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The other liberty thread is too moderate and patriotic to the USA. Gimme your Ancap wallpapers, aesthetic ones would be best. Just put anything in here. I am desperate for these.
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to get this going a bit
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>>7287212
bout the time for a thread like that
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>>7287212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgyhB5n2QXM
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>>7287380
ever read about john dolittle's propertarianism? Hoppe's further definition of the NAP as natural law? thought so
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>>7287509
he's called Curt Doolittle
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>>7287252
>he's actually retarded enough to think that companies won't and don't already spy on him to nearly the same extent as the ebil gubment
What's it like having the mental capacity of a fucking gerbil?
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>>7289624
companies are subject to & are at the expense of much more volatility than the state
so the state poses as much more of a threat than companies
also, its the selling of information gathered by companies to the state which makes corporate spying such a dangerous issue, remove the state from this equation and the situation is much more defused
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>>7289624
While I don't like the idea of major corporations doing it, their capability to do it is largely funded by government institutions, and I'm far less concerned about companies monitoring me for ad data than I am about government monitoring me so they can kick in my door at 4 in the morning and kill me and my dog over the suspicion of having a bag of dried plant matter.
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Is anarcho-capitalism the edgiest ideology ever? Corporations operate under the blind pursuit of profit, and without the state to regulate them your snake will just be trodden upon by faceless undemocratic entities who do not even don the facade of being for the public good.
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>>7287380
>a cult of horrible people with the most infantile understanding of economics
is it really that deplorable to not want 20 something percent of my money to feed people who don't work / to help people that i don't even know without my consent?
and is it really that deplorable to want to be able to smoke weed and do heroin legally in the safety of my own house where it doesn't hurt anyone else?
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>>7289752
>undemocratic
Vote with your dollar retard. Have you not been paying attention to the news? One bad press story is all it takes to get companies to change their tune, Amazon is raising wages, Wal-Mart and McDonalds already hire at well above the national minimum. That guy that got beat up by the airline? Next day their was a public apology. How's the police brutality problem going the US has been dealing with for decades now? Reading rainbow received the funding it needed in to be back on the air in under 48 hours but got destroyed again because of ass backwards federal copyright laws. Government is an outdated communications technology and you think you still need them because you probably spent 13 years in a public indoctrination center being told you needed them.

>>7289757
>is it really that deplorable to not want 20 something percent of my money to feed people who don't work / to help people that i don't even know without my consent?
Even this is overly idealistic. The average American give around 40% of their income to the government in some way or another and a lot of that goes towards bombing brown children.
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>>7289785
Voting with your dollar only works when there's not a monopoly, and I'd like to hear how you would prevent monopolies/oligopolies, corporate trusts and price fixing, and predatory practices such as what we've seen by Nestle with baby formula in Africa and Monsanto in South Asia without government regulation. The reason why these companies are able to run amok are because the governments in these countries are not as stringent in their regulation.

And aside from those things, "voting with your dollar" just means that rich people have a lot more "votes" than you or me, which doesn't sound very democratic--more oligarchic.
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>>7289787
Nestle has run amok because several governments have given them nigh unlimited access to municipal water supplies and subsidized their general infrastructure. THis same stupid "buh muh monopolies" argument comes out every fucking time when:

A. Monopolies exist currently, so your proposed solution of government doesn't work.
and
B. Every huge corporation with a toe hold on a market currently is heavily subsidized on some level or another.

Most people with extreme wealth don't even have a valid claim to their assets under most ancap interpretations of private property, but you wouldn't know that, because you took on look at the whole thing and said "DUH FREE MARKET BAD, REGAN SUCKED"
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>>7289795
Who says I like the current system of governance? I'm an advocate of dismantling corporations and abolishing private property as a solution.
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>>7289839
yeah, let me know how that works out hippy. I will never understand why commies like you think that "well there's any empty house for rent we should put a homeless person in there." If there's no incentive to build the house, it doesn't get built to be empty in the first place.
Without capital incentives, key industries that improve everyone's lives instantly go under. Life saving medications can't be made without test volunteers and plasma donors, are you going to take experimental drugs for free? I've done it before and the only reason I even considered it is because the pay is extremely good. That's how I got my bathroom redone last year. Who's going to clean the septic tanks? Are you volunteering? No. You're probably some faggot artist that can't sell your anime prints at conventions so you want to do them "for the good of society."
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>>7289849
One wonders whether it matters if a house was built if there's no one living in it.

I'm sure there can be some other kind of way to sway people to take experimental drugs; perhaps, if their medication isn't working, people who are looking for an alternative could try out the new drugs. The way it works right now is that poor people are guinea pigs for medications that they'll never be able to afford once it's put to market, which is morally repugnant and just plain sad.

