't want to touch anything but the yoke. Some of it is live, and some of it you don't want to bump.

Before you start, make sure to mark the position of the yoke, the convergence rings, the landing magnet, and any of that other weird stuff Sony clutters the neck with, and take a lot of photos.

DESU i'd say you should go out and get a throwaway consumer CRT, size irrelevant but not a sony, and practice on that after watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmrrf5hiYQI

Then maybe even get a Trinitron because sony's are a bit harder. And then the PVM.

As for the jitter, than can be a bitch. After trying a few different video sources and signal types, if you find the problem is persistent I hear C592 is a likely candidate to replace for this in PVM-13/14/19/20/M series models, which all use similar deflection circuitry. After that, get the service manual for your model and a multimeter and start thinking.
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>>4708662
welcome to the meme. you still have a lot of money to spend on your cheap pvm.
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I'm buying a 32" Trinitron. Are there any obvious things to look out for on larger models that could indicate it isn't in good condition.
I have never owned a CRT this large before and am under the impression larger sets are prone to faults.
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>>4708865
Thanks for the tip, I came across the concept of rotating the yoke after googling it but couldn't find much info on actually doing it. I might just put up with the skewed picture rather than risk blowing myself up though desu.

Regarding the jitter, a 50/60HZ switch-modded Master System II I won on ebay arrived today and I tried that - no jitter.

I'm thinking it's either the cable itself for the Super Famicom. I know Japan uses a different sort of SCART - could it be a problem that I'm using a Euro SCART cable with a Jap console?
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>>4709295
>could it be a problem that I'm using a Euro SCART cable with a Jap console?
you need the appropriate scart cable for NTSC consoles...
In a pinch you can use a Gamecube cable but even that isn't totally correct
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>>4709295
Using proper NTSC SCART cable should work allright, I use cheapo off from ebay and it seems to work just fine on my set with Super Famicom.
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What's causing the wavy lines in the top part of the picture? I tried adjusting the geometry but none of the adjustments can correct it. Is it a bad capacitor? There's also the fact that the geometry on the upper third of the screen is slightly more stretched out vertically than the rest of the screen. This monitor only has pincushion and vertical/horizontal center/size adjustments as far as I can tell though.

Also, not sure you can tell in this pic, but the top right corner is slightly discolored and degaussing doesn't work. What can be done to fix that?
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is rca any good? i know a bar owner who basically needs to throw
some out.
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>>4709450

Generally those sorts of purity issues in the corner that aren’t fixed by degaussing are due to how the yoke is positioned. It could have come a little loose and either isn’t pushed firmly enough up against the tube, or its rotated to the left or right a bit too much. You’d need to open the CRT up and fiddle around with it l

The wavy lines at the top are a horizontal alligenment issue. What settings adjust horizontal position? On my arcade monitor there’s a pot that, when adjusted too far left or right, causes those wavy lines at the top to spring up. I don’t know what the equivalent on a consumer CRT would be though
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>>4709495
This is a PVM-2530 and all the adjustments are internal. I did try adjusting the horizontal position, but that doesn't make any difference. Stretching out the horizontal size makes it a little better, but then the problem is that the vertical geometry gets more fucked and can't be corrected with pincushion.
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>>4708706
Someone who can repair it can resell it for $300+. $120 is a fair price in the current market, and I bet it will eventually sell.
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>>4709468
take it and see for yourself. if it's unsatisfactory you can always redonate/trash it yourself.
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>>4709468
If it has RGB/Component it's always worth getting.
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>>4709765
some places you're supposed to pay $50+ to trash a CRT
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>>4697805
I played my 360 on an old Panasonic CRT from the early 80s until it finally took a shit on me in 08. Played all my games on that tv growing up, sad day when I had to trash it.
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>>4709428
>>4709318
I'll look into it then, the cable I got was just a generic Nintendo multi-out on one end and a non-specified SCART on the other end. The PVM in question actually has a Euro SCART input rather than using breakout cables though.
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>>4710029
Put it in tate you coward.
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>>4697058
I just bought a Commodore 1084 and hooked up my PS1 to it but its in black and white please help
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>>4707163
I figured, have been looking into some shops to do a cap change, though the first one I ran into initially refused thanks to not having a service manual to it. I've since found a copy online and am waiting to hear back if it'll change their tune or else if I'll need to try again with another place.

Manual in question for any fellow anons with a PVM 1350, 1351Q, or 1354Q who either need to get theirs looked at or open them up themselves.

>https://elektrotanya.com/sony_pvm-1350_pvm-1351q_pvm-1354q.pdf/download.html

Will be leaving updates as developments come along, though for now the fixer-upper is sitting dormant in my entertainment center.
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>>4710029
>xcuck
>xcuck 1
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>>4710107
not that anon, but an imported 360 is one of the best ways to play a lot of good shmups (both /vr/ and modern) so shut the fuck up your mouth
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>>4710107
the 360 is for cave shmups the Xbone is just an empty box.
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>>4710142
that shed you're living in seems maximum comfy somehow
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I doubt I'm the only person who finds the fact that the pvm 2530 has speaker wire connections... bought a cheap magnavox stereo at dav today to steal it's speakers
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>>4710171
damn it... I meant that it's super convenient
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>>4710159
I'm not living in it silly anon, its a shop on our land that i'm attempting to fix up.
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>>4710171
Yeah, a built in power amplifier on your CRT is good shit.
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>>4697351
>$50 for a PVM
get real, dude.
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>>4710171
The fold-in sony speakers that are designed for it look a lot nicer though. Audio from them is great too.
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>>4710236
He was most likely talking about consumer sets but yeah
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>>4698817
>PVM s-video
What are you DOING?!?!?!
Fucking SCART that shit
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>always wanted to get a PVM 1910
>just thought it looked really cool and would have a nice image
>was about $100 on ebay a year ago
>posted some pics of it here and there talking about how nice it is
>current price: $436

I've let them get away from me, the older PVMs people used to not care as much about. I waited too long saying "I'll just get it in a little while, I need the money for something else right now".

