Uh oh~!Aside from Fuwamoco, the new members haven't hit 1 million subscribers!The investor gods won't like this!2025 will be their turn with m a n a g e m e n t ~ !What a shame... These new girls are so vibrant and lively.Ah well, it can't be helped~
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>>91750537Trust the scouting team. Cover will bring in a new popular EN talent
>>91750537jesus christ dude, get a goddamn job
>>91750537
>>91750537If they won't do shit to the Holostars then they won't do anything to the Holo girls.
>>91750537>culling worst performing talents>justice and shiori goneI mean, where is the downside?
>>91750537Compare it to jp where older gens and management constantly promotes them everywhere. It's so dumb considering EN is their so called 'global expansion' and they don't even advertise or promote it.
>>91751641And then you've got the account that's supposed to be promoting them the most shilling the homos all the time instead.
>>91750792they should just hire a 4view already instead of untested twitch 2views
>>91750537Are you gay? Why do you write like a faggot?
>>91750537Happy that GG is slowly catching up to others.
>>91750537I have a hard time believing 1 million people can tolerate Bae
Compared to the most recent two waves of NijiEN, they seem to be doing fine.
>>91752959Almost as hard as believing that 3 people can tolerate you.
rrat: 1M subs is a requirement for "affiliate" status where the higher ups see your IP as valuable and keep it alive forever and generate money for you and the corpo. Fauna found out that she was not getting this when she decided to graduate and thats why shes mad.
>>91751951>What 1 million subs celebration? What outfit? Here's a repeated holostar announcement instead. Yeesh it's mostly the reason fans follow unofficial accounts for Hololive events or the talents themselves.
>>91751951Don't forget Ame's spelling bee where they conveniently 'forgot' until alot of people roasted the official account into posting about it A DAY after it happened.
>>91753628We don't know what benefit exactly is provided when a talent reaches 1M, but I'm positive it's something each girl HAS TO get under a time limit.Ever watched a holo do 1M marathon karaokes? They'll willingly destroy their throats singing for HOURS until that counter hits 1M+. Outside of 1M marathon karokes, you never see that degree of desperation from them EVER again.But think about it... They'd reach 1M anyway. So what the fuck was up with them?It's likely each Hololive girl is given a time limit to hit 1M. And it's heavily tied to company support/opportunities.
If Hololive has a million fans, then I am one of them.If Hololive has ten fans, then I am one of them.If Hololive has only one fan, then I am that fan.If Hololive has no fans, then that means I am no longer on Earth.If the world is against Hololive, then I am against the world.
>>91755573I thought 100k subs was the milestone?
>>91755573I kinda guessed they were gonna turn retarded about talent support when they became oddly fixated on subs only as a metric in their investors report.
>>91750845>implying this isn't his job
>>91750537If you were a good Number Monkey, you'd know Hololive is looking for consistent sub growth on a generational level, not individual subs, and not specific channel levels. Wanna know why? Because a fan of Nerissa will still probably buy merch with Bijou, or anyone else from the same gen; in the same vein though, they won't give a damn about Ina if they don't already watch her, because Ina doesn't interact with their Oshii. Hololive wants those merch sales about all else; as such, only the loss of interest in a whole gen will draw management attention.
>>91750537gigi fell off.
>>91753628regloss.
>>91755573>but I'm positive it's something each girl HAS TO get under a time limit.Aki hasnt hit 1 million in 6 years
>>91750537>Aside from FuwamocoYou have to divide their subs in half.
>>91756876Gigi has gained 8k subs so far in December. Cici on the other hand has only gained 5k so far this month.
>>91757229After all that inorganic shilling on 4chan and YouTube comment sections, huh.
>>91753284Didn't the Ryoma guy was in hiatus of I'm thinking about a JP one?
>>91757229post all the justice members gotta see who is likely to reach a mill first.
>>91757401>ShillingWhat? Because people said they like her and her content?
>>91757481Here are the other 2
>>91757481It'll probably be either Liz or Raora. Tough to call it since both are getting pretty popular these days. Liz at least streams during human hours for NA, while Raora's times are just awful for anyone on the western hemisphere.