And as for septic tanks, I'm sure there will be someone willing to do it if the benefits are good. Maybe septic tank cleaners only need to work half the hours of a normal profession or something like that.
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>>7289839
>I'm an advocate of dismantling corporations and abolishing private property as a solution.
i'm a very peaceful person in general but i genuinely hope anything bad that can happen to you does happen to you
people like you do not deserve life
also i dont have any ancap papes, but here is an anti-commie pape
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>>7289929
>I'm sure there can be some other kind of way to sway people to take experimental drugs
Like forcing them on political opponents.

>medications that they'll never be able to afford
This is due more to backwards copyright and patent laws than anything else and an overwhelming majority of ancaps believe intellectual property is a bullshit concept

> I'm sure there will be someone willing to do it if the benefits are good
You can even be bothered to post wallpapers in a wallpaper thread to justify your shitty political opinions. What makes you think people will just volunteer to train and work in shithole cleaning? Who decides those hours? What about the myriad of other undesirable tasks? Your solution is "just make them work less" because that sounds like a budding class system. Sound like someone needs to brush up on the labor theory of value, or just graduate high school.
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>>7289839
>abolishing private property
By all means, try to take it.
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>>7290115
This.
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>>7290115
>>7290320
Yeah, that's the point of revolution, however it's also worth noting that private property arises due to the material conditions which allow it to arise; once these conditions are changed (and you're dead) then the conditions for private property no longer exist, in the same way that private property (understood in the sense Socialists use the word) didn't exist in the past either.

>>7289849
>Who's going to clean the septic tanks? Are you volunteering? No.
I imagine I would be in a society in which I had a lot more free time to pursue creative endeavors. In the same way, you seem to be saying that a system in which people are forced at threat of starvation to do "dirty" things like that is a good one. I don't see how that makes much sense.

>You're probably some faggot artist that can't sell your anime prints at conventions so you want to do them "for the good of society."
That was oddly specific.

>>7290048
>This is due more to backwards copyright and patent laws
It's also due to the fact that the machinery to make such medication is limited to people with extremely high amounts of capital for it anyway.

>What makes you think people will just volunteer to train and work in shithole cleaning?
The changed nature of labour in a society in which labour is unforced. Most people like to have jobs, and this has been proven empirically time and time again.

>Who decides those hours?
Society.

>Sound like someone needs to brush up on the labor theory of value
The law of value does not operate under a Socialist society.
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i would just post a shitton of loli bc the meme but i dont have that shit on my hard drive
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>>7287354
fixed that 4 (((You)))

- t. big guy
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>>7290930
inb4 not true communism
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>>7287257
>believing this
NS opposed conservatism and liberalism, communism and capitalism
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>>7287257
Nazis were leftists.
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>>7291559
AnTiFa iS ThE ReAl FaCiStS
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>>7287259
>ancap thread
>posts a pic of left anarchists' conflict with police

the absolute state of the right lel
you can't make this shit up
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Someone should physically remove the commies out of this thread
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>>7287212
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>>7291499
NS was socialist, you dumb ass. Dont come to threads where youre going to disagree with the people in it so you can post dumb shit instead of actually contributing
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>>7287272
>>7287275
>>7287277
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>>7291869
>NS was socialist
Believing this even though you are literate.
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>>7290394
not the other guy, but this may very well be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this website. It shows just enough effort to probably not be bait, but absolutely 0 intelligence.

>I imagine I would be in a society in which I had a lot more free time to pursue creative endeavors

do you consider cleaning septic tanks a creative endeavor? if not i fail to see how you even came close to answering his question

>It's also due to the fact that the machinery to make such medication is limited to people with extremely high amounts of capital for it anyway.

translation: expensive shit can only be afforded by people with a lot of money. Congratulations you figured it out.

then you really amp up the stupid

>The changed nature of labour in a society in which labour is unforced. Most people like to have jobs, and this has been proven empirically time and time again

your argument is literally that people will be bored and thus work. society will never be able to function on people working for funzies.

>who decides those hours? society

but i thought labour would be unforced? so either the hours are whatever each individual wants them to be (for most people 0) or the labor will be forced in some way
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>>7292109
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
>11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
Top lel
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>>7292183
>>11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
Thinking this is socialist. Maybe you aren't literate.

"Nazism rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with social classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction."
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Anti-communism

I'd say give reading a go, but it seems that'd be asking for too much.
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>>7292201
>thinking this is socialist
>The three major forms of unearned income based on property ownership are rent, received from the ownership of natural resources; interest, received by virtue of owning financial assets; and profit, received from the ownership of capital equipment.
Abolation of such sounds pretty socialist to me

Nazism being against class communism doesn't contradict them being socialist
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>>7291649
AnTiFa CaNnoT Be FaScIsT TheIr NamE Is LiTeRaLLY AnTi FaScIsT
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wew baby fucker thread here we go
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>>7292420
>Abolation of such sounds pretty socialist to me
It might be good for some lower-class people, but it's not inherently socialist as it has nothing to do with the abolition of class or the redistribution of the means of production.