I'll tell you one thing tho: I ain't saying shit about the -other- ones.
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>>4710238
I actually personally don't like the look of those... also I got my pvm from a guy who didn't know what he was selling, didn't have original speakers, even though he had like an entire video conference kit attached to it
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>>4710265
also the magnavox speakers actually somehow match the look of it better
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>>4710271
>SSBM on Wii
>not 20XX
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>>4710289
I don't actually like melee that much... my little brother wanted to play it that afternoon
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>>4710289
20xx isn't even good for just playing though. it's made specifically for training solo, grinding specific scenarios.
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>>4710297
The AI is better than vanilla and my friends aren't any good so I spend a lot of time just playing infinite CPU games on it.
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>>4710271
Hey since you also have a 2530, can you take a look at my post here? >>4709450

Do you know if there's any way to adjust the geometry so that the top half of the screen is more uniform with the bottom half? It's hard to tell in that pic, but the squares in the top half are slightly more vertically stretched than the bottom half. And did you ever come across anything like the waviness you at the top of mine?
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>>4710310
I have the exact same issue, haven't opened the monitor up or really adjusted it yet. Sorry.
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Been playing earthbound recently and have sarted to have this wierd fading issue.

For whatever reason, the picture keeps becoming paler with a greenish tint while I'm playing. Left is what I'm talking about, right is what I've got it normally set at. It sort of just fades to the picture on the left randomly.

Any ideas? It's a PVM 14M2U.
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Is there any problem with using a widescreen crt in letterbox mode? Will it distort the signal?
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>>4710345
Depends
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Any Chicago bros know of any CRT repair shops that would RGB mod a Sony Wega?
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how do i get an rgb signal on my composite only tv? Pic related is what it looks like.
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>>4710434
They'd charge you $300. Cheaper to just buy a RGB monitor.
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>>4710480
That TV is cute as fuck. I like it anon
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>>4710091
Did you plug composite into s-video(Y/C)?
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>>4710173
Pics of the outside. I always wanted to build a little shed/clubhouse and put video games and stuff inside but I'm worried about thieves.
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>>4698817
you're pretty retarded just from this post desu
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>>4710289
eh no biggie not playing 20xx although i prefer it
>>4710290
your brother has better taste than you
>>4710297
pretty much, although i don't even use it for grinding stuff out despite getting down my perfect ledgedashes. Its just nice to play with a friend cause you skip result screens and such.
>>4710302
>AI is better
questionable. I really dislike playing the AI because they're just programmed to refresh invincibility on ledge. Makes playing them very boring because you always know what they're going to do. Also creates bad habits for you since you get used to playing a cpu. I prefer just going into training mode and smacking around a dummy cpu.
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>>4697058
hey guys, im out of my depth a little. I am looking for the best vga monitor or tv to use for a game gear that has a vga out. Thanks any help would be appreciated.
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>>4710480

AFAIK it would have to be modded to accept RGB input. There is a thread on the shmups forum about that, but its over my head skill-wise.
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>>4710672
>it would have to be modded to accept RGB input.
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>>4710484
Cool, that's a fair price. Oprah, Jerry Springer, Steve Harvey, and WGN got rid of their PVM/BVM monitors or updated to modern LCDs in the Clinton era.
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>Tfw too stupid to RGB mod
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My monitor has a set of switches on the back that switch between 75 and 2k ohms. When I press it to the 75 ohm setting the screen gets much brighter and the colors smear until I turn the contrast down. What are these modes for?
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I just picked up a lovely 32" trinitron and am now going to keep my old CRT permanently in tate mode. Are there any non shmup 16 or 32 bit console games that use tate? I know a lot of early arcade games like Contra do.
I fucking love tate.
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>>4710357
Is there anything I can read up on. I just got a gorgeous widescreen crt and will be using it in pillarbox mode most of the time. Do I need to worry about burn in?
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Thoughts on XBR? Just picked up a KV-36XBR250. All 240 lbs of one. What are some good settings to adjust in the service menu for better geometry?
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>>4711264
There are old threads on avsforum that have good information about all that.
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>>4697805
I had just a CRT my whole life up until Christmas 2016, when I got a 4K TV. And now I'm using Retroarch with CRT shaders to get back to that old feeling. Wish I could find a good smaller CRT around here.
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>>4710330
capacitors getting old. My 14m4u also has color fading issues.
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Are CRTs completely safe to handle once you've discharged them?
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>>4710092
As an update to this, I found an outfit that will change the PVM's caps early this week. The price to repair it will come out to a little over the price of getting it in the first place, but it's still a bit under the price of buying it from an eBay reseller.

Will post updates as the repair goes along and show the state that it's in afterwards.
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>>4711737
no but just be careful. Keep your elbows on a grounded surface and you won't die.
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>>4710505
I was using composite, my monitor has only composite and some weird TTL RGB plugins
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>>4707787
We have curved black Sony Trinitrons for free here too. RGB, 60Hz, etc. All sizes.
It's pretty common in Northern and Eastern Europe.

>>4708101
RGB mod? You're not in SCARTland?
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anyone have a flying fuck of an idea what crt this is? this is all i have to go by.
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Finally got an Extron 160rxi to fix the sync problems I was having in the last thread and it just made worse. Awesome.
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>>4712654
not the kind you want unless you plan on using it for 360 and ps3
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>>4712696
just because it has hdmi?
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>>4712729
hdmi, usb, spdif optical. it all says hdtv.
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>>4712696
Please continue to post this idiotic opinion so I can hoard these monitors for the future.
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>>4712682
It's some kind of professional monitor, but I don't think it's a BVM. It probably supports 1080i/720p/480p/480i. 240p mode might not be supported.

RetroArch + shaders would look 99% identical to a PVM/BVM when set up properly. It's also good for a myriad of other things.
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>>4711165
>Do I need to worry about burn in?
Nah, I don't think you're going to be leaving the thing on in attract mode for thousands of hours are you?
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>>4712862
enjoy hoarding huge and even heavier than usual CRTs which are beat by plasma displays in the one fucking thing they do.
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>>4712889
I'll take the plasmas too. You can tell people those suck as well because muh no 15khz
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>>4712895
?????
I never said it sucked. I said if you're not planning on using it specifically for 720p content, which this is not the board to discuss, then you wouldn't want it.