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>>91757791It's kind of eerie when you realize a some of the new girls are probably intended as Myth and Council replacements (not to mention the Green Field Theory kek)Especially if the Dooby debut video graduation queue theory is actually right... >>91640949
>>91758698Doubtful. None of the girls fill any of the niches that were previously there, and Dooby loves multicolored stars so I doubt it means anything. (She even tried to make her fanbase into them, but walked it back when the fanbase didn't like it). The only one you could argue was being groomed to take someone's spot is FuwaMoco. They are CLEARLY being prepped to take Gura's spot as the face of EN with all of the promotions. I don't know if it'll work at this late stage, but they're definitely trying.
>>91758270I mean to be fair the point of Justice was pretty clearly to be a gen that mostly streamed outside of the NA peak hours the existing EN members mostly streamed in. That plus the "we just debuted a new gen less than a year ago" debuff (or the "it's been almost two fucking years" buff Advent got, to put it the other way) are the main reasons why they lag behind Advent to the extent that they do and probably entirely within Cover's expectations.
>>91759596I didn't say they're good replacements :PIf >>91640949 is correct, if Gura, Ina, Mumei, Kiara, or Mori communicate privately with Dooby, the theory has credibility. And why wouldn't they? She's Ame.>Dooby loves multicolored stars so I doubt it means anythingGreen, Blue, Yellow-orange, Orange, Pinkish orange? It's not even a pretty assortment if it wasn't a hint instead.Anyway, when they're gone, the new girls will fill the void, although not perfectly.
>>91760492Dooby also isn't the kind of person to do something like that, anyways. She's pretty simple.
>>91755573That's schizo nonsense. The girls do endurance streams to hit subscriber milestones because it's fun when the moment happens on stream (and maybe also because they get a bigger SC/gift membership spike when it happens on stream,) not because they're desperate to hit it- if there was some big incentive to hit it by a certain date you'd see more of the girls go harder on shit like streaming flavor-of-the-month games, shorts, or whatever the big Youtube algo meta of the moment was, not just do an endurance stream to hit the goal at most a few days earlier than they would by streaming normally.
>>91760660What about FWMC? They constantly talked about needing to hit 1m while also talking about how they wanted to be able to just enjoy their time in Holo
>>91760613Also the theory completely falls apart by implying Calli's in the alleged queue. If there's anyone in EN who's very obviously not leaving Holo any time soon, it's her.
>>91760779Fuwamoco really, really, really wanted a VN. They've been VN obsessed their whole lives.
>>91760857Except they literally said that the VN hasn't even been approved at all just their last stream.
>>91760888Well outside of that, it's probably sponsorship opportunities. There's a lot of sponsors who won't even look your way if you're below a certain sub count. Mint's said she's a bit sad that despite her high viewership, her low subcount cuts off some opportunities from her.
>>91760857And the 1M gifts clearly don't have any time limit tied to them, considering how many people have cashed them in that took *way* longer to hit 1M than the twins would have even if they hadn't put as much effort into getting there as they did.To the extent those two are focused on growing their channel quickly it's probably because they really want to do shit like sololives(duolives?) and other things that you don't really get to do until you hit the higher tiers of popularity, not because Cover's up their asses about getting number to a certain size by a certain date.
>>91760780>any time soonWell, she is the last one in the queue.>>91761273>things that you don't really get to do until you hit the higher tiers of popularity>not because Cover's up their asses about getting number to a certain size by a certain dateInteresting post... lol
>>91761552>Well, she is the last one in the queue.Yeah and by "any time soon" I mean "she obviously has absolutely no plans to graduate at any point in the foreseeable future" you illiterate idiot. Her entire fucking music career is tied up in Hololive, for fuck's sake.>>things that you don't really get to do until you hit the higher tiers of popularity>>not because Cover's up their asses about getting number to a certain size by a certain date>Interesting post... lolAgain, you're fucking illiterate. The original argument being responded to wasn't about the obvious fact that there are things like sololives that you can't do in Hololive until you reach a certain audience size, it was suggesting that there was some punishment the talents got if they didn't hit 1 million by a certain point. Two completely different fucking things.