>Nazism being against class communism doesn't contradict them being socialist

If we look at Marxist socialism, it does, as Marxist socialism is the road to communism - a classless, stateless, moneyless society. Even outside of a Marxist view, the fact they did nothing to bring about worker ownership of the means of production shows they are not socialist, as that is the crux of socialism.
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>>7292545
>AnTiFa CaNnoT Be FaScIsT TheIr NamE Is LiTeRaLLY AnTi FaScIsT

>NaZiS WeRe SoCiaLisT. National SOCIALIST

Pick one.
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>>7292656
Antifa uses same methods fascists used, nazis had socialist policies in place

Whats the problem?
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>>7292103
those "S"s freak me out cause of the nazis
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>>7292723
>disbanded unions and put their leaders in concentration camps
>privatise parts of the government
>kill of the leftist wing of your party

Still get called socialist
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>>7292751
How is this different from the democrats?
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>>7291485
not true communism, sorry lad
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>>7293696
it never is.
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>>7291559
no
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>>7292153
Holy rape haha
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This thread needs more ancap shit. We've gotten too distracted arguing with commie morons.
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>>7293699
Fusk this dubs man !!
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>>7287212
Mm yes good goy, buy more products, you show them commies!
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>>7287212
>>7287212
Aren't libertarians more communistic/anarchistic? I guess those are opposing ideologies in a way if you consider communist to be Stalinistic or Maoistic
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>>7294442
to be fair oligarchies are the most stable form of government, so I can see why ancaps are in favour of them.
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>>7287212
ITT we show we're autistic
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>>7287259
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>>7287212
Fresh OC for your meme ideology.
>>7294486
Actual anarchism focuses around the abolition of unjust, coercive hierarchies. A just hierarchy would be if I didn't know how to make shoes, so I went to a shoemaker and listened to him because that nigger knows shoes and I sure as hell don't. Most anarchists (even ancaps) argue that the state doesn't know what the hell is best for each person and relies on violence and should be abolished. Ancaps become a full on meme ideology, however, when they assume that those who hold capital won't just create a defacto state to protect their shit. Instead of communal use of resources (see: pre-feudal societies), it would be in the best business interest sense to privately hold these resources and sell them back to the populous, not to mention the tons of other contradictions that capitalism already has. It ends up being less "Homage to Catalonia" and more "Somalian Pirates We".
Also, as a minor note, you get a ton more anarcho-communists that hate Stalin/Mao than you do Ancaps that hate, for example, Bolsonaro or Pinoshit.
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>>7292723
Capitalists/NeoLiberals also have done this (Pinochet, for example)

Ideology is far more than just if you're willing to fight.
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>>7294743
You're literally posting a political ideology, and one that makes the fash look not as dumb by comparison. You're retarded.
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Your ideology is a fucking farce.
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>>7287312
>Believes Stiner would q be not laughing at both
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>>7292751
>The classic "not real X" argument
Nazis had mainly socialist ideas, mixed with some of their own. Antifa employs a lot of tactics that the early fascists used in, for example, the Weimar Republic.

You are being intellectually dishonest, mainly to yourself. You know better.
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>>7294859
>>7294893

Quit same homoing and move the fuck on, nerd.
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>girls with guns
MUH FUCKING DICK
I wish I have a gf like that in the future,
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>>7291559
just no
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>>7292504
Nice.
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>>7287257
Proud Boy here, I'll have you know we've beat the shit outta more Racists/Nazi's at our own rallies than Antifa ever has.
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>>7296365
[X] Doubt
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the only acceptable kind of Libertarianism
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>>7289785
> One bad press story is all it takes to get companies to change their tune
And that's all they do, change their tune to something that pacifies that masses or bores the media. Amazon raised it's wages and will bring them back down once you forget about the controversy. Walmart and McDonalds are...Hiring people? Above some arbitrary level? An airline beats the shit out of some guy, sends him to the hospital but that's okay the next day they say sorry in public. These corporations have made a science of manipulating the masses, the fact that there are retards like you think that because they occasionally say sorry after the finish fucking society these privately owned independent international monopolistic megacorporations are democratic is proof of that.
>le murica bombs brown babies meme
>this company said sorry after beating a man therefore they are better than police
>government exists for the sake of education and civilization would be fine without them
The fact that you consider schools indoctrination centers reveals an awful lot more about you and your thought processes that you probably think.
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>>7291505
ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL*

*excluding the ones that rule that state and control the taxes
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>>7291505
>and leave infinitely worse and unearned inequality in our wake
t-thanks
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ancaps are the dumbest people ever. Capitalism necessitates a state and is antithetical to liberty as it must have an oppressed underclass majority
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>>7297743
>excluding the ones that rule that state and control the taxes

capitalists
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>>7287213
i made this, so fucking proud to see it circulating

>leftists turn a wallpaper thread into a shit throwing match
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>>7298018
Also looking for this.
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>>7298020
You do know who you’re talking about right?

Just look at the genesis of the Left, the French Revolution, how they turn decent beginnings into throwing shit everywhere and anywhere.
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can we get some more subtle ones
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>>7292729
you must have a hard time with norse runes and lightning bolts






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