Keep being a retard though, it's entertaining to watch.
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>>4712903
>I said if you're not planning on using it specifically for 720p content
>imblyning that's all they are good for
you just keep on brother
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>>4704670
Well I'm not gonna sell it. I moved it to the apartment today and hooked up the PS2' only problem is that a prong broke off in the video 1 slot so I can't use s video, gonna try and get it out
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>>4712921
So it's regular component cables now
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>>4712919
enlighten us on why an hdcrt is so good for 240p/480i content. I'm genuinely curious why you think this.
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>>4712919
I'm new to this CRT thing myself but it's my guess that CRTs bogged down with HDMI ports and digital interfacing probably experience a shitload of interference and thus lowered picture quality.
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Are Sanyo's any good?
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>>4712926
Prong broke off in the yellow input, needle nose pliers can't grab it, anyone had this happen?
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>>4712940
Nah, I'm done explaining to people. Handholding is what turned all the collectors and casuals on to this to begin with and drove up the prices of 15khz CRTs. I'm not doing that again.
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>>4712978
is the prong solid or hollow?
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>>4712998
>Secret club shit
Yeah, what an unthinkable thing that other people might take a genuine interest in your hobby. Just admit you have nothing
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>>4713010
If there was some kind of private discord I would possibly talk about this stuff there. Not only this topic but a few others of interest to CRT collectors.
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>>4713015
What's the difference? Who would comprise such a discord? Do you really think bandwagoners and fad followers would be spending a significant amount of their time in CRT threads on /vr/? I'm pretty sure most people here are genuine enthusiasts like you
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>>4713031
quit feeding him. it's just a fucking troll.
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>>4712940
>>4713031
>>4713015

There's no real secret to it at all, and it has been discussed on previous versions of this thread several times (sometimes by me). Any high resolution CRT can be combined with scanline filters and shaders to get an image that is a very close match to what you get with a nice RGB production monitor.

I spent a long time fooling around with 240p@120hz modes with PC CRTs for years before I finally accepted that there is indeed extra motion blur in that mode, and after that I took other anons advice and started using higher resolutions @ 60hz.

I've owned lots of different RGB monitors over the years. Today I visited my CRT junkyard/graveyard to check up on my Wells Gardner arcade monitor. It's still in decent shape by virtue of being in a different room.
pic related.

By anyway, I used to own different RGB monitors too before fate took them away from me, and now I have to make due with a 19" PC CRT and a 13" composite video monitor (and my LCD monitors). And I can tell you that in 1600x1200@60hz with Retroarch + CRT aperture.cgp shader on the image looks almost identical to what I used to see on my AM-3501R in true 240p60. I mean it is really, really close.

You could get something that looks very much like one of those Sony BVMs if you took a high resolution PC Trinitron (or any other good monitor like some of the 21" Viewsonics) by this same method. Only caveat is you have to do emulation (until someone figures out how to scale and apply filters to incoming video signals with a PC capture card).

How would this do with a 1080i HDTV? I wish I had one to test it with. I would assume pretty well since 1920x1080 is plenty of pixels to work with, but interlacing may come into play in fast moving action.

I think it's possible some day a person could figure out how to change the firmware or OS on some of the HDTVs so they can display 240p natively. That's beyond my level of technical knowledge.
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>>4713058
(cont)
I think if someone could hack the HD Sony Wegas it would probably involve desoldering a ROM chip somewhere inside and replacing it with a different one that tells the CRT what to do with video signals and doesn't scale 240p into 1080i/540p or whatever. It may be possible to turn these into true multi-sync monitors. Again, that's beyond my technical knowledge.

I took this pic a while back of my PC monitor running with shaders.
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>>4702830

Just FYI, I don't think many people think less of you for the mistake, it's just fun memeing it to death. Everyone has to learn and start somewhere.

I'm too embarrassed to even mention my misadventures of sync here.
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Going through all my old CRTs was kind of surreal since I haven't been back down there in a long time now. There were some in there I forgot I had, like a 19" Emerson television with a flat screen. It might be an aperture grille design, maybe a rebranded Trinitron made to lower standards. It does support s-video.
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>>4713073
Reminds me of when I didn't understand why plugging component video cables into the back of RGB monitors with a PS2 gave a green screen. "Why is it green?!"
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>>4712682

The extron needs csync (not composite video sync). Looks to me like you need a sync stripper.

http://retrorgb.com/sync.html look at the heading Sync Strippers.
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>>4710253
"other" ones? I bet I know what you are referring to. The brother to the PVM series: the CVM (Color Video Monitor).

CVM's lack RGB inputs, and instead have television tuners, but otherwise are nearly identical to the equivalent PVM model. And they are much cheaper.

If you're running in 240p and have something that can produce a very good composite video signal such as a Gamecube the image will look really good on one of these. In the smaller size CRTs and sitting back a couple of feet the difference is negligible.

In the future these will probably start to become popular when all the PVM/BVM units have been recycled or found their way into the hands of people who don't want to get rid of them. Then people will start modding the CVMs into PVMs.

There are CRT projectors out there too that I have noticed not much exploration has been done with.
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>>4712654
>>4712682
Also I was mistaken and thought these two posts went together.

The back of that TV looks like an RCA CRT HDTV. Weird that it has HDMI and VGA together. Usually you'd see DVI and VGA, or HDMI and DVI, but not HDMI and VGA.
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>>4713009
The prong is solid

I read that I should use a needle heated up and then push it into the plastic and someone else said to use superglue, I'd rather not take it apart but I will if it's the right way to do it
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>>4713105
I actually got it working now. I was missing a resistor on the sync cable.
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>>4713065
I took a better photo of a different game.
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>>4713180
This happened to me years ago and i think i used part of the "tree" from a plastic model kit to pull it out.
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>>4713180
The tiniest dab of superglue on a toothpick would probably pull it out, then you would be able to scrape away whatever glue remained after it hardened.

Alternative is to very delicately solder a thin wire to the prong and then pull it out.
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Has anyone here managed to get a CRT monitor (31Khz) to run properly on retroarch at the correct resolutions/aspect ratio of arcade games?

I followed a guide to get 240p running on the CRT and it worked, however there are issues when running games that aren't exactly suited for this resolution (pixel stretching). I've read online about setting the CRT to a super resolution like 1920x240 or 3840x480 and let the aspect ratio make the image fit, thus erasing any issues, however I don't know how to do this. Any help would be appreciated.
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>>4713065
>and replacing it with a different one that tells the CRT what to do with video signals and doesn't scale 240p into 1080i/540p or whatever. It may be possible to turn these into true multi-sync monitors. Again, that's beyond my technical knowledge.
Without redoing a decent amount of supporting circuitry, it's not really doable.