>>91760888No homos No VN
>>91750537>the new members haven't hit 1 million subscribers!Neither has Aki. She's getting closer and closer though
>>91762238Whoa, calm down. Do you know what "illiterate" even means? All you said prior to your post is "any time soon", not 'never ever'. I can't read your mind, spergo.>it was suggesting that there was some punishment the talents got if they didn't hit 1 million by a certain pointInteresting. You actually don't think a talent missing out on additional opportunities and company support a punishment. I'm sure the talents do, though.
>>91750537Yeah Biboo and CC need to step up. But I believe
>>91755573I honestly believe it. Fauna and other girls joked about end of year evaluations, promotions, and glassdoor. It feels like they would like talents to hit 1 million by a certain year and if they don't, they'll be given notes on how to achieve it. Hell maybe this is why the yuri shipping happens is so they can boost their reach and subs. Maybe Fauna would be forced to change her complete content and character by management's "advice" because she didn't reach 1 million subs yet. Honestly, I would change the 1 mil sub as a dream and more of something mandatory. Expect more management bullshit if their goals aren't reached.Hell, maybe this is why Kronii got so feminized recently. Not because it was due to her own choice but management forced her, now she is raking in cash
>>91750537The GGCC numbers are wild. Is it because they don't have any JP appeal?
>>91752078they should hire me for holostars so i can be a sex pest and fuck all the girls
>>91756965im not gonna lie i feel bad but i forget aki exists like 90% of the time until someone mentions her
>>91750537fuwamoco is 2 girls in 1 aka 500k subs each
>>91768600Then how come it says 1.04 mil
>>91768646what is 500k x 2 LMAO u cant do math lol zoomers are rekt
>>91750537Where is Fauna?
>>91750537Who the fuck writes/talks like this?
>>91755573>I'm positive it's something each girl HAS TO get under a time limit.I think the 1m is of the unofficial seal of approval from management. Im willing to bet that Talents at 1m subs are getting preferential treatment.
>>91751020Retard
>>91767586They're the least exposed in Asia and their content is inaccessible compared to Art and Singing. So unless CC starts releasing music (which I doubt now that's why I unsubbed her 6 months in) or change schedules, they're probably the most western catering audience of EN
>>91767537>forced feminization of KroniiH-hot...
>>91770927Her debut cover also is the least viewed justice one, I have a feeling that its algorithm bs tho, since it autoplays when going to her channel, and people skip to the livetab
>>91750537>The investor gods won't like this!good thing they are not niji organ
>>91771128Love both of their personalities, and I watch GG from time to time. But being EU based without any other timezone coverage is a debuff to them overall. As somebody especially into the music side more, I was disappointed in the lack of music content that I ultimately watch ERB the most of Justice more than I planned to. Overall great gen, but I'm indifferent to them personally because of that.
>>91771327If only CC was willing to interchange streaming at morning and at night on a week, maybe she could have gotten a bit of the Asia coverage. The JP based members also do that for their american audience right?
>>91771442Just now she is doing her first rebroadcast, maybe that will help with asia coverage and subs a bit if she continues doing them
>>91760888That's why you have to hit the milestone early, it's been known already for years that the reward is a wish. It still takes time to cash in on that wish, it can take years given what we know of other wishes. If you thought their game was going to get launched the next day you're retarded.
>>91750537Why don't people subscibe to CC? She's so funny and hardworking.
>>91773683Services mainly 1 timeslot, no music + shorts, her clips are not performing that well
>>91771442She and GG do the same thing Kiara did to herself. Choosing not to stream at NA primetime in EN, even with the overlap, is asking for you to get lower subs. Their CCV is still fine, but it's pretty obvious by now that Cover gives no fucks about CCV and sub count + view count on music is the only metrics they reward you for.
>>91774580Euro bros were all talk
>>91773683I don't even get recommended clips from anyone in Justice apart from Raora, Justice is basically not even in my feed for the most part.
>>91774672Agreed, though for Liz she seems to be doing alright primarily streaming EU due to music which is easy to share in different contexts (ex memes, clips, etc.) and a bit of Asia timezone pandering. I feel like if GG moves between NA and EU she'll be fine, likewise CC, but if our German doll wants to stay EU centric, the only way I can see her get some stability is through her music aspect, which she should have done since she could have been the most unique music member right off the bat apart from Kobo. Hopefully her starting rebroadcasts this late could still work but idk man, doing it 6 months in with only a few JP eyes on you might make her struggle still.