You could perhaps get around all the processing and get a native 1080i/540p screen that will do those resolutions with no delay what so ever, but that's a bit more of a niche use case, I feel. Might also have a lot of trouble actually getting the geometry and such looking right, with all the processing they have going on for that.
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How are these later Trinitrons? Thinking about picking up since it’s free and my Philips CRT has horrible overscan so hopefully it would substitute as a good replacement. Anyone have any experiences with these models?
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>>4713323
Another picture
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>>4713323
They're great. Honestly there is not a whole lot of difference between the consumer trinitrons and pro grade stuff when it comes to 240 lines of video and a clean signal.
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>>4713113
lol no. he is talking about professional quality monitors of different brands. Sony wasn't the only company that made good monitors.
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>>4713345
I think people pretty well know about NEC, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, and JVC monitors since those have RGB connections too. But I haven't seen much of anyone digging into the CVM series.

I gave two of them to a thrift store several years ago. I wonder where they ended up...
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>>4713113
CRT projectors have a big community, they even have custom expansion chips for some projectors to get hdmi input,
the thing is though most people into them are home theater peeps.
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How good is a Trinitron KV-27S42?
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>>4713582
It's great.
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>>4713634
I want to RGB mod the one I have to get the most use out of it but from what I'm able to find on it, it's one of the better consumer sets to have and I really don't wanna fuck it up with my inexperience. Doesn't help that the guides to RGB modding I've found so far seem to assume a level of knowledge from the reader I don't have. Think I should keep looking til I find a really comprehensive guide and practice on some lesser sets off of Craigslist or something?
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>>4713350
>I think people pretty well know about NEC, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, and JVC monitors
Ya, and unfortunately they also know about ikegami, which may be even more expensive then Sony counterparts
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>>4713673
>Doesn't help that the guides to RGB modding I've found so far seem to assume a level of knowledge from the reader I don't have
I wouldn't even start it in that case. Just save up some money and buy a different RGB-ready CRT.
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PVM 1944Q or 2030? I love the YPbPr compatibility on the 44Q, but is the 2030 in any way spec-wise superior?

Also, 19/20 models have the same size screen, right?
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>>4713065
Not possible, you'd need to replace most of the horizontal deflection section, and most of the video processing too if you want lagless.
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>>4712875
Of course not. Even the late model Trinitrons are nearly twenty years old at this stage though and I worry about every little thing though.
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>>4712654
>HDMI
It's a HD tube, widescreen, also suffers digital processing lag, even over composite.
Good for anything component or HDMI, shit for composite.
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>>4707787
Nice. Sony consumer tubes were always nice.
When you have a remote to access the service menu and SCART for RGB, it makes a PVM pretty much redundant, specially at their sizes.
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>>4713184

Makes sense, when your image is fucked like that it's usually sync. I've had all sorts of sync issues and it gets pretty easy to tell if it's sync or something else. Glad to hear you got it working.
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>>4713323

Pretty good units. They are heavy as fuck if you get the larger sized ones. I have a 4:3 and a widescreen one. They weigh over 250lbs each for the ones that are like 36".

They have a little strange geometry near the corners. In 240p test suite they will trigger autism, but in game the geometry issues aren't really noticeable.
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>>4713184
>csync (not composite video sync)
C-Sync is Composite Sync
I.e. when you have a VGA monitor that does 15kHz you use the Composite line for C-Sync (connected to H-Sync as it doubles as C-Sync input), old of old workstation monitors did that
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>>4713350
That's because CVMs are shit and not anywhere near as good at PVMs. The line count is bad and they don't have RGB. You're better off with any newer consumer TV with a higher horizontal resolution.
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>>4714314
Stop muddying the waters anon.
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>>4714316
Muddying? Just making it clear that C-Sync stands for Composite Sync, the Sync signal that's carried over Composite (H+V Sync = C-Sync).
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>>4714319
Indeed. However referring to it as composite sync confuses n00bs.

Sticking to C-Sync and Composite Video as Sync makes the distinction nice and clear.
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>>4714337
You shouldn't threat n00b's like babies or they will learn things wrong or have future problems understanding things
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>>4714338
I agree but having terms like "composite sync" and "composite video as sync" just makes matters unnecessarily confusing at pretty much any level of understanding.

Just look at how many people here cannot even distinguish between composite and component...and those only share the first five letters!
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Anybody here have experience with Sanyo TVs?
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Provided I am only playing Japanese region games is there a problem with using a 100hz Trinitron? Its in 60hz when playing NTSC games so I should be avoiding the typical problems of 100hz and games look great and have no input lag to my untrained eye. I still have my 21" Philips so I have tested them against each other.
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>>4714141
if that's your pic then I'm jealous of that osborne
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>>4714315
The line count doesn't really matter for our purposes. 500, 600, 800; you're dealing with 224 visible lines in most situations. You're not going to lose any detail.
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>>4714579
Correction: between around 384-256 visible lines.
I'm always forgetting TV lines are counted from side to side.
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>>4714001
With new advancements in emulation it may become possible to play some games with less lag than the original system. In that case the HDTVs that had 1 or 2 frames of lag might become more relevant again since the emulator can compensate for it.
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>>4714102
>Even the late model Trinitrons are nearly twenty years old at this stage though and I worry about every little thing though.
Just remember at the end of the day it's just a tv. Worst cast scenario you completely ruin it, but even then it's not any big loss to your actual life.

Play your games, burn the fuck out of your monitor if you want. If it happens, it happens (it won't).
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>>4714579
False. A tube with hypothetical 300 lines wouldn't be able to display a 240p signal.
240p is 480i with every other line missing.

For 240p you need 480 visible lines.
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>>4713873
The 44Q is a lil better. They both have the same size screen, but the 44 has a higher tvl than the 2030, and the 2030 doesn't support component.
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>>4713673
>>4713775
I agree, on a set like that s--video will be nearly identical to RGB. Just pick up s-vid cables for your systems.
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>>4714568
It's just a Osborne 1 though. Wish I'd come across a Executive.
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Recently got a PVM, Sony PVM20NE6, loving it so far. So far I've only been able to hookup my SFC, getting cables in the mail for my other consoles next week.
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>>4714437
Anyone? I was under the impression 100hz sets should be avoided but this one seems to output NTSC signals at 60hz and looks fantastic. I 1CC'ed Revenge of Shinobi and Icaragura to check for input lag and didn't notice any.
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>>4714703
>20 incher
*chuckle*
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>>4714715
It's really the perfect size, wouldn't go any bigger even if I could.
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Just got a pvm 2530. Anyone here have one? Its pretty awesome
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>>4714740
yeah sure keep telling yourself that
no way you would turn down a 32 incher for example to enjoy games from your sofa instead of staring down the screen with your nose against it to see anything

even 32 inches is small to comfortably play from a nice distance to have the best picture
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>>4714748
36" consumer master race reporting in
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>>4714748
Have you ever even handled a 32" PVM/BVM in real life? Those things weigh a fuck ton and it's a real hassle finding a place to put it.
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>>4714751
now we're talking
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>>4714760
not an excuse
anyways, enjoy your 20 inches
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>>4714747
I do, waiting on cables though, it looks good through s-video though, and even composite surprises me
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>>4714770
Haha, sure.
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>getting a PVM to use S-Video or Composite
Half the thread is like that... I can see the excuse to use them if you're American like most of this sites traffic is and you don't have access to RGB on consumer sets. But why even get a PVM if you're going to stick to composite or s-video anyways?
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>>4714751
>>4714748
This.
>b-but smaller monitors have better convergence and geometry! muh patterns
I don't care
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>>4714785
Because some doofus on youtube has one and they want to be like their idol
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>>4714685
You're confused. Common retro resolutions are 256x224, 320x224(or 240), and 384x224.

If a resolution is 256 pixels across then a 300 TV line CRT will be be able to fully resolve all 256 different pixels in a line from one another from the left to right (don't worry about vertical resolution, that's different).
>240p is 480i with every other line missing.
This is not true, and not even that related to TV lines since it has more to do with interlacing and the vertical resolution. Old consoles drew the same two fields on top of each other during each refresh cycle, instead of interlacing them together. No lines are "missing".

Best example I can point to about this is actually in the real of HDTVs. The famous Sony KD-34XBR960 with a Super Fine Pitch screen can still only resolve 1400 lines of resolution, even though it is an HDTV and supports 1920x1080i resolution. (the cheaper HS-420 units without SFP tube could only resolve 900 lines).

500 lines is plenty until you go over that number of pixels in a row. 640x480 on such a screen wouldn't be making the most of that resolution.

If you play CPS2 games on a REALLY old television or monitor with less than 384 TV lines then you would actually be losing some visible details.
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>>4714785
it's worse when the thing only outputs composite and s-video and they don't have the chance to upgrade
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>>4714870
Here's another person who has explained the concept, and I think this part is also worth mentioning

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/5vao6l/so_if_most_displays_are_limited_to_480i_what_is/

> What this means is that while an image may have 704 discrete pixels on a line, a lower TVL screen may only be able to resolve the equivalent to 500 of these, or perhaps only 300. This doesn't mean that information is just lost, only that it is blurred together horizontally. You still get the same image on the screen as a higher TVL tube, it's just not clean, crisp, or sharp. Fine details may be lost, but the bigger picture is still there.

All of that said, TVL should not be used directly as a conversion of what horizontal resolution a CRT can actually resolve, rather only an upper limit. In reality, a 500-550TVL tube will be able to resolve 100% of a said 704x480px frame. As you go up from there, the additional TVL count will make each individual "pixel" easier to identify from the ones on either side of it, and as such giving the appearance of an even sharper screen. With this increased TVL count comes electron guns which are able to focus tighter and tighter to make use of said increased line count, which leads to the extremely thick scanlines that 800TVL+ PVMs and BVMs are known for.

As you go up in TV lines you will get an image where each pixel starts to become more defined into an actual square or rectangle. Some people love this effect, personally I hate it. I look for CRTs that have just enough TV lines to resolve everything, and no more. This gives a softness and "fullness" to the image without sacrificing any actual details.
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>>4714896
lol I just noticed that was kya that posted that
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So I jokingly bid for pic related today and won it for 30€.
So I guess I can join the PVMasterrace.
It's a PVM-14N5E
Is it any good or should I sell it to someone else?
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>>4714960
it doesn't have muh rgb so you might as well record yourself throwing a brick into the tube
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>>4715003
Money well spent then.
I'll just sell it to someone else if I don't like the picture on it. Should arrive sometimes next week.
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>>4715013
honestly it's still a pvm so composite and s-video will look good on it. a consumer set might end up having a better comb filter though so I'd stick with s-video if you can.
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>>4715015
It's 14 inches apparently so I could keep it on my desk.
I'm gonna wait for it to come and test it out to see if it actually works or not.
I will post pics when it arrives.
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>>4715003
"It doesn't have RGB so it's worthless"
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>>4714693
I don't suppose you lurk /mspdt/, do you?

>>4714785
>>4714873
If you can get it at a good price, I see no problem at all with using a PVM(Sony or otherwise) that maxes out at S-Video. They still produce a great picture, and if you don't have any need for going larger than 20'' or so, it's a really safe bet on getting a quality set.

Getting something that's RGB capable and not using it for such is absolutely a waste though.

I will say people using RGB monitors and only using composite are being purposefully stupid though; You can get a nice picture from composite if you've got a set with a nice comb filter, and professional monitors don't bring that to the party by design. PVMs can get you a nice picture from a (already decent quality) composite signal, but upper end consumer stuff is designed explicitly to make it look good.

>>4714913
hue.

>>4714960
The $40 asking price is pretty good for that model, and so long as it's not completely destroyed, it'd be a quite nice little set to mess around with.
It'd take a bit of work, but you could potentially look into modding(upgrading, really) it into an 14N6E; The boards inside and even the case itself are all shared with the N6 which has RGB.
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>>4715319
I highly doubt I'll luck into a RGB capable replacement board for it (at a good price) but I'll keep an eye out, thank you for the tip.
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>>4715351
>replacement board for it
That's not quite what I was suggesting.

The N5 and N6 both use the same exact case and same exact PCB inside. The difference is that the N5 doesn't have all the parts installed in it that would make it an N6. If you are feeling handy and can do some electronics work, you can order the missing components and simply install them yourself. From there, you just remove a certain resistor and the monitor thinks that it's an N6 and for what it's worth, at that point it essentially is.
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>>4715356
Sounds like a lot of tinkering. I havent played with electronics in years (did a short course on it)
I'll look up on what I need exactly and the difficulty level.
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>>4697357
in the arrrrrmmmss of an angel
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Hi, /crt/. It's the fixer-upper Anon again. I decided to test the RGB input before sending in my 1351Q in for repairs tomorrow so I could give the technicians a rundown of what was going on, and much to my astonishment it actually produces a picture in component mode beyond what the eBay listing said.