>>91775261She also doesn't speak any Japanese, so Japs won't actually sub.
>>91775610ERB might say otherwise based on how many of them comment in her shorts, covers, and even community posts. Then again, she perfectly took to her JP attention effectively enough to take advantage of it intentionally or not
>>91774672>Choosing not to stream at NA primetime It's also, you know, around 2-4 in the morning in her time. Being basically forced to go nocturnal on a daily basis is a really bad choice to be making.
>>91775864ERB in general has a weird audience, I remember her explaining to rosarians atleast twice that gigi is part of her gen and what hololive is, when gigi commented in her chat.Either that was her hag autism at work or she has the analytics to prove that a sizeable part of her viewers are tourists
>>91776031Nobody said it wasn't a good or valid choice.
>>91776031I've been watching Kiara for 4 years almost purely via VoD, trust me I know that it's hard for the EU talents to do that.
>>91760888This nigga thinks the 1M sub wish works like Shenron.
>>91776065I occasionally go to her streams (mostly rebroadcasts) from what I understood, she just seems to want her audience to support her gen mates in case there are tourists in the chat
>>91776065>a sizeable part of her viewers are touristsIts quite likely, since most were from the FNAF gandom and le horse show. Rosarians are the most distilled version you can get of a holobrony.
>>91776065That's plausible I think. She's been pretty well known already in certain circles before hololive. Wouldn't be that crazy to assume some of the viewers in her stream see a chuuba for the very first time.
>>91776971She gets a lot of exposure for memes too, her Dancing Queen mash up with Rissa had a bunch of tourists from Instagram reels as well as other songs before they were taken down
>>91775130When it comes to clips it always wasRR>CC>GG>ERBlately GG is overtaking CC tho mainly due to fauna exposure aswell as various collabs. ERBs case is curious, as her kara covers dont seem to count as clips, and I think the clips guy seems to scrape for VOD origin to classify clips. Im completely in the dark as to how the methodology works so I could be completely wrong
>>91753284>B--b-but NijiImagine thinking this is some of own.>The absolute cream of the crop of in vtubing is doing better than bottom shitters from a dead branch.This makes Hololive look worse if anything.
>>91775130Skill issue. My home page is full of CC clips and I still watch them even though I have already seen all the streams they are from.
>>91750537If anyone gets cut for underperforming it’s gonna be the Homos and then the idiot who said let’s separate FLOPglow/ReGloss from Hololive
>>91778407I'm thinking ERB is getting similar treatment as Shiori from what I could understand. I don't think their humor or way of entertainment vibes well with the sense of humor of the general holo audience, because from what I've been informed by people I know who watch her, she's pretty entertaining as a performer and that's partially why people don't get tired of her, but like if doesn't vibe with clip watchers, then it's still useless.
>>91773511This is the most retarded shit because Gura couldn’t get her wishes to do anything she wanted to the point she only ever used 1, the nendo and they had it reimbursed because it sold out preorders X4 times. So miss me with this “muh wasn’t fast enough” shit
>>91760492Mori is in the process of creating a time capsule for her to open on stream in 2030, effectively confirming that she has at least a 10 year contract with UMJ. Any theory that involves Mori leaving can be disregarded immediately.
>>91778784ERB and shioris case is different. Shiori mainly nerfs herself through content choices and some people really dislike her voice, in collabs she is actually alright. ERB however in her karaokes manages to yap fine in her interjections and improvs in a fairly entertaining manner. Its in the rest of her solo content and the collabs plus her lackluster schedule that make her somewhat secluded from the holobox. She exudes awkwardness in most collabs and most of her humor doesnt vibe with the rest of the talents. The only good collab content Ive seen with her are the justice jams and moris holomelo radio which was really good. Even in 1v1 collabs with justice members its a little awkward which is a hard task with both CC and GG being top collabers in holo
>>91750537wtf happened to cecilia that gigi closed the gap with her
>>91780304The only gap we're speaking about here is that thigh gap below GG's spats and that shit better never close.