That said, while testing with my Wii U, I ran into a strange resolution issue involving 16:9 and 4:3 inverting resolutions with the Wii RGB cables I was using. I was able to reproduce the same effect with a 8042Q I also have lying around. Has anyone else had something similar occur to them with Wii component cables? If so, what wound up being the culprit?
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>>4715459
And as a follow-up, an example of what it does when Wii U is set to output to 4:3
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Best switch to use for getting multiple s-video inputs to my TV?
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>>4715459
>>4715479
Setting it to 16:9 assumes it's either being fed to a 16:9 screen or something with vertical compression to letterbox the raster. If you feed this to a 4:3 screen and don't make use of said compression, you get a fullscreen picture that looks too thin/squashed.

Setting it to 4:3 bakes in the letterboxing since it assumes the set doesn't have a 16:9 toggle (said vertical compression) so that the menus and such are displayed in the proper aspect ration. This also cuts the effective vertical resolution for 16:9 content to ~360px rather than the 480 (both interlaced) that it would normally have.

What you'd preferably want to do is select 16:9 from the Wii U, and then press the 16:9 button on the monitor. This will give you the correct aspect ratio, but without the loss in vertical resolution.

>>4715386
I don't have the link on me, but I'm pretty sure there's been a decent amount of talk on how to do it on shmups.
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>>4715559
That gives me a good starting point. Thanks.
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>>4715559
>What you'd preferably want to do is select 16:9 from the Wii U, and then press the 16:9 button on the monitor. This will give you the correct aspect ratio, but without the loss in vertical resolution.
It looks perfect... for a late model LCD. Would any other portential settings or defects be preventing it from full screening under these settings?
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>>4715630
Wii U system menu(and all the software, I believe) will only run in 16:9, so unless you have a widescreen tube, you're gonna be stuck with letterboxing in one form or another.

Load up the vWii and mess around with aspect ratio settings in there. 16:9 should give you the same effect as with the Wii U, but setting it to 4:3 should give you a proper full screen picture. Or at least I believe it should work like that; I haven't messed with vWii in a while, and it may piggyback off the aspect ratio set in the Wii U portion, and require you to set 4:3 there in order to get fullscreen from it.
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I'm still thinking about buying one of the smaller 16:9 BVM monitors. I've always wanted one and I don't think they're going to get any cheaper now.
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>>4716086
There are no "smaller" 16:9 BVMs. Just the D24, D32, and their A-Series counterparts. Anything smaller that looks like it's 16:9 (like the D9s tend to) just have a 16:9 mask on a 4:3 tube.
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There's a PVM-1343MD for sale on ebay. $250.

You don't see the white medical grade ones as much.
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$95 Sharp XM-3100
https://www.ebay.com/itm/182796622532?rmvSB=true

RGB Input...
"As is" though
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>>4716202
likely from the early to mid 80s. Not worth it beyond the novelty. That guy has been trying to sell it for years now, nobody cares about it.

Also Ikegami is better than Sony prove me wrong
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>>4716202
>likely from the early to mid 80s. Not worth it beyond the novelty.
The novelty of having an awesome looking image?
Nobody cares about it because it doesn't have the three magic letters in its name, and because the seller has described it "as is".

However, that doesn't matter if someone buys it and it doesn't work. He's selling it as used. On ebay that means it works and if it doesn't he has to take a return.
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>>4716317
the image won't be anything particularly noteworthy. You can find many other professional monitors with more options, better picture, and with less failed capacitors. It'll be novel but not a great set for a daily driver.
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>>4716331
The fact it is probably a coarse pitch shadow mask is appealing to me. The degauss button is useful too.

If I had it I'd probably stick in a cocktail cabinet.
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>>4716337
>shadowmask
so is almost every non-sony professional monitor. Get a TM14-17R, they're common, built like a tank, and have a far better picture than a set from the early 80s.
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This seems like the best place to ask, though not really /vr/ related. I'd like to watch older cartoons/movies on my crt. What would be the best way to go about this? I've heard about people converting VGA to composite on AMD cards. Any solutions to getting component or svideo from an intel integrated chipset that also has VGA? Or would a pi be a safer bet?
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>>4716348
ps3 or wii, component 480i, stream from your PC. original xbox works too if you wanna transfer a lot of 480i/p things to play back in XBMC.
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>>4716367
Tried my Wii, had issues getting video to run from usb. SD isn't an option and I'm unaware of any FTP clients. If you wouldn't mind, do you have any suggestions on what software to use? I don't own an xbox or ps3 anymore.
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>>4716376
wiiMC (can stream from your PC), Wiixplorer (ftp for transferring files), and MplayerWii.
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>>4716378
Thanks!
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>>4716131
There is at least one model of 20" 16:9 PVM though, to be fair.
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>>4716584
Forgot pic.
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>>4716590
>>4716584
I'm aware. It's also harder to get a hold of than the BVMs.
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>>4716650
They crop up fairly regularly here in the UK, and relatively cheaply too.
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http://r.ebay.com/4VT6Co
>BNC RGB clone card

Okay, own up. Which one of you is selling this?
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>>4716849
Apart from the unusual size and good selection of input options it's a very mediocre tube. Low TVL and it wouldn't surprise me if it's the same tube in that one sd 16:9 consumer trinitron.
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>>4716935
There are many SD 16:9 consumer tubes ranging between 16 and 36 inches anon.

It still ticks most of the boxes for faggots round here regardless.
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>>4716979
I would use it for panzer dragoon zwei 16:9 mode and saturn bomberman 10-player mode only. Otherwise trash.
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>>4716313
>That guy has been trying to sell it for years now, nobody cares about it.
Rather ironic considering it is more "accurate" than the aperture grille CRTs that are popular now. Especially in terms of 80s arcade games.
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>>4717259
that's why pvmeme is a thing, it's not ikememe, panasonimeme, or jvmeme. TM/HTMs, BT/BT-H's, and TM-H/DT-V's aren't well known.
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So I have an old arcade monitor. It's rigged in some mame travesty cabinet but still has the jamma connector. How does one go about hooking a console that outputs RGB to the arcade monitor? I'm not all that concerned about the controller, I just literally want to hook up my console to my arcade monitor. I've already bought into the pvmeme and such, so all my stuff is either rbg over scart or bnc.

Is there any kind of standard for the signal voltage from jamma PCBs? Will I need a video amp, or can I basically plug it in? I don't really need spoonfed, but I'm hoping someone has done something similar or has a site that talks about it. All I'm finding are old shit from <2004 where people don't even understand that consoles can output rgb and argue the rest of the thread about that.
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How much should one pay for this? I assume not PVM prices
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I have high hopes for upscalers and QLEDs eventually being better than CRTs and am using that to justify not owning a backup. Am I being foolish?
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>>4700287
they have a bunch of these stacked in my university lobby as CCTV monitors

probably completely fucked since they're on 24/7 but still makes me jealous
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>>4717717
if you can afford an upscaler and QLED tv then you can afford to replace your crt without having a backup readily available.
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My grandmother has a 29" Phillips CRT television she's had in her living room for about a decade now. I've always coveted that damned TV.

It's an aperture grille design. It supports component input. It's not an HDTV.

It's 29". One of the very best, if not -the- best sizes for a CRT, and the most common size you'll find in Japanese candy cabs.

I have offered to give her a new HDTV in exchange for it. But she refuses "I don't need another TV" and "I don't care about HD" is her reasoning. Then she will say she barely watches TV anyway.

Meanwhile I am shitting it up with composite video.

Pic related. Hers is identical except black.
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>>4717840
Most of the amazing images posted in this thread and on other places of the internet come from monitors that were surplussed from situations just like that. Don't underestimate the longevity of a CRT.
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>>4718004
Just wait for her to die.
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>>4718019
I'm going to look like a massive sperg explaining to my family I want it because of video games.
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>>4718028
Just take it from the old feeble bitch
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Anyone give their CRT a nickname?
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Anybody have a recommendation for a universal remote that would get into Panasonic, JVC, Sharp CRT service menus?

I have remotes for my Sony and Sharp and a few other tvs, but the other Sharp and JVC and Panasonics I don't. They mostly need rotation to their picture.
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>>4718064
"Bessie" for the big one. Haven't named the small ones because I'm not nuts!
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>>4718004

Have you not heard of craigslist or garbage pickup day, thrift stores etc. These things are everywhere, why wait and beg when you could get one for under $40 all over the place?
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>>4718106
They were semi-common a couple of years ago at the latest. Have you been to these stores lately? You are not commonly finding sets with slot masks and component video in that size anymore.

I go to thrift stores, peddler's malls, and flea markets all the time and I have found one comparable CRT this year. Last year I found 2.
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>>4718115

They aren't as common for sure, but craigslist and facebook marketplace has them. You might have to wait a few weeks to get one with component, but they do exist. If you don't get one now, imagine how much harder they will be to get in a couple more years.

Hell, put an add in a local newspaper. Old people still read the paper, they may give you one or sell it super cheap. Remember, crts are "junk" to most people now, older people either don't want to or can't physically move them. They may be very happy to have you haul off their junk.
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>>4718124
>Remember, crts are "junk" to most people now,
I'm not sure this can be considered true anymore.
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>>4706184
>>4718064
^The beast. I know its not "retro" in the sense here, but is my only CRT that is named. I also have a Samsung 4:3 which I just call "The Tv".

>>4718115
>Last year I found 2.
Finding them with component is getting harder and harder. I will buy every one I can with "DVD" hookups. 2000-2004 models seem to have component connections, and they were never mass produced. My samsung is a 20" and has everything needed. Component, composite and Svideo. It looks great, and I don't know much about the grill inside of it. Its a tx-r2035. I always liked samsung tvs. >>4718127
>I'm not sure this can be considered true anymore.
Prices on craigslist are going up. You can make a few bucks buying a nice one and reselling it if it doesn't suit your needs. I sold a shitty emerson last year for $60 profit just because it had flat glass front and svideo. It had a really good picture, and was in great shape. Having the remote really adds to values for resale.
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>>4716870
I'm the one that made the card
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>>4717636
60-100, it's as good if not better than any pvm in that size range. lots of input options too.
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>>4697058
would anyone here know whether a old school vga monitor or a flat screen vga monitor would be better when using a game gear with vga out?
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>>4718405
The one without fixed pixels
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Got these today, all of them need some work, but I'll be able to get them going again.
anyone happen to have the manual for a JVC TM-R14U?

Apparently the guy on bottom right supports up to 1080i
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>>4718093
Seconded for a good universal remote option.
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The dates in this thread on shmups are not right.

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43256&sid=8dcf9a3b33e21f87d2b00563865ff901

It says the thread was started October 16, 2012, but it was no sooner than October 2010.
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scanlines too thick?
just shrink your h and v size bro
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>>4718028
are people actually embarrassed to tell their family stuff. If its a close family member i pretty much have no shame and will talk about all my gay CRT wants and needs or about how i shit myself as a kid etc.
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>>4718521
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Some of my Saturn games that I play on my CRT cannot fit the screen. Is it something I need to change on my TV, or is it just a bad burn?
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>>4718984
Some saturn ISOs were patched for amomorphic widescreen. Is it possible you are using one?
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>>4718989
I have no idea. Just wanted to play some Deep Fear (PAL) on my NTSC Saturn.
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>>4718994
Load the iso in an emulator and test it there if you don't have another tv.
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>>4718994
Theres your problem.
PAL resolution is slightly bigger than NTSC.
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>>4718989
Amomorphic would still fill the whole screen, it would just squish the graphics, not expand beyond his screen.
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>>4719016
How do I go about putting this on?
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>>4719041
a few saturn games dont need patches like nights and zwei. you can turn widescreen on in the game's options.
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>>4718093
>>4718505
Logitech Harmony
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>>4718004
Tell her the new tv is bigger and easier to see, if she can't see for shit she'll like that
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Were these monitors any good? Used to have one growing up, but my parents threw it out years ago. They are trinitrons made by sony.
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>>4719475
Yes, it is a very good monitor.
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>>4718994
The graphics are probably pushed into the area under the bezel (the plastic border around the tube). Not much can be done about it.
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>>4719525
So there are no patches to fix that?
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>>4719721
There is a US version of the game that was unreleased you can download at the iso zone.

http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/other-consoles/sega-saturn/deep-fear-unreleased-ntsc-darkwater-release/
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>>4719203
>Logitech Harmony
I actually own one but it is a 2012 or so model. Can these actually get into the service menus on most CRTs?
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>>4719521
Damn, that sucks that they just threw it out. I think it was the 20" version too.
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>>4719736
Mine is older than that I think, 785 iirc.

You can generate codes and macros for pretty much anything able to be controlled via infrared. Hell I switch my Extrons with it.
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>>4719801
Yup, 2008 vintage. Got it brand new in blister pack at a charity shop for £5.