>>91750537Why did you remove Sana?
>>91780231From what I can gather, from her superchat readings, she seems to be from a very cultured background, like actual classically trained artistic family. The reason she doesn't vibe well fully is probably because she's the least exposed to online circles that isn't just artistic content creation and the sorts. That's probably why she vibes with Mori the most, not totally similar personality-wise but they connect with their passions for music and the arts. Surprisingly enough, she works well with FUWAMOCO, especially during ENreco. Their chemistry feels like Mom/Elder sister with the twins
>>91755573This is a completely retarded theory for numerous reasons.
>>91750537You type like a fag
>>91760888>Except they literally said that the VN hasn't even been approved at all just their last stream.Anon you're completely missing the point. The mere fact that they mentioned this means that they are trying to use their one million wish on a VN. Why are they doing that? Because they really fucking want a VN. That's the entire reason why they were pushing so hard for one million. They're most likely working out the details now because funding a full-fledged VN at the level of quality that they will want is likely beyond the scope of what a 1m wish can pull. They're probably trying to figure out how far the wish can get them and whether or not it's reasonable to fund the rest themselves but this is not something they'd be capable of calculating on their own(they're really fucking bad with numbers) so they're trying to get this figured out through management and we know how they work at a glacial pace.
>>91780678I havent checked out enreco at all maybe I should give it a look. As for mori I agree, the shared passion made the stream really enjoyable
>>91757229I thought CC was the one with most potential, is she too edgy for the average hololive fan?
>>91783574Shes really really popular on 4chan because she ticks every pickme box for the typical anon without it feeling forced, but others have already mentioned why her subgrowth is stalling already. On other platforms the discourse around her is noticeably more quiet
>>91750537From this pic Biboo is the only one who deserves 1mil
>>91776065ERB is casting her net wide for a western general audience angle, not just weeb gamers like every other EN talent. There were a lot of tourists from her Mint duet and Nerissa duet edit that got used in some fighter jet game meme, and she often appears in random vtuber karaokes so when they eventually redirect to her she has a generic marketing spiel of these are my genmates we are hololive ready.
>>91750537Ngl, I supported Raora only because I felt bad about her poor English and thought that she’d be the runt of her generation. Honestly surprised to see her doing so well, but I don’t think she deserves to be more popular than GG or CC desu
>>91785475Streams the most out of justice by far despite being in a garbage timeslot, sets up a ton of collabs, does covers, most member content. I'd say she deserves it due to committing to the grind the hardest
>>91785475Everyone deserves to be more popular than gg
>>91785475People who do things other than only gaming usually have a sub advantage. See Fauna being the sub runt of Promise
>>91785475Turns out that to be successful you just have to stream constantly and consistently. Crazy, isn't it?
>>91785475>Raora>the runtHow? She streams pretty consistently and does universally appealing content which has earned her a decently sized JP audience.
>>91789113>>91789113>and thought that she’d be the runt of her generation.>and thoughtRead nigga. Read.
>>91789167I did read. I'm still wondering how. The only thing that would make sense to me is if you thought this within the first few days but even pre-debut I thought she had one of the highest sub counts and her popularity was cemented very early on because her time slot and content had a relatively large JP following.
>>91785475Raora is based.
>>91790227So basically "justchads" is her fault?
>>91792198Yes. She put that one in the hat.
>>91757791>Liz has the most subs of Justice>does the least variety of content and it's mostly unarchived karaoke rebroadcastsI mean granted I dropped off the sub train somewhere round the summer, but still, I don't get it.
>>91792424I don't know why people are so surprised that karaoke, especially unarchived karaoke, gets you subs.
>>91792424Karaoke is universally appealing content and she's a great singer. What's hard to understand? Nerissa has fairly low stream hours, isn't good at games in general, doesn't really have much appeal and yet she's only behind FuwaMoco because she puts out a lot of music and music gets you subs.
>>91778609>Numbers are bad>The absolute cream of the crop of in vtubing The enemy is both strong and weak.
>>91790227God, Gigi is carrying this gen on her back
>>91783574Her sub growth is slow for the same reason Fauna's was slow too. I don't know why you are surprised.
>>91756325Steam gift cards don't buy groceries
>>91757481none of them will ever reach a million unless another Rona happens
>>91793269The problem is that it is stalling already 6 months in and pretty much at myth/promise level of sub growth which are nearly saturated. Extrapolating it 3 years out with the current rate (it will likely get lower over time) still doesnt look good, I do hope she turns it around with the subs because I like her
>>91781107>beyond the scope of what a 1m wish can pullWasn’t Aquas 1m wish for a vn? Granted she hit 1m in 2021 and the vn came out 2023, but I vaguely remember her saying the vn was from her wish.
>>91795657That most likely means she was paying a portion from her salary. We know Cover allows things like that.
>>91792198Can you really say 'fault' when it's funny?
>>91750537Elira lost
>>91795283It doesn't really matter how many months in is since the way youtube algorithm works now is different from when Myth and Promise debuted. In this new age of youtube if you want subs, you have to do content that the current youtube is willing to push to people. So if CC really wants subs she will have try doing other stuff besides just streaming games she likes playing. Maybe HoloEN Christmas party she is organizing might be one such thing. Organizing big collabs certainly helped GG some. We'll see.
>>91752078A 4view has literally no reason to join hololive unless they really want to be an idol, specifically.
>>91800247I didnt know the stuff about the algorithm, sounds interesting.She certainly has a knack for wacky la creatividad streams, the thing I would advise her to do tho is scheduling them in NA primetime, shes there far too infrequent. CC pls dont play a JRPG, that shit is boring af, the hugboxes will tell you to do it and end up not watching it 100%...
>>91785475Raora is the cutest in Justice because of her accent and deep fried voice
>>91755573>They'll willingly destroy their throats singing for HOURSnigga i sang in my car almost the entire duration of a 30hr roadtrip to keep my brain active and didnt even end up with a sore throat
>>91750537I'm noticing a pattern:>FWMO>Gura approved early >high subs>Nerissa and Biboo>Gura approved this year>median sub growth>Shiori>never Gura approved>low subs
>>91802005when did gura approve FWMC, Nerissa, or Biboo
>>91802005Source on any of this?
>>91801542why are you retarded holy shit? you should have your license revoked.
>>91801273NA primetime is like 2AM for CC so that's not really a thing she can do regularly. Not to mention there is already too much overlap during those hours. She already does many of her collabs at like 11PM or even midnight. Christmas part will be at midnight for her and she just did first karaoke rebroadcast in JP time. That's enough to make other timezone watchers get more chances to check her out. She should just try doing a few more covers. Some funny visual skits she loves to do could work as shorts too.
>>91805139Bro singing in your car is not especially dangerous. He's not dancing or doing a fucking crossword puzzle
>>91805808It is if you're singing to keep yourself awake and focused for 30 hours. At least have the decency to take some sort of amphetamine before you put other people at risk.
>>91805696Her sleepschedule is always getting clowned on by otomos and she always responds that it only matters that she sleeps, not when. My perception is that she is awake at these hours, but maybe she had a change of heart recently idk. Should unironically consider moving to NA, where she can get a normal sleep sched, keep her standard time and expand to NA prime time, she moved to norway before so its not like her first move
>>91750537but but...the hololive "training"...
>>91806546When she streams at night she is usually tired and low energy so it makes sense she avoids it even if she usually stays up late working on stuff. Moving to NA wouldn't fix her sleeping schedule long-term because she is the type that would still stay up late working on stuff. I know because I'm like that too.
>>91807754Hypothetically speaking, if she were to move to east coast NA that would put her regular timeslot to 3pm local, meaning if she'd wake up 1 or 2 hours pre stream that'd leave an 8 hour window if she slept at 5-6am
>>91750537They are doing good in comparison to the rest of the scene
>>91790227Kek
>>91802005Shiori> Didn't give a fuck about number in the first place.> Actually make fun of number monkey and doom poster
>>91750537Nerissa is the single most popular of her gen and each dog on its own is less popular than Shiori.
>>91751020Shiori has more subscribers than Mococo.
Fuwamoco have 80% deadsubs
>>91750537Flopvent and JUSTice were a mistake