Get yourself on remotecentral.com and go wild.
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Found a 27" Samsung TXK2754 laying on the side of the road with a hand-written sign that says "IT WORKS." Took it home and it does! I now have a CRT for the first time in 10 years. Now I need a place to put the damn thing!
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What is SCART and why should I use it? I live in NTSC btw.
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>>4720165
SCART = SHART
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Old Trinitron Monitors an honorable mention?

I also have a Gateway GP6 400 that still runs Win95 decently(out of view). That is gonna be my emulator machine, even after gutting it with new components.
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>>4720202
vga monitors are totally within the realm of this thread even if 99% of what we talk about is consoles.
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>>4720202
More than an honorable mention, I wish there was more discussion about them.
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This might sounds like an oxymoron but are there any thin CRT displays?
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>>4720283
thin-ish
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>>4720470
THINNER
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>>4720470
>>4720580
Oh, thank you!
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>>4720594
you don't actually want one. they're fucking terrible for focus, geometry, and convergence anywhere but directly in the center. this is why PVMs are so deep.
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>>4720612
I'm just trying to think of a good one that I can put on a movable cart type thing so I don't have a giant box in my living room
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>>4720624
Bang&Olufsen would be perfect.
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I've recently come to the conclusion that a decent big consumer CRT is the way to go for retro gaming. I have a few PVMs but mainly used a 20 inch Sony. Went out hunting for a bigger CRT to use when playing light gun and fighting games when I had friends over since it was silly playing light gun games on a tiny screen. Found a 36 inch 480i Sony XBR flat screen with component inputs for free locally. After using it for light gun and fighting games I have since unhooked the PVM and moved the consumer set at my main TV. Outside of some geometry warping because of the flat screen (think I can get it better after I replace the caps) it looks great. Not going to say it's sharper then the PVM but the colors are the same for sure. Even on S video, from like 6 feet away on my sofa looks great. If I didn't already have 700 bucks into scart wires and switches i'd just go S video on everything and be happy. Anyone got some model numbers of 480i curved sets with component inputs? I know Sony made a few like that.


Pic sorta kinda related. Cell phone camera making colors look like total shit.
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For anyone interested I found a seller on eBay named coretek10 selling 9 inch ikegami bvm's for just over $60 total. Mine came in yesterday and it's in fantastic condition and I'm very pleased with how it looks despite the size
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>>4721215
In my ideal setup, I would have my PVM and my 32" consumer XBR. It's too bad I don't have the space right now.
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>>4721215
I also went with a 36" consumer, but not an XBR. PVMs are just too expensive and small, if I want that look I can get it out of my VGA monitor.
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>>4721497
That's how I feel. Really half of the sharpness your getting from a PVM is due to the small size of the screen
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>>4721508
Well a good VGA monitor is probably upwards of 1000 TVL so running it in 240p is gonna look like a high end BVM
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>>4718551
>>4718521

Windowed mode is underrated. On a 21" PC monitor set to 640x480 the size of a a native 320x240 image is 14". Stick that right in the center of the screen and you've got extremely good convergence and geometry.
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>>4721530
>On a 21" PC monitor set to 640x480 the size of a a native 320x240 image is 14"
correction: 10.5". my mind slipped
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>>4697058
Is there a good place to see details/models of trinitrons and other crts?
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>>4721538
for as autistic of a hobby as /crt/ is you'd be surprised to find there is no wiki
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>>4721539
Yeah, I was hoping to find something like the thinkpad wiki

Oh well, just looking for a smaller tv to play wii emulators on. Seems like most people in my area are trying to get rid of 36" beasts that weight 200 pounds
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>>4721543
I'm in the same boat. Its hard to find a smaller crt that has something other than coax and rca inputs
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>>4721538
>>4721539
as you stick with the hobby you can kind of just eyeball shit. like a black chassis non-flat trinitron that isn't an xbr will go up to s-video while a silver wega is almost guaranteed component except a few niche cases like the 20" FS120 and a 13" model.
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>>4705150
noticing a tiny bit of warp in the picture on my budget flat screen phillips,
any way to sort it out
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>>4719813
>>4719801
Cool, guys. I always decided to never try because I had assumed specific codes were literally remote only. Like my 36 inch Sony that a 1 year older remote can't get into the service menu.
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>>4720165
At this point, if you really don't know, Scart should be in your mind as comparable to component (ypbpr) except component can go to far higher resolutions and was used far more recently.

Scart is a single port connector that can do audio and several video formats. It is best used by people in the US to connect to a scaler or scanline converter or similar to give you RGB quality connections without modifying. Since plenty of consoles support RGB scart with NO modification or a very small one.

Your best bet now is to invest in those hdretrovision cables for systems that support it. Then modify any other consoles to support ypbpr as well. I promise for as good as RGB scart looks, component is just as good and far more usable with less money/time invested as a US boy.
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>>4721701
You could start by being a heck of a lot more specific in your description of the issue
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>>4721726
99% of the codes you need will already be accessible via the my harmony system.

For the remaining seriously obscure stuff you can upload hex and Philips Pronto codes to Logitech and get them added that way. I needed to do that for certain Extron equipment and making a facsimile service remote for my Pioneer Kuro plasma.
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>>4721790
I had a 60 inch Kuro years ago. In 2012 that was the reason I bought the Harmony remote myself.

Then I dumped my Kuro and my 92 inch mitsu for a UHD LED and a 1080p projector. Now a OLED and uhd projector.
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>>4721523
I have a good range of sizes of consumer and pro crts as well as monitors. The look of a PC/OSSC/framemeister on a VGA monitor always looks too sharp (but not sharp in the general sense). Like the distance between colors is too close.

Not exactly a bad thing. Just that comparative to my pro crts over RGB they look off for older systems.
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>>4721543
Would absolutely recommend the Sony KV-14LM if you can find one. Mine has amazing everything and cost me nothing. 14".
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>>4721929
Try CRT shaders in RetroArch. You can fine tune the parameters to get the look you want.

As of late I find it rather amusing how I have graduated from emulating games on a CRT to emulating a variety of CRTs themselves by this method.
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>>4722113
Also, I meant on high res CRT monitors in that post.

I try to use the highest resolution a monitor supports and still has a stable, clean image with (some CRTs can hit 2048x1536, but it looks a bit dark and blurry, stick to 1600x1200 in that case). My logic to using high resolution is the higher the resolution the less the real scanlines generated by the CRT are apparent in the image, and therefore will not interfere with the presentation of software scanlines.

I am also not too up on the manner in which shaders are generated by the GPU, but I believe higher resolution should allow a more convincing set of special effects such as added phosphor glow if you choose to go that route.




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